Good video. The Skeeter loads goes 840 fps from a 3 inch barrel and the Keith loads goes 985 fps. A good Bulldog practice load is a cowboy 200 gr cast RNFP and the start load for AA#2.
Keith developed his heavy .44 Special load in Colt Single Action revolvers (among others). I would not be worried about shooting it in the New Vaquero or the new Flat Top .44 Special Blackhawks - except maybe for the recoil.
I will be picking up a "Bulldog" soon as a replacement for one I owned way back in 1976. Back then I carried that revolver as backup to my department issued .38Spl. I had also just started handloading and felt that King Elmer was the man! So, I utilized one of his favorite .44Spl loads in my Charter Arms. That went well until I took the revolver and a bunch of handloads (255grn "Keith Style" LSWCHPs) over a dose of Unique powder (I will not share the grain loading) to our department range. While the revolver suffered no damage that I could ever find, I realized the Charter was WAY too lightweight for the loading. So, I decided I would fire off the balance of the reloads in my Ruger Super Blackhawk in .44 Magnum with a 7.5" barrel. And the results were? A fireball even larger than the one I had seen come out of the 3" barrel of the Bulldog and the recoil, even in the far heavier Ruger, was amazing to say the least! I promptly retired that loading and reduced the powder charge which resulted in excellent accuracy out of both revolvers. By the way, the heavy loading was kind of scary accuracy wise out to 75 yards out of the Ruger and 50 out of the Charter Arms. And by accurate I mean easy center mass hits when utilizing a two handed "cup and saucer" hold from either revolver and the expansion of the 255grn LSWCHPs was awesome!
Thanks. I probably shouldn't make them public before it bumps up to 4K, but I go ahead and make the low resolution public while it's processing. I've been leaving in a little more side dialog, banter, etc... very lately. I figured it might help the viewer see more reality in what I'm doing. It's all unscripted, steam of consciousness, and full of holes...so it might as well look that way.
I'm of the opinion that 44 special is and always will be the 45 auto to anyone who strictly purchases a 44 mag. I have a soft spot for 44 & 45 calibers....my preference but it is what it is. Just like big holes in my targets is all. Still my favorite channel....take care brother!👍
@@plowboysghostdon't know what to say kid I have been subbed to your channel for ever and just found out I was unsubbed if you did it fine if not I'm pissed I've been shooting And reloading my entire life still am not a big fan of lead bullets in Anything prefer jacketed in everything I shoot even the old.45 Colt and I've got half a dozen of them but I don't ever buy a.38spcl or a.44spcl I make sure it's the magnum and I know as well as you do that I can shoot the hot house specials in them lotta dumb people out there dude that will blow up a gun in there face cause they seen it on a video 😢🤧🤷
Thanks for this video, Mr. Plowboy. Wish I had meet you before I bought my first handgun back in the early 1990s. You could have helped me better understand the articles On Elmer Keith and Skeeter Skelton ammo loads. I'd probably have learned to reload my own ammo. Since seeing your videos regarding ammo, I would have bought some different guns and not traded some that I owned. LOL Take Care. Also I liked that 1911 you were packing in the video. Those grips looked really good!
Back in the very early '90s I didn't know anything about Skeeter or Elmer Keith. I was into my Ruger P85 9mm, Beretta 92FS, and by the end of '93, a Glock Model 22. In those days, I kept Norinco AK's as well as a Marlin 336 30/30.
Pearce listed the Ruger Flattop to tier 3. I will say that when loaded to the Keith load it has a bark and bite and its velocity is almost identical to store shelf 44 mag. Loaded with the MP 640 hp mold it makes for an excellent low end tier 2 load that would be good for short range deer load.
@@g.r.odenbach6541 They aren't, as far as I know... I can assure you that I don't delete any comments, other than those that REALLY have it coming for being clearly belligerent, posting truly racist stuff, threatening stuff (a serious threat against someone or some place will get more than just deleted...I won't stand for victimization of ANYone, whether I like them or not). I personally have replied to some comments only to see those replies non-existant, so I wonder what's glitching sometimes, myself. Anywho..thanks for watching and for commenting.
@@quentinjackson3778There are .44 Special loads that won't be too bad. That 250+ gr Keith bullet, even over merely 7.0 gr of Universal, bucks a little bit in it, though. I really can't say how it would compare to a .45 auto in a gun I've never handled or shot.
I wonder if you can point me in the right direction. I have a uberti Cimarron Arms thunderer in 44 spl. It has a 4.75" bbl. I'm trying to find out what maximum pressure is for the weapon. I'm working on a load and want to avoid problems. I'm not really satisfied with the "cowboy" loads.
You loading the hot .44 spc loads in magnum brass? how are you keeping the hot loads separated as to not blow the bulldog's mind? I got that RCBS 44-250KT mold but haven't gotten around to running it yet...Thank ya for the info! rated
Nope. I use Special brass for Specials...otherwise they're just light loaded Magnums. Neither of the loads I load for .44 Sp. will blow up a current production Bulldog, but that 7.5 gr Universal/250 gr Keith bullet load might be hard on it over a long time of steady shooting. Your KT mold is a little different than my 44-250K mold.. castboolits.gunloads.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=298683&d=1649273638&thumb=1
Ain't that the truth...! I did have all those "what if's" on my mind that day, thinking on what animals I really didn't want to have to shoot off my wife, kids, and grandkids with a pocket gun...since there was a "no guns" sign up and concealment was a must.
@plowboysghost yeah, I agree. It's crazy that these people are so dumb. they think a sigh will Deter a mass shooter. This person is already ok with Committing one of the worst crimes of murder. But then draw a line at breaking this law of bringing a gun to a gun free zone.
I'm also a detractor when it comes to these pew pew free zones, admittedly... But I guess it just is what it is. I too feel the same way about this right - as must (secretly) some others... I mean, we're not children; all adults - especially - should be comfortable with firearms, imo.
@@snappers_antique_firearms ..and I literally meant an actual ZOO..with animal enclosures, in Nashville. That's where one of my Granddaughters wanted her birthday party to be. (Just in case anyone reading this thought I was slyly referring to the city as a "zoo". Cities are jungles... 😁)
@@carlosmorris4510 Except for when I go into the courthouse once every few years...I am armed EVERYWHERE I go, no matter what some deluded idiot or insidious authoritarian thinks and posts signs demanding. Attempting to forbid would be victims from being able to defend themselves from the predators who don't care about such sign-nonsense is an affront to sanity...and possibly a crime against humanity when they threaten said good people who don't render themselves helpless with imprisonment or death for non-compliance and non submission to stupidity.
I don’t shoot .44 but I do like listening to your videos about revolvers. So 👍🏻
Thank you.
I am on vacation, just seen the same handgun you are speaking about with stock rubber grips. It has a 4 inch barrel for $385.00.
Good video.
The Skeeter loads goes 840 fps from a 3 inch barrel and the Keith loads goes 985 fps.
A good Bulldog practice load is a cowboy 200 gr cast RNFP and the start load for
AA#2.
Keith developed his heavy .44 Special load in Colt Single Action revolvers (among others). I would not be worried about shooting it in the New Vaquero or the new Flat Top .44 Special Blackhawks - except maybe for the recoil.
I will be picking up a "Bulldog" soon as a replacement for one I owned way back in 1976. Back then I carried that revolver as backup to my department issued .38Spl. I had also just started handloading and felt that King Elmer was the man! So, I utilized one of his favorite .44Spl loads in my Charter Arms. That went well until I took the revolver and a bunch of handloads (255grn "Keith Style" LSWCHPs) over a dose of Unique powder (I will not share the grain loading) to our department range. While the revolver suffered no damage that I could ever find, I realized the Charter was WAY too lightweight for the loading. So, I decided I would fire off the balance of the reloads in my Ruger Super Blackhawk in .44 Magnum with a 7.5" barrel. And the results were? A fireball even larger than the one I had seen come out of the 3" barrel of the Bulldog and the recoil, even in the far heavier Ruger, was amazing to say the least! I promptly retired that loading and reduced the powder charge which resulted in excellent accuracy out of both revolvers. By the way, the heavy loading was kind of scary accuracy wise out to 75 yards out of the Ruger and 50 out of the Charter Arms. And by accurate I mean easy center mass hits when utilizing a two handed "cup and saucer" hold from either revolver and the expansion of the 255grn LSWCHPs was awesome!
The Bulldog is an awesome gun, in my opinion. It fill a big bore-pocket gun niche that no other can for me, so it's one I will never part with.
Thank you very much. This was very informative and entertaining. By the way, the quality of your videos is going through the roof!
Thanks. I probably shouldn't make them public before it bumps up to 4K, but I go ahead and make the low resolution public while it's processing.
I've been leaving in a little more side dialog, banter, etc... very lately. I figured it might help the viewer see more reality in what I'm doing. It's all unscripted, steam of consciousness, and full of holes...so it might as well look that way.
Great video! The universal powder that you're talking about is actually universal clays, correct?
I'm of the opinion that 44 special is and always will be the 45 auto to anyone who strictly purchases a 44 mag. I have a soft spot for 44 & 45 calibers....my preference but it is what it is. Just like big holes in my targets is all. Still my favorite channel....take care brother!👍
I feel the same way. Thanks, brother!
@@plowboysghostdon't know what to say kid I have been subbed to your channel for ever and just found out I was unsubbed if you did it fine if not I'm pissed I've been shooting And reloading my entire life still am not a big fan of lead bullets in Anything prefer jacketed in everything I shoot even the old.45 Colt and I've got half a dozen of them but I don't ever buy a.38spcl or a.44spcl I make sure it's the magnum and I know as well as you do that I can shoot the hot house specials in them lotta dumb people out there dude that will blow up a gun in there face cause they seen it on a video 😢🤧🤷
@@Jeff-sl8xz I can guarantee you that I had nothing to do with any such. I don't even know if I can unsubscribe people.
@@plowboysghost just a heads up it's all good brother just you tube being Democrats I reckon
@@Jeff-sl8xz Wouldn't surprise me. I value my subscribers more than RUclips does.
When Trail Boss powder was available I used it quite often for lighter loads for my 41 and 44 magnums. TB is hard to find now.
Great video!!
I sure like the 44 Special!
I have just about the same loads as you.
I’ve had trouble finding those Gold Dots though.
Great work!
I haven't seen Gold Dots for loading in a long time, myself. I loaded these before the last scarcity.
Great video buddy always been a fan of the 44 specoal
Thanks, my friend.
Excellent and informative video Sir. Thank you.
Thank you.
Thanks for this video, Mr. Plowboy. Wish I had meet you before I bought my first handgun back in the early 1990s. You could have helped me better understand the articles On Elmer Keith and Skeeter Skelton ammo loads. I'd probably have learned to reload my own ammo. Since seeing your videos regarding ammo, I would have bought some different guns and not traded some that I owned. LOL Take Care. Also I liked that 1911 you were packing in the video. Those grips looked really good!
Back in the very early '90s I didn't know anything about Skeeter or Elmer Keith. I was into my Ruger P85 9mm, Beretta 92FS, and by the end of '93, a Glock Model 22.
In those days, I kept Norinco AK's as well as a Marlin 336 30/30.
Thank you sir very informative
Thank YOU 🍻
Pearce listed the Ruger Flattop to tier 3. I will say that when loaded to the Keith load it has a bark and bite and its velocity is almost identical to store shelf 44 mag. Loaded with the MP 640 hp mold it makes for an excellent low end tier 2 load that would be good for short range deer load.
I knew that Keith .4 Special load was cooking.
Thanks for the heads up on the flattop Ruger.!
My load for 44 spl I use in my Uberti 4 3/4" SAA is a 250 grain SWC using AA#5 soo... similar to both unique and universal It runs right at 800 fps.
Sounds like a winner
Great video.
Why are my comments being deleted?
They were harmless, non offensive.
Thank you.
@@g.r.odenbach6541 They aren't, as far as I know... I can assure you that I don't delete any comments, other than those that REALLY have it coming for being clearly belligerent, posting truly racist stuff, threatening stuff (a serious threat against someone or some place will get more than just deleted...I won't stand for victimization of ANYone, whether I like them or not).
I personally have replied to some comments only to see those replies non-existant, so I wonder what's glitching sometimes, myself.
Anywho..thanks for watching and for commenting.
Damn Redhawks are up over 1000 bucks now. Damn Democrats!
I heard that 44 special kicks like a mule
It bounces a little in the Bulldog, but it's really comfortable in most loadings, compared to the Magnum.
@@plowboysghost the only reason I asked was that I'm thinking about getting one but I don't have great strength to my grip
@@plowboysghost I have the shield in 45 ACP and I'm fine with it so if it's more than a 45 ACP I might think 🤔 twice
@@quentinjackson3778There are .44 Special loads that won't be too bad. That 250+ gr Keith bullet, even over merely 7.0 gr of Universal, bucks a little bit in it, though.
I really can't say how it would compare to a .45 auto in a gun I've never handled or shot.
@@plowboysghost thanks
Specials are... Well... Special.
👍👍!!!
Thanks 👍
I wonder if you can point me in the right direction. I have a uberti Cimarron Arms thunderer in 44 spl. It has a 4.75" bbl. I'm trying to find out what maximum pressure is for the weapon. I'm working on a load and want to avoid problems. I'm not really satisfied with the "cowboy" loads.
You loading the hot .44 spc loads in magnum brass? how are you keeping the hot loads separated as to not blow the bulldog's mind? I got that RCBS 44-250KT mold but haven't gotten around to running it yet...Thank ya for the info!
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Nope. I use Special brass for Specials...otherwise they're just light loaded Magnums.
Neither of the loads I load for .44 Sp. will blow up a current production Bulldog, but that 7.5 gr Universal/250 gr Keith bullet load might be hard on it over a long time of steady shooting.
Your KT mold is a little different than my 44-250K mold.. castboolits.gunloads.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=298683&d=1649273638&thumb=1
Lol for going to the zoo. The sad part it feels like they want to trap us all in a zoo.
Ain't that the truth...! I did have all those "what if's" on my mind that day, thinking on what animals I really didn't want to have to shoot off my wife, kids, and grandkids with a pocket gun...since there was a "no guns" sign up and concealment was a must.
@plowboysghost yeah, I agree. It's crazy that these people are so dumb. they think a sigh will Deter a mass shooter. This person is already ok with Committing one of the worst crimes of murder. But then draw a line at breaking this law of bringing a gun to a gun free zone.
I'm also a detractor when it comes to these pew pew free zones, admittedly... But I guess it just is what it is. I too feel the same way about this right - as must (secretly) some others... I mean, we're not children; all adults - especially - should be comfortable with firearms, imo.
@@snappers_antique_firearms ..and I literally meant an actual ZOO..with animal enclosures, in Nashville. That's where one of my Granddaughters wanted her birthday party to be.
(Just in case anyone reading this thought I was slyly referring to the city as a "zoo". Cities are jungles... 😁)
@@carlosmorris4510 Except for when I go into the courthouse once every few years...I am armed EVERYWHERE I go, no matter what some deluded idiot or insidious authoritarian thinks and posts signs demanding.
Attempting to forbid would be victims from being able to defend themselves from the predators who don't care about such sign-nonsense is an affront to sanity...and possibly a crime against humanity when they threaten said good people who don't render themselves helpless with imprisonment or death for non-compliance and non submission to stupidity.
Nice! Are you interested in reviewing our tactical gear?
I'd need to see the gear. Got a link to your site/ store?
I just found your link on your channel. Will look it over.