How Ancient Egyptians Sounded
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- Опубликовано: 13 мар 2024
- What did ancient Egyptians sound like? Professor of Egyptology and Archaeology Laurel Bestock explains how we know.
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I didn't expect my takeaway to be regarding the positive historical accuracy of the mummy movies.
Jurassic Park could never
@@kumottakun6089 😂😂😂
I always saw the movie as goofy yet adventurous, so to see there is some historical accuracy is really nice too 😅
Same.. so much this
If you're interested in that, Rachel Maksy made a video about The Mummy with an egyptologist, I really recommend it!
The Mummy was such a banger. Prime Brenden Fraser and Racheal Weisz 💪🏽
I'll never forget when the mummy screams in his face the first time😂
Hey Benny, it looks to me like you're on the wrong side of the river!!!
I showed it to my teen last year and he watched back-to-back until The Mummy 3. LOL
Gotta say, Rachael Weisz looks like that to this day, breathtakingly beautiful woman
@@tracys169Nicee, it's a classic!
The mummy single-handedly made me want to be an archaeologist as a kid 😭 later on Indiana Jones as well. I love the mummy so much and still I’m so fascinated by ancient Egypt.
I loved Indiana jones! Named my dog Indiana Bones 😂
Big bet you were in Egypt in a past life. 😅
So, if your user name is any indication, you are an archaeologist now?
Explains your profile picture 😉
I almost become an egyptologist thanks to the Mummy 😭
Imagine being one of the best architects in human history and becoming the standard villain of every Egyptian mummy movie thousands of years in the future.
poor Amenhotep III
@@dynamitedingo8183I wonder what the people who worked for him would think of that. 🤔
Kinda cool :)
Pretty metal if you ask me
because every mummy movie needs a famous brown guy for the white hero to kill.
Imhotep was one of the first artists in history whose name we still have today. It's simply the coolest thing ever to me to hear what ancient people called themselves, and to know he was so important too
iirc, it is the oldest name in history for a "commoner," someone not a king or pharoah
@@ObjectorSnark and he went on to be deified by later dynasties.
@@nicholassingleton6488 dude invented "the pyramid"...that's god-tier architecture
@@ObjectorSnark my 4yo granddaughter builds pyramids of blocks. Mound building is the first structures the human mind can construct. There are mounds everywhere, even in stone age cultures.
Now the actual pyramids are complex inside, but the first pyramids were just piling stones and learning as they went. Giza was many many centuries into stone mound building, and built after they had learned wall, lentel and roof construction.
Some say he was yosef , Joseph, son of Jacob .
I worked for an IT company...there was a SQL job named Imhotep that would move files to their afterlife after a set time in storage.
This is so great, whoever originated that is a genius 😆
Because I'm fun at parties; Anubis would be better.
Sorry
@@SkagulTVoh right because he was the deity that escorted the dead to the afterlife?
Brilliant
@@SkagulTVthe world is a better place because of your fact checking 👏
Coptic Orthodox Christian here. Thanks for the shout out. Not only have we preserved and perform parts of our liturgy in Coptic, but the hymns we sing have similar rhythm and melody as the pharaonic songs.
Become Catholic. Outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation
@@CubeInspector I’m certain your heart is in the right place but you’re as misguided as Orthodox Christians who say that about Catholics. God bless you and keep you and may His face always shine upon you.
@@CubeInspector 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@CubeInspectorthe Orthodox Church is the true church. Papal supremacy is a heresy.
@@CubeInspector Another fairy tale.
I need a full 2 hours with this lady on this topic
there's a 20 min video attached to this short in which she answers other questions on ancient egypt if that's any good?
@@projectjupiter5523that wouldn’t cut it buddy
I was thinking the same exact thing!
Forget mummies, I want this mommy 😍 lmao
@@christianmiller710mommy 😭😭😭😭😭
I could barely take one minute of her, even though the topic is very interesting to me.
The mummy was such a legendary movie fr
Fr didn't expect it to be historical accurate too
I saw it yesterday and it was so corny. Perhaps it's a nostalgia thing
@@aynain1810 it is kinda corny yes but that's what I like about it tbh 😂
@@asadmalik2464there is a well known review of the movie that goes like, there's hardly anything I can say in its favor, except I enjoyed almost every minute of it. Lol
@aynain1810 the 50s mummy movie is pretty corny too, doesn't make either less of a classic :)
I wish this was around when I was in elementary school. Covering ancient Egypt was my favorite back then
It was around but in books
They were black so why are the actors white? Can't trust these "historians".
I used to draw Pyramids constantly. And we had a Word list of the week thing, I would always sneak in the word Ancient because it was my favorite word. :D
Yall covered ancient Egypt in elementary school? Were this college credited courses?
@@MayorGoldieWilson825 lol no! It was just like super brief lessons! I just remember it because it was when I first learned about them. I should have said middle school when we actually spent more time learning about them🤣
I think people forget that ancient Egypt lasted a long time. Like REEEEAAALLYYYYY long. The pyramids were as ancient to Cleopatra as she is to us.
Cleopatra died in 30 BC. The Pyramids were completed before 2600 BC. We are closer in date to the Roman Republic's wars with Carthage (the Punic Wars) starting in 264 BC. The beginnings of Ancient Sparta of around 650 BC is finally getting closer to Egypt.
An Egyptian Christian confirms that this is very true + we still pray in Coptic and Arabic in church✝️☦️✝️
That one line “Hieroglyphics don’t make sound” is hilarious because neither do letters. They’re just supposed to be transcriptions of our speech
Edit: I don’t think some of y’all know how to read. Some of y’all are just looking at the letters without comprehending what they mean
If i remember right, arent hieroglyphs phonetic sounds? so you put together symbols to make words, rather than like chinese where a character is a whole word?
@@fuzzblightyear145 Heiroglyphics were, yes. That's what she says in the video. Chinese characters aren't, you're correct, but they don't represent words so much as morphemes which are units of meanings. It would be more accurate to say a single character represents a word except that's an oversimplification because multiple characters each with their own individual (and often unrelated) meaning that mean something totally different when put together.
Ex 轿车 means car
轿 Means palanquin
车 Means vehicle
公交车 means bus
公 Means male
交 Means friendship
车 Means vehicle
I think hieroglyphs were both. Rebus principle with the addition of determinatives which told you what kind of concept the sound related to, in order to avoid confusion.
@@AnarexicSumo Correcting your comment since you made some mistakes in the word definitions:
"轿车" Doesn't mean "car", it means "Sedan" which is a specific type of car.
The correct translation for car would be
just "车" or "汽车" meaning "gas vehicle".
"公" can mean male in some contexts, but in the word "公交车" it means "public"
"交" means "to deliver" or "to reach". It only means "friendship" in certain contexts.
So an actual translation of "公交" would be "Public Transport". Making "公交车" actually mean "Public Transport Vehicle".
And in some languages - like English! - we're NOTORIOUSLY inconsistent about what each letter is supposed to sound like.
The Mummy was one of my mom's favorite movies. Probably watched it on VHS together more times than I can count as a kid. Ironically, it came on during one of my last few hospital visits. We watched it together, and even though she wasn't doing all that great, I'm glad we watched it one more time. I'm sure she'd be really happy to know the Egyptian was accurate.
I saw it at the cinema, it was one of the loudest movies ever heard,
I left the theatre almost deaf😅
Beautiful story🙏💕
Hope u and ur family are well thanks for sharing this lil story 😭 it was rlly touching
My mom had a crush on that guy that helped them at the end benny was favorite character 😂😂😂😂😂
@@Cogiclove that movie. It’s a comfort movie. I can watch many times but I love Friday and Saturday night movies
Imhotep was also the author of the oldest medical treatise in existence. Some of the treatments are still relevant and effective today!
Doctors today are taught the Hippocratic oath (First, do no harm) not because Hippocrates taught such a thing (he didn't), but because they're taught that Hippocrates is the father of modern medicine. How surprised would they be, I wonder, if they were to learn that the actual origins extend more than a thousand years before Hippocrates, all the way to Imhotep...
need me a doctor who took the imhotepian oath
💯 correct 👍 Raz C he was also the first polymath in recorded history.
Rachel Weisz in the mummy was sublime.
I have **always** wondered if films like 'The Mummy' & 'Stargate's' Egyptian was gibberish, or there was linguists working on them...
The trick is the vowels
And then Stargate: SG1 got tired of making up languages for only Daniel to understand, so they made aliens speak English. But they’re self-aware enough to make fun of themselves for it, so we forgive them.
@@StrawberryAquaas someone who’s been bingeing Stargate Atlantis (again) over the past few days, the fact that everyone speaks English no problem without even the excuse like in Star Trek over having a universal translator, is hilarious to me.
@@StrawberryAqua If you read the novelizations, they added that some aspect of the stargate often acted as a universal translator of sorts by affecting people who used it brains. Retconed some of the first season but made more sense than everyone suddenly spewing English. Wish it had been addressed in the show itself, though.
This thread gives me life.😭
I don't know who this woman is but I really admire her passion for ancient Egypt!
She's an Egyptologist XD
You seriously don’t recognize her? It’s Drew Barrymore!😂
@@4thegloryofthelordgoodbye 😂
@@4thegloryofthelord Bye-bye..
Except Coptic is not ancient Egyptian. And they’re not the same ppl as the ancient Egyptians.
love how passionate yall are about this topic it’s the most endearing thing 😭💗
Early Egypt era and late Egyptian under Greek/Roman rule are vastly different although they both can be under the umbrella term “Ancient Egypt”.
Gonna need 700 shorts on this please
aka one regular long form video? lmao
Click on the title in this short, and it takes you to the full/long video!
Tiktokification of our consciousness
I’d like to hear many sentences of it
Dope name!!
I am a Christain Egyptian and can speak Coptic as it is still taught in churches. It is so cool that Christains managed to preserve such an acncient language.
Ptolmey V was not Christian. He was the central god of his own religion, Ptolmaic.
@@AnarexicSumowhat does that have to do with anything?
@@AnarexicSumowhat? lol
Lol the Coptic language would definitely have disappeared by now if it weren't for the Coptic Christians. Not that hard to wrap your head around that. No one else speaks the language.
Look at the comment below yours @@user-1836-jdk
i love the part in the mummy when imhotep screams aknuckseenamoon's name, everyone did such a good job in that movie
I did not expect The Mummy to have such accuracy!
Only thing I would add is that Coptic is indeed the FINAL stage and so we can reconstruct it. However, Egypt existed for millenia... The chance of the language never undergoing extreme changes in pronunciation is practically 0. Moreover, we probably don't even know just how severely or how often these changes occured. Ancient egyptian might have been pretty stable in its pronunciation, or it might have changed drastically every few centuries, which wouldn't be noticable through the writing (unless new combinations pop up or old ones vanish etc)
We do because Heiroglyphics are purely phonetical. As pronunciations changed so too did the Heiroglyphics used to represent the words. That's literally how we know and can tell apart the 5 stages of Ancient Egyptian and we know there are 5 and we know that there are 5 because of major shifts in pronounciation. You have to remember, their language isn't ours and was not structured like ours.
Linguists have ways of tracing back phonology based on clues in modern dialects compared to written ancient forms. And we have a pretty good handle on the consonants at least, since hieroglyphs were deciphered in the 19th century. The trick is vocalization, since they didn't write down vowels.
@@the-chillian the sounds of older versions of the language could maybe be reproduced depending on how much of the sound of related languages for each time period are known (if there were shifts in pronunciation like there were in European languages, I mean)
The thing is, once a language stops being vernacular and its only use is liturgical, it stops changing, because of what a liturgy is- saying the same prayers every time. Same for Ge'ez in the Ethiopian Church. Whatever changes it went through while it was spoken by the wider population, once it became solely liturgical, it pretty much froze.
@zyaicob that's true, but Coptic has been a strictly liturgical language for only 2 or 300 years. Which is a long time, but not long at all over the history of the recorded Egyptian language.
i've been telling people about Coptic for the last 30 years. i've been obsessed with egypt since i was 8 years old
Youre an OG Egyptologist
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the problem with this, is as a Coptic Christian, spoken Coptic sounds more akin to misprounced current day Greek
Coptic is a Greek term referring to Egyptians not actual all ancient Egyptians at all
As a Copt thank you for that, not many westerns know about the Native Egyptians
Have always been fascinated over egyptian history especially upon reading Cleopatra's story ❤
Joe Rogan: “Jamie, pull up that clip of the bear building the first pyramid.”
The Mummy is one of my favorite movies. It’s one of the best movies ever.
I was also stoked on the second one. A movie where the main couple DOESN'T have a silly breakup as an excuse to cause tension for the film is so refreshing, and it was still a fun romp similar to the first :)
The first will always be in my top movies tho
2nd one
“So, what did ancient Egyptians sound like” *mummy scream meme immediately plays in my head*
i think it is so awesome when you can totally tell someone loves their job!
Apparently there are still small ethnic groups living in Egypt today who speak a language closest to the ancient Egyptian language. One of these is an old Nubian dialect still spoken and the “Suuf”language according to Hakim Awyan who was an Egyptian citizen who grew up around the Giza Necropolis. He was also an Egyptologist.
Prof. Bestock, please make more videos like this, it was so enjoyable!
Glad to know the mummy is close haha
As close as possible
It's close in the sense that we know the consonants(E.g imhotep is written mhtp), however we can't exactly know which vowels were between the consonants for every word, but Coptic does give some indication(but it's still so long ago Ancient/Middle Egyptian was spoken that the language has changed alot).
I"m Egyptian and even the coptic language is not the actual tongue of Ancient Egyptians, but it's just the closest thing to it. The the name in the video is not Imhotep, it's Amon-hotep.
This clip inspired me to watch The Mummy once again this evening after a good few years. It really is a modern classic and I believe its stature will only increase as the years go by. It has everything in spades; a brilliant story, great comedy, almost non-stop action and now we discover even the Egyptian dialogue is on-point 😊
The Mummy and Mummy 2 are two of my all time favorite movies. Glad to hear that the language was pretty accurate.
Mine too!! Agreed :):)
My archeology professor was the Egyptian language guy for the movie, and apparently he snuck some ancient Egyptian curse words in too
@@CSRgamer I love that haha
I watched this movie hundred times and still watching it nowadays ... and now I love it even more!!
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Thank you, I found it insightful & interesting.
Just another reason The Mummy (1999) is a classic and will never go out of style.
This is one of the coolest shorts I've come across and im totally going to watch "The Mummy" again when I can
I know she isnt saying definitively that we know exactly what they sounded like, but if ancient egypt persisted thousands of years, wouldnt they have generational differences in their speech, diction, accents, etc. Sorta similar to how Old and Middle English sound pretty different to the many variations of modern english? Id imagine thered be many ways Egyptian sounded depending on the time period.
Yes, exactly this. She is talking about what Egyptians sounded like ~600BCE, up through ~100CE. Couple thousand years after the Pyramids were constructed.
Yeah and an added issue is that hieroglyphic script doesn't have vowels (like Hebrew). So for the early history of Egypt we can only guess
Um. Ok. Anyway like she explained: we know what the last stage sounded like. Just like I can currently speak modern English. When I'm back in 500 years it'll sound different. Doesn't make today's current sound WRONG. Dont pretend that because time exists there is no answer to any question.
@@Loralanthalas It wasnt a statement that she was wrong, it was an expansion of her answer. I guess it sounds like that to someone with an incredibly combative mind though. Calm down.
I think that's what she meant when she was talking about Coptic since she said it was one of the last stages of the Ancient Egyptian language
This made me want to rewatch The Mummy and it’s 6 AM on a Saturday.
Disclaimer: I have not woken up. I’m not that disciplined nor am I crazy to wake up this early on an off day 🙃 I just haven’t slept all night long 😂😭
Egyptologists are just beautiful humans. Haven’t met a dull one yet.
This lady is if Julia stiles and Drew Barrymore had a middle aged child
YES you hit the nail on the head. Feels like a little bit of my brain got released reading this
😭😭😭😭😭💀
Omg I see it
This perfectly explains why I find her attractive. I was so confused, because I couldn't figure it out until I read this.
With acne
I always believe most cinematic attempts at a foreign language to native production will have the “Shakespeare” effect or overdramatizing and over pronunciation of the language. So all you gotta do is mimic the language with a more relaxed tongue and larynx as to make it smoother and faster. Because no matter the language, the vast majority of people tend to lean towards simplification than making a point on propriety. This is the very reason why slang based on annotations exist.
London Accent tho.
Makes me wonder what ancient Egyptian slang might have sounded like ^^
Like Aragorn being more relaxed speaking Elvish than the Elves themselves. 😁
Your expectation is true. Their accents are extremely inaccurate.
@@IkeFoxbrush arabs and Islam destroyed coptic language.
This is absolutely amazing
The actress who played Anck-Su-Namun is so stunningly gorgeous.... When we first see her walking down towards Imhotep lives forever in my memory
More people need to learn about the coptic culture and history, especially that they still exist to this day.
I only just recently discovered that the original Catholic Church born almost immediately after the death of Jesus (Yeshua?) was Coptic.
It makes me wonder what are the main differences of the Coptic Catholic vs the Roman Catholic styles of Christianity.
@@GeneralBulldog54 ...not gonna lie, I do not know what you are talking about...
Coptics are Orthodoxe. They never believed that the Pope of Rome held any divine authority... I mean, there are some Coptic Catholics, but they mainly spawned after either the Roman Popes's mission in the 17th century or the british conquest, and that was in the 18th century (ik the british were protestestant, but hey, I guess protestantism was too different idk).
The Coptic church (church of Alexandria) indeed appeared very soon after the death of Christ (Yeshua in hebrew, Esos in coptic and Yassoua amongst modern coptics), making them one of the 5 primary churches. But they never were Catholics.
@@GeneralBulldog54 for some reason, my first message was erased... so here I'm reposting it
not gonna lie, I do not know what you are talking about...
Coptics are Orthodoxe. They never believed that the Pope of Rome held any divine authority... I mean, there are some Coptic Catholics, but they mainly spawned after either the Roman Popes's mission in the 17th century or the british conquest, and that was in the 18th century.
The Coptic church (church of Alexandria) indeed appeared very soon after the death of Christ (Yeshua in hebrew, Esos in coptic and Yassoua amongst modern coptics), making them one of the 5 primary churches. But they never were Catholics.
That being said, orthodox and Catholics believe in the same scriptures and have fairly the same interpretation if we omit the papal part. Traditions are also a little different, and religious chorale are Middle Eastern. The liturgical language over there is the coptic language, not the latin language, and that's about it.
@@sickisick8103 Thanks for the clarification. I always thought the Coptics created the basis for the Catholic church. I never once considered it more along the lines of a pure Orthodox church.
@@GeneralBulldog54This is interesting. My Coptic (now deceased) in-laws once told me that the Roman Catholic Church began first, the Coptic Church was second, and I think they said the Greek Orthodox Church was third. I don't know if they knew this aa fact, though. My Greek friend said the Coptic Church and the Greek Orthodox Church are very similar.
My love for The Mummy yet again increased 😻
It's still a brilliant film even today. (lets forget about the Scorpion king...)
i love how brandon fraser mummy series is both historically fictional and accurate
Incredibly cool. Thanks.
I love her enthusiasm
Me too. Contagious
🎶Talk like an Egyptian🎶⚰️🏺😂
Nice.
The mummy movies were so good. I’m so surprised barely anyone talks about them
This is amazing! Wow.
My Mom was already long gone when this awsome movie came out but she would have liked it, she was a big fan and studied the Egyptian people's and kings and the pyramid tombs, she always wanted to visit Egypt so when she passed after losing her 10 year battle with ovarian cancer My brother released her ashes in the current that would take her close to Egypt.
Coptic was also a living language up to the 18th century, and possibly later in some places.
I wouldn't call it dead, I don't even consider latin to be dead
still exist today in Coptic churches but usually only priest know how to speak it. But most Coptic churches just used Arabic for everyday rituals.
there are very few gifts in my childhood I cherish more than the existence of the Fraser Mummy movies. our generation is so much better of for them
They walked like The Bangles.
I need to rewatch The Mummy again! My mom bought the CD for it and we watched the movie together as a family every now and then, I miss it so much, snuggling in my blankie during the scary scenes and hiding behind my mom and my sister
Just went to the Ramses II exhibition in Sydney.
Stunning.
I really want to know what ancient Egyptian music sounded like
Amazing ... Thank you
Asterix&Obelix: "Yeah, yeah, Imhotep"
Haha, I instantly remembered this! 😂
I like that a name remembered through history is that of an architect. So often we remember Generals and Rulers. It's nice to remember someone who created for a change.
What??? For a change? A lot of the names we remember had nothing to do with the military. Socrates? Aristotle? Plato? Pythagoras? Freud? Nietzsche? Emerson? Confucius? Like the list is essentially endless.
The sound cuts off please fix it or Iwon’t sleep tonight. Lol
Interesting thanks!
Omg I loved The Mummy as a kid. One of my favorite movies ever. It inspired me to want to become an archeologist all throughout elementary
“Bird owl cat squiggle squiggle” is wild.
This has to be the best answer ever to the question. 🤣
Fascinating.
Man if only we can hear the way they would sing and diss track
I love this ladies head movements when she’s emphasizing her words, such a vibe
Your observation is such a vibe
And like shown in the video, speech changes over time. In 2013-16 you would've said her head movements are "such a mood" 😂
The mummy is one of my favourite movies, its also one of my husband's favourites. We still watch it whenever we can. Also, rachel and brenden in this movie ❤ and their chemistry ❤
There is a book by a Welshman named Ross broadstock called cymroglyphics which teaches you how to decipher hieroglyphs it's very interesting.
I'm Coptic.. and that's pretty accurate..
We still use it in liturgy inside churches and learn it in Sunday school
Love it, keep the info coming!
One of my architecture classes is Architectural History, and it blows my mind how historically accurate The Mummy was
Well, the pictures on the wall doesn't agree.
The mummy is historically accurate? Now I’ve seen it all.
Thank you❣️👍🏽
The creativity with the coffee cup is awesome. I never would have thought of that, but the triggers you use it for are so soothing😴
I can listen to her talking for hours, so interesting!
I appreciate when a period movie makes an effort to be historically accurate.
Interesting. Thank you.
I didnt realise! Me and my mother loved that movie so much back when it came out we still watch it pretty often
One of my favorite movies still until this day.
That’s why those two films are EPIC!!!
Very interesting. Egypt is my #1 fascination
This is fascinating!! Thank you!
I thought this short was gonna be about what Ancient Aliens sounded like; I was confused. Ancient Aliens sounds like "How did lettuce get in my submarine sandwich? Could there be some logical, physical explanation? I am forced to conclude that leprechauns did it."
Amazing!
I love your hair. I think I'll borrow this style.
I thought I couldn't love The Mummy anymore more than I already do but knowing that they used a historically accurate sounding language? 👏👏👏
Really? That was accurate! Awesome! Named my daughter Evie after that movie, reminds me of old Indiana Jones.❤ love Egyptian culture
That poor child. 😂
Lol so did I! 😊
My dad was dumb enough to let me watch The Mummy when I was 5. I slept on my parents bedroom floor for 3 weeks because of the nightmares, only to study archaeology at university. It was my watershed moment 😂
Bro that’s cool asf that’s the movie that got me so interested in ancient Egypt, Egyptian mythology and mythology in general. I know it’s not accurate at all but I loved it as a kid
Imagine making that achievement, and people think it’s built by aliens
We have been lied to, Gobekli tepee and other older ancient ruins date back further than the pyramids, do your research
Europeans think anyone but themselves are incapable of thinking.
I can't believe my history teacher told me we don't know what ancient Egyptian sounded like when I asked her
She's right, we only know what coptic sounded like. Ancient Egyptian language had existed for millenia, there is no way to ever know what it sounded like.
@@DapperDill Borhairic, the specific Coptic dialect used for liturgical texts in the Coptic Church, can be traced back to its earliest records written in 4 CE. Borhairic is both Egyptian and ancient. 😊
Thank you!
Anacksunamun could've easily just said: "Oh, I accidentally bumped into one of the statues." When Seti pointed out the smeared body paint.