Videogame "journalists" seem not to realize that the more positive reviews they give to games that flop and the more negative reviews they give to games that are successful, the more their credibility tanks
@@semikolondevdidn't most "games journalists" say conflicting stories that Stellar Blade wouldn't sell well because sex doesn't sell anymore while also saying that it only sold so well because sex sells? And didn't those same people have a huge problem with an actually sexy female character that goes against their narrative?
@@semikolondev first off, mediocre is MILES AHEAD of what games media pushes as “good.” It’s genuinely laughable. And what about Black myth? Or are you the type of person to complain about its alleged “lack of diversity?”
@semikolondev Stellar Blade was not mediocre it was a great game which was why it was successful. It partially filled a void in the character action game genre that is sorely lacking in amazing titles. Even though it’s more of a Soulslike than a character action game, the combat was still amazing. Music was outstanding. It was one of the best performing games of 2024 with steady 60 fps, which is a rarity nowadays, and had great graphics. It had great character designs. The final 3-5 hours made it very memorable as well and were outstanding. The mediocre parts were the story, character development, and some of the samey open world environments. Overall it was good or great when you consider the sum of all its parts, but it was definitely not mediocre.
At this point I'm almost certain that the only reason why overwatch 2 was created was to remove loot boxes, remove the ability to buy new skins with earnable currency, adding a battlepass, and adding a more predatory in game shop.
That's exactly what happened. They looked over at Fortnite and got greedy. OW2 was basically a character/map update that we got all the time in OW1. The rest of the additions were just monetization. Blizzard is dead to me.
of course that was the only reason - i mean they knew at day 1 that they would scrap the PVE but still promoted it to draw in new players - shady af that´s why i don´t play that stupid game anymore
I wonder whether the "Its not fit for purpose" argument would work for that, at least thats an argument in law in the UK i think, possibly other euro countries, not sure about any other countries. Since the product has massively changed since it was purchased, to the users deficit
I can’t believe the travesty of removing OW1 from people isn’t bigger. That should have led to uproar and lawsuits. People get what they’re prepared to tolerate, I suppose.
The best part about Marvel Rivals for me that I feel is overlooked is I can actually look at the skin I bought at all times during gameplay. The concept of buying a skin in Overwatch and having it be first-person so I almost never see it has never made sense to me
@@egordon7543 For me, I prefer to look at the actual character skin I bought instead of the gun skin, which technically makes more sense for Marvel Rivals since it is less gun-specific focused
I can’t help but get the feeling that the message is “your not supposed to learn from others, your supposed to release a product and then start from square one, not, see what other products do wrong and avoid those mistakes”
Blizzard skins on their own are more expensive than 90% of Rivals skins Bundles. Blizzards standard bundles are the same price as the few premium bundles that Rivals has. Plus Rivals also has free currency you can use to get skins for free or cut the cost of how much you need to spend with premium. It's nice. Blizzard seriously needs to reduce the prices of their shit AND let people spend the free currency on store skins. Old players are just stockpiling the free currency cause we have nothing to spend it on... Old players who supported OW through all it's bullshit have literally just been shafted with OW2.
Once they admitted that the purchasable mounts in World of Warcraft were more lucrative than Starcraft 2's copies sold at the time, their decline had begun. Not to mention the unfinished money sink that was Starcraft Ghost
I think it's interesting to see how many journalists are making hit pieces against Marvel Rivals. It clearly has flaws, but saying it's worse OW2, Concord, or any other game that's flopped is insane to a point where I feel they're being paid off to say this
@@bwill123 In the end that's all they'll have left. Industry gives them free copy of a game so they can make an article that at best no one will take seriously and at worst just laugh at. While everyone who wants a valid opinion will go to their favorite streamer, youtuber, etc. and see what their opinion is
Western Game Journalists are more hostile to Japanese, South Korean and in particular Chinese game studios because it's seems Asian game studios don't play the game of kick backs to Game Journalists....as compared to Western Game Studios who see kickbacks as a quid pro quo for control marketing from Western Game Journalists. ...But Asian Game Studios seems not to see putting a budget aside for under the table gifts to Game Journalists value for money.. which is correct.
I hope this game fully kills overwatch. Devs need to be afraid that someone else can come along and do what they do but better in every way. We need more W’s like rivals.
The bad thing with this thinking is now we have the same issue as with OW2. No other game competing competently against the hero shooter. The game stops proper quality control preferably in favour of a better monitisation system. Etc.etc.etc. and now we *could have* the same issue that blizzard created with overwatch 2 by lack quality, content and mostly only fitting the most profitable monitisation system into a game and take money while the game is still turning around cash.
@@Andrei-gv8zvMore...! MORE!!! We just need more and more competition. But for right now, Marvel Rivals is built on providing a better experience, so we go with it. Overwatch didn't even start out like that. It was always kind of a scam.
yea. because they are tourists who came to be "morally correct." and if more people just completely ignored them. They'd have a ton less power. Because they live off drama and arguments like leeches lol. in fact people already ignore them. Like nobody reads their clickbait. and their journo industry has been in a painful freefall for a while.
They're getting what they deserved after backpedalling their promise for PVE and making it a microtransaction hell, hopefully it'll lead to them being permanently shut down.
seriously - I remember asking people on the OW forums why we needed OW2 after that Blizzcon announcment, it seemed way too early in the game's lifespan to have a 'sequel'. So many people shouted me down saying that the Tracer power ups looked cool, and they wanted to have the ability to choose their abilities in game etc. and do a skill tree like they were shown. Neat concepts to be sure, but clearly not far along enough in development to be worth showing off either let alone using as an excuse to replace classic OW with the new cashgrabwatch that they replaced it with. The whole OW2 loadout looked so cheap to me I honestly closed it right away, it was just too gross to even try out for a while - and when I finally bit the bullet and did for a friend, it was just... so bad. And lo and behold that PVE content and skill tree never did get added to the game, almost like it was nothing more than jangling keys for a baby to distract them from how they were getting their candy stolen.
Rivals didn’t damage overwatch. Blizzard did that. Rivals is just a good hero shooter that came out when the genre king was being kicked by blizzard while it was down.
Let’s look at the other games that came and went and failed then at the game that came and showed there is no fatigue in the genre…. Concord failed just months ago not even 4k players on launch and here we are 20 million players after 3-4 weeks… You right marvel didn’t do it, but remind me when was the last time overwatxh had these kinda numbers? What year was it? Must we go back to over watch 1? Ah we do don’t we? Shame
@@The_Rude_French_Canadian you know what's funny? Some of the overwatch crowd are demanding the same BS that has been ruining their game come to Marvel Rivals.
Ironic, considering that PoE2's microtransactions are nearly as bad as Diablo 4. $80 for a single cosmetic set. Crap like that is why nobody takes gaming seriously as an art form (that, and the fact it's just accepted that new games are always broken on release).
@@qu1253 Except POE is free to play (not the early access, but if you had your stash tabs from POE 1 they transfer them, same with cosmetics), Diablo 4 is 70euros just to even start the game. And then you have the microtransactions on top of a extremely mediocre game at best of times.
Dont feel sorry for blizzard, its not a gaming company any more, marketing took over it and now its in the gutter, i gave a lot of money to them back in the day when they were good, now i wont play any of their games even if they pay me to do so
I was planning to give OW2 a chance when the PVE would be released, cue the day they announced it's cancellation and I basically sworn off OW2 till the day I either die or the announced their end-of -service and nothing in this UNIVERSE can convince me otherwise.
Deep Rock Galactic has a great permanent battlepass feature. You can switch your season anytime and if you do any seasonal event that shows up in mission, everyone will get credit for their own selected season. For holiday events, you can do an assignment to unlock previous years' rewards and one for the current. No fomo at all. This comment initially claimed that it did them before Halo, but I was corrected: DRG didn't add this feature until this year. I just joined the rig this year so I've only known complete freedom.
@@nelsonsham2368 It is scientifically proven that any time DRG is mentioned, at least a dozen people drop everything they're doing to boot up the game just to rock and stone (and probably play a few matches).
Blizzard absolutely brought this on themselves. These out-of-touch devs still think they are highly regarded due to game titles that elevated Blizzard 10+ years ago. They refuse to acknowledge criticism from their player base then get angry when their play base inevitably leaves for one of their competitors after they realize Blizzard will continue to turn a deaf ear to their plights.
Im already done with rivals. Tired of having to roll tank every game while still having 3 dps. Game is fine. Community that plays it is what makes me uninstall
@@Typhoonflame I’d argue this is good. Overwatch got to a point where sometimes you couldn’t kill anything or you got wiped. Also i don’t believe it’s not good to force people into roles when it’s just quick play. I feel the main difference from ow and rivals is rivals is more forgiving with the 6 player teams. I’m sure my opinion will change once people become insane in this game.
As a guy who was a heavily into Blizzard at their peak, it's tough to watch. That being said, they need a hard kick in the a$$. It's obvious the lawsuits and the merger hasn't achieved what we hoped it would. Innovate or die.
I knew exactly which way the wind was blowing since that horrible launch day. I remember waiting HOURS in a buggy ass que that would kick you out, to get a chance to play. They have been doing the bare minimum the entire time and it's nice to see someone come and eat their lunch. This is why competition is important.
I still remember the announcement of Overwatch 2's PVE They had a few promises: 1) Actual campaign with talent trees 2) Overwatch 1 would still be alive, OW2 would not override it 3) Skins were transferrable between OW 1 and 2 amazing how all that was flushed so fast to try and overprice microtransactions like a mobile game. It's sad they did this. I'm not a huge fan of PvP so OW1 got old for me very quickly, but I was excited to try a Campaign story and actually play the story they were crafting with their characters. They had lightning in a bottle, and instead of capitalizing on it, they smashing it on the ground.
It's funny because if they kept OW1 around... They could have done that, all they needed to do for legal issues was disable the SHOP in OW1. Requiring players to use the OW2 store to buy the skins. The lootbox earning though? Yeah that could stay since not buying them.
I liked Overwatch 1 a little bit, but I LOVED the characters, world, the short animated videos. I was so excited for a PvE game with those same characters. I was pissed when that was shelved. I did not keep playing, I didn’t buy overwatch 2 and now I think I’ll try Rivals just to add 1 more player to numbers destroying Overwatch.
Overwatch was always gonna fail. Forced representation and inconsistent trailers. Some were very good, some trash. A lot of it retconned its own lore. It is a frankensteined franchise like RWBY. Sad it happened, but it didn't surprise me.
How about instead of bashing the objectively superior clone, they asked why the knockoff is doing so good. Its time to leave the self-fellating bubble Blizzard. No one owes you anything.
Imagine if Netease made a PVE mode for Marvel Rivals to the standard of what Blizzard had hyped for Overwatch 2 Blizzard devs will be made to commit suicide.
And the best part ? Most of OW “storyline” centered around the omnivore crisis so a pve mode would’ve been probably just been us killing hordes of bots. But for Rivals since it’s set in the marvel universe, the main enemies we get to pve against could be ANYTHING . The possibilities are limitless and I hope rivals doesn’t choke man
@@emirlerdtm6774 bro did you not read my comment ? It’s on the Marvel Universe, dooms rising is the pre season opening that rivals decided to start off the in game lore with. They can delve into other storylines and with completely different enemies. Demons, aliens, gods, simbiotes etc etc. Like I said, they have infinite possibilities to pick and choose from.
not the devs, the execs. i cant blame some of the actual talent in Blizzard, like the concept artists/skin designers/map designers/animators/3D modelers, or even some of the good devs. but the higher ups are the ones to blame, bc they prob called the shots in having PVE cancelled and wasting all of the years worth of work for the devs.
@@emirlerdtm6774what fatoushe meant was the literal robots in ow, not bot npcs, cause that’s the whole point of pve. What he meant was all the other various scenarios you could fight in
OW devs have been running around blind and clueless for years. They nearly killed OW1 with negligence and the IP was only held up by corn, but now that Rivals is out, people can actually compare Blizzard with a studio that actually knows what they're doing with a much better game
@kareemrashed7308 I should add seeing elite Tauren warchiefs patten Oswald and offspring was pretty awesome but my ex wife and I were smokers and we had out 1 yr old with us so we didn't join the other smokers we went where it wasn't crowded so we could step away from the small child... you know who else didn't smoke with everyone else.... the things we heard and that were callously joked about in front of us / with us.... the state burning crusade was in compared to when it released don't know might have to super chat the goblin king one night with how much they sandbagged because having been at the blizzcon and seeing where bc was it's shocking to me how long it took to launch.
They literally think we don’t know what we want and they decide everything for us. Im not only happy that Marvel Rivals is still alive and breathing 2 weeks after but I’m also happy that people finally realized how bad blizzard messed up with OW2 and that OW1 was something special that they messed up due to greed😔
they took away my copy of Overwatch one i payed full price in 2016 and now complain i go to their competitor that gives me a free game, a battle pass i can keep, my favorite heroes i can play and group up with and the fun and joy i had back in 2016 OW? Get rekt Blizzard, they need to get it coming after all the bts at their workspace and treatment of us players and employees.
Call it what it truely is, access media shilling for Microsoft to keep their freebies coming. Poetic justice is what I call it after what Blizzard did to NetEase with World of Warcraft.
tbf, NetEase is just as Bad of a Company as Blizzard is. Neither of them need defending. But one is pushing out a GOOD product that is consumer friendly while the other remade a game just to revamp its shop and remove Loot boxes so yeah. They definitely deserve whats happening rn for just assuming they were the "Kings of the Hero shooter genre" when the people that created that Magic that OW1 captured have long left Blizzard and now its a company basically run by Greedy CEO that will abandon ship and sell out to who has the biggest pockets
Yibarra's comparison of Black Widow and Widowmaker is just... laughable. I guess he's not knowing marvel comics well (not me either, but at least I have heard of black widow ages ago lol)
When it comes to that, I feel like he meant that both Widows primarily use sniper rifles, but like, Natasha is a f*cking spy/assassin, what esle would you give her other than a marksman weapon?!
@@polarplayz3114 Also, ironically, Natasha had a Black Widow comic titled the Widowmaker and she used a sniper rifle. That comic was released before the original Overwatch lol.
I mean, Widowmaker is a Sniper, that’s her Identity. Black Widow is a badass spy that know many languages, different identities, knows multiple types of combat, she has many different gadgets like those stun guns on her wrists and overall has so much more to offer, but she was reduced to a simple sniper character. Would’ve much rather had a different character be the sniper character, matter of fact I would’ve rather not had ANY sniper character. black widow can’t one shot enemies, Hawkeye can, make HIM the “sniper” character. Widowmaker was the source of many complaints about the game and how unhealthy it is. Sure she’s not as bad since she can’t one shot but they could’ve done more, maybe a secondary weapon option like the punisher and give her a different playstyle for the player to choose, and have the sniper as a “if we needed a one” option
i am an overwatch 1 player, been playing the game since middle school and i’m 3 years graduated from high school now. As an OW1 player Blizzard has spit in my face way too damn much for me to even consider going back. Sure i’ll go and play a few matches, but Rivals just feels like the better hero shooter so far and it’s completely Blizzard’s fault. also, lootboxes were 100% better than the new monetization, argue w me abt it
100% I like overwatch 1, I’m not even a big hero shooter fan and I’m not even a fan of marvel rivals (really, just because I’m bad at the game, I really can’t get into it because I get beat every fight I get into and that’s not the games fault) but I think as soon as overwatch removed loot boxes it removed any reason for me to play the game because it had no progression at all. Marvel rivals I can see the appeal and most of my friends play it a lot, it’s just not for me, but at least marvel rivals has an earn-able currency that you can use for skins, even if it is slow to earn. I’m pretty glad with what’s happening to blizzard, simply because I still bought overwatch 1 and had it removed from me with no compensation and I don’t know why game companies think they can get away with doing that to people who bought their games and acting like nothing happened. If anything, every skin in OW2 should have been free for those that bought the first game as compensation. I’m getting sick of game companies, constantly pushing agendas and constantly using horrible business practices. I play alot of older games now just to avoid alot of new things. The only games I’m really excited for in 2025 is kingdom come 2 and atomfall, that’s pretty much it.
The tweet from Mike Ybarra aged like milk. I am not a MP fan but Marvel Rivals caught my attention since the announcement, so far it has been incredible fun.
its amazing how ppl lost focus on what is really wrong with OW2. The shills at work did a fine job at making ppl focus on 5v5 format... If we are to trust Blizzard again, then they need to have an open apology for their disgusting actions and clearly articulate how they will not deceive us anymore. Until then, I'll never buy a blizzard game for me or my kids. I will use this as an educational session to teach my kids why they should not believe the hype. Blizzard makes me legit sick.
These companies that are developing their games almost exclusively through an HR lens are learning that the vast majority of the userbase dont want that at all. The logical response would be to adjust the product to the demand. Instead, in current year, its to attack the customers and label them with the new hot buzzwords. THEN be absolutely puzzled when it fails.
Once thing I’ve felt with Marvel Rivals, is that I can play it solo without getting too frustrated. With overwatch, I refuse to touch the game without having at least a duo
If these devs actually took the time to make good games, instead of making their games based on what restroom they use, they wouldn't have any reason to be jealous of Marvel Rivals.
Arrogance and greed is the issue with a lot of modern gaming; they try and outrun/turn on their fanbases, rather than building upon the things they like and do new to be new not because it's a working idea or concept and then get mad when their loyal fanbase that's asking for the opposite don't want what they're trying to force upon them? Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result but for some reason gaming in particular thinks it'll do something, eventually, other than tank whatever studio is doing it due to whatever greedy out of touch ceos/board big wigs are telling them too.
As someone who typically despises hero shooters i actually find Marvel Rivals to be a lot of fun. I find that the established auper heros especially their abilities really play into each other unlike overwatch i also really like the characters a lot more to like Punisher, Captain America, and Hawkeye.
I do not use game ''media'' for years. They opinion worth less than 0. Countless times they proved that they will bend over to any big company who promises some ''benefits''. Even worse some of them proved a lot that they did not even played game. Just wrote what triple trash companies asked. I usually just check after game release youtubers who actually plays and test it to see if it is worth buying. And remember folks NO PREORDERS.
I’m really curious to see how this plays out once Marvel Rivals is out of the honeymoon stage. It will be interesting to see how we feel about it after 8 years on the market like overwatch.
Well if nothing better than marvel rivals come along I am pretty sure we will feel the same. I used to play overwatch cuz that’s all we had but now we have something better..
It's a Netease game, see what happened to Naraka, Marvel Super War, Dead by daylight, Onmyoji or Identity V. Rivals will end like that games and i don't gonna defend Overwatch, but in my opinion Netease is worst than Blizzard in many aspects.
@sarenartanis1752 It depends on what group of developers are involved which means that the Developers of Marvel Rivals are awesome. Netease is the publisher unlike Blizzard who are a whole with the same Developers who fails to make games. This is why East Asia are dominating the gaming industry.
@@sarenartanis1752 I disagree, they’re maybe unplayable games from net-ease but marvel rivals is different, first is 6vs6 second it has some of my favorite heroes and third is a third person view hero shooter. Is the game marvel rivals not other failed games by netease
@@hunt7533 i disagree with you and with Ivanna. I'm not an Overwatch player or Blizzard lover or anything like that, but I was for many years a Netease client and i played their games for almost 10 years. I don't gonna blame or show criticism against Rivals as a videogame, but to Netease as a company. In one year or half they will change the monetizacion like they did with Onmyoji, Naraka and Death by daylight. You can go to forums of that games and ask there. In Naraka, in one year, the skins go from 40-50$ to 100-400$ bundles. You can ask to chinese players why they call since 2016 Pig farmers to Netease and how greedy they are with them for years and why they favored Tencent over Netease. When Ivanna say Rivals it's different i don't take seriously, not because i like Overwatch because Blizzard is worse than many companies in west. But Netease, in Asia, is the Asian Blizzard and my advice to you and Ivanna is enjoy the game before the minds behind Netease destroy Rivals because they will found a manner for do it like they did to my dear Death by Daylight.
I think the issue around role queue is an easy one to fix, simply don't add role queue, instead lay back on the dps for a while as thats the most plentiful role and arguably the most fun, instead net ease should focus more on the tank and supports, not only focusing on more character but actually making them insanly fun, fun tanks and fun supports already exist in the game, theyre just overshadowed by the enourmous dps role, once they add more fun tanks and suppports people WILL play those fun characters i can practically guarantee.
I haven't touched OW2 since marvel rivals came out. All i remember from OW2 are just bad memories from the last few months, every gaming session was miserable !! On the other hand playing MR is just pure unadulterated fun !! Even solo Que im having a blast !
5:42 Those articles are absolutely delusional. I doubt the 'journalists' played much OW or Rivals at all. They just want to jump on something trending and say something sensational for click bait
If anything rivals is overdeveloped in the little things like the way penni’s right click shoots a net wich can block so many projectiles without it being mentioned and theres so many more of these small min max mechanics
@diamondgames12 Penny is such a nuanced character. So much fun. You don't even need to know any of it to play her though, which is great design. It is not 'overdeveloped' which sounds like a con. Who would complain about nuance besides Punisher himself
@ overdeveloped does most def not HAVE to be a con granted usually it is but everything about rival is extra from pointless menu animations to small hidden characters techniques this is to me a positive thing in this game cause i think it does a great job at catering to casual audiences and more competitive focused gamers alike
As an Overwatch player, I tried and enjoyed Marvel Rivals. It feels like when I first ever picked up Overwatch 1 and that's a good thing. The same magic done right. I think Blizzard has grown far too fat (with greed) and pure lazy to want to fix the damage they have done. They can now only look back at what they should have promised long ago and see that they now have competition. They'll have to actually put EFFORT into their game (though I highly doubt they will). For many, it's far too late as Blizzard has shown how little they respect their players...but go ahead, Blizzard, release a new LGBT hero with little to no lore. That'll win the players back, right?...Right?
Games Media is on the Overwatch train because of "representation". Marvel Rivals commits the sin(in their eyes) of having heroic/sexy looking characters and doesn't promote body positivity/gender/etc/etc.
No offense, but I feel like this comment is absolutely horrendous. There is deep representation too with marvel characters. The issue is certainly not character design in this scenario. There’s literally dozens of marvel characters who have costumes/suits that rep their ethnic background (scarlet witch for example being Romani) and GwenPool(who people want to be in the game soon) is AroAce. Attractiveness sells and Overwatch 2 knows that and profits on it like with a boatload of mercy and widow skins.
@@habu_itchu7579 Yes and Marvel itself has been pushing a lot of what they see as the correct representation. The problem is that everything they are pushing in this game is those things they deem "problematic" still about Marvel and it's past. As long as Blizzard continues to bend the knee to what they want it will be the far better game in their eyes. I mean if this game didn't exist on slow news days there would likely be articles about how Widowmaker and Mercy are too made for the male gaze and there isn't enough representation like Venture. If Concord still existed they'd both be on the problematic list and Concord would be the one they held them up to.
@@TrackMediaOnly People act like Concord failed because they were 'woke', the game failed because it genuinely sucked. It was barely advertised in an appealing way, and all the character designs were boring. You can easily have an appealing design while promoting body positivity and inclusivity, its just they happened to fuck up everything. Plus people tend to forget that a massive portion of Rival's success is due to it being a recognizable IP, something Concord didn't have. Blizzard isn't failing because they're bending the knee to gamer media, they're failing because they're greedy and ignore their player base.
@@Alchemic_Spawn It did fail because they were woke. The mindset leads to decisions that will make a game fail. Games like Concord and Veil Guard are just the latest proof of that. Concord especially so.
"overwatch-like" And this is why we don't take these people seriously; Overwatch didn't define an entire genre --It wasn't even the first hero shooter. I think that would be TF2, but I'm sure it's not OW.
6:59 those both say the same thing. The first article said that they should not repeat the same mistakes. The second says they should avoid the same mistakes. They say the same thing
And yet game "journalists" wonder why they are losing their jobs at a rapid pace, they constantly have the opposite opinions of the majority of gamers. It's not rocket science.
I like the freedom of Rivals and the flexibility. I'm learning new stuff every day, like how Wolverine is a dps character that can delete tanks. Really good if you don't have a tank, you don't want to play tank, or the enemy tank is diffing your tank.
Once upon a time, during the glory days of Overwatch 1, Blizzard released frequent story cinematics as part of their marketing gimmick. Each one was incredibly memorable, highlighting each featured character's best heroic qualities, outlining their backstories, personalities and complex relationships. Year after year, fans would look forward for the next big cinematic release. I can still clearly remember the ones that featured Bastion, Hanzo and Genji, McCree and Ashe, beat for beat, word for word. Still makes me sad to know those days are long gone now....
This 100% it was what I was there for and what I enjoyed then they decided to take all that away and make it a miserable experience. Last time I played played OverWatch was horrible maybe everything truly went down hill when they started their nerfs. Mercy’s nerf was a crime then never felt the same to play her ever. Moira taking Symetra’s lock on laser that was built into her original kit only made me angry. When PvE was announced as cancelled I was disappointed and honestly thought “wtf were you doing all those years ‘working on overwatch 2’ only for us to end up with you announcing Overwatch 2 which is just Overwatch 1 but instead it’s free now”. What a slap in the face to people that bought Overwatch 1, I honestly wish it stayed the same as it did on release and the year or so we got of the glory days before it all went downhill. The old fun is now archive locked to the videos of youtubers I enjoyed watching play or shenanigans they’d do in game. Muselk was my favorite one for the old Overwatch shenanigans.
Christmas just keeps coming again and again. Overwatch 2 is a joke, it was just a way to steal people's items from the original since it isn't even playable anymore. Blizzard is getting exactly what they deserve. Ppl just need to stop giving Blizzard and Activision any money for anything, or this nonsense will never change. Marvel Rivals is a much better game in every way and I don't like Hero Shooters anymore.
All of this is much deserved in my opinion. Blizzard would have been happy sitting on their throne of lies and deceit if there wasn't going to be a worthy competitor that never showed up, but now with the introduction of Marvel Rivals to the playing field, they have to react in kind or suffer irreversible damage to their already shaky image. 🙈🙉🙊
according to what? steam charts, which is where the fewest amount of people play overwatch from? Look, having a hate boner for a crap game from a crap company is fine and all, but at least make arguments that make sense.
@@TheNatostheir point stands. A lot of Ow players are moving on to Rivals, a LOT. I played OW before OW2, and up until now it was the only game I’d play. Didn’t matter which game I played, I’d eventually just hop on OW. Rivals is the “new and cool” thing, and I agree Rivals is a lot of fun, even I think it’s better than OW. But I still enjoy playing overwatch, there hasn’t been a game that’s replicated what I personally feel. I main Genji, so I looked for other games that had me feeling the same. I tried MGR and loved it, but there’s only so much of that I could play. Ghostrunner was the closet game that offered me a close experience like Genji, but that too got boring after completing it. I recently bought the sequel and I love the gameplay, but I’m still looking for the Sword combat game. Rivals has Venom, who isn’t a sword character but I love the character nonetheless. Spiderman too
@@die_mez17 I dont care about the opinions of clueless people bro. Talking about numbers, you disagree, and your evidence is how you personally feel about both games. Completely irrelevant.
I hate that review bombing has just become a blanket term for any form of mass negative opinion on a game. It's like the last sad cope of a dev who refuses to listen.
palworld did not expose anything. Anyone with a functioning brain already knew. It was obvious the whole time. Just like with rivals V overwatch, people also knew that OW was circling the drain for years. But theres wasnt a great alternative. Now there is.
The reason why Overwatch didn't really die as a shooter was because... we had no choice. basically the rest of the games have un-goonable characters. Okay, kidding aside, cs:go requires you to aim, tf2 has too many bots, we also have cod that's too demanding for system specs, and paladins isn't marketed enough, it's like a sticky ball that doesn't stick... finally, the battle royale genre has become stagnant and tiring for many people. they crave that 10-15 min matches that they can leave, and to me, Overwatch basically monopolized that because the report system in that game is bad as well! so, yeah. Your best shooter in the decade, everyone.
as someone who does not play either OW or MR I can whole heartedly say OW had it good for way to lonmg as they had no competition, as the only game of that type they could get away with being a bad experience, NOT ANY LONGER.
I never cared for overwatch, and I fully expected to not like Marvel Rivals. Damn was i wrong, Marvel Rivals is fantastic. They obviously had some very talented people working on Marvel Rivals
Helldivers 2 didn’t have a balancing problem. Having played at launch, players are right in saying that all of the ‘balance’ changers were instead crippling anything players used and creating extremely slow and painful/frustrating meta/play experience. I loved the game, but it’s a pve game they ‘balanced’ the enjoyment out of. Thus players walking away. Trust me, I wish the game was still fun, being the main point, but their ‘balance’ took that away for many
Marvel rivals is just FUN. Something Blizzard completely forgot about when it comes to Overwatch. Adding cancerous hero after cancerous hero, making mind boggling balancing decisions etc. The classic event showed me just how much of a joke the game has become and has made me feel like Harry Potter challenging snape “how dare you stand where he stood.” (To Overwatch 2)
Marvel Rivals will only kill itself if it tries one of two things. 1.) It attempts to balance the game around a high level competitive scene. 2.) It introduces predatory microtransactions.
One reason Marvel is doing so well is because people know these characters, and the game is good you get to play you favorite characters and have fun with know agenda mix into it sweet
Rivals gives me so much nostalgia ❤ I kind of wanna play Overwatch again but why should I Rivals is better it’s what Overwatch 2 should have been and I don’t wanna give Blizzard anything for what they did to that game
Good looking characters, each feels different, playable even if i'm not a shooter player since theres melee and theres a few autoaim ones... Not to mention 3rd person so i can see my skins? Overwatch could never. They'd rather release another very meh looking characters and praise how "inclusive" it is.
I used to play Overwatch all the time and was a very high ranked healer. But as soon as they put role que in the game started to die. And as soon as they went to 5v5 I completely stopped playing
A blizzard boss claiming a character from the 60s copied their game from the 2000s… even they have to know they’re cooked if they’re grasping at those kind of straws
Meanwhile a TF2 enjoyer like me still playing it after it was released 17 years ago! Also, I still find it funny to this very day that no one is mentioning TF2 because the game has also "loot boxes" which are of course the cosmetics and war paints etc. and TF2 has been around way longer than Overwatch, but eh imma sit around and do nothing like Valve :) Wish I had a better PC so I can give Marvel Rivals a try .-.
I'm sad I paid not only for Overwatch 1, but also for 4-5 premium passes of 2 when it started, I really hated what the game became and the people that didn't see anything wrong, so I just quit for good, been having a lot of fun playing Rivals now
Overwatch has become a toxic land, predatory cash grab for people who lack the self control to spend unreasonable amounts of money on skins they can't even see while playing, only to be replaced by new skins that come out shortly after. The experience itself is mind numbing at best, lacks the same thrill and joy we used to feel back in 2016 when everyone was new to the game and it was pure chaos. This is what happens when a company continuously pisses on their community, lies to them, puts lackluster and unfinished content behind a paywall and provides little to no feeling of security and respect towards their playerbase. I'm done with Blizzard and their products, and I'm genuinely pleased to see them fall.
*Both Eurogamer and GamesRadar gave Concord better review scores than Marvel Rivals lol*
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Review scores null and void to me like Sony's expensive attempt at an Overwatch-killer
Someone paid very well for that undeserved positive review.
Bought and paid for
hug zombi shills
Eurogamer went woke before woke was even a word
Videogame "journalists" seem not to realize that the more positive reviews they give to games that flop and the more negative reviews they give to games that are successful, the more their credibility tanks
Like Stellar Blade? mediocre game but got pushed by the antiwoke on twitter as a "good game"?
@@semikolondevdidn't most "games journalists" say conflicting stories that Stellar Blade wouldn't sell well because sex doesn't sell anymore while also saying that it only sold so well because sex sells? And didn't those same people have a huge problem with an actually sexy female character that goes against their narrative?
@@semikolondev first off, mediocre is MILES AHEAD of what games media pushes as “good.” It’s genuinely laughable. And what about Black myth? Or are you the type of person to complain about its alleged “lack of diversity?”
@semikolondev Stellar Blade was not mediocre it was a great game which was why it was successful. It partially filled a void in the character action game genre that is sorely lacking in amazing titles. Even though it’s more of a Soulslike than a character action game, the combat was still amazing. Music was outstanding. It was one of the best performing games of 2024 with steady 60 fps, which is a rarity nowadays, and had great graphics. It had great character designs. The final 3-5 hours made it very memorable as well and were outstanding. The mediocre parts were the story, character development, and some of the samey open world environments. Overall it was good or great when you consider the sum of all its parts, but it was definitely not mediocre.
@@semikolondevyou lost
At this point I'm almost certain that the only reason why overwatch 2 was created was to remove loot boxes, remove the ability to buy new skins with earnable currency, adding a battlepass, and adding a more predatory in game shop.
That's exactly what happened. They looked over at Fortnite and got greedy. OW2 was basically a character/map update that we got all the time in OW1. The rest of the additions were just monetization. Blizzard is dead to me.
I thought that was obvious?
of course that was the only reason - i mean they knew at day 1 that they would scrap the PVE but still promoted it to draw in new players - shady af that´s why i don´t play that stupid game anymore
No it was a fresh coat of paint to release a PVE campaign they promised to deliver but fantastically failed, the incompetence
Sounds about right to me
I paid money for Overwatch 1 when it first came out and I can't even play that same game anymore. When is the class action lawsuit coming?
I gave up on it last year.
I wonder whether the "Its not fit for purpose" argument would work for that, at least thats an argument in law in the UK i think, possibly other euro countries, not sure about any other countries. Since the product has massively changed since it was purchased, to the users deficit
You don't buy a blizzard game, you pay for a service license, and that service can end at anytime.
I can’t believe the travesty of removing OW1 from people isn’t bigger. That should have led to uproar and lawsuits. People get what they’re prepared to tolerate, I suppose.
Same with netease @@mlenz2553
The best part about Marvel Rivals for me that I feel is overlooked is I can actually look at the skin I bought at all times during gameplay. The concept of buying a skin in Overwatch and having it be first-person so I almost never see it has never made sense to me
Because in OW the idea is that you get to flex your skin on other players, which also pushes prices higher.
@ I get we want to flex but not being able to see my own skin definitely feels like a missed opportunity
@@ContentThatMakesMeContentjust emote basically, I mainly buy skins for the gun change
@@egordon7543 For me, I prefer to look at the actual character skin I bought instead of the gun skin, which technically makes more sense for Marvel Rivals since it is less gun-specific focused
@@vewyscawymonstaYou realize that people can see your skin rivals as well?
All skins in all games are inherently a flex.
The stats don't lie...
Sometimes I feel like game journalists wants to yell at gamers "Stop enjoying this game that we are not pushing"...
They say it out loud. Hence the "uhm I kinda hate gamers" articles
Good thing no one is listening
Right? All I hear is "W-wait, I'm not being paid to shill that game though!" in their 'critique'; it's absolutely pathetic.
They are literally the mouth pieces of the big publishers. They write friendly reviews so that they keep access to the publishers games. Quid pro quo
I can’t help but get the feeling that the message is “your not supposed to learn from others, your supposed to release a product and then start from square one, not, see what other products do wrong and avoid those mistakes”
It's sad that even a Chinese company like Netease is more consumer friendly than Blizzard.
which I personally find hilarious given blizzards past attempts to appeal to china
For now, maybe they just want to attract attention then when there is a big playerbase whatever they make or release next will be more predatory.
I'm remembering Netease had a bad breakup with Blizzard as well. It seems not only gamers remember, Netease got burned by blizzard as well.
which is quite ironic considering NetEase was basically china blizzard from 2008-2023
Blizzard skins on their own are more expensive than 90% of Rivals skins Bundles.
Blizzards standard bundles are the same price as the few premium bundles that Rivals has.
Plus Rivals also has free currency you can use to get skins for free or cut the cost of how much you need to spend with premium. It's nice.
Blizzard seriously needs to reduce the prices of their shit AND let people spend the free currency on store skins. Old players are just stockpiling the free currency cause we have nothing to spend it on... Old players who supported OW through all it's bullshit have literally just been shafted with OW2.
Blizzard did this to themselves. No one else to blame but themselves
Once they admitted that the purchasable mounts in World of Warcraft were more lucrative than Starcraft 2's copies sold at the time, their decline had begun.
Not to mention the unfinished money sink that was Starcraft Ghost
*warcraft adventures lord of clans* : First time huh ghost?
Literally cause what the actual fuck were they thinking these past couple of years?
I think it's interesting to see how many journalists are making hit pieces against Marvel Rivals. It clearly has flaws, but saying it's worse OW2, Concord, or any other game that's flopped is insane to a point where I feel they're being paid off to say this
It's all about maintaining their access in the industry in my opinion. they don't want to be just another blogger or youtuber.
Well Rivals is not woke. There is the problem
@@bwill123They can’t be a RUclipsr or blogger. If they left their positions at their jobs, they’d immediately lose all relevance.
@@bwill123 In the end that's all they'll have left. Industry gives them free copy of a game so they can make an article that at best no one will take seriously and at worst just laugh at. While everyone who wants a valid opinion will go to their favorite streamer, youtuber, etc. and see what their opinion is
Western Game Journalists are more hostile to Japanese, South Korean and in particular Chinese game studios because it's seems Asian game studios don't play the game of kick backs to Game Journalists....as compared to Western Game Studios who see kickbacks as a quid pro quo for control marketing from Western Game Journalists. ...But Asian Game Studios seems not to see putting a budget aside for under the table gifts to Game Journalists value for money.. which is correct.
I hope this game fully kills overwatch. Devs need to be afraid that someone else can come along and do what they do but better in every way. We need more W’s like rivals.
This Chinese companies put every other company on a 6 year plan.
Isn't one first person and one third person
The bad thing with this thinking is now we have the same issue as with OW2. No other game competing competently against the hero shooter. The game stops proper quality control preferably in favour of a better monitisation system. Etc.etc.etc. and now we *could have* the same issue that blizzard created with overwatch 2 by lack quality, content and mostly only fitting the most profitable monitisation system into a game and take money while the game is still turning around cash.
@@Andrei-gv8zvMore...! MORE!!! We just need more and more competition. But for right now, Marvel Rivals is built on providing a better experience, so we go with it. Overwatch didn't even start out like that. It was always kind of a scam.
And then, they run to the government with lobby money, thats just my conspiracy anyway.
The same people saying rivals sucks also said concord was a good game...
yea. because they are tourists who came to be "morally correct." and if more people just completely ignored them. They'd have a ton less power. Because they live off drama and arguments like leeches lol. in fact people already ignore them. Like nobody reads their clickbait. and their journo industry has been in a painful freefall for a while.
Same same
Who said concord was good ? Literally never saw that
@@Leftistmushroom look up the game journalist reviews of concord
@@Leftistmushroom Nobody, but people need a convenient group to bash.
They're getting what they deserved after backpedalling their promise for PVE and making it a microtransaction hell, hopefully it'll lead to them being permanently shut down.
Not to even mention horrible balance decisions, even worse matchmaker and overall dumbing down of the characters. Everything in ow is rotten
As long as people pay, they won't go under. Simple fuckin as
seriously - I remember asking people on the OW forums why we needed OW2 after that Blizzcon announcment, it seemed way too early in the game's lifespan to have a 'sequel'. So many people shouted me down saying that the Tracer power ups looked cool, and they wanted to have the ability to choose their abilities in game etc. and do a skill tree like they were shown. Neat concepts to be sure, but clearly not far along enough in development to be worth showing off either let alone using as an excuse to replace classic OW with the new cashgrabwatch that they replaced it with. The whole OW2 loadout looked so cheap to me I honestly closed it right away, it was just too gross to even try out for a while - and when I finally bit the bullet and did for a friend, it was just... so bad. And lo and behold that PVE content and skill tree never did get added to the game, almost like it was nothing more than jangling keys for a baby to distract them from how they were getting their candy stolen.
YUP at least before you could EARN the skins by playing weekly, sure they were in lootboxes.. BUT you didn't need to buy them.
Imagine if Marvel Rivals releases a PvE mode
Rivals didn’t damage overwatch. Blizzard did that. Rivals is just a good hero shooter that came out when the genre king was being kicked by blizzard while it was down.
indeed. its laughable to imply its rivals doing when people have been complaining about OW for YEARS
Let’s look at the other games that came and went and failed then at the game that came and showed there is no fatigue in the genre…. Concord failed just months ago not even 4k players on launch and here we are 20 million players after 3-4 weeks…
You right marvel didn’t do it, but remind me when was the last time overwatxh had these kinda numbers? What year was it? Must we go back to over watch 1? Ah we do don’t we? Shame
@@quevogreen Blizzard literally fumbling hard they decided to release OW1 patch as a mode too obviously late just to compete
I played Marvels rivals for the first time yesterday and played about 40 games without turning it off. This game is amazing 🤩
It gets old fast.
@@Joe-ti7qdNope. Still playing it everyday. Go play Overwatch if it’s so great I don’t understand why you’re being annoying about Rivals…
@@Joe-ti7qd speak for yourself
@@The_Rude_French_Canadian you know what's funny? Some of the overwatch crowd are demanding the same BS that has been ruining their game come to Marvel Rivals.
@@Joe-ti7qd then go play Overwatch.
They lost me twice because I’m playing rivals and path of exile 2 both games are shutting blizzard down lol
Ironic, considering that PoE2's microtransactions are nearly as bad as Diablo 4. $80 for a single cosmetic set. Crap like that is why nobody takes gaming seriously as an art form (that, and the fact it's just accepted that new games are always broken on release).
@@qu1253you're referring to mediocre AAA, right? Not the actual AAA innovators and the risk takers in indie?
@@qu1253 Except POE is free to play (not the early access, but if you had your stash tabs from POE 1 they transfer them, same with cosmetics), Diablo 4 is 70euros just to even start the game. And then you have the microtransactions on top of a extremely mediocre game at best of times.
Poe2 is cheeks aswell
@@ynnad7778 Nobody is exempt from criticism. Again, PoE2's microtransactions are almost as bad as Diablo 4, but nobody bats an eyelash.
Dont feel sorry for blizzard, its not a gaming company any more, marketing took over it and now its in the gutter, i gave a lot of money to them back in the day when they were good, now i wont play any of their games even if they pay me to do so
I stopped supporting Blizzard a long time ago during the Blitzcheung dibacle and they’ve only gotten worse each and every year.
I was planning to give OW2 a chance when the PVE would be released, cue the day they announced it's cancellation and I basically sworn off OW2 till the day I either die or the announced their end-of -service and nothing in this UNIVERSE can convince me otherwise.
Deep Rock Galactic has a great permanent battlepass feature. You can switch your season anytime and if you do any seasonal event that shows up in mission, everyone will get credit for their own selected season. For holiday events, you can do an assignment to unlock previous years' rewards and one for the current. No fomo at all.
This comment initially claimed that it did them before Halo, but I was corrected: DRG didn't add this feature until this year. I just joined the rig this year so I've only known complete freedom.
DRG mentioned, Rock and Stone Brother
@nelsonsham2368 FOR KARL!
Halo Mcc came out before Deep Rock Galactic and Halo already had their permanent battle pass implemented before 2020 when DRG released.
@Gr3atWhiteHop3 Wasn't their first permanent battlepass in winter of 2021?
@@nelsonsham2368 It is scientifically proven that any time DRG is mentioned, at least a dozen people drop everything they're doing to boot up the game just to rock and stone (and probably play a few matches).
Blizzard absolutely brought this on themselves. These out-of-touch devs still think they are highly regarded due to game titles that elevated Blizzard 10+ years ago. They refuse to acknowledge criticism from their player base then get angry when their play base inevitably leaves for one of their competitors after they realize Blizzard will continue to turn a deaf ear to their plights.
People want to have fun, let Blizzard deal with it themselves they deserve it.
Rivals DOES NOT need role queue.
If you’re too stubborn to swap off dps you deserve to lose. And I’ll get free rank when I play against you
Im already done with rivals. Tired of having to roll tank every game while still having 3 dps. Game is fine. Community that plays it is what makes me uninstall
Exactly.
It's not about that, I mained Strategists...but I couldn't soloheal every game when everyone wanted to play DPS in my games lol
This is the same path overwatch 2 took. Listened too much to the losers. And tried to make winners out of losers.
@@Typhoonflame I’d argue this is good. Overwatch got to a point where sometimes you couldn’t kill anything or you got wiped. Also i don’t believe it’s not good to force people into roles when it’s just quick play. I feel the main difference from ow and rivals is rivals is more forgiving with the 6 player teams. I’m sure my opinion will change once people become insane in this game.
Games media basically only exists to help their friends' games succeed and to try and tank games that don't fit their agenda.
As a guy who was a heavily into Blizzard at their peak, it's tough to watch. That being said, they need a hard kick in the a$$. It's obvious the lawsuits and the merger hasn't achieved what we hoped it would. Innovate or die.
I knew exactly which way the wind was blowing since that horrible launch day. I remember waiting HOURS in a buggy ass que that would kick you out, to get a chance to play. They have been doing the bare minimum the entire time and it's nice to see someone come and eat their lunch. This is why competition is important.
FAX
Competition finally arrives for overwatch and they can feel it hard now since people are not happy with overwatch and their decisions.
I still remember the announcement of Overwatch 2's PVE
They had a few promises:
1) Actual campaign with talent trees
2) Overwatch 1 would still be alive, OW2 would not override it
3) Skins were transferrable between OW 1 and 2
amazing how all that was flushed so fast to try and overprice microtransactions like a mobile game.
It's sad they did this. I'm not a huge fan of PvP so OW1 got old for me very quickly, but I was excited to try a Campaign story and actually play the story they were crafting with their characters.
They had lightning in a bottle, and instead of capitalizing on it, they smashing it on the ground.
It's funny because if they kept OW1 around... They could have done that, all they needed to do for legal issues was disable the SHOP in OW1. Requiring players to use the OW2 store to buy the skins. The lootbox earning though? Yeah that could stay since not buying them.
I liked Overwatch 1 a little bit, but I LOVED the characters, world, the short animated videos. I was so excited for a PvE game with those same characters.
I was pissed when that was shelved. I did not keep playing, I didn’t buy overwatch 2 and now I think I’ll try Rivals just to add 1 more player to numbers destroying Overwatch.
Overwatch is fumbling but i did keep most of mt skins altho some were bot there like police officer dva was gone but bumble bee dva was still there
Overwatch was always gonna fail. Forced representation and inconsistent trailers. Some were very good, some trash. A lot of it retconned its own lore. It is a frankensteined franchise like RWBY. Sad it happened, but it didn't surprise me.
@@EchoDoctrineGet into Rivals and Valorant. Help every opposition get more players. Overwatch deserves it.
How about instead of bashing the objectively superior clone, they asked why the knockoff is doing so good. Its time to leave the self-fellating bubble Blizzard. No one owes you anything.
Imagine if Netease made a PVE mode for Marvel Rivals to the standard of what Blizzard had hyped for Overwatch 2 Blizzard devs will be made to commit suicide.
And the best part ? Most of OW “storyline” centered around the omnivore crisis so a pve mode would’ve been probably just been us killing hordes of bots. But for Rivals since it’s set in the marvel universe, the main enemies we get to pve against could be ANYTHING . The possibilities are limitless and I hope rivals doesn’t choke man
@@xfatoushe-6908Yeah, but its still is beating up bots at its core lol. Have you seen those 2099 Doom bots?
@@emirlerdtm6774 bro did you not read my comment ? It’s on the Marvel Universe, dooms rising is the pre season opening that rivals decided to start off the in game lore with. They can delve into other storylines and with completely different enemies. Demons, aliens, gods, simbiotes etc etc. Like I said, they have infinite possibilities to pick and choose from.
not the devs, the execs. i cant blame some of the actual talent in Blizzard, like the concept artists/skin designers/map designers/animators/3D modelers, or even some of the good devs. but the higher ups are the ones to blame, bc they prob called the shots in having PVE cancelled and wasting all of the years worth of work for the devs.
@@emirlerdtm6774what fatoushe meant was the literal robots in ow, not bot npcs, cause that’s the whole point of pve. What he meant was all the other various scenarios you could fight in
OW devs have been running around blind and clueless for years. They nearly killed OW1 with negligence and the IP was only held up by corn, but now that Rivals is out, people can actually compare Blizzard with a studio that actually knows what they're doing with a much better game
It also has a fresh new corn harvest, which has taken people away from the overwatch corn production.
@DeityFox4 exactly, OW corn was getting old anyway
funny how the OW corns are the only thing that keeps the game itself relevant in anyway nowadays. OW is hanging on R34 for survival
I hope the creators of Rivals make more games like this. Like games with cool character designs so no one ever opens OW corn ever again.
At this point I'm convinced blizzard just hates fun and it's fan base
You hit the nail on the head with that comment.👍👌
Been saying this ever since the first blizzcon
@kareemrashed7308 I should add seeing elite Tauren warchiefs patten Oswald and offspring was pretty awesome but my ex wife and I were smokers and we had out 1 yr old with us so we didn't join the other smokers we went where it wasn't crowded so we could step away from the small child... you know who else didn't smoke with everyone else.... the things we heard and that were callously joked about in front of us / with us.... the state burning crusade was in compared to when it released don't know might have to super chat the goblin king one night with how much they sandbagged because having been at the blizzcon and seeing where bc was it's shocking to me how long it took to launch.
They literally think we don’t know what we want and they decide everything for us. Im not only happy that Marvel Rivals is still alive and breathing 2 weeks after but I’m also happy that people finally realized how bad blizzard messed up with OW2 and that OW1 was something special that they messed up due to greed😔
its more that pursuing profit above all leads to killing what makes something enjoyable.
they took away my copy of Overwatch one i payed full price in 2016 and now complain i go to their competitor that gives me a free game, a battle pass i can keep, my favorite heroes i can play and group up with and the fun and joy i had back in 2016 OW? Get rekt Blizzard, they need to get it coming after all the bts at their workspace and treatment of us players and employees.
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Why does anyone read reviews from non gamers?
Pretty sure those reviews are not for gamers but investors.
I’m more curious why media like Times thinks anyone gives a crap what they think GOTY is.
I've seen game journalist complain that Lego Batman the videogame was too hard
Call it what it truely is, access media shilling for Microsoft to keep their freebies coming.
Poetic justice is what I call it after what Blizzard did to NetEase with World of Warcraft.
tbf, NetEase is just as Bad of a Company as Blizzard is. Neither of them need defending. But one is pushing out a GOOD product that is consumer friendly while the other remade a game just to revamp its shop and remove Loot boxes so yeah. They definitely deserve whats happening rn for just assuming they were the "Kings of the Hero shooter genre" when the people that created that Magic that OW1 captured have long left Blizzard and now its a company basically run by Greedy CEO that will abandon ship and sell out to who has the biggest pockets
Yibarra's comparison of Black Widow and Widowmaker is just... laughable. I guess he's not knowing marvel comics well (not me either, but at least I have heard of black widow ages ago lol)
When it comes to that, I feel like he meant that both Widows primarily use sniper rifles, but like, Natasha is a f*cking spy/assassin, what esle would you give her other than a marksman weapon?!
@@polarplayz3114 Also, ironically, Natasha had a Black Widow comic titled the Widowmaker and she used a sniper rifle. That comic was released before the original Overwatch lol.
What really funny is Ybarra has nothing to do with Widowmaker either I mean he only join Blizzard as boss in 2021.
@@polarplayz3114 I still find it funny given things like Torbjorns turret, the original design seemed familiar, can put my sentry on it.
I mean, Widowmaker is a Sniper, that’s her Identity. Black Widow is a badass spy that know many languages, different identities, knows multiple types of combat, she has many different gadgets like those stun guns on her wrists and overall has so much more to offer, but she was reduced to a simple sniper character. Would’ve much rather had a different character be the sniper character, matter of fact I would’ve rather not had ANY sniper character. black widow can’t one shot enemies, Hawkeye can, make HIM the “sniper” character. Widowmaker was the source of many complaints about the game and how unhealthy it is. Sure she’s not as bad since she can’t one shot but they could’ve done more, maybe a secondary weapon option like the punisher and give her a different playstyle for the player to choose, and have the sniper as a “if we needed a one” option
If Marvel Rivals comes out with a story PvE mode, that would be the nail on the coffin
They keep claiming Marvel Rivals is a cheap clone. NO! It is the upgrade that Overwatch 2 FAILED to be.
When they killed OW1 and lied about OW2, I knew all it as gonna take was one good, solid competitor n they were gonna go down HARD.
i am an overwatch 1 player, been playing the game since middle school and i’m 3 years graduated from high school now. As an OW1 player Blizzard has spit in my face way too damn much for me to even consider going back. Sure i’ll go and play a few matches, but Rivals just feels like the better hero shooter so far and it’s completely Blizzard’s fault.
also, lootboxes were 100% better than the new monetization, argue w me abt it
100% I like overwatch 1, I’m not even a big hero shooter fan and I’m not even a fan of marvel rivals (really, just because I’m bad at the game, I really can’t get into it because I get beat every fight I get into and that’s not the games fault) but I think as soon as overwatch removed loot boxes it removed any reason for me to play the game because it had no progression at all. Marvel rivals I can see the appeal and most of my friends play it a lot, it’s just not for me, but at least marvel rivals has an earn-able currency that you can use for skins, even if it is slow to earn. I’m pretty glad with what’s happening to blizzard, simply because I still bought overwatch 1 and had it removed from me with no compensation and I don’t know why game companies think they can get away with doing that to people who bought their games and acting like nothing happened. If anything, every skin in OW2 should have been free for those that bought the first game as compensation. I’m getting sick of game companies, constantly pushing agendas and constantly using horrible business practices. I play alot of older games now just to avoid alot of new things. The only games I’m really excited for in 2025 is kingdom come 2 and atomfall, that’s pretty much it.
Watch blizzard go even hard on the mtx. Their greed is bottomless!
0:27 that user should be up there with honors along with the Out of Season April Fools Joke guy for calling out Blizzard’s stupidity!!!
The tweet from Mike Ybarra aged like milk. I am not a MP fan but Marvel Rivals caught my attention since the announcement, so far it has been incredible fun.
its amazing how ppl lost focus on what is really wrong with OW2. The shills at work did a fine job at making ppl focus on 5v5 format...
If we are to trust Blizzard again, then they need to have an open apology for their disgusting actions and clearly articulate how they will not deceive us anymore. Until then, I'll never buy a blizzard game for me or my kids. I will use this as an educational session to teach my kids why they should not believe the hype.
Blizzard makes me legit sick.
These companies that are developing their games almost exclusively through an HR lens are learning that the vast majority of the userbase dont want that at all. The logical response would be to adjust the product to the demand. Instead, in current year, its to attack the customers and label them with the new hot buzzwords. THEN be absolutely puzzled when it fails.
Exactly, ignorance is bliss I guess, but it also shows how completely out of touch Blizzard and other studios like them are.
they are getting mogged POE 2 was brutal too, we just need an mmo to finish wow
XIV came pretty close tbh
Once thing I’ve felt with Marvel Rivals, is that I can play it solo without getting too frustrated. With overwatch, I refuse to touch the game without having at least a duo
If these devs actually took the time to make good games, instead of making their games based on what restroom they use, they wouldn't have any reason to be jealous of Marvel Rivals.
Crazy how a game focused on delivering a fun experience with fan service would be successful, who would have thought
Arrogance and greed is the issue with a lot of modern gaming; they try and outrun/turn on their fanbases, rather than building upon the things they like and do new to be new not because it's a working idea or concept and then get mad when their loyal fanbase that's asking for the opposite don't want what they're trying to force upon them? Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result but for some reason gaming in particular thinks it'll do something, eventually, other than tank whatever studio is doing it due to whatever greedy out of touch ceos/board big wigs are telling them too.
As someone who typically despises hero shooters i actually find Marvel Rivals to be a lot of fun. I find that the established auper heros especially their abilities really play into each other unlike overwatch i also really like the characters a lot more to like Punisher, Captain America, and Hawkeye.
Yes, most Overwatch characters look like Tumblr/DeviantArt OCs. Marvel Rivals seems more like an actual IP.
I do not use game ''media'' for years. They opinion worth less than 0. Countless times they proved that they will bend over to any big company who promises some ''benefits''. Even worse some of them proved a lot that they did not even played game. Just wrote what triple trash companies asked. I usually just check after game release youtubers who actually plays and test it to see if it is worth buying. And remember folks NO PREORDERS.
I’m really curious to see how this plays out once Marvel Rivals is out of the honeymoon stage. It will be interesting to see how we feel about it after 8 years on the market like overwatch.
Well if nothing better than marvel rivals come along I am pretty sure we will feel the same. I used to play overwatch cuz that’s all we had but now we have something better..
It's a Netease game, see what happened to Naraka, Marvel Super War, Dead by daylight, Onmyoji or Identity V. Rivals will end like that games and i don't gonna defend Overwatch, but in my opinion Netease is worst than Blizzard in many aspects.
@sarenartanis1752 It depends on what group of developers are involved which means that the Developers of Marvel Rivals are awesome. Netease is the publisher unlike Blizzard who are a whole with the same Developers who fails to make games. This is why East Asia are dominating the gaming industry.
@@sarenartanis1752 I disagree, they’re maybe unplayable games from net-ease but marvel rivals is different, first is 6vs6 second it has some of my favorite heroes and third is a third person view hero shooter. Is the game marvel rivals not other failed games by netease
@@hunt7533 i disagree with you and with Ivanna. I'm not an Overwatch player or Blizzard lover or anything like that, but I was for many years a Netease client and i played their games for almost 10 years. I don't gonna blame or show criticism against Rivals as a videogame, but to Netease as a company.
In one year or half they will change the monetizacion like they did with Onmyoji, Naraka and Death by daylight. You can go to forums of that games and ask there. In Naraka, in one year, the skins go from 40-50$ to 100-400$ bundles.
You can ask to chinese players why they call since 2016 Pig farmers to Netease and how greedy they are with them for years and why they favored Tencent over Netease.
When Ivanna say Rivals it's different i don't take seriously, not because i like Overwatch because Blizzard is worse than many companies in west. But Netease, in Asia, is the Asian Blizzard and my advice to you and Ivanna is enjoy the game before the minds behind Netease destroy Rivals because they will found a manner for do it like they did to my dear Death by Daylight.
I think the issue around role queue is an easy one to fix,
simply don't add role queue, instead lay back on the dps for a while as thats the most plentiful role and arguably the most fun, instead net ease should focus more on the tank and supports, not only focusing on more character but actually making them insanly fun, fun tanks and fun supports already exist in the game, theyre just overshadowed by the enourmous dps role, once they add more fun tanks and suppports people WILL play those fun characters i can practically guarantee.
I haven't touched OW2 since marvel rivals came out. All i remember from OW2 are just bad memories from the last few months, every gaming session was miserable !! On the other hand playing MR is just pure unadulterated fun !! Even solo Que im having a blast !
5:42 Those articles are absolutely delusional. I doubt the 'journalists' played much OW or Rivals at all. They just want to jump on something trending and say something sensational for click bait
If anything rivals is overdeveloped in the little things like the way penni’s right click shoots a net wich can block so many projectiles without it being mentioned and theres so many more of these small min max mechanics
@diamondgames12 Penny is such a nuanced character. So much fun. You don't even need to know any of it to play her though, which is great design. It is not 'overdeveloped' which sounds like a con. Who would complain about nuance besides Punisher himself
@ overdeveloped does most def not HAVE to be a con granted usually it is but everything about rival is extra from pointless menu animations to small hidden characters techniques this is to me a positive thing in this game cause i think it does a great job at catering to casual audiences and more competitive focused gamers alike
@@diamondgames12 You have a very odd way of wording things you like
@@reecenaidu6020 enlish my third language shit doenst always sound right
As a Venture main in OW, the treatment of the character alone got me petty enough to switch over completely to MR. I just wish MR could adopt Venture.
Yeah, those outlets hate Marvel Rivals because NetEase is not part of their gravy train.
As an Overwatch player, I tried and enjoyed Marvel Rivals. It feels like when I first ever picked up Overwatch 1 and that's a good thing. The same magic done right. I think Blizzard has grown far too fat (with greed) and pure lazy to want to fix the damage they have done. They can now only look back at what they should have promised long ago and see that they now have competition. They'll have to actually put EFFORT into their game (though I highly doubt they will). For many, it's far too late as Blizzard has shown how little they respect their players...but go ahead, Blizzard, release a new LGBT hero with little to no lore. That'll win the players back, right?...Right?
I will never forgive blizzard for selling a battle pass to players and we don't receive it until they felt like giving it to us
Games Media is on the Overwatch train because of "representation". Marvel Rivals commits the sin(in their eyes) of having heroic/sexy looking characters and doesn't promote body positivity/gender/etc/etc.
Overwatch not being sexy?? What are you smoking. Relax and stop trying to force a connection to your hatred of minorities, there's really no need.
No offense, but I feel like this comment is absolutely horrendous. There is deep representation too with marvel characters. The issue is certainly not character design in this scenario. There’s literally dozens of marvel characters who have costumes/suits that rep their ethnic background (scarlet witch for example being Romani) and GwenPool(who people want to be in the game soon) is AroAce. Attractiveness sells and Overwatch 2 knows that and profits on it like with a boatload of mercy and widow skins.
@@habu_itchu7579 Yes and Marvel itself has been pushing a lot of what they see as the correct representation. The problem is that everything they are pushing in this game is those things they deem "problematic" still about Marvel and it's past. As long as Blizzard continues to bend the knee to what they want it will be the far better game in their eyes. I mean if this game didn't exist on slow news days there would likely be articles about how Widowmaker and Mercy are too made for the male gaze and there isn't enough representation like Venture.
If Concord still existed they'd both be on the problematic list and Concord would be the one they held them up to.
@@TrackMediaOnly People act like Concord failed because they were 'woke', the game failed because it genuinely sucked. It was barely advertised in an appealing way, and all the character designs were boring. You can easily have an appealing design while promoting body positivity and inclusivity, its just they happened to fuck up everything. Plus people tend to forget that a massive portion of Rival's success is due to it being a recognizable IP, something Concord didn't have.
Blizzard isn't failing because they're bending the knee to gamer media, they're failing because they're greedy and ignore their player base.
@@Alchemic_Spawn It did fail because they were woke. The mindset leads to decisions that will make a game fail. Games like Concord and Veil Guard are just the latest proof of that. Concord especially so.
"overwatch-like"
And this is why we don't take these people seriously; Overwatch didn't define an entire genre --It wasn't even the first hero shooter. I think that would be TF2, but I'm sure it's not OW.
Poor TF2 always gets forgotten. OW is just gooner bait with Tumblr OCs.
Halo MP was awesome without role queue. You definitely dont need to handcuff people into roles for a fun gameplay experience.
Journalists will tell you Marvel Rivals suck and then try to sell you on the She Hulk seriee from Disney, saying it's a masterpiece.
6:59 those both say the same thing. The first article said that they should not repeat the same mistakes. The second says they should avoid the same mistakes. They say the same thing
And yet game "journalists" wonder why they are losing their jobs at a rapid pace, they constantly have the opposite opinions of the majority of gamers. It's not rocket science.
I like the freedom of Rivals and the flexibility. I'm learning new stuff every day, like how Wolverine is a dps character that can delete tanks. Really good if you don't have a tank, you don't want to play tank, or the enemy tank is diffing your tank.
Rivals is nice to see alot of survivable melee flank characters
Once upon a time, during the glory days of Overwatch 1, Blizzard released frequent story cinematics as part of their marketing gimmick. Each one was incredibly memorable, highlighting each featured character's best heroic qualities, outlining their backstories, personalities and complex relationships. Year after year, fans would look forward for the next big cinematic release. I can still clearly remember the ones that featured Bastion, Hanzo and Genji, McCree and Ashe, beat for beat, word for word. Still makes me sad to know those days are long gone now....
This 100% it was what I was there for and what I enjoyed then they decided to take all that away and make it a miserable experience. Last time I played played OverWatch was horrible maybe everything truly went down hill when they started their nerfs. Mercy’s nerf was a crime then never felt the same to play her ever. Moira taking Symetra’s lock on laser that was built into her original kit only made me angry. When PvE was announced as cancelled I was disappointed and honestly thought “wtf were you doing all those years ‘working on overwatch 2’ only for us to end up with you announcing Overwatch 2 which is just Overwatch 1 but instead it’s free now”. What a slap in the face to people that bought Overwatch 1, I honestly wish it stayed the same as it did on release and the year or so we got of the glory days before it all went downhill. The old fun is now archive locked to the videos of youtubers I enjoyed watching play or shenanigans they’d do in game. Muselk was my favorite one for the old Overwatch shenanigans.
Christmas just keeps coming again and again. Overwatch 2 is a joke, it was just a way to steal people's items from the original since it isn't even playable anymore. Blizzard is getting exactly what they deserve. Ppl just need to stop giving Blizzard and Activision any money for anything, or this nonsense will never change. Marvel Rivals is a much better game in every way and I don't like Hero Shooters anymore.
All of this is much deserved in my opinion. Blizzard would have been happy sitting on their throne of lies and deceit if there wasn't going to be a worthy competitor that never showed up, but now with the introduction of Marvel Rivals to the playing field, they have to react in kind or suffer irreversible damage to their already shaky image. 🙈🙉🙊
30,000 peak 24 hr players for overwatch
375,000 peak 24 hr players in rivals 😂😂😂😂 get bent blizzard
according to what? steam charts, which is where the fewest amount of people play overwatch from?
Look, having a hate boner for a crap game from a crap company is fine and all, but at least make arguments that make sense.
@@TheNatostheir point stands. A lot of Ow players are moving on to Rivals, a LOT. I played OW before OW2, and up until now it was the only game I’d play. Didn’t matter which game I played, I’d eventually just hop on OW. Rivals is the “new and cool” thing, and I agree Rivals is a lot of fun, even I think it’s better than OW. But I still enjoy playing overwatch, there hasn’t been a game that’s replicated what I personally feel. I main Genji, so I looked for other games that had me feeling the same. I tried MGR and loved it, but there’s only so much of that I could play. Ghostrunner was the closet game that offered me a close experience like Genji, but that too got boring after completing it. I recently bought the sequel and I love the gameplay, but I’m still looking for the Sword combat game. Rivals has Venom, who isn’t a sword character but I love the character nonetheless. Spiderman too
@@die_mez17 I dont care about the opinions of clueless people bro.
Talking about numbers, you disagree, and your evidence is how you personally feel about both games. Completely irrelevant.
I hate that review bombing has just become a blanket term for any form of mass negative opinion on a game. It's like the last sad cope of a dev who refuses to listen.
This really reminds me of palworld exposing game freak's laziness with pokemon the only difference here is you dont fuck with the mouse
I feel like Disney would bury Blizzard if they tried to do anything like lawsuits.
palworld did not expose anything. Anyone with a functioning brain already knew. It was obvious the whole time.
Just like with rivals V overwatch, people also knew that OW was circling the drain for years. But theres wasnt a great alternative. Now there is.
This video reminded me about how difficult it was to initially set the game up. Government level verification just to play a hero shooter is insanity.
The reason why Overwatch didn't really die as a shooter was because... we had no choice. basically the rest of the games have un-goonable characters. Okay, kidding aside, cs:go requires you to aim, tf2 has too many bots, we also have cod that's too demanding for system specs, and paladins isn't marketed enough, it's like a sticky ball that doesn't stick... finally, the battle royale genre has become stagnant and tiring for many people. they crave that 10-15 min matches that they can leave, and to me, Overwatch basically monopolized that because the report system in that game is bad as well! so, yeah. Your best shooter in the decade, everyone.
What about Valorant?
as someone who does not play either OW or MR I can whole heartedly say OW had it good for way to lonmg as they had no competition, as the only game of that type they could get away with being a bad experience, NOT ANY LONGER.
10:45 It was the Halo Master Chief Collection
I never cared for overwatch, and I fully expected to not like Marvel Rivals. Damn was i wrong, Marvel Rivals is fantastic. They obviously had some very talented people working on Marvel Rivals
Helldivers 2 didn’t have a balancing problem. Having played at launch, players are right in saying that all of the ‘balance’ changers were instead crippling anything players used and creating extremely slow and painful/frustrating meta/play experience. I loved the game, but it’s a pve game they ‘balanced’ the enjoyment out of. Thus players walking away. Trust me, I wish the game was still fun, being the main point, but their ‘balance’ took that away for many
Marvel rivals is just FUN. Something Blizzard completely forgot about when it comes to Overwatch.
Adding cancerous hero after cancerous hero, making mind boggling balancing decisions etc. The classic event showed me just how much of a joke the game has become and has made me feel like Harry Potter challenging snape “how dare you stand where he stood.” (To Overwatch 2)
game journalists prove once again their lesser beings
Marvel Rivals will only kill itself if it tries one of two things. 1.) It attempts to balance the game around a high level competitive scene. 2.) It introduces predatory microtransactions.
its almost like they get paid to have certain opinions.
A lot of the game design behind MR is so innovative in terms of hero design. So refreshing, even the heroes that take ideas from OW.
rivals is already pretty well balanced, all they have to do is buff storm.
Yeah, buff my Sky Goddess Storm!
One reason Marvel is doing so well is because people know these characters, and the game is good you get to play you favorite characters and have fun with know agenda mix into it sweet
Rivals gives me so much nostalgia ❤ I kind of wanna play Overwatch again but why should I Rivals is better it’s what Overwatch 2 should have been and I don’t wanna give Blizzard anything for what they did to that game
The only thing that has been keeping Overwatch alive is the lack of competition and the Pron, with Rivals we now have both in good/great quality.
Shout out to homie who speed ran the login process but never playing the game, gotta be my favorite gender out there
I quit Overwatch 2 before they added Illari. I then made the mistake of playing Stellaris instead.
Good looking characters, each feels different, playable even if i'm not a shooter player since theres melee and theres a few autoaim ones... Not to mention 3rd person so i can see my skins? Overwatch could never. They'd rather release another very meh looking characters and praise how "inclusive" it is.
Overwatch has no good looking men besides Lifeweaver and he's gay. Rivals seems to have female fans too. I hope Overwatch dies.
Journo: This isn't what we want you to play/like... 5/10
TF2 players adding their own life force to make the game not dead :
I used to play Overwatch all the time and was a very high ranked healer. But as soon as they put role que in the game started to die. And as soon as they went to 5v5 I completely stopped playing
now imagine if marvel rivals added a pve mode
I wanted an overwatch PvE mode. I would kill for a Marvel Rivals PvE mode, I just love the art aesthetic and design.
A left for dead like mode where you move to one end of the level fighting hordes and special enemies
I HATE Marvel... I un-installed OW for Rivals. It's not ab branding, it's just a good fucking game.
Overwatch 2 is a FIRST PERSON SHOOTER... do not buy skins you can't even see! People are so frickin dumb when they just waste their money like that.
Well not the player (save those who main Reinhardt), but his/her teammates and the opponents see those garish skins
A blizzard boss claiming a character from the 60s copied their game from the 2000s… even they have to know they’re cooked if they’re grasping at those kind of straws
Not even 2000s, but 2010s!
2:42 i understand it now.
13:57 thank you for putting an example of the character design on the screen. It really illustrates the complexities of how- oh she's kneeling now
Meanwhile a TF2 enjoyer like me still playing it after it was released 17 years ago!
Also, I still find it funny to this very day that no one is mentioning TF2 because the game has also "loot boxes" which are of course the cosmetics and war paints etc. and TF2 has been around way longer than Overwatch, but eh imma sit around and do nothing like Valve :)
Wish I had a better PC so I can give Marvel Rivals a try .-.
Your not missing much, tf2 is far better
@@bagawaga9603 How is TF2 better? (I'm not hating I just want to hear your argument) personally, I prefer rivals
both, both is good
I'm sad I paid not only for Overwatch 1, but also for 4-5 premium passes of 2 when it started, I really hated what the game became and the people that didn't see anything wrong, so I just quit for good, been having a lot of fun playing Rivals now
Overwatch has become a toxic land, predatory cash grab for people who lack the self control to spend unreasonable amounts of money on skins they can't even see while playing, only to be replaced by new skins that come out shortly after.
The experience itself is mind numbing at best, lacks the same thrill and joy we used to feel back in 2016 when everyone was new to the game and it was pure chaos.
This is what happens when a company continuously pisses on their community, lies to them, puts lackluster and unfinished content behind a paywall and provides little to no feeling of security and respect towards their playerbase.
I'm done with Blizzard and their products, and I'm genuinely pleased to see them fall.