Hey quick looting tip, for the 2nd centipede you killed if you check the corner of the room it spawned in theres some generally good loose loot there, its where i usually get blue meds or jewellry from when running goblin caves and makes up for any bad luck on the centipiede loot.
I'm 99% sure ur right about rangers being best class with gear. That's how I feel at least, so easy to get smoked fast by one and they tank a lot more than you'd think.
I was playing with a ranger last night using a purple crossbow and he 1 shot 90% of the mobs and players from across the map we came across it's actually stupid.
Hope nobody uses this as an example of why the nerfs were justified 😂 the opponents in this video (besides the archer) were just straight bots... strafing side to side in perfect casting distance. The archer would have won if he was a good player but he got completely outplayed.
This is such a good showcase of Wizards after the nerf. Does anyone know what the far right buff above the UI is? the one that looks like a head with an X in the background? Didn't look like a wizard perk
You should try (if you didn't already) the new staff for pve. The extra magic damage is really good and when you magic missle stuff from a distance the animation isn't bad
@@Verienn you definitely can. wizard got harsh nerfs on damage. fighter got really harsh nerfs on his tankiness, both on his end and on all ranged weapons getting huuuge pen buffs. fire bottles are now magic dmg, which fighters will most often have to take the brunt of, and have no prots against. their main weapon falchion caught a damage nerf. i played a game with fighter, full blue and purple plate. and i got 3 shot by a not good rolled green set ranger.
@@mikahoolwerff3563 wizard got attack nerfed, wizard is a dps class and damage is everything fighter is a dps class and pdr was nerfed, making agility fighter still viable
@@xenird sure, agility fighters are okay. But lets be real here. An agility fighter is just a wet noodle rogue. Hed be fighting barbs, and he will be onetapped by said barb.
@@xenird and its not just pdr that got nerfed. Pen, falchion, pdr, his ability changes, and throwables all work against him. Fighter caught knives absolutely everywhere.
Dude no way, that’s me there! I’m Jaeryd in that lobby that I played a while ago. That’s amazing, you were so good with those Ice bolts. Nice job, keep up the good content!
Mage didn't need a nerf at all , it's one of the least played classes for good reason. It takes a brain to play it. Zap was the only thing that might have needed it
Yea, they ended up also nerfing budget/early game wizards as well which I think they didn't want to. I expect a hotfix/revert to like maybe 30% instead of 50% monday.
Doesn't sound fit for your play style if you're getting worked... you MUST be a good micro manager playing wiz. He's not a barb and van just swing for the fences... you must literally say to yourself "I have to play smart"
How do you know how many people could be left? You pay attention to the killfeed where it says when someone takes a portal? or is there something I dont know :D
Zap always made me feel like ed on the one episode of ed edd n eddy where he gathers all the static, says zappity zap zap and blows up the house. Zap will be missed 😞
Most importantly you can loot library or kill centipede, that's consistent and profitable. Inspect people at the start to possibly find a well geared target, best matchups for wizard are barbarians and fighters, rare but can fluke lots of money
I'm fine with wizards that have a 5k set doing massive damage, my problem with wizard is when a naked wizard can spam haste + invis + fireball and win fights against the less mobile melee classes when they're rocking green+ gear, a naked shouldn't be able to easy diff a figter in a 1k set, but range and mobility are too strong in this game rn. Its really a ranged meta, if you're straight melee you're just boned as soon as you meet a ranger or wizard. Edit: I think to nerf ranger, arrows shouldn't slow you on hit, at least then melee classes could close the distance. Also wizard shouldn't be able to cast haste and invis together, or lower the uses to 2 so you can only do it twice in a fight before you would need to sit down and meditate.
@@SeteProject Wizard player spotted. Tell me how the frail old man is the most mobile class in the game effectively making rogues useless and laughing at a fighters sprint, YOUR LIKE 80 STOP MOVING SO FAST AND INVIS, its gunna get nerfed sooner or later just wait and see :)
You are really good. Great vid! I decided from the start that I'm going to main wizard, regardless of the need. The gameplay is just too much fun and dynamic. How much damage does Zap do after nerf?
Zap didnt get nerfed much by default, maybe by 1 or 2 points of damage less. The nerf was to scaling, so all +magic dmg on gear is worth less. (Practically every base spell got nerfed since the default magic power bonus, which is around 25%?, is only applied 50%)
@@hittite_gaming no, all spells got nerfed really hard, zap hits around 25 before now at around 15-20, with gears my zap was around a total of 65, now hits around 35 to 40
@@roid.5050 zap used to hit 27 with a grey spellbook, (20 base + 2 from spellbook) * default magic power bonus %, now its only (20 base + 1 from spellbook) * (default magic power bonus / 2). Its not a big nerf to base spells but to scaling. There is no way for zap to hit 15-20 when the base damage is already 20.
@@roid.5050 yeah it can, and could before the nerf, but usually when talking about calculations like this we use values against the dummies (0% magic resist) as the standard.
The problem is the leader board. They usr the high rollers game to balance the game, and the top Wizards are gods, the think is that a normal wizard is always overwelmed.
It should be like that though, you can die in 2hits to ANY class in the game as wizard, but apparently im not suppose to feel strong when i grind out good as gear and then havto play like a mechanical god, since NO class except wizard takes skill to play.
@@mis8866 Agreed, also wizards when high geared should be killing people in a few hit anyway as wizards are your typical glass cannons we die easy but can kill everyone else quickly, now we just glass without the cannon.
DUDE dagger wizard 2 shots me as a fully geared ranger. I used to get 2 hit by zap in full gear. It needed the nerf. Rogues also need a nerf too. They literally 2 hit me with a blue dagger.
You can 1-shot a wizard with a green longbow. Rogues are supposed to kill you fast if they can surprise you, if they just run at you and you cant kill them its a skill issue tbh.
@@pissoutmyassable why would I as a ranger stack magic resist? The chances of coming up against a wizard are rare. My main stat is agility and resourcefulness. Also hitting a wizard is another problem as they have haste and invisibility.
@@hittite_gaming it's not a skill issue dude I get at leat 3-5 kills every goblin caves run. Literally don't have time to pull out a spear to kill rogues and I'm already dead.
Do you think with that much nerfs the best wizard gear will be for only knowledge and movement speed? Is it worth using a lightning strike instead of zap or just use ice bolt?
I do not understand why the fuck wizard was nerfed this hard when rouge, cleric, fighter and other classes were and are still way bigger problems than wizard it's stupid what was the thought process with this nerf
Rangers still not getting nerfed despite being the most unfair class is beyond me. Even low geared rangers can 2 tap the best geared wizard i mean... its a joke.
@@pinkteacrotchdweller6869 Honestly i have no clue why the class is even in the game. It makes sense for the universe the game is set in and all. But as a game. Balance must be important. And ranger with fast arrows like those, in a game with some of the slowest movement ive ever seen in any game. Its just a bad cocktail.
He just showcasing this video with a naked wizard is capable of. Extreme movement speed plus invisibility. Awesome damage. So yeah I think wizards are in a good spot.
Where did you see "awesome damage" if compared to the other classes going in with a bought weapon? Ranger with longbow, barb with axe of his choosing, ... all clear just as fast (if not faster) and don't have to meditate?
@@pingufanal9455 What's your point? The video was to showcase wizard is still viable and clearly it is.... So what if the wizard has to "cast spells" and subsequently "meditate" to clear shit? That's literally the point of the class.... So what if another class can do pve faster? Every class has their pros and cons
You are aware of the fact that you are watching a main wizard streamer (guessing) VS. guys who probably got like 2 hours tops per day to play the game? Watching the streamer showing us "their nerfed wizard" is not representing the playerbase @@ohnoitsu1
And noone said he is not viable anymore. Just way weaker then before. You were the one stating "awesome damage and extreme movement" which is just not true comparing the numbers to other classes. Yeah haste + invis is strong for movement but if you play wizard you know how much setup time this costs if you are ungeared@@ohnoitsu1
@@YappysDaBeastStill bad practice to hit every nail with a sledge hammer. If ppl think their class will get gutted randomly at any time they might not want to play the game.
well nothing in the change, effected ur gameplay in the video the only thing they balanced was all the potions getting no benefit from will or Magical power bonus. Heal potions now just do theyre base healing without a way to increase the actual healed amount of the spell its weaker now of course but, that changes little to nothing regarding wiz is still insanely strong bc of the Magical dmg and the easy dips or pushes with haste invis great vid whatsoever, mooooore
It did affect stuff in the video. Attribute bonus scaling at 50% for spells affects everything. Magical damage from books, orbs, staves, bonus magical damage on gear, magical power bonus from will, from perks. It's a massive nerf to wizard at every level of gear.
I think base wizard is still as good as before,it just doesn’t improve with the gear as well as other classes so the best wizards aren’t as good which I’d say they’ve over corrected on it but if it was like 60% or 55% instead of 50% I think it’d make sense,either way wizard still isn’t bad
The Nerfs only apply in late game gear... Wizard viable after nerf ?.. they even gave you early game dmg without gear. i really don´t get the title of your Vid
Wizards have invis, haste, and a hit scan spell. And they do stupid damage with no gear because there is barely any magic resistance. Fuck em, nerf the class even more.
Hey quick looting tip, for the 2nd centipede you killed if you check the corner of the room it spawned in theres some generally good loose loot there, its where i usually get blue meds or jewellry from when running goblin caves and makes up for any bad luck on the centipiede loot.
When it's 12 AM already but Red posts a video 🔥 you are the only dark and darker content creator I'll stay up late for
"Pants just weight me down". Words to live by.
there is sometimes a blue sellable or pendant in centipedes cell (2nd kill) i think its worth to check
I'm 99% sure ur right about rangers being best class with gear. That's how I feel at least, so easy to get smoked fast by one and they tank a lot more than you'd think.
I was playing with a ranger last night using a purple crossbow and he 1 shot 90% of the mobs and players from across the map we came across it's actually stupid.
If Red is on the Rizzard, it will always be good 🫡
Hope nobody uses this as an example of why the nerfs were justified 😂 the opponents in this video (besides the archer) were just straight bots... strafing side to side in perfect casting distance. The archer would have won if he was a good player but he got completely outplayed.
I totally agree + red is unbelievably good at wizard. Most other people would have a real hard time dealing with rangers.
Typical ppl you come across in Goblins cave are usually horrible and also naked.
of course you gotta play out of your mind to barely kill some noob with a green longbow that can 2shot bodyshot you -_-
This is such a good showcase of Wizards after the nerf. Does anyone know what the far right buff above the UI is? the one that looks like a head with an X in the background? Didn't look like a wizard perk
Likely the Elf race. Trading 1 hp for 1 agility is really good and should be used by spellbook wizards.
Ohhhhhhhhhh, I had no idea that the races give stats, thought they were all cosmetics, thanks!@@xenird
You should try (if you didn't already) the new staff for pve. The extra magic damage is really good and when you magic missle stuff from a distance the animation isn't bad
3 damage spell book? you mean the 1.5 damage spell book.
lmfao
ngl, as a fighter seeing wizard get nerfed right after fighter is a music to my ears.
you cant even begin to compare the fighter and wiz nerfs lmao
@@Verienn you definitely can.
wizard got harsh nerfs on damage.
fighter got really harsh nerfs on his tankiness, both on his end and on all ranged weapons getting huuuge pen buffs.
fire bottles are now magic dmg, which fighters will most often have to take the brunt of, and have no prots against.
their main weapon falchion caught a damage nerf.
i played a game with fighter, full blue and purple plate.
and i got 3 shot by a not good rolled green set ranger.
@@mikahoolwerff3563 wizard got attack nerfed, wizard is a dps class and damage is everything
fighter is a dps class and pdr was nerfed, making agility fighter still viable
@@xenird sure, agility fighters are okay.
But lets be real here.
An agility fighter is just a wet noodle rogue.
Hed be fighting barbs, and he will be onetapped by said barb.
@@xenird and its not just pdr that got nerfed.
Pen, falchion, pdr, his ability changes, and throwables all work against him.
Fighter caught knives absolutely everywhere.
This your first time on youtube seems so natural to you bro enjoy your content hella
Hes a valorant streamer
not my first rodeo haha, but really enjoying dark and darker and want to share it with you guys
he has like 300k subs on main channel
Dude no way, that’s me there! I’m Jaeryd in that lobby that I played a while ago. That’s amazing, you were so good with those Ice bolts. Nice job, keep up the good content!
Mage didn't need a nerf at all , it's one of the least played classes for good reason. It takes a brain to play it. Zap was the only thing that might have needed it
Bro never stops cooking on wiz
Each of the ores can sell at around 30-50G a pop. Good stuff regardless!!
i think they wanted to remove the scaling from the mages but they nerfed it too much
Yea, they ended up also nerfing budget/early game wizards as well which I think they didn't want to. I expect a hotfix/revert to like maybe 30% instead of 50% monday.
I hope so !
@@red2314 30% would be even worse lmao it should be 80% on all spells except keep Zap nerfed.
I think you both ment thhe same thing
@@amongstus4418
@@amongstus4418 He means 30% reduction instead of 50% so 70% of original strength
You have crazy good Aim man
I've been getting slapped all day. Wizard feels kinda useless.
Doesn't sound fit for your play style if you're getting worked... you MUST be a good micro manager playing wiz. He's not a barb and van just swing for the fences... you must literally say to yourself "I have to play smart"
@bigginzack Just not worth it else you are decked out. It already took a lot of spells in a 3v3 now it takes even more cause you are doing less.
Roger that... I hope they buff them for you.
How do you know how many people could be left? You pay attention to the killfeed where it says when someone takes a portal? or is there something I dont know :D
Number of people in the lobby - people dead in killfeed - times he hears someone taking a portal
I REALLY hope they fix the nerfs the wizard has been getting and give them buffs, they already made a fragile class they dont need to make it weaker.
I like to fireball the spider pots especially if I’m at 5 fireballs or going to meditate anyways
What where zap numbers before and after with regular gear? Ice bolt too??
zap was 27 now is 23
around 3;20 how did you slow down your movement like that ?
default is shift
Zap always made me feel like ed on the one episode of ed edd n eddy where he gathers all the static, says zappity zap zap and blows up the house. Zap will be missed 😞
Idk why ppl are saying zap is bad? Still feels like a decent poke
Do better quality surgical kits activate faster, or is it just a normal kit with higher gold value at vendors?
They do activate faster I'm pretty sure
How can we play dark and darker?
"could have been a fluke. So lets do another one" chad
do you have any tips for making more off of each run?
Most importantly you can loot library or kill centipede, that's consistent and profitable. Inspect people at the start to possibly find a well geared target, best matchups for wizard are barbarians and fighters, rare but can fluke lots of money
How did you know it was a fighter before seeing the guy?
you could hear the plate boots. which generally means fighter. Could also be cleric though
@@kerrylatham9351 oh no kidding, makes sense. Enjoy the videos btw.
I'm fine with wizards that have a 5k set doing massive damage, my problem with wizard is when a naked wizard can spam haste + invis + fireball and win fights against the less mobile melee classes when they're rocking green+ gear, a naked shouldn't be able to easy diff a figter in a 1k set, but range and mobility are too strong in this game rn. Its really a ranged meta, if you're straight melee you're just boned as soon as you meet a ranger or wizard.
Edit: I think to nerf ranger, arrows shouldn't slow you on hit, at least then melee classes could close the distance. Also wizard shouldn't be able to cast haste and invis together, or lower the uses to 2 so you can only do it twice in a fight before you would need to sit down and meditate.
that's why you need 3 people on your team
That's why you clear out wizard with your ranger/wizard and then push with melee
Starter/low budget wizard doesn't do any damage
Spam haste/invis with a limit of 4. Sure broski
@@SeteProject Wizard player spotted. Tell me how the frail old man is the most mobile class in the game effectively making rogues useless and laughing at a fighters sprint, YOUR LIKE 80 STOP MOVING SO FAST AND INVIS, its gunna get nerfed sooner or later just wait and see :)
Hey its me BobTheBowGuy. GGs
Glad to see us Rogues arent the only one that got the shitty end of the stick lol
You are really good. Great vid! I decided from the start that I'm going to main wizard, regardless of the need. The gameplay is just too much fun and dynamic. How much damage does Zap do after nerf?
Zap didnt get nerfed much by default, maybe by 1 or 2 points of damage less. The nerf was to scaling, so all +magic dmg on gear is worth less. (Practically every base spell got nerfed since the default magic power bonus, which is around 25%?, is only applied 50%)
@@hittite_gaming no, all spells got nerfed really hard, zap hits around 25 before now at around 15-20, with gears my zap was around a total of 65, now hits around 35 to 40
@@roid.5050 zap used to hit 27 with a grey spellbook, (20 base + 2 from spellbook) * default magic power bonus %, now its only (20 base + 1 from spellbook) * (default magic power bonus / 2). Its not a big nerf to base spells but to scaling. There is no way for zap to hit 15-20 when the base damage is already 20.
@@hittite_gaming it can hit lower than 20 depending on your target's magic resist
@@roid.5050 yeah it can, and could before the nerf, but usually when talking about calculations like this we use values against the dummies (0% magic resist) as the standard.
Why do you think the nerf was overboard when the devs literally said stats show wizards out preform every other class when geared.
The problem is the leader board. They usr the high rollers game to balance the game, and the top Wizards are gods, the think is that a normal wizard is always overwelmed.
It should be like that though, you can die in 2hits to ANY class in the game as wizard, but apparently im not suppose to feel strong when i grind out good as gear and then havto play like a mechanical god, since NO class except wizard takes skill to play.
@@mis8866 Agreed, also wizards when high geared should be killing people in a few hit anyway as wizards are your typical glass cannons we die easy but can kill everyone else quickly, now we just glass without the cannon.
@@axdan4481Now we can be one shot by every other class and and do dogshit damage. I'm getting tired of people face tanking my spells to one shot me.
Funny how wizards had the least kills during last playtest if they're so OP?
Wait is this the Red that plays Val with Jonas and zip? The name yoru is sus. I’m onto you
He does have a different channel for valorant content, ive seen him reply to a comment with it.
Your reptilian brain goes into sicko mode whenever you hear the miners 😂
Wizard should be enrfed, not this much, but not be as good as it was before, but rangers, holy moly they should get the nerf hammer to the knees.
DUDE dagger wizard 2 shots me as a fully geared ranger. I used to get 2 hit by zap in full gear. It needed the nerf. Rogues also need a nerf too. They literally 2 hit me with a blue dagger.
Lol not if that full gear has magic resist. BUT you can one shot a wizard and two shot in body so why is this unfair?
You can 1-shot a wizard with a green longbow. Rogues are supposed to kill you fast if they can surprise you, if they just run at you and you cant kill them its a skill issue tbh.
@@pissoutmyassable why would I as a ranger stack magic resist? The chances of coming up against a wizard are rare. My main stat is agility and resourcefulness. Also hitting a wizard is another problem as they have haste and invisibility.
@@hittite_gaming it's not a skill issue dude I get at leat 3-5 kills every goblin caves run. Literally don't have time to pull out a spear to kill rogues and I'm already dead.
You can oneshot wizard lmaooo
Do you think with that much nerfs the best wizard gear will be for only knowledge and movement speed?
Is it worth using a lightning strike instead of zap or just use ice bolt?
Ice bolt, use fire ball, it got a bit of a buff.
@@red2314 ik i love fireball
I do not understand why the fuck wizard was nerfed this hard when rouge, cleric, fighter and other classes were and are still way bigger problems than wizard it's stupid what was the thought process with this nerf
Zap really that bad at the moment?
Go try it bro it's sucks so hard lmao
was 27 now 23 so not that bad
Rangers still not getting nerfed despite being the most unfair class is beyond me. Even low geared rangers can 2 tap the best geared wizard i mean... its a joke.
They got buffed lmao. Someone at IM plays ranger for sure
@@pinkteacrotchdweller6869 Honestly i have no clue why the class is even in the game. It makes sense for the universe the game is set in and all. But as a game. Balance must be important. And ranger with fast arrows like those, in a game with some of the slowest movement ive ever seen in any game. Its just a bad cocktail.
He just showcasing this video with a naked wizard is capable of. Extreme movement speed plus invisibility. Awesome damage. So yeah I think wizards are in a good spot.
Where did you see "awesome damage" if compared to the other classes going in with a bought weapon? Ranger with longbow, barb with axe of his choosing, ... all clear just as fast (if not faster) and don't have to meditate?
A rogue, fighter, or barb will out run the "fast" Wizard you are talking about and 1 shot them.
@@pingufanal9455 What's your point? The video was to showcase wizard is still viable and clearly it is.... So what if the wizard has to "cast spells" and subsequently "meditate" to clear shit? That's literally the point of the class.... So what if another class can do pve faster? Every class has their pros and cons
You are aware of the fact that you are watching a main wizard streamer (guessing) VS. guys who probably got like 2 hours tops per day to play the game? Watching the streamer showing us "their nerfed wizard" is not representing the playerbase @@ohnoitsu1
And noone said he is not viable anymore. Just way weaker then before. You were the one stating "awesome damage and extreme movement" which is just not true comparing the numbers to other classes. Yeah haste + invis is strong for movement but if you play wizard you know how much setup time this costs if you are ungeared@@ohnoitsu1
zap is not dead bro. still miles better than ice. ice has slower cast. mostly similar damage and it can miss.
idk why ironmace is making such extreme nerfs on so many classes idk why they wanna nerf every class into the ground
They are just testing out different phases, as its early access.
@@YappysDaBeastStill bad practice to hit every nail with a sledge hammer. If ppl think their class will get gutted randomly at any time they might not want to play the game.
Im jealous you make solos look so easy in always end up dying to rats or people teaming
well nothing in the change, effected ur gameplay in the video
the only thing they balanced was all the potions getting no benefit from will or Magical power bonus. Heal potions now just do theyre base healing without a way to increase the actual healed amount of the spell
its weaker now of course but, that changes little to nothing regarding wiz is still insanely strong bc of the Magical dmg and the easy dips or pushes with haste invis
great vid whatsoever, mooooore
It did affect stuff in the video. Attribute bonus scaling at 50% for spells affects everything. Magical damage from books, orbs, staves, bonus magical damage on gear, magical power bonus from will, from perks. It's a massive nerf to wizard at every level of gear.
Lmao did you not read the patch or something?
Ironmace: we cut the spell bonus from all the gear in half!
This comment: some unrelated shit about potions
I think base wizard is still as good as before,it just doesn’t improve with the gear as well as other classes so the best wizards aren’t as good which I’d say they’ve over corrected on it but if it was like 60% or 55% instead of 50% I think it’d make sense,either way wizard still isn’t bad
Yea it is, it's unplayable being one shot or two shot by literally every single class
I hit a base cleric unbuffed with fireball and lightning strike and magic missile just for him to tank it and one tap my ass lmao
i get that the staff is slow,, but its better imo than any of the spellbooks under blue cause of the 5 magi dmg
Try fight anyone ontop of you with a staff. Its good for long range fireballs
staff sucks. too much move speed penalty when casting compared to spellbook!
It casts spells like twice slower than a book
And it has a twice higher speed reduction
And it can hit walls
you can't pvp with it
2.5* There I fixed it for you
Ummm everyone Got nerfed
I'd love to play wizard but STUTTER STUTTER STUTTER goes my game, and its especially bad on wizard. Good PC too, what a shame.
crap pc*
Wrong.@@pissoutmyassable
Bad PC or lots of bloatware
*wizards trying to walk* *ironmace dropping a massive two ton anvil on a random little spell caster tryna cast his silly little spells*
The Nerfs only apply in late game gear... Wizard viable after nerf ?.. they even gave you early game dmg without gear. i really don´t get the title of your Vid
First
second
wizards needed nerf its too OP
no they dont
nah we get 1shot
ever heard of a glass cannon
they can play as rogue and archers how is that fair
Propaganda
cast times are better but is melee slower? and Wiz with no gear is just hell. Ranger feels fine and fighter. wiz sooo weak at the start :(
100% agree with the wizard nerfs hope they never change it back
Wizards have invis, haste, and a hit scan spell. And they do stupid damage with no gear because there is barely any magic resistance. Fuck em, nerf the class even more.
Or big brain move here add viable magic resistance options
nub
dont worry theyll revert the drastic changes to something reasonable soon. you sound like a fighter main lol
ok noob learn how to use a crossbow and enjoy the 1 or 2 taps
I smell Fighter copium