Everyone, just a quick explanation, while James and Thomas do make some adjustments to the G410 LST driver in this video, the goal of the video isn't to fit Thomas perfectly for the G410 LST. That process would require additional steps more directly related to his golf swing and patterns. Rather, what we're trying to do in this video is to show how the Trackman numbers compare between the G410 LST, G400 LST and G400 Plus in their standard settings using the same shaft, as well as see if there are any trajectory or curvature biases between the three. Based on the shot pattern we saw from Thomas using the new G410 LST, we then highlighted some of the fitting features that are available in that driver to combat the pattern he was seeing that day, which we view as being more interesting to a wider audience of players who have a similar miss as opposed to simply fitting one player, that being Thomas. In short, our goal here was to focus on the club as opposed to focusing on fitting an individual. Hope that makes sense and thanks for watching
A problem that appears consistent with all theses fittings from every manufacturer and fitter is that they all have the person being fitted hitting multiple or repeat swings with each club which is ok initially to coral large fitting parameters, but on a golf course, unless you pumped one into a forest or lake, you never hit two back to back drivers or anything for that matter. Run into this with many students, but one specific student would go try all these different manufacturers heads and shafts and came to conclusions based on their most warmed up, loose, most potent out of shoes swings which translates to lower driver lofts and stiffer shaft fittings as well as equivalent in the irons. Then they go out on a Sunday after noon with their new weapon and hit a total of 11 drivers all day intermingled with all the other swings of irons and chips and pitches and putts during the day and the results of the drivers they choose are poor at best. Then you hand them softer shaft higher loft driver and they automatically relax, put a much better repeatable and slower move on it, the shaft bends properly and gives them the flex back properly, the loft is appropriate, the ball flies properly and the result is down the middle and is easy for them. They respond with mixed feelings as it is easy and in perfect position, but less distance than the bombs they know they can hit. Some how they still struggle to grasp the concept of best result on what could be considered their lower performance average swings. I like to show them swings of David Toms or Davis Love to get the point across. They could swing way harder but don’t. Is testing drivers one swing at a time between two or three irons shots something that you ever do? Would like to see that implemented much more often as a more realistic real world result. Additionally, as a side note, one should also reverse through the order of drivers such as this video moves through drivers old to newest as he is getting more and more warmed up but doesn’t go back through when he is warm, nor do you have him , one shot at a time random or through the options once he is warm and has settled back down from ripping at the newer driver. As an example of the initial query, personally I can get 200mph ball speed after a session on the range of getting jacked up and going nuclear power, but it just doesn’t translate on the course after a medium pitch on the hole before and a 10 minute wait on the next tee. How more relevant the application to regular folk. Your thoughts, and thanks for the great videos!
Bearded golfer thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts. The principle behind getting fit for your clubs is to minimize errors by matching the clubs to your natural swing tendencies so that you hit the ball naturally, the best possible way you can. It’s never going to be perfect or the professionals would never miss as there is always room for error and why we tune in on Sunday’s because of the element of surprise. Getting fit will help you hit better with the clubs you have more consistently over time no matter the variables thrown your way.
Grest comparison! Spring 2020, I’ll be comparing my F9 driver with ACCRA 2.0 365 M4 shaft to a G410 Plus at Club Champion NJ. I was custom fit for the F9 early February this year at Club Champion NJ and Here are my stats from that fitting: 98.7 club head speed, 146.6 ball speed, 1.49 smash, 13.9 launch, 2,395 spin, 241.9 yards carry, 266.5 yards total, 89 height, 38.5 ft. Right, +2.4 attack angle, all measured with Trackman. It was early Feb and I haven’t played any golf since November of last year, hence my club head speed was kinda low, could’ve been a few mph faster. My intuition is saying the G410 LST wouldn’t be a good fit for my club head speed. With trackman, I’m guessing the fastest i can get to is 103-105 mph. I can use the higher MOI head of the G410. My F9 was custom fit at 44.5 inches and heavy weight forward which reduces the MOI even more. Over 20 rounds this year, my ARCOSS stats on my F9 driver is showing a smart distance of 246 yards, Range of 234 (low) to 266 (high) and a 297 longest. Fairway accuracy: 2 way miss: 45% fairways hit, 35% missed left & 21% missed right. My swing maybe more at fault here than possibly the F9 head.. but I have to believe the F9 head with the heavy weight forward is a big part of my 2 way miss. Looking forward to this comparison. I’m also looking into swapping out my current F9 3 & 4 woods and 3H & 4H hybrids. Can definitely use the Flat settings in the fairway woods and the F9 hybrids are glued hosels. More options with the G410 fairway woods and hybrids
Great display by Thomas as usual, the toe setting added spin was from the tip being a bit too active. Those shot locations above equator with 1.49 smash shouldn't have spun that much with so solid a delivery, shafts matter people especially over 105mph
I would like to have seen the loft reduced a degree with the lie and weight set at neutral. The open face may have helped with the draw. He was getting plenty of height so the lower loft may not of hurt.
Everyone, just a quick explanation, while James and Thomas do make some adjustments to the G410 LST driver in this video, the goal of the video isn't to fit Thomas perfectly for the G410 LST. That process would require additional steps more directly related to his golf swing and patterns. Rather, what we're trying to do in this video is to show how the Trackman numbers compare between the G410 LST, G400 LST and G400 Plus in their standard settings using the same shaft, as well as see if there are any trajectory or curvature biases between the three. Based on the shot pattern we saw from Thomas using the new G410 LST, we then highlighted some of the fitting features that are available in that driver to combat the pattern he was seeing that day, which we view as being more interesting to a wider audience of players who have a similar miss as opposed to simply fitting one player, that being Thomas. In short, our goal here was to focus on the club as opposed to focusing on fitting an individual. Hope that makes sense and thanks for watching
A problem that appears consistent with all theses fittings from every manufacturer and fitter is that they all have the person being fitted hitting multiple or repeat swings with each club which is ok initially to coral large fitting parameters, but on a golf course, unless you pumped one into a forest or lake, you never hit two back to back drivers or anything for that matter. Run into this with many students, but one specific student would go try all these different manufacturers heads and shafts and came to conclusions based on their most warmed up, loose, most potent out of shoes swings which translates to lower driver lofts and stiffer shaft fittings as well as equivalent in the irons. Then they go out on a Sunday after noon with their new weapon and hit a total of 11 drivers all day intermingled with all the other swings of irons and chips and pitches and putts during the day and the results of the drivers they choose are poor at best. Then you hand them softer shaft higher loft driver and they automatically relax, put a much better repeatable and slower move on it, the shaft bends properly and gives them the flex back properly, the loft is appropriate, the ball flies properly and the result is down the middle and is easy for them. They respond with mixed feelings as it is easy and in perfect position, but less distance than the bombs they know they can hit. Some how they still struggle to grasp the concept of best result on what could be considered their lower performance average swings. I like to show them swings of David Toms or Davis Love to get the point across. They could swing way harder but don’t.
Is testing drivers one swing at a time between two or three irons shots something that you ever do? Would like to see that implemented much more often as a more realistic real world result. Additionally, as a side note, one should also reverse through the order of drivers such as this video moves through drivers old to newest as he is getting more and more warmed up but doesn’t go back through when he is warm, nor do you have him , one shot at a time random or through the options once he is warm and has settled back down from ripping at the newer driver.
As an example of the initial query, personally I can get 200mph ball speed after a session on the range of getting jacked up and going nuclear power, but it just doesn’t translate on the course after a medium pitch on the hole before and a 10 minute wait on the next tee. How more relevant the application to regular folk.
Your thoughts, and thanks for the great videos!
Bearded golfer thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts. The principle behind getting fit for your clubs is to minimize errors by matching the clubs to your natural swing tendencies so that you hit the ball naturally, the best possible way you can. It’s never going to be perfect or the professionals would never miss as there is always room for error and why we tune in on Sunday’s because of the element of surprise. Getting fit will help you hit better with the clubs you have more consistently over time no matter the variables thrown your way.
Very thorough review and comparison!
Thanks for watching - Thomas
Grest comparison! Spring 2020, I’ll be comparing my F9 driver with ACCRA 2.0 365 M4 shaft to a G410 Plus at Club Champion NJ.
I was custom fit for the F9 early February this year at Club Champion NJ and Here are my stats from that fitting: 98.7 club head speed, 146.6 ball speed, 1.49 smash, 13.9 launch, 2,395 spin, 241.9 yards carry, 266.5 yards total, 89 height, 38.5 ft. Right, +2.4 attack angle, all measured with Trackman. It was early Feb and I haven’t played any golf since November of last year, hence my club head speed was kinda low, could’ve been a few mph faster.
My intuition is saying the G410 LST wouldn’t be a good fit for my club head speed. With trackman, I’m guessing the fastest i can get to is 103-105 mph. I can use the higher MOI head of the G410. My F9 was custom fit at 44.5 inches and heavy weight forward which reduces the MOI even more. Over 20 rounds this year, my ARCOSS stats on my F9 driver is showing a smart distance of 246 yards, Range of 234 (low) to 266 (high) and a 297 longest. Fairway accuracy: 2 way miss: 45% fairways hit, 35% missed left & 21% missed right. My swing maybe more at fault here than possibly the F9 head.. but I have to believe the F9 head with the heavy weight forward is a big part of my 2 way miss.
Looking forward to this comparison. I’m also looking into swapping out my current F9 3 & 4 woods and 3H & 4H hybrids. Can definitely use the Flat settings in the fairway woods and the F9 hybrids are glued hosels. More options with the G410 fairway woods and hybrids
would have liked to see him hit the g400 again after being warmed up. For 4mph less club head speed the g400 looks like it kept right up!
Yeah we have tours with the idea of coming back to the original compared club a few times. Maybe we will on the next!
In my fitting of the then New G410 vs my G400, only 2-5 yrds more max. Yes, more tunable but not worth the update. I’ll look harder at the NEXT G420😜
G410 plus with weight Toe is just superb for you! Not the longest but the accuracy ist on point !
Thank you for watching!
Great display by Thomas as usual, the toe setting added spin was from the tip being a bit too active. Those shot locations above equator with 1.49 smash shouldn't have spun that much with so solid a delivery, shafts matter people especially over 105mph
You are absolutely correct, shafts do matter! Thanks for watching!
I would like to have seen the loft reduced a degree with the lie and weight set at neutral. The open face may have helped with the draw. He was getting plenty of height so the lower loft may not of hurt.
He consistently gained 3-5 mph club head speed with the G410 then the G400. Didn’t think that was even possible.
Could be he was just warming up.
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lst 410 did nothing for me w 60x tensi orange shafts a piece of crap