This is really cool and you have some serious knowledge about stuff, but, you know, a winder do not have to be this complicated, after all, its just a matter of getting the desired amount of winds on the bobbin and of course spread out even on the bobbin, it takes just a few minutes to do this and no one can be that busy to not have time to spend it while making a pickup, after studying your plans of this machine I realise that if something fail then its possible to spend many hours trying to get it working properly again. That will not happen with a really simple winder, or some of the most traditional DIY winders that people are building. I dont want to hassle with a complicated winder that contains many brackets, and screws and 3D printed parts, and possible hundreds of different washers and pulleys and things.. I just want to wind bobbins. i really appreciate all the knowledge you share on your RUclips channel and you build absolutely fantastic guitars, people like you are important. Thanks. 👍
@@HighlineGuitars I totally agree with that, and that's the reason why I have watched this video several times, because its interesting.. it also shows someone that are willing to put it the time it takes to get the machine working properly, which is a journey for sure.. :D
I eagerly await the new plans. I purchased the current plans but have not had a chance to build it yet. In the meantime, I have been experimenting with different winding setups of my own and I too have a box full of reject/experimental pickups. The biggest challenge I am working on now is a way to hold the bobbin that is easy to mount/dismount and allows for consistency. Good work Chris, thanks for posting.
I got real busy and quit watching about 4 months ago. You've been putting out some great videos in that time. I will mos def be building your winder. If you are finished in time with the software and updated design cool. If not I'll use your current design and then update later. Thanks for all your efforts
This is such a cool idea. Once the plans are ready I will definitely be purchasing them. I really hope we can get to a point where everyone is sharing their pickup plans. With this done with cnc you could really make something repeatable and easily shareable. I’ve also been contemplating trying to make a Pcm board pickup. I’ve seen a couple people start it online, but would be really cool as pvc because I could cut it on my cnc and also share great pickup sounds with others. I love the “Maker Movement”
6:56 ever have one fly off? I did once when I first started making pickups. I always wonder when it will happen again. They seem to be stuck pretty good. I use glue and tape
@@HighlineGuitars yeah they do get a little heavy. I have a clanping system on my machine, I still use tape and glue lol. Its just so much easier. I would never use double sided tape. I never even tried double sided tape. I dont know of any that I would trust to stay stuck. That idea makes me real nervous. The only ones thay really ever worry me worry are tele bobbins.
Cool project/experiment. I haven't seen the other pickup videos you made. It could be useful down the line to include parameters for Magnet types, Gauss, etc., so pickups could be dialed in at a Boutique level of specificity.
That would definitely be an "attract mode" for a guitar show. Just let it run on slow speed (so you don't have to attend it so often) it would definitely sell some pickups on that day.
How about this well let me first say how much I appreciate all the knowledge you share okay your winder let's say like you made that template that held a particular bobbin style what if you 3D printed a receiver like that for each of the different bobbin and styles that you have or will use. And then had just a couple of locating pegs to keep the bobbin from slipping on the mounting plate that would eliminate sticky tape any type of gel or material other than a solid surface that would also eliminate any movement of the bobbin I'm sure you wouldn't have to 3D print them but you would find someone I'm sure that would give your readers in their plans when they purchase them the codes in order to have them make their own receivers hopefully this is helpful continue the good work
I have been using a spongy 2 sided tape with good success for bobbins without holes. for resistance calculation - what function are you using? Are you adding the 2 radii to the rectangle?
The resistance calculation might be best approached as a machine learning issue. The scatter problem may not be solved by testing equations.But, every finished bobbin is data. If a bunch of users of your plans record variables and measure outcomes. Enough data will predict the correct settings for the desired outcome. Lofty idea, but it's possible.
Regarding the math for calculating the resistance - think of it this way: For a typical Strat single coil bobbin can be divided into two half circles and a rectangle. Or, you have a circle and a recrangle. The length of the recrangle is constant, the circumference of the circle is going to increase as more wire is wound onto the bobbin. When you compensate for the fill factor, you take the length of the rectangle * 2 + circumference of circle(L), where L represents the number of layers on the bobbin. You will have to calculate the circumference of the circle for each layer. You need to know the initial diameter of the round part of the bobbin and then increase it with the diameter of the coil wire for each layer. This will only be an approximation of course, but maybe it will bring the result closer to reality.
I'm on mobile now, so I cannot write formulas, but look into what an arithmetic series is. If you take the formula for calculating the sum of the first N elements, and change it a bit to include the length of the recnangle's sides, you wil end up with a quadratic equation that will give you the number of N layers you need to get exactly R resistance. If the equation has two solutions then one will most likely be negative, so you can ignore that.
I would imagone the simplest thing to do would create a number of pickups with a given number of rotations for a specific winding type and test to see if you can get a consistent resistance. Eithe that or brush up on you calculus.
Please don't mind someone adding a comment. Since resistance is a function of the length of the wire, can't you measure how much wire is consumed in the winding and that tells you the resistance? Of course, that adds a new problem of measuring the length of wire passing through the winder.
Hi Chris, I bought the package. Is it possible to have the software in mm instead of in inch. It’s more usable in Europe. Keep up the good work. Best regards, Marc
Not sure yet. However, it will cost more as the CNC approach is much more sophisticated and requires a manual for assembly and another for use. There's also a software component as well.
Ohm calculator: Wouldn't it be the same using the circumference for a bobbin and the oblong pickup bobbin? Isn't it just circumference X bobbin height. Because the OHM cal is a very cool software feature. I'd also guess that the quality/consistency of the wire would have a big effect too. Thanks as always for the great information, enlightening.
This is really cool and you have some serious knowledge about stuff, but, you know, a winder do not have to be this complicated, after all, its just a matter of getting the desired amount of winds on the bobbin and of course spread out even on the bobbin, it takes just a few minutes to do this and no one can be that busy to not have time to spend it while making a pickup, after studying your plans of this machine I realise that if something fail then its possible to spend many hours trying to get it working properly again. That will not happen with a really simple winder, or some of the most traditional DIY winders that people are building. I dont want to hassle with a complicated winder that contains many brackets, and screws and 3D printed parts, and possible hundreds of different washers and pulleys and things.. I just want to wind bobbins. i really appreciate all the knowledge you share on your RUclips channel and you build absolutely fantastic guitars, people like you are important. Thanks. 👍
I agree. However, this is RUclips and RUclips needs interesting content.
@@HighlineGuitars I totally agree with that, and that's the reason why I have watched this video several times, because its interesting.. it also shows someone that are willing to put it the time it takes to get the machine working properly, which is a journey for sure.. :D
I eagerly await the new plans. I purchased the current plans but have not had a chance to build it yet. In the meantime, I have been experimenting with different winding setups of my own and I too have a box full of reject/experimental pickups. The biggest challenge I am working on now is a way to hold the bobbin that is easy to mount/dismount and allows for consistency. Good work Chris, thanks for posting.
Absolutely Fabulous! I bought your winder plans and built it and it works amazingly well already. I can’t wait to try out this new design!
....Looking to purchase a coil winder asap (September 2022), I think I'm going go with this action myself.
I got real busy and quit watching about 4 months ago.
You've been putting out some great videos in that time.
I will mos def be building your winder. If you are finished in time with the software and updated design cool. If not I'll use your current design and then update later.
Thanks for all your efforts
Awesome update Chris! Can’t wait to get these plans!
This is such a cool idea. Once the plans are ready I will definitely be purchasing them.
I really hope we can get to a point where everyone is sharing their pickup plans. With this done with cnc you could really make something repeatable and easily shareable.
I’ve also been contemplating trying to make a Pcm board pickup. I’ve seen a couple people start it online, but would be really cool as pvc because I could cut it on my cnc and also share great pickup sounds with others.
I love the “Maker Movement”
Thanks for the update, looking forward to the release.
Excelent Job!!!! "el Diablo esta en los Detalles" I will waiting for the final plans.
So jealous with your equipment man! Gotta get one soon! It may take some fine tuning, but the effort is all worth it
6:56 ever have one fly off? I did once when I first started making pickups. I always wonder when it will happen again. They seem to be stuck pretty good. I use glue and tape
A couple of times. I was always nervous when I wanted to wind a bobbin with a lot of turns of thicker wire. The mini live center solved that problem.
@@HighlineGuitars yeah they do get a little heavy. I have a clanping system on my machine, I still use tape and glue lol. Its just so much easier. I would never use double sided tape. I never even tried double sided tape. I dont know of any that I would trust to stay stuck. That idea makes me real nervous. The only ones thay really ever worry me worry are tele bobbins.
I wonder if the Sestos could send a signal to stop the g-code when the number of turns has been met?
Cool project/experiment. I haven't seen the other pickup videos you made. It could be useful down the line to include parameters for Magnet types, Gauss, etc., so pickups could be dialed in at a Boutique level of specificity.
That would definitely be an "attract mode" for a guitar show. Just let it run on slow speed (so you don't have to attend it so often) it would definitely sell some pickups on that day.
That is an absolutely amazing machine. I am very interested in the wire tensioning device. Where can one find such a device online? Thank you so much!
Aliexpress.
How about this well let me first say how much I appreciate all the knowledge you share okay your winder let's say like you made that template that held a particular bobbin style what if you 3D printed a receiver like that for each of the different bobbin and styles that you have or will use. And then had just a couple of locating pegs to keep the bobbin from slipping on the mounting plate that would eliminate sticky tape any type of gel or material other than a solid surface that would also eliminate any movement of the bobbin I'm sure you wouldn't have to 3D print them but you would find someone I'm sure that would give your readers in their plans when they purchase them the codes in order to have them make their own receivers hopefully this is helpful continue the good work
I have been using a spongy 2 sided tape with good success for bobbins without holes. for resistance calculation - what function are you using? Are you adding the 2 radii to the rectangle?
The resistance calculation might be best approached as a machine learning issue.
The scatter problem may not be solved by testing equations.But, every finished bobbin is data. If a bunch of users of your plans record variables and measure outcomes. Enough data will predict the correct settings for the desired outcome.
Lofty idea, but it's possible.
Regarding the math for calculating the resistance - think of it this way:
For a typical Strat single coil bobbin can be divided into two half circles and a rectangle.
Or, you have a circle and a recrangle. The length of the recrangle is constant, the circumference of the circle is going to increase as more wire is wound onto the bobbin.
When you compensate for the fill factor, you take the length of the rectangle * 2 + circumference of circle(L), where L represents the number of layers on the bobbin.
You will have to calculate the circumference of the circle for each layer.
You need to know the initial diameter of the round part of the bobbin and then increase it with the diameter of the coil wire for each layer.
This will only be an approximation of course, but maybe it will bring the result closer to reality.
I'm on mobile now, so I cannot write formulas, but look into what an arithmetic series is.
If you take the formula for calculating the sum of the first N elements, and change it a bit to include the length of the recnangle's sides, you wil end up with a quadratic equation that will give you the number of N layers you need to get exactly R resistance.
If the equation has two solutions then one will most likely be negative, so you can ignore that.
I would imagone the simplest thing to do would create a number of pickups with a given number of rotations for a specific winding type and test to see if you can get a consistent resistance. Eithe that or brush up on you calculus.
That’s what I did. It doesn’t work because of scatter.
Please don't mind someone adding a comment. Since resistance is a function of the length of the wire, can't you measure how much wire is consumed in the winding and that tells you the resistance? Of course, that adds a new problem of measuring the length of wire passing through the winder.
I think you just answered your own question.
Hi! Awesome work! Where can i buy the plans for this?
chris its looking good count me in on the purchase of the plans could you share on where you purchased the tensioner
It's the MT-01
www.aliexpress.com/item/4000343843593.html?spm=a2g0o.9042311.0.0.3ddb4c4dpTmnYt
Hi Chris, I bought the package. Is it possible to have the software in mm instead of in inch. It’s more usable in Europe. Keep up the good work. Best regards, Marc
Sorry, but no.
Is there away for you to set the scatter pattern to a 3,5,7 prime number pattern?
No.
@@HighlineGuitars k
So, how much more will it cost? I paid 20.00 for the drawings already. Thanks
Not sure yet. However, it will cost more as the CNC approach is much more sophisticated and requires a manual for assembly and another for use. There's also a software component as well.
Great video Chris!
question: where do you buy humbucker kits?
thank you!
I usually purchase from CE Distribution.
Also, any chance you will release the source code for the g-code software in case someone wants to change the patterns?
No. You can open the program in a Python editing program like PyCharm and edit it.
@@HighlineGuitars nice! Thanks.
Can you verify that this works? I am unable to get the .exe file to open.
I am wondering if there is a way to add a ramp to the motor speed as there is a tension jolt when the program starts and the wire snaps.
@@swampfoot1971 yes, it works.
your fill factor should be calculated by or adjusted by weight
That's one way to do it. I tried and ran into too many issues with consistency. Sometimes what sounds good on paper, fails in practice.
@@HighlineGuitars you could also try adjusting the spindle rpm to reduce the whip in the wire
@@kevintrick159 that’s what the tensioner does.
Ohm calculator: Wouldn't it be the same using the circumference for a bobbin and the oblong pickup bobbin? Isn't it just circumference X bobbin height. Because the OHM cal is a very cool software feature. I'd also guess that the quality/consistency of the wire would have a big effect too. Thanks as always for the great information, enlightening.
It’s way more complicated than that. You have to calculate fill factor, which doesn’t work where scatter is involved.
Love this idea. Maybe an email list for alerting people when it's ready??