Free speech for all, from Finkelstein to Chapelle | Noam Dworman | The Reason Interview
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- Опубликовано: 28 май 2024
- The owner of the Comedy Cellar, Noam Dworman, wants to argue with you about Israel, the media, and whether women are funny.
00:00- Noam Dworman Highlights
00:30- Introduction
01:00- Dworman's Thriving Comedy Empire
08:24- Go Neither Woke Nor Broke
12:28- Dworman's Free Speech Roots
18:58- Tipper Gore's Censorship Crusade
21:49- When Did the Left Turn Against Free Speech?
24:57- Don't Censor Anti-Israel Speech Either!
27:49- Comedy Culture IS Free Speech Culture
30:41- Dworman's Father: Feuding With Bob Dylan
34:51- Dworman's Podcast: Live From the Table
37:33- That Viral Philip Bump Episode
41:50- Noam Dworman's Politics
43:53- Comedy During COVID
47:21- Free Speech Isn't A Given In All Comedy Clubs
49:11- Bringing Back Louis C.K.
53:38- Hosting Norman Finkelstein
57:06- Open Debate About Israel
1:00:04- Contemporary Antisemitism In America
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Today's guest is Noam Dworman, the owner of New York's Comedy Cellar, the most influential-and controversial-comedy club on the planet. Dave Chapelle, Louis C.K., Amy Schumer, Sarah Silverman, Chris Rock, Andrew Schulz, and many others not only broke out from this club, but they also regularly return to try out new material. Trained as a lawyer, Dworman is a staunch defender of the First Amendment and, in an era of groveling apologies and censorship on the down low, he remains outspoken on the value and importance of free expression to a flourishing society. His podcast Live From the Table has guests ranging from Israel critic Norman Finkelstein to atheist Sam Harris to former Reasoners Radley Balko and Michael Moynihan-and never has a dull moment. Nick Gillespie talks with Dworman about free speech, the history of comedy in Greenwich Village, anti-Semitism, and Islamophobia.
Norman sending an angry and vicious email is so on character 😂😂😂.....but I still love the guy and what he brings to the table.
He's complete trash. Lol
Thank you for the interview. I recall Noam answering K. Kisin’s last question “what should we be discussing that we aren’t discussing?” on the Triggernometry podcast. Noam explained that he received comments from his patrons that he was “brave” for having the Star of David on public display. Noam expressed that he was concerned about the lack of education on Israel's history, and that it would lead to the rise of antisemitism, and the anti-Zionist movement. I watched that interview over a year ago and I was surprised by his answer but his observation was unfortunately accurate.
Right off the bat.... The the purpose of 'cancelling' (aka plain 'ol character assassination) is not to silence the target but to discourage imitation. To point out that the targets of 'cancellation' don't really get hurt and are often helped is to miss this point entirely.
Cancelling and character assassination are quite different. Cancelling is when public institutions and venues turn against a particular person. Character Assassination is when the potential Audience itself turns against them.
@GeorgeSmiley77 well Norm Finklestein cancelled a talk at Emory U. Because EVEN HE said the vibe was getting anti-semetic. Result? Protestors slaughtering Fink online "Oh NOW the real *gew* comes out," "They're all the same in the end" etc.
And now the mob is latching on to claims that Edward Said disclosed that NOAM CHOMSKY is a "racist" "who thinks Arab scholars are inferior."
@@GeorgeSmiley77 Yes but that often go hand in hand, it is a kind of social stigmatization.
Like a college student will be physically attacked for wearing a Tel Aviv University sweatshirt. It's just ridiculous.
I don’t think Tipper would try to ban The Rolling Stones. Can you imagine her reading lyrics to Midnight Rambler to her grandkids at bedtime?
I think Chapelle should bring back Clayton bigsby for the election... Funniest shit ever
Afroman ‘24
I’m sure people smarter than me have made this point, but acceptance of criticism or ridicule from those of the same tribe, but not others, is instinctual. It’s just an extension of something most of us experienced as kids: I can make fun of my brother, but you may not. It’s a hypocrisy we all share. The consequences of ignoring this social convention cross the line when I enjoin others to punch you too.
much love all
+100 for the Richard Epstein callout!
Ok, that ended too soon! I wanted to expand on his final thought. It was a very brave thing for him to say that as it obviously can be taken out of context by his enemies (like earlier discussions on the episode). We need more people willing to say that there are principles Trump has latched onto that are good, but that need to be reclaimed by people not Trump.
Great guy, great interview
Norm Frankenstein and Gnome Chomsky…really? 🤔😵💫
We don’t always agree and I think your identity is entrenched differently with its group think and resulting conclusions and judgements… but I do enjoy that you’re working towards ‘truth’ using discussion and opposing interpretations. I still think a Žižek allowed to speak would be an interesting, almost comic material like take on morality vs ethics. “Violence that transcends.” Would be a good starting point if I could suggest one. You’re mixed bag but I can dig you have a stance and are working it out in real time. Keep going. 🌱♾️
Redbar is watching
Nick Gillespie always does great interviews and this is no exception.
Gillis regularly features known Holocaust deniers on his podcast.
I don’t watch/listen to his podcast just random clips usually. Can you name any of the known holocaust denier guests? Maybe their views are just not known to me.
@@TheColdrush22 Bill McCusker and Andrew Pacella. They also claim Jews are responsible for 9/11.
This guy is a Joke
If Norman does not want to have dinner with Noam, you know that Noam is immoral
Noam, when you are citing John Adams you are not sounding like Trump in any way whatsoever. He probably doesn't know who he is. And when you say things like, There's still a hole in the ground at zero. We accept paralysis as a way of life. Etc. That's really boilerplate stuff and any politician that wants to get elected says things like that. Including Democrats.
Norman’s intelligence and knowledge is humbling , he speaks the truth, he dedicated his entire life to truth.
Norman who. Norman Finkelstein?
Finklestein's dedicated his life to half the story to trick you into believing nonsense
@@JoeShufferton I’m thinking, Norman Mailer.
On the surface Noam Dworman is a rather likeable guy, but if you start paying attention to the content he puts out you'll notice he's véry complimentary to himself, he's very calculated and selective to the voices that he wants to elevate, he'll get into roaring arguments with directors of human rights ngo's over minutiae, but will give a neck massage to Sam Harris, author of 'in defence of torture' or people who profess the inevitably of the endless occupation of the opt. He's been very much an apologist for the violence in Gaza, without entertaining in the least the perspective Yossi Verter wrote about in Haaretz on october 8 2023: How Netanyahu brought Israel to the brink of war. It can be entertaining but it's a deceptive and sometimes repulsive effort in my view. The whole free speech circle jerk is just typical smokescreen. When push comes to shove, he's very much a propagandist. The people who share his views will love it.
@lau_dhondt Agree with your assessment.
This guy is a fraud
This guest is terrible. Unsubscribing.
Well, this was an interesting choice. Noam is one of the most bad faith actors on this particular subject. Clearly reason hasn’t watched any of his podcasts - and if they have, they’re doing this for the clicks. He’s not serious. He tries to do all these “gotcha” questions - and he admits to doing so in various podcasts. It’s fine to interview him, but at least have the decency to call him out of his dishonesty.
OUCH, LOL What are you referring to?
I mean. That’s not true. But to each their own.
@@comedycellarclipshe’s referring to nothing. He thinks aliens are at Area 51.
Really bad take about his @comedycellarclips podcast - in fact, on a recent episode, the sentiment emerged that in the better days of shows like Meet the Press, Tim Russert had a skill at deploying "gotcha moments" in a civil and unpartisan way, to simply keep talking heads in check, in the public interest. If you object to "gotcha" moments then you're afraid of arriving at the truth.
Gotcha questions are a powerful technique, just as ridicule is a powerful technique. We don't always need to deploy those techniques, but when we DO need them, we REALLY REALLY need them.
Gotcha questions are NOT dishonesty! They are designed to EXPOSE dishonesty! Gotcha questions For The Win!
If Shane Gillis made antisemitic jokes, would Noam be so supportive of that dude's uncancrlling? Please.