EN version of the points made in the video: Ouro Kronii (Beginner): [English Features] Probably the slowest speech among the members of Hololive English. Not just slow but also clear. [Others] Can speak Korean besides English. Knows a little Japanese. Many people find the contrast between her English and Japanese skills amusing. IRyS (Beginner): [English Features] Speaks at a normal pace. Uses minimal slang. [Others] Can speak Japanese besides English. Frequently switches between Japanese and English during streams, making it easy to follow the conversation. YabaiRys. Mori Calliope: [English Features] Talks at a fast pace, but she speaks clearly. Can speak Japanese quite well. [Others] Uses more slang but remains easy to understand. A gentle soul despite being a grim reaper. Some people enjoy her use of "dirty" words, but she's still relatively tame in casual conversations. Ceres Fauna (Beginner): [English Features] Speaks at a slower pace. Sometimes uses challenging vocabulary. [Others] Occasionally shares educational knowledge during casual chats. Many people fall in love with her ASMR content. Takanashi Kiara(Intermediate): [English Features] Talks at a normal to slightly faster pace. Has a faint accent (but not significantly affecting comprehension). [Others] Fluent in German and speaks Japanese fluently as well. She has a separate channel where she speaks in German, but it seems inactive ("deadchannel"). Watson Amelia (Intermediate): [English Features] Occasionally speaks very fast. Otherwise, there are no distinct features, which is recommended in a positive sense. [Others] Highly creative. Has incredibly impressive childhood stories. HIC (hiccups) Hakos Baelz (Intermediate): [English Features] Speaks Australian English (which may be easier to understand than American English once you get used to it). Speaks clearly. [Others] Fluent in Japanese. Her laughter is likened to the sound of a boiling kettle. Gawr Gura (Advanced): [English Features] Frequently speaks fast. Tends to transition quickly to the next sentence without much pause, which may be challenging. [Others] Boasts one of the highest numbers of subscribers among Vtubers. Often sings Japanese songs with an extraordinarily good pronunciation. Ninomae Ina'nis (Advanced): [English Features] Speaks at a slower pace. Pronunciation of consonants is weak, which might make it difficult to understand initially. [Others] Can speak Korean besides English. Has a considerable proficiency in Japanese. TOMORROW Nanashi Mumei (Advanced): [English Features] Considered exceptionally difficult to comprehend. Frequently speaks very fast, and it becomes particularly challenging when her voice gets higher. [Others] Draws highly unique and individualistic art. Occasionally confuses viewers and other members with her eccentric remarks. This is just an english version for those wondering.
Very interesting to see how a Japanese person ranks their difficulty, quite surprised with a few placements here lol. Bae I would personally put as "Advanced", probably swap her with Mumei or Gura. Though that's because I personally struggled severely to understand the thick Australian accent (like Bae's :p) for the longest time, had an Australian friend I played MMO's with a long time ago, eventually picked up on it lol. Actually curious why some might consider American English to be harder than Australian. There's only three US American accents/dialects that I personally consider extraordinarily difficult, two of them southern, the Alabama and Appalachian accents, the third being the Hawaiian dialect lol.
People have confused Mumei and Gura with each other because of their similar voice. So it makes sense you view them fairly equal in terms of difficulty.
I speak English as a second language and this is my latest EN listening difficulty chart: Baby: Kronii, Nerissa Journalist: Calli, Shiori, Fauna(Baby when she's not using so many hard words like all those quantum physics jargons lmao) I’m Too Young to Die: Ame, Ina, Kiara, IRyS Hurt Me Plenty: Bae, Sana, Gura, Bijou Ultra Violence: Fuwamoco, Mumei when :D Nightmare: moom🤬 Ultra Nightmare: Miko
Bijou’s English is very comprehensive without using difficult words. I even doubt that English is not her mother tongue. Fuwawa’s English is indeed another language. That kind of whisper is really hard to be understood. Especially when the twin’s voices merge together.
@@kuroko9124 Bijou's English is perfectly understandable for me most of the time, but she sometimes slurs a bunch of words that I couldn't get right away. Like in the trucking stream when she was asserting dominance over other trucks on the road(timestamp 46:25) she yelled "GET OUTTA THE WAY" but it was so unclear I was like "What? Galway? Where did that come from??" That's why I put her in higher difficulty.
Moom is a pure stream of thoughts. Even as someone online and ESL since a child, if I don't pay attention I wouldn't know what she's talking about before she moves to a totally random sentence. Like, I get the words, but I'd have no clue about the context because she just keep going to random directions. Imagine trying to get context clues from that as a non-fluent ESL JP-niki. That's not even getting to her mumbling her thoughts because it just comes straight from brain to mouth like she's in an actual conversation. Understandable why Ina and Mumei is at top because they mumble a lot.
As a native English speaker, I find it super interesting to see their english difficulty ranked, I've never thought of it before. 外国人なので、この意見はめちゃ面白い。ぜんぜん考えなかった。
I'm trying my best to learn Japanese to understand JP members. I'm glad there are Japanese viewers trying to learn English as well. Both languages are pretty hard for the other side.
Thank you for your comment. Actually, I have considered creating a channel that explains Japanese using Hololive JP clips, but I don't have knowledge of what EN-nikis find challenging when trying to understand their Japanese, so I didn’t make the channel. If you don't mind, please let me know what you find challenging when trying to understand Hololive JP. Is it their fast speaking pace, or something else? I'm not sure if I will actually create that kind of channel, but I’m just curious.
@@hololiveEN-sounds Talking speed can be a big issue. Marine, for example, talks too fast for me to understand even a little bit of her speech, while Watame is easier. A lot of the times it comes to lack of vocabulary, or lack or context in the conversation. Game streams are helpful in trying to comprehend what talents are saying, especially if the game has written dialouge. But for a zatsuzan stream, I have no reference to latch on to. I believe English viewers say Marine is the hardest to understand, since she talks the fastest, as well lots of slang use. Hope that helps!
@@hololiveEN-sounds It's pretty similar to the points that you wrote in this video, but I believe the main factors are speed and vocabulary. The faster speakers obviously make it more difficult to catch the specific words that they're saying, but listen to them long enough and you should be fine (eg. maybe Subaru, speaks relatively fast and slurs words together sometimes but language is otherwise straightforward imo). The more problematic issue is vocabulary, which without context means absolutely nothing to the listener. Wordplay, slang, contractions (at least uncommon ones, unlike なきゃ etc.), accents (eg. Korone's Kansai-ish accent which can be thick sometimes), and simply a broader vocabulary consisting of terms not often used by other streamers (since that's where most listeners listen to jp) all fall under this category.
@@deadzipper1777 I absolutely agree. Talking speed can be a problem when you start listening to them, but after a while you'll get used to it and hear what they say accurately most of the time. The biggest problem for me is the vocabulary, especially the more nuanced and/or obscure ones. I've been listening to Marine for quite a while, and while I can say I'm used to her speed I definitely cannot say the same for her complex vocabulary. Oh, and listening to many people talk at the same time can be quite challenging too. When listening to collab streams (especially the off-collab ones where the sound may not be as clear), I find it quite hard to catch what everyone is saying at the same time. Might be a shame since I find collab streams are the most interesting ones lol
@@syfx1485 I am Japanese but I cannot listen and I can only vaguely understand collaboration stream's talk well. I have a question. Can Native English speakers listen and understand EN members' collaboration stream talk well? If I wrote bad words,I'm Sorry. I can't do English well.
ENの子も好きだからわかるけどとてもよくまとめてくれてますね。カリのスラングはelephant in the roomとかめちゃ覚えてるし、IRySの日本語のおかげで話ついていきやすいし、べーちゃんのブロードアクセントは他の子より聞き取りやすい気がしてるし… 3期でもネリッサちゃんは聞き取りやすいのかなとか思った。他の子もまとめてほしいと思いました〜
I’m a native English speaker, but I want to get better at using simple English with English learners at work. This video is super helpful for me, in the opposite way! Thank you!
My recommendations are: ① Use simpler words instead of slang or jargon, but not skip important words like “a” and “for”. (Calli tried this in her KTaNE stream with Korone, but it ended up harder to understand.) ② Enunciate, since the learners may not be used to the sound changes that come with faster speech - keep consonant “slurring” to a minimum, e.g. enunciate the “-t r-” in “Should I get rid of it?”. ③ Try to make the relationship between sentences clear, by using conjunctions like “and”, “so”, “because”, and “then”. Bonus: In one-on-one conversations, wait between sentences to make sure the listener understands.
I've never noticed this, but I can see why Gura and Mumei may be hard to understand for Japanese viewers. They speak quite fast and sometimes jump form one topic to another. They also tend to have slightly slurred speech. 13:04 Don't worry, nobody understands that part 草
Cali, Irys and Fauna all speak very clear crisp English. Even as a native the difference is clear. But then beyond them, it is very difficult for me to notice the differences. It is interesting to see the perspective of a Japanese speaker.
3 English speakers I'd put in Beginner category among Holo mems is Ollie, Reine & Zeta (when they're not code switching & speaking in English fully) they have neutral accents, normal speech pace, clear annunciations, minimal slang
Speed is a major factor huh? The girls do have *mostly* clean pronunciation and manageable accents. So speed, and the girl mumbling or just speaking stream of thoughts in general makes it harder because JP-niki can't catch all the context yet before they move to the next thought.
12:59 What Mumei said, as transcribed by a native English speaker. Mumei is 早口. Mumei: Playing a game again is cheating? Doing it again is cheating? (incomprehensible mountain of angry, speedy gibberish with the words "speedrunning" and "again" somewhere in there) I'm speedrunning it, right? The point of the speedrun is to memorize everything so it's okay for me to check. I'm not trying to prove that I have a really good memory here, I'm trying to prove that I can do it faster than usual, but I'm not doing it faster than usual, but that's okay 'cause it takes practice and I'm doing it by myself for the first time, so I'm only doing it for the first time.
Here's what I hear in the gibberish section: "(Mumble mumble) I'm trying to learn how to speedrun and I can't learn if I don't know what I'm doing then I can't speedrun it, right?" But I had to listen to it at 0.5x speed.
Gura and Mumei are difficult for beginner because their brain spin faster. Gura is rhythm game master and Mumei type super fast. So they speak in a faster pace plus connected speech that may make it difficult for beginner. But Gura actually pronounce each word very crisp.
They also tend to stumble over certain words, which I can imagine throws off people who have to pay close attention to understand English. I'm an English speaker only, though, so I might be totally wrong and that's not the case.
Mumei is hard to understand even for a native English speaker when she speaks fast and high pitched so don't worry. 笑 Some younger girls talk like that as a joke during moments of excitement or laughter and know you won't understand them. Often times, they aren't actually fully speaking the words. When I was in high school girls did it.
Don't mind me, just getting an understanding on who are hard for foreign listeners to follow along among EN member. Also lowkey practicing reading and learning new words in Japanese lol. Very interesting video! It is very true that it is all about getting used to them and often even native speakers can just get the gist of what the members are saying by listening to context and keywords.
Thanks for the vid, it’s so awesome to see how JP bros this same kind of interest but on EN members. To be honest though, i don’t know why you guys rank Miko so low when she’s the only JP member I can watch because I can understand her Japanese clearly.
It is joke, She speaks like a baby sometimes. and they can not catch what she is saying even their mother tongue is Japanese. Way to her speak Japanese called elite English from JP Bros. They don't think her Japanese as Japanese sometimes.
『ホロライブENで学ぶ英語の音声変化』第0講：ruclips.net/video/yQn0Mih5RTg/видео.html
「ホロEN✖︎英語勉強」をこの切り口で解説するチャンネルは見たことがなく、新鮮だと思います。リスニング力UPに間違いなく有用である自信があるので、是非初回の動画だけでも観ていただきたいです。
めちゃくちゃ参考になりました！ありがとうございます。すごく私的なお願いですが、私は高校3年生の受験生で、EN新メンバーの3期生がもうすぐデビューするのですが、彼女たちの誰かで英語の勉強がしたいと思ってます。可能であれば、3期生がデビューしたら誰がオススメなどをこの動画のようにまとめて下さりませんか？彼女たちをデビューから追い、英語が上達できるせっかくの機会なのでお願いします。🙇
FUWAMOCOが可愛いし聞き取りやすいと思います
一応YAGOOのメン限で英語勉強音声付きで教材作れないかな的な話があったのでそのうち公式で出る可能性はあります。
それはそれとしてめっちゃありがたいです。
@@Greendisty 九月ぐらいに公式から教材出る予定ですよ。
てかYAGOOのメン限なんてあったのか
僕が英語のネイティブなんですけどちょっとした意見を共有したいと思います。ついさっきデビューしたホロEN・Adventのネリッサさんの英語がすごく明瞭でホロENの中でアメリカ標準語の一番近くだと思います。もし僕は英語学習中の人だったらすごく分かりやすそうだなって初配信から思ったんです
有力情報助かる。
確かに、ネリッサちゃんの英語は初配信の時からすごく聞き取りやすい印象があったね。
自分は英語勉強してるから、参考にさせてもらうね！
ノーパンだけどね
参考にさせていただきます！
嬉しい情報ありがとう！
ネリッサちゃんめちゃくちゃ分かりやすいと思った！初配信見てたとき、画面見ずに聞いてたけど難なく何の話かが入ってきたからくっきりしてるなと感じた
本当にありがとうございます❤❤
上級か超級でみこちが来るオチかと思ったらガチに助かる動画だった。助かる。
EN version of the points made in the video:
Ouro Kronii (Beginner):
[English Features]
Probably the slowest speech among the members of Hololive English.
Not just slow but also clear.
[Others]
Can speak Korean besides English. Knows a little Japanese.
Many people find the contrast between her English and Japanese skills amusing.
IRyS (Beginner):
[English Features]
Speaks at a normal pace.
Uses minimal slang.
[Others]
Can speak Japanese besides English.
Frequently switches between Japanese and English during streams, making it easy to follow the conversation.
YabaiRys.
Mori Calliope:
[English Features]
Talks at a fast pace, but she speaks clearly.
Can speak Japanese quite well.
[Others]
Uses more slang but remains easy to understand.
A gentle soul despite being a grim reaper.
Some people enjoy her use of "dirty" words, but she's still relatively tame in casual conversations.
Ceres Fauna (Beginner):
[English Features]
Speaks at a slower pace.
Sometimes uses challenging vocabulary.
[Others]
Occasionally shares educational knowledge during casual chats.
Many people fall in love with her ASMR content.
Takanashi Kiara(Intermediate):
[English Features]
Talks at a normal to slightly faster pace.
Has a faint accent (but not significantly affecting comprehension).
[Others]
Fluent in German and speaks Japanese fluently as well.
She has a separate channel where she speaks in German, but it seems inactive ("deadchannel").
Watson Amelia (Intermediate):
[English Features]
Occasionally speaks very fast.
Otherwise, there are no distinct features, which is recommended in a positive sense.
[Others]
Highly creative.
Has incredibly impressive childhood stories.
HIC (hiccups)
Hakos Baelz (Intermediate):
[English Features]
Speaks Australian English (which may be easier to understand than American English once you get used to it).
Speaks clearly.
[Others]
Fluent in Japanese.
Her laughter is likened to the sound of a boiling kettle.
Gawr Gura (Advanced):
[English Features]
Frequently speaks fast.
Tends to transition quickly to the next sentence without much pause, which may be challenging.
[Others]
Boasts one of the highest numbers of subscribers among Vtubers.
Often sings Japanese songs with an extraordinarily good pronunciation.
Ninomae Ina'nis (Advanced):
[English Features]
Speaks at a slower pace.
Pronunciation of consonants is weak, which might make it difficult to understand initially.
[Others]
Can speak Korean besides English.
Has a considerable proficiency in Japanese.
TOMORROW
Nanashi Mumei (Advanced):
[English Features]
Considered exceptionally difficult to comprehend.
Frequently speaks very fast, and it becomes particularly challenging when her voice gets higher.
[Others]
Draws highly unique and individualistic art.
Occasionally confuses viewers and other members with her eccentric remarks.
This is just an english version for those wondering.
Thank you! I was about to take screenshots and put them through a translator lol.
no problem, this is a pretty cool channel not going to lie @@chaos2inferno
Thank you for the translation!
Poor Moom 😭😂
Very interesting to see how a Japanese person ranks their difficulty, quite surprised with a few placements here lol.
Bae I would personally put as "Advanced", probably swap her with Mumei or Gura. Though that's because I personally struggled severely to understand the thick Australian accent (like Bae's :p) for the longest time, had an Australian friend I played MMO's with a long time ago, eventually picked up on it lol.
Actually curious why some might consider American English to be harder than Australian. There's only three US American accents/dialects that I personally consider extraordinarily difficult, two of them southern, the Alabama and Appalachian accents, the third being the Hawaiian dialect lol.
カリオペは喋るスピードは速くても滅茶苦茶発音が良いから自分的にはクロニーよりも聞き取りやすい
というかR.I.Pのあの超高速ラップをちゃんと聞き取れる様に発音してるのが凄いと思う
発音が綺麗（たぶん）
声がしっとりしてる
ラップで鍛えた滑舌
日本で英語を教えていた
カリオペがもっとも英語勉強に適してると思う
As a Taiwanese audience,
Calliope's pronunciation is easier to us to understand also.
本当の初心者はカリオペの速さについていけないですよ、あの速さについていけてるなら初心者ではないと思うで
崩れた発音が少なくかつゆっくりであることからクロニーの方が初心者向けではあると思う、出来るんだったら平行するのが一番だが
@@グスコーツ-w4j
自分も英語なんてからっきしだったけど、
カリオペの配信聞き出してからテレビや映画の英語を聴き取れるようになったから、リスニングの点でも早口なのが逆に良いと思うんだけど…
まあ人それぞれではあるか
自分が留学生で英語圏のスピードに慣れてるからだろうけどめっちゃ共感できる。でもあのスピードは初心者だと難しいと思うな
カリオペは主に日本人向けの配信（JPのVtuberとのコラボの時とか）の時は喋るときに
単語数を減らしてくれるので何を言ってるのかを分かりやすくしてくれてると思う
カリオペの英語禁止配信とかから見始めるといいですよね。
日本語を喋るカリオペはとても可愛いし😊
皆さんのご意見、楽しく拝読しています。
ちなみにこの動画は、私がホロENを観始めた最初期の印象を元にしています。
慣れるにつれて難易度は多少変わり、今ではAmeとBaeがかなり聞き取りやすく感じています（Ameに関しては一番よく聞いてるからかも）。
ただし、Mumeiが最難関であることは変わらず、次点でGuraが難しく感じます。
コメント失礼します！
なるほど！アメリアさんですね！確かに私も彼女が大好き（ENの中で一番）なので、頑張って勉強して、聞き取ります！（もちろんあなたの動画も活用して）
People have confused Mumei and Gura with each other because of their similar voice. So it makes sense you view them fairly equal in terms of difficulty.
字幕オンにするとちゃんと英語字幕付いてるのが仕事丁寧ですごく良い！
文脈を追えるって大事ですよねー。好きなゲームの実況だと雑談配信とかよりもビックリするくらい話に付いて行ける。
最後のムメイちゃん小鳥がピーチクパーチク鳴いてるようにしか聞こえなかった笑
英語全く分からないけど、Guraの配信毎回見てたおかげで耳が慣れたのか英語のリスニングだけは点数高いんだよね,,,
ありがとうGura！！！！
俺も英語全くわからないんだけど聞くだけでも意味あるのかな?
@@eilipute1658聞こうとするだけでも効果はあるからね
拒否感が無くなるだけでもデカいしな
推しへの愛で頑張って勉強して天下取れ。英語できるだけでめちゃくちゃお得やで
何故かって？｢Tasukaru｣からな。
(進路的にとか関係ねぇんだよ！！！)
@@eilipute1658全然あるよ効果
聞くだけだと意味無いけどちゃんと理解しようとして聞いてたら耳は慣れるはず
ムメイは言い直しが多かったり、トピックが終わる前に次のトピックにジャンプするから難しい……
ちなみに海外ニキに聞いたらマリン船長が同じ理由で聞き取りが難しいらしい（+ 日本のネットミームとお局とかの日本人じゃないと分からない内容も多いから、とのこと）
英語勉強のためのホロライブ切り抜きは多いけど、日本語勉強のためのホロライブ切り抜きはブルーオーシャンで多くの海外ニキが求めてるから誰かやって欲しい──
英会話学ぶためによくEN勢見てるからこういうの作ってくれた主感謝でしかない。
本当にありがとうございます。
最近デビューしたビジューおすすめ。I'm going to..って感じでgonnaみたいにリンキングしないから。エルデンリングも11h観ちゃったな、めちゃくちゃ上手いしおもろい。特に笑顔で犬に虐待してたシーンおすすめ(*´ω｀*)
@@I_learn_English_with_emotions. ありがとうございます。
@@I_learn_English_with_emotions. エルデンリングってゲームなんだろうけど「笑顔で犬に虐待してたシーン」とかパワーワードで草
共通テストのリスニングはクロニーにしゃべってほしかったな……
ムメイは自分でも私の英語は難しいから〜って謝ってたもんな
Guraはﾓﾆｮﾓﾆｮﾓﾆｮ～って呟くように喋ったり、喋る内容もカートゥーンからの引用やアメリカ文化の話が多いから、聞き取りも内容の理解も両方難しいイメージ。
ホロEN3期だとネリッサさんの英語が上品で聴き取りやすくて好きですね、ノーパンですけど
上品で聴き取りやすいのめっちゃわかる
ノーパンだけどね
クロニーと似た感じで聞き取りやすくていいですよね。リスニングの勉強になる。ノーパンだけど。
ノーパン健康法の新規か
良いところしかないじゃん
英語が聞き取りやすい上にノーパンとか最高だな
ENにきだけどこれは興味深い。
I'm an EN-niki but I found this very interesting.
日本語字幕の切り抜きじゃなくてリアルタイムで配信を楽しめるようにがんばる！
ほんとにholoENは英語のモチベになる
ENの配信を自分で聞き取って分かるようになりたいなと思っていたので、英語初学者としてこういった動画は凄く助かります。
ありがとうございます。
ぐらちゃんは話す内容や場面ではチャンクごとの区切りをすごく明確にしてくれるから初級～中級くらいの聞き取りやすさになってて話すのうまいなぁって思う．（特にコラボの時とか）
EN,ID勢が日本語で会話してるの改めてすごいよな，JPの日本語クセすんごいし．みこちの日本語とか未だに何いってるかたまにわからん．
恒例行事の如くEN勢に組み込まれるみこちであった😅
みこちは英語も日本語も喋れないんだよな
えりーとだから新しい言語を産み出しちやったんだにぇ…
みこち以上のバケモンが生まれた
@@sprintershort7684ポルシェッ！
分かりやすくまとめられていて助かります。
ムメイちゃん何度か聞こうとしたけど難しい…
ちなみに私は、キアラちゃんのホロトークが日英交互で実質解説付きだったり、アメちゃんのウィークリーニュースが何について喋ってるのか分かりやすくてお気に入りです。
推すために英語頑張る。
As an English speaker, I don't understand what Mumei says sometimes, so don't worry :)
カリは喋る速さが早め（アメリカの人からしたら普通の速さではあると思うけど）だけどすごく耳に入ってきやすくて好き 日本語と英語での態度のギャップも好き
I speak English as a second language and this is my latest EN listening difficulty chart:
Baby: Kronii, Nerissa
Journalist: Calli, Shiori, Fauna(Baby when she's not using so many hard words like all those quantum physics jargons lmao)
I’m Too Young to Die: Ame, Ina, Kiara, IRyS
Hurt Me Plenty: Bae, Sana, Gura, Bijou
Ultra Violence: Fuwamoco, Mumei when :D
Nightmare: moom🤬
Ultra Nightmare: Miko
Bijou’s English is very comprehensive without using difficult words. I even doubt that English is not her mother tongue.
Fuwawa’s English is indeed another language. That kind of whisper is really hard to be understood. Especially when the twin’s voices merge together.
@@kuroko9124 Bijou's English is perfectly understandable for me most of the time, but she sometimes slurs a bunch of words that I couldn't get right away. Like in the trucking stream when she was asserting dominance over other trucks on the road(timestamp 46:25) she yelled "GET OUTTA THE WAY" but it was so unclear I was like "What? Galway? Where did that come from??" That's why I put her in higher difficulty.
@@semicolon.d I got your point. When her tension is high, she tends to slur a full sentence in front of the audience www
Moom is a pure stream of thoughts. Even as someone online and ESL since a child, if I don't pay attention I wouldn't know what she's talking about before she moves to a totally random sentence.
Like, I get the words, but I'd have no clue about the context because she just keep going to random directions. Imagine trying to get context clues from that as a non-fluent ESL JP-niki.
That's not even getting to her mumbling her thoughts because it just comes straight from brain to mouth like she's in an actual conversation. Understandable why Ina and Mumei is at top because they mumble a lot.
I laughed so hard when I saw Miko on the chart
Mumei好きだからよく配信見るんだけど、逆に耳が鍛えられる
As a native English speaker, I find it super interesting to see their english difficulty ranked, I've never thought of it before.
外国人なので、この意見はめちゃ面白い。ぜんぜん考えなかった。
Guraとムメイちゃんについては、本当にその通り。
マジで難しい。
あとイナちゃんはリスニングに加えて語彙力も高いから、全然わからない時がある（単語が）
これと同じでファウナも聞き取りはめちゃくちゃしやすいけど、語彙力が高い。
ネイティブなスラング(しかも下ネタ多め)が混ざると聴き取れても知識が追いつかないですよね
ムメイだけはホログラ初登場回で聴き取れないとこ多かったけど、やっぱそうなのか…
てか、最後の発狂ムメイに草
こういうのとても助かります！楽しみながら学ぶことができる！
すごく良い動画
逆に英語話者から見たJPの日本語聞き取りやすさランキングみたいなのも見てみたいですね
以前redditでぶっちぎりで姫様の日本語がきついというのを見かけたことがありますね
みこち、ころさん(方言 言い回し)、船長(ニコ動ネタ多め)
逆に聞き取りやすいのは鷹嶺ルイ おかゆん 団長 わため辺り？
@@okayunekomata I remember Towa's early Hollow Knight streams were very easy to follow
姫様の話し方は最高に可愛いんだけど海外ニキには聞き取りづらそうだなあとは自分も思ってた。
あと、ねねちは感性全振りのめっちゃ独特な造語を頻繁にぶち込んでくるから、海外ニキにはかなり難易度高いんじゃないかと思うけど、どうなんだろう。（逆に海外ニキへのサービス精神旺盛な一面もあるから海外人気は高そうだけど）
聞き取りやすさでいえば、あずきちとかミオしゃとかはゆっくりめで明瞭な話し方だし、あんまり単語を端折らず分かりやすく話す印象があるから初級者向けな気がする。
非日本語ネイティブからすると、ちょこ先の発声が聞き取りにくいって聞いたことがあるけどどうなんだろ
じつはカリオペの英語って割と聞きやすくて言ってることが頭に入りやすいよね！しゃべり方が上手！クロニ―は確かにゆっくりはっきりしゃべってくれるからいいかも！
I'm trying my best to learn Japanese to understand JP members. I'm glad there are Japanese viewers trying to learn English as well. Both languages are pretty hard for the other side.
Thank you for your comment.
Actually, I have considered creating a channel that explains Japanese using Hololive JP clips, but I don't have knowledge of what EN-nikis find challenging when trying to understand their Japanese, so I didn’t make the channel. If you don't mind, please let me know what you find challenging when trying to understand Hololive JP. Is it their fast speaking pace, or something else? I'm not sure if I will actually create that kind of channel, but I’m just curious.
@@hololiveEN-sounds Talking speed can be a big issue. Marine, for example, talks too fast for me to understand even a little bit of her speech, while Watame is easier. A lot of the times it comes to lack of vocabulary, or lack or context in the conversation. Game streams are helpful in trying to comprehend what talents are saying, especially if the game has written dialouge. But for a zatsuzan stream, I have no reference to latch on to. I believe English viewers say Marine is the hardest to understand, since she talks the fastest, as well lots of slang use. Hope that helps!
@@hololiveEN-sounds It's pretty similar to the points that you wrote in this video, but I believe the main factors are speed and vocabulary. The faster speakers obviously make it more difficult to catch the specific words that they're saying, but listen to them long enough and you should be fine (eg. maybe Subaru, speaks relatively fast and slurs words together sometimes but language is otherwise straightforward imo). The more problematic issue is vocabulary, which without context means absolutely nothing to the listener. Wordplay, slang, contractions (at least uncommon ones, unlike なきゃ etc.), accents (eg. Korone's Kansai-ish accent which can be thick sometimes), and simply a broader vocabulary consisting of terms not often used by other streamers (since that's where most listeners listen to jp) all fall under this category.
@@deadzipper1777 I absolutely agree. Talking speed can be a problem when you start listening to them, but after a while you'll get used to it and hear what they say accurately most of the time. The biggest problem for me is the vocabulary, especially the more nuanced and/or obscure ones. I've been listening to Marine for quite a while, and while I can say I'm used to her speed I definitely cannot say the same for her complex vocabulary.
Oh, and listening to many people talk at the same time can be quite challenging too. When listening to collab streams (especially the off-collab ones where the sound may not be as clear), I find it quite hard to catch what everyone is saying at the same time. Might be a shame since I find collab streams are the most interesting ones lol
@@syfx1485
I am Japanese but I cannot listen and I can only vaguely understand collaboration stream's talk well.
I have a question.
Can Native English speakers listen and understand EN members' collaboration stream talk well?
If I wrote bad words,I'm Sorry.
I can't do English well.
en声よかったり面白そう人多いなと思いつつ、クロニーでもたまに聞き取れるレベルの単語力リスニング力だからたまに字幕切り抜き見たりなだけだったし、見れる機会増えたらいいなー
字の文なら多少わかるって感じならライブ配信でも自動英語字幕出せたりするし挑戦してみるのもありかも？
自分たちが英語をなかなか聞き取れない中で、ENメンバーで普通に日本語を話せている人はすごいと思う。個人的にはカリオペが一番聞き取りやすかったです。ベーちゃんがEN勢で一番の推しなので頑張って聞き取ってみたいです。最近はアーカイブをちょこちょこ巻き戻して頑張って聞いています。ムメイのは聞き取れない自信しかないです笑笑
クロニーズとして一言だけ言うと
クロニーの発話や明瞭なイントネーションがとっても助かりますが
他にいるENのメンバーより難易度のある語彙や
アメリカのネット上のミームをよく使われている傾向があると感じられるので
それが難しいといったら難しいところですね！
イラスト用意してくれたの分かりやすくてめっちゃよかった！
ENの子も好きだからわかるけどとてもよくまとめてくれてますね。カリのスラングはelephant in the roomとかめちゃ覚えてるし、IRySの日本語のおかげで話ついていきやすいし、べーちゃんのブロードアクセントは他の子より聞き取りやすい気がしてるし…
3期でもネリッサちゃんは聞き取りやすいのかなとか思った。他の子もまとめてほしいと思いました〜
ムメイ好きになって配信通じて英語学べたらと思ってたけどやっぱり難しいんだね
でも推しへの愛でなんとか頑張ろうと思う
I’m a native English speaker, but I want to get better at using simple English with English learners at work. This video is super helpful for me, in the opposite way! Thank you!
My recommendations are:
① Use simpler words instead of slang or jargon, but not skip important words like “a” and “for”. (Calli tried this in her KTaNE stream with Korone, but it ended up harder to understand.)
② Enunciate, since the learners may not be used to the sound changes that come with faster speech - keep consonant “slurring” to a minimum, e.g. enunciate the “-t r-” in “Should I get rid of it?”.
③ Try to make the relationship between sentences clear, by using conjunctions like “and”, “so”, “because”, and “then”.
Bonus: In one-on-one conversations, wait between sentences to make sure the listener understands.
定期的にこの動画見てるけど、だんだん聞き取れるようになってくるの感じるわ
ぐらちゃんは音声の聞き取り難度そのものよりも、切り口の頭の良さとスラング全開の言い回しに置いてかれることが多いな
わからん箇所はアーカイブで何回聞いても何言ってるかわからん…
I've never noticed this, but I can see why Gura and Mumei may be hard to understand for Japanese viewers. They speak quite fast and sometimes jump form one topic to another. They also tend to have slightly slurred speech.
13:04 Don't worry, nobody understands that part 草
個人的には、カリオペの喋りが一番聞き取りやすい。
話速は高めだけど、滑舌がとてもいいし、かなり丁寧な発音をしているので、単語を追いやすい。
I hope all JP niki can get to a stage where they can enjoy Mumei's streams. Ganbatte!
It's like we hoping we can get to a stage where we can understand Miko's streams someday.
@@naaat wwwwwww
ありがとう海外ニキ😚
頑張ります！！
ENのメンバーの魅力をもっと知りたい〜!
ぐらの英語は本当に流れるような音で、歌ってるみたいに綺麗だから好き
速さの割にカリオペがダントツで聴きやすかった
次いでクロニーとアイリスなのも動画通り
ムメイに関しては申し訳ないが自分の英語力ではENのさくらみことしか思えなかった
Mumeiがmoom してる時は分からなくても平気
ムメイちゃん推してるので頑張ろうと思います！
動画主さんありがとうございます！
個人の感想としてファウナちゃんがゆっくりで聞きやすく、グラちゃんが全然分かりませんでしたw
英語勉強のお供にさせて頂きます、ありがとうございます！
Bijouちゃんの英語聞き取りやすいなぁ
おまけのムメイで絶望(ベストエフォートで字幕つけてくださりありがとうございます、、)
素晴らしい動画。伸びるべき。
ワッスンのhic upの差し込み秀逸。
お疲れ様です。
比較して聞くと、英語はリズムが重要って感じる
ムメイちゃん一番好きだけど、聞き取り難しい。単語は一番平易なんだけど、姪っ子がぺちゃぺちゃ喋ってるんだけどわからん的な難しさを感じる。
Cali, Irys and Fauna all speak very clear crisp English. Even as a native the difference is clear.
But then beyond them, it is very difficult for me to notice the differences. It is interesting to see the perspective of a Japanese speaker.
This seems just about the speed. If it was just about the level of English, then it's probably Fauna
3 English speakers I'd put in Beginner category among Holo mems is Ollie, Reine & Zeta
(when they're not code switching & speaking in English fully)
they have neutral accents, normal speech pace, clear annunciations, minimal slang
海外勢の中で一番好きなムメイがこんなに難しいとは…このチャンネルを通してこれから勉強していこうと思います
それにしてもムメイちゃんは言葉理解できなくても理解できる可愛さがあってかわいい
自分の配信視聴頻度
だいたいこの難易度順で笑ってしまった
アメリアでもう限界...勉強がんばります！
自分の印象も大体動画と同じ難易度分けでびっくりしました。
Adventの子らは初級Nerissa、中級Shiori・Bijou、上級Fuwawa・Mococoに感じます。
Bijouは舌足らずな感じだけど何言ってるかはほぼほぼ分かるのに、FuwaMocoの2人は？ってなる率が凄く高い不思議。
お疲れさまです。
Advent登場したところで多分超上級の枠が作れそう（シオリンは興奮するとめっちゃ早口になるし、話題の切り替えスピードもヤバい。ネイティブでもなかなか追いつかないレベルですよ。
自分来年大学受験控えてるのに中1の時点で英語捨ててしまって、中1の内容から復習始めないとってレベルなんですが、そんなん面倒くさい英語のせいで大学のレベル下げてもいい的なことを考えてました。そんぐらい英語嫌いだったのですが、この動画を見て英語を勉強すればがるちゃんやカリオペなどのホロENのみんなを切り抜きじゃなくても楽しめるようになるということに気づくことができました！ありがとうございます♪これからの授業楽しみにしてます！！
この比較は聴いていて「ホントだ！」って思いました。
作成ありがとうございます。
ほぼ英語はわからず雰囲気とたまに聞き取れる単語で配信を楽しんでいますが、日本語を所々挟んでくれるIRysから逆にほぼ英単語拾えなかったのはこういうことだったのかと納得させられました。
最後のムメイはマジでまったくわからん笑
でも可愛いのでOKです。
たまに「イナちゃんの発音は聞きやすいよね」っていう人がいて、自分は「子音の脱落多いしむずくね？」と思っていたのですが、主さんと見解が一致していて安心しました。
あと、IDですがゼータちゃんの英語はリスニング難易度初級に入ると思います。
叩き音はあるものの、脱落や省略が少なく教科書通りの発音をしてくれていると感じます。
IDは訛りがあるから入門は難しく感じる
オリ―、イオフィ、ゼータ、レイネは比較的に少ない方
ムーナ、リス、こぼはまあまあ訛る方
カエラはバリバリインドネシア訛りをしている
Speed is a major factor huh? The girls do have *mostly* clean pronunciation and manageable accents. So speed, and the girl mumbling or just speaking stream of thoughts in general makes it harder because JP-niki can't catch all the context yet before they move to the next thought.
見つけて秒で登録しました！！！
ムメイが可愛すぎるけど喋るのが早くて難しいなと思ってました！
最後めっちゃおもろい笑
字幕付けるとマジでムメイ難しいの分かるな
字幕見ながら聞いても話すスピードに追いつかんわ
12:59
What Mumei said, as transcribed by a native English speaker.
Mumei is 早口.
Mumei: Playing a game again is cheating? Doing it again is cheating? (incomprehensible mountain of angry, speedy gibberish with the words "speedrunning" and "again" somewhere in there) I'm speedrunning it, right? The point of the speedrun is to memorize everything so it's okay for me to check. I'm not trying to prove that I have a really good memory here, I'm trying to prove that I can do it faster than usual, but I'm not doing it faster than usual, but that's okay 'cause it takes practice and I'm doing it by myself for the first time, so I'm only doing it for the first time.
bruh
Here's what I hear in the gibberish section:
"(Mumble mumble) I'm trying to learn how to speedrun and I can't learn if I don't know what I'm doing then I can't speedrun it, right?"
But I had to listen to it at 0.5x speed.
(他のも難しいけど)最後のおまけは全然聞き取れない！wwwww
それなー
個人的にはIRySは結構聞き取りが難しい。このランキングに則れば自分の中では中級くらいになるかもしれないです。べーちゃんは最初は全然聞き取れなかったのですが、最近はかなり明瞭に聞き取れます。オーストラリアアクセントに慣れたからですかね？そういう意味ではサナの聞き取りも結構苦労しました。
意見の共有ありがとうございます。
ベーに関して全く同じです笑
最初全然聞き取れなくて焦りましたが、今はむしろ聞き取りやすいです。面白いですね。
確かに改めて聴くとムメイちゃんめっちゃ速い
カリオペ繰り返し聞いてたら一番英語に慣れそう
日常会話もこれくらいだし
ムメイENの中で推しだけどやっぱり難しいか...他のメンバー観ながら頑張ろう💪
僕も推しが難しいグループだったので他のメンバーから聞けるようにしていきます。
頑張ってください。
@@fish-b4fありがとうございます😊
クロニーはほんとに聞き取りやすいですね
いい動画でした！ぐらのリスニングも一つの難点は彼女はネット上のスラングがかなり使います。もしアメリアのネット文化が詳しくないなら内容を理解することが難しいと思います。
ぐら推しになりリスニングだけでもと動画見漁っていたところ、ぐらちゃん上級じゃないですかヤダー！頑張らなきゃななこれ
Hakosさんの英語懐かしい感じがする……オーストラリア留学一年しといて英語できなかったけどVから再学習するという道もあるかな……
初級でもほとんど聞こえないけど、文脈がわかったときは気持ちいい。
グラちゃんは早口で言ってることも難しい表現ぽいのでほとんどわからないｗ
イナはかわいいから聴き取りやすい(破綻)
私はベーちゃんの英語が一番聞き取りやすいな
チュの発音がアメリカ英語とは違うのだけど私にはあってる
Gura and Mumei are difficult for beginner because their brain spin faster. Gura is rhythm game master and Mumei type super fast. So they speak in a faster pace plus connected speech that may make it difficult for beginner. But Gura actually pronounce each word very crisp.
They also tend to stumble over certain words, which I can imagine throws off people who have to pay close attention to understand English.
I'm an English speaker only, though, so I might be totally wrong and that's not the case.
Mumei is hard to understand even for a native English speaker when she speaks fast and high pitched so don't worry. 笑
Some younger girls talk like that as a joke during moments of excitement or laughter and know you won't understand them. Often times, they aren't actually fully speaking the words. When I was in high school girls did it.
ぐらはちょこっとしか見たことないけど確かに難しかった。
日本語で言うと句読点無しの文章をずっと聞いてる感じ。
改めて今回分かった事
聞き取る聞き取れない以前に知らない文法と単語が多過ぎた…()
番外編でみこちが入ってくるオチを期待してたひと
それはさておき
もしよかったら英語初学習者向けにRUclipsの字幕機能がしっかり機能してくれるENランキングも作ってください！
英語レベル、ポケモンで例えると御三家はどれがいいのか攻略サイト見てるくらいのレベルだからせめて字幕欲しい
ムメイちゃんは確かに難しい…💦頑張らねば😭
3期デビュー組だと個人的には発音はネリッサ姐さん、単語的にはビジューちゃんが聴き取りやすかったですね
1期2期だとファウナちゃんは単語が難しいけど真社会性動物の話とか訳見たらめっちゃ面白いです
太郎はリアクションでなんとなくわかる…笑
太郎ｗｗｗ
最後のはもはや日本人やんwww
こんなにゆっくりな日本語が聞き取れないのにこんな早口の英語を聞き取れるRUclips翻訳よ、、、なぜなんだ｡｡｡
Mumeiさんの歌があまりうますぎて推します。是非とも
Don't mind me, just getting an understanding on who are hard for foreign listeners to follow along among EN member.
Also lowkey practicing reading and learning new words in Japanese lol.
Very interesting video! It is very true that it is all about getting used to them and often even native speakers can just get the gist of what the members are saying by listening to context and keywords.
配信や会話の方向性、内容を掴むだけなら分かる単語を繋げればいいから少しはできる。だから配信を楽しむだけなら困らない。
でも、語学学習として配信を捉えた場合、単語や文法、スラングやリンキングによる発音の変化とか多くの困難があると思う。特に配信は扱うテーマも多岐に渡るし、単純に時間も長いから途中で挫折しがちな気がする。
流れでずっと話されると聞き取りづらいですよねぇ。
参考になります。ありがとうございます。
ムメイちゃんの声とちょっとやばめな感じ好きでよく見てるけど聞くのはガチむずい
2割理解できてるか怪しいかも
雰囲気と海外ニキのコメントで察する感じ
というかネイティブな海外ニキはこれを100%聞き取ってるという事実すごいな…
Thanks for the vid, it’s so awesome to see how JP bros this same kind of interest but on EN members. To be honest though, i don’t know why you guys rank Miko so low when she’s the only JP member I can watch because I can understand her Japanese clearly.
It is joke, She speaks like a baby sometimes. and they can not catch what she is saying even their mother tongue is Japanese. Way to her speak Japanese called elite English from JP Bros. They don't think her Japanese as Japanese sometimes.
JPメンバーの日本語versionだとどうなるんだろうな？
船長が上級にいそうなのは想像できるんだが
英語字幕助かります！！
クロニー本当に聞きやすい
今回デビューしたFuwawaちゃんの英語も結構聞き取るのムズイ。
ふわもこの英語聞き取りやすいって思ったけど違ったか。
ふわもこの二人は基本聞き取りやすいものの、「舌足らず語」の知識を知らないと聞き取れない部分があるはず。
RをWに置き換えたりするやつ
@@bitplane_chan はえー。当たり前ではあるけど、みこちみたいなしゃべり方の人もいるってことか（悪意はない）
慣れると文脈でなんて言ってるかわかる感じなのかな。
@@bitplane_chan なるほど。アドバイスありがとう👍
フワモコは二人で喋るから自動字幕が来ても補完されない部分が多いのもシンプルに初学者にはキツい
なんや
このチャンネル
めちゃおもろいやん。
スピードで
凄い変わるのが
わかった😊
13:01 ラストムメイで笑ったw