Posturing in a dangerous situation,is kind of like a bluff in poker. "YOU NEVER KNOW WHO YOUR DEALING WITH ". , Tim that is so true . Much Respect & thanks again ..
My dad taught us to try and always diffuse a bad situation and avoid a fight. He said you never really know who you’re dealing with , but don’t be a punching bag and defend innocent people being victimized.
Cop and DT trainer since the 80s. I've worked with many cops who's SOP was posturing, they were able to start a fight (that others had to finish) in the most chill situations. It was all they had in their tool box except their sidearm. Dangerous to everyone around them. Get trained.
Posturing is what I’ve always done I grew up with a rageaholic father and I got very good and intimidating with Posturing until I got punched in the head - learned a painful but extremely humbling lesson
In my situation, feigned capitulation is an important tool. If I can get hands-on it's over and I go home in one piece. for me, it's just the way I have to operate sometimes.
Saw the posturing a lot in my 34 year law career on both sides, it got a lot of feelings hurt. Keep up the great leadership, praying or your better half everyday, GOD Bless
Thanks Tim for all the wisdom and knowledge...I have read Col. Grossman's book "On Killing", fantastic book imho. I have been fed corrections officer 20+ years, four joints, criminal social posturing easily seen from the pen I worked at all tje way to the soft med joint I am stationed at now. The respectful criminals( convicts not inmates) are the most dangerous in my experience...stay safe and thanks again for all you and your team provide
Thank you sir. Sincerely. This message was received loud and clear. I look forward to learning how to conduct, anticipate and react in the wisest fashion to social aggression. I want to learn so I can teach my 8 year old nephew how to be smart about his interactions with folks who express themselves in an aggressive way. There is a Zen in your teachings that I sense. I appreciate your service to the world Mr Larson.
Tim, using an example where the movies got something right, a great dramatic act of capitulation was portrayed by Anthony Quinn in "The Guns of Navarone". He was a tough resistance fighter who, pretending to be a coward, fell on his knees in front of the his Nazi captuers.
Excellent!! I'm greatly honored to have been trained by you.. Il never posture and I always have found a way to leave a dangerous situation by seeing it before it escalated. There's times I've called police to deal with it. To me violence unless impossible always a last resort. Because of your training I know I don't ever have to prove myself to anyone! God Bless.,. DB
The story about posturing was right on!! Back in the day it was called "Bluffing" and as in cards sometimes you can bluff the $hi! outta people and get away with it... then there is that one time that, as in cards... someone calls your bluff. Except that you aint playing cards, you're fighting for your life, and now that bluff has put you in a terribly vulnerable situation. The other aspect about your video that I really liked was when you addressed how you handle yourself with people. I feel that this is an important part of martial art that is not discussed enough. Being polite, courteous and non-threatening as a good way to conduct yourself as a man "Pride cometh before the fall", "A short temper will make a fool out you soon enough", etc, etc... but there is a solid martial aspect to this too, “Let your plans be dark and impenetrable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt” Sun Tzu PS: I bought your book... I really enjoyed it Thanks again
Tim is a Master of Combat Survial !! He is also a Master of Psychology in Combat ! This is as always a Great Human giving Back to Society! Thank You Tim !!!!
I work security in a casino. There was a time when I capitulated because I was surrounded and cornered by 4 very large drunk guys over having outside alcohol. Skipping the hilarious story and straight to the point I managed to talk them down and get them laughing so it worked out in everyone's favor. Though the position I was in was the worst you can be in that situation, so it could have gone really bad.
Great vid. I teach a similat thing in my Gutter Fighting classes, as the "6 Fs", fight, flight, fronting (posturing), folding (capitulation), freezing and fainting. It is a fascinating topic that helps to understand our psychological and physiological responses to threat.
Posturing isn't limited to people. I used to work at the edge of a wilderness, and we had an old, female bobcat on the place. Somebody brought in a young dumb puppy. He stopped about 10 feet from the cat and started barking his fool head off. He 'knew" that when he barked at (domestic) cats they ran away. The bobcat closed the distance and raked the puppy across the muzzle with her front claws. He survived but he never barked at a cat again.
In a bar I should not have been, actually it was a bar no one should have been in. It was in New Jersey years ago and a drunk thug decided he did not like my southern accent. There was no way by this fool to the door. I judged it was going to be a fight all I could do was decide where and when. I made myself even smaller than I normally am, 5' 7", raised both hands in a "stop" gesture took half a step towards him and said, "Let me ask you a question." While he was waiting for the question I gave him a Brachial stun that took him to his knees and a follow up that put him on the floor. Then I walked out. Good words Mr. Larkin, I have come to really enjoy your advice in my old age. Had I had it in my young age I might have saved myself some trouble. Not to mention some scars.
This is brilliant. It could save a lot of lives if people would watch it. I've lived in Oakland for decades and I run into situations on the regular where violence could easily happen. Our natural ego makes us want to think we're macho or macha and that we can get out of it by showing that. The far better solution is to get out if possible without posturing. In Oakland, probably half the population is carrying a weapon of some kind. Many people are broke, angry, or don't think the police will ever catch them. We have catalytic converter thefts where people think they can yell the thieves away, and then a few have gotten shot just for yelling. In situations where people are confronting me for no good reason or trying to take my stuff, my younger self would have postured, and my older, wiser self will always give up the property, back off if possible to call the police from a safe locale later, or apologize or walk away in a trivial confrontation, but by all means get away if at all possible. If it's not possible to escape and my life is being threatened and backing down is not the answer, then I will use all the violence I have in my 65-year-old body. Every word of this video is worth listening to.
Tim, you really dissect the nature of violence, I think to many people d’ont realized its constant presence. Very good subject about the posturing. I do agree about it’s danger, I would also add if the person calls your bluff and you move in, even if you win the fight you might find yourself falling into regrets and deep trouble that you never wanted get yourself into from the start!
Thank you Tim as always for providing vital information. From my prior training it was obvious and vital that you never underestimate another individual. One situation was in training many years ago, when a young lady about 5'6" and 100 lbs soaking wet, took down a 6'5" 225lb or more guy like a matchstick. He didn't know what hit him, but he learned a valuable lesson as we all did
This is exactly what I was looking for to teach to my adult students. Of course they will all know that it came from you, Tim. Thank you for what you do.
As a 'bigger' guy, learned about posturing at Marine boot camp. Selling 'woof tickets' got me a mouth shot, from a dude who wasnt buying it. Needless to say, I got out of that business. Size ain't shit -Bushwick Bill (r.i.p.)
I've known a number of people that simply abhor violence in any context --- to the point of refusing to learn how t o protect themselves when violence erupts. My sister-in-law chose the fight response by refusing to give up her purse. The thief grabbed the purse and the strap threw her to the ground resulting in long lasting brain damage. Violence often happens when you're not expecting it and from unforeseen sources. My sister was home alone with her husband. He choked her death --- an error in either capitulation and/or being unwilling to learn self defense.
Tim, thank you for the insight on the appropriately expanded definition of something “we’ve all heard” about “fight or flight”! Keep bringing this useful information!
Tim, thank you for all this valuable information. I try to pass this on to as many as I can and this segment is extremely valuable in regards to posturing, I have been saying for years.....you never know who your screwing with, it's easier to be nice and walk away if you can.
We were taught flinch, fence, fight, flight, freeze... also the dog analogy is great but I prefer the cat version lol it gives the impression of submission on its back but actually it’s presenting all five weapons!
Yep, my late father used to say the same thing but this way. "Don't let your temper get bigger than your ass!" Wonder what the modern version of these warnings are. "Don't bully him cause dude looks like a mass shooter." Who knows 🙄
I want Tim's secret to look like just fresh from the shower. Ok, now jokes apart, since I apply what I learned from Tim's videos and "When violence is the answer" when I watch videos from others content creators, I can't look as before the other channels who now seems to me as "combat sport" oriented. To be honest, is like I'm beginning my own thought process, discovering that violence is just at the tip of my fingers but so far from me and my social context. It's serious stuff, all my life I learned to not cross the line from the "words domain" to the "acting out", but now I know that is my responsibility also being proficient when the narrow space of "acting out" appears.
FANTASTIC observations! Yes, I have seen it a lot also ; guys who 'posture' as their go-to response. What I thought was funny, many times, it wasn't needed. If they'd been polite and non-threatening --the situation would have quickly diffused. As you said --these men do not have a violence toolbox or training to respond if things go south. Fortunately for them, they were not pounded into the ground. Ha, which means they think this tactic works! It IS indeed extremely dangerous.
Very solid advice Tim. You mentioned posturing which I agree it is a very bad choice. This however got me thinking that it might be useful to have a discussion on how to use body language to de-escalate a situation
Great baseline explanation of these four elements and done in such a way so as to make the topic readily understood. I never viewed capitulation as having two possible avenues and posturing, while always in front of us, was not much thought of as being part of the equation. As regards posturing, it immediately made me think of how it was done against me a few months ago from a neighbor - a gentleman whom I've never had a foul word or interaction. Within that scenario in and of itself my mind flashed through several of your earlier discussions on violence and how one's mind runs through a "reasoning" process as to why someone is behaving as they were. But likewise, I also recognized in that incident that he was closing on me quickly and I also knew that I was not going to let him get too close to me either - should he feel he was going to cause me physical harm. Fortunately it didn't go that far and all has been quiet long since. Nonetheless, this presentation was done very well and insightful. Thank you for posting this - and all the other work that you do.
Great post, Tim, it is refreshing to have content out there where concepts of true "self-defense" are shared. The majority of material out there as you know mimics responses out of movies or wishful imaginary situations if one believed they were an MMA fighter. Truth be told, most 'fights' can be avoided and assaults should be dealt with appropriately. The responses here should be understood and utilized to apply self-control during live situations take full responsibility for the choice they make during the altercation. Awareness is key and the most important element in these types of scenarios. I personally can remember each of these responses that I have chosen during verbal/physical confrontations. Flight, by far had the best outcome. EGO/Pride, although may be hard to swallow, imposing danger to yourself, others, and no regard to your loved ones, to return home safe, is never the best option. I agree to the fight when left with no choice and bodily damage to yourself is also not an option. Capitulation is probably my last choice and if chosen, probably the feint type would be my thought. I did get out of a situation with 2 individuals ready to attack me, feinted submission, to take out the first person, and able to easily get away from the second. I remember very few times using posturing, all the time knowing it was a risk and luckily one the poker hand. But as you mentioned, it all is a risk and every scene is situational. Always prepare both mentally and physically, heighten awareness at all times is crucial and avoidance is one of the best choices. One of my absolute favorite quotes, “It is better to be a warrior in a garden than a gardener in a war.”
Good information. Thanks for sharing. A scenario, one that I saw in the news recently, was a guy holding a gun at a cashier over the counter. You can't really close distance, as the counter and cash register are between the robber and the yourself. You will be shot if you try to run. Capitulation is the response most likely to keep you alive, if you're just being robbed. Maybe you see other options?
I have tried to avoid posturing it's got my ass kicked. I have learned to control my ego. Flight is the best. However, I have also learned there is a time and place to fight and time to "hold your corner". I agree with you on the violence being the ultimate last choice. Thanks for your videos.
when you talked about posturing the first image that came to my mind was the lawyer in a pink shirt with an ar 15 in front of his house, the second image was two mma competitors facing of before their athletic event. cant decide which one is more ridiculous from a tactical perspective.
The behavioral responses discussed here were laid down by our prehistoric ancestors, for whom these were quite literally keys to their survival. However, as a species we are unable to evolve quickly enough to adapt to modern living, so it is up to the individual to learn about things like violence, stress, human interaction, and this rarely discussed thing known as emotional intelligence, which when developed will greatly improve your response to all kinds of stressful situations.
@@QuantumPyrite_88.9 yep you're 100% correct sir. I work in education and I routinely deal with high school boys who are physically weak, whiny, and yet despite my time in the military; they routinely try to lecture me about how bad ass they are because of their favorite rap they listen to coupled with how they play call of duty. It's sad how much our society has degenerated.
@@QuantumPyrite_88.9 man that's awful, that they could be that clueless. I'm sorry for your loss, and I hope they learn to appreciate your service. It seems like Americans are becoming further and further detached from the realities of the world. It's a sad thing.
Thank you Tim, for sharing and teaching all these life saving skills! Do you recomend a tactic against a dog attack? How to deal with that efficiently? Thomas
Posturing is something people often think I am doing because I don't really associate with people and tend to just stand there with my arms folded across my chest and legs slightly spread similar to standing at ease. It's not intentional but that's what people think I am doing. When it comes to confrontation I am more likely to run or capitulate than I am to fight. Because I don't want to risk injury and I don't want to harm others. But if I am swung on, the gloves are off and I don't stop until they give up or I have to retreat because their buddies are coming.
When it comes to a person's natural posture (rather than intentional posturing), skilled human predators are able to size up potential victims by how erect they stand, the way they walk, swing their arms, look around, etc. Lions prefer making kills that require the least amount of effort, as do asocial humans. If you "walk tall" deliberately, you are less likely to be seen as easy prey.
I agree, I think there's a difference in terms of posturing where you're not easy prey, your switched on, walking tall, and in an altercation, act like you're not afraid of violence (even if your words are saying that you don't want any trouble, or telling someone forcefully not to get closer, or no, you don't have the time) versus posturing where you're actively antagonizing the situation in defence of your ego. The latter is dangerous, the former is extremely useful in warding of violence or getting yourself into a state of readiness in case it kicks off
Tim's opened up a big can of worms here! It's true, you can't tell what is going on inside someone's head, which translates to: no one can tell what's going on inside my head either. I'm a Sigma Male, which is the same thing as an Alpha, but who prefers to work alone, prefers solitude. I do all my best work alone. I tackle a project head on and I am a tireless worker. Wasting no time, I get things done and outperform everyone. Tim's 100% spot on--posturing could be deadly. I know from past experience. It can get you into a real mess. Don't do it. I never posture. I do as little interacting with people as I can, but when I do choose to interact or engage I give them my full attention. If someone is threatening and I engage them--I am ready to go all the way. But 99.9% of the time I ignore such people and just leave. In social situations, such as the workplace, where I don't have the option to ignore others and pass them by, I feign capitulation. I act uneducated and sometimes even incompetent. I do this because I am seeking out the rabid dogs among us. When you feign weakness, it tends to bring out the bully, the big boss in some people. They will try to treat me badly, sabotage me, make fun of me, etc. for what they have mistakenly identified as weakness. Now, I know who they are and what they are about. Deflating their ego, destroying them after that is easy. I just find holes in their personality, their work ethic, their performance--and exploit them. Then they're scared of me and keep away. They thought I was stupid, an easy mark and set out to make themselves look great at my expense. In my latest example, one particular scoundrel I was unfortunately burdened with the task of training came off as a rabid dog. I capitulated, let New Guy get away with not getting his job done, walking all over us, being rude, etc. Then came the day I knew would come: my being called into the directors office to give my evaluation of New Guy. I let him have it, of course. I made no bones about his temperament, performance, attitude, skills, etc. being ALL BAD. But New Guy shammed the director into thinking he was good to go on his own. Ah! The day I was waiting for! Of course everything was a shambles. I refused to help him in any way. He did not know what to do. He ruined everything he touched. Make a long story short, New Guy is no longer with us, and I am glad to say I took part in getting that job done, just as I am more than happy to put another hoodlum in jail and/or in hospital. But in the really real world of violence, as a lifelong student of violence, I tell you I never play these games. I'm either ready to take him out or I'm out of there. The real leaders and non-leaders who are good people trying to do their level best and get on with it are easy to spot. Nothing to do there. I applaud them, help them out, watch their backs, sometimes even become friends. The rest of them can go hang. I remain, faithfully yours, The Cunning Monk, The Raven, The Watchful Exploiter, The Secret Strategist, The Anti Social, The Lifelong Student of Violence! PENETRATE--ROTATE--INJURE!
Hey, if you can't do the time , don't do the crime. Excellant video. It's hard when the ego wants to fight. It's hard to leave or appologize but, it's the best thing to do. Refain from violent behavior.
Before I even write anything Tim I just want to thank you for what you do. I live over in the UK and only the bad guys get to carry guns here; so your type of information could save a life here. On posturing ( I'm a dog cat person); you will see interspecies posturing from neighbourhood cats who run into one of your dogs. Now granted these are both domestic animals rather than wild and to be fair your tomcat will bring it if he has to; just a thought.
I've had men trying to use fake "I'm no danger to you" stuff (fake capitulation) to try to close the gap on me. It was creepy as all Hell since I could see right through it. They weren't good at hiding their real intent. They didn't get to close that gap. I'm interested in how you teach (legally) blind clients. I know the short answer is "they get on the mat and figure it out" but is there more emphasis on throwing (Judo is the go to martial art/sport for blind people) or an extra step to index targets by touch in place of sight? (Both in terms of practice and live application)
When unarmed and out in the open, capitulation might be employed to draw in an armed shooter who has already fired upon you and/or is most likely intent upon doing so from a threateningly close range. Question then is, although quite situationally determined, what capitulation technique(s) to consider. ??
Tim, if someone bumps into you in public. For example, your walking down the sidewalk and a rude person just bumps into you and doesn’t say “sorry”. You say you treat everyone you don’t know like they are 6 seconds away from violence?
There was a guy strutting around by an ATM machine along the route that I was walking home. I did not know his intention and I did not want to walk by him, even though it was a sunny nice day in the middle of town. At about 70 feet away, I made a subtle gesture of heading straight towards him and quickened my pace. This was not meant to threaten or challenge him, but to make him reveal his intent, and I had already calculated several options. If he reciprocated, squared up and came towards me, I would take that as a sign he was ready to engage in a fight. I had several shops I could duck into if he did that (cell phones weren't yet a thing) but I was also prepared to fight if I had to, though I was not planning to be the aggressor, nor was I looking for a fight. I had plenty of distance still, and plenty of options if he decided to engage. Fortunately, when he saw me do that, he crossed the street and went off in another direction., so I continued on my way, though I still kept on eye on him. I was not looking for a fight, and did not want to engage, but at the same time, his posturing did make me want to determine his intent before I got anywhere close to him. How would you recommend one handle a situation like this?
I think posturing sometimes works on other species. Years ago I was walking my girlfriend home at night. On the way back, I was surprised by a massive rottweiler who seemed to be the size of a pony in my mind. As he slowly approached while growling, I opened up the black duster I was wearing and stood tall ( I'm 6'5" ), just hoping that the appearance of looking bigger would deter him. As I backed away I found a sturdy stick just in case he lunged, as it turned out ( to my relief) , we just went our separate ways. My family didn't believe my story about his size, until they saw his lost dog poster with him standing next to his owner. She said, "he's just a giant puppy who would have come up to you if you called him". I was relieved that he wasn't vicious, lol.
I tend to agree with what was said about in this video about "posturing". I had never heard the term used before watching this video. I have very often encountered people who revert to posturing and many times thought the same thing to myself. It's almost like an animal that puffs out it's fur to make itself appear bigger and more ferocious than it really is. It's definitely not the best option in all situations as like what was said in this video, we have no idea who we're dealing with in all situations. Also I guess the moral (or one of the morals) to this video is violence is more often than not, avoidable, therefore should when possible, be avoided.
Hey Tim! I think you will recall my son, Chad Read, who was shot and killed a year ago in Lubbock. Watching your message today, it is clear that Chad would still be alive if he had used flight, his killer gave Chad many chances to leave the area, or used submission, I don't think the killer would have shot Chad if Chad had simply said ok, I get it. But, Chad chose to Posture and told the killer that he had better use that gun or Chad would take it away and use it on the killer. Of course, the killer called my son Chad's bluff and after a one-second scuffle, shot Chad through the heart on video. The special Grand Jury didn't charge the killer with a crime, probably because Chad had made a Posturing threat. Thanks for this message, it will not bring my son back, his Mom and his kids will never have Dad back again but hopefully, others will understand how dangerous it is to Posture when you have other options. Good luck my friend. I will pass this great advice along to my friends and family. Come and visit me in Mexico.
Wayne, so sorry for your loss. That’s a tragic story. Thanks so much for reaching out. I hope your story will help other people realize the dangers of posturing. I wish you and the family all the best.
How do i not FREEZE in a fight? When i was in a few fights, i was in martial arts at the time and was even over-confident in my skills. I thought i could beat most people in a street fight. But each time it happened. I froxe. My legs were jelly..couldnt even run away...just got my ass kicked. Is there a way to get over this? I was so confident so not sure why it happens?
Look into stoic philosophy. Emotions have less effect on you when you distinguish between what is in your control (intentions) and what is not (outcomes) and stop stressing about things you don't control (outcomes). Also you must understand the futility of emotions. That is the fact that reality is whatever it is regardless of how you feel about it. Being scared doesn't make a situation less dangerous. Intend to try your best and leave the rest to fate being content with any outcome. You will notice how militaristic cultures taught ideologies aimed at minimizing fear of death such as rewards in the afterlife, an obsession with "honor" or reincarnation. Adjust the lens through which you see the world and your emotional responses will change. Having said that please avoid fighting because fear of fighting is really quite rational and justified.
From a legal perspective, flight is definitely the best option but anything you do to try to mitigate violence like non-lethal pepper spray is a huge plus in court. It is critical to remember the legal distinction between the right to use non-lethal force versus the rare instance of the right to use lethal force. The first will get you around 3 months in jail and the latter will get you life in prison or death. The stand you ground statute in many states is not respected by the cops who refuse to accept the new law. Honestly, I think the cops are now worse than the criminals.
Normally I think you're spot on or at least close. In this case I think you've wandered off the reservation on 2 key points. By the way I cite my experience as well as that of Mark the Animal MacYoung, Rory Miller and Gavin DeBecker. All 4 of us have in common having faced predators wheras I don't think you have given your tone here. First the stalker at the bar. I find it extraordinarily unlikely he was deterred by the business woman. Most likely he WAS deterred by camera footage and a bar full of witnesses who would likely intervene. A handful of drunks put put a bad hurt on even someone with a weapon. Reframe the situation in the following manner. How would that have played out in a more private, secluded area? Not well, I think. Secondly and why I think you have yet to face a human predator is your complete misunderstanding of the Vagal Freeze response. It is NOT under rational control and it is NOT capitulation. Yes, fear triggers it but it's a hardwired response, reference Dr Steven Porges who IS an expert on vagal responses. Even veteran military and law enforcement experience it. For you to say a freeze is surrender is not only ignorant, it's insulting to those of us who HAVE experienced sudden, raw violence. I managed to break through my freeze as do the pros. Ask Rory Miller if he ever froze and he'll tell you he has. Tell him he thus surrendered and hed tell you to go #@&% yourself. As would I. Not everyone is built like a brick $#!t house. You have the luxury of that opinion because of your physique. So in this regard, you're as clueless as the pampered protesters on facing down a tiger.
@@rodvan-zeller6360 I meant in so far as having to face a violent predator. Because Tim is bigger stronger and faster no criminal would mess with him unless it was a SSS. Wheras I'm more Rory's size so I've seen my fair share of it. In my life, they're thankfully rare but not "black swan" events as Tim describes them.
@@markwest7258 Understood. I am smaller than Rory, so i have been targeted several times , thanks to all my training nothing bad happened to me . Rory is very correct that when you are able to stay unusually calm when dealing with a predator it makes them very nervous, this only happens when our subconscious trusts the training.
@Mark West You are assuming I think if you freeze that it means capitulation. You seem to infer that you’ve experienced a situation where you initially froze then acted. That is not surrender. If you fail to understand the general 4 responses to a threat as I outlined then there’s little I can do. And your assumptions of me are laughable when it comes to what I have and haven’t experienced. Very familiar with each persons work you listed and 2 wrote very nice blurbs for my last 2 books. All I can say is your assumptions are way off the mark when it comes to me.
@Mark West Sorry forgot to address you’re first point about the stalker not being deterred by the female exec. You may be right as to why he decided to leave but that wasn’t my point... doesn’t matter why he left what matters is she was of the opinion that it was because of her which was the problem I pointed out. This really seemed to trigger you Mark you have way more issues you brought up about me, my size and your supposed knowledge of my life events. I know nothing of you or your experiences nor would I speculate because those would be dangerous assumptions.
Yes Tim happened to me at a bar I was with my wife and I got up to use the bathroom and some people were playing darts and I walked passed them not knowing I walked past the dart board when this woman was about to throw her dart I put my hand on her shoulder and said I'm sorry did not mean to walk in front of you. she said no that was fine. about a hour later me and my wife were eating or dinner and from behind a guy put his hand on my shoulder and said that I touched his wife and if I did it again he was going to take me out.and told me to look at the side of his belt I have a knife in my holder. and said I will cut your throat.and after watching all your videos I said to him I'm sorry did not mean to walk or touch her. and he tried to keep it going asking me do you understand what I said. now my wife was getting scared. anyway we got up paid the bill and as we were walking out his wife came up and said she was sorry every time he drinks he gets like this. I said I could tell thats why we just left. so thanks tim for the great advise made me the better person. Mike
While investigating homicides and jump-ons in the 80's and 90's, I was intrigued by people who survived violence. I always wanted to know why they got shot, punched, or stabbed. I found a common denominator or a sequence of events that led up the violence. I coined what I found the "THE TWO STAGES TO AND ASS KICKING" ( or shooting etc). I found that the first stage is the Advisement Stage where posturing occurs from an aggressive anti social person. The aggressor is literally advising you that he is going to kick your ass. How stupid is that? It is like God provided us with a chance to survive by letting dumb people advise us. Now I believe this defect comes from the animal kingdom where animals fluff up feathers or rear up on their hind legs etc to try to intimidate their opponent. Andit comes from Hollywood in which people always say stupid cute things in the most vulnerable situations. So once the bad guy advise youy, they are most likely to move to the second stage, the Ass Kicking stage or the shooting stage. So the trick here is to keep the aggressor in the first stage where he is harmless. You are in control here and he doesn't even know it. How? By not letting your self be advised. That means no communication and not even eye contact. If you lock eyes with him, consider our self advised. Now during this time, you are planning your acts of survival and positioning yourself to survive. You are seeking a level of survivability from 0 to 100 where 0 you lose or die, and 100 you win and live. 100 can mean just getting the fk away. So when you find yourself in a bad situation and being targeted and being advised, you have to position yourself and elevate yourself to a higher level of survivability. If you are sitting, stand up. Gain distance, etc. But do not let your self be "advised". What you are doing in effect is controlling that person because most aggressors who are posturing are still in the advisement stage. Very seldom will they go to the ass kicking stage when they come up to you and advise you. And in fact if they do approach you, they are in a state of mind locked into advising you. Not attacking you, but advising you because most likely they have never experienced this. What he doesn't know is that you are in a state of surviving an eminent attack from which you have no other choice but to use violence. So while he is advising you and he gets into your space of no return you should be pre-emptively initiating your planned act for survival. You cut him short in distance from when he expects to be in your face wondering why you are not letting yourself be advised. At a predetermined peripherally versioned established point of no return say 3 feet from you, you should be turning into him and driving one of your limbs through his body. Quick and dirty. By the same token, Like Tim say, you should never Posture or like I say, "never advise". That is foolish because by doing so you might meet a person like me who will not be advised. And why lower your chance of winning when you tell the opponent you want to kick his ass. If you must kick someone's ass, just go kick it. Don't jaw-jack and don't advise. If you see someone attacking a fellow human being and you feel you must help that person, you go right to stage 2, the ass kicking stage. Our military did not advise Iraq that they were on there way to kick their ass in the 90's. They just went and did it. What I speak of here has saved my life. It works. Thank you Tim.
@@donaldclifford5763 irrelevant , making threats is illegal . Plus if you are communicating it is a social situation it means you have the option of preclusion.
Never had a real fight in my life; if it was real I'd just pick up the nearest heaviest object and bash you over the head with it. My younger brother had a fight, bashed the guy's head against the toilet war, it ain't glamorous that's for sure. Me and him did the Kung Fu thing when we we're younger, good for physical conditioning.
I think there's a fine line between posturing and deterrence. Deterrence is good, posturing is bad. You can send non-confrontational signals to people that it would be very risky for them to attack you. These have to be absolutely credible.
You always speak as if your student is all alone on the streets, by himself. I bet he will usually be with his family, his children. I'd like you to bring this into you lessons as the response to violence needs to change drastically when you are not the only one under threat. Sure you can run (flight) but how about your wife, do you live her behind ? You can fight but you child may not and there are two atackers so maybe capitulate ? Complicated, my head hurts just to imagine this situations !
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Capitulation, to get close is devastating if you know what to do.But there can be no hesitation. And the look of surprise is priceless!
Especially on your face when you find out he is better than you and he goes to work. Smh.
Posturing in a dangerous situation,is kind of like a bluff in poker. "YOU NEVER KNOW WHO YOUR DEALING WITH ". , Tim that is so true . Much Respect & thanks again ..
And you are betting your house on the bluff.
My dad taught us to try and always diffuse a bad situation and avoid a fight. He said you never really know who you’re dealing with , but don’t be a punching bag and defend innocent people being victimized.
My Dad did the same with
me
Cop and DT trainer since the 80s. I've worked with many cops who's SOP was posturing, they were able to start a fight (that others had to finish) in the most chill situations. It was all they had in their tool box except their sidearm. Dangerous to everyone around them. Get trained.
Tim, you're giving life saving advice.
Only to the Sheep..
@@kemonoyama2084 what's a sheep?
Posturing is what I’ve always done I grew up with a rageaholic father and I got very good and intimidating with Posturing until I got punched in the head - learned a painful but extremely humbling lesson
Thing with posturing is always expect & be ready for a violent response. The level of response varies.
In my situation, feigned capitulation is an important tool. If I can get hands-on it's over and I go home in one piece. for me, it's just the way I have to operate sometimes.
Saw the posturing a lot in my 34 year law career on both sides, it got a lot of feelings hurt. Keep up the great leadership, praying or your better half everyday, GOD Bless
Thanks Tim for all the wisdom and knowledge...I have read Col. Grossman's book "On Killing", fantastic book imho. I have been fed corrections officer 20+ years, four joints, criminal social posturing easily seen from the pen I worked at all tje way to the soft med joint I am stationed at now. The respectful criminals( convicts not inmates) are the most dangerous in my experience...stay safe and thanks again for all you and your team provide
Thank you sir. Sincerely. This message was received loud and clear. I look forward to learning how to conduct, anticipate and react in the wisest fashion to social aggression. I want to learn so I can teach my 8 year old nephew how to be smart about his interactions with folks who express themselves in an aggressive way. There is a Zen in your teachings that I sense. I appreciate your service to the world Mr Larson.
Tim, using an example where the movies got something right, a great
dramatic act of capitulation was portrayed by Anthony Quinn in "The Guns
of Navarone". He was a tough resistance fighter who, pretending to be a
coward, fell on his knees in front of the his Nazi captuers.
Excellent!! I'm greatly honored to have been trained by you.. Il never posture and I always have found a way to leave a dangerous situation by seeing it before it escalated. There's times I've called police to deal with it. To me violence unless impossible always a last resort. Because of your training I know I don't ever have to prove myself to anyone! God Bless.,. DB
The story about posturing was right on!! Back in the day it was called "Bluffing" and as in cards sometimes you can bluff the $hi! outta people and get away with it... then there is that one time that, as in cards... someone calls your bluff. Except that you aint playing cards, you're fighting for your life, and now that bluff has put you in a terribly vulnerable situation.
The other aspect about your video that I really liked was when you addressed how you handle yourself with people. I feel that this is an important part of martial art that is not discussed enough. Being polite, courteous and non-threatening as a good way to conduct yourself as a man "Pride cometh before the fall", "A short temper will make a fool out you soon enough", etc, etc... but there is a solid martial aspect to this too, “Let your plans be dark and impenetrable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt” Sun Tzu
PS: I bought your book... I really enjoyed it
Thanks again
Tim is a Master of Combat Survial !! He is also a Master of Psychology in Combat ! This is as always a Great Human giving Back to Society! Thank You Tim !!!!
I work security in a casino. There was a time when I capitulated because I was surrounded and cornered by 4 very large drunk guys over having outside alcohol. Skipping the hilarious story and straight to the point I managed to talk them down and get them laughing so it worked out in everyone's favor. Though the position I was in was the worst you can be in that situation, so it could have gone really bad.
Great vid. I teach a similat thing in my Gutter Fighting classes, as the "6 Fs", fight, flight, fronting (posturing), folding (capitulation), freezing and fainting. It is a fascinating topic that helps to understand our psychological and physiological responses to threat.
Yes! This is so very true!
Posturing isn't limited to people. I used to work at the edge of a wilderness, and we had an old, female bobcat on the place. Somebody brought in a young dumb puppy. He stopped about 10 feet from the cat and started barking his fool head off. He 'knew" that when he barked at (domestic) cats they ran away. The bobcat closed the distance and raked the puppy across the muzzle with her front claws. He survived but he never barked at a cat again.
In a bar I should not have been, actually it was a bar no one should have been in. It was in New Jersey years ago and a drunk thug decided he did not like my southern accent. There was no way by this fool to the door. I judged it was going to be a fight all I could do was decide where and when.
I made myself even smaller than I normally am, 5' 7", raised both hands in a "stop" gesture took half a step towards him and said, "Let me ask you a question." While he was waiting for the question I gave him a Brachial stun that took him to his knees and a follow up that put him on the floor. Then I walked out.
Good words Mr. Larkin, I have come to really enjoy your advice in my old age. Had I had it in my young age I might have saved myself some trouble. Not to mention some scars.
This is brilliant. It could save a lot of lives if people would watch it. I've lived in Oakland for decades and I run into situations on the regular where violence could easily happen. Our natural ego makes us want to think we're macho or macha and that we can get out of it by showing that. The far better solution is to get out if possible without posturing. In Oakland, probably half the population is carrying a weapon of some kind. Many people are broke, angry, or don't think the police will ever catch them. We have catalytic converter thefts where people think they can yell the thieves away, and then a few have gotten shot just for yelling. In situations where people are confronting me for no good reason or trying to take my stuff, my younger self would have postured, and my older, wiser self will always give up the property, back off if possible to call the police from a safe locale later, or apologize or walk away in a trivial confrontation, but by all means get away if at all possible. If it's not possible to escape and my life is being threatened and backing down is not the answer, then I will use all the violence I have in my 65-year-old body. Every word of this video is worth listening to.
Tim, you really dissect the nature of violence, I think to many people d’ont realized its constant presence. Very good subject about the posturing. I do agree about it’s danger, I would also add if the person calls your bluff and you move in, even if you win the fight you might find yourself falling into regrets and deep trouble that you never wanted get yourself into from the start!
Thank you Tim as always for providing vital information.
From my prior training it was obvious and vital that you never underestimate another individual. One situation was in training many years ago, when a young lady about 5'6" and 100 lbs soaking wet, took down a 6'5" 225lb or more guy like a matchstick. He didn't know what hit him, but he learned a valuable lesson as we all did
This is exactly what I was looking for to teach to my adult students. Of course they will all know that it came from you, Tim. Thank you for what you do.
As a 'bigger' guy, learned about posturing at Marine boot camp.
Selling 'woof tickets' got me a mouth shot, from a dude who wasnt buying it.
Needless to say, I got out of that business.
Size ain't shit
-Bushwick Bill (r.i.p.)
I've known a number of people that simply abhor violence in any context --- to the point of refusing to learn how t o protect themselves when violence erupts. My sister-in-law chose the fight response by refusing to give up her purse. The thief grabbed the purse and the strap threw her to the ground resulting in long lasting brain damage. Violence often happens when you're not expecting it and from unforeseen sources. My sister was home alone with her husband. He choked her death --- an error in either capitulation and/or being unwilling to learn self defense.
Condolences for your loss
@@GeefromZee That is kind of you. It is indeed difficult to challenge the mindset of those that think it will never happen to them...
Ego does nothing but get you into trouble, be smart instead
Yep, had this lession in highschool and bullys; right again!!!
Tim, thank you for the insight on the appropriately expanded definition of something “we’ve all heard” about “fight or flight”! Keep bringing this useful information!
Fight, flight, freeze, the freeze part is often part of trauma
Good, sound, level headed advice.
Tim, thank you for all this valuable information. I try to pass this on to as many as I can and this segment is extremely valuable in regards to posturing, I have been saying for years.....you never know who your screwing with, it's easier to be nice and walk away if you can.
We were taught flinch, fence, fight, flight, freeze... also the dog analogy is great but I prefer the cat version lol it gives the impression of submission on its back but actually it’s presenting all five weapons!
What's the quote? "Don't let your mouth write checks that your ass can't cash!"
Yep, my late father used to say the same thing but this way. "Don't let your temper get bigger than your ass!"
Wonder what the modern version of these warnings are. "Don't bully him cause dude looks like a mass shooter." Who knows 🙄
I share you videos on my social media...as often as possible... all I can say is God bless you. THANKS FOR SHARING SUCH PRECIOUS ADVISE.
I want Tim's secret to look like just fresh from the shower. Ok, now jokes apart, since I apply what I learned from Tim's videos and "When violence is the answer" when I watch videos from others content creators, I can't look as before the other channels who now seems to me as "combat sport" oriented. To be honest, is like I'm beginning my own thought process, discovering that violence is just at the tip of my fingers but so far from me and my social context. It's serious stuff, all my life I learned to not cross the line from the "words domain" to the "acting out", but now I know that is my responsibility also being proficient when the narrow space of "acting out" appears.
FANTASTIC observations! Yes, I have seen it a lot also ; guys who 'posture' as their go-to response. What I thought was funny, many times, it wasn't needed. If they'd been polite and non-threatening --the situation would have quickly diffused. As you said --these men do not have a violence toolbox or training to respond if things go south. Fortunately for them, they were not pounded into the ground. Ha, which means they think this tactic works! It IS indeed extremely dangerous.
Bless you!
Very solid advice Tim. You mentioned posturing which I agree it is a very bad choice. This however got me thinking that it might be useful to have a discussion on how to use body language to de-escalate a situation
Great baseline explanation of these four elements and done in such a way so as to make the topic readily understood. I never viewed capitulation as having two possible avenues and posturing, while always in front of us, was not much thought of as being part of the equation. As regards posturing, it immediately made me think of how it was done against me a few months ago from a neighbor - a gentleman whom I've never had a foul word or interaction. Within that scenario in and of itself my mind flashed through several of your earlier discussions on violence and how one's mind runs through a "reasoning" process as to why someone is behaving as they were. But likewise, I also recognized in that incident that he was closing on me quickly and I also knew that I was not going to let him get too close to me either - should he feel he was going to cause me physical harm. Fortunately it didn't go that far and all has been quiet long since. Nonetheless, this presentation was done very well and insightful. Thank you for posting this - and all the other work that you do.
Great post, Tim, it is refreshing to have content out there where concepts of true "self-defense" are shared. The majority of material out there as you know mimics responses out of movies or wishful imaginary situations if one believed they were an MMA fighter. Truth be told, most 'fights' can be avoided and assaults should be dealt with appropriately. The responses here should be understood and utilized to apply self-control during live situations take full responsibility for the choice they make during the altercation. Awareness is key and the most important element in these types of scenarios. I personally can remember each of these responses that I have chosen during verbal/physical confrontations. Flight, by far had the best outcome. EGO/Pride, although may be hard to swallow, imposing danger to yourself, others, and no regard to your loved ones, to return home safe, is never the best option. I agree to the fight when left with no choice and bodily damage to yourself is also not an option. Capitulation is probably my last choice and if chosen, probably the feint type would be my thought. I did get out of a situation with 2 individuals ready to attack me, feinted submission, to take out the first person, and able to easily get away from the second. I remember very few times using posturing, all the time knowing it was a risk and luckily one the poker hand. But as you mentioned, it all is a risk and every scene is situational. Always prepare both mentally and physically, heighten awareness at all times is crucial and avoidance is one of the best choices. One of my absolute favorite quotes, “It is better to be a warrior in a garden than a gardener in a war.”
Appreciate you taking the time to comment. Glad you enjoy the content.
Good information. Thanks for sharing. A scenario, one that I saw in the news recently, was a guy holding a gun at a cashier over the counter. You can't really close distance, as the counter and cash register are between the robber and the yourself. You will be shot if you try to run. Capitulation is the response most likely to keep you alive, if you're just being robbed. Maybe you see other options?
I have tried to avoid posturing it's got my ass kicked. I have learned to control my ego. Flight is the best. However, I have also learned there is a time and place to fight and time to "hold your corner". I agree with you on the violence being the ultimate last choice. Thanks for your videos.
This was a 100% spot on.
when you talked about posturing the first image that came to my mind was the lawyer in a pink shirt with an ar 15 in front of his house, the second image was two mma competitors facing of before their athletic event. cant decide which one is more ridiculous from a tactical perspective.
Thank you for sound advice.
Well done, Tim.
The behavioral responses discussed here were laid down by our prehistoric ancestors, for whom these were quite literally keys to their survival. However, as a species we are unable to evolve quickly enough to adapt to modern living, so it is up to the individual to learn about things like violence, stress, human interaction, and this rarely discussed thing known as emotional intelligence, which when developed will greatly improve your response to all kinds of stressful situations.
Once again you are spot on... Way to elaborate on "Posturing"...
Very good, thank you very much
Excellent, TY
Ty Mr tim for this excellent information
Colonel Grossman's book proved to be prophetic; we've made a generation of mindless, soulless, amoral zombies with video games.
@@QuantumPyrite_88.9 yep you're 100% correct sir. I work in education and I routinely deal with high school boys who are physically weak, whiny, and yet despite my time in the military; they routinely try to lecture me about how bad ass they are because of their favorite rap they listen to coupled with how they play call of duty. It's sad how much our society has degenerated.
@@QuantumPyrite_88.9 man that's awful, that they could be that clueless. I'm sorry for your loss, and I hope they learn to appreciate your service. It seems like Americans are becoming further and further detached from the realities of the world. It's a sad thing.
Thank you sir. I appreciate the information
Very well thought out and presented it fits well with my own observations and experience. Thanks Tim.
Thank you Tim, for sharing and teaching all these life saving skills! Do you recomend a tactic against a dog attack? How to deal with that efficiently? Thomas
Posturing is something people often think I am doing because I don't really associate with people and tend to just stand there with my arms folded across my chest and legs slightly spread similar to standing at ease. It's not intentional but that's what people think I am doing. When it comes to confrontation I am more likely to run or capitulate than I am to fight. Because I don't want to risk injury and I don't want to harm others. But if I am swung on, the gloves are off and I don't stop until they give up or I have to retreat because their buddies are coming.
Great Info as usual. Do you have any videos that go into the "6 seconds before a shooting spree"?
Thanku tim
When it comes to a person's natural posture (rather than intentional posturing), skilled human predators are able to size up potential victims by how erect they stand, the way they walk, swing their arms, look around, etc. Lions prefer making kills that require the least amount of effort, as do asocial humans. If you "walk tall" deliberately, you are less likely to be seen as easy prey.
I agree, I think there's a difference in terms of posturing where you're not easy prey, your switched on, walking tall, and in an altercation, act like you're not afraid of violence (even if your words are saying that you don't want any trouble, or telling someone forcefully not to get closer, or no, you don't have the time) versus posturing where you're actively antagonizing the situation in defence of your ego. The latter is dangerous, the former is extremely useful in warding of violence or getting yourself into a state of readiness in case it kicks off
I've done posturing during intense situations and it worked, but only now I realize how dangerous it was to do that
I know few, when you raise your voice to their posturing, they fly like an eagle
If it works, great. If not, go to Plan B.
Tim's opened up a big can of worms here! It's true, you can't tell what is going on inside someone's head, which translates to: no one can tell what's going on inside my head either. I'm a Sigma Male, which is the same thing as an Alpha, but who prefers to work alone, prefers solitude. I do all my best work alone. I tackle a project head on and I am a tireless worker. Wasting no time, I get things done and outperform everyone. Tim's 100% spot on--posturing could be deadly. I know from past experience. It can get you into a real mess. Don't do it. I never posture. I do as little interacting with people as I can, but when I do choose to interact or engage I give them my full attention. If someone is threatening and I engage them--I am ready to go all the way. But 99.9% of the time I ignore such people and just leave. In social situations, such as the workplace, where I don't have the option to ignore others and pass them by, I feign capitulation. I act uneducated and sometimes even incompetent. I do this because I am seeking out the rabid dogs among us. When you feign weakness, it tends to bring out the bully, the big boss in some people. They will try to treat me badly, sabotage me, make fun of me, etc. for what they have mistakenly identified as weakness. Now, I know who they are and what they are about. Deflating their ego, destroying them after that is easy. I just find holes in their personality, their work ethic, their performance--and exploit them. Then they're scared of me and keep away. They thought I was stupid, an easy mark and set out to make themselves look great at my expense. In my latest example, one particular scoundrel I was unfortunately burdened with the task of training came off as a rabid dog. I capitulated, let New Guy get away with not getting his job done, walking all over us, being rude, etc. Then came the day I knew would come: my being called into the directors office to give my evaluation of New Guy. I let him have it, of course. I made no bones about his temperament, performance, attitude, skills, etc. being ALL BAD. But New Guy shammed the director into thinking he was good to go on his own. Ah! The day I was waiting for! Of course everything was a shambles. I refused to help him in any way. He did not know what to do. He ruined everything he touched. Make a long story short, New Guy is no longer with us, and I am glad to say I took part in getting that job done, just as I am more than happy to put another hoodlum in jail and/or in hospital. But in the really real world of violence, as a lifelong student of violence, I tell you I never play these games. I'm either ready to take him out or I'm out of there. The real leaders and non-leaders who are good people trying to do their level best and get on with it are easy to spot. Nothing to do there. I applaud them, help them out, watch their backs, sometimes even become friends. The rest of them can go hang. I remain, faithfully yours, The Cunning Monk, The Raven, The Watchful Exploiter, The Secret Strategist, The Anti Social, The Lifelong Student of Violence! PENETRATE--ROTATE--INJURE!
Hey, if you can't do the time , don't do the crime. Excellant video. It's hard when the ego wants to fight. It's hard to leave or appologize but, it's the best thing to do. Refain from violent behavior.
The nicest guy you've ever met
Great advice
Before I even write anything Tim I just want to thank you for what you do. I live over in the UK and only the bad guys get to carry guns here; so your type of information could save a life here. On posturing ( I'm a dog cat person); you will see interspecies posturing from neighbourhood cats who run into one of your dogs. Now granted these are both domestic animals rather than wild and to be fair your tomcat will bring it if he has to; just a thought.
I've had men trying to use fake "I'm no danger to you" stuff (fake capitulation) to try to close the gap on me. It was creepy as all Hell since I could see right through it. They weren't good at hiding their real intent. They didn't get to close that gap.
I'm interested in how you teach (legally) blind clients. I know the short answer is "they get on the mat and figure it out" but is there more emphasis on throwing (Judo is the go to martial art/sport for blind people) or an extra step to index targets by touch in place of sight? (Both in terms of practice and live application)
good stuff
great video tim lots of info
When unarmed and out in the open, capitulation might be employed to draw in an armed shooter who has already fired upon you and/or is most likely intent upon doing so from a threateningly close range. Question then is, although quite situationally determined, what capitulation technique(s) to consider. ??
I just had a sitsituation a few days ago a road rage incident to long to go into but yes i just drove away
Tim, if someone bumps into you in public. For example, your walking down the sidewalk and a rude person just bumps into you and doesn’t say “sorry”. You say you treat everyone you don’t know like they are 6 seconds away from violence?
There was a guy strutting around by an ATM machine along the route that I was walking home. I did not know his intention and I did not want to walk by him, even though it was a sunny nice day in the middle of town. At about 70 feet away, I made a subtle gesture of heading straight towards him and quickened my pace. This was not meant to threaten or challenge him, but to make him reveal his intent, and I had already calculated several options. If he reciprocated, squared up and came towards me, I would take that as a sign he was ready to engage in a fight. I had several shops I could duck into if he did that (cell phones weren't yet a thing) but I was also prepared to fight if I had to, though I was not planning to be the aggressor, nor was I looking for a fight. I had plenty of distance still, and plenty of options if he decided to engage. Fortunately, when he saw me do that, he crossed the street and went off in another direction., so I continued on my way, though I still kept on eye on him. I was not looking for a fight, and did not want to engage, but at the same time, his posturing did make me want to determine his intent before I got anywhere close to him. How would you recommend one handle a situation like this?
Sometimes, it's referred to as "fright" in psychology: Fight, Flight, or Fright.
I think posturing sometimes works on other species. Years ago I was walking my girlfriend home at night. On the way back, I was surprised by a massive rottweiler who seemed to be the size of a pony in my mind. As he slowly approached while growling, I opened up the black duster I was wearing and stood tall ( I'm 6'5" ), just hoping that the appearance of looking bigger would deter him. As I backed away I found a sturdy stick just in case he lunged, as it turned out ( to my relief) , we just went our separate ways. My family didn't believe my story about his size, until they saw his lost dog poster with him standing next to his owner. She said, "he's just a giant puppy who would have come up to you if you called him". I was relieved that he wasn't vicious, lol.
The most dangerous man I ever mat was the quietest most humble man I ever met.
Have you ever had to use violence to
de-escalate. And how do you avoid confrontations
like you sede i fight people that tired too posture
I tend to agree with what was said about in this video about "posturing". I had never heard the term used before watching this video. I have very often encountered people who revert to posturing and many times thought the same thing to myself. It's almost like an animal that puffs out it's fur to make itself appear bigger and more ferocious than it really is. It's definitely not the best option in all situations as like what was said in this video, we have no idea who we're dealing with in all situations. Also I guess the moral (or one of the morals) to this video is violence is more often than not, avoidable, therefore should when possible, be avoided.
I think it should be Fight, Flight or Fake Capitulation.....Posturing wouldn't work with someone who is used to violence.
Submit and posturing are seen in the animal kingdom as well; erecting hair (e.g., mane) and cats arching back.
Tom Gutheil
Hey Tim! I think you will recall my son, Chad Read, who was shot and killed a year ago in Lubbock. Watching your message today, it is clear that Chad would still be alive if he had used flight, his killer gave Chad many chances to leave the area, or used submission, I don't think the killer would have shot Chad if Chad had simply said ok, I get it. But, Chad chose to Posture and told the killer that he had better use that gun or Chad would take it away and use it on the killer. Of course, the killer called my son Chad's bluff and after a one-second scuffle, shot Chad through the heart on video. The special Grand Jury didn't charge the killer with a crime, probably because Chad had made a Posturing threat. Thanks for this message, it will not bring my son back, his Mom and his kids will never have Dad back again but hopefully, others will understand how dangerous it is to Posture when you have other options. Good luck my friend. I will pass this great advice along to my friends and family. Come and visit me in Mexico.
Wayne, so sorry for your loss. That’s a tragic story. Thanks so much for reaching out. I hope your story will help other people realize the dangers of posturing. I wish you and the family all the best.
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Does anyone know who is certified to teach TFT in Las Vegas NV. On regular bases
How do i not FREEZE in a fight? When i was in a few fights, i was in martial arts at the time and was even over-confident in my skills. I thought i could beat most people in a street fight. But each time it happened. I froxe. My legs were jelly..couldnt even run away...just got my ass kicked. Is there a way to get over this? I was so confident so not sure why it happens?
Get your training partners to try to yell/intimidate you before you spar. Get used to dealing with stress. It’ll take time, but there’s no quick fix.
Look into stoic philosophy. Emotions have less effect on you when you distinguish between what is in your control (intentions) and what is not (outcomes) and stop stressing about things you don't control (outcomes). Also you must understand the futility of emotions. That is the fact that reality is whatever it is regardless of how you feel about it. Being scared doesn't make a situation less dangerous. Intend to try your best and leave the rest to fate being content with any outcome. You will notice how militaristic cultures taught ideologies aimed at minimizing fear of death such as rewards in the afterlife, an obsession with "honor" or reincarnation. Adjust the lens through which you see the world and your emotional responses will change. Having said that please avoid fighting because fear of fighting is really quite rational and justified.
Pressure test. Under extreme stress, make sure you move. Breathe ( various simple breathing patterns are available).
@@bobadams7654 That’s a good one too.
that procedure trains to increase freeze time
First clash of cultures was 7th grade.Poor,scrappy kids and well to do kids.Lot of fun with posturing and fighting.
I just confirmed 10 people who are posturing 😂😂.
From a legal perspective, flight is definitely the best option but anything you do to try to mitigate violence like non-lethal pepper spray is a huge plus in court. It is critical to remember the legal distinction between the right to use non-lethal force versus the rare instance of the right to use lethal force. The first will get you around 3 months in jail and the latter will get you life in prison or death. The stand you ground statute in many states is not respected by the cops who refuse to accept the new law. Honestly, I think the cops are now worse than the criminals.
With regards to cops that’s not even remotely true.
Normally I think you're spot on or at least close. In this case I think you've wandered off the reservation on 2 key points. By the way I cite my experience as well as that of Mark the Animal MacYoung, Rory Miller and Gavin DeBecker. All 4 of us have in common having faced predators wheras I don't think you have given your tone here.
First the stalker at the bar. I find it extraordinarily unlikely he was deterred by the business woman. Most likely he WAS deterred by camera footage and a bar full of witnesses who would likely intervene. A handful of drunks put put a bad hurt on even someone with a weapon. Reframe the situation in the following manner. How would that have played out in a more private, secluded area? Not well, I think.
Secondly and why I think you have yet to face a human predator is your complete misunderstanding of the Vagal Freeze response. It is NOT under rational control and it is NOT capitulation. Yes, fear triggers it but it's a hardwired response, reference Dr Steven Porges who IS an expert on vagal responses. Even veteran military and law enforcement experience it. For you to say a freeze is surrender is not only ignorant, it's insulting to those of us who HAVE experienced sudden, raw violence. I managed to break through my freeze as do the pros.
Ask Rory Miller if he ever froze and he'll tell you he has. Tell him he thus surrendered and hed tell you to go #@&% yourself. As would I. Not everyone is built like a brick $#!t house. You have the luxury of that opinion because of your physique. So in this regard, you're as clueless as the pampered protesters on facing down a tiger.
It seams that Tim is incomplete not clueless . I have all of Sargent Rory Miller's books and dvds great material.
@@rodvan-zeller6360 I meant in so far as having to face a violent predator. Because Tim is bigger stronger and faster no criminal would mess with him unless it was a SSS. Wheras I'm more Rory's size so I've seen my fair share of it. In my life, they're thankfully rare but not "black swan" events as Tim describes them.
@@markwest7258 Understood. I am smaller than Rory, so i have been targeted several times , thanks to all my training nothing bad happened to me . Rory is very correct that when you are able to stay unusually calm when dealing with a predator it makes them very nervous, this only happens when our subconscious trusts the training.
@Mark West You are assuming I think if you freeze that it means capitulation. You seem to infer that you’ve experienced a situation where you initially froze then acted. That is not surrender. If you fail to understand the general 4 responses to a threat as I outlined then there’s little I can do. And your assumptions of me are laughable when it comes to what I have and haven’t experienced. Very familiar with each persons work you listed and 2 wrote very nice blurbs for my last 2 books. All I can say is your assumptions are way off the mark when it comes to me.
@Mark West Sorry forgot to address you’re first point about the stalker not being deterred by the female exec. You may be right as to why he decided to leave but that wasn’t my point... doesn’t matter why he left what matters is she was of the opinion that it was because of her which was the problem I pointed out. This really seemed to trigger you Mark you have way more issues you brought up about me, my size and your supposed knowledge of my life events. I know nothing of you or your experiences nor would I speculate because those would be dangerous assumptions.
Yes Tim happened to me at a bar I was with my wife and I got up to use the bathroom and some people were playing darts and I walked passed them not knowing I walked past the dart board when this woman was about to throw her dart I put my hand on her shoulder and said I'm sorry did not mean to walk in front of you. she said no that was fine. about a hour later me and my wife were eating or dinner and from behind a guy put his hand on my shoulder and said that I touched his wife and if I did it again he was going to take me out.and told me to look at the side of his belt I have a knife in my holder. and said I will cut your throat.and after watching all your videos I said to him I'm sorry did not mean to walk or touch her. and he tried to keep it going asking me do you understand what I said. now my wife was getting scared. anyway we got up paid the bill and as we were walking out his wife came up and said she was sorry every time he drinks he gets like this. I said I could tell thats why we just left. so thanks tim for the great advise made me the better person. Mike
While investigating homicides and jump-ons in the 80's and 90's, I was intrigued by people who survived violence. I always wanted to know why they got shot, punched, or stabbed. I found a common denominator or a sequence of events that led up the violence. I coined what I found the "THE TWO STAGES TO AND ASS KICKING" ( or shooting etc). I found that the first stage is the Advisement Stage where posturing occurs from an aggressive anti social person. The aggressor is literally advising you that he is going to kick your ass. How stupid is that? It is like God provided us with a chance to survive by letting dumb people advise us. Now I believe this defect comes from the animal kingdom where animals fluff up feathers or rear up on their hind legs etc to try to intimidate their opponent. Andit comes from Hollywood in which people always say stupid cute things in the most vulnerable situations. So once the bad guy advise youy, they are most likely to move to the second stage, the Ass Kicking stage or the shooting stage. So the trick here is to keep the aggressor in the first stage where he is harmless. You are in control here and he doesn't even know it. How? By not letting your self be advised. That means no communication and not even eye contact. If you lock eyes with him, consider our self advised. Now during this time, you are planning your acts of survival and positioning yourself to survive. You are seeking a level of survivability from 0 to 100 where 0 you lose or die, and 100 you win and live. 100 can mean just getting the fk away. So when you find yourself in a bad situation and being targeted and being advised, you have to position yourself and elevate yourself to a higher level of survivability. If you are sitting, stand up. Gain distance, etc. But do not let your self be "advised". What you are doing in effect is controlling that person because most aggressors who are posturing are still in the advisement stage. Very seldom will they go to the ass kicking stage when they come up to you and advise you. And in fact if they do approach you, they are in a state of mind locked into advising you. Not attacking you, but advising you because most likely they have never experienced this. What he doesn't know is that you are in a state of surviving an eminent attack from which you have no other choice but to use violence. So while he is advising you and he gets into your space of no return you should be pre-emptively initiating your planned act for survival. You cut him short in distance from when he expects to be in your face wondering why you are not letting yourself be advised. At a predetermined peripherally versioned established point of no return say 3 feet from you, you should be turning into him and driving one of your limbs through his body. Quick and dirty. By the same token, Like Tim say, you should never Posture or like I say, "never advise". That is foolish because by doing so you might meet a person like me who will not be advised. And why lower your chance of winning when you tell the opponent you want to kick his ass. If you must kick someone's ass, just go kick it. Don't jaw-jack and don't advise. If you see someone attacking a fellow human being and you feel you must help that person, you go right to stage 2, the ass kicking stage. Our military did not advise Iraq that they were on there way to kick their ass in the 90's. They just went and did it. What I speak of here has saved my life. It works. Thank you Tim.
Do you do one hour counseling
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Is there a situation where raising your voice with a verbal warning is appropriate?
That would sort of fall under posturing.
silence is golden
@@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595 So no warning before resorting to potentally lethal force?
@@rodvan-zeller6360 Will a verbal warning make an attack more or less likely?
@@donaldclifford5763 irrelevant , making threats is illegal . Plus if you are communicating it is a social situation it means you have the option of preclusion.
Never had a real fight in my life; if it was real I'd just pick up the nearest heaviest object and bash you over the head with it. My younger brother had a fight, bashed the guy's head against the toilet war, it ain't glamorous that's for sure. Me and him did the Kung Fu thing when we we're younger, good for physical conditioning.
Defense of someone else! That's a fight response.. i.e. woman being attacked.. protection of the weak.
I think there's a fine line between posturing and deterrence. Deterrence is good, posturing is bad. You can send non-confrontational signals to people that it would be very risky for them to attack you. These have to be absolutely credible.
Deterrence is not posturing. Posturing is when you have no Skillset to back up your posturing.
@@PROT3CTPROJECT I meant that the physical behaviors of both can be very similar, and the subtleties make the difference in the message sent.
The best are the fat, middle aged guys with all sorts of health problems who like to bark. Hit them anywhere and you are the bad guy.
You mean implying violence, not inferring.
Where did I say that? I tried to catch it but couldn’t see when I used that statement.
@@PROT3CTPROJECT It was in the video. I think it was when you were talking about posturing.
@@georgedeluna855 I will take your world for it and appreciate the correction. Sometimes I go too fast on these videos.
Posturing is very dangerous.............
You always speak as if your student is all alone on the streets, by himself. I bet he will usually be with his family, his children. I'd like you to bring this into you lessons as the response to violence needs to change drastically when you are not the only one under threat. Sure you can run (flight) but how about your wife, do you live her behind ? You can fight but you child may not and there are two atackers so maybe capitulate ? Complicated, my head hurts just to imagine this situations !