'Satanist Aleister Crowley' I mean, no not really a satanist, the demons crowley fixated on had their basis in ancient egypt more so than anything christian, a minor correction
In the vulgar sense Crowley was a Satanist, He admitted as such multiple times and his correspondence with Symonds reasserts such feat. Symonds also referenced how Crowley honoured a whole council of hebrew/christian demons. My view is that Crowley was a Satanist, and yet more than a Satanist. Crowley could be called a Sinister Pyrrhoist. The rituals to Apep reassert this position, the same regarding the Set-Hoori conflation. Achad in his turn to Christianity also reasserts this as fact. Motta does the same, and regardless the grades and successory disputes his research and commentary is cirurgically on point, and this fact alone is the motivator of most thelemite hate against him today, he talked too much and he was as public as Crowley was. Crowley references to Jesus Christ and The Holy Spirit, specially on the Farewell (a passkey) in the OTO IX° are not only self referential (him as beast ie. vesper ie. the star in the west) but also the holy ghost as satan. This interchangeability is openly introduced in The Wake World in the proper arcana. The same applies to the communications in which Sorat is vehicle. Crowley embracing of "The World" in the most offensive biblical sense is also testimony enough. To Crowley the Father Christ references is not the Demiurge. In fact Crowley equates the Demiurge with Satan and with a whole different God Father from the Christians. Authentic Sinister Gnosticism.
@@LNVACVAC And that's fair. I think I tend towards a perspective that acknowledges the Gnostic conceits a bit more readily, but I will concede that my biases are my own.
@@dustind4694 RUclips is deleting my answers. Crowley basically promoted Pneumatikoi and Phibionite practices as Gnostic Acceleration, but in place of bringing the second coming and stealing light from the Arkons, to solidify his kingdom as beast and coming/awakening of other instrumental satanic avatars.
@@beareble-lion4446 Your position makes no sense. If markets are unregulated, then giant megacorps are naturally gonna arise and a huge amount of power over everyone else.
this but unironically you ever notice in Civ V how democracy basically never wins, except maybe in very rare, improbably lucky circumstances? It's always fascism or communism that take over the world. and usually through brutal total war, often nuclear war. especially on higher difficulty levels. you notice how fragile democracy seems to be in our actual world? sometimes, you start to wonder if maybe the AI is right...
@@ivandiaz5791 hey. Hey just wanted to explain to you the point of the joke. Civ is a game where humanity is a competitive game of nations. Its literally gamifying human history. The joke is that wouldn’t it be crazy if people thought that being a human and interacting with other humans on a universal scale was made into some arbitrary game?
More than anything, thanks to his prolific public presence, Nick presents both a highly illustrative model for and cautionary tale about the dangers of long term amphetamine abuse
I agree. A talented person addicted to speed is not significantly more impressive in his output than a guy with a swastika tattooed on his forehead living in an unregistered car parked in the desert.
Well, Lands worldview was ahead of its time and will be recognized as the better alternative to the democratic sham most people in the west still believe in today, so I guess the amphetamines didn't hurt.
"Night City was like a deranged experiment in social Darwinism, designed by a bored researcher who kept one thumb permanently on the fast-forward button." - William Gibson, Neuromancer
@@dethkon Night City is the name of a small area in Chiba (in neuromancer.) That commenter didn’t change anything. Night City from the recent cyberpunk game is totally unrelated
@@k.s.9400 Thanks for the correction. Is Night City that place where Molly sort of follows/stalks Case through the club/arena and flatline's an assassin? Or is it the part of Chiba where like, Case's coffin at "Cheap Hotel" is? Kinda close to where his junkie, prostitute ex-girlfriend meets him to try and scam some money off him in the beginning? I haven't read Neuromancer in some time...
@@dethkon "Behind the port lay the city, factory domes dominated by the vast cubes of corporate arcologies. Port and city were divided by a narrow borderland of older streets, an area with no official name. Night City, with Ninsei its heart. By day, the bars down Ninsei were shuttered and featureless, the neon dead, the holograms inert, waiting, under the poisoned silver sky"
@@dethkon The vanilla Cyberpunk genre always have a "night city" as a setting: always raining, neon lights, being a seedy unforgiving hellhole where dying is a preferable alternative to living...
@@johnnyjacuzzi7498 in a post-individual view in which philosophy as a whole becomes comparable to a brain and each philosopher becomes a train of thought, then for each philosopher to take amphetamine and accelerate their own thinking faster than their natural (as in, unpredictable and affected by all the variables of life) experience and learning can account for... yes. the alternative to this is that each philosopher has a fair balanced view of life and thinks as he pleases.... yeah, amphetamines sound like a good idea. do got the crash tho...
im sorry to hammer this home, but the entire section on the Ccru left much to be desired. Sadie Plant was not a Land sidekick; she founded the Ccru, not him. Crowley was not a Satanist and the Ccru literally wrote a text making fun of people who thought they were Satanists. it was not an accelerationist/neoreactionary research unit, and in fact, neither of those terms or viewpoints even existed at the time Ccru subjects of interest were cyberfeminism, unorthodox semiotics, theories of sound, new understandings of textuality and fiction, and an extremely radical critique of the coherence of time. all of this is expressed elegantly in their occult work, which was not a tacked-on drug-addled deviation, rather a rigorous systematization of what had already been done. painting the work that many people, including many women, poured into this project as just a product of one man's drug addiction is enormously sketchy scholarship
As a paganarchist who considers Al Crowley to be essentially to me what Leo Tolstoy is to Christian anarchists I die a bit inside every time someone describes Frater Perdurabo as a Satanist.
@@lilliansimons5802 And it's not even as if Satanists are bad people. I dated a Theistic Satanist for a while and he was an absolute gentleman in every capacity. It's just that describing Crowley and Thelema as Satanic is just as far off the mark as describing the Dalai Lama and Tibetan Buddhism as Christian. If you're going to get into fringe philosophers (speaking of which I'd like to see him try to make heads or tails of Robert Anton Wilson and the rest of the Discordians) at least get their philosophy right.
I hate this assumption of inevitability. That there's some magical arrow of time that will only take us in one direction, that we can't go backwards or stagnate, it denies the countless different directions in which we could take society. We live in a world of endless possibilities and these nihilistic arseholes are busy turning their suicidal depression into a philosophy.
I have to agree with you: inevitability doesn't make much sense when you consider the power that individuals can have over society and therefore the course of history. Its hard to predict complex systems, and few systems are more complex than society.
If time is infinite, then eventually humans will be left to nothing, be nothing. Our lives will mean nothing, so why does it matter? I’m not suicidal but I don’t want to die. But I do look at the recent report on climate change at the UN and think that their is not reason to be alive. I don’t think that it’s impossible to have humans live forever but right now, it seems kinda hard to picture us surviving past this century. That’s where the nihilism comes from. It’s not inevitable but it seems damn close.
@@spicy1375 If you think about the infinity of time and of the bearing of our actions in that spectrum, then yes, our actions have little consequences in that regard. However, we are all only one individual. What matters to us, the things we think fondly of, the things we hate, all of this matters from a subjective point of view. Let's say you were working in a company that helps the elderly. What do you accomplish ? Are you giving motivation for the younger generations to not worry about their future ? Are you trying to please people, and making them remember you as a good person ? These exemples are variable, you can't rely on them for meaning. Taking care of the elderly won't erase dread, trying to please people won't necessarily work at all. So what do you accomplish except helping people who are going to die anyway ? Here's the answer : if you hadn't helped them, they wouldn't have gotten help. If you weren't with them, they would be lonely. You might think that if you weren't there, someone else would be, but no, for nothing is granted. You accomplish what you accomplish, the help you give, is help you gave and that wouldn't have been otherwise. What happens after, the meaning behind the action, how people see it... Over time, it's meaningless. But the action itself has been done, and wouldn't have been otherwise. So instead of pursuing, and failing, at finding external meanings, excuses behind your actions, to find a "reason to live", let your actions become the meaning. Not meaningful in the future. Not to the universe. Not to humanity. But to you.
Its difficult not to feel the need to just let go of the wheel and stop fighting these days. It would be comforting to just let capitalism lead to anarchy by distancing yourself from all the politics and worries of acceleration. The problem i feel with that argument is when we do hit that turning point of climate change or a fascist government it'll be impossible to remove yourself from the worries or hardships. Better to strive for better now so if acceleration does ruin us we can at least say we tried.
Guattari wrote some really good material on responding to this crisis, although he died before accelerationism existed. He argues that we should use all of the knowledge we accumulated to fight against these pressures. He basically believed that this society could produce machines that could change this, but a serious problem in the way is how capitalism influences "subjectivity production" or the creation of a subject and how they interface themselves with the world. In other words, we think too capitalist! He firmly believed that we had to change collectively our social relationship with things like science, medicine and technology to actually change the world, and he stressed how it wasn't just a human problem but an ecological problem. This is why accelerationism is so frustrating because it's practically polar opposite of what Guattari believed. Accelerationism is fundamentally very fatalistic imho. Try reading Guattari's later books... 3 ecologies and chaosmosis are both relatively short and explains his feelings on this.
6:35 The audience member referred to here is my late friend, the alcoholic blues guitarist and unsolicited performance artist, Charlie “Bad Boy” Mitton. The truth is that he didn’t “storm out,” but was forcibly removed by campus security for being drunkenly disruptive, and it was while he was being slung out that he announced: “I’m a socialist, goddamn it!” - as if the security guys were going to say “Oh sorry sir, we didn’t realise. Please carry on.”
10:48 “If a drunken driver is at the wheel, it is not just the minister's job to comfort the relations of those he has killed, but if possible to seize the steering-wheel.” - Bonhoeffer
Imma say this: although he has a point, there are so many aspects of reality not mentioned in this theory that can, possibly invalidate the theory itself. I won't even mention the subjectively weird part
That's because his cultural criticism is based on an economically deterministic view of the world mixed up with some postmodern nihilistic hermeticism. Probably one of the reasons why he hasn't embraced Alain De Benoist thought who is a sociologist that has played a key role in the development of the modern alt right.
It's more a narrative or cultural lens than a theory. A way of introducing the problems of our age to thinkers in an engaging way. The Left calls this Theory.
Damn, how can one video make me think of so many things and perspectives I haven't even thought of? You are simply amazing Sisyphus55, thank you as always.
I always thought of accelerationism as a sort of societal nihilism. You don't have any hope for the near future and you are sure that things are going in the wrong direction while you can change anything, so the only solution is to give up and just see what will change. It is a scary thought
In most contexts I've heard it used it refers to a hyperextension and perhaps misunderstanding of a specific piece of Marxists theory. Basically stating that capitalism will inevitably head towards its own demise and so accelerating capitalism results in a further heightening and enhancement of the contradictions within capitalism. In a super oversimplified way of explaining thinking that the insane amount of inequality that would result would give the proletariat no other recourse than to violently overthrow their oppressors. Or in other words Lenin's statement that in the end the capitalists will sell us the rope with which to hang them. But taken to an extreme. Perhaps too literally. Accelerationism is the idea that you need to accelerate more to reach the end of capitalism, either via the end of humanity or the dawn of socialism/communism.
Nick Lands accalerationism and his outlook on the human experience in some ways reminded me of mainländer, but his practical application was the exact opposite, where mainländer wanted to reduce suffering, land wanted to increase it or simply disregards it. As someone who adores Mark Fisher or K-Punk, im always astaunished when land is explained to me again. Even though fisher and land had similar ideas, fisher reminds me in his practicality more of mainländer.
It's not about ignoring suffering, it's about surpassing and overcoming human suffering by immersing the human subject into capitalism under the tradition of European Nihilism and coming out the other side as a Lovecraftian cyborg.
Have you checked out the book cyclonopedia? It holds a few of Nick land's (or the ccru's) most interesting ideas, plus a bit of a different self-subsuming deleuzian perspective, that material forces become psychologically harmful autonomous elements. So my favorite part of their ideas is that the earth has a mind of its own and through psychological manipulation is causing people to enter into a symbiotic relationship of dependence, one which is actually parasitic because there was no benefit to be had which was not compelled
It's also more about recognizing the immutability of confusion, fear and anger at the unknown-- I have always shied away from Nick Land because of the weird unscientific linguistics shit he was into. That stuffs like brain poison. Suffering is perceptual and has to be conveyed. Maybe he just doesn't see how pervasive suffering is.
This has to be the shittiest poem in the galaxy's history, if an intelligent extraterrestrial picked up a book of human history they'd think this is some kind of a prank.
Great video, as always! You should talk more about Mark FIsher, Capitalist Realism was really an eye opener for me and it seems more relevant now than ever before!
I legit just bought the ccru book. Feels like you are reading my mind with the philosophy videos you put out and my own interests coinciding. Fucking scary.
Read cyclonopedia!! But also read anti-oedipus and even a thousand plateaus first. Deleuze and Guattari play an incredibly important role securely tying critical theory to postmodernism. And how that sentence would upset some idiots in Congress and the PTA..
I love Lord of Light, so glad to hear it being mentioned! I highly recommend it if you like Sci-Fi. It is not very long and I have re-read it many, many times.
At the risk of oversimplifying, accelerationism seems to be the suicidal impulses of a self-consciously intellectual person, albeit writ large and using big words. I.e. "I want to destroy myself, and I am smarter than most people and frequently correct; therefore, the smartest thing to do is to make everyone else suffer with me."
Realistically, any form of human progress that's left unregulated and without the goal of maximizing human flourishing is concerning. It's interesting to see how radically different his ideas were but I have yet to see how any authoritarian system is of benefit to anyone other than those who are in power...
Exactly. I wonder how my opinion on these things would change if I was no longer subject to those influences. I can’t imagine subscribing to a philosophy that doesn’t concern itself with the betterment of the lives of those who are oppressed by the current system and rather neglects them as nuisance.
@@misterdemocracy3335 i guess one benefit is to force people to strive to make a living for themselves and understand the fragility of life. but this is not the way
@@misterdemocracy3335 I don't concern myself with EVERY "Oppressed Population". That's not to say I don't think it's important to KNOW everyone.....I just....don't care about "some" of them 😂
Don't worry, the authoritarians will tell you, you just have to listen and believe, this time they have it, they're not just saying it, this is the real deal.
@@Illlium honestly I think authoritarianism is fine as long as it is traditionalist and Christian in nature. I used to be a libertarian hardcore, but unless everyone was a Christian it would never work.
Mr. Sisyphus I love you. thanks for making this channel it has, although I was already interested in it, pushed me to switch my major to philosophy so I can further my love. It may be crazy to say but this channel has made a big impact. :)
@@patf9770 I agree, hermetix is definitely better. But entropy and all he's tryna appeal to more people, so much of the signal is lost. But he did a better job than his Ted K thing here, maybe cause he takes him more seriously. I'm reminded due to the popularity of this video of Nick lands quote "as soon as the idea of accelerationism arrives on the market it will be too late". He made a couple big errors though, especially in his separation of capitalism and technology at the beggining, which it is essential within his framework to unify those concepts. Also his take on neoreaction is totally wrong, I don't know how he came up with that definition, maybe from some moldbug fans. Who knows though, maybe this is a cyberguerilla from the future, who's making this video seem like family friendly content, while obscuring his glistening cybernetics
@@sergio4660 all the other ones have me the feeling that I need to read Hegel and Deleuze (at least) in order to get what's going on. Not Actually has a couple great ones too
It's bizarre to me and perhaps expressive of the very American soul of the "movement" that accelerationists should believe that deregulation will intensify the pace of development of capitalism, when in practice it typically leads to calcification, investors becoming more conservative and rent-seeking due to the state neither offsetting risk nor intervening to limit the natural parasitism of finance capital. It also seems like a particularly low-engagement reading, as there are clearly some who make lots of noise about China (we should feel blessed for the documentation afforded us by a movement largely confined to Twitter), and "neo-China" is a particularly salient fixture of Land's writing.
Ah, should have watched through to the end. I would have liked to se more on this tension between deregulation and figures like Trump, and the proposition that China is the quintessential example of an accelerationist society.
It may be because it's not really giving up, it's like walking away from a roulette table after not spending a dime. Ruckus grew too incessant and drinks started spilling, time to jacket up and leave this den of debauchery.
It is only giving up if your most fundamental identity is human. If you have something within you that is deeper than humanity, the process that brought us about and will continue move past us, accelerating past what we are is the carrying out of a mission, not giving up. How sad it would be if this was failed, and humanity was the high-point of life before it fizzled out into the cold.
@@zack49 so tell me please - what is it then thats deeper than human in humanity itself? It's like saying a circle should focus on being square, it doesn't make sense. To me it feels like you are humanizing this so called process, a process which will continue to exist anyways even if we continue to exist or not. This process isn't human-oriented, you are humanizing it, which is a grave error. Life (which I think is the process which you refer to is) will continue with or without us. As humanity it is impossible to focus on anything other than humanity itself, we shouldn't try to move 'past' anything.
@@Vitorruy1 Our viewpoint is the human viewpoint, we can only do what seems best to us. People don't stop having kids because of the fact that some of them will turn out suicidal. In fact, it probably never crosses most people's minds during sex. People are hardwired to create new life just as the larger system of evolution is, and somthing past human will come inevitably simply as a result of our collective actions.
tfw you watch a video talking about a philosophy of acceleration of progress through capitalism and in the middle of it there is an ad break about a service which uses AI to help people deal with mental stress and insomnia...
Have considered doing a video on Max Stirner? I just finished reading the Unique and his property and I find it in a way protoneichzian. But there is also a sense of humor in his work with the word play he uses.
Sense of humor is an understatement, it's rare to find so much sarcasm in a philosophy text after Kant, and I think some parts are straight out parody of Hegelian logic and book structure. I'm not sure if I want an overview of the book on youtube, I think that can only go wrong.
You forgot the OG accelerationist: “But, in general, the protective system of our day is conservative, while the free trade system is destructive. It breaks up old nationalities and pushes the antagonism of the proletariat and the bourgeoisie to the extreme point. In a word, the free trade system hastens the social revolution. It is in this revolutionary sense alone, gentlemen, that I vote in favor of free trade.” ― Karl Marx, On the Question of Free Trade
@@asukayin6487 Marx in general had some “accelerationist” views. His analysis of how capitalism is driven through crisis and has the tendency to fluctuate is somethin accelerationist thinkers borrow.
In my opinion, the modern movement toward free trade has clearly done the opposite of exacerbating class antagonism. The qualities which Marx identifies as making the proletariat an ideal revolutionary class no longer applies to the workforces of modern post-industrial societies. The proletariat wasn't just equal to all working people, but specifically industrial workers who had a close relationship with large, fixed pieces of capital, such as factories and mines. Their proxitimity to the most valuable means of production would allow them to quickly seize control of the economy and install the dictatorship of the proletariat. However, most first world countries don't employ many industrial laborers but instead are primarily service economies. First world countries exported most industrial labor overseas in the latter 20th century and now its hard to find many finished products that are not largely produced overseas. In effect the first world has already exported the "revolutionary class" that Marx was waiting to arrive, so accelerating things won't change anything in America or Europe. And the countries which industry was exported to already encourage the kind of brutally unreglated capitalism accelerationist seem to prefer, so there's not much else to do if you're one of them. China is an example of a country which ran through the entire industrial revolution in a few decades and now has begun to catch up the the first world, and they're repeating the same process, exporting industrial labor overseas.
@@MrJethroha the simple counterpoint is that the proletariat is now all working people. Service economies still need labour to function, even with automation, and if anything are more susceptible to fissures because of its tenuous interlinked nature. Tube strikes in London were reported to cost £10 million per day, nationwide rail strikes £600 million per day, cost being attributed to absences mostly. It’s not free trade that has quieted class antagonism, it’s atomisation, paper tiger trade unions, aggressive governments, etc etc. By the way, not telling you how to suck eggs, but even the Operaismos disregarded Marx’s specific definition of the proletariat and that was way back in the 70s. It’s long been understood that the proletariat ain’t swinging an axe or hammering steel no more.
I don’t understand this guy 🤣. Like where does he see himself in that system? And once he gets there what does that mean to him? I’m assuming his goal isn’t any kind of enjoyment, unless he’s part of sovereignty, but what about everyone else? Like it makes no sense, and anyone who actually sees merit in the ideals is most likely a bullied edgy 14 year old who hasn’t experienced enough of life.
I think that Lands line of thought on “human experience” makes a bit more sense with its context though Nietzsche’s moral thought. In the genealogy of morals, Nietzsche makes the point that language often logically misunderstands the dynamic between will and subject by assuming that the expression of strength is intrinsically tied to the identity which exercises it, like a popular interpretation “Simon killed the rabbit”, where Simon is the causal component to the death of the rabbit. What is more realistic, in Nietzsche’s eyes, is that the impulse which justifies higher mans use of will over the lower man is fundamentally autonomous and constitutes its own nervous system of ideology, hence making the “killing” of the rabbit the essential subject of the proposition. Land interprets the struggles and contradictions of humanism as the ‘plebeian’ equivalent of the algorithmic and self-certain values of capitalism and technology, which can fabricate its own propositions and thus its own image of god.
try to disagree with the concept accelerationism is like disagree historical materialism, you can dislike or not the groups that used that real social concept, but you can't deny their existence or prevent it by just disliking and not doing nothing. Thats just like trying to stop a car crush you by just ignoring it insteads of just run.
Get the feeling he hates his body, kind of like when you're having an out of body experience researching something, you think you've made some amazing connections that open up some kind of metaphysical portal to new understanding of everything, but you realise you're hungry, and have been hungry the last 2 or 3 days, but you can't be bothered to eat so you curse your body for existing and wish technology would hurry up already and transfer you onto some kind of collective consciousness machine. Or maybe he's bipolar
Prolly addicted to meth and intellectualized it. But you're on to something. Post-modernity and structuralist's embarrassingly phrased "daring deconstruction" of the subject rejected any notion of human nature. Which - I find the fact that Foucault not being able to really respond to Chomskys position that our ability to know language is a universal human behavior in that debate to be the most simple rejection of that notion. But it trying to destroy the subject in subject/object is fundamentally ridiculous. Simply by the premise that if there was no separation from subject to object - post-modernity/structuralism could not exist. Unless the knowing philosopher telling me is somehow magically inclined. Similarly - its strange for me to believe that one could conceive of different societies built from any outside coming in instead of within the system itself. Humanism is unavoidable unless you want to be a religious nutcase or Nick Land.
@@Se7enth351 The "will and intellect" does not exist outside the body. They are purely organic in their base and essence. Also "the soul" is another platonic make-believe.
I had a dream that Sisyphus made a video on Aleister Crowley, it would be interesting he kind of had a huge impact on occult traditions as the exist today, and inspired later movements that challenged the role of religious fundamentalism in the State, and he also opened occult practices to the public where they were previously only known and practiced behind the closed doors of aristocrats, i recommend it as a future video
I’m understanding Accelerationism not as a philosophy, but as a fixation on the presumed inevitabilities of society. This fixation can lead to beliefs, and cultish tendencies. I don’t consider it a philosophy however, for philosophy is ultimately the study of self… there’s still more to unpack, accelerationism is an idea that overlooks the tenacity of the human self… yeah
I think things are already moving much MUCH too fast as is. In my eyes humanity was never meant to be changing so insanely fast. However, this speed can be used for good but nowadays defeatism seems all the rage. Well... it's also insanely hard to do anything when half of people nowadays are depressed and/or suicidal. I can barely take care of myself and i have to actually meet people to even try to make a tiny change? Damn
Accelerationism is just hypernihilism, where it's not even that existence doesn't matter and so we shouldn't care what happens, but that we should actively make existence not matter by accelerating the processes that bring about its destruction. It sounds a lot to me like someone that begins fantasizing their own suicide, and end up self destructing in their everyday to bring them closer and closer to that actualization. What's scary to me is that accelerationism has implicitly been adopted by many in the new generation. Apocalyptic thinking is fashionable. Post post modernity has brain washed us into hating the world which gave us no future, and in so doing we are accelerating the end. No wonder suicide rates have skyrocketed.
This is not related to post-postmodernism... it is opposed to nihilism to some extent in fact. Accellerationism isn't really about accellerating things; it's rather the understanding that things are speeding up, culturally, technologically, sociologically, everything gets more complex at an accellerating rate, regardless of what we do. It is simply an acknowledgement that we have very, very little control.
@@scriabinismydog2439 While post post modernism wasn't directly related to this to begin with, I think it is a natural ally to this thinking. If it were merely the recognition that things are accelerating, yeah I could get behind that, because that much is evident. We are fast approaching a paradigm shift, one way or another. But as Sisyphus says in the video, it's not just a recognition of the fact but a hastening of it. And this I do not agree with. Post post modernists rejection of everything including its own rejection seems ripe for apocalyptic thinking to me. But perhaps I've not read enough of the actual literature to say one way or another. I'm mostly going off of this video, Jreg's comments in various videos, and conversations with someone who liked fanged noumena. If you got a decent defense of accelerationism, I'd be glad to hear it.
You write this as if the goal of the acceleration is destruction for the sake of itself, but by most proponents the's instead to plow through capitalism to the next stage. If you got a fallen apart house full of mold, you might tear it down to place your new house on its ground. As opposed to telling your grandchildren to carrying on the legacy of waiting for many generations until the house has deteriorated by itself. The accelerationist case (which goes back to Marx) is that you use the "inherent contradictions within the system" to break it.
Gotta admit you lost me when you said “the Satanist, Aleister Crowley.” Wasn’t Crowley a Hermeticist who later converted to his own religion, Thelema? I don’t know that he was particularly Satanic
Crowley was an occult thinker who followed hermetic philosophy and teachings of the golden dawn, he betrayed the golden dawn only to start his own society, the A∴A∴ and is still followed today by many chaos mages and other post modern magicians, not exclusively satanists. sis55’s assessment of nick land isn’t necessary incorrect but the wide brush he paints in the effort to stick closely to Christian morality (but not Christian “teachings” or Christian ideals,) and materialism shows that in trying to show the fallacy of land’s meth fueled neurotica he is willing to trample over metaphysics and ontology in his attempt to do so. That is his choice to make, but I found it very midwitty to immediately gloss over an aspect of land based off of what your church going mom says about Crowley. Crowley had many satanic symbols in his system and at his core was a very dysfunctional person, but the satanic symbols in his system exist for their cabalistic significance, (something land talks ingeniously of including in cryptocurrency) and when calling himself “the beast” or “the beast 666” was only part of his tragic character and his personal complexes. to separate the man from his teachings is very important not only for nick land (which, if you’re not already discarding your perspective temporarily when you’re reading opposing opinions then what are you doing?) but for Crowley as well. I endorse people to instead of listening to someone gloss over an oddball like Crowley, to go balls to the wall if interested and simply see what he was about. don’t just stick to modernist-Christian and Aristotelian models of the world, make your own discoveries and conclusions. you cannot fathom how large your head really is.
I find comments like yours so strangely condescending. Did someone "lost you" because they made a simple mistake? Have you ever tried to build a video like this?
It’s scary how all these fringe philosophies nowadays debate with one another on the best way to make “progress”, with no regard to morality. Not all change is progress, and just because we CAN do something doesn’t mean we SHOULD. Several of these beliefs definitely sound like they could be used as justification for some human atrocities.
Its more like there is no "going back" to a pre-capitalist pre-nietzsche world. In Nick Land's work, he writes about how humans essentially have 0 control over "the system" and politics at this point has become people desperately trying and failing to direct the bomb that is capitalism. From WW1, WW2, modern wars etc desperately trying to reign in control over techno capital and still failing. Morals really dont fit in anywhere here. Its an old vestige of religion that died long ago.
All of these comments that oppose Land calling him a suicidal nihilist, etc.!are devoid of an understanding of Land’s work on Weber and how the praxeological laws of the market necessarily dictate the movements of the human subject. Land is only make descriptions, never does he make a prescription. There isn’t an eschatology in (Landian) accelerationism, because there is never an end, nor is there a means…
The only Acc's that matter is U, Z and R. As Z is seeing the process of markets as negative feedback while r as positive. Land now is more of an u/acc rather than a r/acc it seems to me. They also should've done a reading of xenosystems lmao, as one of the most important aspects is to oppose universalism.
I met Nick Land before 1992 when he came to give a talk at our university. I was on the student committee in the philosophy department responsible for finding interesting speakers and inviting them along, and when I found Land's name in a catalogue I noticed in his research interests he'd included 'Thanatography'. I knew enough Greek to have an idea how intriguing that was, plus I think his other interests also sounded worth checking out, so I got him invited. It will have been 1991 or so. He gave a talk on how humans were creating digital technology that will replace us, and how this was just the latest stage in evolution in some way. Of course there was more to it but I can't remember, plus actually there wasn't a huge amount to it and he was quite slow and repetitive in his delivery with lots of tongue-clicking. It wasn't taken terribly seriously by anybody, least of all the staff of course, and I don't think there was much Q&A or discussion. The Warwick department was seen as heavily into Continental Philosophy and Critical Theory which were generally seen as suspect. Afterwards I got a chance to ask him about Thanatography. Had he actually in some way seen death and been able to draw or write about it? Yes, he said, in the sense of altered state experiences under the influence of certain drugs. So I inferred that he felt that in some of these experiences he'd died and observed what death was like, before coming back to life and being able to write about it. Not what we might immediately think of for such a word, but what he felt justified a term meaning "writing about death". There was no sign at this point of any right-wing or neo-reactionary thinking. But there was an idea that we should accept the rise of new forces that will overtake us. Crowley wasn't a Satanist BTW.
That was extremely well done. I've been trying to get a handle on accelerationist philosophy for a minute because I have noticed that, at least in my part of the country, notions like that seem to be emerging from the background of lazy nihilism prevalent among my peers. It sounds like Nick land had some major personal problems that are shared with quite a few of my peers in the Midwest, namely an affinity for dangerous substances. His fascination with Crowley is also, in my experience, quite telling because Crowley had a sort of obsession with filth and degeneration in that he found it to be a beautiful process within his worldview. An appreciation for filth seems like it could very easily lead to an appreciation for the products of technocapitalism.
He failed to mention how Land sees the CEO monarch as being elected by and serving a board of shareholders who own the resources of the area the CEO controls. Sounds more terrifying if you just call it totalitarianism as Sisyphus did when all it's really for is formalizing existing power and stripping out unnecessary beurocracy.
@@kosh9019 some men would rather live under a more capable state, albeit more overtly tyrannical. Democracies are known to be ineffective and are not without their own tyranny
What did Land hope to achieve with this bizarre implementation of accelerationism? What is the end goal? It doesn't seem to have one. It just seems to push towards ever more suffering with no payoff.
@antimagik corp I see plenty of suffering today, and it's going to get worse with climate change. The track were on right now will only get worse unless we make radical changes to our mode of production. But besides that, I still don't see the goal of accelerationism. Atleast in Land's sense.
@antimagik corp so there is no goal is what I'm getting from this. Just a nihilistic push towards ever increasing production at the cost of the human species with no benefit.
@@Alex_Barbosa The point is to formalize a sophisticated argument which can be taken up by those who know they will benefit from the continued acceleration as a cudgel to beat brows with. Powerful people want to be loved, and yet they have defected in our global game of prisoner's dilemma. They must convince us that - actually - it's for our own good that they sold us out. They worship intelligence, and consider belief in trust to be a weakness, so there is no internal conflict in lying to your face, while also desperately wanting your approval. They need to trick us so they can remind themselves how much better they are than us, so as to feel good for the suffering they cause. Do not make the mistake of believing these ideas are communicated in good faith. They are tools. We are witness to communication via the toolmakers's paradigm, but we live in the sectors devoid of trees, so how could the schematics for a shovel be useful for us?
@antimagik corp capitalism clearly has some benefit but I don't see the benefit of going balls-to-the-wall while disregarding individuals. I don't understand Land's endgame.
I’m not sure trump can really be described as accelerationst or hyper capitalist. A lot of his campaign was about trying to induce protectionist trade policy to protect jobs which seems anathema to the idea of “accelerating progress” at all costs
I go to Warwick and you get quite a few edgy philosophy undergrads that are obsessed with accelerationism. It's a shame because parts of the theory are very interesting, especially Fisher's Capitalist Realism, but it's tarnished by the awful treatment of race which makes the topic near untouchable without feeling a bit squeamish. Great video!
Currently reading the lord of light i wouldnt say that there is much similarity between those accelerationists and our own since those in the book wanted to democratize technology to achieve greater justice and prosperity. They thought that the system in place was broken and wanted to fix it not drive it to a quicker demise.
Sounds like these are those noobs that hear "the call of the void" (So to say that little, ner listened to, voice in some people when they look off of a bridge or a cliff that says "Let's Jump!") and actually freaking listened to it XD
"The Satanist Aleister Crowley"- even the most basic bit of research reveals that Crowley was not a Satanist, makes you wonder what else this guy has got completely wrong...
@@Illlium depending on an individual's viewpoint, any branch of philosophy could be considered 'wacky' and therefore indistinguishable from other branches that they considered similar. I.e from a highly religious viewpoint then all materialist philophies could be potentially lumped together and you could conclude that both Dawkins and Stalin were/are more or less espousing the same ideas as you consider the defining details irrelevant. When it comes to studying philosophy the defining details between one set of ideas and another are extremely important and this applies just as equally to esoteric and occult philosophy. The differences between Satanism and Western Hermeticism and Thelema are as significant as the differences between Druidism and Catholicism and Islam. Describing Crowley as a Satanist is like describing Osama Bin Laden as a militant Druid, just completely innacurate.
@@joesmithson1026 as someone that rejects supernatural claims to me it's a distinction without a difference. As far as we know Crowley wasn't a violent or malicious person, and neither are the vast majority of Satanists. Which name he flung on his banner is as important to me as which sports clubs he supported.
ill come back to this again, not sure what I think yet.... i find it strange, yet I wont dismiss it just yet. we did go from kindoms to democracy, maybe we should go from democracy to something else.. Thanks for making this video. Food for thought.
Estar de acuerdo con lo que Land profesa es literalmente dejar a la hegemonía ser lo que quiere ser, es la salida más fácil. El miedo que despide puede olerse a leguas de distancia.
Please read “braiding sweet grass” or “how to do nothing”. De-colonial philosophical perspectives are particularly important right now. My personal feeling is that ideas like accelerationism and nihilism are the final ideological death throws of western colonialism. Something new is coming.
@@appleislander8536 yeah bro let me just write my anti colonial manifesto in my ancestors language that was spoken by 300 people before being wiped out of existence after we got shipped to boarding schools. the bible, deploring the roman empire, ended up being written in latin. laugh all you want, the negation of the western world will happen with western words.
@@toddberkely6791 And in that 'negation', the West will become immortal. Christianity was born of Rome, and in Christendom, Romanitas found immortality!
Here's my manifesto written in English for those curious about Colonial vs. De-colonial mindsets: @@appleislander8536 I think you're right, it is funny that I'm writing in English. I also think it's funny that, for whatever reason, I've decided to bite on your bait and show you what I feel colonization is. Mostly because I doubt it'll work. Colonial mindsets in the west and their associated genocides have been happening since the Romans slaughtered and enslaved the Celts, likely before. People have been fanboying Julius Caesar since that account was popularized again in the Enlightenment period. It was part of the motivation behind manifest destiny, behind slavery in Africa, and behind the American genocide. Nietzsche was also a big fan of Julius Caesar, and though it seems he may have been against anti-Semitism, his philosophies became popular among the Nazis. This fascination with Caesar and infatuation with the brutality of roman war is part of what made the Nazis what they were and is the origin of the term Third Reich. The Nazis also claimed to be inspired partially by behavior in the Americas. Native scholars say that if you want to know what the world would be like if the Nazis had won, you should look at the US. All this to say, yes, America won. The influences behind it were pretty fucked, but there's nothing we can do to change the past. I'm writing in English, my life is the way that it is because of colonization, and the Roman legacy lives on. Of course... only in the moment and only because it is continuously resuscitated. Read Urn Burial by Browne or Ozymandias by Shelley to see how useful immortality is or how real. Plus, what is the cost of the farcical immortality? Let's test the limits of your emotional imagination. Go slow. Imagine. Feel for a moment what it would be like for your mother to die. What if she was murdered in front of you? What if she was in great pain? Now feel that for your father. For a brother, a sister, a friend. What if all this happened out of sight, but you walked into the aftermath? Or what if you heard about it in a distant place? What if you knew they were alive, but you didn't know where, or what was happening to them, just that they couldn't escape or fight back? What kind of panic might you feel, as manacles clicked closed around your wrists, as you watched someone being raped nearby? What would the air smell like as your house burned? What would it feel like to walk barefoot through snow? What would it be like to die from a plague? To be dumped in a pile of bodies because you're too weak to move your lips? What would it feel like to starve to death? To have someone betray you, take whatever you have left at gunpoint, and then claim to your face that they are saving you, that they are civilizing you? How would it feel to look into their eyes? Would they seem human? How would it feel, generations later, to know all this happened to your grandparents, or great-grandparents? That there was never justice? How would it feel to look into the eyes of the descendent of the man with the gun, and hope there would be some new understanding? What if you had given up hope there ever would be? How would it feel to be the son of the man with the gun and to be running toward something, running and running, but not knowing why? To look back at the destruction, to remember the cruelty, to try and justify it, and to not be able to bear looking at it. To run forward looking for the thing that will make the pit go away, make the death go away, make everything ok, but it's still there, chasing you. "If I can just pass it on, if I can just pass it on," repeating in your head. What a nightmare, don't you think? We look at history so as to not repeat the mistakes of our ancestors. If this is the price of immortality via colonization, extraction, and capitalism, is it worth it? Or do you just become immortal because you leave a scar on the world? How different is this immortality from the immortality of those columbine school shooters? Or a serial killer? If our lives are ultimately what we experience, why create that kind of hell for so many people, when it won't even solve the problem you're having in the first place? What chance does being the new generation offer? Is it possible to stop the cycle? My personal belief is that it is possible to stop the cycle; that individuals can choose to return to a respect for life and each other; and that to grow into that wouldn't require a loss of culture, knowledge, or technology if we're creative. I also think that the people who are lashing out, controlling, and trying to establish immortality are harming more than they're helping. They're trying to solve a problem by either running away from it or by making it worse. To "deplore western colonialism" is more about taking responsibility and refusing to be an idiot than anything else. Acknowledging suffering doesn't negate beauty, but it does allow us to move forward.
Conservatives: Let’s feed everyone else to the capitalist death machine. Liberals: Let’s not feed everyone to the capitalist death machine. Leftists: Maybe we shouldn’t feed anyone to the capitalist death machine. Accelerationists: I for one welcome our new death machine overlords
Wow I didn’t expect that and it was great, thanks. Was feeling depressed and laying in bed and that flipped my script. Watched it twice to absorb and enjoy the humor, and yeah there’s definitely some real world scary shit in there, when confronted with it you have to laugh a little. I’m definitely going to make a govcorp shirt. Or smoke a joint. I do think his choice of chemicals played a part in his worldview, and again, wow. That was fun
I find myself completely lost after watching these types of videos. I only hold a bachelor’s, I certainly don’t claim to be an SME. But my current frustration at not only the government but the massive corporations that currently “govern” more of my day to life than the corrupt politicians I “elected” leaves me with a want for change that I don’t know how to enact
To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Fanged Noumena. The theory is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of Schizo-Analysis most of the insights will go over a typical readers head. There's also Land’s accelerationist outlook, which is deftly woven into his characterisation - his personal philosophy draws heavily from Thus Spoke Zarathustra, for instance. The Landians understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these theory-fictions, to realize that they're not just philosophy- they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike Fanged Noumena truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the depravity in Land’s existential catchphrase “coldness be my god,” which itself is a cryptic reference to Deleuze and Guattari’s Italian epic Anti-Oedipus. I’m smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Nick Land’s genius unfolds itself on the pages. What fools... how I pity them. 😂 And yes by the way, I DO have a Fanged Noumena tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the ladies' eyes only- And even they have to demonstrate that they meet two of the DSM-5 diagnostic criteria for schizophrenia (preferably more) beforehand.
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'Satanist Aleister Crowley'
I mean, no not really a satanist, the demons crowley fixated on had their basis in ancient egypt more so than anything christian, a minor correction
I mean if I were a Satanist I'd pick him to rep me over LaVey, but it would admittedly be a bit dishonest.
In the vulgar sense Crowley was a Satanist, He admitted as such multiple times and his correspondence with Symonds reasserts such feat. Symonds also referenced how Crowley honoured a whole council of hebrew/christian demons.
My view is that Crowley was a Satanist, and yet more than a Satanist. Crowley could be called a Sinister Pyrrhoist.
The rituals to Apep reassert this position, the same regarding the Set-Hoori conflation.
Achad in his turn to Christianity also reasserts this as fact.
Motta does the same, and regardless the grades and successory disputes his research and commentary is cirurgically on point, and this fact alone is the motivator of most thelemite hate against him today, he talked too much and he was as public as Crowley was.
Crowley references to Jesus Christ and The Holy Spirit, specially on the Farewell (a passkey) in the OTO IX° are not only self referential (him as beast ie. vesper ie. the star in the west) but also the holy ghost as satan. This interchangeability is openly introduced in The Wake World in the proper arcana.
The same applies to the communications in which Sorat is vehicle.
Crowley embracing of "The World" in the most offensive biblical sense is also testimony enough.
To Crowley the Father Christ references is not the Demiurge. In fact Crowley equates the Demiurge with Satan and with a whole different God Father from the Christians. Authentic Sinister Gnosticism.
@@LNVACVAC And that's fair. I think I tend towards a perspective that acknowledges the Gnostic conceits a bit more readily, but I will concede that my biases are my own.
@@dustind4694 RUclips is deleting my answers.
Crowley basically promoted Pneumatikoi and Phibionite practices as Gnostic Acceleration, but in place of bringing the second coming and stealing light from the Arkons, to solidify his kingdom as beast and coming/awakening of other instrumental satanic avatars.
He's not either/or
You've gotta watch this video at 2x for the full experience
"Every time Sisyphus says ___ the video doubles in speed."
I advise watching every video In two times speed cuts out the natural thinking pauses in speech
I think it's more of a joke bcs in the video sisyphus talks about acceleration and speeding up things
Start in .25 and slowly move up to 4x
April fool's video opportunity
“We're Americans. We don't quit just because we're wrong. We just keep doing the wrong thing until it turns out right.” -Ed Wuncler
Can't wait for that national debt to fucking implode
Let's Not You wouldn't be alive by then
@@LordFakmorIII By implode I mean the bad kind
@@sibanbgd100 lmao
What an obsession with America. So bad, but also so eager to open its borders to others. Somehow America is the worst and the best for progressives.
"Capitalism crushes the human spirit -BUT FIRST A WORD FROM OUR SPONSOR "
I love free markets but hate authorianism. Why can't just one us state remain free?
@@beareble-lion4446 Your position makes no sense. If markets are unregulated, then giant megacorps are naturally gonna arise and a huge amount of power over everyone else.
@@robinvik1 That's already a thing
@@cthonicobservations1743 Exactly.
@@robinvik1 Unless the sole function of the government is to enforce individual liberties.
When your strats to win Civ by turn 150 turn into your personal philosophy
Sums it up.
Speederun
this but unironically
you ever notice in Civ V how democracy basically never wins, except maybe in very rare, improbably lucky circumstances? It's always fascism or communism that take over the world. and usually through brutal total war, often nuclear war. especially on higher difficulty levels.
you notice how fragile democracy seems to be in our actual world?
sometimes, you start to wonder if maybe the AI is right...
@@ivandiaz5791 hey. Hey just wanted to explain to you the point of the joke. Civ is a game where humanity is a competitive game of nations. Its literally gamifying human history.
The joke is that wouldn’t it be crazy if people thought that being a human and interacting with other humans on a universal scale was made into some arbitrary game?
@@BenvolioZF thing is.. that kind of is a lot of people’s world views.. just an arbitrary game of competing ideologies
More than anything, thanks to his prolific public presence, Nick presents both a highly illustrative model for and cautionary tale about the dangers of long term amphetamine abuse
I agree. A talented person addicted to speed is not significantly more impressive in his output than a guy with a swastika tattooed on his forehead living in an unregistered car parked in the desert.
Well, Lands worldview was ahead of its time and will be recognized as the better alternative to the democratic sham most people in the west still believe in today, so I guess the amphetamines didn't hurt.
That is such bullshit. I bet you would gladly take cancer medication even if it was invented by a guy on speed@@claesvanoldenphatt9972
There is literally no proof abt it lol
"Night City was like a deranged
experiment in social Darwinism, designed by a bored researcher who kept one thumb permanently on
the fast-forward button." - William Gibson, Neuromancer
Did you consciously change "Chiba City" to "Night City?" Clever reference either way.
@@dethkon Night City is the name of a small area in Chiba (in neuromancer.) That commenter didn’t change anything.
Night City from the recent cyberpunk game is totally unrelated
@@k.s.9400 Thanks for the correction. Is Night City that place where Molly sort of follows/stalks Case through the club/arena and flatline's an assassin? Or is it the part of Chiba where like, Case's coffin at "Cheap Hotel" is? Kinda close to where his junkie, prostitute ex-girlfriend meets him to try and scam some money off him in the beginning? I haven't read Neuromancer in some time...
@@dethkon "Behind the port lay the city, factory domes dominated by the vast cubes of corporate arcologies. Port and city were divided by a narrow borderland of older streets, an area with no official name. Night City, with Ninsei its heart. By day, the bars down Ninsei were shuttered and featureless, the neon dead, the holograms inert, waiting, under the poisoned silver sky"
@@dethkon The vanilla Cyberpunk genre always have a "night city" as a setting: always raining, neon lights, being a seedy unforgiving hellhole where dying is a preferable alternative to living...
this is what it sounds like when philosophy professors get hooked on amphetamines...
Because, it is
It’s pretty much one of the best substances a philosopher can use.
@@johnnyjacuzzi7498 in a post-individual view in which philosophy as a whole becomes comparable to a brain and each philosopher becomes a train of thought, then for each philosopher to take amphetamine and accelerate their own thinking faster than their natural (as in, unpredictable and affected by all the variables of life) experience and learning can account for... yes. the alternative to this is that each philosopher has a fair balanced view of life and thinks as he pleases....
yeah, amphetamines sound like a good idea. do got the crash tho...
im sorry to hammer this home, but the entire section on the Ccru left much to be desired. Sadie Plant was not a Land sidekick; she founded the Ccru, not him. Crowley was not a Satanist and the Ccru literally wrote a text making fun of people who thought they were Satanists. it was not an accelerationist/neoreactionary research unit, and in fact, neither of those terms or viewpoints even existed at the time
Ccru subjects of interest were cyberfeminism, unorthodox semiotics, theories of sound, new understandings of textuality and fiction, and an extremely radical critique of the coherence of time. all of this is expressed elegantly in their occult work, which was not a tacked-on drug-addled deviation, rather a rigorous systematization of what had already been done. painting the work that many people, including many women, poured into this project as just a product of one man's drug addiction is enormously sketchy scholarship
I'm reading Sadie Plant's _Zero's and One's_ right now.
@@dethkon as you should! it's such an incredibly rich text. it also has one of the best openings of almost any book
As a paganarchist who considers Al Crowley to be essentially to me what Leo Tolstoy is to Christian anarchists I die a bit inside every time someone describes Frater Perdurabo as a Satanist.
@@tjenadonn6158 i empathize completely. thelemite-lemurian solidarity in having this particular problem
@@lilliansimons5802 And it's not even as if Satanists are bad people. I dated a Theistic Satanist for a while and he was an absolute gentleman in every capacity. It's just that describing Crowley and Thelema as Satanic is just as far off the mark as describing the Dalai Lama and Tibetan Buddhism as Christian. If you're going to get into fringe philosophers (speaking of which I'd like to see him try to make heads or tails of Robert Anton Wilson and the rest of the Discordians) at least get their philosophy right.
I hate this assumption of inevitability. That there's some magical arrow of time that will only take us in one direction, that we can't go backwards or stagnate, it denies the countless different directions in which we could take society.
We live in a world of endless possibilities and these nihilistic arseholes are busy turning their suicidal depression into a philosophy.
I have to agree with you: inevitability doesn't make much sense when you consider the power that individuals can have over society and therefore the course of history. Its hard to predict complex systems, and few systems are more complex than society.
If time is infinite, then eventually humans will be left to nothing, be nothing. Our lives will mean nothing, so why does it matter? I’m not suicidal but I don’t want to die. But I do look at the recent report on climate change at the UN and think that their is not reason to be alive. I don’t think that it’s impossible to have humans live forever but right now, it seems kinda hard to picture us surviving past this century. That’s where the nihilism comes from. It’s not inevitable but it seems damn close.
@@spicy1375 If you think about the infinity of time and of the bearing of our actions in that spectrum, then yes, our actions have little consequences in that regard. However, we are all only one individual. What matters to us, the things we think fondly of, the things we hate, all of this matters from a subjective point of view.
Let's say you were working in a company that helps the elderly. What do you accomplish ? Are you giving motivation for the younger generations to not worry about their future ? Are you trying to please people, and making them remember you as a good person ? These exemples are variable, you can't rely on them for meaning. Taking care of the elderly won't erase dread, trying to please people won't necessarily work at all.
So what do you accomplish except helping people who are going to die anyway ? Here's the answer : if you hadn't helped them, they wouldn't have gotten help. If you weren't with them, they would be lonely. You might think that if you weren't there, someone else would be, but no, for nothing is granted. You accomplish what you accomplish, the help you give, is help you gave and that wouldn't have been otherwise. What happens after, the meaning behind the action, how people see it... Over time, it's meaningless. But the action itself has been done, and wouldn't have been otherwise. So instead of pursuing, and failing, at finding external meanings, excuses behind your actions, to find a "reason to live", let your actions become the meaning. Not meaningful in the future. Not to the universe. Not to humanity. But to you.
unrelated but dope PFP my guy
@@spicy1375 Are things valuable only if they last forever? Why not embrace the good things in life now, even if they fall prey to entropy one day?
Wow! I was just thinking about you.
Very glad to see this, thanks for making my day. Im going to make the most of it!!!
OMG I WAS JUST THINKING ABOUT NICK LAND
Not really, I just wanted to be part of the fun
Owo?
Hyperstitioned the video into reality
Its difficult not to feel the need to just let go of the wheel and stop fighting these days. It would be comforting to just let capitalism lead to anarchy by distancing yourself from all the politics and worries of acceleration. The problem i feel with that argument is when we do hit that turning point of climate change or a fascist government it'll be impossible to remove yourself from the worries or hardships. Better to strive for better now so if acceleration does ruin us we can at least say we tried.
Guattari wrote some really good material on responding to this crisis, although he died before accelerationism existed. He argues that we should use all of the knowledge we accumulated to fight against these pressures. He basically believed that this society could produce machines that could change this, but a serious problem in the way is how capitalism influences "subjectivity production" or the creation of a subject and how they interface themselves with the world. In other words, we think too capitalist! He firmly believed that we had to change collectively our social relationship with things like science, medicine and technology to actually change the world, and he stressed how it wasn't just a human problem but an ecological problem.
This is why accelerationism is so frustrating because it's practically polar opposite of what Guattari believed.
Accelerationism is fundamentally very fatalistic imho. Try reading Guattari's later books... 3 ecologies and chaosmosis are both relatively short and explains his feelings on this.
@@PunishedFelix agreed. Accelerationism is the natural manifestation of a capitalist progression.
@@alfinkemal9133 you're 100% right!!
Spitin facts
Capitalism run amok is NOT anarchy - it is antithetical to anarchy, and generally fascistic. Anarchy means "without rulers"
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The audience member referred to here is my late friend, the alcoholic blues guitarist and unsolicited performance artist, Charlie “Bad Boy” Mitton.
The truth is that he didn’t “storm out,” but was forcibly removed by campus security for being drunkenly disruptive, and it was while he was being slung out that he announced: “I’m a socialist, goddamn it!” - as if the security guys were going to say “Oh sorry sir, we didn’t realise. Please carry on.”
Great story and well-written, I can visualise it. Thank you for sharing.
Things that never happened
10:48 “If a drunken driver is at the wheel, it is not just the minister's job to comfort the relations of those he has killed, but if possible to seize the steering-wheel.” - Bonhoeffer
Nice to see someone quoting Dietrich Bonhoeffer, didn't expect it.
Sadly, Boenhoeffer thought Hitler was the enemy instead of the Anglo Zionists and their funding of Bolshevism.
Boenhoeffer was on the wrong side.
Imma say this: although he has a point, there are so many aspects of reality not mentioned in this theory that can, possibly invalidate the theory itself. I won't even mention the subjectively weird part
Exactly this
That's because his cultural criticism is based on an economically deterministic view of the world mixed up with some postmodern nihilistic hermeticism. Probably one of the reasons why he hasn't embraced Alain De Benoist thought who is a sociologist that has played a key role in the development of the modern alt right.
It's more a narrative or cultural lens than a theory. A way of introducing the problems of our age to thinkers in an engaging way. The Left calls this Theory.
Damn, how can one video make me think of so many things and perspectives I haven't even thought of?
You are simply amazing Sisyphus55, thank you as always.
same here, this is very thought-provoking!
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@@talhanin8190 נהדר מה איתך?
@@nate.5642 thanks
@@אביבאיגל שלומי טוב מאוד אביב, שמח לראות צופים ישראלים צדיקים כמוך
I always thought of accelerationism as a sort of societal nihilism. You don't have any hope for the near future and you are sure that things are going in the wrong direction while you can change anything, so the only solution is to give up and just see what will change. It is a scary thought
it's a dooms day cult pretty much a religion that hopes that all will be better after burning everything down...
Very well put!
In most contexts I've heard it used it refers to a hyperextension and perhaps misunderstanding of a specific piece of Marxists theory. Basically stating that capitalism will inevitably head towards its own demise and so accelerating capitalism results in a further heightening and enhancement of the contradictions within capitalism. In a super oversimplified way of explaining thinking that the insane amount of inequality that would result would give the proletariat no other recourse than to violently overthrow their oppressors. Or in other words Lenin's statement that in the end the capitalists will sell us the rope with which to hang them. But taken to an extreme. Perhaps too literally. Accelerationism is the idea that you need to accelerate more to reach the end of capitalism, either via the end of humanity or the dawn of socialism/communism.
@@plastictouch6796 this is what some accelerationists believe, nick land is far more unhinged iirc
Nick Lands accalerationism and his outlook on the human experience in some ways reminded me of mainländer, but his practical application was the exact opposite, where mainländer wanted to reduce suffering, land wanted to increase it or simply disregards it. As someone who adores Mark Fisher or K-Punk, im always astaunished when land is explained to me again. Even though fisher and land had similar ideas, fisher reminds me in his practicality more of mainländer.
It's not about ignoring suffering, it's about surpassing and overcoming human suffering by immersing the human subject into capitalism under the tradition of European Nihilism and coming out the other side as a Lovecraftian cyborg.
Have you checked out the book cyclonopedia? It holds a few of Nick land's (or the ccru's) most interesting ideas, plus a bit of a different self-subsuming deleuzian perspective, that material forces become psychologically harmful autonomous elements. So my favorite part of their ideas is that the earth has a mind of its own and through psychological manipulation is causing people to enter into a symbiotic relationship of dependence, one which is actually parasitic because there was no benefit to be had which was not compelled
It's also more about recognizing the immutability of confusion, fear and anger at the unknown-- I have always shied away from Nick Land because of the weird unscientific linguistics shit he was into. That stuffs like brain poison. Suffering is perceptual and has to be conveyed. Maybe he just doesn't see how pervasive suffering is.
More so how crippling
@@PulsatingShadow well, no, I disagree. Accelerationism is like a religion imo, even Nick Land states 'the definition itself is rapidly changing'.
History doesn't repeat, but it sure does rhyme. I now understand why "May you live in interesting times" is meant as a curse.
it repeats
human beings make the SAME MISTAKES as our ancestors.......sometimes......but like hell do we "only progress" from them.
This has to be the shittiest poem in the galaxy's history, if an intelligent extraterrestrial picked up a book of human history they'd think this is some kind of a prank.
Almost like a sick joke.
I actually gasped in excitement when I saw this notification
I'VE BEEN TRYING TO GEt INTO NICK LAND AND DIDN'T KNOW WHERE TO START AND THEN ONE OF MY FAVORITE RUclips CHANNELS MAKES A VIDEO ABOUT HIM
HELL YEAH
I'd suggest 'A Quick and dirt Introduction to Accelerationism' by Land or his interview with Justin Murphy called 'Capital, intelligence and Ai'
@@audrey2433 Thank you!
You should def check out Mark Fisher, Land likes to affiliated himself with neo-nazis
Great video, as always! You should talk more about Mark FIsher, Capitalist Realism was really an eye opener for me and it seems more relevant now than ever before!
I legit just bought the ccru book. Feels like you are reading my mind with the philosophy videos you put out and my own interests coinciding. Fucking scary.
I think we're collectively thinking of the same things. Collective consciousness stuff. The human giant is processing lots of things right now.
Read cyclonopedia!! But also read anti-oedipus and even a thousand plateaus first. Deleuze and Guattari play an incredibly important role securely tying critical theory to postmodernism. And how that sentence would upset some idiots in Congress and the PTA..
Carl Jung Aion
@@vibratoryuniverse308 yes!
@@vibratoryuniverse308 YESSSSS
This dude is pro cyberpunk dystopia in such a brazen fashion that I can vibe with it.
gayest thing ive read all year
i don't see how this is any different than what n@zis or other fascist-futurists want?
Its going to get gayer than even now until the AngloZionist owners of the west are defeated.
reddit philosopher found accelerationism, pack it up boys
lol
Its so over
my thoughts exactly
worse, reddit audience found it
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I love Lord of Light, so glad to hear it being mentioned! I highly recommend it if you like Sci-Fi. It is not very long and I have re-read it many, many times.
hi Sisyphus, hope ur having a nice day. just here to say thanks for the content
At the risk of oversimplifying, accelerationism seems to be the suicidal impulses of a self-consciously intellectual person, albeit writ large and using big words. I.e. "I want to destroy myself, and I am smarter than most people and frequently correct; therefore, the smartest thing to do is to make everyone else suffer with me."
Consumerism and accelerationism is nihilism. It is a slow-motion suicide.
"creatively destructive marxist"
- i fear no oversimplification
Capitalism is already the death drive in motion, on a global scale.
I think this train of thought you described is everywhere all around
To me it just seems like copeium. "Yes, everything is getting worse and I have no idea how to reverse the trend. But that's good actually!"
Realistically, any form of human progress that's left unregulated and without the goal of maximizing human flourishing is concerning.
It's interesting to see how radically different his ideas were but I have yet to see how any authoritarian system is of benefit to anyone other than those who are in power...
Exactly. I wonder how my opinion on these things would change if I was no longer subject to those influences. I can’t imagine subscribing to a philosophy that doesn’t concern itself with the betterment of the lives of those who are oppressed by the current system and rather neglects them as nuisance.
@@misterdemocracy3335 i guess one benefit is to force people to strive to make a living for themselves and understand the fragility of life. but this is not the way
@@misterdemocracy3335 I don't concern myself with EVERY "Oppressed Population". That's not to say I don't think it's important to KNOW everyone.....I just....don't care about "some" of them 😂
Don't worry, the authoritarians will tell you, you just have to listen and believe, this time they have it, they're not just saying it, this is the real deal.
@@Illlium honestly I think authoritarianism is fine as long as it is traditionalist and Christian in nature. I used to be a libertarian hardcore, but unless everyone was a Christian it would never work.
Mr. Sisyphus I love you. thanks for making this channel it has, although I was already interested in it, pushed me to switch my major to philosophy so I can further my love. It may be crazy to say but this channel has made a big impact. :)
Bravo, the video quality never ceases to amazes me, always love the new notions you present in literature! 💓
This is the best, fairest, most concise, and most accurate short summation of Land's work I've seen to date. Thank you.
nah, didn't even give a correct definition of accelerationism. hermetix does it justice
@@patf9770 I agree, hermetix is definitely better. But entropy and all he's tryna appeal to more people, so much of the signal is lost. But he did a better job than his Ted K thing here, maybe cause he takes him more seriously. I'm reminded due to the popularity of this video of Nick lands quote "as soon as the idea of accelerationism arrives on the market it will be too late". He made a couple big errors though, especially in his separation of capitalism and technology at the beggining, which it is essential within his framework to unify those concepts. Also his take on neoreaction is totally wrong, I don't know how he came up with that definition, maybe from some moldbug fans.
Who knows though, maybe this is a cyberguerilla from the future, who's making this video seem like family friendly content, while obscuring his glistening cybernetics
Then it must be the only one you saw to date
@@sergio4660 all the other ones have me the feeling that I need to read Hegel and Deleuze (at least) in order to get what's going on. Not Actually has a couple great ones too
@@adammilne1341 not actually's is infinitely better than this one
It's bizarre to me and perhaps expressive of the very American soul of the "movement" that accelerationists should believe that deregulation will intensify the pace of development of capitalism, when in practice it typically leads to calcification, investors becoming more conservative and rent-seeking due to the state neither offsetting risk nor intervening to limit the natural parasitism of finance capital.
It also seems like a particularly low-engagement reading, as there are clearly some who make lots of noise about China (we should feel blessed for the documentation afforded us by a movement largely confined to Twitter), and "neo-China" is a particularly salient fixture of Land's writing.
Ah, should have watched through to the end. I would have liked to se more on this tension between deregulation and figures like Trump, and the proposition that China is the quintessential example of an accelerationist society.
How paradoxical that a way of giving up can seem to be so bold.
It may be because it's not really giving up, it's like walking away from a roulette table after not spending a dime. Ruckus grew too incessant and drinks started spilling, time to jacket up and leave this den of debauchery.
It is only giving up if your most fundamental identity is human. If you have something within you that is deeper than humanity, the process that brought us about and will continue move past us, accelerating past what we are is the carrying out of a mission, not giving up. How sad it would be if this was failed, and humanity was the high-point of life before it fizzled out into the cold.
@@zack49 But even this thought is defined based on a fundamentally human viewpoint, would a post-human creature even have this apreciation?
@@zack49 so tell me please - what is it then thats deeper than human in humanity itself? It's like saying a circle should focus on being square, it doesn't make sense. To me it feels like you are humanizing this so called process, a process which will continue to exist anyways even if we continue to exist or not. This process isn't human-oriented, you are humanizing it, which is a grave error. Life (which I think is the process which you refer to is) will continue with or without us. As humanity it is impossible to focus on anything other than humanity itself, we shouldn't try to move 'past' anything.
@@Vitorruy1 Our viewpoint is the human viewpoint, we can only do what seems best to us. People don't stop having kids because of the fact that some of them will turn out suicidal. In fact, it probably never crosses most people's minds during sex. People are hardwired to create new life just as the larger system of evolution is, and somthing past human will come inevitably simply as a result of our collective actions.
RIP Mark Fisher. The world is a darker place without him.
tfw you watch a video talking about a philosophy of acceleration of progress through capitalism and in the middle of it there is an ad break about a service which uses AI to help people deal with mental stress and insomnia...
Have considered doing a video on Max Stirner? I just finished reading the Unique and his property and I find it in a way protoneichzian. But there is also a sense of humor in his work with the word play he uses.
Sense of humor is an understatement, it's rare to find so much sarcasm in a philosophy text after Kant, and I think some parts are straight out parody of Hegelian logic and book structure. I'm not sure if I want an overview of the book on youtube, I think that can only go wrong.
he already has, it’s called ‘THE MOST MISERABLE PHILOSOPHER OF ALL TIME’
He already has...
stirner was invented by Engels to fuck with Marx
@@anditcomesbacktoyou je, that's a good one
You forgot the OG accelerationist:
“But, in general, the protective system of our day is conservative, while the free trade system is destructive.
It breaks up old nationalities and pushes the antagonism of the proletariat and the bourgeoisie to the extreme point.
In a word, the free trade system hastens the social revolution.
It is in this revolutionary sense alone, gentlemen, that I vote in favor of free trade.”
― Karl Marx, On the Question of Free Trade
is that from the not really video
@@asukayin6487 Marx in general had some “accelerationist” views. His analysis of how capitalism is driven through crisis and has the tendency to fluctuate is somethin accelerationist thinkers borrow.
In my opinion, the modern movement toward free trade has clearly done the opposite of exacerbating class antagonism. The qualities which Marx identifies as making the proletariat an ideal revolutionary class no longer applies to the workforces of modern post-industrial societies. The proletariat wasn't just equal to all working people, but specifically industrial workers who had a close relationship with large, fixed pieces of capital, such as factories and mines. Their proxitimity to the most valuable means of production would allow them to quickly seize control of the economy and install the dictatorship of the proletariat. However, most first world countries don't employ many industrial laborers but instead are primarily service economies. First world countries exported most industrial labor overseas in the latter 20th century and now its hard to find many finished products that are not largely produced overseas. In effect the first world has already exported the "revolutionary class" that Marx was waiting to arrive, so accelerating things won't change anything in America or Europe. And the countries which industry was exported to already encourage the kind of brutally unreglated capitalism accelerationist seem to prefer, so there's not much else to do if you're one of them. China is an example of a country which ran through the entire industrial revolution in a few decades and now has begun to catch up the the first world, and they're repeating the same process, exporting industrial labor overseas.
@@MrJethroha the simple counterpoint is that the proletariat is now all working people. Service economies still need labour to function, even with automation, and if anything are more susceptible to fissures because of its tenuous interlinked nature. Tube strikes in London were reported to cost £10 million per day, nationwide rail strikes £600 million per day, cost being attributed to absences mostly. It’s not free trade that has quieted class antagonism, it’s atomisation, paper tiger trade unions, aggressive governments, etc etc.
By the way, not telling you how to suck eggs, but even the Operaismos disregarded Marx’s specific definition of the proletariat and that was way back in the 70s. It’s long been understood that the proletariat ain’t swinging an axe or hammering steel no more.
LIBERTARIAN STALINISM GANG
Accelerationism?
[Boots up Red Flood and plays as France]
LÉS GO, META CRISIS GO BRRRRR
Glad I saw this
"Human rights? Nah, that's just a hindrance to the embrace of the technocapitalist singularity!"
Man, this guy was insane, holy shit
I don’t understand this guy 🤣. Like where does he see himself in that system? And once he gets there what does that mean to him? I’m assuming his goal isn’t any kind of enjoyment, unless he’s part of sovereignty, but what about everyone else? Like it makes no sense, and anyone who actually sees merit in the ideals is most likely a bullied edgy 14 year old who hasn’t experienced enough of life.
I love how this channel does little deep-dives into the thought of philosophers who would make great supervillains
There are no hero philosophers
@@InMyBunker your name and avatar makes it really hard to take anything you say seriously, morally speaking of course.
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I think that Lands line of thought on “human experience” makes a bit more sense with its context though Nietzsche’s moral thought. In the genealogy of morals, Nietzsche makes the point that language often logically misunderstands the dynamic between will and subject by assuming that the expression of strength is intrinsically tied to the identity which exercises it, like a popular interpretation “Simon killed the rabbit”, where Simon is the causal component to the death of the rabbit. What is more realistic, in Nietzsche’s eyes, is that the impulse which justifies higher mans use of will over the lower man is fundamentally autonomous and constitutes its own nervous system of ideology, hence making the “killing” of the rabbit the essential subject of the proposition. Land interprets the struggles and contradictions of humanism as the ‘plebeian’ equivalent of the algorithmic and self-certain values of capitalism and technology, which can fabricate its own propositions and thus its own image of god.
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lol its actually you
Laughing out loud. It is actually you.*
These guys really sound more like rimworld colonists then people.
Reality can be stranger than fiction.
Also, i disagree with accelerationism.
There is no dichotomy between the fictional and the real
try to disagree with the concept accelerationism is like disagree historical materialism, you can dislike or not the groups that used that real social concept, but you can't deny their existence or prevent it by just disliking and not doing nothing. Thats just like trying to stop a car crush you by just ignoring it insteads of just run.
@@sleep3417 fiction and reality are intermixed fiction is just the breeding ground for poking at the collective unconscious
Inequality is not even close to one of our biggest problems
Get the feeling he hates his body, kind of like when you're having an out of body experience researching something, you think you've made some amazing connections that open up some kind of metaphysical portal to new understanding of everything, but you realise you're hungry, and have been hungry the last 2 or 3 days, but you can't be bothered to eat so you curse your body for existing and wish technology would hurry up already and transfer you onto some kind of collective consciousness machine.
Or maybe he's bipolar
Everyone hates their body, it completely subjugates the will and intellect. It's mortality symbolized
Prolly addicted to meth and intellectualized it.
But you're on to something. Post-modernity and structuralist's embarrassingly phrased "daring deconstruction" of the subject rejected any notion of human nature. Which - I find the fact that Foucault not being able to really respond to Chomskys position that our ability to know language is a universal human behavior in that debate to be the most simple rejection of that notion.
But it trying to destroy the subject in subject/object is fundamentally ridiculous. Simply by the premise that if there was no separation from subject to object - post-modernity/structuralism could not exist. Unless the knowing philosopher telling me is somehow magically inclined. Similarly - its strange for me to believe that one could conceive of different societies built from any outside coming in instead of within the system itself.
Humanism is unavoidable unless you want to be a religious nutcase or Nick Land.
hunger is critical to opening up new metaphy whatever you said
@@Se7enth351 The "will and intellect" does not exist outside the body. They are purely organic in their base and essence. Also "the soul" is another platonic make-believe.
@@anon2034 If you reduce everything to atoms nothing exists :) very insightful comment
I had a dream that Sisyphus made a video on Aleister Crowley, it would be interesting he kind of had a huge impact on occult traditions as the exist today, and inspired later movements that challenged the role of religious fundamentalism in the State, and he also opened occult practices to the public where they were previously only known and practiced behind the closed doors of aristocrats, i recommend it as a future video
Good luck with that
I he already misunderstand crowley as satanist
I’m understanding Accelerationism not as a philosophy, but as a fixation on the presumed inevitabilities of society. This fixation can lead to beliefs, and cultish tendencies. I don’t consider it a philosophy however, for philosophy is ultimately the study of self… there’s still more to unpack, accelerationism is an idea that overlooks the tenacity of the human self… yeah
I think things are already moving much MUCH too fast as is. In my eyes humanity was never meant to be changing so insanely fast. However, this speed can be used for good but nowadays defeatism seems all the rage. Well... it's also insanely hard to do anything when half of people nowadays are depressed and/or suicidal. I can barely take care of myself and i have to actually meet people to even try to make a tiny change? Damn
Accelerationism is just hypernihilism, where it's not even that existence doesn't matter and so we shouldn't care what happens, but that we should actively make existence not matter by accelerating the processes that bring about its destruction. It sounds a lot to me like someone that begins fantasizing their own suicide, and end up self destructing in their everyday to bring them closer and closer to that actualization.
What's scary to me is that accelerationism has implicitly been adopted by many in the new generation. Apocalyptic thinking is fashionable. Post post modernity has brain washed us into hating the world which gave us no future, and in so doing we are accelerating the end. No wonder suicide rates have skyrocketed.
Stop moralizing and grandstanding, start thinking 🤔.
This is not related to post-postmodernism... it is opposed to nihilism to some extent in fact.
Accellerationism isn't really about accellerating things; it's rather the understanding that things are speeding up, culturally, technologically, sociologically, everything gets more complex at an accellerating rate, regardless of what we do. It is simply an acknowledgement that we have very, very little control.
@@scriabinismydog2439 While post post modernism wasn't directly related to this to begin with, I think it is a natural ally to this thinking. If it were merely the recognition that things are accelerating, yeah I could get behind that, because that much is evident. We are fast approaching a paradigm shift, one way or another. But as Sisyphus says in the video, it's not just a recognition of the fact but a hastening of it. And this I do not agree with. Post post modernists rejection of everything including its own rejection seems ripe for apocalyptic thinking to me. But perhaps I've not read enough of the actual literature to say one way or another. I'm mostly going off of this video, Jreg's comments in various videos, and conversations with someone who liked fanged noumena. If you got a decent defense of accelerationism, I'd be glad to hear it.
You write this as if the goal of the acceleration is destruction for the sake of itself, but by most proponents the's instead to plow through capitalism to the next stage. If you got a fallen apart house full of mold, you might tear it down to place your new house on its ground. As opposed to telling your grandchildren to carrying on the legacy of waiting for many generations until the house has deteriorated by itself. The accelerationist case (which goes back to Marx) is that you use the "inherent contradictions within the system" to break it.
Gotta admit you lost me when you said “the Satanist, Aleister Crowley.” Wasn’t Crowley a Hermeticist who later converted to his own religion, Thelema? I don’t know that he was particularly Satanic
Crowley was an occult thinker who followed hermetic philosophy and teachings of the golden dawn, he betrayed the golden dawn only to start his own society, the A∴A∴ and is still followed today by many chaos mages and other post modern magicians, not exclusively satanists. sis55’s assessment of nick land isn’t necessary incorrect but the wide brush he paints in the effort to stick closely to Christian morality (but not Christian “teachings” or Christian ideals,) and materialism shows that in trying to show the fallacy of land’s meth fueled neurotica he is willing to trample over metaphysics and ontology in his attempt to do so. That is his choice to make, but I found it very midwitty to immediately gloss over an aspect of land based off of what your church going mom says about Crowley. Crowley had many satanic symbols in his system and at his core was a very dysfunctional person, but the satanic symbols in his system exist for their cabalistic significance, (something land talks ingeniously of including in cryptocurrency) and when calling himself “the beast” or “the beast 666” was only part of his tragic character and his personal complexes. to separate the man from his teachings is very important not only for nick land (which, if you’re not already discarding your perspective temporarily when you’re reading opposing opinions then what are you doing?) but for Crowley as well. I endorse people to instead of listening to someone gloss over an oddball like Crowley, to go balls to the wall if interested and simply see what he was about. don’t just stick to modernist-Christian and Aristotelian models of the world, make your own discoveries and conclusions. you cannot fathom how large your head really is.
Agreed. Theosophy is not Satanism.
@@dwaynesbadchemicals That's exactly what a Satanist *would* say 😂
He wasn't. Just like Trump was NEVER anti-establishment.
I find comments like yours so strangely condescending. Did someone "lost you" because they made a simple mistake? Have you ever tried to build a video like this?
THANK YOU for this one in particular. You help me learn about the world, and find new things to learn about.
It’s scary how all these fringe philosophies nowadays debate with one another on the best way to make “progress”, with no regard to morality. Not all change is progress, and just because we CAN do something doesn’t mean we SHOULD. Several of these beliefs definitely sound like they could be used as justification for some human atrocities.
Its more like there is no "going back" to a pre-capitalist pre-nietzsche world. In Nick Land's work, he writes about how humans essentially have 0 control over "the system" and politics at this point has become people desperately trying and failing to direct the bomb that is capitalism. From WW1, WW2, modern wars etc desperately trying to reign in control over techno capital and still failing. Morals really dont fit in anywhere here. Its an old vestige of religion that died long ago.
Thank you for this. I've been intrigued by accelerationism and wanted to learn more. this clarified some of it's points well
All gas no brakes, ALL GAS NO BRAKES!!!!
This found me at a time in my life that seems almost poetic in it’s timing… thank you
The algorithm knows all
All of these comments that oppose Land calling him a suicidal nihilist, etc.!are devoid of an understanding of Land’s work on Weber and how the praxeological laws of the market necessarily dictate the movements of the human subject. Land is only make descriptions, never does he make a prescription. There isn’t an eschatology in (Landian) accelerationism, because there is never an end, nor is there a means…
The only Acc's that matter is U, Z and R. As Z is seeing the process of markets as negative feedback while r as positive. Land now is more of an u/acc rather than a r/acc it seems to me. They also should've done a reading of xenosystems lmao, as one of the most important aspects is to oppose universalism.
I met Nick Land before 1992 when he came to give a talk at our university. I was on the student committee in the philosophy department responsible for finding interesting speakers and inviting them along, and when I found Land's name in a catalogue I noticed in his research interests he'd included 'Thanatography'. I knew enough Greek to have an idea how intriguing that was, plus I think his other interests also sounded worth checking out, so I got him invited. It will have been 1991 or so.
He gave a talk on how humans were creating digital technology that will replace us, and how this was just the latest stage in evolution in some way. Of course there was more to it but I can't remember, plus actually there wasn't a huge amount to it and he was quite slow and repetitive in his delivery with lots of tongue-clicking. It wasn't taken terribly seriously by anybody, least of all the staff of course, and I don't think there was much Q&A or discussion. The Warwick department was seen as heavily into Continental Philosophy and Critical Theory which were generally seen as suspect.
Afterwards I got a chance to ask him about Thanatography. Had he actually in some way seen death and been able to draw or write about it? Yes, he said, in the sense of altered state experiences under the influence of certain drugs. So I inferred that he felt that in some of these experiences he'd died and observed what death was like, before coming back to life and being able to write about it. Not what we might immediately think of for such a word, but what he felt justified a term meaning "writing about death".
There was no sign at this point of any right-wing or neo-reactionary thinking. But there was an idea that we should accept the rise of new forces that will overtake us.
Crowley wasn't a Satanist BTW.
Crowley was a satanist… he just didnt know it as his nous was so darkened he did bot know who he served.
That was extremely well done. I've been trying to get a handle on accelerationist philosophy for a minute because I have noticed that, at least in my part of the country, notions like that seem to be emerging from the background of lazy nihilism prevalent among my peers. It sounds like Nick land had some major personal problems that are shared with quite a few of my peers in the Midwest, namely an affinity for dangerous substances. His fascination with Crowley is also, in my experience, quite telling because Crowley had a sort of obsession with filth and degeneration in that he found it to be a beautiful process within his worldview. An appreciation for filth seems like it could very easily lead to an appreciation for the products of technocapitalism.
LETS GO! NICK LAND VIDEO HELL YEAH!
So, it's Futurism with another name. We know how this ends.
Ooo I’ve been needing to watch a good nick land vid to watch. His stuff goes way over my head
It's interesting to see that others view a monarchy, as a good thing. The techno-state monarchy is a tyranny, me thinks
He failed to mention how Land sees the CEO monarch as being elected by and serving a board of shareholders who own the resources of the area the CEO controls. Sounds more terrifying if you just call it totalitarianism as Sisyphus did when all it's really for is formalizing existing power and stripping out unnecessary beurocracy.
Huh? Never read Aristotles politics I guess. Platos Republic too... any Medieval or Christian philosophy of politics really
it's possible to have a good monarch
@@thelasttruegamer but more possible to have a tyrannical one
@@kosh9019 some men would rather live under a more capable state, albeit more overtly tyrannical. Democracies are known to be ineffective and are not without their own tyranny
My friend recommended you to me in discord and thats one of the best happening in my life
Letting go of the wheel is literally how you transcend suffering.
Pitching yourself off a cliff is literally how you transcend suffering.
@@KindredPlagiarist I agree! Pure flight into the unknown. Better know you're gonna die though, or the suffering may only double....
@Sebastian Montoya running from death will not guarantee life
@Moerlboro Cop It seems to come more often when you don't.
@@ebioweifekumo3335 It may prolong it, at the very least
oh my god... i just started this video, but this guy sounds like a freaking monster :O
edit: confirmed, freaking monster.
WE NEED TO GO FASTER
you don't speed up capitalism because acceleration is the normal behaviour [Teleoplexy, Nick Land §01]
I have extensively researched jungle and its evolution in music is incredibly interesting. Definitely my fav music to think to
Anti-Egalitarianism? Ultra Based!
great scifi book ,,when i read it in the 60's i never thought i would experience it
What did Land hope to achieve with this bizarre implementation of accelerationism? What is the end goal? It doesn't seem to have one. It just seems to push towards ever more suffering with no payoff.
@antimagik corp I see plenty of suffering today, and it's going to get worse with climate change. The track were on right now will only get worse unless we make radical changes to our mode of production.
But besides that, I still don't see the goal of accelerationism. Atleast in Land's sense.
@antimagik corp
market-ideology is cringe
@antimagik corp so there is no goal is what I'm getting from this. Just a nihilistic push towards ever increasing production at the cost of the human species with no benefit.
@@Alex_Barbosa The point is to formalize a sophisticated argument which can be taken up by those who know they will benefit from the continued acceleration as a cudgel to beat brows with. Powerful people want to be loved, and yet they have defected in our global game of prisoner's dilemma. They must convince us that - actually - it's for our own good that they sold us out. They worship intelligence, and consider belief in trust to be a weakness, so there is no internal conflict in lying to your face, while also desperately wanting your approval. They need to trick us so they can remind themselves how much better they are than us, so as to feel good for the suffering they cause. Do not make the mistake of believing these ideas are communicated in good faith. They are tools. We are witness to communication via the toolmakers's paradigm, but we live in the sectors devoid of trees, so how could the schematics for a shovel be useful for us?
@antimagik corp capitalism clearly has some benefit but I don't see the benefit of going balls-to-the-wall while disregarding individuals. I don't understand Land's endgame.
godd you are so talented Sisypuss
have been waiting for the video on accelerationism since ocean is on fire and eco-axienty videos, finally it's here!
I’m not sure trump can really be described as accelerationst or hyper capitalist. A lot of his campaign was about trying to induce protectionist trade policy to protect jobs which seems anathema to the idea of “accelerating progress” at all costs
ACCELERATE
Seeing CCRU on this channel is so awesome.
Excellent ideas, deserves a comment
This channel has unconditionally become personal to me. I don’t think it’s healthy.
Ayy, You are finally covering Nick Land
I go to Warwick and you get quite a few edgy philosophy undergrads that are obsessed with accelerationism. It's a shame because parts of the theory are very interesting, especially Fisher's Capitalist Realism, but it's tarnished by the awful treatment of race which makes the topic near untouchable without feeling a bit squeamish. Great video!
Currently reading the lord of light i wouldnt say that there is much similarity between those accelerationists and our own since those in the book wanted to democratize technology to achieve greater justice and prosperity. They thought that the system in place was broken and wanted to fix it not drive it to a quicker demise.
Sounds like these are those noobs that hear "the call of the void" (So to say that little, ner listened to, voice in some people when they look off of a bridge or a cliff that says "Let's Jump!") and actually freaking listened to it XD
fav RUclips philosophy channel!
"The Satanist Aleister Crowley"- even the most basic bit of research reveals that Crowley was not a Satanist, makes you wonder what else this guy has got completely wrong...
The appearance of that terrible Vox article is a red flag
Was this part even important to the main topic?
Is it really all that important? The guy was into some wacky occult stuff, who cares about the specifics?
@@Illlium depending on an individual's viewpoint, any branch of philosophy could be considered 'wacky' and therefore indistinguishable from other branches that they considered similar. I.e from a highly religious viewpoint then all materialist philophies could be potentially lumped together and you could conclude that both Dawkins and Stalin were/are more or less espousing the same ideas as you consider the defining details irrelevant. When it comes to studying philosophy the defining details between one set of ideas and another are extremely important and this applies just as equally to esoteric and occult philosophy. The differences between Satanism and Western Hermeticism and Thelema are as significant as the differences between Druidism and Catholicism and Islam. Describing Crowley as a Satanist is like describing Osama Bin Laden as a militant Druid, just completely innacurate.
@@joesmithson1026 as someone that rejects supernatural claims to me it's a distinction without a difference. As far as we know Crowley wasn't a violent or malicious person, and neither are the vast majority of Satanists. Which name he flung on his banner is as important to me as which sports clubs he supported.
Everything will be as it has always been, we are just one footprint in a great stampede
all I want to do is eat and sleep and that’s enough to make me happy ✌️👍
It’s a good thing I’m not a Nick Land fan . His problem is he can’t see that there already someone in charge like he imagines; No one can.
“Human rights violations” shows an image of x.. i mean winnie pooh, well done sir.
Excellent video. It was a very balanced and fair look at Land's work.
ill come back to this again, not sure what I think yet.... i find it strange, yet I wont dismiss it just yet. we did go from kindoms to democracy, maybe we should go from democracy to something else.. Thanks for making this video. Food for thought.
Estar de acuerdo con lo que Land profesa es literalmente dejar a la hegemonía ser lo que quiere ser, es la salida más fácil. El miedo que despide puede olerse a leguas de distancia.
Please read “braiding sweet grass” or “how to do nothing”. De-colonial philosophical perspectives are particularly important right now. My personal feeling is that ideas like accelerationism and nihilism are the final ideological death throws of western colonialism. Something new is coming.
It's always hilarious reading a comment deploring Western colonialism, written in English.
@@appleislander8536 yeah bro let me just write my anti colonial manifesto in my ancestors language that was spoken by 300 people before being wiped out of existence after we got shipped to boarding schools.
the bible, deploring the roman empire, ended up being written in latin. laugh all you want, the negation of the western world will happen with western words.
@@toddberkely6791 And in that 'negation', the West will become immortal. Christianity was born of Rome, and in Christendom, Romanitas found immortality!
Here's my manifesto written in English for those curious about Colonial vs. De-colonial mindsets:
@@appleislander8536 I think you're right, it is funny that I'm writing in English. I also think it's funny that, for whatever reason, I've decided to bite on your bait and show you what I feel colonization is. Mostly because I doubt it'll work.
Colonial mindsets in the west and their associated genocides have been happening since the Romans slaughtered and enslaved the Celts, likely before. People have been fanboying Julius Caesar since that account was popularized again in the Enlightenment period. It was part of the motivation behind manifest destiny, behind slavery in Africa, and behind the American genocide. Nietzsche was also a big fan of Julius Caesar, and though it seems he may have been against anti-Semitism, his philosophies became popular among the Nazis. This fascination with Caesar and infatuation with the brutality of roman war is part of what made the Nazis what they were and is the origin of the term Third Reich. The Nazis also claimed to be inspired partially by behavior in the Americas. Native scholars say that if you want to know what the world would be like if the Nazis had won, you should look at the US.
All this to say, yes, America won. The influences behind it were pretty fucked, but there's nothing we can do to change the past. I'm writing in English, my life is the way that it is because of colonization, and the Roman legacy lives on. Of course... only in the moment and only because it is continuously resuscitated. Read Urn Burial by Browne or Ozymandias by Shelley to see how useful immortality is or how real. Plus, what is the cost of the farcical immortality? Let's test the limits of your emotional imagination. Go slow. Imagine.
Feel for a moment what it would be like for your mother to die. What if she was murdered in front of you? What if she was in great pain? Now feel that for your father. For a brother, a sister, a friend. What if all this happened out of sight, but you walked into the aftermath? Or what if you heard about it in a distant place? What if you knew they were alive, but you didn't know where, or what was happening to them, just that they couldn't escape or fight back? What kind of panic might you feel, as manacles clicked closed around your wrists, as you watched someone being raped nearby? What would the air smell like as your house burned? What would it feel like to walk barefoot through snow? What would it be like to die from a plague? To be dumped in a pile of bodies because you're too weak to move your lips? What would it feel like to starve to death? To have someone betray you, take whatever you have left at gunpoint, and then claim to your face that they are saving you, that they are civilizing you? How would it feel to look into their eyes? Would they seem human? How would it feel, generations later, to know all this happened to your grandparents, or great-grandparents? That there was never justice?
How would it feel to look into the eyes of the descendent of the man with the gun, and hope there would be some new understanding? What if you had given up hope there ever would be? How would it feel to be the son of the man with the gun and to be running toward something, running and running, but not knowing why? To look back at the destruction, to remember the cruelty, to try and justify it, and to not be able to bear looking at it. To run forward looking for the thing that will make the pit go away, make the death go away, make everything ok, but it's still there, chasing you. "If I can just pass it on, if I can just pass it on," repeating in your head. What a nightmare, don't you think?
We look at history so as to not repeat the mistakes of our ancestors. If this is the price of immortality via colonization, extraction, and capitalism, is it worth it? Or do you just become immortal because you leave a scar on the world? How different is this immortality from the immortality of those columbine school shooters? Or a serial killer? If our lives are ultimately what we experience, why create that kind of hell for so many people, when it won't even solve the problem you're having in the first place? What chance does being the new generation offer? Is it possible to stop the cycle?
My personal belief is that it is possible to stop the cycle; that individuals can choose to return to a respect for life and each other; and that to grow into that wouldn't require a loss of culture, knowledge, or technology if we're creative. I also think that the people who are lashing out, controlling, and trying to establish immortality are harming more than they're helping. They're trying to solve a problem by either running away from it or by making it worse. To "deplore western colonialism" is more about taking responsibility and refusing to be an idiot than anything else. Acknowledging suffering doesn't negate beauty, but it does allow us to move forward.
@@toddberkely6791 thanks for sticking up for me. I wrote you an anti-colonial manifesto.
Sysiphus featuring Jreg? My parasoical circle is expanding at a rapid pace
They had a podcast episode together
Conservatives: Let’s feed everyone else to the capitalist death machine.
Liberals: Let’s not feed everyone to the capitalist death machine.
Leftists: Maybe we shouldn’t feed anyone to the capitalist death machine.
Accelerationists: I for one welcome our new death machine overlords
Wow I didn’t expect that and it was great, thanks. Was feeling depressed and laying in bed and that flipped my script. Watched it twice to absorb and enjoy the humor, and yeah there’s definitely some real world scary shit in there, when confronted with it you have to laugh a little. I’m definitely going to make a govcorp shirt. Or smoke a joint. I do think his choice of chemicals played a part in his worldview, and again, wow. That was fun
I find myself completely lost after watching these types of videos. I only hold a bachelor’s, I certainly don’t claim to be an SME. But my current frustration at not only the government but the massive corporations that currently “govern” more of my day to life than the corrupt politicians I “elected” leaves me with a want for change that I don’t know how to enact
How do you feel that corporations control your life? Not arguing just genuinely curious
yooo so glad you mentioned zelazny!
To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Fanged Noumena. The theory is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of Schizo-Analysis most of the insights will go over a typical readers head. There's also Land’s accelerationist outlook, which is deftly woven into his characterisation - his personal philosophy draws heavily from Thus Spoke Zarathustra, for instance. The Landians understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these theory-fictions, to realize that they're not just philosophy- they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike Fanged Noumena truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the depravity in Land’s existential catchphrase “coldness be my god,” which itself is a cryptic reference to Deleuze and Guattari’s Italian epic Anti-Oedipus. I’m smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Nick Land’s genius unfolds itself on the pages. What fools... how I pity them. 😂 And yes by the way, I DO have a Fanged Noumena tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the ladies' eyes only- And even they have to demonstrate that they meet two of the DSM-5 diagnostic criteria for schizophrenia (preferably more) beforehand.
Love the Rick & Morty copypasta with a twist lol
I took this seriously and found out that multiple sclerosis manifests with schizophrenic traits.
People compare my thinking with lands. It's funny.