Self-Proclaimed Messiah Leads the "Moonies" to Wedded Bliss? | Sun Myung Moon Case Analysis
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- Опубликовано: 31 май 2024
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I was taken to a Moony meeting in the early 70s. I could not get out of that place fast enough. It was creepie.
I hung around. Many beautiful young Asian girls.
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@@ashleyshim2078 I was a teenage boy in NYC, and in the airports and train stations, the young Asian girls would approach you and invite you to a meeting or a juice bar. They did not use Moonie men for these invites. So, of course, a 1970’s American teenager might find a great attraction to a religion where Reverend Moon was mass marrying many young Asian women to young white men. I was friendly with many couples. His spirituality was deeply centered on the law of attraction, and marriage, and raising a family with God being the central focus, along with Mr. and Mrs. Moon being your new true parents. So, I can’t even say they were disingenuous, using Asian women out in the field. Once I took the bait, I did study very meticulously the religion put forth in the Moonie study centers. But, at breaks, there were plenty of lovely ladies to talk to. It kept me in the program for quite a while. The philosophy was good, and I enjoyed his Oriental twist on Christianity. But, for a healthy teenage boy, I did look forward to those breaks when I was surrounded by lovely Japanese and Korean young ladies.
@@angeloiodice9304 Yeah, but what if they marry you to someone that looks like Kim Jong Un?
@@strnglhld Good point. Then you would see this chubby white boy, suddenly become an Olympic Gold Medal sprinter, and shoot at the front door with such one-pointed efficiency that the entire congregation would be mesmerized and think they just witnessed The Holy Ghost.
But, honestly speaking, back in the 70’s they were a fine group of traditional ladies in their prime, trim rice-eaters, gentle and lovely.
Maybe you are aware that Mr. Kim intentionally made himself blubbery by deviating far from a traditional healthy peasant diet of rice and vegetables and embracing rich meats, cheese, cognac and wine, so he would stand out amongst his flock as a sort of massive laughing Buddha god-like presence.
Back in the seventies, most Asians still followed a very disciplined diet and their energy and flexibility was often sublime, especially in their youthful years, and even into old age. For a young westerner like myself, the attraction to the stark difference between East and West was quite magnetic, enchanting, delightful and mesmerizing.
It was a fun time for me. To keep me in their flock, they showered me with attention. It was only when they suggested that I quit school and join the church and be directed into a career in farming or fishing or business, that I realized we were not on the same trajectory.
Until recently, when I retired and left the US, I still maintained contact with some members, 40 years later. Their lives turned out very well. Many children with high education and a very abundant life. They were good principled people. Although, unfortunately, some of Reverend Moon’s children did not abide by such humble living standards and principles, being raised in the limelight. But, that happens when a luxurious lifestyle is introduced, one deviates from the tried and proven pathway.
I actually knew a guy back when I was in the Marine Corps whose parents were in the Cult. He told me that his mom and dad spent like 20 or $30000 to have their ancestors married. Scary stuff...
I`m starting a chicken church. Gold mine.
Honestly people tithe to more accepted churches and then of course these. If you think one is better than the other - it may or may not be true. I would never give 10-20% of my income to ANY church!
Yeah Moon is a clown promoting purity and having the concept of true family aka complete family, when his family himself aren’t well together and he had children rebel against him. And he has a second wife. His teachings he didn’t perform. My parents just got into this cult couple years ago and it’s the most annoying shit ever. They’re planning to spend alot of money to build “churches”. Of course I dont wanna intervene since their cognitive bias is rough as hell. And I’m gonna be pointed out as “evil” if I say a word, I might as well stay silent 🤦🏽♂️
Its an ancestors
liberation .
I remember this guy. He was so lost in his pursuit, I don't think he realized that he came across like an Amway guy saying hello in a Denny's restaurant. Nice job Dr. Grande on telling people that guy was a kook.
Nice metaphor!
@@bthomson agreed.
I just took a deep dive into Sum Myung Moon over the weekend! I was up late last night on the FBI Vault website reading letter after letter to congressman from desperate parents whose children had been sucked into the Unification Church, some of them disappearing in their last semester of college. Really fascinating...and tragic.
Yup, I grew up in the Moonies so have been made to be a part of these more or less "abduction" efforts, thinking I was helping people. Those of us born into the UC almost exclusively only see the Moonie-programmed version of our parents, and hardly get to know them beyond that because they were taught to abandon their lives without. The Moon family believes they are saving humanity by having people grafted onto their "pure" lineage, and away from their "sinful" biological families otherwise. It's a vicious cycle of being trafficked for $$ by means of heavy religious indoctrination in isolated environments, then getting locked into a system of codependence that demonizes individual empowerment as selfish.
I appreciate you sharing your story and insight. It is shocking how he and the organization were able to traffic so freely here in the US. But since he was a good Red-hatin’ Commie fighter, he was allowed to do his bidding. Well, not just allowed, but celebrated, honored, and catered to in Washington.
I didn’t get yard cleanup totally finished but I did get two Grande speculations and two BGM podcasts done within the last 24 hours…I’d say I’ve still been very productive! 😁
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@@cheesbox5415 Okaaaaaaaay…🤔
Anna - And well entertained!🤹
I too did yard work today...May, 30...2022, the wind blew down a large Magnolia Tree and I've been cutting it up..
Yes u were. 😏😆
I remember seeing these mass weddings on TV when I was living in Korea. It’s an interesting phenomenon.
A phenomenon of mass interpolation and mind control which did not work out for the majority of his followers and incidentally caused heartbreak to quite a few Remembering the late End Coffman with respect and thanks to him for speaking out in protest against Moon Inc before he passed away . I am glad I got to speak to him before he died last year as fre equals There was one who deserved to be happy and to have a free life iwithout lies or warped philosophies but that's not what Moon gave him . This is Rochelle by the way I remember hearing about a Todd who worked for Moons propaganda mouthpiece Washington Timed and his cute strawberry blonde freckly wife Michelle Is that you? .If so salute you in the spirit of freedom from lying Moon. So great these days not be treated as a money machine and to free from lying warped mind control You know .I never was going to get on that bus and go e up my freedom to the mendacious moon. I remain your friends a free spirit of peace humanity and in friendship ....and remember we'll some of the nice ones if you that I met though .😊 Never was a fan of Moon Inc and all the damage it did though. It broke my mother's heart by the way I was so ill when I came out and as the for the bullying guy with the weird bullet crown on His head ....wth?😂😅 I remember some people as nice and sincere.I kind of got in with Michelle though I hated and resisted that phony life which breaks families and hearts . Shame about the web of lies and deceit by which they were surrounded. but many a good heart in there ..mores the pity. Glad for all the ones who got out We all deserved better ..
The Moon family corporation makes me sick for grieving my beautiful Mas heart and many a good parent's heart too .As for Hak Ha Han...simply ..not a patch on my beautiful unselfish mother who was a tower of strength to me in later life
.Mrs Moon I am afraid was sadly the mother of all store cards and lies and kept in luxury by her gun running kahr arms sons .and a misalliance with A snake oil salesman man, Trump .That kind of unholy alliance America and the world doesn't need..nor these continuous commercially motivated wars.The world needs better and more democratic justice than that. ...
Moon went in for lying deception on every level and in such a big way. He had me convinced for example Hassan was the devil at the time Steven . Hassan just knew too much for Moons liking . He just knew too much that was all.All the truthful ex Moonies out there I do salute you though.. Hope you are well and out there because the truth is out there though of course that's the very last thing Moon ever let any of you see😊😊😊😊Gross deceptions and manipulations I will not forget. Freedom of the Mind centre is helpful though and no more liars are manipulating me.
@04:35 Just a reminder, I'm not diagnosing anybody in this video; only speculating what could be happening when some on thinks they are the 'Burger King' mascot like this.
As a teenager, I passed a Moonie on the street in the mid-1970s in LA, Sunset Blvd, I think. A young lady gave me a pretty paper flower. I said, "Thank You." She said, "Give me a Dollar." When she realized I had no Money, the Moonie took the pretty flower away. 😢 Maybe she needed to sleep. Edit to Add: Gotta love Dr. Grande's sense of humor!
I met Moonie in Busan , Korea while I was visiting in 2015 . A Eastern European guy look like around 20 years old was panhandling . He didn’t speak Korean but he was carrying paper written in Korean that “ Please help me . I am a foreign student and I need help “
I stopped him and asked him how long he was in Korea . He said he is from Romania and came to Korea as tourist visa . He said korean Moonies gave them place to stay for three months. But he must meet their obligations each day to bring money.
I asked him ,” Have you ever thought about your religion ? Any religion make you deceiving people in order to make money for your organization is from demon , not from God .”
He ran away from me .
I actually believe like many other occult religion , people who have “ a spirit of stupor.” fall into deception of demonic spirits.
Hi Jeanine I hope my comment didn't sound as a form of privacy invasion your comment tells of a wonderful woman with a beautiful heart which led me to comment I don't normally write in the comment section but I think you deserve this complement. If you don’t mind can we be friends? Thanks God bless you….
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This upload hits really close to home for me. My parents got married at one of the mass weddings in the Unification Church in Korea in the 80's. They didn't speak the same language when they got married and met each other only three days before the ceremony. I am a product of this religion. We left the church when I was 10. It took a really long time to adapt to normal life after we left. I still have childhood friends that are a part of it, or who are starting to leave the church now as adults after having grown up in it their whole lives. As I've gotten older it's been so interesting to hear what the rest of the world thinks of this religion. It's mind boggling to comprehend that my very existence is because of Sung Myung Moon. 🤷♀️
you are completely your own person and have nothing to do with him
what situation was going on before you were born says nothing about you now
try to forget it (I'm sure you have!) only you are why your life is the way it is good and bad not this lunatic
Yes, 100% @grai! I'm a 2nd Gen, too, but I don't give Rev. Moon the credit for my existence!
I live somewhat close to where his headquarters were in the northeast. I met a Moonie who tried to recruit me. They were extremely persistent. I could see people getting sucked in.
Good one, Dr. Grande! My daughter's best friend's parents were married by Rev. Moon. Now at 17 they are trying very hard to get her married too. She is resisting but they really work as a 'village' and she doesn't have many options.
@Ann-Marie Paliukenas Hello, are you an adult? That is not a thing one can just do, she is a minor and she has a family.
@Ann-Marie Paliukenas Aw, gee, you figured me out!
May heaven bless those parents who love God and want the best for their daughter.
@@patriciahino1379 Yes, may Heaven bless those parents with the revelation that their daughter should marry whomever SHE chooses if/when the time is right.
Moon was trying to align with the stars.....I laughed out loud.
When I was a kid there was a moonie colony in southern Indiana. It seemed like everyone in the town was one. This was mid 70s / early 80s. It was also a joke in movies and TV of moonies at airports, concerts, malls, etc. I just find it hard to believe at its peak it only had 2000 members in the U.S.?
I remember seeing them on the news on tv... I kept getting them mixed up with the "Commies."
I always got the Moonies confused with the Hare Krishnas lol
It's a mistaken estimate, I am part the Millions, and I lived in the Philippines..
I remember back in the early ‘70s that he and his church were in the news a lot.
I never gave him much thought nor did I have any respect for the “whacko”.
Thanks for the interesting story!
He did not deserve attention.
Really interesting. A couple of women spoke to me last semester on my school's campus. As you said, they used flattery and deception. They spoke to me under the guise of doing a survey and asked me some questions on morality and philosophy and were kind and nonjudgemental throughout the process. Eventually they showed me a little sheet about reverend Moon and some beliefs about bringing unity to everyone and how to do it and I respectfully disagreed. They were still nice and invited me to a meeting. I politely declined. I read more about the program after they left and they were indeed Moonies.
The exact same thing happened to me on campus, too.
Thank you for acknowledging that they were nice
Lies and deception standard recruitment ploy ..(god tells lies very often according to sun myung moons speeches . ) Such a sad fallacy in my opinion
Nothing nice about telling lies ..it's harmful in fact
I remember how in "Boonville" I was separated from my best friend( they convinced me she was " satanic" ..what .rubbish that was ..we have remained friends all our lives ) .Then I was isolated and lectured ad nauseum over four weeks in camp k .Then to hide me from my family I was consecutively relocated and then made to endure another40 days indoctrination in Boulder Colorado in 1979 . As a result the Moons money-pr machine totally .messed up my university education and life for a decade ..It was extreme , emotive, undue and unfair pressurisation . It was like that the whole way through .That in itself is evidence that there is a big difference between regular churches and cults though cults try to pretend that there isn't ...Breaking up families , derailing educations , emotional coercion and control and deception are standard cult ploys . There is NOTHING nice about that recruitment process or approach at all or the life .... Nice is as nice does. Moon did nothing for his followers that I saw in seven years except exploit them and drive them to the edge . This was while he was demanding more and more from them as well as imposing hypocritical standards of privation he did not adhere to himself .His children are spoiled, egoistic overgrown kids hooked on privilege and luxury . A good number of moon's babyfarm offspring have used recreational drugs bought from exploitation and slave driving of members. I do not think that has anything to do with being nice either.and as for an ideal family we are all supposed to follow ..hardly likely! Most married slaves who went on to read Nan Sook Hong's book " Under the shadow of the Moons got wise and got out. I owe Nan Sook Hong for the book UNDER THE SHADOW OF THE MOONS though we never met. It really helped my mental health . Before that I really didn't understand the depth to which Moon was a sicko till I read her substantiated testimony about what he and his family were actually like in reality. The moons money machinec caused me mental suffering and breakdown at one point because it was akin to slave driving. .They are nothing but disgusting for how they treated their members: inducing guilt and shame only to extort more money and exploitative labour. I hope the Japanese church members now bringing a case against them are successful!
.Moreover .I am pretty certain pikareum doesn't fit in with any Christian principle recorded in the bible and it's certainly an affront to women everywhere. Even common sense Science tells you Women couldn't give birth without a clean hygienic womb ..Women certainly don't need any of moon' s gross , phony, extraneous, pseudo- spiritual rubbish to help them become the natural, wonderful mothers they .are.born to be. Pretty obvious really and wish I had known about all that stuff much earlier but who did until years later ? It's ridiculous any of these Christian ministers in America are still supporting that feminist-hating gay-hating pikareum-practising overlord who would have treated all humanity like slaves if he could . Narcissist doesn't even cover it! On a lighter note I do have some creative ideas about just what that spendaholic Mrs Moon can do with her ill-,gotten store cards ..hahah! Nice ? My foot! Spending money gained By covering up pikareum, lies and exploitation so she could live off the rewards of other people's hard work .nothing but a slave driver! Getting ill like I did was awful for me at the time but I am much better now for sure; and I truly hope all you ex moonies are recovering and back with your families and friends too . I Wish Ed Coffman had lived longer to enjoy being free again .I Hope the rest of you marvellous Moon debunkers are ok!
Hooray!! Wishing you a happy Memorial Day, Dr. Grande! 🌵
Does anyone else really appreciate these quality daily uploads? That security of knowing you’re getting a new Dr Grande video, even when the worlds going mad and nothing is going well… at least you’ll always get your Grande fix
I do- his work ethic is high key incredible. Thanks again Dr G :)
I honestly don’t know how he does it. We all get 24 hours in the day and some of it should be reserved for rest. Something’s not adding up right.
@@annal7364 wild isn’t it? It’s the strongest work ethic I’ve ever seen anyway. I hope he does get rest though. But between his videos, his “actual” work, his book writing, podcasts and of course having a family… I have absolutely no idea how!
@@annal7364 I think and HOPE he has a schedule. He reserves a day or a few days to filming, a few days to researching, and some days for rest.
@@rosedalinevaletine6931 Yeah, he’s a well-oiled machine, that’s for sure. Most experts develop a streamlined system for production that makes outsiders wonder how they do what they do. It’s fun to marvel at and appreciate the work of others. 😀
Omg my older brother was involved in this cult in the 70’s, Westchester County, NY! He said the only reason he joined was because they promised to pay his tuition at Iona College in New Rochelle, NY. Thankfully his involvement was short-lived, as my brother went on to graduate from Notre Dame in Indiana. I remember a large Unification Church of Sun Myeung Moon in Tarrytown, NY. Crazy times….embarrassing for my Mom.
Hi Lisa I hope my comment didn't sound as a form of privacy invasion your comment tells of a wonderful woman with a beautiful heart which led me to comment I don't normally write in the comment section but I think you deserve this complement. If you don’t mind can we be friends? Thanks God bless you….
@@kidr363 SCAMMER! Don’t message this account!
When I was in college back in the early 80s I lived in a house with seven or eight other guys
In our neighborhood was a house in which a group of moonies lived. They would often invite us over to their place for a meal, we declined many times, but eventually became curious about what it was all about, so one day we accepted their invitation and all of us went to dine with them.
We were all athletes. We were hungry and had big appetites. We went over and descended on them like the locusts of Egypt and ate them out of house and home.
They did not invite us back.
Karma!
Lmao! Mad funny visual s
😂😂😂 Scamming the scammers out of their food. Love it.
perfect timing, happy Memorial Day, and thank you dr. grande! 💜
I distinctly remember the "Moonies" from the 1970s when I was in college, a large public urban university in which it was very easy for individual students to feel lonely, lost and alienated. I was one of these, and for about a year the Moonies descended on the campus; they were able to detect students such as myself like a starving predatory animal detecting prey. They literally would not leave me alone; I had to run across the campus each day to my classes to avoid the Moonies trying to sign me up for whatever they were offering. These years later, I feel bad for those who students who were so lost that they fell for all the B.S. This was the same period of times as the Jonestown tragedy. Essentially the '70s and '80s seem to have been one cult after another, attracting desperately lonely and lost people of all backgrounds, all searching for something to fill their chasmic emptiness...
I would love to see a professional break down of our country's current surge in gun violence and mass casualty events. I know it's not a new thing necessarily but it's definitely getting worse and our collective mental state seems to be deteriorating- among young males in particular. How did we get here, what societal factors contributed to it and how can we stop it? Or are we in for fucked-upedness to increase exponentially as the generations go on
Every medium shows us "the good life" . The money, the mansions, the mogals, the big toys and the beautiful women. This is not what most life looks like! Most real life is a boring 9-5 job and an apartment and a crappy car.🚗
Whew!
@@user-account-not-found Young women face those same problems but don’t do mass shootings.
@@strnglhld hormone plus different expectations?
Thanks for talking about this and bringing awareness. Anyone can be a victim, they often prey on students, people in need and grieving people. My parents are part of that cult. They were part of 1982 mass wedding. They had met a few years prior from what I was told but weren't allowed to really be together even though they got married on paper 2 years prior. There was medium amount of language barrier too. Probably so my father could get a green card to stay in the county and then be labor trafficked. My mom was also labor trafficked, she had to sell flowers and sleep in a van with several other people. She also had to try to recruit people too. My parents are still in the cult and I doubt they will ever leave out of fear. And also because they invested too much time, effort and money. One of my brothers had a mass wedding in Korea by Moon and only met his wife 1 or 2 days prior I think. My 2 sisters and I left the cult when we were adults. However our parents still push their belief system on us. I believe my parents are narcs. My parents abandoned my second older brother at birth and illegally gave him away to a married couple that couldn't have children that were members of the cult. Members were heavily encouraged to do that so those other members could get into heaven. Because they believed you have to have children to go to heaven and it has to be done a specific way. They didn't let members adopt children in need from the regular world. I found out about my brother when I was almost 12 years old. That was the first time it really sunk in that my parents were crazy and that I needed to get out as soon possible and get away from this cult. I don't know when or how my brother who was given away found out. His adopted father sadly died when he was very young and his adopted mother left the cult not too long after. My parents freaked out and threatened to take him back from her. I didn't see him much after that and they ended up leaving the country. I didn't know at the time he was my brother. I wanted to reach out to him but didn't know how much he knew and I didn't even know if he knew he was adopted. I reached out to his adopted mom out of respect first but she never replied. He took an ancestry DNA test last year and he matched with my sister and I. I reached out to him and we talked like twice. I'm just glad he is okay and had a good life so far. Hopefully I will be able to meet him sometime even though we live in separate countries. We used to look a lot like each other and that means a lot to me because I don't really look like any of my other siblings. I always thought maybe I was adopted or something. We apparently have the similar maneurism too. He used to be extremely shy like me. Other than him I stopped all contact with my immediate family 3 years ago for my own well being and have been thriving ever since. Anyway back to the topic Moon is such a sick man, he allegedly raped women and children. He made all members that got married that came from the "outside world" do crazy sex rituals. He even had multiple buildings look like private parts. Several people confirmed that he even put his semen in some of the holy wine to "spread his seed". That really made me sick when I found out about that (nearly threw up) because they gave us a bit of that holy wine as babies. Babies are so innocent. I don't understand how someone can do that. Some members knew what was in the wine allegedly but hid it from us. Plus growing up every couple of years they would do like a forgiveness ceremony and give us the holy wine again even to us kids. They would have holy candy that they infused with a tiny bit of holy wine and would make us to everyone we could to try to get them closer to being saved. There are so many scandals and layers to this. I highly recommend the howwelldoyouknowyourmoon on Tumblr to find out more about the dark sides of this cult. There are several good podcasts as well done by people who grew up in the cult. One is called "The falling out podcast". I'm still working on healing from all my traumas and my self diagnosed C PTSD. Finding a safe space and a safe partner that would listen to me and validate my experience was crucial. I'm still coming to terms with things and feelings I repressed for years. But I am determined to put a stop to the cycle and change my family tree. I'm learning who I am and developing a personality. I'm also enjoying researching my family's history especially on my dad's side since I never met most of the family since we were part of the cult. Like even though most of them already passed away I feel like I'm gaining part of my identity in some way. My dream is to find my grandpa's grave and pay my respect. Because I've never been despite begging my dad as a teenager.
I'm really sorry this happened to you
your parents were victims of very strong mind control
plus they probably joined the cult because they had their own personality disorders in their twenties and couldn't cope with the real world so they escaped into the church
I hope you can heal and get a real sense of your own place in the world *decided by you and no-one else*
I'm sure you can
After all everyone is trying to do that!
but of course it's harder for 2nd gen kids because of the insane start they had in life
I'm sure your parents brothers and sisters would welcome you as their family maybe try to reach out to them
maybe try to find support from other 2nd gen people who have left
I'm so impressed with you for leaving and turning away from your parents' craziness
that took a lot of guts and courage
I really respect you what you did was brave beyond belief
all the best to you I'm sure you will be ok as you get older and it goes into the past
Whenever we hear about the Moonies, we always just hear about those mass weddings, where they set up strangers from different countries, because of their belief that people from different countries and races should intermix as much as possible. But what else did the followers do, besides that? That's what no one ever talks about. Like, what did the couples do after they got married? How did they practice their religion in their day to day life, assuming they did grow to love each other and stayed together? What special rituals or weird child rearing practices did they do on a daily basis? There had to be more to it than just the mass weddings.
I was in the cult for about 6 months. The main thing everybody did was slave labor and "fundraising" which basically was going to shopping centers and claiming we were a group getting kids off drugs. I never moved in with them but did a lot of work on their big house fixing up a room where Moon was going to stay. It got boring and stupid so I left, not to mention I was able to read outside material about the cult. I was never told, for instance, that the second Messiah had gotten a divorce. It went downhill. My mom also called them in the middle of the night and made bomb threats just so they would leave me alone which I didn't know about until later. A couple months after ditching the "church" I ran into one of my old cult mates who couldn't understand why I decided to go on a trip to Florida while the "Messiah", whom they called Father, was trying to save the World. Guilt tripping and other emotional manipulation were common. There was only one kid at the center I went to and he was definitely a disturbed little boy.
@@sdnikko8960 you dodged a bullet
Great analysis. The monies never took off in Australia. Thank you for the information. Thank you Dr Grande. Brilliant analysis and topic.
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My English teacher senior year was part of the moonies when she was younger holy shit I haven’t heard about this in ages
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Among Moon's failed business ventures was financing the big budget movie bomb "Inchon!"
Excellent post! Love the wit as always!
Always love your videos. If you haven’t covered them yet, can you also cover victims of cults? Maybe some precautions for your viewers as well to avoid getting in to cults as well.
Moon was crowned emperor of the world in front of a joint session of Congress, I have never figured out how he pulled that off.
he paid them all to be there
Divine guidance?
Was just about to sleep until I saw a Dr. Grande upload. Love from across the pond 🇬🇧
I am a member of unification church since 1993 until now...i am very happy to be part in this church i get marriage and have children in this movement...i believe that true parents are the second coming that we are waiting....
Good evening 🌆 to my Favorite Doctor!🙋🌵🪴🌵🪴🍀 How is everything? Are you getting we enough rest? I remember Moonies!! Thank You for your Analysis! Hi, everyone!😊🍀🌺🐝🐞🦋🌸💫
Hi Renee! 🐦
Oh boy, I've actually been to one of their "youth centers" on a number of occasions, was quite interested in the work they do, and they seemed like nice people:) They have spread quite far and wide, the center in question was(or maybe is) in Kiev. Then I told my bishop about them, and he promptly explained how they are essentially a cult. They I myself started to see how they perverse the Scripture to their own goals. Got so mad, I was more red than a fresh tomato. And never came back.
That's my story with the Moonies, who are a bit looney, if you ask me
We have acquaintances who were married in a Moonie wedding in the 80’s. They left the cult, have three grown sons and a very happy marriage. One good thing came out of the Reverend Moon’s activities
"He's not the Messiah, he's just a very naughty boy!" - Monty Python.
My experience as a member for several years from 18 to 35 was that Moon indeed was charismatic as I heard him speak twice in Reading and London. 7 day and 21 day workshop was an educational experience with no detrimental aspects. Before I met Unification church I had a dream that I would meet someone the next day in Queen St. Cardiff who would answer all my questions on the New testament. I did and the Divine Principle teaching did answer all my questions within a 2 week period. This experience relates to the biblical verse of ' meeting the Lord in the air' One shall be taken and the other left ( my brother) I am afraid those Christians who believe in the rapture theory will be waiting another 100 years before it will be dismissed cos those prophecies have been fulfilled metaphorically and Christians erroneously believe in a supernatural Jesus who preexisted his birth , will save Christians by meeting them in the air during the'rapture'. I no of no other man who did so much to save humanity from itself, though acknowledging many failings in trying to do so. I do not doubt Moons honourable intentions as witnessed by many of his close followers and his loyal sons especially Hyung jin (Sean) Moon.
His troubling legacy remains in full effect to this day, very much alive and well in this country and other parts of the world. Many talented young people have been snatched up and ruined in the larger cities and states, especially around certain college campuses. Very hard to halt such cultic activities, as the Constitution grants freedom of speech allowing anyone to stand behind a pulpit and say whatever they want, while the victims of this cultic brainwashing remain long gone, damaged, and separated from friends and family often forever. Thanks for shedding light on a subject that continues to fly under the radar and sadly destroy people's identity as we speak.
you're right and the suffering goes on and on when people have children in cults who didn't choose to be their
I would say 99% of the second generation of this cult are even more messed up by it than their parents - At least their parents chose to be in it
and all because some Korean gangster like Moon can get rich
There are more devious powers than our church "Destroying peoples identities" if you care to look at the immoral rot throughout the West. (Transgenderism etc.)Rev. Moons Teachings "The Divine Principle" and his education regarding True Families and the need for the unity of Christiandom and Theistic people are increasingly relevant and needed. There is more to Heaven and earth than is dreamt of in your philosophy.
In the late 70s in was working in the printing industry. It was Christmas and I had time off. Decided to take a part time job for some extra Christmas cash. Answered an ad and took the job. It turns out I was working for Rev. Moon. They had a whole floor rented in a building across from the Empire State Building. Nothing really happened, I did my job putting together a book on sports that had him on every other page. Never met Moon; everyone was young there and really nice which gave me the creeps. I accepted no food or drinks when offered.
I was afraid if I did I would be selling flowers on the corner. I was there for 3 days. The man had bucks and lots of free help. They paid in cash I left end of story.
with labor trafficked money.
I really don’t know if it’s common for other countries, but Korea has a lot of these cult churches. Unification church(통일교), New World(신천지), Eternal life church(영세교), JMS, etc. I know that there are numerous cults in America as well, but given the population difference, I think it’s way above a country’s quota for crazy.
16 children, 13 of them his wife's...I'm sorry, what? It's just mindblowing to see how our society would act if we lost our senses of empathy, guilt, shame, remorse, etc.
I'm sure the story is going to get a lot weirder, but right now I'm pretty suspicious.
Omfg, proclaims he wants to take over the world, gets imprisoned for tax fraud 🤣 The moon wanted to align with the stars? BAHAHAHA
he forgot to mention that the wife with the 13 children was under age, like 15 yrs old
Thank you, Dr Grande, for your latest speculation and analysis upload ❤️🏆🇿🇦 Moon thought he was quite a big shot/grandiose narcissist.
The jokes you cracked here have made my evening, thank you!
I waited all through this video for Dr Grande to say "He's not the Messiah! He's a very naughty boy!"
Moon was trying to align with the stars. I caught that, Dr. G. I see what you did there. ;)
Not trying but did align with not only those to whom you refer to as stars but aligned himself and even visited poor Africans. I wonder how many African or developing countries you have visited? I wonder would Jesus have avoided the so called stars. I do believe witnessing to stars and the lowly are a job Jesus the messiah did.
@@patriciahino1379 Grow up. Read a book or two that doesn't somehow involve Moon and religion (trust me, there are a lot of them!!!). You'll find the world is a lot more interesting than your so-called True Parent.
I went to school with his son in high school, there were always his personal guards outside of the classroom.
ROFL when you said Sun Myung Moon I looked over on my shelf and have a book with his name on it. People were handing them out.
You didn't mention that the ACLU and the National Council Of Churches also filed "Friends of the Court" briefs on Moon's behalf. This issue was very foggy regarding freedom of religion. For the record, I am not, nor ever have been associated with the "Moonies"
Prove it, because simply denying it does not absolve you from the guilt and shame of being involved in that organization.
I remember the Unification Church. Being very honest, I always thought that Rev. Moon was a bit of a quack.
Thank you for working today.
Love you - mean it!
hi guys idk if anyone will read this but i was born in this cult and i think i am the luckiest person ever. IMO, i feel like “cult” isnt the right word and i would refer to this group as a community or even my family. im not sure about other countries because i live like across the globe from the country mentioned in my video. but i would like to emphasise that every country has its own members and leaders. yes we belong to the same community and we believe in the same things, but our cultures, how we act, the norms in our countries etc they are all different!! so in my country its simpler. we just aim for world peace and to spread true love to everyone around us. we often have lectures to educate and reflect on ourselfves to improve our own characters. i definitely can say that we are still imperfect, but the way that everyone gathers to learn from each other with such a open heart really touches me. i learnt that some people in the community are less “traditional” in a way that they dont really follow the things that our leaders encourage us to do like praying, doing conditions etc. bcs they are more simple minded and they just simply want to be a good hearted person thats all. so my point is that every country is diff. so any event that happens in a country does not define the community as a whole. reading the experiences of other moonies in the comments made me feel really sad as im still considered quite young and i pity them for not having the same experience as me. the people in my community take care of me and genuinely love me. anyways the purpose of this comment is to tell yall that yes people might have bad experiences but others have good experiences too! so please dont base your opinion just off a few peoples feelings ☹️☹️
Thanks so much for presenting this.
i'm in a fellowship and heard an ex member share their story. i love hearing different experiences and perspectives. thanks for the video.
Back in the 70s, they came into the place where I worked.
They came through the employee's entrance.
They walked around asking for money.
They we're weird.
Always interesting.
Thank you.
Peace 💕🇺🇲
Rev Moon was a man who lived his life for the sake of others. He and his wife have been teaching people to put God first and to value their spouse and family above everything else. His vision was humankind living in the absence of war and crime, one family under God. No other dared to go there before him. He dreamed higher than anybody. For me this is bringing God's heart to humankind. "It's a big mess guys, but I believe in you, and I have a plan... Do you?... Join me and let's work on it." So looks like he could not sort it all out, Todd as fast as you would feel like he proved his point... It hurts to see somebody being teared apart again and again like that... I didn't get it for a long time. Why would people make up so much lies and distortion about him? Then I started to understand after having gone through the divorce court with a covert narcissist........... I know you don't have personal opinion, it was all said before you already, no blame or such.
Rev Moon used to encourage the world to care and to live for the sake of others, to love with sacrificial love. He emphasized to solve the conflicts by seeing each other through the loving heart of God, communicating and understanding and cherishing each other. Maybe many of us don't like how he did his ministry and mission, but just know, he did it with the same heart. Narcissists live for themselves and use others for their own individual gains.
I think it is actually quite hard to believe that somebody does things for some higher purpose, for God, for humankind or for Mother Earth, or for all that. We are used to expect and interpret others as misusing and taking advantage of us as it is many times the case sadly.
I appreciate Todd your calm voice and posed attitude.
Can you analyze the Netflix documentary Our Father about Dr. Donald Cline? As shattering as the events of the last few days (weeks, months, years) have been, I cannot get over the horror of this man's actions and how difficult it was to hold him accountable in any meaningful way. It reminds me of what you said in a video a few days ago about how some people are just presumed to be upstanding citizens, so they get away with way too much. Oh, and also, I am OBSESSED with the concept of someone committing murder, like all of the murders we see on ID, that is, abducting children, hitchhikers, etc. decades ago and only now being discovered through 23 and Me. Not all of these men have been career criminals. How can you live on this earth and function, and work, and marry, and raise children, and attend picnics, knowing that you killed and dumped a body and were never caught? I need to understand how that is possible. Thank you Dr. Grande!
The 🌜⭐comment was hilarious😆. Anyone calling themselves a messiah automatically gets the wacko award in my 🤪book. Thanks Dr G & Happy Memorial Day😊🤍🤍
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I checked, you have ❤
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wasn't he linked to the KCIA? they indulged in what they called "love bombing" in street recruiting. i remember once in the 1970s in downtown Brooklyn about 50 unannounced Moonies with identical scary smiles in shiny new well-pressed blue one-piece work suits, with new brooms and trash bags, suddenly appeared in a military-like march and started cleaning the sidewalks and the gutters. they were singing as they toiled. it was somehow very frightening.
Sounds like korean horror movie where they will torture you for not cleaning the street lol. 🤔
@@jinnij9721 good point they were scary..they all had pasted on smiles
@@albertangeloro5832 yes, back in the 70’s, you could identify the Moonies by their one-pointed gaze. But, at gatherings, you could meet many delightful Japanese and Korean young ladies. As a boy in his teens, I would overlook the glazed over veneers, as the female gaze was far more approachable. All in all, they were harmless flower children. I sang with them around the campfire and ate rice and kimchi, and studied their principles and enjoyed their approach to life.
The 70’s in NYC had so much appending with so-called cults. It was an amazing time. I used to stay out late in the parks and talk to Moonies, Hare Krishna’s and other religionists, and they were all good people, just trying to find their way.
@@angeloiodice9304 i agree with you. in the 1980s i did a call-in show @ WNBC AM here in NYC. i invited an official Catholic "anti-cult group" and an official Moonie group. the Moonies accepted and the Catholics refused to appear and debate them giving the incredibly stupid and telling reason, that "the Moonies appear too normal". i will never forget that one.
So when people clean its frightening?
I've never heard of this one before.😅😅 Thank you Dr Grande
I think I sat in on one of those indoctrination meetings once ... no wait, that was for a time-share at Lake Tahoe. Never mind.
Thank you for making me LOL! 👍 😆
Lol. I find this very funny. Thank you for the explanation, I didn't know these before now
Some former neighbors of mine were moonie-married. They met at their wedding. Although no longer involved with the moonies, they were happily married for at least 20 years and had 3 really nice children.
Hear’s🌻🌻🌻 to the hardest working Dr..... 🔥💫💥🔥💥💫
Dr. Grande 🌵
Good to know that the good doctor is in today🪁
Thank you Dr. Grande.
"By this point he was no longer a fan of Communism." I love it!
"Moon was trying to align with the stars." I groaned pretty loudly here.
I spent 10 years growing up in the Philippines from 96 to 06 and we lived a few miles from a moonie dormitory/property!
Can you cover the Noreen Boyle Murder by her husband, Dr. John Boyle?
Hello doc, love the videos especially the lovely flower shirt that appeared yesterday! Please do dr Drew?
I had heard of and seen pictures of the mass weddings, but never realized they were part of some kooky cult! Thank you for the excellent analysis, Dr. Grande! ❤️
thank you for your sharing of course since i have been moonie for almost fifty years and did extensive research as a volunteer librarian i find your commentary interesting but only partially accurate most people lack understanding of the topic of messianic missions for god and even less of an understanding of god i leave it at that but thank you for your interest
Japanese actor (turned Politician) Atsuo Nakamura interviewd Mr. Chung-hwa Pak (former aide to leader Sun Myung Moon) in early 90s and talked about these "mass weddings".
This was way more intriguing than a multibillion dollar child support bill. 😂😅Wow, I never heard of this cult- truly unreal.
On another note, I just finished watching Seth’s interview on your podcast. What a heartfelt and inspirational interview. Thank you for bringing Seth on the podcast, it was such a great episode.
Thank you for everything you do, Dr. Grande!❤️
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Hey! Even more flirting!
@@kidr363 Don’t message this scammer. He’s trying to pose as Kid Rock. Hilarious!
It's not a cult..Try to study the Divine Principle and tou will be amazed..
The lonely,lost,& loveless lies,
surrounded me in flameless fires.
And though these fires remain unseen,
they still devour EVERYTHING!
The Moonies sounds like a great title for an annual awards show where the craziest/worst religions/cults/leaders receive recognition AND statuettes.
Hi, Goon here. This analysis has inspired me to relable my gang as "The Goonies"
Lol...You are so funny in this video. I love it.
Dr Todd Grande could you in the future tell us your take on Christina Crawford? Thanks:)
4:30 I am loving the Christmas cracker hat, how can anyone take this guy seriously?
He was a cult leader.
I remember it was said he had his followers sell bags of “peanuts”, however inside the bags were only peanut shells.
Excellent analysis. I haven't commented on your videos in a while. I sometimes think I'm a pest when I comment a lot. Hope you're doing well.
Too funny, those lines almost slip right through! Was always jokingly nicknamed “Moonie.” Fortunately that died out as Moon was less in the spotlight.
Perfect! The Burger King Pope strikes again! I can’t wait to hear the next adventure! Keep it up DG
@03:45 "...mass weddings, which is like a less rational version of mass hysteria" 😂😂
PLEASE DO SOL PAIS!!! shed be a super interesting addition to your columbine analysis, as she was involved in a popular forum for people attracted to the columbine shooters, and supposedly committed suicide to be with her true love. These forums are super fascinating and id love to know your thoughts on why so many women are attracted to murderers, like the columbine shooters, ted bundy, nick cruz, etc
super interesting mental health analysis because of her online journals that are available
Can you analyze also The Great Dear Leader Jim Pickens?
Mass weddings...now there is a novel idea.
A reasonble person would be skepical of anyone who is conducting those when that person has been married multiple times!
His hat looks like a Burger King crown.
He can have it his way.
"He's not the Messiah.....he's a very naughty boy!" 😅
people were drawn to moonyism because it purported to unify all the peoples of the world and garner peace. yup, those were the days.
I was very lucky not to have boarded the bus in 1985 after being lectured to buy a Korean saying my chin needed to be more down so I could be subordinate to a moon husband Yuk ! That was an anathema to me as a feminist. I am glad I got out it made me ill and I am so grateful I recovered and got over a suicide attempt .I have a different life now. Respects to the late Ed Coffman who got out recently .so sad he died but I remember him as and think it so sad he was in the American movement four times as long as me and suffered for so long .RIP ed Coffman 👍 glad we both escaped the RIP-OFF MOONS Anyone else remember Ed . I was glad I could talk to him before he died at least and glad he escaped that Draconian misery inducing lifestyle ..he deserved so much better and so do all ex moonies . !
Thanks for the great work. This was a really good one. You are the bomb. No matter the topic you always deliver. Could you do one on the gun culture here in America?
Moon had charisma as I was awestruck when I met him a few times in Reading and London. Obviously due to His many responsibilities that he took on , could not be involved in the minutiae of the businesses which he entrusted to others for day to day running. His legacy is linked to the blessing ceremonies which included interfaith ceremonies. It is the personal responsibility of the couple's to then live up to the God centred marriage vows. God centred marriage is the key to a God centred world of peace. He made more efforts than anyone else to achieve these goals. His son's Heung Jin and Kook Jin is are the two witnesses to uphold these goals and traditions that Moon did His best to realise in his life.
They had a Moonie joint in the central California town I grew up in. My dad would cuss profusely whenever we drove by it. Later, I looked into their enterprise, and I cuss as well. A bunch of kooks!
Btw, Koreans are very intense and cannot let go of any perceived slight or offense. We can thank Japan for that. I appreciate Koreans for their ability to consume alcohol, and they have a well earned corner of pop music. Luli Lee is very good.
May we find love and peace in a disturbed world.
Are you sure that you’re not stereotyping? It’s a pretty large group of people to say they all hold grudges for even the slightest offense.
@@lostandfound5145 as a Korean born US Citizen, 100% true.
@@chrisv.3933 I’ll take your word for it, then. Maybe the USA is so big and culturally diverse that it seems amazing that everyone would be a particular way to me. That or my American education has hammered not being prejudiced or stereotyping into my head so much that it’s a knee jerk response. … which is probably a normal reaction for Americans. If I wanna stereotype 😂
A missed opportunity by Dr. Grande here was mentioning Mr Moon's photo collection of all the "left overs" from his wife/husband matching system, and how he had to cobble together marriages between the good, the bad, and the ugly, the long, the short and the tall, and the mismatch wedding photos it resulted in.
It's weird how kimmel, Colbert and Fallon take days off, yet Grande can work daily for a must smaller paycheck.
I’m shocked Fallwell had anything to do with him!!! Very interesting
Falwell's interest in Moon was only an interest in freedom of religion and freedom of speech. Falwell did not agree with Moon's "theology".
@joebrinson5040 You forgot interest in funds hehe
Now do one on the offshoot, “Cult of the Assault Weapon”
Doctor Grande can you analyze the case of Rizwan Farook and Tashfeen Malik in the 2015 San Bernardino shooting?
Interesting analysis. Thanks, Grande. I remember this and I remember in the seventies myself and my brothers scoffing and balking to the end of the earth about it and all such cults and Jesus freaks, etc. My family was rife w mocking sarcasm, very toxic.
In 1978 a Moonie approached me when I was walking around in Downtown San Diego.