@@HEYitzED I guess, but it still wasn't that great. They still removed the next episode preview, they didn't have all the opening and ending animations, and they didn't play certain songs for the dub. Meaning that there was no music during the fight between Goku and Jackie Chun.
Between this,the bad dubbing since Kai,firing Vic,not dubbing random games like my hero academia and heroes because toei didn't pay em enough(greed) FUNIMATION has really dropped the ball lately. And the bullshit they do on Twitter.
@@fridaynightnicktoons6885 Funimation is the one who pays to get licencing rights to dub and then sell Toei's works (anime) not the other way around TF!
Personally,I kinda like the dimly lit , flat color, grainy original. Has it's own charm. On the other hand I don't like when art is way too shiny or saturated. Sadly that old color style of anime will never come back.
Same! the older, 80’s and 90’s style anime have a certain charm to them. It brings me a great deal of satisfaction to watch something that was mostly hand drawn.
He was very controlled to me, although to be fair on RUclips I hold “anger” to a very high standard - this is quietly angry, but still I felt he controlled it well. Wanna see fury beyond fury? Watch Markiplier play Getting Over It.
The fact that expect people to pay $350 for such a poor looking product is rather absurd. Thank goodness I waited before making any sort of purchase. Thanks for the very fun and informative video Ajay.
Still not as bad as their hijinks with the Cowboy Bebop release last year. The fact that they bundled the only official release of the soundtrack on vinyl in a $250 set with DVDs, an art book, and some prints was such a dick move, let alone the tried to crowdfund it, and that they offered 3 different tiers, with different colored LPs and additional stuff that was all bullshit, ranging from $250 to $500. Oh, and the other two, more expensive sets didn't even get made because nobody wanted to pay $500 for shitty PVC bookends, even though it had the coolest design for all the other materials. Fuck Funimation. They don't actually give a shit about making good quality products for their fanbase, they're just trying to wring out every penny they can.
They just won’t put out a definitive release because because then they could never release another set again. They’re making sure to milk these series as much as they can.
Icarus Kid They started to with the Level sets and chickened out. That would’ve been the closest we ever got to a definitive set in HD. They of course failed because the Dragon Boxes had JUST finished coming out and the fact each set only had 17 episodes. It was bad timing and not affordable.
Hopefully the footage in this was a placeholder footage, which would make sense considering the art and all that isn’t final either. They might only just be starting to create the remastered version.
Such a disaster this turned out to be. I was skeptical when they announced this, but I signed the petition. No way will they get my money now. What a joke.
That bit at the end about there being no easy way to watch DBZ has been eating me up inside ever since that Q&A video of yours, and yeah, it's so frustrating that these companies are still screwing this stuff up. If there's any silver lining to this, if the color-corrections you showed in some of your other videos is anything to go by, it's that fans will probably color correct the footage themselves, add the original broadcast audio, share it on pirate sites for free, and end up making something better than this release. BTW, nice to see another video from you! Stay strong, man!
One of the problems they ran into with the original remaster attempt (before the orange bricks), is that much of the original footage had degraded over time. So they had to go in and fix warping, color fade, scratches etc. by hand. This also included shaving off bits of each frame that was too damaged to repair. Basically, every remaster we’ve seen has used this altered footage as the main starting point.
Even though I personally like vibrant colours, as someone who knows one thing or two about film photography, video and color, I always prefer the original look of Film as close as possible. Color correcting that thing more than just basic stuff kills pretty much the aesthetic of the film look 😣 There are more than enough skilled colorists and post-production supervisors, which means that the problem is something else.
It sucks that there's still no definitive HD release of DBZ. The closest things we ever got were the level sets (which we basically just the Saiyan saga) and Kai (which was great [and the only way I watched Z] up until Toei decided that neon yellowish-green was the way to go with the Final Chapters, that and the musical direction was piss poor). It's like, come on guys, how is it *this* hard to release a complete version of Z (and also the original too, for once?), when plenty other old shows could do it just fine (not *all*, mind you, but still). EDIT: I was more talking about the direction than the actual music. In the Blu Ray release of pre-Buu Kai, the music was replaced with the same 7-8 Kikuchi tracks that got really old, really fast. They're not bad at all, but the music was very poorly implemented. As for Kai: TFC, a good 75% of the time the music never fit due to bad placement (had the same director as Kai 1.0, so it's clear this guy isn't very good at this), and I'm more mixed on Kai 2.0's OST. Some music was great, other music sucked, and while I appreciate the attempt to make the soundtrack sound a nit 90s-ish (it had VERY similar synth to the stuff in We Gotta Power), it doesn't fit the series that well, to me, especially with how poorly most of of the music was implemented.
@@MrInternetMan The dub wasn't dubbed in house by Funimation, only Akito Into Exiled. It was dubbed by Bang Zoom for Sunrise/Bandai Entertainment. Same goes for Iron Blooded Orphans, they're licensing the dub/show from them.
Zak Johnson SunRise studios doesn’t change the Japanese text to a different translation than what’s portrayed in the English like what Funimation did with Genki Dama to Spirt Bomb.
Jun Edenfield Yeah, you ain't kidding. Thank God for Harmy's Despecialized Edition versions though. Now, if only Dragon Ball Z can get that kind of treatment.
I am so sorry to bring up a topic from 3 years ago. Just a few days ago, I see an ads from Zaavi regarding a new pre-order for "Dragon Ball Z 30th Anniversary Limited Edition Complete Series Blu-ray Boxset (+ Ban Presto Goku)". I was wondering what this is? It is an reissue of the edition that was released in 2019? No one seems to know anything about this. Thanks EDIT: I knew of this information 2 days ago. Now the preorder is closed and it has sold out.
Let's just pray to God that this is placeholder footage. What sucks is that Geekdom said that Toei was doing a remaster but this doesn't look anything like what they would release.
321GameTime Don’t trust that sellout Geekdom, he would praise anything funimation throws at him he’s just a tool for funimation to promote there garbage.
@@fortzprod.8096 Think before you speak, yeah? In his recent video he actually points out some of what ajay says here. He admitted that its not all fine and dandy
@@CarlosSanchez-wm7lu loses filler - is called trash Has filler - is amazing Who cares either way. It's currently the best quality way to watch the show especially on blu-ray, apart from the "orange" DVD boxes. Soo... wheres the problem?
Here's what I don't understand: how hard is it to just take the footage from the Dragon Boxes, upscale it to 720p or 1080p, and place it on Blu-ray discs. It wouldn't be too expensive, and the only thing that would potentially need to be tweaked is getting the FUNimation dub with the American soundtracks to fill-up the ending and opening sequences. Even then, the FUNimation dub with the Japanese soundtrack just uses the Japanese audio to fill up those sections, so problem solved. Nothing needs to be significantly remastered. Just take the good footage from the Dragon Boxes and upscale it.
People have to consider that when Funimation did put effort into remastering DBZ for Blu-ray to create a high-quality product, the Dragon Ball Z Level Sets, very few people were willing to pay what they justifiably cost, so Funimation had to discontinue the product before completely remastering the series.
it had poor timing. The orange sets were just released, the dragonbox sets were out of print and very limited. People were angry about that and in some fans were actually confused by the 3 versions. Also blu ray hadn't taken over yet.
I'm really starting to lose respect for Funimation. You expect they would put in some effort to put out stellar Remasters and this is what they have to show for it? And they expect us to shell out a ton of money for it. That's a hard pass on my end.
Funimarion is actually a pretty good company, they just don’t know how to remaster a series. Sure, don’t buy this DBZ set, but a lot of their work is worth supporting.
@@Omnipotentmonkey unfortunately (not really) English isn't my native language so it doesn't really matter to me. English anime dubs for me always sound kind of forced.
@@bananasmoussestachio9017 That's fair, but for most english speakers they're a pretty good bet, particularly with series like Fullmetal Alchemist, where the original sub ends up sounding more forced (due to all the names being western-origin)
What's especially aggravating about this release is that aside from the collectibles, there's literally no other incentive to get this. If FUNi included the Japanese Broadcast audio that was provided to Chris Sabat and perhaps the inclusion of the missing insert tracks throughout the show, then I'd happily buy this and put up with the damaged footage yet again.
@@Matt-cn2nn I'm not, the consumer did their part for Broly in cinemas, we gave them good business. It should've ended there, OR if they knew there was this drama among the employees, they should've declined the job or made sure the VA's didn't have to do press or touring together to minimize any problems.
@@brutalhonesty07 Eh? I was talking about the fact Broly was shown in the UK, despite Super having never aired to begin with and the brand itself being virtually nonexistent.
So let me get this straight. They’re expecting people to pay $350 for this garbage? Talk about trying to milk your fans and the sad part is, they’ll probably make the money they want. Why even put in the effort, when you can do a lazy job and you know for a fact that the fans will be dumb enough to buy it 😑.
Excellent video. You explain everything in under 10 minutes. I wish everyone would understand the same as you. It´s so sad to not have a decent DBZ release yet.
2:15 Well, we may lose a good chunk of the upper and lower parts... but in return we get more on the sides... that's a good trade of right? .........................right? xD
As someone that loves the Japanese version of Dragon Ball Z it pisses me off that Funimation can't give us a Dragon Box quality set with the Japanese broadcast audio that would be a definitive set that I would buy day one if they did that. Dragon Ball Z is the most milked anime in history. The 90s Sailor Moon Series has a better fucking release with viz media then any release for Dragon Ball Z that isn't Kai.
@Timmy Ryan i read somewhere that ajay is a kickvic supporter as well. what do you think about it? we knew geekdom is a two faced asshole with idiots supporters that won't go against him, but ajay would have nothing to win in taking sides
@@Skynet666officialchannel I don't care if Ajay has stupid politics so long as they aren't shoved down my throat. He could be a mega-feminist or a national socialist and so long as his videos are about animation, I don't really care.
Everything you said in this video is technically correct, but lemme play devil's advocate here. I'm a video professional by trade AND a huge DBZ fan, and I think I can actually tell you exactly what they were thinking in making these decisions. So you got three main gripes here: first is that the 4:3 transfer is inexplicably cropped, second is that the noise reduction is overzealous, and third is that the color is blown out. It doesn't look the way the Dragon Box looked, therefore it doesn't look the way it should, therefore it does look like hot ass on a cold day. I'ma go through this point by point. What if I told you that the messed up way this proposed Blu-ray looks actually IS how DBZ is supposed to look? Well how could that be? It all actually comes down to the first point you made in this video, and it's something no one ever thinks about. It's about how the TVs work. When DBZ first aired, all TVs displayed their picture on a cathode ray tube. A scanning electron gun fires electrical beams at a shadow mask (or an aperture grill if you're one of the lucky Trinitron owners out there), and it fires off 480 lines across 720 colored pixels 30 times every second. Depending on when that beam is turned off and on, and how bright it is, all across a fraction of a fraction of a second, it hits a different colored pixel and makes a piece of a picture. It's basically stained glass with intelligent, animated lightning behind it. That's just how it works. Nowadays, we do not have smart lightning. On today's TVs, we have a grid of color and opacity changing pixels with a solid light behind them. Unless you spent 3 grand on an OLED TV, in which case, awesome! But the rest of us, we got flat light color pixels. And that's great, we got a lot more pixels than that old TV now. No more 720 lines 480 times. Now we got 1,920 pixel rows lighting up one by one, and there are 1,080 of them! That's a lot more detail. And if you got a 4K TV, it's quadruple that. These TVs we have now, it's a lot easier to see things like film grain and digital noise on them. Those older TVs were less detailed, so they had a natural way of hiding stuff like that. Your modern TV gives you a sharper image with a lot more to look at in it. But that's not the TV that DBZ was made to be seen on. DBZ wants you to watch it on that old cathode ray tube screen. That's what it was made for. And what difference does that make? Well I'll tell you. Those old TVs were less detailed, and with their electron guns, they were a hell of a lot brighter and more colorful than our TVs are now. I mean modern TVs employ all kinds of digital trickery to make them look brighter and more colorful, but it's all just an illusion made by a little computer built into your TV, it's just like an Instagram filter. Fact is those old CRTs (that's what we call Cathode Ray Tubes) had brighter brights, more vivid colors, AND because that electron gun could turn all the way off thousands of times per second, darker darks, blacker blacks, and deeper depth. Everybody got that? Less detail, but brighter brightness, darker darkness, and more vivid colors. But those electron guns weren't perfect. They were always lined up pretty good, but they were never quite right, they'd always shoot their picture a little off-center. And that's why the pictures sent to these old TVs were always a little bigger around the edges. The outside edges of the picture were always meant to get cropped off the edges of your TV, that's just how it was. It's called overscan, and every old TV overscanned. Fact is that's how it's supposed to look. They would even sometimes hide crap they didn't want you to see in the overscan. Like if you've played Super Mario 3 recently, maybe you noticed that the right side of the screen always looks messed up. That's because it's supposed to be hiding behind the overscan. You couldn't see that on old TVs. So again, Dragon Ball Z was made for TVs that had brighter colors, less detail, deeper blacks, and that overscanned. More vivid color, less detail, cropped edges. I'm gonna say that again. DBZ was made for televisions that naturally gave their pictures more vivid color, less detail, and cropped edges. And what were the main things about this new Blu-ray set that this video was complaining about? The Dragon Box was a DVD set. DVDs were invented for those old kinds of TVs. Blu-rays were invented for the newer TVs. All the things they changed about the picture for this proposed Blu-ray release sound an awful lot like they're just taking an old show made for old TVs and making it look right on new TVs. If you watch the Dragon Box on a CRT, it'll probably look a lot like this new Blu-ray. If you watch the Dragon Box on a modern TV, it won't look the same as it would on the kind of TV Dragon Ball Z was made for. It would look more dull, because that's just how newer TVs work. Pop this new Blu-ray in on your modern high-def TV though, and it'll probably look closer to the way DBZ did when it actually aired on TV. Because it has less detail, brighter colors, and cropped edges. Thanks for coming to my TED Talk.
I was actually reminded of the "scanline" argument for video games (that is, the "old" TV look for old video games on modern TVs) when this video brought up grain, so I'm glad I'm not alone in my thinking...
Holy crap, THANK you for this comment! You are clearly far more researched in this subject than the video maker is, and you just convinced me to buy this set. You just became legendary! More people need to see this comment!
Your a Legend my friend I love how all these RUclipsrs swear they're experts on every subject . Then an actual person like yourself who actually works at the trade shuts them down 💪
I saw your comparisons on Twitter and this needed to be a video. It's like looking through a pair of old dirty glasses. How it's 2019 and we can't get a good re master of the DBZ series is beyond me.
With all these problems, we forgot to mention original title cards, next episode previews, and the lost Japanese broadcast audio that the fans so painstakingly collected using recorded VHS tapes and then handed in to funimation. And another thing, no other set except the dragon box set uses cha la head ch la as the opening for the English dub. Even if you watch it in english with original Japanese Kikuchi score, it still plays the American rock theme. just a nit pick but still.
I'm so lucky that I got one set of the Dragon Box when I did. It released during a time when I was too young to care to look into these things, & the last releases I got were on VHS, so for whatever reason (I think I liked that it seemed like a premium release, artbook, new cover designs, etc.) I decided to shovel over $60 of my own money to buy the set & only years later did I realize how important these sets are.
It makes sense from a project management perspective. No one can ever just let a simple, easily completed task just be what it is if they have a chance to turn it into an overcomplicated mess. I guarantee you that there's someone, somewhere, who wants to release the original Dragon Ball footage in the uncropped aspect ratio, no weird filters, no color "enhancement", just a direct original release. *Maybe* some kind of leveling, or stablization or something. But then there are six other guys who wanna prove themselves who say, "no, that's not good enough! let me tell you MY IDEA of a tweak we could make!" So soon you get some punched up color, smoothed out grain, random zoom crop, resharpening filter, and on down the line. It happens every time.
Honestly? I splurged and bought all the Dragon Boxes when they came out. It's been years, and I will never regret my decision. It's still the best release, imo.
Not arguing in favor of super high contrast where it isn't due, but you can't tell me 5:40 is supposed to be in any way indicative of what the original result (as drawn on to a cel/as recorded on film/as broadcast on RF YUV) was supposed to look like, actually it's pretty much the opposite end of Funimation's spectrum, and it still looks terrible. Kai in general is one big mess, and I can assure you they had no intention of leaving well enough alone. I don't know if you've seen Kei17's personal color correction using the Dragon Boxes, but they were my personal gold standard as far as color correction goes, and the Level Sets are the BEST released thing featuring something anywhere close to that (I read they hired very expensive professionals to make them, that's why they had to stop).
Legitimately all they have to do is release the dragon boxes on some Blu-Rays in the same style as the level sets and they could have a definitive release, I don't understand why Funimation keeps releasing all these garbage sets when they've seen how to make a good Dragon Ball Z home release, it just baffles me.
4 years later I got mine never opened the blu-ray set but opened the art book . I don't regret the purchase had the art book signed by some of the voice actors at different convention's and expos the shock on the face of Sean Schemmel when he asked me "where did you get this is great". When I told him it was this limited edition release and he replied "that's awesome I don't even have one" was priceless.... Glad I didn't listen to you great video and explanation though.
Same. Yeah they suck but not gonna shell out a bunch of money for something that’s minimally better. If anything this is worse because not only are you losing image at the top and bottom, you’re losing image on the left and right too because they zoomed the entire picture in.
Im not a fan of the orange bricks but I love my Dragon Ball DVD collection from 2003. Its perfect. Its not saturated with vibrant colours or brighten that eliminates the shades. Its like it was meant to be shown. I love the grain and the 4:3 ratio. This is all I want from Dragon ball z. Why do they go so overboard with these dbz releases? Cant believe they cancelled the 2011 bluray releases because they were great.
Noise reduction is a pure nonsense you will only lose information. The only thing you shall do with film is restore the burns which is a completely different thing.
I know a lot of people won’t like this but I won’t buy any release unless they give me the option for Faulconer’s music. Yeah a lot of hardcore fans hate it but it’s if this is a 30th anniversary celebration, they need to have it as an option. Edit: I don’t hate either OST I enjoy them both a lot but if this is supposed to be a celebration of DBZ, the option needs to be available.
Actually I agree with you I love Bruce faulconer's OST it made Dragon Ball Z the best anime in history people who hate it is because they are into that piece of shit Japanese OST😡👎 and the 30th anniversary is far worse than I thought
Funi has been telling people to use the support section of their website for comments about the set. This video has more views than even Funi's trailers - you've got quite the audience. In the off chance flooding their mailbox with requests for the untouched footage with grain works, mind asking people to email them? I already have, but I don't have your cred with the average Dragon Ball fan.
The Pokemon anime has been cursed with localizations, Edits and Music replacements for the longest time and it's 2020 it doesn't seem to be changing anytine soon and people using this "It's just a kid's anime" as an excuse to justify that is one of the Shittest and stupidest excuse i ever heard
The level sets are the best and as close to the master tapes compared to any release before it. Except for the color grade, it has the most detail and preservation of grain, besting Funi's own cheap ass rerelease ment to supercede it.
this has to be the most mind blowing thing ever, well maybe not literally but it is up there. The word back in the day is that the level sets were to expensive to finish, but then they have since then released the current blu ray, are releasing the blu ray from this video and have made Kai. DBZ prints money. it is a fucking goldmine. Any cost that it would take to make the level sets complete would easily be recouped. I can't even fathom why they wouldn't invest in this. If this set from this video was the once in a life time level sets finished, it would sell out in 20 minutes followed by many people say "PRINT MORE AND TAKE MY DAMN MONEY" It's like choosing not to make guaranteed money. I can't even fathom it.
Funimation has met their quota despite all of this. The sad reality is, that fan outcry, or fancry as I'm now calling it, really doesn't make a difference. Star Wars fans have been outraged about the Special Editions and Greedo shooting first for over 30 years now, and what's the most that has ever come out of it? They were briefly thrown a bone when there was a limited release of the original unaltered movies in terrible quality. Ever since the "orange bricks" came out, there's be fancry over that, and what came out of it? Funimation threw those people a bone with the Dragon Boxes. The simple reality is, that angry people are actually a very small minority. If anyone is wondering why Funimation can "get away" with this despite their releases being so "obviously bad" the reality is that most people either don't care or don't think that way, but most people are also not vocal on the internet. Look up "False Consensus Effect." If you want evidence that your opinions are actually a minority, when the season Blu-Rays were announced, Funimation let fans vote on whether they wanted it to be widescreen or 4:3, and the majority voted for widescreen. A poll conducted by the Dragon Ball wiki: dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/Dragon_Ball_Wiki:Poll_Archive#August_8.2C_2014_-_June_25.2C_2015 Most people watch the dub, despite how loud the "Japanese only" people are, they are a small minority.
I wouldn't blame you for thinking about ordering in the first place. You do you but I suggest to wait until Funimation either changes the price of this set or announce something of actual quality. Even though this is the first that someone like Ajay has complained about this, the original Dragon Ball series were released the same quality with the Blue Bricks/Season Sets. They were 4:3 but like with this new Dragon Box Set, they were still cropped around the screen with all of funimation other edits such as the grain and saturation. If you have the original series that funimation released in the blue bricks and don't mind that kind of quality then the Dragon Box still might be good for you but if price is something not in your favor then I would say wait it out until something better appears. I don't get why Ajay doesn't talk about or at least mention the Dragon Ball blue bricks once as the video quailty in there is the exact same as what Funimation is promoting right now.
As a longtime fan of the series I can certainly appreciate a clean looking remastered re-release of the show, but I had no idea so many factors came into play with the actual quality of what we’re gonna pay for. I do want to buy this set but after this very well made video pointing out the key details I could miss, I’ll hold off until we get definitive word this is the actual picture we’re all asking for. Thanks man 👍🏻
People continue to ignore that the Blu Ray remasters Funi did from the original films weren’t just cropped to 16:9. They literally went through every scene and edited the crop to show everything you needed to see. It’s really not that big of a deal. Wide screen looks better on new tv’s. If you’re THAT much of a purist then buy the VHS’s and watch it on a CRT.
It doesn't help that there's no "perfect" release of the manga, either. I'm to the point where I feel like the only way to really experience DB is to learn Japanese and buy the kanzenban.
@@AceBountyHunterRex VIZ is filled with censorship, stupid dialogue, and there are no colour pages. Also there are bizarre translation choices such as Majin Boo being called "Djin Boo".
@@AceBountyHunterRex Yeah, the censorship and their refusal or inability to release an edition with all of the color art. Right now you have to pick between uncensored but poor paper quality and B&W (the three-in-ones) or high paper quality, some color (but still not all the color), but the heavy censorship (the Viz Big editions). And I don't know Japanese to speak of the translation quality, but I've heard that it's not great beyond the naming conventions, like Piccolo's bizarre "elevated" syntax in Z (that he didn't have in the original DB volumes).
@@uchihaedgelord5589 I don't even hate the weird name choices! I don't always like them, but I understand them (Vegerot, for example). It's the censorship, dialogue, and color that really irks me. Hell, I'd take bad dialogue if we can just get the colored pages and uncensored art. And the original color, NOT the Full Color versions. I like the original colors a lot, and I prefer to experience my art as close to the originals as possible.
We shouldn't be giving Funimation any money not just because they cant make a 80s TV show correctly, but because of the other issues going on there that set a terrible precedent for the industry.
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Dragon Ball Z is cursed with bad releases, and Dragon Ball is cursed by being completely ignored.
I hate that dragonball is being ignored. Its such a charming show
Dragon Ball just got one release and that’s it. At least it was a decent one though.
@@HEYitzEDThe Digitally Remastered release? Yeah, I guess it's decent... if you like a cropped image...
marplatense31 Better than any of their DBZ releases.
@@HEYitzED I guess, but it still wasn't that great. They still removed the next episode preview, they didn't have all the opening and ending animations, and they didn't play certain songs for the dub. Meaning that there was no music during the fight between Goku and Jackie Chun.
Funimation made Ajay so angry that they brought him back from the dead.
Funimation is Cell and Ajay is Gohan.
actually wouldnt FUNimation be Yamcha?
So this release is android 16
Gokou Blacc you dingleberry weenie butt, poopie poopie PICKle FArT!
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Funimation has been pissing a LOT of people off.
Also Ajay why no video of Luffy vs Katakuri. You were all over that on Twitter.
No Raditz
Ah shit, I'm still alive.
Im glad, ive been bored af
LOL Welcome Back
What the hell happened?
shh bby is ok
Hey ajay,great to be back
Dbz has been remastered more times than Resident Evil 4
Or Skyrim
@@megaman15ish Skyrim has only been remastered once, But that remaster has been ported a shit load.
😂
When ADV was still around Neon Genesis Evangelion had at least 5+ re-releases.
Not as much as Doom being ported to almost everything.
This is a fan based parody.
Don't support the original release.
Definitely support the ORIGINAL release, just not this release
Wait you hear that "QUACK" oh nvm just a space duck.
@@schunter20 throwback to krillin
I don't think I've ever heard Ajay this mad ever before.
When Ajay says "fuck", you know shit's gotten serious.
Ajay points out animation flaws:
I sleep
Ajay calls out someone for tracing:
Real shit
Ajay says “fuck”.
*ASCENDED*
Noah Schneider 😂😂😂😂😂 big baby 😂😂🤣
@JustinBieber VEVO Yeah, I know, just pointing something out, that's all.
@@fortzprod.8096 Who'd he call out for tracing?
FUNimation haven't learned a goddamn thing.
Lord Beerus!!
Give them a "Hakai" in their butts!!!
Between this,the bad dubbing since Kai,firing Vic,not dubbing random games like my hero academia and heroes because toei didn't pay em enough(greed) FUNIMATION has really dropped the ball lately. And the bullshit they do on Twitter.
@@nobody8685 lmao
This blu ray set was created by TOEI. It's their product. Funimation is just the distributor.
@@fridaynightnicktoons6885 Funimation is the one who pays to get licencing rights to dub and then sell Toei's works (anime) not the other way around TF!
Feels really good to have you back. Not the same around here without you! Great video!
Oh hi Mark
Ohh that’s not mark
Hey Mark make a character analysis about Beerus I think you could do such a good job with that and there is so much to go look at too
@Felipe M. Any proof for your claims?
@Felipe M. Proof dumbo?
Personally,I kinda like the dimly lit , flat color, grainy original. Has it's own charm. On the other hand I don't like when art is way too shiny or saturated. Sadly that old color style of anime will never come back.
Same here bro, there's a charm to it. Everything's too polished now, not really much character to show
Same! the older, 80’s and 90’s style anime have a certain charm to them. It brings me a great deal of satisfaction to watch something that was mostly hand drawn.
Charm.
Personally I'd like a mix. I don't really like the faded colors, but I don't like a blender splatter either. A little saturation is ok.
@@dogOFdark1 Modern shows are still hand drawn.
3:00 Really? Even when it's 4:3, it's _still_ not the whole image? Jesus...
I don't understand that decision either. Just leave it as is, why zoom in and risk missing details.
@@I_was_a_Bullfrog The only thing i can think of. And i'm not on funi side. Is they did this to stop the film shake. So they digitally stablized it.
@Daywalker Boss they cutted the 4:3 here
No this video is trash. They released a comparison already it’s not cropped at all ruclips.net/video/vZrP640wHXg/видео.html
@@mbob4337 what film shake though? It was all animated, no camera to shake...
you can actually physically hear ajay's controlled anger as he's talking
actually nvm it's not even controlled
we love you and miss you
Woag
must take a lot of practice
He was very controlled to me, although to be fair on RUclips I hold “anger” to a very high standard - this is quietly angry, but still I felt he controlled it well. Wanna see fury beyond fury? Watch Markiplier play Getting Over It.
@@rosesongoku6980 nah that's angry for the sake of being angry
@JustinBieber VEVO Yep!
Dear God these look terrible. Somebody shoot me so Funimation will stop letting me down.
Makankosappo!
Better tell that to the 50 other people here in these comments.
When I die, I want Funimation to lower my body into my grave so they can let me down one last time.
Why do people over react about the set
@Absolutely Dreadful I wasn't keen on outright plagiarizing a rather well-aged tweet.
The fact that expect people to pay $350 for such a poor looking product is rather absurd. Thank goodness I waited before making any sort of purchase. Thanks for the very fun and informative video Ajay.
This is the reason people pirate stuff wow thats over priced
For a collector's item, that cover art look good as fuck imo
An Average Joe 350! I wouldn’t ever pay 350 for a show
I would pay $50 at most for this box set. Not even close to worth $350.
An Average Joe be quite it good i buy it fuck off
This hot mess for 350 dollars?
So freaking hilarious
Still not as bad as their hijinks with the Cowboy Bebop release last year.
The fact that they bundled the only official release of the soundtrack on vinyl in a $250 set with DVDs, an art book, and some prints was such a dick move, let alone the tried to crowdfund it, and that they offered 3 different tiers, with different colored LPs and additional stuff that was all bullshit, ranging from $250 to $500. Oh, and the other two, more expensive sets didn't even get made because nobody wanted to pay $500 for shitty PVC bookends, even though it had the coolest design for all the other materials.
Fuck Funimation. They don't actually give a shit about making good quality products for their fanbase, they're just trying to wring out every penny they can.
That’s why they about literally polish this turd. It comes with a shiner box and statue. So stupid
Funimation is showing more and more how utterly unprofessional they are.
They just won’t put out a definitive release because because then they could never release another set again. They’re making sure to milk these series as much as they can.
Icarus Kid They started to with the Level sets and chickened out. That would’ve been the closest we ever got to a definitive set in HD. They of course failed because the Dragon Boxes had JUST finished coming out and the fact each set only had 17 episodes. It was bad timing and not affordable.
Basically the only boxset that's actually decent is Dragon Box
If only they werent so expensive lol, also they dont include the dubbed version.
@@paterstrother8242 Actually they do, they just don't have the American music by Bruce Faulconer.
SpideyRules1962 oh that’s algoods then, but still those things cost an arm and a leg especially if you want them in new condition
Hopefully the footage in this was a placeholder footage, which would make sense considering the art and all that isn’t final either. They might only just be starting to create the remastered version.
Yes. The decade old, out of print, extremely expensive dragon boxes. They should have just re released those instead of whatever this is
No lie thanks for saving me $350. I was gonna buy it because Ive been holding out for a 4:3 release, but yeah not this one.
Was this supposed to be Funimations big surprise for DBZ's 30th anniversary? If so then wow, I'm very disappointed. :(
Funi needs to give the rights to DBZ to someone else. I've had enough of these bad releases
They really do. I just want my hands on the first 1989 version. Don’t care if it’s bad quality but I miss the old jokes and lines they first used.
Would be great if there was Dragon Ball Z Despecialized Editions.
probably
Such a disaster this turned out to be. I was skeptical when they announced this, but I signed the petition. No way will they get my money now. What a joke.
That bit at the end about there being no easy way to watch DBZ has been eating me up inside ever since that Q&A video of yours, and yeah, it's so frustrating that these companies are still screwing this stuff up. If there's any silver lining to this, if the color-corrections you showed in some of your other videos is anything to go by, it's that fans will probably color correct the footage themselves, add the original broadcast audio, share it on pirate sites for free, and end up making something better than this release.
BTW, nice to see another video from you! Stay strong, man!
Missed hearing your voice, love. ♥
We all did. Are you planning on making more of those music videos?
One of the problems they ran into with the original remaster attempt (before the orange bricks), is that much of the original footage had degraded over time. So they had to go in and fix warping, color fade, scratches etc. by hand. This also included shaving off bits of each frame that was too damaged to repair. Basically, every remaster we’ve seen has used this altered footage as the main starting point.
Even though I personally like vibrant colours, as someone who knows one thing or two about film photography, video and color, I always prefer the original look of Film as close as possible. Color correcting that thing more than just basic stuff kills pretty much the aesthetic of the film look 😣
There are more than enough skilled colorists and post-production supervisors, which means that the problem is something else.
It sucks that there's still no definitive HD release of DBZ. The closest things we ever got were the level sets (which we basically just the Saiyan saga) and Kai (which was great [and the only way I watched Z] up until Toei decided that neon yellowish-green was the way to go with the Final Chapters, that and the musical direction was piss poor). It's like, come on guys, how is it *this* hard to release a complete version of Z (and also the original too, for once?), when plenty other old shows could do it just fine (not *all*, mind you, but still).
EDIT: I was more talking about the direction than the actual music. In the Blu Ray release of pre-Buu Kai, the music was replaced with the same 7-8 Kikuchi tracks that got really old, really fast. They're not bad at all, but the music was very poorly implemented. As for Kai: TFC, a good 75% of the time the music never fit due to bad placement (had the same director as Kai 1.0, so it's clear this guy isn't very good at this), and I'm more mixed on Kai 2.0's OST. Some music was great, other music sucked, and while I appreciate the attempt to make the soundtrack sound a nit 90s-ish (it had VERY similar synth to the stuff in We Gotta Power), it doesn't fit the series that well, to me, especially with how poorly most of of the music was implemented.
It looks fine to.Me same as always I got the gold box versions so I'm good
I liked the music in Final Chapters
Noah Schneider don’t get caught saying that to kai fans
Too bad Kai has terrible music and voices
@The Fantom Convoy So I've heard.
Funimation is doing a good job trying to convince everyone that we don’t really need them anymore
@Angry Old Black Man Sunrise has their shit on LOCK.
@@user-ny5vp9be8v Which is why funimation has the rights to Code Geass, yeah?
@@MrInternetMan The dub wasn't dubbed in house by Funimation, only Akito Into Exiled. It was dubbed by Bang Zoom for Sunrise/Bandai Entertainment. Same goes for Iron Blooded Orphans, they're licensing the dub/show from them.
Zak Johnson SunRise studios doesn’t change the Japanese text to a different translation than what’s portrayed in the English like what Funimation did with Genki Dama to Spirt Bomb.
Light Yagami I really hope English isn't your first language
Jesus I've never heard you drop an F bomb like that
Funimation: We have the worst home releases
*OG Star Wars:* ArE yOu cHalLeNginG mE?
Jun Edenfield
Yeah, you ain't kidding. Thank God for Harmy's Despecialized Edition versions though. Now, if only Dragon Ball Z can get that kind of treatment.
For real
I am so sorry to bring up a topic from 3 years ago. Just a few days ago, I see an ads from Zaavi regarding a new pre-order for "Dragon Ball Z 30th Anniversary Limited Edition Complete Series Blu-ray Boxset (+ Ban Presto Goku)". I was wondering what this is? It is an reissue of the edition that was released in 2019? No one seems to know anything about this. Thanks
EDIT: I knew of this information 2 days ago. Now the preorder is closed and it has sold out.
Never heard you sound so pissed, I love it. Great to have you back, and hope life straightens itself out for you and anyone else who needs it
Let's just pray to God that this is placeholder footage.
What sucks is that Geekdom said that Toei was doing a remaster but this doesn't look anything like what they would release.
Pray to kami*
321GameTime Don’t trust that sellout Geekdom, he would praise anything funimation throws at him he’s just a tool for funimation to promote there garbage.
@@fortzprod.8096 Yeah... he keeps fence sitting and needs to just say it
@@fortzprod.8096 Think before you speak, yeah? In his recent video he actually points out some of what ajay says here. He admitted that its not all fine and dandy
Geekdom is a fraud and a dog who eats asshole of Schemmel
I knew there was a reason the orange bricks looked off to me when owning them. Thanks for the information
I mean Z kai is in 4:3 and they've done a pretty good job with that. 🤷♂️
However $350 is too much....
Kai is fucking trash
@@CarlosSanchez-wm7lu honest question, what makes you say that?
@@CarlosSanchez-wm7lu you say that yet won't give an explanation why it sucks, okay.
Carlos Sanchez why because it doesn’t have an autistic amount of filler?
@@CarlosSanchez-wm7lu loses filler - is called trash
Has filler - is amazing
Who cares either way. It's currently the best quality way to watch the show especially on blu-ray, apart from the "orange" DVD boxes. Soo... wheres the problem?
Here's what I don't understand: how hard is it to just take the footage from the Dragon Boxes, upscale it to 720p or 1080p, and place it on Blu-ray discs. It wouldn't be too expensive, and the only thing that would potentially need to be tweaked is getting the FUNimation dub with the American soundtracks to fill-up the ending and opening sequences. Even then, the FUNimation dub with the Japanese soundtrack just uses the Japanese audio to fill up those sections, so problem solved.
Nothing needs to be significantly remastered. Just take the good footage from the Dragon Boxes and upscale it.
People have to consider that when Funimation did put effort into remastering DBZ for Blu-ray to create a high-quality product, the Dragon Ball Z Level Sets, very few people were willing to pay what they justifiably cost, so Funimation had to discontinue the product before completely remastering the series.
it had poor timing. The orange sets were just released, the dragonbox sets were out of print and very limited. People were angry about that and in some fans were actually confused by the 3 versions. Also blu ray hadn't taken over yet.
I am mostly pissed about the grain aspect rather than everything else.
Fuckk.
I'm really starting to lose respect for Funimation. You expect they would put in some effort to put out stellar Remasters and this is what they have to show for it? And they expect us to shell out a ton of money for it. That's a hard pass on my end.
You’re just now starting to lose respect for FUNi? Where the fuck have you been since the 1990s and early 2000s? LOL!
Alpha Jay 3.0 It’s all good brother, I’m glad you’ve opened your eyes to the scam.
Alpha Jay 3.0 funimaSHILL
Why not to buy this:
To not support Funanimation. This alone should be enough.
Ha good joke bitch
Funimarion is actually a pretty good company, they just don’t know how to remaster a series. Sure, don’t buy this DBZ set, but a lot of their work is worth supporting.
Funimation are the undisputed kings of dubbing, their localisation is actually really good, they just suck at remasters.
@@Omnipotentmonkey unfortunately (not really) English isn't my native language so it doesn't really matter to me. English anime dubs for me always sound kind of forced.
@@bananasmoussestachio9017 That's fair, but for most english speakers they're a pretty good bet, particularly with series like Fullmetal Alchemist, where the original sub ends up sounding more forced (due to all the names being western-origin)
What's especially aggravating about this release is that aside from the collectibles, there's literally no other incentive to get this. If FUNi included the Japanese Broadcast audio that was provided to Chris Sabat and perhaps the inclusion of the missing insert tracks throughout the show, then I'd happily buy this and put up with the damaged footage yet again.
as an dbz fan who doesn't enjoy fan bullshit but this is just pathetic funi hell torrent's from fans are better and also has the dragon box's I have
messed up thing is this whole item isnt an option in the uk, triple fail from them
@@drww1 They fucking hate us, man. I'm shocked we even got Broly in cinemas.
@@Matt-cn2nn I'm not, the consumer did their part for Broly in cinemas, we gave them good business. It should've ended there, OR if they knew there was this drama among the employees, they should've declined the job or made sure the VA's didn't have to do press or touring together to minimize any problems.
@@brutalhonesty07 Eh? I was talking about the fact Broly was shown in the UK, despite Super having never aired to begin with and the brand itself being virtually nonexistent.
How are fans versions better if they've never released a proper 4:3 release? Unless we're talking extensive editing, I don't get how that's possible
This is why I used the Dragon Boxes for my DBZ Recut + the original broadcast audio. This is a hot mess.
So let me get this straight. They’re expecting people to pay $350 for this garbage?
Talk about trying to milk your fans and the sad part is, they’ll probably make the money they want. Why even put in the effort, when you can do a lazy job and you know for a fact that the fans will be dumb enough to buy it 😑.
come on now, they've been milking dragon ball since the 90s, just find people stupid enough to keep supporting it
Sounds like good business
We should just watch it from kissanime or crynchyroll= save them on a DVD and there! your oooown collection
Capcom?
Sounds like Fallout 76. Heres hoping It'll backfire on them like 76 did to Bethesda.
Excellent video. You explain everything in under 10 minutes. I wish everyone would understand the same as you. It´s so sad to not have a decent DBZ release yet.
2:15 Well, we may lose a good chunk of the upper and lower parts... but in return we get more on the sides... that's a good trade of right? .........................right? xD
Not to mention. I doubt they're going to use the fan preservation of the Japanese Broadcast-quality audio.
As someone that loves the Japanese version of Dragon Ball Z it pisses me off that Funimation can't give us a Dragon Box quality set with the Japanese broadcast audio that would be a definitive set that I would buy day one if they did that. Dragon Ball Z is the most milked anime in history. The 90s Sailor Moon Series has a better fucking release with viz media then any release for Dragon Ball Z that isn't Kai.
My boy Ajay we missed you!
Dragon Ball Life indeed
Thank you AnimeAjay and Geekdom101 for not giving a damn about the corporations and giving us the truth
@Timmy Ryan I thought he was staying out of that drama?
@Timmy Ryan tbh not surprised, he's always been a kiss ass to what's popular.
@Timmy Ryan i read somewhere that ajay is a kickvic supporter as well. what do you think about it? we knew geekdom is a two faced asshole with idiots supporters that won't go against him, but ajay would have nothing to win in taking sides
Timmy Ryan Perfection is a lying litter shit. Don't trust the diarrhea that comes from his mouth.
@@Skynet666officialchannel I don't care if Ajay has stupid politics so long as they aren't shoved down my throat. He could be a mega-feminist or a national socialist and so long as his videos are about animation, I don't really care.
It sucks that Japan is getting AMAZING remasters.
The Random Guy and Co
I'm not to sure about that.
@@SuperCartoonist Well, you can be, because they do.
@@noalb3108 what sucks isn't that Japan gets the amazing ones, but that everyone else doesn't.
nesznoe2
No, what I'm saying is that they tampered with the quality as well, and not leaving the masters as it is.
I wish I could have a region free did player so I could get those DVDs
Everything you said in this video is technically correct, but lemme play devil's advocate here. I'm a video professional by trade AND a huge DBZ fan, and I think I can actually tell you exactly what they were thinking in making these decisions.
So you got three main gripes here: first is that the 4:3 transfer is inexplicably cropped, second is that the noise reduction is overzealous, and third is that the color is blown out. It doesn't look the way the Dragon Box looked, therefore it doesn't look the way it should, therefore it does look like hot ass on a cold day.
I'ma go through this point by point. What if I told you that the messed up way this proposed Blu-ray looks actually IS how DBZ is supposed to look? Well how could that be? It all actually comes down to the first point you made in this video, and it's something no one ever thinks about. It's about how the TVs work.
When DBZ first aired, all TVs displayed their picture on a cathode ray tube. A scanning electron gun fires electrical beams at a shadow mask (or an aperture grill if you're one of the lucky Trinitron owners out there), and it fires off 480 lines across 720 colored pixels 30 times every second. Depending on when that beam is turned off and on, and how bright it is, all across a fraction of a fraction of a second, it hits a different colored pixel and makes a piece of a picture. It's basically stained glass with intelligent, animated lightning behind it. That's just how it works.
Nowadays, we do not have smart lightning. On today's TVs, we have a grid of color and opacity changing pixels with a solid light behind them. Unless you spent 3 grand on an OLED TV, in which case, awesome! But the rest of us, we got flat light color pixels. And that's great, we got a lot more pixels than that old TV now. No more 720 lines 480 times. Now we got 1,920 pixel rows lighting up one by one, and there are 1,080 of them! That's a lot more detail. And if you got a 4K TV, it's quadruple that. These TVs we have now, it's a lot easier to see things like film grain and digital noise on them. Those older TVs were less detailed, so they had a natural way of hiding stuff like that. Your modern TV gives you a sharper image with a lot more to look at in it.
But that's not the TV that DBZ was made to be seen on. DBZ wants you to watch it on that old cathode ray tube screen. That's what it was made for. And what difference does that make? Well I'll tell you.
Those old TVs were less detailed, and with their electron guns, they were a hell of a lot brighter and more colorful than our TVs are now. I mean modern TVs employ all kinds of digital trickery to make them look brighter and more colorful, but it's all just an illusion made by a little computer built into your TV, it's just like an Instagram filter. Fact is those old CRTs (that's what we call Cathode Ray Tubes) had brighter brights, more vivid colors, AND because that electron gun could turn all the way off thousands of times per second, darker darks, blacker blacks, and deeper depth. Everybody got that? Less detail, but brighter brightness, darker darkness, and more vivid colors.
But those electron guns weren't perfect. They were always lined up pretty good, but they were never quite right, they'd always shoot their picture a little off-center. And that's why the pictures sent to these old TVs were always a little bigger around the edges. The outside edges of the picture were always meant to get cropped off the edges of your TV, that's just how it was. It's called overscan, and every old TV overscanned. Fact is that's how it's supposed to look. They would even sometimes hide crap they didn't want you to see in the overscan. Like if you've played Super Mario 3 recently, maybe you noticed that the right side of the screen always looks messed up. That's because it's supposed to be hiding behind the overscan. You couldn't see that on old TVs.
So again, Dragon Ball Z was made for TVs that had brighter colors, less detail, deeper blacks, and that overscanned. More vivid color, less detail, cropped edges. I'm gonna say that again.
DBZ was made for televisions that naturally gave their pictures more vivid color, less detail, and cropped edges.
And what were the main things about this new Blu-ray set that this video was complaining about?
The Dragon Box was a DVD set. DVDs were invented for those old kinds of TVs. Blu-rays were invented for the newer TVs. All the things they changed about the picture for this proposed Blu-ray release sound an awful lot like they're just taking an old show made for old TVs and making it look right on new TVs. If you watch the Dragon Box on a CRT, it'll probably look a lot like this new Blu-ray. If you watch the Dragon Box on a modern TV, it won't look the same as it would on the kind of TV Dragon Ball Z was made for. It would look more dull, because that's just how newer TVs work. Pop this new Blu-ray in on your modern high-def TV though, and it'll probably look closer to the way DBZ did when it actually aired on TV. Because it has less detail, brighter colors, and cropped edges.
Thanks for coming to my TED Talk.
This was really interesting
thecianinator and of course barely anyone notices
I was actually reminded of the "scanline" argument for video games (that is, the "old" TV look for old video games on modern TVs) when this video brought up grain, so I'm glad I'm not alone in my thinking...
Holy crap, THANK you for this comment! You are clearly far more researched in this subject than the video maker is, and you just convinced me to buy this set. You just became legendary! More people need to see this comment!
Your a Legend my friend I love how all these RUclipsrs swear they're experts on every subject . Then an actual person like yourself who actually works at the trade shuts them down 💪
Missed my favourite Dbz RUclipsr.
The trailer honestly pissed me off SOOO MUCH!
I saw your comparisons on Twitter and this needed to be a video. It's like looking through a pair of old dirty glasses. How it's 2019 and we can't get a good re master of the DBZ series is beyond me.
its so, 7 years from now, they can sell you the ACTUAL collection you want... again.
Keep giving them money pay piggies.
With all these problems, we forgot to mention original title cards, next episode previews, and the lost Japanese broadcast audio that the fans so painstakingly collected using recorded VHS tapes and then handed in to funimation. And another thing, no other set except the dragon box set uses cha la head ch la as the opening for the English dub. Even if you watch it in english with original Japanese Kikuchi score, it still plays the American rock theme. just a nit pick but still.
Not a nitpick, those are GENUINE concerns.
I'm so lucky that I got one set of the Dragon Box when I did. It released during a time when I was too young to care to look into these things, & the last releases I got were on VHS, so for whatever reason (I think I liked that it seemed like a premium release, artbook, new cover designs, etc.) I decided to shovel over $60 of my own money to buy the set & only years later did I realize how important these sets are.
Funimation is lazy, and incompetent
In other news: Water is wet
Why did the cameraman cross the road?
Because the Lens De-gainer was on the other side.
Why don’t they every redo Dragon Ball too? I hate how they just ignore the first chapters of the series.
Right the path to power movie I thought looked great.
we do need a hd blue ray remaster of the original series
It makes sense from a project management perspective. No one can ever just let a simple, easily completed task just be what it is if they have a chance to turn it into an overcomplicated mess. I guarantee you that there's someone, somewhere, who wants to release the original Dragon Ball footage in the uncropped aspect ratio, no weird filters, no color "enhancement", just a direct original release. *Maybe* some kind of leveling, or stablization or something.
But then there are six other guys who wanna prove themselves who say, "no, that's not good enough! let me tell you MY IDEA of a tweak we could make!" So soon you get some punched up color, smoothed out grain, random zoom crop, resharpening filter, and on down the line. It happens every time.
"Once in a lifetime release"...that they didn't sell out of, then repurposed the masters of for new Blu-Ray steelbook sets a year or 2 later... 😑
As a person that loves video quality, this was very informative and stuff I NEEDED to know.
Honestly? I splurged and bought all the Dragon Boxes when they came out. It's been years, and I will never regret my decision. It's still the best release, imo.
I mean everybody knows that the best home release in the entire dbz franchise is the manga.
Edit:Please have mercy
Not arguing in favor of super high contrast where it isn't due, but you can't tell me 5:40 is supposed to be in any way indicative of what the original result (as drawn on to a cel/as recorded on film/as broadcast on RF YUV) was supposed to look like, actually it's pretty much the opposite end of Funimation's spectrum, and it still looks terrible. Kai in general is one big mess, and I can assure you they had no intention of leaving well enough alone. I don't know if you've seen Kei17's personal color correction using the Dragon Boxes, but they were my personal gold standard as far as color correction goes, and the Level Sets are the BEST released thing featuring something anywhere close to that (I read they hired very expensive professionals to make them, that's why they had to stop).
Legitimately all they have to do is release the dragon boxes on some Blu-Rays in the same style as the level sets and they could have a definitive release, I don't understand why Funimation keeps releasing all these garbage sets when they've seen how to make a good Dragon Ball Z home release, it just baffles me.
"Hey Ajay what's the best way to watch Dragonball z?"
AnimeAjay: "You wanna what????"
My answer: Watch the TFS parody.
Dylan the Fragmentationer - JonesDylan874
No.
@@uchihaedgelord5589 OH, HERE WE GO!
Funimation: yet another release you could've enjoyed.
Fans: I- I won't watch this ANYMORE!
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!
:Goes ssj2:
I just hope that funimation will attend my funeral, so they lower my casket into the ground and let me down one last time.
I think film grain can really add to aesthetic of film, it’s like a memory printed on film.
4 years later I got mine never opened the blu-ray set but opened the art book . I don't regret the purchase had the art book signed by some of the voice actors at different convention's and expos the shock on the face of Sean Schemmel when he asked me "where did you get this is great". When I told him it was this limited edition release and he replied "that's awesome I don't even have one" was priceless.... Glad I didn't listen to you great video and explanation though.
Just gonna stick to my orange bricks. Might be cropped but at least its watchable.
Same. Yeah they suck but not gonna shell out a bunch of money for something that’s minimally better. If anything this is worse because not only are you losing image at the top and bottom, you’re losing image on the left and right too because they zoomed the entire picture in.
Yup.
Im glad orange bricks have ost instead of that trash falconer score, falconer score only has like 4 good songs
This is better than orange bricks
Im not a fan of the orange bricks but I love my Dragon Ball DVD collection from 2003. Its perfect. Its not saturated with vibrant colours or brighten that eliminates the shades. Its like it was meant to be shown. I love the grain and the 4:3 ratio. This is all I want from Dragon ball z. Why do they go so overboard with these dbz releases? Cant believe they cancelled the 2011 bluray releases because they were great.
Thing is too, why pay for a crappy blu-ray when you can get it for free with good quality on sites like kissanime and masteranime.
because you know, support the creator.
@@dodge2451 But youre also support the scumbags at Funimation
@@Jordie_42 so you rather the show didnt exist.
They also want this for $300, so I've heard. I'm not paying that much for a set of anime merchandise.
I'd pay 1500$ and have for the Monogatari Blu Rays
Noise reduction is a pure nonsense you will only lose information.
The only thing you shall do with film is restore the burns which is a completely different thing.
I know a lot of people won’t like this but I won’t buy any release unless they give me the option for Faulconer’s music. Yeah a lot of hardcore fans hate it but it’s if this is a 30th anniversary celebration, they need to have it as an option.
Edit: I don’t hate either OST I enjoy them both a lot but if this is supposed to be a celebration of DBZ, the option needs to be available.
Actually I agree with you I love Bruce faulconer's OST it made Dragon Ball Z the best anime in history people who hate it is because they are into that piece of shit Japanese OST😡👎 and the 30th anniversary is far worse than I thought
I can't even watch this.
It makes my stomach turn to see images destroyed by blurring effects.
Funi has been telling people to use the support section of their website for comments about the set. This video has more views than even Funi's trailers - you've got quite the audience. In the off chance flooding their mailbox with requests for the untouched footage with grain works, mind asking people to email them? I already have, but I don't have your cred with the average Dragon Ball fan.
i remember seeing this announced and saw the price and quickly thought "yeaa im fine with my kai sets"
The Pokemon anime has been cursed with localizations, Edits and Music replacements for the longest time and it's 2020 it doesn't seem to be changing anytine soon and people using this "It's just a kid's anime" as an excuse to justify that is one of the Shittest and stupidest excuse i ever heard
No wonder everybody tells me the Dragon Box is the Best. Still I grew out of DBZ I don't care much of the Quality anymore.
I own all the original Japanese 4:3 dvd releases.. this new remaster looks like shit compared to them.. so much detail lost. :(
Lucky
The dragon box set ?
The level sets are the best and as close to the master tapes compared to any release before it. Except for the color grade, it has the most detail and preservation of grain, besting Funi's own cheap ass rerelease ment to supercede it.
Thank you for telling us about the bluray disaster
this has to be the most mind blowing thing ever, well maybe not literally but it is up there.
The word back in the day is that the level sets were to expensive to finish, but then they have since then released the current blu ray, are releasing the blu ray from this video and have made Kai.
DBZ prints money. it is a fucking goldmine. Any cost that it would take to make the level sets complete would easily be recouped. I can't even fathom why they wouldn't invest in this. If this set from this video was the once in a life time level sets finished, it would sell out in 20 minutes followed by many people say "PRINT MORE AND TAKE MY DAMN MONEY"
It's like choosing not to make guaranteed money. I can't even fathom it.
There’s so bad that’s why they’re now reselling on eBay for $900 and people are paying for it.
Funimation has met their quota despite all of this. The sad reality is, that fan outcry, or fancry as I'm now calling it, really doesn't make a difference. Star Wars fans have been outraged about the Special Editions and Greedo shooting first for over 30 years now, and what's the most that has ever come out of it? They were briefly thrown a bone when there was a limited release of the original unaltered movies in terrible quality. Ever since the "orange bricks" came out, there's be fancry over that, and what came out of it? Funimation threw those people a bone with the Dragon Boxes. The simple reality is, that angry people are actually a very small minority. If anyone is wondering why Funimation can "get away" with this despite their releases being so "obviously bad" the reality is that most people either don't care or don't think that way, but most people are also not vocal on the internet. Look up "False Consensus Effect." If you want evidence that your opinions are actually a minority, when the season Blu-Rays were announced, Funimation let fans vote on whether they wanted it to be widescreen or 4:3, and the majority voted for widescreen. A poll conducted by the Dragon Ball wiki: dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/Dragon_Ball_Wiki:Poll_Archive#August_8.2C_2014_-_June_25.2C_2015
Most people watch the dub, despite how loud the "Japanese only" people are, they are a small minority.
*Funimation produces a poor remaster*
"Ah shit. Here we go again."
You are the absolute best Dragon Ball RUclipsr sir! Your knowledge is greatly needed! Please bring more breakdowns of DB/Z/GT our way!
Just canceled my preorder. Please forgive me and thanks for the info!
There's nothing to forgive.
You don’t have to apologize for being lied to by Funimation.
I wouldn't blame you for thinking about ordering in the first place. You do you but I suggest to wait until Funimation either changes the price of this set or announce something of actual quality. Even though this is the first that someone like Ajay has complained about this, the original Dragon Ball series were released the same quality with the Blue Bricks/Season Sets. They were 4:3 but like with this new Dragon Box Set, they were still cropped around the screen with all of funimation other edits such as the grain and saturation. If you have the original series that funimation released in the blue bricks and don't mind that kind of quality then the Dragon Box still might be good for you but if price is something not in your favor then I would say wait it out until something better appears. I don't get why Ajay doesn't talk about or at least mention the Dragon Ball blue bricks once as the video quailty in there is the exact same as what Funimation is promoting right now.
*WE WANT A FUCKING REMASTERED FROM SCRATCH.*
We need desperately someone else to secure distribution rights to the Dragon Ball franchise. Who do you think it should be?
I think the original dvd sets with vegeta as season 1 and so forth isn't bad I've just started buying them.
you know how sad that they probably most likely tooked an already cropped 16:9 video collection and cropped that crop into 4:3
As a longtime fan of the series I can certainly appreciate a clean looking remastered re-release of the show, but I had no idea so many factors came into play with the actual quality of what we’re gonna pay for. I do want to buy this set but after this very well made video pointing out the key details I could miss, I’ll hold off until we get definitive word this is the actual picture we’re all asking for. Thanks man 👍🏻
Can Toei and Fuji just put Funmation out of it's misery and find a better American distributor. Funmation is such a cluster fuck rn.
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I'd love for that to happen.
People continue to ignore that the Blu Ray remasters Funi did from the original films weren’t just cropped to 16:9. They literally went through every scene and edited the crop to show everything you needed to see. It’s really not that big of a deal. Wide screen looks better on new tv’s. If you’re THAT much of a purist then buy the VHS’s and watch it on a CRT.
0:38 My Boi Ajay Has Unleashed Tha Rage😱😂
Why couldn't it be over 9000!!! Copies?
It doesn't help that there's no "perfect" release of the manga, either. I'm to the point where I feel like the only way to really experience DB is to learn Japanese and buy the kanzenban.
How is there no perfect release of the manga?
@@AceBountyHunterRex VIZ is filled with censorship, stupid dialogue, and there are no colour pages.
Also there are bizarre translation choices such as Majin Boo being called "Djin Boo".
@@AceBountyHunterRex Yeah, the censorship and their refusal or inability to release an edition with all of the color art. Right now you have to pick between uncensored but poor paper quality and B&W (the three-in-ones) or high paper quality, some color (but still not all the color), but the heavy censorship (the Viz Big editions). And I don't know Japanese to speak of the translation quality, but I've heard that it's not great beyond the naming conventions, like Piccolo's bizarre "elevated" syntax in Z (that he didn't have in the original DB volumes).
@@uchihaedgelord5589 I don't even hate the weird name choices! I don't always like them, but I understand them (Vegerot, for example). It's the censorship, dialogue, and color that really irks me. Hell, I'd take bad dialogue if we can just get the colored pages and uncensored art. And the original color, NOT the Full Color versions. I like the original colors a lot, and I prefer to experience my art as close to the originals as possible.
@@NeoTideProductions is this a common occurrence with manga or more so dbz specifically?
Funimation have completely lost all my respect and will not be supporting them anymore. It’s only a matter of time before they get ripped to shreds.
We shouldn't be giving Funimation any money not just because they cant make a 80s TV show correctly, but because of the other issues going on there that set a terrible precedent for the industry.