Forgive a personal indulgence, but I giggled at the beginning of this conversation as Lucas changed his mind to say, “We’re gonna jump, no, we’re gonna walk through it slowly, not gonna jump, slow down”, just before going on to explain his thoughts on quantum physics and energy. Definitely should’ve jumped Lucas and embodied the action.🤭 As photons have no mass, they don’t experience ‘time’. Appearances are always reflections of a wider reality. I think it was Roger Penrose who on entering a room and switching on the light said “Ah! Bathed in eternity”. Or as we’ve spoken about on this channel before, and if you prefer, the beautiful doxology -“As it was in the beginning, and now, and always, and in the ages of the ages”. Looking forward to part 3. Thank you both!
"I don't want to lose the materialists" - wonderful! And thanks for adding the John Vervaeke clip, I've shared the same clip with Lucas in the past, I think it's very revealing
Great conversation. Because of latency, everything we sense is technically in the past. Our perceptions are a reaction to what we sense-more latency. The act of paying attention is now, and the price is our time.
this was lovely, in fact I just began to listen again. Hehehe I love the tree part . I think I can have many conversations just about trees. They need more attention. It's almost like many people forget about the trees and maybe not even notice them, or know how much the tree gives them without them even knowing it. Trees are such wonderful creations, we are in many ways, or we can be, a lot like trees. I love trees. And I love to feel their bark or try to touch its leaves or just place my hand on it as I pass by it , or stop and hold one of the branches, to feel what it feels like in my hand and yes I have hugged and helped to guide others to hug a tree , I usually do it with them using two trees right next to one another and I simply ask them what they understand from it or what they noticed about it, and I usually give the first example which is to point out how each time I recognize the stability of the tree, and how it is way stronger and more stable than me in that moment and then I try to convey something a little deeper but relevant to life and sometimes just to share or suggest to someone a concept but in the gentlest way like , if let's say I needed to feel some stability , I could simply just hold onto the tree and if I just hold onto it, I'll feel the stability and let's say it was very stormy I'd pick a tree to feel safe , protected, grounded even, I could find relief in the tree, a refuge moment, a connection when all feels lost within and without and I don't know what's going on , but if I choose to go to the tree and let it help me and interact with it in a way which is out of respect and gratitude and humility and lay anything down that is trying to reason me out of just going to the tree and being with it and experiencing it , and knowing that I didn't put the tree there but I become very glad it is there. And often the other person will just naturally and without hesitation feel the freedom to talk about God and love and they are totally themselves it's totally amazing to experience. There's something that happens, I think some type of healing, and then joy , I believe that God uses trees to communicate and provide for us. I could go on. But I encourage anyone to go and find a tree and embrace it , observe it, look at it, touch its bark or feel what the branch is like in your touch , and obviously at first you might feel silly, but that's normal , and that shouldn't be something that makes you avoid the tree. No one is going to judge you , and if they do and you know about it, then they probably need it the most so guide them. Its nature. It's not even necessary to talk for it but let it do the talking, let it show you. Be open or try to look for something you appreciate about it. It's not weird. It might only be weird if you've never done it so go . It's just something else. Special. Definitely something you should do and try in your lifetime at least once ❤ you'll get a unique insight too
Hello! love the conversations. My understanding of the latter platonists (up to 600 AD) is that The idea of "now" is in Aristotle an instantaneous corporeal reflection of eternity. Hence "now" in our corporeal world would be a through- reflexion, psychologically inter-connected, with Eternity, which in itself is an incorporeal Wholeness, as you and Lucas point out. This idea of "now", as i understand it, has to do with divine imagination, the instantaneous, manifest corporeal world and the aristotelian view on "potentia"... Which, as it seems to me, is about the nature of the forming cosmos, soul, intelligence or spirit and matter-Illumination-formation, vision and image formation, which is a unity within us....
Thank you, Lucas for bringing up Karen's youngness, that was something i wanted to say to her but then i didnt because i felt shy but im glad for this because i couldn't figure out how . I thought its probably God's hand though , because its that sort of quality. Karen you are stunning!
Hi Karen and Lucas. I am loving these conversations trying to simplify Wolfgang Smith’s complex ideas. I think I finally (after much frustration) understand themeasurement problem. We can’t successfully measure something when we are at a higher ontological level than what we are measuring. My question though is this: how does knowing this solve the problem? How could it be possible to create a way of measuring that would solely exist at that quantum ontological level? Is Dr. Smith’s point more to explain why it is not possible rather than explain how to do it? The philosophical problem not the science lab problem.
I believe that Dr. Smith is explaining why the measurement problem exists. The act of measurement changes what is being measured because the entity doing the measuring necessarily becomes entangled with that which is being measured due to the fact that the measuring entity is always a level above that which is being measured. That's my understanding, but that's no guarantee of correctness.
I was saying to someone the other day how i needed to learn how to read braille and how it would probably be an extraordinary experience to then read a braille bible after i said that i was like woah 😳 where did that come from hehehe 😅 but im not closed off to that, id be interested to at least try
Thanks for the kind words, Karen ☺. Someone sent me a clip and it really made my day. Also, great conversation! I particularly liked the part where you were speaking about "The Eternal Witness": ruclips.net/video/5ft7sG7854o/видео.html
@@TheMeaningCode Yes,, I think that is there amongst other semantic valencies. Sometimes, "covenant love" or I think of it as hi-fdelity love, which starts to get close to "faith" in the NT. It's such a participatory dynamic, with God as the origin (mercy/grace) and by way of Word/Spirit cooperatively enabling/possible welling up within "to the heavens..."
If you subscribe to Quantum Field Theory, what we denote as particles are actually excitations of the quantum field. Particle is a concept that has usefulness in the computational space but they do not exist objectively. However we can accept that they exist subjectively. Ultimately we would have to determine exactly what kind of existence we are talking about. A fun intuition pump is this; particles exist just like The character of Harry Potter exists...in the story. Particles do not exist just like Harry Potter does not exist in the real world.
@@S.G.Wallner If you subscribe to quantum field theory… But if you subscribe to Wolfram’s physics, space is composed of particles, starting with one, then three, then multiplied every time Time “updates events”. I always love watching “a photon” push the little windmill, as though the “particle” of light has mass and momentum. So many mysteries.
Forgive a personal indulgence, but I giggled at the beginning of this conversation as Lucas changed his mind to say, “We’re gonna jump, no, we’re gonna walk through it slowly, not gonna jump, slow down”, just before going on to explain his thoughts on quantum physics and energy. Definitely should’ve jumped Lucas and embodied the action.🤭
As photons have no mass, they don’t experience ‘time’. Appearances are always reflections of a wider reality. I think it was Roger Penrose who on entering a room and switching on the light said “Ah! Bathed in eternity”. Or as we’ve spoken about on this channel before, and if you prefer, the beautiful doxology -“As it was in the beginning, and now, and always, and in the ages of the ages”.
Looking forward to part 3. Thank you both!
❤Bless your heart
"I don't want to lose the materialists" - wonderful! And thanks for adding the John Vervaeke clip, I've shared the same clip with Lucas in the past, I think it's very revealing
Great conversation. Because of latency, everything we sense is technically in the past. Our perceptions are a reaction to what we sense-more latency. The act of paying attention is now, and the price is our time.
this was lovely, in fact I just began to listen again. Hehehe I love the tree part . I think I can have many conversations just about trees. They need more attention. It's almost like many people forget about the trees and maybe not even notice them, or know how much the tree gives them without them even knowing it. Trees are such wonderful creations, we are in many ways, or we can be, a lot like trees. I love trees. And I love to feel their bark or try to touch its leaves or just place my hand on it as I pass by it , or stop and hold one of the branches, to feel what it feels like in my hand and yes I have hugged and helped to guide others to hug a tree , I usually do it with them using two trees right next to one another and I simply ask them what they understand from it or what they noticed about it, and I usually give the first example which is to point out how each time I recognize the stability of the tree, and how it is way stronger and more stable than me in that moment and then I try to convey something a little deeper but relevant to life and sometimes just to share or suggest to someone a concept but in the gentlest way like , if let's say I needed to feel some stability , I could simply just hold onto the tree and if I just hold onto it, I'll feel the stability and let's say it was very stormy I'd pick a tree to feel safe , protected, grounded even, I could find relief in the tree, a refuge moment, a connection when all feels lost within and without and I don't know what's going on , but if I choose to go to the tree and let it help me and interact with it in a way which is out of respect and gratitude and humility and lay anything down that is trying to reason me out of just going to the tree and being with it and experiencing it , and knowing that I didn't put the tree there but I become very glad it is there. And often the other person will just naturally and without hesitation feel the freedom to talk about God and love and they are totally themselves it's totally amazing to experience. There's something that happens, I think some type of healing, and then joy , I believe that God uses trees to communicate and provide for us. I could go on. But I encourage anyone to go and find a tree and embrace it , observe it, look at it, touch its bark or feel what the branch is like in your touch , and obviously at first you might feel silly, but that's normal , and that shouldn't be something that makes you avoid the tree. No one is going to judge you , and if they do and you know about it, then they probably need it the most so guide them. Its nature. It's not even necessary to talk for it but let it do the talking, let it show you. Be open or try to look for something you appreciate about it. It's not weird. It might only be weird if you've never done it so go . It's just something else. Special. Definitely something you should do and try in your lifetime at least once ❤ you'll get a unique insight too
Well said Dali. 👍
Hello! love the conversations. My understanding of the latter platonists (up to 600 AD) is that The idea of "now" is in Aristotle an instantaneous corporeal reflection of eternity. Hence "now" in our corporeal world would be a through- reflexion, psychologically inter-connected, with Eternity, which in itself is an incorporeal Wholeness, as you and Lucas point out. This idea of "now", as i understand it, has to do with divine imagination, the instantaneous, manifest corporeal world and the aristotelian view on "potentia"... Which, as it seems to me, is about the nature of the forming cosmos, soul, intelligence or spirit and matter-Illumination-formation, vision and image formation, which is a unity within us....
Thank you for your comment! What you're saying makes a lot of sense to me intuitively, I'm intrigued to dig deeper into this idea of 'now'.
Had so much fun with this one!! Just to correct myself, I said soma, ruach, nefesh. It should be basar instead of
soma, I mixed up Greek in there:)
Thanks for bringing up Severus Snape! People deserve to know ! 😊😅
Your parents sound like amazing people
Thank you for having this conversation 💓
Well done, Lucas.
@@brianmurphy3127 Thanks, Brian! I hope I did some justice to Wolfgang's work, I'm sure he deserves that.
Thank you, Lucas for bringing up Karen's youngness, that was something i wanted to say to her but then i didnt because i felt shy but im glad for this because i couldn't figure out how . I thought its probably God's hand though , because its that sort of quality. Karen you are stunning!
Thanks I learned much from your podcast ❤
I'm so glad!
Hi Karen and Lucas. I am loving these conversations trying to simplify Wolfgang Smith’s complex ideas. I think I finally (after much frustration) understand themeasurement problem. We can’t successfully measure something when we are at a higher ontological level than what we are measuring. My question though is this: how does knowing this solve the problem? How could it be possible to create a way of measuring that would solely exist at that quantum ontological level? Is Dr. Smith’s point more to explain why it is not possible rather than explain how to do it? The philosophical problem not the science lab problem.
I believe that Dr. Smith is explaining why the measurement problem exists. The act of measurement changes what is being measured because the entity doing the measuring necessarily becomes entangled with that which is being measured due to the fact that the measuring entity is always a level above that which is being measured. That's my understanding, but that's no guarantee of correctness.
I was saying to someone the other day how i needed to learn how to read braille and how it would probably be an extraordinary experience to then read a braille bible after i said that i was like woah 😳 where did that come from hehehe 😅 but im not closed off to that, id be interested to at least try
Yay for Action 🎉
Thanks for the kind words, Karen ☺.
Someone sent me a clip and it really made my day.
Also, great conversation!
I particularly liked the part where you were speaking about "The Eternal Witness":
ruclips.net/video/5ft7sG7854o/видео.html
I think that agape and chesed (Hebrew in the Old Testament) have a lot of semantic overlap.
I once heard that chesed is “loyal love”.
@@TheMeaningCode Yes,, I think that is there amongst other semantic valencies. Sometimes, "covenant love" or I think of it as hi-fdelity love, which starts to get close to "faith" in the NT. It's such a participatory dynamic, with God as the origin (mercy/grace) and by way of Word/Spirit cooperatively enabling/possible welling up within "to the heavens..."
.....let “C” represent Cultivation of Care,
let “A” be Attention Arena
and let “R” represent Reciprocal Relationship.
•X ( zc Rq(A ) ZC ( a)Qr zc) Y•
There are no particles. It's incredibly difficult to accept because it's so engrained in our intuition.
??? No particles? Say more.
If you subscribe to Quantum Field Theory, what we denote as particles are actually excitations of the quantum field. Particle is a concept that has usefulness in the computational space but they do not exist objectively. However we can accept that they exist subjectively. Ultimately we would have to determine exactly what kind of existence we are talking about. A fun intuition pump is this; particles exist just like The character of Harry Potter exists...in the story. Particles do not exist just like Harry Potter does not exist in the real world.
@@S.G.Wallner If you subscribe to quantum field theory… But if you subscribe to Wolfram’s physics, space is composed of particles, starting with one, then three, then multiplied every time Time “updates events”. I always love watching “a photon” push the little windmill, as though the “particle” of light has mass and momentum. So many mysteries.
I forgot to add Lucas, I’m almost certain Karen has a self portrait hidden in her attic😉