There used to be banter between old rivals. Bragging rights when your team wins. Now Liverpool are passed bragging about beating Utd. They seem to feel sorry for Utd and miss having good competitive games with their long time rivals.
Great insight. The expectation is to just run roughshod over Man Utd without too much extra effort. "Back in the day" the celebrations would have been passionate bc you you knew you earned it with energy, sweat, and blood.
"We lost 5 nil to Liverpool at Old Trafford. We lost 4 nil to Liverpool the next time we faced them, AT ANFIELD. Thats a 20% improvement on our defensive game and that shows we're on the right track to getting back to the top again" - Harry Maguire (Probably)
all us United fans have no explanation anymore, we just sigh and accept it. The club is rotten to the core and full of overpaid flops who do not care about the club and only care about the money. The old days of United are long gone! Only good thing to see last night was the Liverpool fans pay respect to Ronaldo, huge respect for that.
I genuinely believe if Liverpool really wanted to, these recent head to head games could've been 8-0 wins or something like that. It's got to the point where Klopp has shown pity for the biggest rivals, that's not even fun anymore beating them it's just sad
Klopp wasn't even celebrating, winning again this team means nothing. They're done even trying, hope that changes, they're a great club with a lot of history.
@@TheRugbyClubHQ what, just because they've provided funding for signings? Yeah, and you can guarantee they've got a fair influence on those signings. Their attitude towards the club centres around the Manchester United brand on a global scale, at the expense of the football, which has fallen by the wayside. The fact that that goon Woodward has retained the backing of the owners encapsulates everything that's wrong, along with the PR stunt of Ronald's return, and allowing Pogba to run down his contract. A lack of strategy, ability to make the biggest decisions around recruitment, no vision for the future, and a lack of respect for the fans while everything is falling apart makes for bad ownership. But hey-ho, they can always pull out of the club and leave the club saddled with debt...
how many talented instagram idol/video game athletes Man Utd need to axe before they can bring in Haag prefered players? Haag will not be able to work out what he wants to with half of these undetermine, unfocus players…
Us Liverpool fans hated him & Keane as players, but as pundits, I'm always in awe of how they don't mince their words because they love their former club and are proud to have worn the jersey. Both deserves a lot of respect especially for holding people accountable.
Everyone forgets to mention the biggest loss to Man U , THE REFEREES, no longer can Man U rely on the REFEREES, eg ball 2m over the goal line being ruled not crossing the line.......... surely that loss of REFEREES is going have a demoralising effect on Man U players and club
Jose was the best manager they could have had but people like Gary drove him away saying he made the place toxic. He only said things that now after 4 years all of us are seeing was true
Jose was a good manager even though an unlikeable one. United messed up when they sacked him because he publicly said that the board didn't back him in the transfer market. Shame. It was the players who needed sacking.
I love how everytime they face man united Liverpool celebrates their goals like Pre season friendlies. They barely run and celebrate they just smile. High 5 and slowly walk back to the other half . It's almost like " We're not that low to actually celebrate that"
Gary is absolutely spot on here. All these grand introductions of signings is the club saying the player is bigger than the manager already. We need to get back to the manager being the HEAD of the club and players want to play for the manager. Too much player power at United.
@Jay_A. That has always been the United way. Never the slightest interest as to whether the player will help the squad, just the headlines with the subtext ''just look who United can afford!''.
I think that started with Rooney's monster contract under Moyes after criticizing the club and its lack of ambition. The wages on some of these players doesn't fit their talent.
Neville can't talk with much authority. He over hypes Ole's achievements, under rates Mourhino's achievements and acts like Ole didn't leave club that was annihilated by Liverpool, City, Watford and was shipping goals charitably.
Neville’s point is redundant. Have they spent enough money or not? Clearly the answer to that question is yes. So the issue is recruitment. Souness is spot on
United have spent the most on transfers than any other club and they also have the highest salary bill in the premier league. They are the world's most valuable club maybe only second to Real Madrid. United have tons of money. Money isn't the issue, it's over-paying for mediocre players ie recruitment. Bbbut Greame, Greame, Greame.
As a Liverpool fan I’m realising that even some of our crappest banter teams down the years were never this easy to beat. Man Utd home and away this season have been our 2 easiest games this season. Even Norwich came to Anfield and made it harder than Man Utd did.
Can managers turn things around ? Sure they can. Take Klopp at Liverpool, Jose and Carlo at Madrid. But like Keane said in an interview, " coaching is a delight when you have the right players. But if you have rotten players it's the worst place you can be " and these players are rotten as hell. Maguires statement proves it " well if I'm not a good player why am I starting every game " cos the rest are worst than you dummy. They should have backed Jose, given these players a kick on their back side.
Jose was toxic, as he was at Chelsea and left the place a shambles. So bad that we got a nostalgia manager who didn't coach the team for three years. And these players weren't "rotten" until they had Jose and Ole.
I thought they were worse in the 2019/20 season. However, they've spent quite a lot of money since. The Amad Diallo deal is mind-boggling. 17m up front, which could double if he actually makes it, and he can't get in the Rangers side.
Hype, United buy players from media hype, Bruno, pogba, maguire, Ronaldo etc all were bought from fan hype people where comparing maguire to van djik for crying out loud it’s honestly disgusting how bad United are run and I’m loving every second of it
Having followed Liverpool since 91' I waited and waited while United won everything while we were miles away. I thought I'd love hammering United but it's sort of....sad, they aren't just bad, they are rotten.
for me , its the players . i think carra is r8 . no matter who the manager is , giving 100% is a must for any player in any club . if u cant give everything , the manager must make him sit out but at man u , the players have more command over the manager and it is shocking
As a Liverpool fan I feel the same, as a kid United battered us, won everything.. I dreamed of a day that the tables would be reversed but I don't feel anything when we beat them these days it just doesn't seem legit, this Manchester team is a joke. No fight. It's like beating someone up who has a disability, it's a low move. But United will someday be back so I guess we should enjoy this moment as we may also fall. A lot can change in 5, 10, 15 years..
People keep saying that Manchester United are going through the same phase Liverpool were when they were finishing mid table. That's just wrong, Liverpool at that time never had as much talent as Manchester United does now nor the spending power. Liverpool lacked depth in every position and struggled with high profile departures. Yet each Liverpool player played with heart and passion even though their performances were below par and that's the major difference.
@@bharathsf Exactly, while you're worried about this, they're like: "Our dividends for this quarter look promising, but it can be improved on. Any ideas?"
I really like Mane as a number 9, and he seems to have found his confidence lately, his passing and link up play when he drops deep is actually really good and he looks comfortable there
@@jeffery8792 you think the glazers are good because your a Liverpool fan did you not hear Neville’s response 😂 ofc the glazers have brutally destroyed the club thank god they’re leaving soon.
Say it again Jack. I get that he was your mate but he also played a part in what we are seeing from United today! It'll be a good 4/5 years before they win a big trophy again at least.
When has he never said alot about the current crop of players and owners? Are you actually living in cuckoo land hes never stopped moaning and he doesn't criticise managers. Everything he said here is spot on so I find it bizarre when people attack Gary when he's just a proper red who clearly is going through the same as us.
It's always been about recruitment, Grahame is right and I have been saying this for years. Utd's recruitment has been poor compared to their closest competitors. That has always been the main problem and it began while Fergie was in charge.
@@samwize28 Yeh but what football knowledge does any owner really have to make these appointments?? The glazers were owners when utd were successful too, now they're not its the glazers fault even though they've spent more than any other club yeh do me a favour, neville just cant handle what's happened to his team while at the same time liverpool and city going in the opposite direction
@@gooonaboy8895 The glazers were owners when Utd were successful because they didn't appoint anyone. The Utd backroom staff (SAF, Gill, Scouting staff, coaches etc) were all already in place. Plus 80% of that 2008 Utd side was signed prior to 2005. So that point is absolute garbage. All the glazers needed to do in 2014 was appoint an experienced technical director, do you not agree? Instead, not only did they appoint Woodward (who has no CV), but they kept him in power for over 6 years. Why would they do this, if they are so competent and caring as people make them out to be? So both of your points absolutely destroyed there without even trying. Take the L and walk away. Key stage 1 ball IQ is embarrassing. Oh, and i havnt even touched on the debt they brought to the club, the dividends, the stadium, the facilities, the super league, the lack of attending games/setting foot in manchester....
@@samwize28 You wouldn't care about any of that if you were successful on the pitch though and the owners have given you more money to do that than even city... just seems rich to have these "outrageous" owners that back you more than any other in the league
Coming second last year was a total fluke. Liverpool have two more points now, with six games to go, than United had at the end of last season. Qualifying for the Champions League might have been the worst thing that could happen, because it allowed the Glazers to do nothing and encouraged waste of space "superstars" to stay.
It certainly wasn't. Ole did a good job over those 2 years but the club went to fast. Ronaldo, Sancho, varane and all that pressure was too much for a young side and manager and they crumbled.
@Atheism is the Truth And Chelsea had a manager change mid season and were still only a couple wins away from leveling united's points. Realistically without the turmoil those two clubs had utd could have come 4th...
@@ksg7882 signing managers is way less commercially profitable than signing a player, and that’s how united is now, just commercial. Signing Jose was a big deal but they didn’t put as much emphasis on it as for example signing Sanchez. as Gary said: they hype around big players and then they can’t deliver to the expectations united have put on them
What gary said was on point.. they focus on great introduction players.. but in the end the managers cant even use them.. it’s pointless and waste of money.. its like buying 1000 dollars boots but you cant even play football.. it doesnt make you any better… they changed couple of managers over the course of few seasons.. it were all going back to square one.. they keep this up.. its gonna rot the club.. its just getting worse and worse.. what they can do is (if the owner have guts to do it) pick one world class manager.. and let him build his squad.. like liverpool.. players aside.. klopp been building his team for pass few season.. and look at them now.. one of the best team in the world.. from top four club.. to champions club.. all the trophies.. they could bag them all the way the team is playing now.. and they spend less than man city and still plays a great football everytime.. it sucks how i love man u deep in the bottom of my heart.. its painful to watch every game and yet i watch it anyway.. just to see a slight magic or miracles that can happen.. it feels good watching winning games.. but apparently man U is just too broken.. and broke our heart and faith in the club.. its so sad.. so damn sad..
We failed to see Mourinho’s warnings back then and now we’re reaping the rewards. We always shielded the players blaming the managers but now it’s clearly evident who’s at fault. If the new manager comes in and tries to manage these guys, he’ll be seeing the exit door faster than he thinks. It’s truly shambolic and depressing what’s happening to this team. I don’t even expect anything anymore from this team and yet they still disappoint me.
Im not even a man utd fan, and even i cant believe how man utd have become. Keeping ole at the helm for 2 years too long only masked over their problems.
Truth is Man United wasn't always good...they had Howard and Sir Alex bullying everyone...now that those two aren't around anymore we are seeing the REAL Man United
Arsenal deserve some respect. Youngest team and manager in the league with a very thin squad they’ve been good this season. Just struggling with injuries now
Arsenal are having a better season than us tbh. They have a direction at the club and more of an identity than the nonsense that we have. They're also already rebuilding whilst we still have to start yet another rebuild since Ole failed.
I have nothing against Harry Maguire! but I’ve never been more grateful to have Henderson as our captain, he deserves more appreciation right now!! Could not have a captain that calls hand ball on their team mate tho 🤣🤣 bless him
Hendo isn't called the Captain's Captain of the entire Prem for nothing. He's the pride, passion, and the beating heart of this current LFC. Will be devo'd when he goes💔
Liverpool went through the same thing. Just like Liverpool finishing 2nd in 2008-09 and in 2013-14 they were still far from Prem-league-champion material. Utd finishing 2nd meant little in the end; the improvement wasn't lasting. When Liverpool finished 2nd in 2008-09 the ensuing final positions were 7, 6, 8, 7, then 2nd, followed by 6, 8, then 4, 4 and 2 and then 1st. There is too much competition for quick fixes. Liverpool thought the title was waiting for them, every season since 1989-90, but it wasn't. You have to earn it and that often means scraping into the top 4 for a few seasons. We the fans expect too much. The old Utd is long gone so blasting your own team will make things worse. Accept your team as they are and give them time. Don't expect big-money buys all the time because that will not solve the problem, it will make it last longer and expectation will put undue pressure on your team. We Liverpool fans took some 20 years to realise that _this season will be our season_ was laughable to all non-Liverpool fans. And to Ronaldo, YNWA.
You have a point with 2013-14, Suarez almost won the title by himself. The 2008-09 Liverpool team was a solid squad that had been consistent over a number of years and was finally good enough to mount a title challenge, not a flash in the pan like the title challenge 5 years later.
I'm a lifelong Chelsea fan but the state of Man United is quite upsetting at the moment. We had some great matches against them over the years and its sad to know those times seem to have gone. I don't know how this will be fixed, a complete overhaul?!
when Gary said about managers being the central figure at the club it is one of the principles of management in football which utd under saf showed to the whole world what difference a manager can make if you give him the appropriate authority. It is one of the things which were learned by other clubs taking utd as an example and ironically enough utd have abandoned their own principle.
Remember when the pundits parroted the nonsense that Thiago slows Liverpool down or that Klopp's methods bring injuries? Liverpool have never looked fitter and Thiago has never looked better.
I keep having a moan about Liverpool's defence giving up too many one on ones. But you just have to trust Klopp he is genius, made for Liverpool, what a squad he has put together. Fantastic.
@@stevemartin7798 as a Newcastle fan I think Klopp is the best manager in the world, purely because of what he has done on a fraction of the budget that City had.
@@johneastwood3039 that’s true but the managers aren’t getting the signings they want they’re getting their 5th choice so no wonder recruitment has been poor when managers can’t bring in players they want or offload players, that is the board’s fault
@@James-bd1ew The reason we can't offload players is because nobody wants to pay their wages. When people sign for Man utd they sign on big wages and then when they flop we're stuck with them. Too many bad signings, but that's the fault of whoever is buying the players.
The problem is simple, the care for the club is missing, the passion to play for an United jersey and give it your all is missing. Thats it. No matter how big or great you are, if you have no passion for the place you work for, you can't bring your best.
I can relate where these legends are coming from......it's different when to play with determination and lose(acceptable).....no determination,no passion, they need hungry players not players who feel they've achieved all
The thing is man United keep being the glazers when there losing but when they were giving them money to sign players like Maguire, Sancho, pogba, Ronaldo for big money they were not complaining them
In fairness to Souness he didn’t stick up for them he just said that some people (mainly Neville) assign too much blame to just them when there’s other issues as well
@@vicmackey4606 Yes, they've pumped money through thick and thins of the club, but you're forgetting that they are making the recruitment decisions, not the managers. They should buy players that fit their system, sadly they don't have a system and are doing inshallah. Glazers are always about bringing big names such as Sancho, Haaland, Mbappe, etc. They should focus on building the system first with the right manager. Ole wasn't that bad. They need to bring in high work rate and motivated players just like Cavani and Bruno. They had a huge impact last season, now all that is gone and those two have lost their confidence. That's why everything is falling apart at ManU. As a Liverpool fan it makes me happy, but tbh this is not how a top tier club should be run and I feel bad for the fans.
@@vicmackey4606 "Giving" money? The club generates that money itself. All that leeches do is take money out. Nothing more. They've saddled the club with hundreds of millions of pounds of their debt.
Ten Hag is gonna absolutely tank his reputation by going to United. Theres no glory to be won there, only disappointment. Hell, United may be the bigger franchise, but Ajax is currently the bigger team. If it were up to me i'd have Ten Hag stay at Ajax, be almost guarenteed to win trophies and play CL, and eventually a better club than United will come knocking on the door.
hell its a high risk but insanely highly rewarding decision for him to join. imagine being the manager that brought Englands best ever club back to the top... plus the money.
@@ItzAngeles Money isn't really a factor i think. Ten Hag comes from a wealthy family in the Netherlands so high wages isn't as important as it would be to other managers. And will the pay-off would indeed be massive if he does perform well with United, the chance of that happening is just insanely small if you look at what happened to all other managers since Ferguson.
ye im thinking the same. If i were him I would wait a couple years for a better club than united. The thing is, he will probably earn 10 times more at united than he does at ajax, hard to say no to that.
Honestly i feel like i should feel at least a bit sorry seeing UTD down this bad, but i’m absolutely loving every second of it. Long may it continue, hopefully my kids will one day be able to enjoy it alongside me
I take it you're a liverpool fan. Have to say when liverpool feel from being to club and utd took over to spot it was the sweetest feeling, similar to what your saying. The difference between both teams was Liverpool still took pride in playing for the fans, club and Jersey. This united team is worse I've ever seen. United fan for 49 years now
@@mmaenthusiast7605 hopefully in the 2030s-40s the new top 5 is like Bristol Rovers, Gateshead, Hereford F.C.. Newport County & Notts County. Just a totally different landscape. Been 30 years of the same Prem clubs taking the top spots...
Gary Neville spot on and more passion in his big toe for Man Utd than any player there right now. I am not a Man United supporter, but like his passion for his former club.
Fernandes, Maguire & co: Play for 90 minutes and show no hunger, desire and fighting spirit. Hannibal: Plays for 5 minutes and earns the respect of a lot of United fans by showing what the senior boys couldn’t.
Honestly, I would rather they have just put the Red Devils U23 squad on the pitch at Anfield. They would have lost by a lot of goals, but we would have seen players who were there to play hard.
Gary is FINALLY admitting that the players are to blame, i.e. they have been abandoning manager after manager when the going gets tough. As a Liverpool fan, this pattern of behaviour is a disgrace.
Am an arsenal fan ,but garry nevile is absolutely right, the ayers have been elevated so much when they haven't done anything so far to achieve that..there was no desire ,no fighting spirit in their game yesterday.
Rashford's eyes and body language during the match says all you need to know about Man U's mentality going into these games and the team feeling on the pitch.
Liverpool fan since the 70s and I can safely say I've never seen a United team like that. Even when we were winning leagues and European Cups back then, they always gave us a game, famously spoiling our treble hopes in '77 when they beat us in the FA Cup final. In the 80s, when we we were really on top we always knew the United fixtures would be tough, the biggest margin of victory was 2 goals and that happened ONCE in the entire decade. I mean, I love beating this lot but to see a team collapse like this is sad. No self respect.
Here in the Dutch Papers we are also saying that ten Hag is making a mistake. He should stay at Ajax until Pep leaves to take over Man City. We all know he is doomed to fail at Man united.
Money talks sadly, he’ll be offered triple what he’s on at Ajax with promises of bringing certain players in and they’ll bullshit him about training ground plans etc just to get him in. Another thing you have to remember is, these managers get paid their contract no matter how badly they do, it’s unbelievable. His missus will be in his ear saying take the job coz the worst that can happen is it doesn’t work out and you get a massive lump sum payment and still have job offers after it. Then his ego will say, I can make a difference.
I believe Ten Hag is making an educated bet, he's backing his skills. Here's why, if you follow Pep at Man City, ultimately Pep will get half the credit, it was his work that ensured your success, and let's be frank you are catering to Man Cities 25 fans, and if you fail with that squad, budget and infrastructure your career is all but over. But at Man Utd you have a shot at immortality.. tens of millions of fans worldwide will scream your name if bring back success to us and it will be all you... and everyone will blame the board if you fail. He's backing himself.
@@stevecharles4498 lol he might back himself, but at the moment he has full control at Ajax in who goes out, who comes in and what not more. I don't see that happening at Man United. As an Arsenal fan I must say Man city doesn't have 25 fans anymore, each year upon year I see small children or teenagers walking around in their kits and not in man United or Arsenal. No in PSG, man city or Real Madrid kits. Only older fans still support the arsenal's or the man United. (globally not local) I think if he succeeds at Man city then he continues peps legacy and on it self is hard to do as well.
interesting what Gary said about Old Trafford and the training ground, I went to both in the early-mid 90s my dad was a man united fan, both were by far the best in England, Old Trafford was better than Wembley which okay was falling down, but nowhere else was even close in terms of facilities, they set the standard for everyone else. By the sounds of it the Glazers just stopped when they took up the reigns and all the other clubs have caught up and passed them by, seems like a metaphor for the football too. Before Klopp Liverpool's recruitment was similar, people forget they spent loads but didn't get anywhere. It's the culture at man united if you are there you will be paid more and that's about it, there is no hunger to do the hard stuff for success. They should introduce a cap-like man city did with their recruitment of players and get ones that actually want to play and win as opposed to those that are just there for the inflated salary.
I think the most important factor for the terrible performance is the injury to the HARDWORKING PLAYERS like fred, mcctominay, cavani. These players usual game is to delegate their defensive duty to these players, and then participate only when it is not too much of trouble. Their absence has exposed the real work rate of all of them. I don’t think the defence is the problem either. It seems that way because the 6 upfront never does their job, and it is much more difficult to play a 4 vs 10 in a big pitch. Usually it is 6 v 10 when mc-fred plays. Logically, manager tried to add one more defensive player to station back, but that didn’t work. The way forward is to play those players who show some spirit. - telles mcguire lindelof dalot Matic - 2 academy players who can throw themselves to the ground ( for mcfred) Elanga bruno/mata sancho
I said about 4-5 years ago that if Liverpool sort their defense out and continue to play they way they are, then there is no reason they cant become one of the best clubs in the world and win both Prem/UCL, also said that I'd much rather Milner in Utd than Pogba at the same time and got ridiculed. Who's laughing now ey
As a Liverpool fan watching Graeme Souness talking about poor recruitment, there is certainly an irony there Edit: just remembered Ali Dia too, lol I was just thinking about his liverpool track record but he got worse!
Very true, and he actually sold prime assets too in Beardsley and Houghton but he also brought Robbie Fowler through. He was no great manager and he admits himself he made many mistakes which he regrets but you can't take away what a player he was. You'd struggle to name another midfielder you'd pick over him in his prime. Keane? Gerrard? Scholes? If you see any Liverpool best XI picks of all time, it is usually Sounness and Gerrard in the middle. Amazing player. Won everything at club level.
@@jscobie4 As a player he's a legend. But as a Manger he has a abysmal record. Liverpool transition would have been smoother if they had appointed Roy Evans right after dalglish left instead of sourness.
@@UnashamedlyGodSquad Absolutely. Before klopp I guess Houllier and Benitez were great managers for liverpool. Roy Evans would have been on that list except his team's never won many trophies despite playing brilliant football and having great players like Patrik berger robbie fowler John Barnes etc.
As a Liverpool supporter I never thought I'd find my self agreeing with Gary but he is correct they boosted the player above the manager at Liverpool nobody is above Jurgan Klopp.
on behalf of all liverpool fc fans, we would like to thank manchester united for the easiest game of the season. After those tough man city-benfica-man city games, boy did we needed this game.
@@Andre-hm5vo When has he confirmed it, couldn't find anything on the internet or media, he never said I won't continue past 2024 so everything on the table still.
City, Barca, Madrid, Liverpool, Chelesa etc they have all have a percentage of home grown talent .. there is a core of players that are truly representing their club. At Utd, there isn't that group with a vested interest. Not broken but disconnected from the club. These home grown players would get round an underperforming star and make him understand that more is expected.
He broke them even more by keeping his mate "Oleh" in a job for so long. Mr "Mourinho was a world class manager, that didnt work, Van Gaal was a world class manager, that didn't work". There's a reason why he failed so badly at Valencia
Just look at the 2 new recruits from MU and Liverpool, then you know what's wrong with the club's recruitment team. Liverpool bought Diogo Jota and Luis Diaz, both slot into the team with ease. MU bought Donny Van De Beek and Jardon Sancho, and both did not play much as their manager yet to figure out how to utilize them. Some more MU both combine cost 30mils more than Jota and Diaz combine cost.
The players are not broken, they've given up. Most of them are off next season and the rest don't want to be there. Can't explain finishing 3rd in the Premier League and in the semi final of every competition 2 years ago plus 2nd last year in the Prem and a European final last year to the shambles this year.
Souness wants to check the United stock price. It isn't "through the roof". It's the same as what it was when they were first issued years ago. Which in real terms mean that the value of the club from a stock perspective has fallen! Shocking asset management.
Souness was making the point about fans blaming the glazers, and he was 100% right!!!! United have spent more than most over last 5 years, and they are average at best. They brought in top managers, average at best........the glazers are not at fault
It just underlines how ridiculously short-sighted / dumb the Glazers have been, financially, since they stole the club with a leveraged buyout. In 15 years, the club could easily have risen in value by an extra billion dollars or two. Yet, on top of paying off their loans obtained to purchase the club from united's yearly revenues, they also siphon off money sharing it amongst the owners.
@@snick260 they never invested under Fergie, they started heavy investments when they panicked, they chose an investment banker who helped them buy the club for free to run the club, how is this not their fault
Not a United fan but I would’ve thought that it’s not the fact they lost, but the way they lost. Never seen a team lack any ounce of pride and determination like this
As Man united fan from India, staying up till half past two even though it was hurtful watching the entire processing . From thousand of KMS away would like to see some kind of passion from players. GN at 6.43 sums up everything.
The Ole Hopium is gone. He's back down to earth like every other human being. The team is trash and has been for a while. Fernandes put in a wpoty season and after that he comes up short every time.
If Liverpool could come back this strongly in just a few seasons from a side that were consistently finishing 7th/8th and not even playing in Europe, then Manchester United can do the same under Ten Hag/Rangnick (and even quicker, because they’re vastly wealthier). Rangnick has stated, with sincerity, that as many as 10 players could come in over the summer. Being a new look United in all areas behind the scenes, this could well actually happen. A sort of Chelsea 03/04 scenario - absolutely no where near the other biggest & best teams in the league, to being one of them.
What do you mean a few seasons? I swear the joke was Liverpool hadn't won the league since it was called the first division and that was 20 or so years. It will not take a few seasons to get back to the top more like a decade or 2.
When Ferguson retired, the once-mighty man utd team also retired with him. Managers then-after, have tried to revive it, resuscitate it to life, jolt it into action but to no avail. The glory of the past has definitely deserted it, only a messiah like new club owners and then a saint in the mould of Klopp can return this club to salvation. For the time being, pray.
If manager has been at a club for a long time I think they leave a long-term effect that is hard to change. Moyes when he left Everton, I think they did not recover too well, (maybe one good season with Martinez). Arsenal have not recovered from their best Wenger days either. It took Liverpool a while to get back to their greatness from the late 80s, reliably,
I am a newcastle fan and what gary says about the glazers hits me hard because Mike Ashley destroyed my club he made so many bad decisions and it shows now how bad Ashley was because the new owners have come in and not done that much yet all they have done is bought one manager in and a few players but my team looks like a brand new team. Glazers need to sell up and you need to put in proper footballing people in there and you'll see a big diffrence straight away.. but saying all that united tonight were an embarsement the thing I could not belive is none of the United players kicked anyone. I remember during the game when Liverpool players were getting on the ball I was expecting a bad challenge but nothing Liverpool were allowed to do what they wanted
When De Gea was bigging up the "massive win" at the weekend when they beat bottom club Norwich, a game in which he conceded 2 goals did he really think they were going to get something at Anfield ?
Dude lay off degea, he can call gary neville's mom a belly dancing jigaboo if he wants, not a single player since van persie left could even come close to giving world class performances like degea has. Single handedly kept united in the top half of the table for almost a decade now.
There seems to be no plan behind the players United recruit whereas Liverpool and City look at the whole package such as their character and how they'd fit in etc. Man Utd's defence is also shambolic and can't play out from the back.
It honestly looks like there's more of a marketing and merchandising eye to player recruitment at United than a footballing one, and it shows. Splashing out lots of cash on players who are then just expected to magically form into a winning team, even though the systems that helped them thrive elsewhere don't exist at United. PSG are in much the same boat, only their domestic league isn't very competitive, so they have at least been able to win some trophies.
Some clubs seriously underestimate character these days. Doesn't matter how skillful a player is, if they won't run to the ends of the earth, teams like City and Liverpool will not sign them
The system will spoil the energetic midfielder that will replace PP. ManUtd has system problems. They have long deviated from merit/competence based engagements in all areas - on and off the pitch; and that is what the players exploit to always play contrary to instructions.
Gary's point about the club elevating the player above the manager is very interesting and is worth noting. He is right, the manager should be the boss and the club should absolutely be behind the manager. Players who underperform should be sold.
i get what he’s saying about that fellaini regeneration, he scared me when he was approaching our players if he got within a distance of kicking them cus he did every time
2nd place last year was because other teams had issues and Manchester United got points in some horrible performances playing OleBall. The team was bad when they finished second and didn't improve in midfield while also continuing to have faith in an awful Harry Maguire instead of playing Eric Bailly at least. Points dropped this season were points we should've dropped last season. There's decline ISN'T unexpected to anyone whose eyes were open. Your eyes
i love how jamie is reminiscing how garry and roy would react to this game let alone hunting top four they will play this game to their death just to stop their rival Liverpool win the league. this man utd players don't have that mentality and motivation
I had to replay this interview 100 times, just listening to GN saying the players are broken, it is weirdly nice and I just can't get enough, lol. He said it so beautifully I had to listen to it non-stop.
When Carragher and Keane are in agreement like that, it says something.
What does it say?
@@wilkoten7829 something
@@wilkoten7829 2:26
There used to be banter between old rivals. Bragging rights when your team wins. Now Liverpool are passed bragging about beating Utd. They seem to feel sorry for Utd and miss having good competitive games with their long time rivals.
They are besties since the ladbible vid
When your greatest rivals don't celebrate with emotion when scoring against you, that's when you know it's really down bad.
Liverpool scored lucky goals. Expecting a 5-0 win for united next time......
@@ActuallyKennyMcCormick Had the whole squad laughing, mate
Couldn’t Agree More Fella ……… ⚽️
Great insight. The expectation is to just run roughshod over Man Utd without too much extra effort. "Back in the day" the celebrations would have been passionate bc you you knew you earned it with energy, sweat, and blood.
not rivals anymore
"We lost 5 nil to Liverpool at Old Trafford. We lost 4 nil to Liverpool the next time we faced them, AT ANFIELD. Thats a 20% improvement on our defensive game and that shows we're on the right track to getting back to the top again"
- Harry Maguire (Probably)
That made me laugh out loud!
Swear you had me in the first half there 😂
lol.... good math here!! 🤣🤣
Facts and stats!!!!!
👏👏👏
jose mourinho once said that getting second place with this group of players was the biggest achievement of his life
now you know how right he was
He says it a lot actually.Have'n't you seen the advert?
Mou never misses. People just don't listen.
Jose Mourinho was right when he said getting 2nd place in 2017-18 with that United team is one of his finest achievements.
Still got second last year, and deep runs in every comp.. so its not that impressive.
@@se-mi1489 and league cup
He was also total poison
@@whatwhat3432523 he won league cop and europa..so nope, it was impressive.
@@whatwhat3432523 ur right but to be fair mourihnos team was worse than oles and still won the europa league
all us United fans have no explanation anymore, we just sigh and accept it. The club is rotten to the core and full of overpaid flops who do not care about the club and only care about the money. The old days of United are long gone! Only good thing to see last night was the Liverpool fans pay respect to Ronaldo, huge respect for that.
Also good to see Hannibal come on and actually fight for the badge
Me 100% this morning
Not even angry... watched the game in fast fwd 10x, saved myself 80 minutes
Welcome to what it used to feel like supporting Newcastle, it's absolute class to see from the outside though 🤣
May I just take the time to laugh? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA
Keane said it best. They're all the problem
I genuinely believe if Liverpool really wanted to, these recent head to head games could've been 8-0 wins or something like that. It's got to the point where Klopp has shown pity for the biggest rivals, that's not even fun anymore beating them it's just sad
@Ed but you knew Man Utd is doomed from the beginning
Klopp wasn't even celebrating, winning again this team means nothing. They're done even trying, hope that changes, they're a great club with a lot of history.
@@Ti0Luch0 Hope it never changes. No one likes man utd
This was a prophetic post
4:34 Gary’s reaction is the best thing he’s ever done
How funny was that 😂 playing with his ring I started laughing when I seen that live
Im dying 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Souness is correct
@@TheRugbyClubHQ what, just because they've provided funding for signings? Yeah, and you can guarantee they've got a fair influence on those signings. Their attitude towards the club centres around the Manchester United brand on a global scale, at the expense of the football, which has fallen by the wayside.
The fact that that goon Woodward has retained the backing of the owners encapsulates everything that's wrong, along with the PR stunt of Ronald's return, and allowing Pogba to run down his contract. A lack of strategy, ability to make the biggest decisions around recruitment, no vision for the future, and a lack of respect for the fans while everything is falling apart makes for bad ownership. But hey-ho, they can always pull out of the club and leave the club saddled with debt...
Just like he did with Micah
"de Gea is helpless, watching the hopeless..." Gary Neville during commentary, being brutally honest.
This quote is just fantastically and depressingly accurate.
It's a Beautiful thing to wintness....YNWA
@@andybowen1788 by the time you learn to spell "witness", klopp will be gone and liverpool won't be contesting for titles. I'll wait for that day.
@@mohammadhamza2901 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
“Make no question about it, these lot are hopeless”
I’m not sure that Ten Hag is going to be enough, they’re going to need 11, maybe even 12 Hags to catch up with Liverpool
😂 😂 😂
how many talented instagram idol/video game athletes Man Utd need to axe before they can bring in Haag prefered players?
Haag will not be able to work out what he wants to with half of these undetermine, unfocus players…
Ahaha took me a couple seconds for this to register 😂
Getting rid of Maguire (or at least give him individual training sessions) would be the first step
Liverpool scored lucky goals tbh. Expecting Utd to win 5-0 next time.......
Us Liverpool fans hated him & Keane as players, but as pundits, I'm always in awe of how they don't mince their words because they love their former club and are proud to have worn the jersey. Both deserves a lot of respect especially for holding people accountable.
Everyone forgets to mention the biggest loss to Man U , THE REFEREES, no longer can Man U rely on the REFEREES, eg ball 2m over the goal line being ruled not crossing the line.......... surely that loss of REFEREES is going have a demoralising effect on Man U players and club
@@britishqueen94 get a grip
Don't get carried away. Roy Keane BITD would break both your legs and rupture your cruciate ligments soon as look at you.
Mate their bias towards Ole was shocking. Other than that your right.
Jose was the best manager they could have had but people like Gary drove him away saying he made the place toxic.
He only said things that now after 4 years all of us are seeing was true
Gary doesn’t have that kind of power. They looked at Pogba’s brand and marketability and chose him over mourinho.
Cos Jose done so well since hasn’t he?
Jose was a good manager even though an unlikeable one. United messed up when they sacked him because he publicly said that the board didn't back him in the transfer market. Shame. It was the players who needed sacking.
@@sieghart7889 if he was a “good manager” then what happened at spurs?
@@ryanwarcup7693 spurs are spurs
I love how everytime they face man united Liverpool celebrates their goals like Pre season friendlies. They barely run and celebrate they just smile. High 5 and slowly walk back to the other half . It's almost like " We're not that low to actually celebrate that"
Never thought I'd see a comment from you not mentioning Mourinho 🤣
Mourinho predicted this downfall though 🤷♂️
@@palashrawat401 true brue he is a true jose fan
And then u look at Utd's celebrations against Norwich 😂
@@abhinavt8674 The most laughable one is Maguire celebration against Albania. A friendly against Albania and he shush his haters.... The humanity
Gary is absolutely spot on here. All these grand introductions of signings is the club saying the player is bigger than the manager already. We need to get back to the manager being the HEAD of the club and players want to play for the manager. Too much player power at United.
That is exactly it
How on earth Paul pugba worth more to a club that José is bonkers what happened to Fergusons famous creed
@Jay_A. That has always been the United way. Never the slightest interest as to whether the player will help the squad, just the headlines with the subtext ''just look who United can afford!''.
It hasn't worked at times for United.
Their players are just too egoistical.
I think that started with Rooney's monster contract under Moyes after criticizing the club and its lack of ambition. The wages on some of these players doesn't fit their talent.
Psg are in a similar space
Neville can't talk with much authority. He over hypes Ole's achievements, under rates Mourhino's achievements and acts like Ole didn't leave club that was annihilated by Liverpool, City, Watford and was shipping goals charitably.
Ole's achievement? I slept off when the team took a nose dive. Did he win UCL?
@@horacemayralvincent7258 he won the "being Gary Neville friend award"
he has no credibility with me anymore. I watch these video because of others.
Exactly my sentiments!!!!
@@IASP17 sure ;)
Neville’s point is redundant. Have they spent enough money or not? Clearly the answer to that question is yes. So the issue is recruitment. Souness is spot on
United have spent the most on transfers than any other club and they also have the highest salary bill in the premier league. They are the world's most valuable club maybe only second to Real Madrid. United have tons of money. Money isn't the issue, it's over-paying for mediocre players ie recruitment. Bbbut Greame, Greame, Greame.
Souness is spot on, Van Gaal said the same thing about the recruitment as did Mourinho.
lEt mE fIniSh
Absolutely correct.
@@dawe9awe HOLD ON GRAHAM! :-D
Guys, I don’t think it’s the managers fault anymore….
I’m not sure let’s give the players another 5 years
@@glocktavious 5 year contracts 😉😂
Give the players another 5 managers
@@glocktavious We should protect them at all cost. Specially Maguire the King
It never was
As a Liverpool fan I’m realising that even some of our crappest banter teams down the years were never this easy to beat. Man Utd home and away this season have been our 2 easiest games this season. Even Norwich came to Anfield and made it harder than Man Utd did.
Fact
@Dirty Bindippers What on Earth has that got to do with anything I said? 🫤
@Dirty Bindippers you don't have to live in Liverpool to be a liverpool fan
@Dirty Bindippers also not all places in Liverpool have purple bins, you mainly get them in the Wirral side
I’m a man united fan and I agree. I just can’t believe what I’m witnessing from this team right now it doesn’t feel real
Can managers turn things around ? Sure they can. Take Klopp at Liverpool, Jose and Carlo at Madrid.
But like Keane said in an interview, " coaching is a delight when you have the right players. But if you have rotten players it's the worst place you can be " and these players are rotten as hell.
Maguires statement proves it " well if I'm not a good player why am I starting every game " cos the rest are worst than you dummy.
They should have backed Jose, given these players a kick on their back side.
Jose was toxic, as he was at Chelsea and left the place a shambles. So bad that we got a nostalgia manager who didn't coach the team for three years. And these players weren't "rotten" until they had Jose and Ole.
@@bobbyjosson4663 he is not toxic
They should never have fired Moyes. Idiocy.
@@lexkanyima2195 he is toxic! Stinks the place out with his negative boring tactics and doesnt hesitate to throw his players under the bus!
@@jamesconnolly3988 what ,
I thought they were worse in the 2019/20 season. However, they've spent quite a lot of money since. The Amad Diallo deal is mind-boggling. 17m up front, which could double if he actually makes it, and he can't get in the Rangers side.
Hype, United buy players from media hype, Bruno, pogba, maguire, Ronaldo etc all were bought from fan hype people where comparing maguire to van djik for crying out loud it’s honestly disgusting how bad United are run and I’m loving every second of it
Having followed Liverpool since 91' I waited and waited while United won everything while we were miles away. I thought I'd love hammering United but it's sort of....sad, they aren't just bad, they are rotten.
That is what true rivalry means
for me , its the players . i think carra is r8 . no matter who the manager is , giving 100% is a must for any player in any club . if u cant give everything , the manager must make him sit out but at man u , the players have more command over the manager and it is shocking
At least Liverpool had a good fight in them. Winning a champions league and getting to the final a second time is a pretty good wilderness period.
As a Liverpool fan I feel the same, as a kid United battered us, won everything.. I dreamed of a day that the tables would be reversed but I don't feel anything when we beat them these days it just doesn't seem legit, this Manchester team is a joke. No fight. It's like beating someone up who has a disability, it's a low move. But United will someday be back so I guess we should enjoy this moment as we may also fall. A lot can change in 5, 10, 15 years..
Yeah its not even fun, it's actually just sad and uncomfortable to watch
People keep saying that Manchester United are going through the same phase Liverpool were when they were finishing mid table. That's just wrong, Liverpool at that time never had as much talent as Manchester United does now nor the spending power. Liverpool lacked depth in every position and struggled with high profile departures. Yet each Liverpool player played with heart and passion even though their performances were below par and that's the major difference.
Paul Konchesky vs Luke Shaw, the difference between that Liverpool and this United is light and day…
@@F7Comps right. Jay Spearing vs Pogba in the middle of the park
The owners I guess. Nothing else can explain it. The objectives for these owners are completely different
😂 David N’gog against berbatov, Christian poulsen against carrick, it would take hours to list the garbage we’ve had over the years
@@bharathsf Exactly, while you're worried about this, they're like: "Our dividends for this quarter look promising, but it can be improved on. Any ideas?"
I really like Mane as a number 9, and he seems to have found his confidence lately, his passing and link up play when he drops deep is actually really good and he looks comfortable there
Underrated player. As good as there is
Coincidentally since Diaz joined, he knows there’s competition now
@@JGrowl-er9md how is he underrated?
Mane is so underrated, in my opinion he has to be one of Liverpool's best buys. The stamina of the man, he's a total 90 player.
@@ep9421 I reckon he should be a Ballon D'or contender. I don't think that's a common view, therefore I believe he's underrated.
“Graeme, Graeme, Graeme.. seriously”
We all felt that Gary, thank you.
Can we removed Graeme from this Studio please thanks....
Why??? Graeme was right…. Look how much you have spent 😂😂😂 what a joke of a club.
@@jeffery8792 you think the glazers are good because your a Liverpool fan did you not hear Neville’s response 😂 ofc the glazers have brutally destroyed the club thank god they’re leaving soon.
Gary didn’t have this much to say when his pal was in charge
Say it again Jack.
I get that he was your mate but he also played a part in what we are seeing from United today!
It'll be a good 4/5 years before they win a big trophy again at least.
I mean he isn’t blaming the manager so…
To be fair Ole somehow managing to herd these cats into a second place finish seems like quite the accomplishment in comparison now.
When has he never said alot about the current crop of players and owners? Are you actually living in cuckoo land hes never stopped moaning and he doesn't criticise managers. Everything he said here is spot on so I find it bizarre when people attack Gary when he's just a proper red who clearly is going through the same as us.
EXACTLY.
It's always been about recruitment, Grahame is right and I have been saying this for years. Utd's recruitment has been poor compared to their closest competitors. That has always been the main problem and it began while Fergie was in charge.
Yes Woodward has been a disgrace.
But the recruitment strategy and staff are set up by the Glazers.
And Graeme stops short of blaming the Glazers.
@@samwize28 Yeh but what football knowledge does any owner really have to make these appointments?? The glazers were owners when utd were successful too, now they're not its the glazers fault even though they've spent more than any other club yeh do me a favour, neville just cant handle what's happened to his team while at the same time liverpool and city going in the opposite direction
@@gooonaboy8895 The glazers were owners when Utd were successful because they didn't appoint anyone. The Utd backroom staff (SAF, Gill, Scouting staff, coaches etc) were all already in place. Plus 80% of that 2008 Utd side was signed prior to 2005. So that point is absolute garbage.
All the glazers needed to do in 2014 was appoint an experienced technical director, do you not agree? Instead, not only did they appoint Woodward (who has no CV), but they kept him in power for over 6 years. Why would they do this, if they are so competent and caring as people make them out to be?
So both of your points absolutely destroyed there without even trying. Take the L and walk away. Key stage 1 ball IQ is embarrassing.
Oh, and i havnt even touched on the debt they brought to the club, the dividends, the stadium, the facilities, the super league, the lack of attending games/setting foot in manchester....
@@samwize28 You wouldn't care about any of that if you were successful on the pitch though and the owners have given you more money to do that than even city... just seems rich to have these "outrageous" owners that back you more than any other in the league
Liverpool have made improvements through the years from disasters to Winners, Klopp has improved Liverpool and improvements gained👏
Coming second last year was a total fluke. Liverpool have two more points now, with six games to go, than United had at the end of last season. Qualifying for the Champions League might have been the worst thing that could happen, because it allowed the Glazers to do nothing and encouraged waste of space "superstars" to stay.
The amount of Man U fans who thought you were actually second an not just lucky is mad
Yeah cos signing sancho varane and ronaldo is doing nothing isn’t it
It certainly wasn't. Ole did a good job over those 2 years but the club went to fast. Ronaldo, Sancho, varane and all that pressure was too much for a young side and manager and they crumbled.
@Atheism is the Truth And Chelsea had a manager change mid season and were still only a couple wins away from leveling united's points. Realistically without the turmoil those two clubs had utd could have come 4th...
@Atheism is the Truth yes and the only reason your clubs are doing well is because Fergie retired and we aren’t as good
Gary is spot on ..they are undermining managers and it's not just United .
man united also signed mourinho didnt they
Neville was never this vocal when ole was the problem for 3 years ,he was part of the acceptance then.
@@ksg7882 signing managers is way less commercially profitable than signing a player, and that’s how united is now, just commercial. Signing Jose was a big deal but they didn’t put as much emphasis on it as for example signing Sanchez. as Gary said: they hype around big players and then they can’t deliver to the expectations united have put on them
Neville's is wrong here.
@@ngc-fo5te how so?
@3:11 I like it how Gary immediately stops speaking when Keane starts his talk. Captain speaks
What gary said was on point.. they focus on great introduction players.. but in the end the managers cant even use them.. it’s pointless and waste of money.. its like buying 1000 dollars boots but you cant even play football.. it doesnt make you any better… they changed couple of managers over the course of few seasons.. it were all going back to square one.. they keep this up.. its gonna rot the club.. its just getting worse and worse.. what they can do is (if the owner have guts to do it) pick one world class manager.. and let him build his squad.. like liverpool.. players aside.. klopp been building his team for pass few season.. and look at them now.. one of the best team in the world.. from top four club.. to champions club.. all the trophies.. they could bag them all the way the team is playing now.. and they spend less than man city and still plays a great football everytime.. it sucks how i love man u deep in the bottom of my heart.. its painful to watch every game and yet i watch it anyway.. just to see a slight magic or miracles that can happen.. it feels good watching winning games.. but apparently man U is just too broken.. and broke our heart and faith in the club.. its so sad.. so damn sad..
We failed to see Mourinho’s warnings back then and now we’re reaping the rewards. We always shielded the players blaming the managers but now it’s clearly evident who’s at fault. If the new manager comes in and tries to manage these guys, he’ll be seeing the exit door faster than he thinks.
It’s truly shambolic and depressing what’s happening to this team. I don’t even expect anything anymore from this team and yet they still disappoint me.
We all thought he was toxic when really he was just honest
Utd will dominate the league next season. Mark my words......
Im not even a man utd fan, and even i cant believe how man utd have become. Keeping ole at the helm for 2 years too long only masked over their problems.
@@ActuallyKennyMcCormick i need the muffins you eating.
Truth is Man United wasn't always good...they had Howard and Sir Alex bullying everyone...now that those two aren't around anymore we are seeing the REAL Man United
Just imagine the scenes for whoever loses in the Arsenal Vs United game. They will be crowned Banter FC.
I will be so disappointed if it ends in a draw
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Arsenal deserve some respect. Youngest team and manager in the league with a very thin squad they’ve been good this season. Just struggling with injuries now
Arsenal will win if United play there usual way
Arsenal are having a better season than us tbh. They have a direction at the club and more of an identity than the nonsense that we have. They're also already rebuilding whilst we still have to start yet another rebuild since Ole failed.
I have nothing against Harry Maguire! but I’ve never been more grateful to have Henderson as our captain, he deserves more appreciation right now!! Could not have a captain that calls hand ball on their team mate tho 🤣🤣 bless him
Hendo isn't called the Captain's Captain of the entire Prem for nothing. He's the pride, passion, and the beating heart of this current LFC. Will be devo'd when he goes💔
Liverpool went through the same thing. Just like Liverpool finishing 2nd in 2008-09 and in 2013-14 they were still far from Prem-league-champion material. Utd finishing 2nd meant little in the end; the improvement wasn't lasting. When Liverpool finished 2nd in 2008-09 the ensuing final positions were 7, 6, 8, 7, then 2nd, followed by 6, 8, then 4, 4 and 2 and then 1st. There is too much competition for quick fixes. Liverpool thought the title was waiting for them, every season since 1989-90, but it wasn't. You have to earn it and that often means scraping into the top 4 for a few seasons. We the fans expect too much. The old Utd is long gone so blasting your own team will make things worse. Accept your team as they are and give them time. Don't expect big-money buys all the time because that will not solve the problem, it will make it last longer and expectation will put undue pressure on your team. We Liverpool fans took some 20 years to realise that _this season will be our season_ was laughable to all non-Liverpool fans. And to Ronaldo, YNWA.
You have a point with 2013-14, Suarez almost won the title by himself. The 2008-09 Liverpool team was a solid squad that had been consistent over a number of years and was finally good enough to mount a title challenge, not a flash in the pan like the title challenge 5 years later.
@@RS-ni3lj they had a chance but bad luck
👏 respect. Trust the process
ArtetaIn
United have now conceded more goals than Burnley this season. Let that sink in.
🤯
So technically Ben Mee > Varane
and Man utd have De Gea and Varane in defence - let that sink in
Shhhhhhhh what next? you are going to tell me they spent £80 million on Maquire? /s
Lol, between them Man City and liverpool have put 15 past them!
He was hurt you could hear during the match calling Man United a "waste of space".
I still find it hard that people still consider man utd a good team.
It's been almost 10 year since they did anything worth talking about.
@@randomsimpsonsquotes6033 Liverpool went 30 years without a league and they were still top 5 biggest clubs in the world. 9 years isn't *that* long
@@WakaWaka2468 read the comment again did not mention about being a "big club" he literally said "good team"
@@WakaWaka2468 Liverpool were mostly good though
@@WakaWaka2468 long enough
I'm a lifelong Chelsea fan but the state of Man United is quite upsetting at the moment. We had some great matches against them over the years and its sad to know those times seem to have gone. I don't know how this will be fixed, a complete overhaul?!
when Gary said about managers being the central figure at the club it is one of the principles of management in football which utd under saf showed to the whole world what difference a manager can make if you give him the appropriate authority. It is one of the things which were learned by other clubs taking utd as an example and ironically enough utd have abandoned their own principle.
Remember when the pundits parroted the nonsense that Thiago slows Liverpool down or that Klopp's methods bring injuries? Liverpool have never looked fitter and Thiago has never looked better.
He needed time to adapt
Amazing how they change there narrative so quickly
I keep having a moan about Liverpool's defence giving up too many one on ones. But you just have to trust Klopp he is genius, made for Liverpool, what a squad he has put together. Fantastic.
@@stevemartin7798 as a Newcastle fan I think Klopp is the best manager in the world, purely because of what he has done on a fraction of the budget that City had.
Liverpool players are fit because of DOPING
Gary’s reaction to Souness 😭😭😭
Love to see it. Souness is a dinosaur, absolute bell
@@EmiSalama9 Souness was right, over the last few years Man Utd have been the 2nd highest spenders, only a fraction behind Man City.
@@johneastwood3039 that’s true but the managers aren’t getting the signings they want they’re getting their 5th choice so no wonder recruitment has been poor when managers can’t bring in players they want or offload players, that is the board’s fault
I actually agree with Souness for once. The recruitment has been god awful. 80 million for Maguire for example
@@James-bd1ew The reason we can't offload players is because nobody wants to pay their wages. When people sign for Man utd they sign on big wages and then when they flop we're stuck with them. Too many bad signings, but that's the fault of whoever is buying the players.
The problem is simple, the care for the club is missing, the passion to play for an United jersey and give it your all is missing. Thats it. No matter how big or great you are, if you have no passion for the place you work for, you can't bring your best.
I can relate where these legends are coming from......it's different when to play with determination and lose(acceptable).....no determination,no passion, they need hungry players not players who feel they've achieved all
Souness sticking up the glazers…shock! If I was a Liverpool fan I’d be saying they’re the best owners ever as well 😂😭
Glazers in
The thing is man United keep being the glazers when there losing but when they were giving them money to sign players like Maguire, Sancho, pogba, Ronaldo for big money they were not complaining them
In fairness to Souness he didn’t stick up for them he just said that some people (mainly Neville) assign too much blame to just them when there’s other issues as well
@@vicmackey4606 Yes, they've pumped money through thick and thins of the club, but you're forgetting that they are making the recruitment decisions, not the managers. They should buy players that fit their system, sadly they don't have a system and are doing inshallah. Glazers are always about bringing big names such as Sancho, Haaland, Mbappe, etc. They should focus on building the system first with the right manager. Ole wasn't that bad. They need to bring in high work rate and motivated players just like Cavani and Bruno. They had a huge impact last season, now all that is gone and those two have lost their confidence. That's why everything is falling apart at ManU. As a Liverpool fan it makes me happy, but tbh this is not how a top tier club should be run and I feel bad for the fans.
@@vicmackey4606 "Giving" money? The club generates that money itself. All that leeches do is take money out. Nothing more. They've saddled the club with hundreds of millions of pounds of their debt.
Ten Hag is gonna absolutely tank his reputation by going to United. Theres no glory to be won there, only disappointment. Hell, United may be the bigger franchise, but Ajax is currently the bigger team. If it were up to me i'd have Ten Hag stay at Ajax, be almost guarenteed to win trophies and play CL, and eventually a better club than United will come knocking on the door.
Ajax better history then man utd
hell its a high risk but insanely highly rewarding decision for him to join. imagine being the manager that brought Englands best ever club back to the top... plus the money.
@@TurtleJeff94 the Dutch league is no premier league
@@ItzAngeles Money isn't really a factor i think. Ten Hag comes from a wealthy family in the Netherlands so high wages isn't as important as it would be to other managers. And will the pay-off would indeed be massive if he does perform well with United, the chance of that happening is just insanely small if you look at what happened to all other managers since Ferguson.
ye im thinking the same. If i were him I would wait a couple years for a better club than united. The thing is, he will probably earn 10 times more at united than he does at ajax, hard to say no to that.
Is there a copy of the full discussion? I can’t find one.
Honestly i feel like i should feel at least a bit sorry seeing UTD down this bad, but i’m absolutely loving every second of it. Long may it continue, hopefully my kids will one day be able to enjoy it alongside me
I take it you're a liverpool fan.
Have to say when liverpool feel from being to club and utd took over to spot it was the sweetest feeling, similar to what your saying. The difference between both teams was Liverpool still took pride in playing for the fans, club and Jersey. This united team is worse I've ever seen.
United fan for 49 years now
@@colmokelly9995 it’s true, at least Lucas Leiva put in a proper shift
These days it's like the air is just so much sweeter🌻
Nothing lasts forever.. Liverpool and city will fall too, if not in a few years than it will happen in a decade or 2. Don't you worry
@@mmaenthusiast7605 hopefully in the 2030s-40s the new top 5 is like Bristol Rovers, Gateshead, Hereford F.C.. Newport County & Notts County. Just a totally different landscape. Been 30 years of the same Prem clubs taking the top spots...
Real talk. So refreshing.
Squat everyday brother
Are you stupid? He's doing it for this response from you. So you click on this video.
@@benhallo1553 shut up
I have much respect for Neville as a Liverpool fan, you can definitely tell how much it pains him.
As a United fan shut your mouth
Is that why he was supporting his pal Ole when he was toxic for the club
@@TheGreatVivek7 Pretty obvious now it’s the players not the managers.. Pep Guardiola couldn’t do anything with this group of players
I don't. Flaunting his badge at our fans like that, now look haha
I mute Neville whenever he commentates
Gary Neville spot on and more passion in his big toe for Man Utd than any player there right now. I am not a Man United supporter, but like his passion for his former club.
Fernandes, Maguire & co: Play for 90 minutes and show no hunger, desire and fighting spirit.
Hannibal: Plays for 5 minutes and earns the respect of a lot of United fans by showing what the senior boys couldn’t.
Honestly, I would rather they have just put the Red Devils U23 squad on the pitch at Anfield. They would have lost by a lot of goals, but we would have seen players who were there to play hard.
Hannibal was lost out there and only further cemented United as clowns with his hair
Why is no one talking about man Uniteds improvement, at home they lost 5-0 away at Anfield they lost only 4-0. That is progress
This means more 🙏🙏🔥🔥🔥❗❗
Exactly if they keep improving at this rate by 2025 they will be winning 1-0
But they played 5 at the back at Anfield
True,those baby steps are exactly what man u need.10 years time and they'll be legit contenders.
@@cobstar77 😂😂
Gary is FINALLY admitting that the players are to blame, i.e. they have been abandoning manager after manager when the going gets tough. As a Liverpool fan, this pattern of behaviour is a disgrace.
@Bare Knuckle he just admitted ole could’ve done better
Is like Mou said about Pogbá and others. Primadonnas.
Am an arsenal fan ,but garry nevile is absolutely right, the ayers have been elevated so much when they haven't done anything so far to achieve that..there was no desire ,no fighting spirit in their game yesterday.
Rashford's eyes and body language during the match says all you need to know about Man U's mentality going into these games and the team feeling on the pitch.
Overhyped Overpaid English players will ruin the club 😂
Trashford has always been rubbish
Rashford is a joke
@@user-pk4sd9dd2w He can't even pass or corss or provide a ball. That's shame for an winger.
Gary wanted to cry when he said Bruno is a good player
He's not even the best Bruno in the league 🤣
You should ask Steven Gerrard.🤔
Been a Utd fan for over 50 yrs & have never ever seen my team play so badly. Hope we get it right with the new gaffer🙏
Gary is full of wisdom and managerial acumen - it’s a good job he put it to good use at Valencia
Liverpool fan since the 70s and I can safely say I've never seen a United team like that. Even when we were winning leagues and European Cups back then, they always gave us a game, famously spoiling our treble hopes in '77 when they beat us in the FA Cup final. In the 80s, when we we were really on top we always knew the United fixtures would be tough, the biggest margin of victory was 2 goals and that happened ONCE in the entire decade. I mean, I love beating this lot but to see a team collapse like this is sad. No self respect.
Mans about 60 years old
Eh that 4-1 at Old Trafford with Stevie and Torres was a belter for us eh?! Still remember where I was when I saw that
@@stoneytheclown yeah, battered them that day but I was referring to the 70s and 80s when we were winning titles for fun.
I’m a Utd fan and I totally agree with you!
@@filipsz.8531 52
Here in the Dutch Papers we are also saying that ten Hag is making a mistake. He should stay at Ajax until Pep leaves to take over Man City. We all know he is doomed to fail at Man united.
Even managers from Dutch league don't want this job
Money talks sadly, he’ll be offered triple what he’s on at Ajax with promises of bringing certain players in and they’ll bullshit him about training ground plans etc just to get him in. Another thing you have to remember is, these managers get paid their contract no matter how badly they do, it’s unbelievable. His missus will be in his ear saying take the job coz the worst that can happen is it doesn’t work out and you get a massive lump sum payment and still have job offers after it. Then his ego will say, I can make a difference.
I believe Ten Hag is making an educated bet, he's backing his skills. Here's why, if you follow Pep at Man City, ultimately Pep will get half the credit, it was his work that ensured your success, and let's be frank you are catering to Man Cities 25 fans, and if you fail with that squad, budget and infrastructure your career is all but over. But at Man Utd you have a shot at immortality.. tens of millions of fans worldwide will scream your name if bring back success to us and it will be all you... and everyone will blame the board if you fail. He's backing himself.
Hes making the right decision. I would rather be Man Utd saviour and be a legend at the club than live in Peps shadow
@@stevecharles4498 lol he might back himself, but at the moment he has full control at Ajax in who goes out, who comes in and what not more. I don't see that happening at Man United.
As an Arsenal fan I must say Man city doesn't have 25 fans anymore, each year upon year I see small children or teenagers walking around in their kits and not in man United or Arsenal. No in PSG, man city or Real Madrid kits. Only older fans still support the arsenal's or the man United. (globally not local)
I think if he succeeds at Man city then he continues peps legacy and on it self is hard to do as well.
interesting what Gary said about Old Trafford and the training ground, I went to both in the early-mid 90s my dad was a man united fan, both were by far the best in England, Old Trafford was better than Wembley which okay was falling down, but nowhere else was even close in terms of facilities, they set the standard for everyone else. By the sounds of it the Glazers just stopped when they took up the reigns and all the other clubs have caught up and passed them by, seems like a metaphor for the football too.
Before Klopp Liverpool's recruitment was similar, people forget they spent loads but didn't get anywhere. It's the culture at man united if you are there you will be paid more and that's about it, there is no hunger to do the hard stuff for success.
They should introduce a cap-like man city did with their recruitment of players and get ones that actually want to play and win as opposed to those that are just there for the inflated salary.
Want the full thing out here!!!! Wanna watch the whole interview
Lingard at west ham was pure class then he went back to utd and dosent get in the first team says it all...
He's a dead baller, a wasteman.
@@truthseeker3503 yeah okay little toxic but numbers dont lie and you just proved my point you dont now a good baller when you see one 😂😂😂😂
He’s a good player. But he’s not Man Utd good, if you know what I mean.
Gary Neville… honestly he talks more facts than a non fiction book
Unless ole is mentioned
He's right about the owners. Open the till, put hand in, take the money
I think the most important factor for the terrible performance is the injury to the HARDWORKING PLAYERS like fred, mcctominay, cavani. These players usual game is to delegate their defensive duty to these players, and then participate only when it is not too much of trouble. Their absence has exposed the real work rate of all of them. I don’t think the defence is the problem either. It seems that way because the 6 upfront never does their job, and it is much more difficult to play a 4 vs 10 in a big pitch. Usually it is 6 v 10 when mc-fred plays. Logically, manager tried to add one more defensive player to station back, but that didn’t work. The way forward is to play those players who show some spirit.
- telles mcguire lindelof dalot
Matic - 2 academy players who can throw themselves to the ground ( for mcfred)
Elanga bruno/mata sancho
It's absolutely true, frlorget the structure on top in even managers, you need to have character, mentality!
I said about 4-5 years ago that if Liverpool sort their defense out and continue to play they way they are, then there is no reason they cant become one of the best clubs in the world and win both Prem/UCL, also said that I'd much rather Milner in Utd than Pogba at the same time and got ridiculed. Who's laughing now ey
James Milner proppa legend! Pogba might have the talent but he doesn't have the heart Milner does!
As a Liverpool fan watching Graeme Souness talking about poor recruitment, there is certainly an irony there
Edit: just remembered Ali Dia too, lol I was just thinking about his liverpool track record but he got worse!
Especially considering his managerial stint played a big part in liverpool downfall until Roy Evans stabilized them.
Very true, and he actually sold prime assets too in Beardsley and Houghton but he also brought Robbie Fowler through. He was no great manager and he admits himself he made many mistakes which he regrets but you can't take away what a player he was. You'd struggle to name another midfielder you'd pick over him in his prime. Keane? Gerrard? Scholes?
If you see any Liverpool best XI picks of all time, it is usually Sounness and Gerrard in the middle. Amazing player. Won everything at club level.
@@jscobie4 As a player he's a legend. But as a Manger he has a abysmal record.
Liverpool transition would have been smoother if they had appointed Roy Evans right after dalglish left instead of sourness.
@@bhutochakrabarti4173 i dunno... He was handy with a flag pole..🤷
@@UnashamedlyGodSquad Absolutely.
Before klopp I guess Houllier and Benitez were great managers for liverpool.
Roy Evans would have been on that list except his team's never won many trophies despite playing brilliant football and having great players like Patrik berger robbie fowler John Barnes etc.
From 0-5 at Old Trafford to 0-4 at Anfield, a definite improvement.
As a Liverpool supporter I never thought I'd find my self agreeing with Gary but he is correct they boosted the player above the manager at Liverpool nobody is above Jurgan Klopp.
on behalf of all liverpool fc fans, we would like to thank manchester united for the easiest game of the season. After those tough man city-benfica-man city games, boy did we needed this game.
Norwich showed more fight than united
This is as a Liverpool fan is incredible to experience
@@Andre-hm5vo He might not so be prepared for another 5 years of hell 😂😂😂
@@Andre-hm5vo When has he confirmed it, couldn't find anything on the internet or media, he never said I won't continue past 2024 so everything on the table still.
Is beautiful
@@Andre-hm5vo A lot can change in a year or two by next year he might turn around and say I want to continue, you never know.
@@Andre-hm5vo Ive heard that too but then from another source ive heard that he may extend for another couple years so its not 100% confirmed.
City, Barca, Madrid, Liverpool, Chelesa etc they have all have a percentage of home grown talent .. there is a core of players that are truly representing their club. At Utd, there isn't that group with a vested interest. Not broken but disconnected from the club. These home grown players would get round an underperforming star and make him understand that more is expected.
A massive dose of honest talk, more of it please.....lets get real.
So bored listening to the problems at united but I hope it continues
Oh it won't be a quick fix
Long may it continue ha
Same here. It's boring to banter United at this point, it's becoming normal. 😔
He broke them even more by keeping his mate "Oleh" in a job for so long. Mr "Mourinho was a world class manager, that didnt work, Van Gaal was a world class manager, that didn't work". There's a reason why he failed so badly at Valencia
Exactly. Ole treated them like gods, and now that they all think they're bigger than the club, Gary can't seem to see the reason why
@@tankourito5419 tope reds are to blame ( the ole lovers)
Just look at the 2 new recruits from MU and Liverpool, then you know what's wrong with the club's recruitment team. Liverpool bought Diogo Jota and Luis Diaz, both slot into the team with ease. MU bought Donny Van De Beek and Jardon Sancho, and both did not play much as their manager yet to figure out how to utilize them. Some more MU both combine cost 30mils more than Jota and Diaz combine cost.
That’s because the previous manager - what’s his name? - has no clue
The players are not broken, they've given up. Most of them are off next season and the rest don't want to be there. Can't explain finishing 3rd in the Premier League and in the semi final of every competition 2 years ago plus 2nd last year in the Prem and a European final last year to the shambles this year.
Souness wants to check the United stock price. It isn't "through the roof". It's the same as what it was when they were first issued years ago. Which in real terms mean that the value of the club from a stock perspective has fallen! Shocking asset management.
Souness was making the point about fans blaming the glazers, and he was 100% right!!!! United have spent more than most over last 5 years, and they are average at best. They brought in top managers, average at best........the glazers are not at fault
It just underlines how ridiculously short-sighted / dumb the Glazers have been, financially, since they stole the club with a leveraged buyout. In 15 years, the club could easily have risen in value by an extra billion dollars or two. Yet, on top of paying off their loans obtained to purchase the club from united's yearly revenues, they also siphon off money sharing it amongst the owners.
@@snick260 they never invested under Fergie, they started heavy investments when they panicked, they chose an investment banker who helped them buy the club for free to run the club, how is this not their fault
@@snick260 Sorry who appoints the people to spend that money?
That’s what happens when the club is run by a bunch of bankers and accountants
Not a United fan but I would’ve thought that it’s not the fact they lost, but the way they lost. Never seen a team lack any ounce of pride and determination like this
You didn't watch the Manchester derby a few weeks ago then?
@@d4ve19 well I just mean the team in general not just this game
I completely gave up years ago back when fellaini was being played as a CF. And this team still somehow disappoints me
This is just a moment in time. Liverpool were way off United for years. This is just how it goes.
As Man united fan from India, staying up till half past two even though it was hurtful watching the entire processing . From thousand of KMS away would like to see some kind of passion from players. GN at 6.43 sums up everything.
Gary was a thread away from shedding tears 😢
The Ole Hopium is gone. He's back down to earth like every other human being. The team is trash and has been for a while. Fernandes put in a wpoty season and after that he comes up short every time.
Neville said "no, Graham let me finish" and then just repeated the same thing again. Definitely had been practising that line
If Liverpool could come back this strongly in just a few seasons from a side that were consistently finishing 7th/8th and not even playing in Europe, then Manchester United can do the same under Ten Hag/Rangnick (and even quicker, because they’re vastly wealthier). Rangnick has stated, with sincerity, that as many as 10 players could come in over the summer. Being a new look United in all areas behind the scenes, this could well actually happen. A sort of Chelsea 03/04 scenario - absolutely no where near the other biggest & best teams in the league, to being one of them.
What do you mean a few seasons? I swear the joke was Liverpool hadn't won the league since it was called the first division and that was 20 or so years. It will not take a few seasons to get back to the top more like a decade or 2.
@@jimjones3287 Since Klopp came in, obviously.
@@firedrake7663 how many seasons from last league title to title winning manager arriving? about 20 yea?
I feel like Gary is a superstar at these sort of interviews haha, I swear every time I hear him talk its exactly the same ahaha
When Ferguson retired, the once-mighty man utd team also retired with him. Managers then-after, have tried to revive it, resuscitate it to life, jolt it into action but to no avail. The glory of the past has definitely deserted it, only a messiah like new club owners and then a saint in the mould of Klopp can return this club to salvation. For the time being, pray.
yeah and that original var fergie fan 12th man in webby retired also 😂
Gill leaving and appointing Moyes didn't help... neither did replacing all the back room staff.
If manager has been at a club for a long time I think they leave a long-term effect that is hard to change. Moyes when he left Everton, I think they did not recover too well, (maybe one good season with Martinez). Arsenal have not recovered from their best Wenger days either. It took Liverpool a while to get back to their greatness from the late 80s, reliably,
@@virtuafighter3 tbf Liverpool had actual dynasties, not just one-off greats or blips. The torch was passed down.
Nail on the head Garry! totally undermines the manager and giving the players such godlike status can only ever be bad
I am a newcastle fan and what gary says about the glazers hits me hard because Mike Ashley destroyed my club he made so many bad decisions and it shows now how bad Ashley was because the new owners have come in and not done that much yet all they have done is bought one manager in and a few players but my team looks like a brand new team.
Glazers need to sell up and you need to put in proper footballing people in there and you'll see a big diffrence straight away.. but saying all that united tonight were an embarsement the thing I could not belive is none of the United players kicked anyone. I remember during the game when Liverpool players were getting on the ball I was expecting a bad challenge but nothing Liverpool were allowed to do what they wanted
When De Gea was bigging up the "massive win" at the weekend when they beat bottom club Norwich, a game in which he conceded 2 goals did he really think they were going to get something at Anfield ?
Dude lay off degea, he can call gary neville's mom a belly dancing jigaboo if he wants, not a single player since van persie left could even come close to giving world class performances like degea has. Single handedly kept united in the top half of the table for almost a decade now.
De gea is average at best
Not de gea’s fault they conceded 2 it’s maguires
@@Corb101 this is clearly out of hate.
De gea is miles above average. Any unbiased analyst would concur.
At least De Gea has shown some character. He is one of the very few players who should keep their place in the United squad
There seems to be no plan behind the players United recruit whereas Liverpool and City look at the whole package such as their character and how they'd fit in etc. Man Utd's defence is also shambolic and can't play out from the back.
It honestly looks like there's more of a marketing and merchandising eye to player recruitment at United than a footballing one, and it shows. Splashing out lots of cash on players who are then just expected to magically form into a winning team, even though the systems that helped them thrive elsewhere don't exist at United. PSG are in much the same boat, only their domestic league isn't very competitive, so they have at least been able to win some trophies.
Some clubs seriously underestimate character these days. Doesn't matter how skillful a player is, if they won't run to the ends of the earth, teams like City and Liverpool will not sign them
The system will spoil the energetic midfielder that will replace PP. ManUtd has system problems. They have long deviated from merit/competence based engagements in all areas - on and off the pitch; and that is what the players exploit to always play contrary to instructions.
Gary's point about the club elevating the player above the manager is very interesting and is worth noting. He is right, the manager should be the boss and the club should absolutely be behind the manager. Players who underperform should be sold.
i get what he’s saying about that fellaini regeneration, he scared me when he was approaching our players if he got within a distance of kicking them cus he did every time
I was over the moon seeing Manchester United get treated like U16’s last night. Absolutely loved it
Relax. It's only Man United.
'Lads, it's united'
Don't worry, what goes around comes around
Phil Jones lindelof and Harry Maguire have to be the worst CB partnership in PL history… no wonder pogba went of after 10 mins lol
Has to be the ugliest back 3 in world football
2nd place last year was because other teams had issues and Manchester United got points in some horrible performances playing OleBall.
The team was bad when they finished second and didn't improve in midfield while also continuing to have faith in an awful Harry Maguire instead of playing Eric Bailly at least.
Points dropped this season were points we should've dropped last season. There's decline ISN'T unexpected to anyone whose eyes were open.
Your eyes
9-0 over two games, and we went easy on them in both games. What a time to be alive!
i love how jamie is reminiscing how garry and roy would react to this game let alone hunting top four they will play this game to their death just to stop their rival Liverpool win the league. this man utd players don't have that mentality and motivation
I had to replay this interview 100 times, just listening to GN saying the players are broken, it is weirdly nice and I just can't get enough, lol. He said it so beautifully I had to listen to it non-stop.
A little perverted there mate
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