Why are you guys stuck in the past, past is past, we should look at the future and try to make our nations living in peace and wealth. Everybody made mistakes but if we insist to continue to do same mistakes both nations will suffer. New generations just want to live better than their ancestors and I agree with them .This world is big enough to feed everybody we just don't know how to share it. Peace brothers and sisters.
Dont forget that greeks declared war againist turkey after the first world war. Greece tried to conquer turkey. But the biggest hero mustafa kemal Atatürk defeated greek army. As a result after the occupation of turkeyby greeks and their defeat caused the abolishment of pontion nation.
The defeat didn't cause the abolishment of the Pontic nation. Turkey's genocide of the local Greek Pontic, Armenian, and Assyrian population was the cause. Truth hurts but the truth is not negotiable.
The Greeks did not declare war against Turkey. The Greeks unsuccessfully attempted to take back the lands occupied by Turkic nomads who came from Central Asia to Asia Minor as invaders and for 500 years were suppressing local populations of the region.
Btw, the 'biggest hero' Mustafa Kemal would do nothing (literally zero) if Mr Lenin (from the newly created state called USSR - i.e. Russia) did not help him with gold, military equipment and military training. The history should be seen from different sources not just what someone told you at your school. Check who is among the closest Kemal's people in the statue at Taxim Square - it is Mr Frunze (one the heads of the military of the USSR). M. Kemal was given huge support from the USSR that is why he achieved that defeat, otherwise the Turkish forces would never be able to do what they did.
Sen sene bak, bizim DNAmizi, torpakimizi, kulturunizi calmissiz da gelib burda soyliormusun. Get senin yalan tarihi oku. Duynanin kulturuna ne kadar biz etik siz 5000 yldan sonra da edemezis.
well, not exactly true... don't forget that half of the pontians were/are muslims... the "kemalists" you mention were also pontians, but muslim pontians.. In other words, muslim part of the pontian nation kicked out the christian part..
Probably you mixed up things in your mind my friend. Read history and you will find out that Pontos was a Greek origin Kingdom. Are there many Turks by the name Mithridates? That means that only Greek origin inhabitants of Pontos can be named Pontians. Nowadays muslim Pontians are those who have been forced to change religion for survival reasons during the period of persecution by the Neoturks. 353.000 Pontian souls are lost in Tamburu Amele and in the endless marching parades they were forced to have. This is a nice trick for Turkey to claim Pontos and the Pontians like they are of Turkish origin in order to cover what they have caused and to refuse the genocide of Greeks of Pontos...
@@educationalorganizationsha9257 My mother's side is from trabzon and I know the region very well.... Muslim pontics were not force-converted in 1920's.. They converted centuries before, by their own will.. And they were/are a very large chunk of the society, by numbers.. Today their older generation still talk pontic greek among themselves.. Up till 1950's, most of trabzon and rize could not talk turkish, or talk it with a terrible accent, which was the butt of the jokes.. But a the same time --and very surprisingly-- trabzon and rize are the most nationalist cities in Turkey.. They are also sickeningly religious.. In 1919-1920-1921 there were no turkish soldiers in pontus.. They were all in the west, fighting the greek army. What happened in trabzon was the attacking of the christian and muslim "çete"s (=mobs) against each other.. These were mostly robbers and lowlifes. But make no mistake, they were all pontics, they were all speaking greek, they were only separated by religion... AFAIK, turks only live in a small region in west trabzon, and they are from the chepni tribe. Apart from that, trabzon was/is ethnically pure pontic. Rize is a mixture between pontic and laz. No ethnic turks live in rize...
@@sahhaf1234 This is not fully right. The Christian populations of Pontos were mainly forced to convert to Islam. This was achieved via direct force (at the beginning of Ottomans invasion - kilic musurmani), via very high fiscal policy imposed on Christian populations (such as harac tax etc in the later stage), via devrishme system (by taking away from their families and converting children of Christian populations) and even at the beginning of 20th century when many became Muslim in order to avoid emigration. With respect to the rest, I would agree that what has happened in Pontos and Anatolia in general is a very sad story. A relatively small number of Turkic tribes converted a huge number of local Anatolians (including Greek, Armenian, Assyrian, Laz, Georgian etc) into Turks, by methodically destroying the rich cultures and languages of the region. It is just a sad story.
@@vp9115 Today, turkish DNA in anatolian people is %30, at best.. The rest is original anatolian DNA.. And I dont believe the majority of them were force-converted.. Ottoman system was much more open compared to byzantine system, there were no aristocracy, getting promoted was very easy, and converts were preferred for every kind of promotion.. So, the original byzantine population preferred to integrate into ottoman system... A convert could and did easily marry sultan's daughter.. Most of the upper crust of ottoman society were converts... Your account was highly romanticised.. Byzantine society was already morbid. They were on their way to become the serfs of latin christians... Ottomans were the best choice for the local population. Ottomans actually discouraged conversions into islam as this reduced their tax income..
@@sahhaf1234 This is not what various reliable sources tell us about - I am referring to conversions. There is no doubt that there was a part of population who preferred to change the religion, but this was a smallest part. It is understandable that in Turkey there must be a different interpretation of this topic.
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Why are you guys stuck in the past, past is past, we should look at the future and try to make our nations living in peace and wealth. Everybody made mistakes but if we insist to continue to do same mistakes both nations will suffer. New generations just want to live better than their ancestors and I agree with them .This world is big enough to feed everybody we just don't know how to share it. Peace brothers and sisters.
The football team Argaeus from Kayseri was not "Pontian." Kayseri is in Cappadoccia which is central Turkey. You've confused Kayseri with Neocaesarea.
This doesn't change the point that they have all been executed because they refused to denounce their Greek identity.
Das Land hat uns gehört von pontos das holen wir wieder zurück
Dont forget that greeks declared war againist turkey after the first world war. Greece tried to conquer turkey. But the biggest hero mustafa kemal Atatürk defeated greek army. As a result after the occupation of turkeyby greeks and their defeat caused the abolishment of pontion nation.
The defeat didn't cause the abolishment of the Pontic nation. Turkey's genocide of the local Greek Pontic, Armenian, and Assyrian population was the cause. Truth hurts but the truth is not negotiable.
Eski Sehir, from Turkish records, if Greeks soldiers had insist their atack for 15 minutes, they would have captured Ankara. You still can't digest it
The Greeks did not declare war against Turkey. The Greeks unsuccessfully attempted to take back the lands occupied by Turkic nomads who came from Central Asia to Asia Minor as invaders and for 500 years were suppressing local populations of the region.
Btw, the 'biggest hero' Mustafa
Kemal would do nothing (literally zero) if Mr Lenin (from the newly created state called USSR - i.e. Russia) did not help him with gold, military equipment and military training. The history should be seen from different sources not just what someone told you at your school. Check who is among the closest Kemal's people in the statue at Taxim Square - it is Mr Frunze (one the heads of the military of the USSR). M. Kemal was given huge support from the USSR that is why he achieved that defeat, otherwise the Turkish forces would never be able to do what they did.
@@vp9115 Yes but you know the reason of the Lenins help to kemal?
Arkadaş sizin cebinize atmak istemediğiniz bir şey yokmu şu dünyada
Sen sene bak, bizim DNAmizi, torpakimizi, kulturunizi calmissiz da gelib burda soyliormusun. Get senin yalan tarihi oku. Duynanin kulturuna ne kadar biz etik siz 5000 yldan sonra da edemezis.
well, not exactly true... don't forget that half of the pontians were/are muslims...
the "kemalists" you mention were also pontians, but muslim pontians.. In other words, muslim part of the pontian nation kicked out the christian part..
Probably you mixed up things in your mind my friend. Read history and you will find out that Pontos was a Greek origin Kingdom. Are there many Turks by the name Mithridates? That means that only Greek origin inhabitants of Pontos can be named Pontians. Nowadays muslim Pontians are those who have been forced to change religion for survival reasons during the period of persecution by the Neoturks. 353.000 Pontian souls are lost in Tamburu Amele and in the endless marching parades they were forced to have. This is a nice trick for Turkey to claim Pontos and the Pontians like they are of Turkish origin in order to cover what they have caused and to refuse the genocide of Greeks of Pontos...
@@educationalorganizationsha9257
My mother's side is from trabzon and I know the region very well....
Muslim pontics were not force-converted in 1920's.. They converted centuries before, by their own will.. And they were/are a very large chunk of the society, by numbers.. Today their older generation still talk pontic greek among themselves.. Up till 1950's, most of trabzon and rize could not talk turkish, or talk it with a terrible accent, which was the butt of the jokes..
But a the same time --and very surprisingly-- trabzon and rize are the most nationalist cities in Turkey.. They are also sickeningly religious..
In 1919-1920-1921 there were no turkish soldiers in pontus.. They were all in the west, fighting the greek army. What happened in trabzon was the attacking of the christian and muslim "çete"s (=mobs) against each other.. These were mostly robbers and lowlifes. But make no mistake, they were all pontics, they were all speaking greek, they were only separated by religion...
AFAIK, turks only live in a small region in west trabzon, and they are from the chepni tribe. Apart from that, trabzon was/is ethnically pure pontic. Rize is a mixture between pontic and laz. No ethnic turks live in rize...
@@sahhaf1234 This is not fully right. The Christian populations of Pontos were mainly forced to convert to Islam. This was achieved via direct force (at the beginning of Ottomans invasion - kilic musurmani), via very high fiscal policy imposed on Christian populations (such as harac tax etc in the later stage), via devrishme system (by taking away from their families and converting children of Christian populations) and even at the beginning of 20th century when many became Muslim in order to avoid emigration.
With respect to the rest, I would agree that what has happened in Pontos and Anatolia in general is a very sad story. A relatively small number of Turkic tribes converted a huge number of local Anatolians (including Greek, Armenian, Assyrian, Laz, Georgian etc) into Turks, by methodically destroying the rich cultures and languages of the region. It is just a sad story.
@@vp9115
Today, turkish DNA in anatolian people is %30, at best.. The rest is original anatolian DNA.. And I dont believe the majority of them were force-converted.. Ottoman system was much more open compared to byzantine system, there were no aristocracy, getting promoted was very easy, and converts were preferred for every kind of promotion.. So, the original byzantine population preferred to integrate into ottoman system... A convert could and did easily marry sultan's daughter.. Most of the upper crust of ottoman society were converts...
Your account was highly romanticised.. Byzantine society was already morbid. They were on their way to become the serfs of latin christians... Ottomans were the best choice for the local population.
Ottomans actually discouraged conversions into islam as this reduced their tax income..
@@sahhaf1234 This is not what various reliable sources tell us about - I am referring to conversions. There is no doubt that there was a part of population who preferred to change the religion, but this was a smallest part. It is understandable that in Turkey there must be a different interpretation of this topic.