This happened a couple neighborhoods down from me, and I still never hear anything about who Helen was as a person. Disabled people are so often chalked up to just their disability. Thank you for humanizing her.
As a disabled person, it makes me so angry how the disabled often get treated by society as if we don’t matter. In fact, we always hear about minority groups and their struggles and oppression but not really with the disabled.
I really appreciate your discussion around the disability and care taker murder rates and the idea of ableism in reports. I work for part of a charity where we specifically support siblings of children with disabilities to support their wellbeing and feel really connected and saddened by this case.
Thank you so much for the work you do! I really wish I had some more support when I was younger as I had to care for my disabled brother. I had a hard time dealing with the responsibility and pressure but I was lucky enough to have a therapist to talk about it.
Thank you for working for such a charity! My younger sibling is disabled. As an adult, I understand why things are the way they are, but I remember feeling very "jealous" on and off as a kid because he tended to get more attention (and "got away with everything"). It's a tough thing for kids to grapple with, and the siblings too often are dismissed as just being selfish and/or ignorant.
When you work for a organization for disabled you NEED to remember the disabled folk need to have the loudest voice. I’m sorry if I sound extremely rude, but the disabled community tend to prefer “disabled” beside “with disability”
@@alexandramcginnis8872 hi Alexandra I completely understand, there is a big debate at the moment about identity first or person first language so it is always personal preference to the individual. Currently we use person first language within our organization but this may change. We are constantly working to include the voices of individuals and for those who have been able to verbally express their preference this has been the case. We also spend a lot of time working on supporting those who are nonverbal to express their views around the services we provide.
it’s so fucking sickening that there are people out there who excuse murder cases revolving around “caretakers” taking care of disabled people. murder is murder, don’t defend murder. that disabled victim didn’t deserve to get their life taken away so brutally. again thank you for bringing this up, we need to talk about this more often.
Understanding and empathizing doesn't mean we condone it, we simply get why it happened. Understanding is not the same as condoning and to conflate the two shows a lack of comprehension.
@@lainiwakura1776 'empathising' & 'understanding' why someone killed their disabled relative is equally as immoral as condoning it. You do not 'understand' why someone killed their disabled relative because there is nothing to understand there! We are not burdens, or lesser for being disabled, & our deaths should spark as much outrage as the death of abled people. Save you 'empathy' for when abuse victims kill their abusers, not when the abusers kill their victims
We have to try and understand why things like this happen, even if the reasons don't make sense to us, because that's the only way to prevent this from happening again. Turning a blind eye to that reason doesn't magically absolve anyone of responsibility; it just makes us feel better to blame one person instead of systemic causes.
@@Kiterpuss so your solution is to blame disabled people for simply living and having…… disabilities. shut up you fucking abled, im sick of you people trying to rationalize the abuse we go through just because we’re different. if you “understand” why an able bodied person felt the need to murder their disabled relative, youre just as bad as them point blank
i'm a forensic psychology student and typically covering the victim's face is most commonly seen in cases where the perpetrator intimately knew the victim and it can be a sign of subconcious guilt, or hint at someone's discomfort with the way they left the victim, or often suggest some level of fear, disgust or shame at their actions. interestingly enough, the covering of the face is seen in many, *many* murders done by female killers who knew their victims.
not seeing red flags on someone's social media seems exactly normal. when did we start thinking that someone's tik tok should be seen as a comprehensive look at who someone is and expect to see hints of terrible acts they're capable of, it is their curated version of themselves presented to the world.
Imo, you can only "act" a certain way as an image before you start becoming it. Kinda like how david bowie said about his role as ziggy. He felt like he wasn't himself anymore, but ziggy. He had to take a step back and create another persona or present his character differently so he didn't just become someone else.
As someone who's disabled, and also a counselor and advocate, what we need are greater family supports for families with disabled kids. Both parentification and emotional neglect (perceived or real) are frequently products of necessity. Someone who's disabled requires more time, simply due to medical appointments, treatments, extra care with activities of daily living, etc. If we, as a society, had more resources to help offset that pressure from parents, then those parents would be able to split attention more. Also, the fact that she was 14 is hugely significant. While I'm certain she has the capacity to understand death is permeant, at 14, we struggle with impulsivity, extreme emotional shifts, and impaired distress tolerance. I wouldn't be surprised to learn she snapped, realized oh shit, and immediately was filled with regret. The pillow and trying to clean the blood off were possibly trying to "undo" what had been done. I cannot imagine how horrible this would be to handle as a family, and I hope they are all able to get the help they certainly need.
@@HannahTheHorrible Wow. Imagine defending a cold-blooded murderer. There are millions of people with s*itty parents who don't pay them attention. Killing so who is helpless is literally the trait of a psychopath. And this manifests around the age of 15. Just like in her case. Also, if you really felt for the victims, you wouldn't promote some game where you resolve "murder mysteries" in a video about a f*cking murder case. Tone-deaf.
This. For context, I grew up homeschooled. I almost lost my mom in a car accident when I was 13 and she was left with a minor TBI, but the injury affect us all. I still feel that even after 10 years that I was affect a lot as a kid because I would be left alone in the house with her during the morning and afternoon and I would have to balance out both doing my schoolwork and making sure my mom was alright. There's a reason why I was very depressed at that point in my life and I would not wish it on anyone else. I felt alone, more than ever at that time.
As someone who is disabled, I really appreciate the light you shed on this issue. The other thing that cuts deep is when people say "Oh only the elderly and disabled are at risk" and we hear "don't worry, it doesn't matter if it kills people like YOU." ableism is so deeply engrained in society and people just refuse to see it.
@@gorefairy1190 maybe not directly. its always never used in those words. it’s hard to notice when people imply those things because it’s something that we hear as “normal”.
@@gorefairy1190 w regards to infectious diseases etc, historically that is exactly how disabled and elderly ppl are treated. It’s unfortunate but on the other hand, it’s fortunate that you haven’t experienced it personally!
@@gorefairy1190 You must not have heard what many "public health experts" have been saying about COVID recently, including the fucking CDC director. It's disgusting.
@@gorefairy1190 Have you not been listening to anything involving Covid and anti masking? Because that’s all people are saying “well it won’t affect me, it only hurts old and disabled people”
there's also a chance that Claire had consistently heard her parents say stuff like "not now, I need to tend to your sister," or "your sister needs XYZ first," and that kind of speech can lead a child to resent the sibling because they start to view them as the one barrier between them and the parental affection they may be lacking. it's so shitty.
I once yelled at someone on the phone for wanting me to place something minor they needed for my special needs kid over something incredibly important my eldest needed from me when I asked to call them back. Then I called back and spoke to the supervisor.
As someone with Special Needs. My sister understood. She and I never got along (We do now.) but I am thankful she didn't try anything (Could be that she did want a sister.)
I used to be like that when my little brother got diagnosed with type 1 diabetes. I’ve grown out of it though but he needed the extra care due to him being really young when he was diagnosed and I was younger too and… you know… childish resentment or other. But I’ve never thought of seriously harming my family.
The reality is that the disabled child will need more care. It just kinda is what it is. Many people, who complain about that kind of thing, don’t really understand how hard of a situation it is and how it affects the whole family. However, I think it’d be good if the parents could try to explain to the other child the reality of what is going on, so hopefully they understand more and don’t see it as though they are loved any less.
with someone with a form of cerebral palsy(worster drought syndrome if anyone is curious) AND the oldest out of my siblings, this actually scares me. Rest in peace hellen
What does it feel like, do you talk the way the people with cerebral palsy in sbsk? Is it any different from Helen's case and so and so? I am so curious to know what it feels like to be disabled
The justification of murder of disabled people in cases like this makes me feel so unsafe and worthless as someone disabled - thank you for bringing that up Hannah
Hannah, thank you for emphasizing Helen's humanity and pushing back at those who would value her life less because she was disabled. Your empathy shines through in your videos, and sets you apart from a lot of other true crime/horror producers here.
My brother had cerebral palsy (he didn’t get “cured” or anything he just passed away) and as someone who is also disabled I really hate how we are seen as disposable because of our disabilities, as if we are anything less than fellow human beings. People care a lot less about us when we are murdered cause they don’t see us as someone’s child, a sibling, a friend or anything of the sort. It’s sick to me that there’s barely any information about who she was other than the fact that she is disabled.
i’m so sorry for your loss 💔 i hope you’re doing alright. your comment really resonated with me, as someone with both invisible and visible disabilities. at the end of the day, we are *still* regular, “normal” people with complex emotions like everyone else. seems like that’s often forgotten :/
i think its strange people deem her as a tiktokker when really she was just a normal 14 year old and thats why this is such a tragic and insane case to think about. claire, by all means, seemed so “normal” ; i definitely see myself in her through her social media posts and interests in anime and music. id love to see claire get the actual help she obviously needs because nobody with a sane mind would do this and i really hope hellen’s legacy lives on and is spread. i also hope this case brings light to mental health issues like this case in teenagers. its horrifying to think someone so young could do something so ill spirited and evil. i pray for hellen’s family, and i even pray for claire. i hope her life turns around and she puts a lot of effort into sharing her sister’s name. hellen deserved NONE of this.
@@TuberoseKisser The thing is, there’s millions of people on TikTok around the world. There’s a lot of murders down by people who have posted vids on RUclips, but most of them aren’t called “RUclipsr killers”. At some point, we have to stop calling these people “tiktokers” because that’s most people, there’s moms and grandmas on tiktok
Normal? The girl was an entitled little narcissist. A good portion of the Gen Zs I’ve met are just like her too, in my experience. Like, a scary amount.
I know, it's weird. Almost everyone on the planet is on social media so why is Tik Tok (billions of people are on Tik Tok) seen as some rare thing that needs to be mentioned in every headline. Like that was THE thing about her and so CrAzY aNd DiFfErEnT! Except for a small handful, practically every killer of the past 20 years has had a social media presence so its just....weird when it's talked about like it isn't just a normal thing that everyone has.
@@TuberoseKisser Tons of crimes are committed by people who post every day on Facebook but we don't call them Facebookers. " The most recent crimes have been committed by tiktokers" Um what? Crimes are committed every day, murders are pretty common. That doesn't make sense. I get that there have been a couple of high profile murder cases related to people who happened to use tiktok but that isn't the same statement.
Looking at her content, Claire seems to me like a teenager with either untreated psychological problems or imagined psychological problems from being exposed to certain communities on social media. I know what teenagers in the anime community can be like for example. And no I'm not blaming anime here, I just know her type because I kind of been there at her age (didn't actually hurt anyone, though. But I know how the urges feel like). I imagine she probably had an outburst and saw her sister as an easy target because of her disability, in addition to other motives, which is just heartbreaking. Probably had a wakeup call in the middle of it. Very sad for Helen and it's so unfair how little is remembered about her other than her disability. Disabled people deserve better.
I totally agree with you. those anime communities romanticize psychopathy and mental illness too much. it’s actually very worrying to know the influence and popularity it has among this generation.
Im gonna go on a limb and say """imagined psychological problems""" would be in-of-itself a psychological problem, you cant just _make up_ having mania or psychosis, and then display the symptoms of mania or psychosis in the process, up and to MURDER. (please excuse the reductive language) if a little girl pretends to be crazy so hard she legitimately goes crazy thats just being crazy.
@user-dx4oo1ql5x I'd also like to point our the kinds of harrassment that kids who are "different" face. Cause I was relentlessly bullied for liking anime and it did contribute to some pretty severe anger issues (CLEARLY NOT THIS BAD)
I do think jealousy, possible parentification, stress and rage surrounding that makes sense as a motive. Of course a motive is never a justification. Like how people will kill family with the motive of collecting health insurance money. It’s unfathomable but has a thin thread of cold hearted logic
And I think because she’s young and immature those feelings of jealousy and rage would feel so much more big and uncontrollable that led her to make that awful decision
@@createdtogaze You're correct. Especially because she is still in the beginning phase of teenagehood, her brain has quite literally shifted drastically. This can highly impact her ability to rationalize any emotion -- and if she's mentally ill, that already doubled inability would be tripled. God, being a parent sounds so difficult, and I really hope those parents are able to receive intensive help.
The age gap really makes me wonder if there was pressure for her to take over her sister’s care one day. Not saying that’s the case OR that that is any excuse. But it does give My Sister’s Keeper vibes.
I've been raised with that motion and it has driven me to dark mental times during my teens. I think that's exactly what drove Claire. She didn't want to take care of her. Only to regret it
19:00 i agree with you, but not for the same reason. i’ve always thought that her motive was her being jealous of the attention her sister got from her parents & probably thought that she would get that attention if she got rid of her sister. the only part that throws me off is that helen was older than claire so claire wouldn’t have experienced a loss of attention after helen’s birth. and to clarify: she can’t get life without parole or the death penalty since she’s under 18, even if she is tried as an adult.
Dang I was hoping she would get the chair not like she is innocent she stabbed her sister at least 15 or 20 times like if she had any remorse or anything you think she would stop after one or two no even with her sister beging and pleading stop help why are you doing this and she just kept stabbing she needs life at least he'll the old days they would hang you for stealing now you can be a serial killer and just sit in a cell till you get out on good behavior shits fucked
As a younger sibling whose older sibling was always prioritized (nothing to do with dissability in this case), being neglected in favor of your sibling is something hard to deal with and has nothing to do with who was born first. It also creates more of a competitive relationship with a sibling vs a loving one. Granted, she also obviously had a lot of psycological problems regardless.
Good point! There also doesn't seem to be much known about the amount of care Helen required, so its odd that people are assuming parentification was definitely a motive.
6:26 We need to stop spreading the myth that you can use social media only in your right mind. Social media is just a form of communication, for a lot of people its the same as just talking. I myself as a person with serious mental illness, that, among other things, can make me violent, often use social media both before psychotic attack and while i'm in a state of one. not saying that the murderer herself was ill (most murderers are mentally stable), but its a harmful myth non the less and is often used for ableism, victimblaming and gaslighting.
I agree with what you stated, but there is something you said that is factually incorrect. Most murderers have extreme mental illnesses that are not diagnosed nor detected until it's too late. Therefore, most murderers are NOT mentally stable. But yes, social media is just communication. However, in this girl's case, her extreme use of it does have many, many telling signs of mental illness.
@@DeaDiabola i once overdosed like an idiot when i still used xans and took pictures while fading in and out of conciousness and even tried to looke up "how to know if you overdosed on benzos"
@@HannahTheHorrible I would like to point out some comments you’ve given a “heart” to are comments trying to justify or “”explain”” Claire’s murder. The disabled community doesn’t need you promoting that. Helen is a victim.
@@asmrtpop2676 which comments?? ive just read through a ton of the hearted comments and none of them are rlly defending claire from what i could tell /genq/nm
I wonder why Tiktok deleted her account when they've left jinnkid's account? He murdered his estranged wife. Feels very gross that hers was deleted and his was left up (to be clear: I think both accounts need to be gone).
When i was 15, I was placed in charge of taking care of my autistic sibling after my parents split. There was no one else to take care of him, so i had to take care of his schooling, paperwork, diaper changes, grooming, everything. The situation took so much away from my adolescence and early adulthood and still, I couldn't imagine hurting him. Hell, the situation took so much away from his adolescence, too, there was no way I could ignore him and let him fall through the cracks. We've both grown so much now and he's a friendly young man.
I'm a college student that when not on campus I live with my mother and my older sister that has Down Syndrome and is showing signs of early onset dementia. I understand that being put into a caretaking role as a child is difficult and frustrating at times, for sure. I often stayed home to take care of my sister when my mom worked. I'm also very defensive of her and will not hesitate to scare off the edgy teens and rude old ladies when they start making ableist remarks towards her. As others have stated, teenagers and young adults have a prefrontal cortex that is still developing. The prefrontal cortex is responsible for things like decision making, impulse control, and critical thinking. So while I think what Claire did to Helen is beyond deplorable, I also think that she shouldn't be given the death penalty. I'm already completely for rehabilitation over incarceration, but especially so for a child. Incarceration doesn't do anything beneficial, especially in the US where recidivism rates are so high due to the way our country treats criminals.
i saw this whole thing going down so im very interested to see you summarize it!! its definetly been dramatized to the point where i dont think people really understand the horror of what happened anymore, and i always appreciate how seriously you take these things
i know its a controversial point to bring up her interests in horror & dark anime but.. speaking from personal experience it can really warp your view of things when youre younger and i feel like thats entirely possible here. i think it might have just fueled someone who was already very apathetic and destructive to so often see these things in their "fake" form. its very hard to truly understand the finality of death but i hope one day she learns
As the disabled sibling I always feel guilty when my younger sister is compared to me She gets the “why can’t you be like him?” Speech when I can’t do the things that she’s able to do, and she’s unable to do like me So I definitely understand the pressure from parents section, whether that was the reason or not
To the ppl excusing her murdering her sister because of 'age' and 'impulsivity', I had severe anger, PTSD, depression and BPD at 14 (wasn't officially diagnosed with the BPD until 18) and I was FULL OF RAGE, but I NEVER murdered anyone. I never thought about it. It's not an excuse. That girl has zero empathy and doesn't deserve to have excuses made for her.
I'm disabled, so its not surprising that there's not much information about Helen out there. Usually people look at us as though we are our disability, and that's all we are. It's not often that we are treated as people. I appreciate you doing everything you could to look for more info about Helen, and also pointing out how hard it is to find info. I appreciate you❤️
As a sibling of a person who is disabled, I can easily say that I was groomed for parenthood over my sibling. My childhood was watching my disabled sibling and in home daycare kids getting more love and attention than I did. I rarely went to the doctors and once I got to go only after the school threatened to keep me out of school if I didn't go see someone. Reasons for not going? My sibling and the daycare. For my 24th birthday and to this day, I have found out so many things about my health that now my health summary is about 1 1/2 pages long. I even have the same disability as my disabled sibling though not as severe as theirs. I am an adult now and though I couldn't hurt him, I hurt everyday because of my childhood. I struggle doing simple things because of my childhood. It isn't my siblings or the daycares fault. I struggle daily to tell myself that it isn't mine either.
You should do a video on snow the salt queen, she's another tik toker that's murdered someone but you don't hear about the case too often. It's quite a wild story all around
I am a disabled person who survived a filicide attempt so I really appreciate your commentary. It sucks how often the humanity of disabled people is denied to provoke sympathy for the perpetrator. But I also appreciate your nuance on the topic because 14 is very young.
The thing about claiming insanity is that it's very, very hard. It almost never works,. You get interviewed by multiple psychologists, multiple times. It is a whole process you have to go through. Even if you manage to somehow fool everyone, it's not the easy cruising people think it is. A lot of times psychiatric hospitals are worse than prison. Not to mention you can be sent there with no real sentence. Meaning they keep you there until they deem you sane. So what would be a few years in prison can end up being more than a decade in a hospital.
The fact people find these incidents funny really says a lot and it's horrifying. A real person has lost their life and there are people in those in the TikTok comments who think it's hilarious. I just don't understand it. Dark humour is also not an excuse here.
It's probably the overexposure to violent crimes in the media. After you see so much carnage all the time, you get desensitised to it to the point where crimes like this don't even feel real anymore. EDIT: Not trying to excuse people making light of this situation, just trying to provide a possible explanation.
I can say from experience, TikTok commenters don’t care about anything. If it’s not relatable to them, they simply do not give two craps. And they will resort to “Dark humor” for shock value and attention. Dark humor *can* be funny. But, not this. This isn’t funny. It’s just sick.
As someone with a dark sense of humor, I find it disgusting that people use it as an excuse to laugh at real tragedies. There's a difference between going "haha what if I died just now" and making fun of a deceased child.
I appreciate your commentary so much. You shed light on the epidemic of disabled people being murdered but also showed compassion for the children in the case and it's just really refreshing
This is going to sound really grim, because it is, but if the younger sister were experiencing particularly severe self-destructive thoughts… there's a certain kind of person who, when they're in that place, comes to believe that it would be for the best if they took the person or people they care about most with them. I wouldn't be surprised if this were her intention, only for her to realise what she had done and was going to do and turn herself in. None of this is mutually exclusive with jealousy or feeling burdened; these things are rarely simple and straightforward. Regardless, this is, more than anything, just a horribly sad case.
14 year olds definitely know murder is wrong and the consequences of it. I remember being 13 and hearing adults say ‘but she was only x year old’ & being frustrated, bc if I knew better & i was younger, so did they. That being said, I do agree she should be tried as a minor
@Marta Wroblewska just because someone knows what something is doesn’t mean they fully understand the depth of it. If she really was having some sort of breakdown you’re definitely not going to be thinking rationally. Especially if it’s to the point of going to hurt someone, let alone murder. Someone has to be completely disconnected from themselves to do something like that, shit I sure feel guilty after just yelling at someone, after a while. In the moment of deep emotion you often don’t think, that would probably be even worse when underdeveloped. She definitely deserves a great punishment but life in prison/death penalty? Surely not. If she is capable for rehabilitation and to understand what she did to the full extent then rehabilitate her. Not every kid a certain age is going to think the same 💁♀️
@Marta Wroblewska that’s why I mentioned rehabilitation, that can be in a mental hospital or whatever services they have available to her. If she isn’t just thrown into prison then I’m sure there could be some way of her leading a normal life farrrr down. My point being she’s still a child, everyone is different and if there is something wrong mentally then she could have not realized the weight of her actions in the moment 💁♀️ teenagers brains aren’t fully developed, especially in the frontal lobe which is responsible for impulse control. Not to mention if she was having a breakdown her amygdala (controls emotional responses) would be acting super wonky. And as I’ve said before, not every kid is going to think the same, yes it’s easy to say everyone has a common basis of what’s right and wrong but not everyone has the basis of responsibility towards their actions.
@Maraw Please do not speak of developmental psychology as if you were stating facts, when you are highly misinformed and stating opinions, instead. I already replied to a comment similar to this, so I'll just paste the rest here, since it does very much apply. When it comes to trialing her as an adult or as a juvenile: *it's not truly a matter of her knowledge.* Whilst kids can definitely objectively understand something as death/murder -- there is an extreme lack of emotional & impulsive control in children, *especially* during the transition to being a teen, as the brain's grey matter changes drastically during this time. *A 14 year old's brain is around 70-75% developed,* meaning that to trial them as a human being who has their brain 100% developed and providing her with a penalty that many adults who have committed worse crimes never received -- is a bit inapt. Not only that, but since children are still highly developing, putting her in juvenile with the psychiatric & psychological resources she needs, will help prevent her mental state from worsening. Whilst if she's trialed as an adult, there is a chance she won't even get a life sentence or spend her life in jail; which means that due to the lack of psychiatric resources she'll receive in adult trial, the chances of her crimes proceeding or worsening will be higher if she's released than if she were to be in juvenile jail (aka the recipe for a serial killer). Juvenile jail is the safer choice here.
This story breaks my heart so much, my older sister is surprisingly similar to the deceased sister, she has CP, albeit not severe, she’s an artist and a writer and her teachers described her exactly as “Bringing joy and light to every room”
while i don't think claire should get the death penalty, i'm kinda sick of people acting like a 14 year old doesn't know EXACTLY what she is doing in this case
Exactly! They keep saying "Oh she was a young child" and yes, she was a minor, but hardly a young child. A young child is like 10 and younger, she was 14 and should've had the maturity to know it's wrong to murder her sister unless of course she was mentally ill which is no excuse, but then I say mental hospital instead
Right? A "child" or not, murder is murder. They deserve to be on trail all the same. It makes me sick to my stomach just hearing her say she thinks it should be moved to juvenile court because "she's just a child 🥺🥺🥺"
When it comes to trialing her as an adult or as a juvenile: it's not truly a matter of her knowledge. Whilst kids can definitely objectively understand something as death/murder -- there is an extreme lack of emotional & impulsive control in children, *especially* during the transition to being a teen, as the brain's grey matter changes drastically during this time. A 14 year old's brain is around 70-75% developed, meaning that to trial them as a human being who has their brain 100% developed and providing her with a penalty that many adults who have committed worse crimes never received -- is a bit inapt. Not only that, but since children are still highly developing, putting her in juvenile with the psychiatric & psychological resources she needs, will help prevent her mental state from worsening. Whilst if she's trialed as an adult, there is a chance she won't even get a life sentence or spend her life in jail; which means that due to the lack of psychiatric resources she'll receive in adult trial, the chances of her crimes proceeding or worsening will be higher if she's released than if she were to be in juvenile jail (aka the recipe for a serial killer). Juvenile jail is the safer choice here.
Helen looks so beautiful and happy in the pictures/screenshots that were shown of her to the point it makes me feel even worse… which I thought was a hard thing to achieve with this whole situation at all. I live with a decent handful of temporary and permanent disabilities. Growing up, even before my biggest disability was noticed enough for a diagnosis, my family knew something was …off. I was very behind my peers in basic things like learning how to walk and talk. My parents very quickly did their best, of course, but it always made my big sister need to care for herself more often than not; I was allowed to interrupt her, I took priority on regular days on what I wanted to eat, etc. When my most noticeable disability was finally diagnosed, it didn’t make things better. My parents had it easier, as they were finally given the help they deserved all this time, but my sister was pushed even more on the back burner, and I lost who I was as a person. My entire life felt like a lie, to the point I felt I had been lying to all my friends, too. It wasn’t long after this that my parents realized what happened. How my sis was always the one who spoke the least at the table, how she would mostly just go with what I wanted. We gave her the center stage, and things seem to be looking up. She’s one of the lights of my life I haven’t lost yet, and I planned to never lose her… but I can’t help but feel a burden to *her* as she has always said she knew full well that when I moved out home I was most likely going to live with her. That her specific degree was to help families like ours, and even after she assured me that it wasn’t because of my disability, that this just made her more determined to take this route, I still felt like a burden to her. I still *feel* like a burden to her. It doesn’t matter that I, along with countless other disabled folk, don’t need an aide. Or that I can be left without supervision or need less doctors appointments or have some amazing good days; at the end of the day, if I lost my parents, I wouldn’t know which way is up. I don’t *look* like I’m disabled, but you’d know as soon as I opened my mouth that something was wrong… but that doesn’t mean a single bloody thing. I’m still a human being. *Helen is still a human being too* . I can’t wait for Helen to be given justice, just like everyone else, but I agree with you; Claire still needs help. Clair doesn’t know which way is up, either, even if she’s considered to be their abled daughter.
I was born with Juvenile Rheumatoid Arthritis and I am a rare case of an adult who not only didn't grow out of it, I am full on bedridden, and have to use a wheelchair if I am able to go out as I can't stand for more than 5 minutes without collapsing. Since I started to decline this badly, my fiance and my son have to pick up a lot of what I can't do. My fiance even wheels me anywhere and everywhere that I have to and even want to go. He tells me not to worry, but I feel like such a burden on both of them all the time. Reading your note to Helen had me tearing up. I don't hear that kind of thing from others all that much. I have amazing friends who tell me not to worry about having to be pushed around, or not being able to hang out, but no one ever comes out and says that I'm not a burden. It's always that I am, but that they don't mind because they love me. Which is also very sweet, don't get me wrong. I just have not had someone tell me that and because of what you were talking about before showing your note to Helen on screen, I felt as though your note to Helen is kind of an open note to everyone who feels as though they are a burden from no fault of their own. So thank you. Although not intended for me directly, your words really mean a lot.
You’re absolutely right about children’s brains not being developed enough. It was ruled that sentencing a child to life without parole is unconstitutional in 2012 specifically because they aren’t developed enough. This case just sucks all around, so much pain for this family. It’s so disappointing that so little can be found about Hellen.
Fucking... exhausted, by abled people deciding that our (disabled people) lives aren't worth living. I'm tired of ableds deciding that people like me would be better off dead, because being disabled is "such a tragedy."
its like, why do they get to play god and decide if we die because we live differently. its gross and knowing that ill need a walker eventually just makes me feel frightened for my future
@@transdragonite Hey- I actually use a walker myself! I promise it's not as scary as it sounds. I use a cane almost daily, and mobility aids are wonderful. It'll change your life for the better, I promise- you'll feel like a badass wizard if you're anything like me lol
@@transdragonite Oh hon- don't worry. You've got this! Look into the cripplepunk movement if you haven't already- I think you'd like it! There's all sorts of like... mobility aid customization projects too
i very much appreciate how you focus on the victims in your true crime videos, it's sickening how some people and news outlets only talk about the perpetrator and the loss of the victim's life feels almost downplayed in the sensationalism of the crime itself
Ngl i think this is the best video about the situation i've seen! All of the other videos i've watched just brush the whole thing off as "some teenage girl k*lls someone for tiktok clout" and they don't ACTUALLY say anything about what happened. (For god's sake, in one video i saw: the creator went on a tangent about claire's TIKTOK USERNAME BEING PRETENTIOUS EVEN THOUGH THAT ISN'T EVEN IMPORTANT TO THE STORY!!!) But anyways, great video!
People on TikTok’s response makes me so angry and disgusted. And that guy criticizing her username for being pretentious when she’s 14? What was he expecting? Sounds like his video was awful on so many levels
I have autism, and due to bullying and traumatic friend groups suffered severe homicidal ideation. I had plans. I got saved and sent to a mental hospital, got a diagnosis, and was saved. Some of us aren't. Ableism is still a huge problem and just hurting yourself isn't the only reaction to bullying.
Definitely. Homicidal & suicidal thoughts are both accompanied by mental illnesses/trauma, and it's important that people don't forget that and are able to receive treatment for both. I'm proud of you for getting through all those thoughts and agony, even if there is still a long way to go. :)
We have so many people who are ‘tiktok’ killers it’s so terrifying. Even more so her being an anime fan- as someone who’s into anime I just- It’s mind boggling
Oh, tiktok it's the wild west now, there are predators, killers, scammers, the whole mess, and the wonderful thing on tiktok it's that cancelations are even more useless there lol, only one or two did get their accounts closed
@@mmisafire there's a kid who killed his neighbor who was popular on TikTok for making 'Karen' videos about the wife of the victim, I can't remember his name though
Also, I was able to find the article from March 10, 2023 which states that Claire ultimately entered a plea of guilty but mentally ill, which is not the same as the previously-discussed NGRI. Guilty but mentally ill essentially is a plea that acknowledges mental illness as a primary motivator for a criminal action, but does not attempt to defer responsibility for the crime due to mental illness. It's the legalese/court-speak way of saying, "I was super ill when I did this, but I understood at the time that it was wrong and I cannot tell the court that I didn't understand that, therefore I accept responsibility for the crime as committed." Claire will serve 12.5 to 40 years in prison in State Correctional Institution - Muncy, a women's prison with a Young Adult Offender Unit and multiple mental health programs within its walls. At trial, she answered the judge's questions and assured him that she was of sound mind to enter this plea on her own accord, and while she was declared mentally ill but not mentally disabled, she entered into the record that she has been treated for depression and an unspecified psychotic disorder. The treating physician's summary of her conditions was also officially entered into the court record.
As a person with a disability, this makes me really feel for everyone involved, especially the victim. I was in a work accident and it basically cost me most of the function in my right arm, and because of that, I can’t work, and I have a hard time with a lot of household tasks and I need assistance with a lot of things that most people take for granted. I often feel like a burden and I’m constantly frustrated by trying and failing to be independent. I can’t imagine how Helen must’ve felt, but during this ultimate betrayal, the sting of her own sister doing this to her was probably the last thing that lady ever thought. Absolutely tragic and heartbreaking.
Honestly I can say that normally true crime stories dont effect me. But having a sister with sever case of what Helen had. It hurts alot. Seeing how someone who can't even defend themselves had to go through that I love my sister and I could NOT fathom how someone could do that to a sweet caring person. Made me cry
As an older sister, and the oldest of 12 cousins, i will never understand how some people will actively try to hurt their siblings. I've literally tried to physically fight grown adults (I'm 5'2 and i was teen when this happened) out of sheer protective instic towards my siblings. No matter what happens, if I'm mad or upset at them, it's overshadowed by the unconditional love i feel for them. It disgusts me and terrifies me to think there's people in the world that will do something like what Claire did. Rest in peace Helen Miller
@@salemcrow5078 it's kind of always been like that for me(? Ofc we fight from time to time. Still it's normal if you don't feel like that, all families are different and there isn't a RIGHT way to feel about people
you probably haven’t been tasked of caring for a disabled sibling or being pushed to the side so your sibling can be cared for. Not a comparable situation
This girl was my mutual. I remember people commenting under my TikTok telling me to unfollow, and I was so shocked that I had even interacted with this horrible person. Crazy.
I kinda don't agree when you say "she's 14 she don't really know what shes doing." , umm, take the two little boys they kidnapped and murdered the two year old little boy James Bulger ....
i think its very nearly impossible for younger people to truly understand life and death. there was one man who killed his younger neighbor when he was only 14, and he recently spoke about not being able to truly comprehend what he had done. im sure there are exceptions to the rule like with all things but i believe bc of the kind of media she was engaged with, it warped her view of things
I agree I know teens shouldn't be expected to have the same maturity as adults and let's be honest not all adults are mature but I think using the excuse that she's a teenager and doesn't know any better isn't a good one teens aren't that stupid most teens even young kids understand that murder is bad.
The video didn't claim she didn't know what she was doing, but that her brain is not fully developed and she physically cannot process things the same way an adult can, and as such needs the kind of counseling that a juvenile facility would give. I would say the samething about the boys who killed James Bulger
Love this discussion you guys, thanks for keeping it constructive! @sparkling rose senshi gaming I understand where you’re coming from. I too go back and forth on it
Just based on that tiktok she posted, i think it does have something to do with the crime. Her father was making fun of her room by calling it a japanese gay bar, because anime boys are typically "gay looking" to judgemental people. This isn't justifying her actions, but it definitely shows how her anger could have already been kickstarted that morning.
@18:53 "she's 14 effing years old" so? Doesnt mean she gets a lighter sentence in my book. Kids at that age always do mischievous or non legal stuff but it's rare that they claim the life of someone. Also alot of them are aware they get lesser punishment because of their age.
My friend literally lives in their neighborhood and I just asked if she’s heard of it - she has - then asked if she ever heard anything about Helen as a person in regards to coverage on this case and she hasn’t. Thank you for mentioning this. I hate that disabilities are used as character traits
I honestly have so many thoughts and reactions to this tragic news, but a big one that I can pinpoint is pure disappointment/disgust, from the media making things worse, to the unjust laws, and most importantly, in the systemic issue in how society views and treats those with disabilities. I think that if, perhaps, society didn't look down on those with disabilities, and the stigma around mental illness and counseling etc. were gone, such tragic events such as this could be prevented
This was really depressing, seeing how the killer might not have been in the best of the state and to act upon her disabled sister, and I only hope that they might have been good friends, but the betrayal would've been hard on Helen. Rest well.
I've seen a few ads for hunt a killer, but yours, showing you chilling in comfies, no makeup, a blanket, and a cup of tea in a dinky teacup and saucer appealed to me so much! It looks like the perfect way to spend an evening of 'me' time, that's the way I want to do it 🤗💛 ....even though I'd need the easy peasy version if I'm just relying on myself lol.
I am the older sibling of someone with a disability and sometimes I also felt jealous and forgotten by my parents because my brother needed the attention. Even though I understand those feelings of Clare had those, it doesn’t justify what she did in the slightest. I’m always disgusted with people who make excuses for or sympathies with someone who killed a disabled person. Those people could fuck off for all I care.
yeah she was 14 but her sister was 19 and never will be able to live life. she needs to be tried as an adult. she took one’s life and needs to be held accountable no matter how old if you take someone’s life especially that brutally you should be tried as an adult
I honestly struggle so much with juveniles being tried as adults. On one hand, it takes a lot for a child to calculate and plan a murder which leads me to believe that they probably aren’t as “childlike” as we thought, but on the other hand, the mind of a child isn’t fully developed… idk…. I don’t think she should go away forever, but definitely a decade or so in prison.
Look at it this way, would you feel the same if it was a rape case? Let's say a 19-year-old raped a 19-year-old and got 20 years (wishful thinking). Now, let's also say there's a 14-year-old who did the very same to a girl his age as well, and was given the same amount of time. Would you say the 14-year-old deserved less time for the exact same crime? Personally, I wouldn't. Both knew better and chose to commit such acts either way. I understand how people first bring up how 14-year-olds aren't even completely developed mentally yet, and how it should be taken into account. Okay, well neither are 18-year-olds who are tried as adults every day. And who just like 14-year-olds, most definitely know that crimes like rape (and murder in this case) are disgusting and serious crimes that come with real life consequences that are just as serious. Should they receive mental help, absolutely. But it should be in a prison setting, not a juvenile. Juvi is a place where kids who were caught fighting or who skipped school to many times are sent, not someone who committed murder. Hypothetically speaking, let's say your teen was sent to juvi for truancy. Would you feel comfortable if your teen had to share a cell with Claire, a known murderer? Imagine not being able to do a thing about it. How would your teen feel? Just some things to consider.
While I understand your thoughts on why Hannah doesn’t deserve to be tried as an adult, I don’t think that the benefits of rehabilitation and the like should be the only reason to pull the reins of this. She MURDERED a disabled person, her own family. Whatever she had going on in her life - I’m WELL past done giving people a pass for their misdeeds. A 14 year old is old enough to know murder is wrong, and old enough to know if they are seriously feeling homicidal or suicidal, to get help. Hell, I knew both of these things when I was eight. There is NEVER an excuse, mitigating factors, maybe, but ultimately, I’m tired of our entire society being so entitled as to say someone who knew EXACTLY what they were doing, maybe even acting erratically and KNOWING they’re doing so, should be sentenced in a lesser court seems to me the ultimate failure to the victims. That being said, I hope Hannah’s able to get rehabilitated, still, while still facing a length (though not indefinite) sentence
I've decided to binge the heck out of your channel today after finding your do not research iceberg series. I totally love your content, the way you tell stories and weave intricate imagery of each subject is fascinating. I also really love your hair, it's so pretty!
I dunno.. I'm 17 at the moment but I knew not to murder people at the age of like, 5. And it kinda goes without saying. So her being only 3 years younger than me, she definitely should know by now how serious that is. I personally think her getting charged as an adult is completely reasonable. My little brother is 10 and he was disgusted by this, completely understanding how psychotic she is.
I think it’s possible she both knew what she was doing but could not, because of her maturity and development, think of the consequences. She was angry or possibly has a mental illness and wanted to carry out the worst thing there is, murder, but was so in the moment that she didn’t realize Helen wouldn’t be here anymore and what this would actually do to her family. I hope Helen is resting now.
I completely agree. I’m 15 and I think it’s pretty strange that people my age are considered ‘too young to know better’. The brain of a young teenager is definitely a lot different to an adult but by that age, most people would know that murder is bad and there are consequences for your actions.
God... I live near here, and honestly it's just so horrible how this whole thing happened. Unfortunately, central Pennsylvania doesn't have a lot of good resources for kids and teenagers with mental health problems, so even if she was dealing with something prior to her taking her sister's life, they might not have given her family the resources to prevent this situation. It all really sucks. Rest in peace, Helen.
I do not feel sympathy for Claire at all. She does deserve to be tried for this case, but I can understand where a few of the motives came from. I love my sister. She's Diabetic, and gets a lot of attention from my parents and is always more free than me. And she's younger than me. I am currently medicated for a few different things, such as depr3ssion, ADHD, and Insomnia. And yet I get a whole sh*t less of attention than her. But would I murd3r her out of jealousy? Absolutely not!
My grandmother had a major stroke when I was 19. I took care of her from the age of 19 up until the age of 32. There were a lot of times i felt overwhelmed and wanted to pull my hair out. Now I know I was a little bit older than Claire when I took on a caretaker role but I just couldn't picture doing that to someone I love. Even if she wasn't a caretaker, it makes me sad thinking about Helen in such a defenseless state while that horrible thing is happening to her.
As sad as this story is and while I totally agree what Claire did shout not be forgiven and she should be held accountable, I honestly would not be surprised if it came out during the trial that Claire was born to be a future caretaker for her sister once the parents were too old to safely care for Helen. I’ve heard of stories before of this happening to younger siblings being flat out told their only purpose and only reason they were born was to look after their disabled sibling from Reddit. Part of me really hopes that’s not the case for Claire and that while Helen understandably got more attention that Claire’s parents had her cause they just wanted a second child. I again won’t be surprised to hear if she was born to be the future caretaker of her sister.
Justice for Helen! That video of seeing that dad smile, being goofy to entertain his daughters…. What he doesn’t know yet is what’s terrifying and painful to observe almost like his innocence in this. The family didn’t seem to be aware of the darkness of their own child. I couldn’t imagine how their community looks at them or makes them feel.
Excited to watch this one specifically, since I remember just scrolling on TikTok and seeing her vids to then find out what she did in the comments 🙃 seeing someone so close to age as me do something like this and seeing their post is terrifying.
i can’t stress enough that you are one of the most respectful channels out there when it comes to true crime. anyone can tell that you truly care about the victim in every case. ♥️
Slap a stranger on the bus! Don't even travel on it, just get on there, slap a stranger and get off. Also if you like meth we can smoke some beforehand to make the slapping more entertaining
hannah i love your videos and theyre always very engaging !! have you ever considered adding subtitles to your videos? i have trouble hearing sometimes and it would be pretty nice to have closed captions. i know that they take quite a bit of effort to input though so i would understand why you wouldnt. thanks!
I know, I totally agree with you and this is definitely one of the goals. Especially because RUclips often doesn’t turn on the automatic captions it’s so infuriating and I know I have hard of hearing people in my audience. I can’t really afford it right now tbh, but I know a lot of subscribers have offered to do it for free so I’ll try to put this further up on my priority list!
@@HannahTheHorrible Super excited to hear this since my wife and I both have auditory issues and LOVE your stuff. She's hard of hearing and I have processing issues.
As a person with a disability why would ppl get more triggered if a disabled person is murdered over a non-disabled person? It’s a human life being taken & disabilities don’t add or take away from that.
i cant talk for any other videos but on this one i can say that its likely because of the fact that it discusses the possibility of murder motivated by hatred/resentment of someone due to their disability
Oh heck yeah a new one...So excited. Also, hunt a killer with some candles, tea, a really soft blanket, and a dog or cat sounds amazing, and I'm lonely, so doing this with my dog would be entertaining!
Thank you for standing up for Helen. Too often I hear excuses, sympathy or justification for people who kill, abuse or violate people with disabilities.
Thank you so much for this video. It means more than anything that you treated this as it is, and not that Claire is nothing but a horrible psychopath. I don’t know anyone in this case personally but as someone who has experience with these types of situations it means a ton. So many people see in black and white and I truly believe that, as unforgivable as her actions were, she needs psychological help, not prison. This video was so well made. Thank you.
as a sibling of a disabled child, i do get it. i’m not excusing what she did but i’m also not going to stand here and act like i didn’t think about it. i was kicked out after having an emotional breakdown from my older (profoundly handicapped) brother biting me and i was severely injured i started to refuse to take care of him after the fact. my mom forced me to take care of him my whole life, go to appointments, get him up and bathe him in the mornings and i was always subject to his brutality and her neglect
Shouldn’t be tried as an adult because she’s 14? Most 14 year olds don’t murder their sister, let alone their disabled sisters. Regardless of age she had the understanding of knowing what consequences her actions had, which is exactly why she should be charged as a adult
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why have a sponsor on a murder video, especially a sponsor like this??? so fucking disrespectful
This happened a couple neighborhoods down from me, and I still never hear anything about who Helen was as a person. Disabled people are so often chalked up to just their disability. Thank you for humanizing her.
It’s sad how little I could find about her 😢
Well, if it helps...judging from her photos, she seems like a very cheerful, sweet, & fun-loving person. :-)
As a disabled person, it makes me so angry how the disabled often get treated by society as if we don’t matter. In fact, we always hear about minority groups and their struggles and oppression but not really with the disabled.
Helen was great probably from they descriptions
@@sweetluvgurl how about dont make it a competition? Plus minority cases barely get talked about please stfu with that bs
I really appreciate your discussion around the disability and care taker murder rates and the idea of ableism in reports. I work for part of a charity where we specifically support siblings of children with disabilities to support their wellbeing and feel really connected and saddened by this case.
You're doing good work. Thank you!
Thank you so much for the work you do! I really wish I had some more support when I was younger as I had to care for my disabled brother. I had a hard time dealing with the responsibility and pressure but I was lucky enough to have a therapist to talk about it.
Thank you for working for such a charity! My younger sibling is disabled. As an adult, I understand why things are the way they are, but I remember feeling very "jealous" on and off as a kid because he tended to get more attention (and "got away with everything"). It's a tough thing for kids to grapple with, and the siblings too often are dismissed as just being selfish and/or ignorant.
When you work for a organization for disabled you NEED to remember the disabled folk need to have the loudest voice.
I’m sorry if I sound extremely rude, but the disabled community tend to prefer “disabled” beside “with disability”
@@alexandramcginnis8872 hi Alexandra I completely understand, there is a big debate at the moment about identity first or person first language so it is always personal preference to the individual. Currently we use person first language within our organization but this may change. We are constantly working to include the voices of individuals and for those who have been able to verbally express their preference this has been the case. We also spend a lot of time working on supporting those who are nonverbal to express their views around the services we provide.
it’s so fucking sickening that there are people out there who excuse murder cases revolving around “caretakers” taking care of disabled people. murder is murder, don’t defend murder. that disabled victim didn’t deserve to get their life taken away so brutally. again thank you for bringing this up, we need to talk about this more often.
Understanding and empathizing doesn't mean we condone it, we simply get why it happened. Understanding is not the same as condoning and to conflate the two shows a lack of comprehension.
@@lainiwakura1776 'empathising' & 'understanding' why someone killed their disabled relative is equally as immoral as condoning it. You do not 'understand' why someone killed their disabled relative because there is nothing to understand there! We are not burdens, or lesser for being disabled, & our deaths should spark as much outrage as the death of abled people. Save you 'empathy' for when abuse victims kill their abusers, not when the abusers kill their victims
We have to try and understand why things like this happen, even if the reasons don't make sense to us, because that's the only way to prevent this from happening again. Turning a blind eye to that reason doesn't magically absolve anyone of responsibility; it just makes us feel better to blame one person instead of systemic causes.
@@Kiterpuss so your solution is to blame disabled people for simply living and having…… disabilities. shut up you fucking abled, im sick of you people trying to rationalize the abuse we go through just because we’re different. if you “understand” why an able bodied person felt the need to murder their disabled relative, youre just as bad as them point blank
@🍉Shuki-tan Shuika UwU🍉 why the fuck did you censor crime?
i'm a forensic psychology student and typically covering the victim's face is most commonly seen in cases where the perpetrator intimately knew the victim and it can be a sign of subconcious guilt, or hint at someone's discomfort with the way they left the victim, or often suggest some level of fear, disgust or shame at their actions. interestingly enough, the covering of the face is seen in many, *many* murders done by female killers who knew their victims.
That’s interesting
How are your forensic psychology courses going? I'm kinda interested in studying similar stuff! ☺️👏
Also, that's very interesting 🤔
I wonder why female killers specifically, that is interesting
She mentioned this in the video though
i knew this from criminal minds lmfao
not seeing red flags on someone's social media seems exactly normal. when did we start thinking that someone's tik tok should be seen as a comprehensive look at who someone is and expect to see hints of terrible acts they're capable of, it is their curated version of themselves presented to the world.
Imo, you can only "act" a certain way as an image before you start becoming it. Kinda like how david bowie said about his role as ziggy. He felt like he wasn't himself anymore, but ziggy. He had to take a step back and create another persona or present his character differently so he didn't just become someone else.
@@breannathompson9094 depends how often someone is posting on their social media accounts I suppose, and what the content is.
hindsight is 20/20
As someone who's disabled, and also a counselor and advocate, what we need are greater family supports for families with disabled kids. Both parentification and emotional neglect (perceived or real) are frequently products of necessity. Someone who's disabled requires more time, simply due to medical appointments, treatments, extra care with activities of daily living, etc. If we, as a society, had more resources to help offset that pressure from parents, then those parents would be able to split attention more. Also, the fact that she was 14 is hugely significant. While I'm certain she has the capacity to understand death is permeant, at 14, we struggle with impulsivity, extreme emotional shifts, and impaired distress tolerance. I wouldn't be surprised to learn she snapped, realized oh shit, and immediately was filled with regret. The pillow and trying to clean the blood off were possibly trying to "undo" what had been done. I cannot imagine how horrible this would be to handle as a family, and I hope they are all able to get the help they certainly need.
Oh my gosh your comment almost made me cry and I have no clue why. It was just really well written and resonated. Thank you for sharing this.
@@HannahTheHorrible Wow. Imagine defending a cold-blooded murderer. There are millions of people with s*itty parents who don't pay them attention. Killing so who is helpless is literally the trait of a psychopath. And this manifests around the age of 15. Just like in her case. Also, if you really felt for the victims, you wouldn't promote some game where you resolve "murder mysteries" in a video about a f*cking murder case. Tone-deaf.
This.
For context, I grew up homeschooled. I almost lost my mom in a car accident when I was 13 and she was left with a minor TBI, but the injury affect us all. I still feel that even after 10 years that I was affect a lot as a kid because I would be left alone in the house with her during the morning and afternoon and I would have to balance out both doing my schoolwork and making sure my mom was alright. There's a reason why I was very depressed at that point in my life and I would not wish it on anyone else. I felt alone, more than ever at that time.
@@jbrubin8274 Thank you so much! I'm glad you and your neighbor were able to find and create that support, it really can make a huge difference.
Being a caregiver is harder than anyone realizes.
As someone who is disabled, I really appreciate the light you shed on this issue. The other thing that cuts deep is when people say "Oh only the elderly and disabled are at risk" and we hear "don't worry, it doesn't matter if it kills people like YOU." ableism is so deeply engrained in society and people just refuse to see it.
as a disabled teenager, I have never heard anyone say that about the disabled.
@@gorefairy1190 maybe not directly. its always never used in those words. it’s hard to notice when people imply those things because it’s something that we hear as “normal”.
@@gorefairy1190 w regards to infectious diseases etc, historically that is exactly how disabled and elderly ppl are treated. It’s unfortunate but on the other hand, it’s fortunate that you haven’t experienced it personally!
@@gorefairy1190 You must not have heard what many "public health experts" have been saying about COVID recently, including the fucking CDC director. It's disgusting.
@@gorefairy1190 Have you not been listening to anything involving Covid and anti masking? Because that’s all people are saying “well it won’t affect me, it only hurts old and disabled people”
there's also a chance that Claire had consistently heard her parents say stuff like "not now, I need to tend to your sister," or "your sister needs XYZ first," and that kind of speech can lead a child to resent the sibling because they start to view them as the one barrier between them and the parental affection they may be lacking. it's so shitty.
I once yelled at someone on the phone for wanting me to place something minor they needed for my special needs kid over something incredibly important my eldest needed from me when I asked to call them back. Then I called back and spoke to the supervisor.
As someone with Special Needs. My sister understood. She and I never got along (We do now.) but I am thankful she didn't try anything (Could be that she did want a sister.)
I used to be like that when my little brother got diagnosed with type 1 diabetes. I’ve grown out of it though but he needed the extra care due to him being really young when he was diagnosed and I was younger too and… you know… childish resentment or other. But I’ve never thought of seriously harming my family.
The reality is that the disabled child will need more care. It just kinda is what it is. Many people, who complain about that kind of thing, don’t really understand how hard of a situation it is and how it affects the whole family. However, I think it’d be good if the parents could try to explain to the other child the reality of what is going on, so hopefully they understand more and don’t see it as though they are loved any less.
that doesnt make it justified or even UNTRUE
with someone with a form of cerebral palsy(worster drought syndrome if anyone is curious) AND the oldest out of my siblings, this actually scares me. Rest in peace hellen
What is "worster"?
@@vixia7319 just part of the name, the condition is called "worster-drought syndrome"
What does it feel like, do you talk the way the people with cerebral palsy in sbsk? Is it any different from Helen's case and so and so? I am so curious to know what it feels like to be disabled
The justification of murder of disabled people in cases like this makes me feel so unsafe and worthless as someone disabled - thank you for bringing that up Hannah
No one is justifying anything, understanding why is not the same as condoning.
@@lainiwakura1776 the reason why disabled people are murdered by our abled caregivers is bc of their sick n twisted “justifications”
@@lainiwakura1776 there is nothing to understand. Disabled people do not deserve death just because we're disabled
@@lainiwakura1776 Did you not watch the video?
@@pgakt did you?
Hannah, thank you for emphasizing Helen's humanity and pushing back at those who would value her life less because she was disabled. Your empathy shines through in your videos, and sets you apart from a lot of other true crime/horror producers here.
My brother had cerebral palsy (he didn’t get “cured” or anything he just passed away) and as someone who is also disabled I really hate how we are seen as disposable because of our disabilities, as if we are anything less than fellow human beings. People care a lot less about us when we are murdered cause they don’t see us as someone’s child, a sibling, a friend or anything of the sort. It’s sick to me that there’s barely any information about who she was other than the fact that she is disabled.
i’m so sorry for your loss 💔 i hope you’re doing alright. your comment really resonated with me, as someone with both invisible and visible disabilities. at the end of the day, we are *still* regular, “normal” people with complex emotions like everyone else. seems like that’s often forgotten :/
i think its strange people deem her as a tiktokker when really she was just a normal 14 year old and thats why this is such a tragic and insane case to think about. claire, by all means, seemed so
“normal” ; i definitely see myself in her through her social media posts and interests in anime and music. id love to see claire get the actual help she obviously needs because nobody with a sane mind would do this and i really hope hellen’s legacy lives on and is spread. i also hope this case brings light to mental health issues like this case in teenagers. its horrifying to think someone so young could do something so ill spirited and evil. i pray for hellen’s family, and i even pray for claire. i hope her life turns around and she puts a lot of effort into sharing her sister’s name. hellen deserved NONE of this.
I think it's because literally the most recent crimes have been committed by tiktokers so now tiktoker and crime are synonymous.
@@TuberoseKisser
The thing is, there’s millions of people on TikTok around the world. There’s a lot of murders down by people who have posted vids on RUclips, but most of them aren’t called “RUclipsr killers”.
At some point, we have to stop calling these people “tiktokers” because that’s most people, there’s moms and grandmas on tiktok
Normal? The girl was an entitled little narcissist. A good portion of the Gen Zs I’ve met are just like her too, in my experience. Like, a scary amount.
I know, it's weird. Almost everyone on the planet is on social media so why is Tik Tok (billions of people are on Tik Tok) seen as some rare thing that needs to be mentioned in every headline. Like that was THE thing about her and so CrAzY aNd DiFfErEnT! Except for a small handful, practically every killer of the past 20 years has had a social media presence so its just....weird when it's talked about like it isn't just a normal thing that everyone has.
@@TuberoseKisser Tons of crimes are committed by people who post every day on Facebook but we don't call them Facebookers. " The most recent crimes have been committed by tiktokers" Um what? Crimes are committed every day, murders are pretty common. That doesn't make sense. I get that there have been a couple of high profile murder cases related to people who happened to use tiktok but that isn't the same statement.
Looking at her content, Claire seems to me like a teenager with either untreated psychological problems or imagined psychological problems from being exposed to certain communities on social media. I know what teenagers in the anime community can be like for example. And no I'm not blaming anime here, I just know her type because I kind of been there at her age (didn't actually hurt anyone, though. But I know how the urges feel like). I imagine she probably had an outburst and saw her sister as an easy target because of her disability, in addition to other motives, which is just heartbreaking. Probably had a wakeup call in the middle of it.
Very sad for Helen and it's so unfair how little is remembered about her other than her disability. Disabled people deserve better.
I totally agree with you. those anime communities romanticize psychopathy and mental illness too much. it’s actually very worrying to know the influence and popularity it has among this generation.
Im gonna go on a limb and say """imagined psychological problems""" would be in-of-itself a psychological problem, you cant just _make up_ having mania or psychosis, and then display the symptoms of mania or psychosis in the process, up and to MURDER. (please excuse the reductive language) if a little girl pretends to be crazy so hard she legitimately goes crazy thats just being crazy.
@user-dx4oo1ql5x I'd also like to point our the kinds of harrassment that kids who are "different" face. Cause I was relentlessly bullied for liking anime and it did contribute to some pretty severe anger issues (CLEARLY NOT THIS BAD)
I do think jealousy, possible parentification, stress and rage surrounding that makes sense as a motive. Of course a motive is never a justification. Like how people will kill family with the motive of collecting health insurance money. It’s unfathomable but has a thin thread of cold hearted logic
And I think because she’s young and immature those feelings of jealousy and rage would feel so much more big and uncontrollable that led her to make that awful decision
@@createdtogaze You're correct. Especially because she is still in the beginning phase of teenagehood, her brain has quite literally shifted drastically. This can highly impact her ability to rationalize any emotion -- and if she's mentally ill, that already doubled inability would be tripled. God, being a parent sounds so difficult, and I really hope those parents are able to receive intensive help.
The age gap really makes me wonder if there was pressure for her to take over her sister’s care one day. Not saying that’s the case OR that that is any excuse. But it does give My Sister’s Keeper vibes.
*nor
@@BunniBeshara there is something called called edit
@@bbldrizzyk if she edits the comment the heart she received will be gone, that’s why she corrected herself in a reply
@@AmnieKa since when is that a thing?
I've been raised with that motion and it has driven me to dark mental times during my teens. I think that's exactly what drove Claire. She didn't want to take care of her. Only to regret it
19:00 i agree with you, but not for the same reason. i’ve always thought that her motive was her being jealous of the attention her sister got from her parents & probably thought that she would get that attention if she got rid of her sister. the only part that throws me off is that helen was older than claire so claire wouldn’t have experienced a loss of attention after helen’s birth.
and to clarify: she can’t get life without parole or the death penalty since she’s under 18, even if she is tried as an adult.
Dang I was hoping she would get the chair not like she is innocent she stabbed her sister at least 15 or 20 times like if she had any remorse or anything you think she would stop after one or two no even with her sister beging and pleading stop help why are you doing this and she just kept stabbing she needs life at least he'll the old days they would hang you for stealing now you can be a serial killer and just sit in a cell till you get out on good behavior shits fucked
Ohhh right that’s a good point thank you for pointing that out!
It might not be loss of attention, but feeling like she never had any attention
As a younger sibling whose older sibling was always prioritized (nothing to do with dissability in this case), being neglected in favor of your sibling is something hard to deal with and has nothing to do with who was born first. It also creates more of a competitive relationship with a sibling vs a loving one. Granted, she also obviously had a lot of psycological problems regardless.
Good point! There also doesn't seem to be much known about the amount of care Helen required, so its odd that people are assuming parentification was definitely a motive.
6:26
We need to stop spreading the myth that you can use social media only in your right mind. Social media is just a form of communication, for a lot of people its the same as just talking. I myself as a person with serious mental illness, that, among other things, can make me violent, often use social media both before psychotic attack and while i'm in a state of one. not saying that the murderer herself was ill (most murderers are mentally stable), but its a harmful myth non the less and is often used for ableism, victimblaming and gaslighting.
I can speak from personal experience that I have utilized social media in full blown psychosis, lol.
don’t forget the part where you delete all traces of psychosis from the internet afterwards and pretend it never happened or is that just me?
I agree with what you stated, but there is something you said that is factually incorrect. Most murderers have extreme mental illnesses that are not diagnosed nor detected until it's too late. Therefore, most murderers are NOT mentally stable. But yes, social media is just communication. However, in this girl's case, her extreme use of it does have many, many telling signs of mental illness.
@@DeaDiabola i once overdosed like an idiot when i still used xans and took pictures while fading in and out of conciousness and even tried to looke up "how to know if you overdosed on benzos"
really makes me upset as a disabled person once again seeing another disabled person die by the hands of an abled family member
The upset is valid. I know as an abled person I do not understand it but I do know our society treats disabled people like sh*t.
@@HannahTheHorrible I would like to point out some comments you’ve given a “heart” to are comments trying to justify or “”explain”” Claire’s murder. The disabled community doesn’t need you promoting that. Helen is a victim.
@@asmrtpop2676 which comments?? ive just read through a ton of the hearted comments and none of them are rlly defending claire from what i could tell /genq/nm
@@asmrtpop2676which ones? the only ones i’ve rlly been seeing is the ones where the ppl are talking about the pyschology behind it.
I’d agree it’s very sad
I wonder why Tiktok deleted her account when they've left jinnkid's account? He murdered his estranged wife. Feels very gross that hers was deleted and his was left up (to be clear: I think both accounts need to be gone).
When i was 15, I was placed in charge of taking care of my autistic sibling after my parents split. There was no one else to take care of him, so i had to take care of his schooling, paperwork, diaper changes, grooming, everything. The situation took so much away from my adolescence and early adulthood and still, I couldn't imagine hurting him. Hell, the situation took so much away from his adolescence, too, there was no way I could ignore him and let him fall through the cracks. We've both grown so much now and he's a friendly young man.
As someone with recurring depression, I think that having homicidal thoughts seems like the scariest. Its not common but it is a thing
I'm a college student that when not on campus I live with my mother and my older sister that has Down Syndrome and is showing signs of early onset dementia. I understand that being put into a caretaking role as a child is difficult and frustrating at times, for sure. I often stayed home to take care of my sister when my mom worked. I'm also very defensive of her and will not hesitate to scare off the edgy teens and rude old ladies when they start making ableist remarks towards her. As others have stated, teenagers and young adults have a prefrontal cortex that is still developing. The prefrontal cortex is responsible for things like decision making, impulse control, and critical thinking. So while I think what Claire did to Helen is beyond deplorable, I also think that she shouldn't be given the death penalty. I'm already completely for rehabilitation over incarceration, but especially so for a child. Incarceration doesn't do anything beneficial, especially in the US where recidivism rates are so high due to the way our country treats criminals.
i saw this whole thing going down so im very interested to see you summarize it!! its definetly been dramatized to the point where i dont think people really understand the horror of what happened anymore, and i always appreciate how seriously you take these things
i know its a controversial point to bring up her interests in horror & dark anime but.. speaking from personal experience it can really warp your view of things when youre younger and i feel like thats entirely possible here. i think it might have just fueled someone who was already very apathetic and destructive to so often see these things in their "fake" form. its very hard to truly understand the finality of death but i hope one day she learns
As the disabled sibling I always feel guilty when my younger sister is compared to me
She gets the “why can’t you be like him?” Speech when I can’t do the things that she’s able to do, and she’s unable to do like me
So I definitely understand the pressure from parents section, whether that was the reason or not
To the ppl excusing her murdering her sister because of 'age' and 'impulsivity', I had severe anger, PTSD, depression and BPD at 14 (wasn't officially diagnosed with the BPD until 18) and I was FULL OF RAGE, but I NEVER murdered anyone. I never thought about it. It's not an excuse. That girl has zero empathy and doesn't deserve to have excuses made for her.
literally same with me
You probably did think about it though
Update, she plead guilty and got 12.5 - 40 years.
I'm disabled, so its not surprising that there's not much information about Helen out there. Usually people look at us as though we are our disability, and that's all we are. It's not often that we are treated as people. I appreciate you doing everything you could to look for more info about Helen, and also pointing out how hard it is to find info. I appreciate you❤️
As a sibling of a person who is disabled, I can easily say that I was groomed for parenthood over my sibling. My childhood was watching my disabled sibling and in home daycare kids getting more love and attention than I did. I rarely went to the doctors and once I got to go only after the school threatened to keep me out of school if I didn't go see someone. Reasons for not going? My sibling and the daycare. For my 24th birthday and to this day, I have found out so many things about my health that now my health summary is about 1 1/2 pages long. I even have the same disability as my disabled sibling though not as severe as theirs. I am an adult now and though I couldn't hurt him, I hurt everyday because of my childhood. I struggle doing simple things because of my childhood. It isn't my siblings or the daycares fault. I struggle daily to tell myself that it isn't mine either.
You should do a video on snow the salt queen, she's another tik toker that's murdered someone but you don't hear about the case too often. It's quite a wild story all around
Oh dang I’ll look it up thanks for letting me know
I am a disabled person who survived a filicide attempt so I really appreciate your commentary. It sucks how often the humanity of disabled people is denied to provoke sympathy for the perpetrator. But I also appreciate your nuance on the topic because 14 is very young.
The thing about claiming insanity is that it's very, very hard. It almost never works,. You get interviewed by multiple psychologists, multiple times. It is a whole process you have to go through. Even if you manage to somehow fool everyone, it's not the easy cruising people think it is. A lot of times psychiatric hospitals are worse than prison. Not to mention you can be sent there with no real sentence. Meaning they keep you there until they deem you sane. So what would be a few years in prison can end up being more than a decade in a hospital.
The fact people find these incidents funny really says a lot and it's horrifying. A real person has lost their life and there are people in those in the TikTok comments who think it's hilarious. I just don't understand it. Dark humour is also not an excuse here.
It's probably the overexposure to violent crimes in the media. After you see so much carnage all the time, you get desensitised to it to the point where crimes like this don't even feel real anymore.
EDIT: Not trying to excuse people making light of this situation, just trying to provide a possible explanation.
I can say from experience, TikTok commenters don’t care about anything. If it’s not relatable to them, they simply do not give two craps. And they will resort to “Dark humor” for shock value and attention.
Dark humor *can* be funny. But, not this. This isn’t funny. It’s just sick.
exactly my thought. it’s one of the things I hate the most about this generation.
Dark humor is joking about a siblings/family death to overcome the feelings of loss.
As someone with a dark sense of humor, I find it disgusting that people use it as an excuse to laugh at real tragedies. There's a difference between going "haha what if I died just now" and making fun of a deceased child.
I appreciate your commentary so much. You shed light on the epidemic of disabled people being murdered but also showed compassion for the children in the case and it's just really refreshing
“The Murd3r”
Oh Boy, gotta love YT “No-No” Word Lists, yet music videos on here can use any vocabulary
Beside that, Big Up’s Hannah on the video
I KNOW RIGHT, my life lol
This is going to sound really grim, because it is, but if the younger sister were experiencing particularly severe self-destructive thoughts… there's a certain kind of person who, when they're in that place, comes to believe that it would be for the best if they took the person or people they care about most with them. I wouldn't be surprised if this were her intention, only for her to realise what she had done and was going to do and turn herself in. None of this is mutually exclusive with jealousy or feeling burdened; these things are rarely simple and straightforward. Regardless, this is, more than anything, just a horribly sad case.
14 year olds definitely know murder is wrong and the consequences of it. I remember being 13 and hearing adults say ‘but she was only x year old’ & being frustrated, bc if I knew better & i was younger, so did they. That being said, I do agree she should be tried as a minor
@Marta Wroblewska just because someone knows what something is doesn’t mean they fully understand the depth of it. If she really was having some sort of breakdown you’re definitely not going to be thinking rationally. Especially if it’s to the point of going to hurt someone, let alone murder. Someone has to be completely disconnected from themselves to do something like that, shit I sure feel guilty after just yelling at someone, after a while. In the moment of deep emotion you often don’t think, that would probably be even worse when underdeveloped. She definitely deserves a great punishment but life in prison/death penalty? Surely not. If she is capable for rehabilitation and to understand what she did to the full extent then rehabilitate her. Not every kid a certain age is going to think the same 💁♀️
@Marta Wroblewska that’s why I mentioned rehabilitation, that can be in a mental hospital or whatever services they have available to her. If she isn’t just thrown into prison then I’m sure there could be some way of her leading a normal life farrrr down. My point being she’s still a child, everyone is different and if there is something wrong mentally then she could have not realized the weight of her actions in the moment 💁♀️ teenagers brains aren’t fully developed, especially in the frontal lobe which is responsible for impulse control. Not to mention if she was having a breakdown her amygdala (controls emotional responses) would be acting super wonky. And as I’ve said before, not every kid is going to think the same, yes it’s easy to say everyone has a common basis of what’s right and wrong but not everyone has the basis of responsibility towards their actions.
@Marwrob
You don’t understand child psychology at all.
@@maraw4402don’t try and speak abt smthn you have no idea abt 💀
@Maraw Please do not speak of developmental psychology as if you were stating facts, when you are highly misinformed and stating opinions, instead. I already replied to a comment similar to this, so I'll just paste the rest here, since it does very much apply.
When it comes to trialing her as an adult or as a juvenile: *it's not truly a matter of her knowledge.* Whilst kids can definitely objectively understand something as death/murder -- there is an extreme lack of emotional & impulsive control in children, *especially* during the transition to being a teen, as the brain's grey matter changes drastically during this time.
*A 14 year old's brain is around 70-75% developed,* meaning that to trial them as a human being who has their brain 100% developed and providing her with a penalty that many adults who have committed worse crimes never received -- is a bit inapt.
Not only that, but since children are still highly developing, putting her in juvenile with the psychiatric & psychological resources she needs, will help prevent her mental state from worsening. Whilst if she's trialed as an adult, there is a chance she won't even get a life sentence or spend her life in jail; which means that due to the lack of psychiatric resources she'll receive in adult trial, the chances of her crimes proceeding or worsening will be higher if she's released than if she were to be in juvenile jail (aka the recipe for a serial killer). Juvenile jail is the safer choice here.
This story breaks my heart so much, my older sister is surprisingly similar to the deceased sister, she has CP, albeit not severe, she’s an artist and a writer and her teachers described her exactly as “Bringing joy and light to every room”
while i don't think claire should get the death penalty, i'm kinda sick of people acting like a 14 year old doesn't know EXACTLY what she is doing in this case
Exactly! They keep saying "Oh she was a young child" and yes, she was a minor, but hardly a young child. A young child is like 10 and younger, she was 14 and should've had the maturity to know it's wrong to murder her sister unless of course she was mentally ill which is no excuse, but then I say mental hospital instead
Right? A "child" or not, murder is murder. They deserve to be on trail all the same. It makes me sick to my stomach just hearing her say she thinks it should be moved to juvenile court because "she's just a child 🥺🥺🥺"
When it comes to trialing her as an adult or as a juvenile: it's not truly a matter of her knowledge. Whilst kids can definitely objectively understand something as death/murder -- there is an extreme lack of emotional & impulsive control in children, *especially* during the transition to being a teen, as the brain's grey matter changes drastically during this time.
A 14 year old's brain is around 70-75% developed, meaning that to trial them as a human being who has their brain 100% developed and providing her with a penalty that many adults who have committed worse crimes never received -- is a bit inapt.
Not only that, but since children are still highly developing, putting her in juvenile with the psychiatric & psychological resources she needs, will help prevent her mental state from worsening. Whilst if she's trialed as an adult, there is a chance she won't even get a life sentence or spend her life in jail; which means that due to the lack of psychiatric resources she'll receive in adult trial, the chances of her crimes proceeding or worsening will be higher if she's released than if she were to be in juvenile jail (aka the recipe for a serial killer). Juvenile jail is the safer choice here.
i agree, she also obsessed over all those edgy animes, she definitely knew better. those tiktoks were so cringey
Helen looks so beautiful and happy in the pictures/screenshots that were shown of her to the point it makes me feel even worse… which I thought was a hard thing to achieve with this whole situation at all.
I live with a decent handful of temporary and permanent disabilities. Growing up, even before my biggest disability was noticed enough for a diagnosis, my family knew something was …off. I was very behind my peers in basic things like learning how to walk and talk. My parents very quickly did their best, of course, but it always made my big sister need to care for herself more often than not; I was allowed to interrupt her, I took priority on regular days on what I wanted to eat, etc. When my most noticeable disability was finally diagnosed, it didn’t make things better. My parents had it easier, as they were finally given the help they deserved all this time, but my sister was pushed even more on the back burner, and I lost who I was as a person. My entire life felt like a lie, to the point I felt I had been lying to all my friends, too. It wasn’t long after this that my parents realized what happened. How my sis was always the one who spoke the least at the table, how she would mostly just go with what I wanted. We gave her the center stage, and things seem to be looking up. She’s one of the lights of my life I haven’t lost yet, and I planned to never lose her… but I can’t help but feel a burden to *her* as she has always said she knew full well that when I moved out home I was most likely going to live with her. That her specific degree was to help families like ours, and even after she assured me that it wasn’t because of my disability, that this just made her more determined to take this route, I still felt like a burden to her. I still *feel* like a burden to her. It doesn’t matter that I, along with countless other disabled folk, don’t need an aide. Or that I can be left without supervision or need less doctors appointments or have some amazing good days; at the end of the day, if I lost my parents, I wouldn’t know which way is up. I don’t *look* like I’m disabled, but you’d know as soon as I opened my mouth that something was wrong… but that doesn’t mean a single bloody thing. I’m still a human being. *Helen is still a human being too* . I can’t wait for Helen to be given justice, just like everyone else, but I agree with you; Claire still needs help. Clair doesn’t know which way is up, either, even if she’s considered to be their abled daughter.
I was born with Juvenile Rheumatoid Arthritis and I am a rare case of an adult who not only didn't grow out of it, I am full on bedridden, and have to use a wheelchair if I am able to go out as I can't stand for more than 5 minutes without collapsing.
Since I started to decline this badly, my fiance and my son have to pick up a lot of what I can't do. My fiance even wheels me anywhere and everywhere that I have to and even want to go. He tells me not to worry, but I feel like such a burden on both of them all the time. Reading your note to Helen had me tearing up. I don't hear that kind of thing from others all that much. I have amazing friends who tell me not to worry about having to be pushed around, or not being able to hang out, but no one ever comes out and says that I'm not a burden. It's always that I am, but that they don't mind because they love me. Which is also very sweet, don't get me wrong. I just have not had someone tell me that and because of what you were talking about before showing your note to Helen on screen, I felt as though your note to Helen is kind of an open note to everyone who feels as though they are a burden from no fault of their own.
So thank you. Although not intended for me directly, your words really mean a lot.
You’re absolutely right about children’s brains not being developed enough. It was ruled that sentencing a child to life without parole is unconstitutional in 2012 specifically because they aren’t developed enough. This case just sucks all around, so much pain for this family. It’s so disappointing that so little can be found about Hellen.
Fucking... exhausted, by abled people deciding that our (disabled people) lives aren't worth living. I'm tired of ableds deciding that people like me would be better off dead, because being disabled is "such a tragedy."
its like, why do they get to play god and decide if we die because we live differently. its gross and knowing that ill need a walker eventually just makes me feel frightened for my future
@@transdragonite Hey- I actually use a walker myself! I promise it's not as scary as it sounds. I use a cane almost daily, and mobility aids are wonderful. It'll change your life for the better, I promise- you'll feel like a badass wizard if you're anything like me lol
@@siphonophorespiral i fricking hope so!!!! my fatigue has gotten worse and i can barely leave bed without being out of breath or being in pain 😭😭
@@transdragonite Oh hon- don't worry. You've got this! Look into the cripplepunk movement if you haven't already- I think you'd like it! There's all sorts of like... mobility aid customization projects too
@@siphonophorespiral OMG i love cripplepunk, fuck yesss
i very much appreciate how you focus on the victims in your true crime videos, it's sickening how some people and news outlets only talk about the perpetrator and the loss of the victim's life feels almost downplayed in the sensationalism of the crime itself
Ngl i think this is the best video about the situation i've seen! All of the other videos i've watched just brush the whole thing off as "some teenage girl k*lls someone for tiktok clout" and they don't ACTUALLY say anything about what happened. (For god's sake, in one video i saw: the creator went on a tangent about claire's TIKTOK USERNAME BEING PRETENTIOUS EVEN THOUGH THAT ISN'T EVEN IMPORTANT TO THE STORY!!!) But anyways, great video!
People on TikTok’s response makes me so angry and disgusted. And that guy criticizing her username for being pretentious when she’s 14? What was he expecting? Sounds like his video was awful on so many levels
"pretentious" username? it's a reference to an anime lol
I have autism, and due to bullying and traumatic friend groups suffered severe homicidal ideation. I had plans. I got saved and sent to a mental hospital, got a diagnosis, and was saved. Some of us aren't. Ableism is still a huge problem and just hurting yourself isn't the only reaction to bullying.
Definitely. Homicidal & suicidal thoughts are both accompanied by mental illnesses/trauma, and it's important that people don't forget that and are able to receive treatment for both. I'm proud of you for getting through all those thoughts and agony, even if there is still a long way to go. :)
We have so many people who are ‘tiktok’ killers it’s so terrifying. Even more so her being an anime fan- as someone who’s into anime I just- It’s mind boggling
I know right idk why but it's just so creepy
Oh, tiktok it's the wild west now, there are predators, killers, scammers, the whole mess, and the wonderful thing on tiktok it's that cancelations are even more useless there lol, only one or two did get their accounts closed
do you remember any other examples? im curious about it
@@mmisafire there's a kid who killed his neighbor who was popular on TikTok for making 'Karen' videos about the wife of the victim, I can't remember his name though
Yes it's so creepy. I even know the name of her account comes from Mob Psycho 100, an anime I really love and would recommend to anyone...
Also, I was able to find the article from March 10, 2023 which states that Claire ultimately entered a plea of guilty but mentally ill, which is not the same as the previously-discussed NGRI. Guilty but mentally ill essentially is a plea that acknowledges mental illness as a primary motivator for a criminal action, but does not attempt to defer responsibility for the crime due to mental illness. It's the legalese/court-speak way of saying, "I was super ill when I did this, but I understood at the time that it was wrong and I cannot tell the court that I didn't understand that, therefore I accept responsibility for the crime as committed." Claire will serve 12.5 to 40 years in prison in State Correctional Institution - Muncy, a women's prison with a Young Adult Offender Unit and multiple mental health programs within its walls. At trial, she answered the judge's questions and assured him that she was of sound mind to enter this plea on her own accord, and while she was declared mentally ill but not mentally disabled, she entered into the record that she has been treated for depression and an unspecified psychotic disorder. The treating physician's summary of her conditions was also officially entered into the court record.
Hell no, at 14 I would've known better than to kill my sister. Murder like an adult, serve jail time like an adult.
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As a person with a disability, this makes me really feel for everyone involved, especially the victim. I was in a work accident and it basically cost me most of the function in my right arm, and because of that, I can’t work, and I have a hard time with a lot of household tasks and I need assistance with a lot of things that most people take for granted. I often feel like a burden and I’m constantly frustrated by trying and failing to be independent. I can’t imagine how Helen must’ve felt, but during this ultimate betrayal, the sting of her own sister doing this to her was probably the last thing that lady ever thought. Absolutely tragic and heartbreaking.
Honestly I can say that normally true crime stories dont effect me. But having a sister with sever case of what Helen had. It hurts alot. Seeing how someone who can't even defend themselves had to go through that
I love my sister and I could NOT fathom how someone could do that to a sweet caring person. Made me cry
It’s seriously so messed up. I honestly can’t understand it either.
As an older sister, and the oldest of 12 cousins, i will never understand how some people will actively try to hurt their siblings. I've literally tried to physically fight grown adults (I'm 5'2 and i was teen when this happened) out of sheer protective instic towards my siblings. No matter what happens, if I'm mad or upset at them, it's overshadowed by the unconditional love i feel for them. It disgusts me and terrifies me to think there's people in the world that will do something like what Claire did.
Rest in peace Helen Miller
Kind of a weird question, but have you always had that unconditional love for them? Or was it more something that developed over time?
@@salemcrow5078 it's kind of always been like that for me(? Ofc we fight from time to time. Still it's normal if you don't feel like that, all families are different and there isn't a RIGHT way to feel about people
Same!!!!
you probably haven’t been tasked of caring for a disabled sibling or being pushed to the side so your sibling can be cared for. Not a comparable situation
@@in4doggoss446 so what?
i feel so bad for the parents, they lost not only one child but both :(
This girl was my mutual. I remember people commenting under my TikTok telling me to unfollow, and I was so shocked that I had even interacted with this horrible person. Crazy.
Thats actually insane.
I kinda don't agree when you say "she's 14 she don't really know what shes doing." , umm, take the two little boys they kidnapped and murdered the two year old little boy James Bulger ....
i think its very nearly impossible for younger people to truly understand life and death. there was one man who killed his younger neighbor when he was only 14, and he recently spoke about not being able to truly comprehend what he had done. im sure there are exceptions to the rule like with all things but i believe bc of the kind of media she was engaged with, it warped her view of things
I agree I know teens shouldn't be expected to have the same maturity as adults and let's be honest not all adults are mature but I think using the excuse that she's a teenager and doesn't know any better isn't a good one teens aren't that stupid most teens even young kids understand that murder is bad.
The video didn't claim she didn't know what she was doing, but that her brain is not fully developed and she physically cannot process things the same way an adult can, and as such needs the kind of counseling that a juvenile facility would give. I would say the samething about the boys who killed James Bulger
Love this discussion you guys, thanks for keeping it constructive! @sparkling rose senshi gaming I understand where you’re coming from. I too go back and forth on it
@@maxwellstefan8868 nailed it.
We were mutuals on tiktok and I never heard anything else about what she did after her account got deleted.
Just based on that tiktok she posted, i think it does have something to do with the crime. Her father was making fun of her room by calling it a japanese gay bar, because anime boys are typically "gay looking" to judgemental people. This isn't justifying her actions, but it definitely shows how her anger could have already been kickstarted that morning.
@18:53 "she's 14 effing years old" so? Doesnt mean she gets a lighter sentence in my book. Kids at that age always do mischievous or non legal stuff but it's rare that they claim the life of someone. Also alot of them are aware they get lesser punishment because of their age.
My baby brother has cerebral palsy and i cannot imagine someone taking advantage of his immobility to end him. It's so awful and disgusting.
My friend literally lives in their neighborhood and I just asked if she’s heard of it - she has - then asked if she ever heard anything about Helen as a person in regards to coverage on this case and she hasn’t. Thank you for mentioning this. I hate that disabilities are used as character traits
I honestly have so many thoughts and reactions to this tragic news, but a big one that I can pinpoint is pure disappointment/disgust, from the media making things worse, to the unjust laws, and most importantly, in the systemic issue in how society views and treats those with disabilities. I think that if, perhaps, society didn't look down on those with disabilities, and the stigma around mental illness and counseling etc. were gone, such tragic events such as this could be prevented
Rest In Peace Helen Miller 🕊
Just found a new crime channel to watch. Your content is awesome. I love how you talked about Hellen and brought her as a person to light.
This was really depressing, seeing how the killer might not have been in the best of the state and to act upon her disabled sister, and I only hope that they might have been good friends, but the betrayal would've been hard on Helen. Rest well.
I've seen a few ads for hunt a killer, but yours, showing you chilling in comfies, no makeup, a blanket, and a cup of tea in a dinky teacup and saucer appealed to me so much! It looks like the perfect way to spend an evening of 'me' time, that's the way I want to do it 🤗💛
....even though I'd need the easy peasy version if I'm just relying on myself lol.
I had a disabled sister,she was 10 years older than me.
She passed away in June of 2019, I could not imagine hurting her.
I appreciate how you spread the awareness.
Hannah your comtent is amazing! I really love this style of videos and your recent content is so interesting!
This is the second time someone on tiktok has KILLED someone. Why did it happen more than once
Checks out in my opinion
I think it's more than the second time
there are millions of people on tiktok, it's not surprising at all.
I am the older sibling of someone with a disability and sometimes I also felt jealous and forgotten by my parents because my brother needed the attention. Even though I understand those feelings of Clare had those, it doesn’t justify what she did in the slightest.
I’m always disgusted with people who make excuses for or sympathies with someone who killed a disabled person. Those people could fuck off for all I care.
I saw this on my recommended and I was curious about this but I like your channel it's very interesting.
yeah she was 14 but her sister was 19 and never will be able to live life. she needs to be tried as an adult. she took one’s life and needs to be held accountable no matter how old if you take someone’s life especially that brutally you should be tried as an adult
exactly.
I honestly struggle so much with juveniles being tried as adults. On one hand, it takes a lot for a child to calculate and plan a murder which leads me to believe that they probably aren’t as “childlike” as we thought, but on the other hand, the mind of a child isn’t fully developed… idk…. I don’t think she should go away forever, but definitely a decade or so in prison.
Look at it this way, would you feel the same if it was a rape case? Let's say a 19-year-old raped a 19-year-old and got 20 years (wishful thinking). Now, let's also say there's a 14-year-old who did the very same to a girl his age as well, and was given the same amount of time. Would you say the 14-year-old deserved less time for the exact same crime? Personally, I wouldn't. Both knew better and chose to commit such acts either way. I understand how people first bring up how 14-year-olds aren't even completely developed mentally yet, and how it should be taken into account. Okay, well neither are 18-year-olds who are tried as adults every day. And who just like 14-year-olds, most definitely know that crimes like rape (and murder in this case) are disgusting and serious crimes that come with real life consequences that are just as serious. Should they receive mental help, absolutely. But it should be in a prison setting, not a juvenile. Juvi is a place where kids who were caught fighting or who skipped school to many times are sent, not someone who committed murder. Hypothetically speaking, let's say your teen was sent to juvi for truancy. Would you feel comfortable if your teen had to share a cell with Claire, a known murderer? Imagine not being able to do a thing about it. How would your teen feel? Just some things to consider.
While I understand your thoughts on why Hannah doesn’t deserve to be tried as an adult, I don’t think that the benefits of rehabilitation and the like should be the only reason to pull the reins of this. She MURDERED a disabled person, her own family. Whatever she had going on in her life - I’m WELL past done giving people a pass for their misdeeds.
A 14 year old is old enough to know murder is wrong, and old enough to know if they are seriously feeling homicidal or suicidal, to get help. Hell, I knew both of these things when I was eight.
There is NEVER an excuse, mitigating factors, maybe, but ultimately, I’m tired of our entire society being so entitled as to say someone who knew EXACTLY what they were doing, maybe even acting erratically and KNOWING they’re doing so, should be sentenced in a lesser court seems to me the ultimate failure to the victims. That being said, I hope Hannah’s able to get rehabilitated, still, while still facing a length (though not indefinite) sentence
24:36 I wasn’t ready for that. I’ve been having a really hard time lately and this just made me sob. I’m really glad Hannah included that.
Excellent video as always! I’m very excited for the next Do not research iceberg video.
it's coming!
I've decided to binge the heck out of your channel today after finding your do not research iceberg series. I totally love your content, the way you tell stories and weave intricate imagery of each subject is fascinating. I also really love your hair, it's so pretty!
I dunno.. I'm 17 at the moment but I knew not to murder people at the age of like, 5. And it kinda goes without saying. So her being only 3 years younger than me, she definitely should know by now how serious that is. I personally think her getting charged as an adult is completely reasonable. My little brother is 10 and he was disgusted by this, completely understanding how psychotic she is.
I think it’s possible she both knew what she was doing but could not, because of her maturity and development, think of the consequences. She was angry or possibly has a mental illness and wanted to carry out the worst thing there is, murder, but was so in the moment that she didn’t realize Helen wouldn’t be here anymore and what this would actually do to her family. I hope Helen is resting now.
I completely agree. I’m 15 and I think it’s pretty strange that people my age are considered ‘too young to know better’. The brain of a young teenager is definitely a lot different to an adult but by that age, most people would know that murder is bad and there are consequences for your actions.
God... I live near here, and honestly it's just so horrible how this whole thing happened. Unfortunately, central Pennsylvania doesn't have a lot of good resources for kids and teenagers with mental health problems, so even if she was dealing with something prior to her taking her sister's life, they might not have given her family the resources to prevent this situation. It all really sucks. Rest in peace, Helen.
I do not feel sympathy for Claire at all. She does deserve to be tried for this case, but I can understand where a few of the motives came from. I love my sister. She's Diabetic, and gets a lot of attention from my parents and is always more free than me. And she's younger than me. I am currently medicated for a few different things, such as depr3ssion, ADHD, and Insomnia. And yet I get a whole sh*t less of attention than her. But would I murd3r her out of jealousy? Absolutely not!
i hardly think posting on social media could even theoretically be seen as an indicator of someone being in a "right enough state of mind"
My grandmother had a major stroke when I was 19. I took care of her from the age of 19 up until the age of 32. There were a lot of times i felt overwhelmed and wanted to pull my hair out. Now I know I was a little bit older than Claire when I took on a caretaker role but I just couldn't picture doing that to someone I love. Even if she wasn't a caretaker, it makes me sad thinking about Helen in such a defenseless state while that horrible thing is happening to her.
Thank you for putting so much emphasis on the victim! A lot of true crime channels/blogs don’t do that and it sucks
As sad as this story is and while I totally agree what Claire did shout not be forgiven and she should be held accountable, I honestly would not be surprised if it came out during the trial that Claire was born to be a future caretaker for her sister once the parents were too old to safely care for Helen. I’ve heard of stories before of this happening to younger siblings being flat out told their only purpose and only reason they were born was to look after their disabled sibling from Reddit. Part of me really hopes that’s not the case for Claire and that while Helen understandably got more attention that Claire’s parents had her cause they just wanted a second child. I again won’t be surprised to hear if she was born to be the future caretaker of her sister.
Justice for Helen! That video of seeing that dad smile, being goofy to entertain his daughters…. What he doesn’t know yet is what’s terrifying and painful to observe almost like his innocence in this. The family didn’t seem to be aware of the darkness of their own child. I couldn’t imagine how their community looks at them or makes them feel.
Excited to watch this one specifically, since I remember just scrolling on TikTok and seeing her vids to then find out what she did in the comments 🙃 seeing someone so close to age as me do something like this and seeing their post is terrifying.
i can’t stress enough that you are one of the most respectful channels out there when it comes to true crime. anyone can tell that you truly care about the victim in every case. ♥️
Slap a stranger on the bus! Don't even travel on it, just get on there, slap a stranger and get off. Also if you like meth we can smoke some beforehand to make the slapping more entertaining
hannah i love your videos and theyre always very engaging !! have you ever considered adding subtitles to your videos? i have trouble hearing sometimes and it would be pretty nice to have closed captions. i know that they take quite a bit of effort to input though so i would understand why you wouldnt. thanks!
same!! im trying to learn how to do it and ik theres tons of people who know how to so it wouldnt be hard to find someone to help
@@mmisafire unfortunately i think youtube took away community-uploaded captions 😭😭 its awful
I know, I totally agree with you and this is definitely one of the goals. Especially because RUclips often doesn’t turn on the automatic captions it’s so infuriating and I know I have hard of hearing people in my audience. I can’t really afford it right now tbh, but I know a lot of subscribers have offered to do it for free so I’ll try to put this further up on my priority list!
@@HannahTheHorrible Super excited to hear this since my wife and I both have auditory issues and LOVE your stuff. She's hard of hearing and I have processing issues.
yeah usually i rely on the automatic captions and this is the first time one of your videos doesnt have it ☹ youtube sucks
As a person with a disability why would ppl get more triggered if a disabled person is murdered over a non-disabled person? It’s a human life being taken & disabilities don’t add or take away from that.
Yeah i didn’t understand that trigger warning much either, a human is a human disabled or not
i cant talk for any other videos but on this one i can say that its likely because of the fact that it discusses the possibility of murder motivated by hatred/resentment of someone due to their disability
Oh heck yeah a new one...So excited. Also, hunt a killer with some candles, tea, a really soft blanket, and a dog or cat sounds amazing, and I'm lonely, so doing this with my dog would be entertaining!
yes I got really cozy with the game lol
@@HannahTheHorrible Btw, I know it's odd, but you gave me motivation to make videos true crime and such like you. I might post a video soon...
I love how respectfully you covered this topic. It's very refreshing to see. My heart goes out to Helen's family.
The dad seemed like such a fun guy from that video, I feel so bad for the parents imagine going to bed having a fun time and waking up to that
The Supreme Court has ruled that minors cannot receive the death penalty
Thank you for standing up for Helen. Too often I hear excuses, sympathy or justification for people who kill, abuse or violate people with disabilities.
Thank you so much for this video. It means more than anything that you treated this as it is, and not that Claire is nothing but a horrible psychopath. I don’t know anyone in this case personally but as someone who has experience with these types of situations it means a ton. So many people see in black and white and I truly believe that, as unforgivable as her actions were, she needs psychological help, not prison. This video was so well made. Thank you.
I wish Helen could see how much support and love she would have now
as a sibling of a disabled child, i do get it. i’m not excusing what she did but i’m also not going to stand here and act like i didn’t think about it. i was kicked out after having an emotional breakdown from my older (profoundly handicapped) brother biting me and i was severely injured i started to refuse to take care of him after the fact. my mom forced me to take care of him my whole life, go to appointments, get him up and bathe him in the mornings and i was always subject to his brutality and her neglect
Shouldn’t be tried as an adult because she’s 14? Most 14 year olds don’t murder their sister, let alone their disabled sisters. Regardless of age she had the understanding of knowing what consequences her actions had, which is exactly why she should be charged as a adult
You talking about, and refocusing the story on the victim is really great. I can't stand to think about killers who get "famous" for their crimes