I’m fine with them putting out more crates, I’m fine with PvP scenarios being scuffed and needing time to polish…. But what NEEDS to be fixed is the lag and server issues… That’s what will kill the game for myself and I’m sure many others. You can only tolerate the poor sever performance for so long
I've got almost 400 hours in this game bc there is so much to love about it, but if they continue this **** with the loot crates, I hope the game fails. I have only ever said that about maybe 1 or 2 other games in my 35 years of gaming, so I don't say it lightly. The light forge loot crates are flat out predatory and an absolute sh*t practice. "Cosmetics only bro, go cry poor guy" I DGAF if they are cosmetic or not. The prices for outright purchasing things like skins and GLASS PACKS is outrageously expensive already, yet I have no issues with those bc I know what I want and can pay an agreed upon price to get it. Gambling should have no place whatsoever in video games, and this is hands down the most egregious display of gambling mechanics in a game, knowing that gambling addiction is real. They throw in the little messaging telling you to "Please spend responsibly" LOL.. Go F yourself, Starry Night 🙃
I couldn't agree more with your take on the Light Forge loot crates. Your 400 hours of experience gives real weight to your criticism. I myself have 700 hrs in Once Human which is very rare for me to have them many hours in a PVE game, That's about the same amount of hours I have in OverWatch, a game I've been playing for many years. You're absolutely right that the "it's just cosmetics" argument completely misses the point. The predatory nature of gambling mechanics in games is the real issue, regardless of what's being gambled for. The comparison to the direct purchase option is spot-on too. Paying a set price for a specific item is fine - that's just a normal transaction. But these loot crates are designed to manipulate people into spending far more than they intend to. That "Please spend responsibly" message is especially galling. It's a weak attempt to shift blame onto the players while still exploiting those vulnerable to gambling addiction. Games should be entertaining, not potentially life-ruining. It's sad to see a game with so much potential go down this road. I hope the developers take criticism like yours seriously and reconsider this practice. Otherwise, they risk alienating their most dedicated players and tarnishing their reputation in the long run.
@@ijmoney4539 if it is guaranteed to get the car by spending $600, is it still called gambling? Even more, if you get it on the earlier pull, can we count it as discount?
One aspect of lightforge I controversially like is the frequency. Because I still have relic tokens from picking up the Pyro glide, and have been enjoying browsing the new collections every two weeks and using some up on small extra items like the fireplace. It might just be me, but the relic tokens are quite good and make the original cost of the Pyro Glide and associated duplicates feel better for me now. There’s no point complaining about this, Netease will keep doing them and clearly they’re doing well enough to not care about community complaints.
Remember its really up to you if you going to spend or nah the only thing i hate on once human devs are they milking players instead of fixing the game lol
It is, but to enable people to whinge they invent “vulnerable people who are susceptible to gambling” as their justification for continuous complaining about this.
I took a month break when I went travelling in September and when I came back, there was a lot worse lag than before, people exploiting in the new pvp servers and a ton more gambling cosmetics added to the game. The only purchase that I made was the glass house wallpaper but if they don’t address any of these issues before the next season, I’m out.
Something funny. Everyone hates this crate system and says it's killing the game etc but fun fact.. What is one of the most populour games on steam? CSGO. What is there monetization? You buy a key open a crate and get a chance at a cosmetic item and a very low chance at a really rare knife and have to spend hundreds or thousands for the chance at one. CSGO: Buy a key open a crate get cosmetic item very low chance at a super rare knife. OH: Buy gems open the crate get cosmetic item with a very low chance at a vehicle skin. Literally the same damn concept but because CS Crates was hyped up by content creators everyone ignores this and from literally one of the most populour games on steam but wants to hate once human for having literally the same monetization model. Oh and before anyone says "oh but it's different you can re sell the skins/knife." oh OK so one human should do what CSGO does and turn it into real gambling since people start opening crates with the intention to make profit not just win items in a game to keep and then stop when they have what they want? You want to encourage them to keep buying more and more and more with the intent to try and win profit?
I don't mind the loot crate really. It's just cosmetics but the most important issue is the lag. They decided to make another stupid cosmetics before fixing the lag is just not good advertising. If they announce "oh there's gonna be a big patch for fixing lag issues and optimizing" and secretly smuggling in another 600$ loot crate no one would give a sh*t about it and would focus on the fix and everyone will praise them for actually listening and addressing the issue without noticing about another money grabber in the store (which won't take long for a whale to take the bait)
how is this game dying if during the day online is ~40k, and in the evening up to 80k, and this despite the fact that there is no new content. With the winter update online will be more than 100k
@@r_dva3301 I'm a PvEer with 1k+ hours. There is plenty of stuff to do if you can handle the repetition. I think once the game has more PvE scenarios it will surge back.
you realize that when the game was released we were at 120k during the day and 150k at night. Losing 50k players in 3 months after having the game downloaded 10 million times is terrible for an mmo. The only reason why there chart looks so good is because of how they release content. If they keep screwing over the player base by not listening to them and punishing people that shouldn't be punished. Like there bug there system had with giving out crystigin to player then saying the player were exploiting it which was not the case. This is what is wrong with the dev's they are trying to push lootcrates instead of just selling skins straight even if the skins are on the expensive side. They also never actually address what the players are actually asking for. Have you seen how bad the new PVP mode is. It is so unbalanced due to there lack of testing and just trying to push broken game modes out a lot of players are loosing interest in the game and most those players will not be back even though they said they will. This is how gamers work. I love this game and hate seeing it not listening to the community as a whole. The Update on the 10 will brake tons of things like their maintenance always does like they have AI writing code for them then they just patch it up as we the players tell them what is wrong. They brag about making 110 million dollars in the first month and half before lootcrates were even a thing and they still pushed out lootcrates. If they do not change there ways and start actually listening this game will fail with in a year. I personally have probably close to 2000 hours in this game since CBT2 and it is really hard for me to play the game at this point because they do not care about what we are telling them at all and do not want to make the game a great game they just see money signs is all they see which is terrible.
The playerbase is bunch of sunken cost fallacy victim who spent $600 and got $100 gaming budget a month which they must play this game for 6 month 😂 While me only spent $50 and now playing new games instead became game slave farming with alt account and rage with pvp & lag
@@Ashenwolf888 the game is dying hard bro. Have you not seen the horrendous lag and technical issues? All the updates are just overpriced cosmetic crates
@@ayemjake pve players just potter about in the pve side of things instead...pvp is at best pointless in this game and full of cheating gits at its worst so i dont see a point in even attempting to try that mes of a scenario when i can just work on other things instead.
They should of copied the fornite monetization. Keep skins and items a fairly normal price $5-$20 and have a rotating shop where the skins and cosmetics change daily or weekly. Just adding the new items there adding in these crates into the rotation every month or whatever
Love the game and concept, will never spend on this bar an odd battlepass, but the lag and rubberbanding makes it unplayable atm 😢. Sadly most of my hive quit over this..
After not having a single "Ticket" responded to even 2 from last season. I have had 0 feedback I have uninstalled it and moved on sadly because it is clear they do not care will not listen and I cannot play a game that I cannot talk to a single human about an issue and the discord is a cesspool of trolls and ass-hats so nothing gets resolved there.
Uhm no..?. Its just a short pvp scenario(for some pvp players) until in a few days the new big, long, with new map, story.. pve scenario starts. Its horrible how dumb ppl are nowadays.
Just a little reminder that in almost every guide online it says make at least 2 alts so cut those numbers down by a 3rd. How many of those active players" how many of them are alts? Once humans-the only thing it's managed to stay constant on is fumbling. The game isn't going to die there will be a hardcore player base, it just won't be huge. Oh, and Throne and Liberty is I'm sure taking a huge Chuck of the PVE player base.
everyone is angry about cosmetics, and this makes me laugh because they don't think about how expensive it is to maintain the server and pay the salaries of the staff, remember this is a free game, that's why they provide in-game transactions, because it is to help the developer to pay the staff and servers, and also to help fix server problems, remember this is a free game if there is a problem on the server then you have to remember this is free, if you still complain, go away don't play this game. Remember, this is a Netease game where if you don't contribute then the game won't last long.
I agree. I have spent cash on cosmetics, and I think they did a fabulous job with their cosmetics. The game is free, but bills need to be paid. Another compliment is the fact that the game tried hard not to be a pay to win game. I do agree that lag is the biggest problem for the servers. But if people don't want to buy loot boxes or cosmetics, they can still play and enjoy the game. I also respect how they compensate in the mailbox. 🎉❤
the lootcrates likely wouldnt be so exgregious if they cost like 10 bucks at most for 10 puills...but clearly netease is just milking the game for cash like they do with all their games....it'sa a good job the cashshop ones are better than the lootcrate ones i guess coz aint no way im ever paying nearly 50 bucks for 10 pulls lol
I buy crates, I buy packs. I don’t buy their plan for all these gas models choices, I mean how many times todo you have to run the same scenarios until new scenarios with new areas come along. This is what’s going to bug me the most. I want to play this game but if I have to give nanibus a kicking once more it’s going to get put down until there’s a back log of stuff for me to do :( But! I don’t want that, I would like more content than crates and a fix to all the lag and desyc so I can enjoy a PvP scenario if I was too. Maybe cut down the hundreds of servers?
Fr. If u can’t afford it, u don’t have to buy them.. There are still enough people buying these so they can afford the costs to give us a free to play game.
Dude. They have had how many $300-600 lootcrates and how many skins? I haven’t seen a single person rocking no skin since the first week and I’ve seen numerous car skins. To think they haven’t made an absolute killing from this game especially during launch month, and that all their money is suspended already to give us what we have is a joke. There are developers who give far more for much less, with a game that actually operates how it’s intended. Half the time it feels like the dev’s don’t even know their own intent. This game is hot fucking garbage on my radar, wasted 600hours and $500 hoping they’d fix issues. It’s been 3-4 months since release and we are just getting to new content. Which so far has brought massive bugs and instability that hasn’t been fixed for weeks at this point. But hey, new cosmetics to spend money on again! Has nothing to do with who has money and who doesn’t. Only true “brokies” think like this. 🚫🧠
@@zeptifried aaand? The game is FREE! The company needs to make money to continue hosting the game and getting scenarios and pay staff...they didnt have a purchase price to sublimate that cost
You are the first to actually be sensible about this topic, other creators are just.... well, Bitching like one of those who you took a thumbnail from...
Thanks, I don't doubt it. But then RUclips loves feeding rage/drama (because people like to consume it). I care more about the game and it's perception than my own metrics
i got dissapointed with this game so i quit, every patch runs worse than the last, and they focus too much on lootboxes, the prices are too high for what they offer and how they look, the seasons, eternaland and servers reset are all done in the most annoying way possible, and they never fix the building snap point that werent broken on the beta, its just sad, because the base game pve was quite fun.
@@LexicroftAlpha They don't need small fish. All of the game ads you see before the start of any RUclips video is targeted towards whales. Belinda Ercan (RUclipsr) has a great video exposing Nutaku (adult gaming industry).
ppl just left the game for awhile..so when they start new scenario game will be fresh..imagine if u only play only human in past month grinding the perfect mod or perfect deviant..then do same thing again when new scenario come out..very fun
Players say the game is "dying" because the game isnt going how THEY want it to go, and so theyve decided to step back. The game numbers are still pretty even. So...
Metrics shows that it is on a downtrend though. Like.. a constant one, although I do have a feeling that it will spike up once way of winter comes out.
I hope other developer company take their idea and make new one with much better performance gameplay rather than this cosmetic bull** . Same like genshin and wuwa. They only care about what cosmetic going to come out and ban trash talker, not lag issue. TBH all their lootbox csmetic not that impressive at all.
I’m fine with them putting out more crates, I’m fine with PvP scenarios being scuffed and needing time to polish…. But what NEEDS to be fixed is the lag and server issues… That’s what will kill the game for myself and I’m sure many others. You can only tolerate the poor sever performance for so long
@@zoobs2278 agree
Agreed 1000%
Fully agree, I am fine with the crates but I want to see the serve lag issues sorted asap.
You definitely shouldn't be fine with predatory gambling loot crates disguised as entertainment.
I've got almost 400 hours in this game bc there is so much to love about it, but if they continue this **** with the loot crates, I hope the game fails.
I have only ever said that about maybe 1 or 2 other games in my 35 years of gaming, so I don't say it lightly.
The light forge loot crates are flat out predatory and an absolute sh*t practice. "Cosmetics only bro, go cry poor guy" I DGAF if they are cosmetic or not.
The prices for outright purchasing things like skins and GLASS PACKS is outrageously expensive already, yet I have no issues with those bc I know what I want and can pay an agreed upon price to get it.
Gambling should have no place whatsoever in video games, and this is hands down the most egregious display of gambling mechanics in a game, knowing that gambling addiction is real. They throw in the little messaging telling you to "Please spend responsibly" LOL.. Go F yourself, Starry Night 🙃
I couldn't agree more with your take on the Light Forge loot crates. Your 400 hours of experience gives real weight to your criticism. I myself have 700 hrs in Once Human which is very rare for me to have them many hours in a PVE game, That's about the same amount of hours I have in OverWatch, a game I've been playing for many years. You're absolutely right that the "it's just cosmetics" argument completely misses the point. The predatory nature of gambling mechanics in games is the real issue, regardless of what's being gambled for.
The comparison to the direct purchase option is spot-on too. Paying a set price for a specific item is fine - that's just a normal transaction. But these loot crates are designed to manipulate people into spending far more than they intend to.
That "Please spend responsibly" message is especially galling. It's a weak attempt to shift blame onto the players while still exploiting those vulnerable to gambling addiction. Games should be entertaining, not potentially life-ruining.
It's sad to see a game with so much potential go down this road. I hope the developers take criticism like yours seriously and reconsider this practice. Otherwise, they risk alienating their most dedicated players and tarnishing their reputation in the long run.
@@ijmoney4539 if it is guaranteed to get the car by spending $600, is it still called gambling? Even more, if you get it on the earlier pull, can we count it as discount?
One aspect of lightforge I controversially like is the frequency. Because I still have relic tokens from picking up the Pyro glide, and have been enjoying browsing the new collections every two weeks and using some up on small extra items like the fireplace. It might just be me, but the relic tokens are quite good and make the original cost of the Pyro Glide and associated duplicates feel better for me now. There’s no point complaining about this, Netease will keep doing them and clearly they’re doing well enough to not care about community complaints.
We trying to love the game, but NetEase just spit our hands and says Leave me Alone, thats sum up this whole 3 months since launched.
Remember its really up to you if you going to spend or nah the only thing i hate on once human devs are they milking players instead of fixing the game lol
It is, but to enable people to whinge they invent “vulnerable people who are susceptible to gambling” as their justification for continuous complaining about this.
I took a month break when I went travelling in September and when I came back, there was a lot worse lag than before, people exploiting in the new pvp servers and a ton more gambling cosmetics added to the game.
The only purchase that I made was the glass house wallpaper but if they don’t address any of these issues before the next season, I’m out.
Something funny. Everyone hates this crate system and says it's killing the game etc but fun fact.. What is one of the most populour games on steam? CSGO. What is there monetization? You buy a key open a crate and get a chance at a cosmetic item and a very low chance at a really rare knife and have to spend hundreds or thousands for the chance at one.
CSGO: Buy a key open a crate get cosmetic item very low chance at a super rare knife.
OH: Buy gems open the crate get cosmetic item with a very low chance at a vehicle skin.
Literally the same damn concept but because CS Crates was hyped up by content creators everyone ignores this and from literally one of the most populour games on steam but wants to hate once human for having literally the same monetization model.
Oh and before anyone says "oh but it's different you can re sell the skins/knife." oh OK so one human should do what CSGO does and turn it into real gambling since people start opening crates with the intention to make profit not just win items in a game to keep and then stop when they have what they want? You want to encourage them to keep buying more and more and more with the intent to try and win profit?
I don't mind the loot crate really. It's just cosmetics but the most important issue is the lag. They decided to make another stupid cosmetics before fixing the lag is just not good advertising. If they announce "oh there's gonna be a big patch for fixing lag issues and optimizing" and secretly smuggling in another 600$ loot crate no one would give a sh*t about it and would focus on the fix and everyone will praise them for actually listening and addressing the issue without noticing about another money grabber in the store (which won't take long for a whale to take the bait)
how is this game dying if during the day online is ~40k, and in the evening up to 80k, and this despite the fact that there is no new content. With the winter update online will be more than 100k
@@r_dva3301 I'm a PvEer with 1k+ hours. There is plenty of stuff to do if you can handle the repetition. I think once the game has more PvE scenarios it will surge back.
you realize that when the game was released we were at 120k during the day and 150k at night. Losing 50k players in 3 months after having the game downloaded 10 million times is terrible for an mmo. The only reason why there chart looks so good is because of how they release content. If they keep screwing over the player base by not listening to them and punishing people that shouldn't be punished. Like there bug there system had with giving out crystigin to player then saying the player were exploiting it which was not the case. This is what is wrong with the dev's they are trying to push lootcrates instead of just selling skins straight even if the skins are on the expensive side. They also never actually address what the players are actually asking for. Have you seen how bad the new PVP mode is. It is so unbalanced due to there lack of testing and just trying to push broken game modes out a lot of players are loosing interest in the game and most those players will not be back even though they said they will. This is how gamers work. I love this game and hate seeing it not listening to the community as a whole. The Update on the 10 will brake tons of things like their maintenance always does like they have AI writing code for them then they just patch it up as we the players tell them what is wrong. They brag about making 110 million dollars in the first month and half before lootcrates were even a thing and they still pushed out lootcrates. If they do not change there ways and start actually listening this game will fail with in a year. I personally have probably close to 2000 hours in this game since CBT2 and it is really hard for me to play the game at this point because they do not care about what we are telling them at all and do not want to make the game a great game they just see money signs is all they see which is terrible.
The playerbase is bunch of sunken cost fallacy victim who spent $600 and got $100 gaming budget a month which they must play this game for 6 month 😂
While me only spent $50 and now playing new games instead became game slave farming with alt account and rage with pvp & lag
this game has this many players only becouse its free and the players keep leaving, if it was paid there wouldn't be more than 2k players at max
This game is not dying. Atleast not yet. People always jump the gun soo fast.
@@Ashenwolf888 the game is dying hard bro. Have you not seen the horrendous lag and technical issues? All the updates are just overpriced cosmetic crates
Just give up. Anyone can see the greed. They literally doesn't address the in game problems
Not yet, just that a lot of PVE'rs would rather stay offline than get punished in prismverse.
i think you spend so much on this game and afraid that the game will just die soon so you cope to yourself that the game is not dying lol
@@ayemjake pve players just potter about in the pve side of things instead...pvp is at best pointless in this game and full of cheating gits at its worst so i dont see a point in even attempting to try that mes of a scenario when i can just work on other things instead.
They should of copied the fornite monetization. Keep skins and items a fairly normal price $5-$20 and have a rotating shop where the skins and cosmetics change daily or weekly. Just adding the new items there adding in these crates into the rotation every month or whatever
The lag is real man😢 not just pvp but even in pve 😢
Love the game and concept, will never spend on this bar an odd battlepass, but the lag and rubberbanding makes it unplayable atm 😢. Sadly most of my hive quit over this..
After not having a single "Ticket" responded to even 2 from last season. I have had 0 feedback I have uninstalled it and moved on sadly because it is clear they do not care will not listen and I cannot play a game that I cannot talk to a single human about an issue and the discord is a cesspool of trolls and ass-hats so nothing gets resolved there.
the PVE is amazing but they decided to focus on PVP instead so now i left the game since nothing new to do
Uhm no..?. Its just a short pvp scenario(for some pvp players) until in a few days the new big, long, with new map, story.. pve scenario starts.
Its horrible how dumb ppl are nowadays.
1000 skin in just 3 ss is insane
Just a little reminder that in almost every guide online it says make at least 2 alts so cut those numbers down by a 3rd. How many of those active players" how many of them are alts? Once humans-the only thing it's managed to stay constant on is fumbling. The game isn't going to die there will be a hardcore player base, it just won't be huge. Oh, and Throne and Liberty is I'm sure taking a huge Chuck of the PVE player base.
It is a Chinese company. Of course it's gonna be money centered and have lots of problems. It's the same thing with undawn
everyone is angry about cosmetics, and this makes me laugh because they don't think about how expensive it is to maintain the server and pay the salaries of the staff, remember this is a free game, that's why they provide in-game transactions, because it is to help the developer to pay the staff and servers, and also to help fix server problems, remember this is a free game if there is a problem on the server then you have to remember this is free, if you still complain, go away don't play this game. Remember, this is a Netease game where if you don't contribute then the game won't last long.
I agree. I have spent cash on cosmetics, and I think they did a fabulous job with their cosmetics. The game is free, but bills need to be paid. Another compliment is the fact that the game tried hard not to be a pay to win game. I do agree that lag is the biggest problem for the servers. But if people don't want to buy loot boxes or cosmetics, they can still play and enjoy the game. I also respect how they compensate in the mailbox. 🎉❤
@@lisa80631 yes, but netease😢
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@@lisa80631 fym did a fabolous job with their cosmetics its all cheap looking dogshit thats glowing or coomer "nun" for sore losers
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Gonna call this the potential game
the lootcrates likely wouldnt be so exgregious if they cost like 10 bucks at most for 10 puills...but clearly netease is just milking the game for cash like they do with all their games....it'sa a good job the cashshop ones are better than the lootcrate ones i guess coz aint no way im ever paying nearly 50 bucks for 10 pulls lol
If only they added content like they do their gambling thingys
I buy crates, I buy packs. I don’t buy their plan for all these gas models choices, I mean how many times todo you have to run the same scenarios until new scenarios with new areas come along.
This is what’s going to bug me the most. I want to play this game but if I have to give nanibus a kicking once more it’s going to get put down until there’s a back log of stuff for me to do :(
But! I don’t want that, I would like more content than crates and a fix to all the lag and desyc so I can enjoy a PvP scenario if I was too.
Maybe cut down the hundreds of servers?
oh no, a free game is trying to ensure they maintain cash flow for servers (arent free)....gods people arent happy unless crying these days
Fr. If u can’t afford it, u don’t have to buy them.. There are still enough people buying these so they can afford the costs to give us a free to play game.
Dude. They have had how many $300-600 lootcrates and how many skins? I haven’t seen a single person rocking no skin since the first week and I’ve seen numerous car skins.
To think they haven’t made an absolute killing from this game especially during launch month, and that all their money is suspended already to give us what we have is a joke. There are developers who give far more for much less, with a game that actually operates how it’s intended. Half the time it feels like the dev’s don’t even know their own intent.
This game is hot fucking garbage on my radar, wasted 600hours and $500 hoping they’d fix issues.
It’s been 3-4 months since release and we are just getting to new content. Which so far has brought massive bugs and instability that hasn’t been fixed for weeks at this point.
But hey, new cosmetics to spend money on again! Has nothing to do with who has money and who doesn’t. Only true “brokies” think like this. 🚫🧠
@@zeptifried aaand? The game is FREE! The company needs to make money to continue hosting the game and getting scenarios and pay staff...they didnt have a purchase price to sublimate that cost
@@sabrevanson4412 i said what i said. if you and the other people want to cope with this, have fun playing amongst yourselves in the coming months
Erm yeah... the thousands if not millions earned from lootcrates... how much of it went to upgrading servers..?
You are the first to actually be sensible about this topic, other creators are just.... well, Bitching like one of those who you took a thumbnail from...
Thanks, I don't doubt it. But then RUclips loves feeding rage/drama (because people like to consume it). I care more about the game and it's perception than my own metrics
i got dissapointed with this game so i quit, every patch runs worse than the last, and they focus too much on lootboxes, the prices are too high for what they offer and how they look, the seasons, eternaland and servers reset are all done in the most annoying way possible, and they never fix the building snap point that werent broken on the beta, its just sad, because the base game pve was quite fun.
Id rather pay a sub monthly than have gambling bullcrap
If you understand the “whales” concept in gaming, this is who they are targeting.... and it's huge... and videos like this will not make a dent.
In whales concept, whales need small fish to show their $600 car skin & $100 costume
By targeting only whales, this game wont last long
@@LexicroftAlpha They don't need small fish. All of the game ads you see before the start of any RUclips video is targeted towards whales. Belinda Ercan (RUclipsr) has a great video exposing Nutaku (adult gaming industry).
Im still gonna buy the crates. Cuz i love this game. Period.
ppl just left the game for awhile..so when they start new scenario game will be fresh..imagine if u only play only human in past month grinding the perfect mod or perfect deviant..then do same thing again when new scenario come out..very fun
Players say the game is "dying" because the game isnt going how THEY want it to go, and so theyve decided to step back. The game numbers are still pretty even. So...
Metrics shows that it is on a downtrend though. Like.. a constant one, although I do have a feeling that it will spike up once way of winter comes out.
I hope other developer company take their idea and make new one with much better performance gameplay rather than this cosmetic bull** . Same like genshin and wuwa. They only care about what cosmetic going to come out and ban trash talker, not lag issue. TBH all their lootbox csmetic not that impressive at all.