Can Eurovision claim to be apolitical after banning Russia? | LBC debate
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- Опубликовано: 10 май 2024
- Ali Miraj wonders if Eurovision can claim to be apolitical after banning Russia following its invasion of Ukraine.
Israel's Eurovision singer Eden Golan was ordered to stay in her hotel room by her country's national security agency yesterday as thousands protested her entry into the competition.
Protesters lined the streets in Malmo to demand that Ms Golan be removed from the renowned song competition, including climate activist Greta Thunberg.
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Ali scared to tell the truth too, it’s so obvious to see but scared to lose his job 🤣🤣Bring back Sangita NOW!
@sey You go away now..and stop with your creepy obsession.
Shelagh Fogarty, James O' Brien and Iain Dale do the same thing! I don't listen. LBC is too far right for me.
Bring bag Sageeta and the show is boring 😴 without Sangeeta like presenter.
Everything is political. This host is horrible
LBC seems to have made a very sudden and hurried lurch to the right. This host suddenly and casually ridicules Thunberg for no apparent reason, other key presenters have clearly been spooked into saying nothing about fellow presenters curiously disappearing from the roster or else mumble something vague about listening figures being paramount...all very odd
@@loopwithers I'm American and have noticed this as well. James O'Brien is how I originally started watching, but he seems to be the exception. Over here when a celebrity or commentator starts to lose their audience, many of them "turn right" as there is a ready-made audience for them. Sad
@@loopwithers I tried to respond by agreeing with you but youtube has removed my comment as usual
@@andrewrobinson1479 O'Brien is publicly centre right and privately a pathological extremist like all major politicians. The US at least has Alex Jones all we have in England is a North London pandering virtue signaler class dominating the political sphere all of whom are probably rude to waiters and service staff when away from a camera and mic.
Leading Bibi Cheerleaders (LBC) ft IDFerrari, Shelagh Israelity, Tom Suchaprick and James O Coward 😂
EuroVision cancelled Joost of Netherlands 🇳🇱 just like how
LBC cancelled Sangita
They banned Russia, but don’t want to ban lsrael. double standards
Israel defended itself. Russia invaded a country that did nothing to it.
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@@ExodusX13 Israel is the occupying power in Palestine.
@@IMBlakeley no such place as Palestine. If there is tell me it's first Prime Minister/King
Totally agree ❤
Since when is Israel a part of Europe?
It is a European creation. A european settler colonial state. But I agree with you.
Pleases 🙏 support Israel 🇮🇱 they have a right to defend itself always don't forget october the 7th anything else is IRRELEVANT !
Israel is creation of Europeans so it’s part of Europe in that sense. I’m sure India would also be in the Eurovision song contest if the Brits were still there.
Oh ffs, google EBU. Eurovision is not exclusively European. How many more times?!
And Australia... Since Australia too participates
Israel should not be in it this year, end of.
Oh yes they should ... end of
@@jeanlawley6483 You are getting ratio'd at 5:1 seems the majority go against you.
Imagine thinking RUclips likes demonstrates anything! Don't tell me, you don't really follow the news, but hate Israel anyway?
Sorry 6:1 now....
@Cherrytune What do you mean end of? Nothing's ended!
So, the Netherlands 🇳🇱 which IS a European country has been disqualified due to Israel 🇮🇱 a non-European country!
What a farce 😂
has been disqualified due to Israel? you wish, but the fact said it is his misconduct to a staff on the organiser. Don't spread fake news
Get your facts straight ... oh you support the squatter Palestinians, so you won't be interested in facts
@@M0m0hgjhgjhf The guy gets told he can't rehearse any more because of a comment he made when the Israeli contestant was being interviewed. Then suddenly the next day (or two?) he's disqualified for "misconduct with a female member of staff". Until I see the proof that he did do something, I am 100% certain it is entirely to do with not wanting to upset the genocidal Israel.
@@GohkaIf Joost got disqualified because he spoke out against Isreal participating and the other story is a coverup then it’s even worse for the integrity of the show, whatever integrity it had left that is!
It never be claimed that was by Israel it was an apparently altercation with TV camera crew
Shame on you Ali
Eurovision has been more about politics than music for decades. Has everyone forgotten about the voting of the Russia block?
I don't remember a time Eurovision HASN'T been politically driven? I mean how many years were Ireland giving the UK 0s because of the troubles? As I'm sure we were also giving them 0s for the same reason.
Miss Piggy Feltz is no replacement for Sangita
The caller talking about human rights - 💯
Thank you
LBC wants to give Isreal a voice whilst silencing Sangita's voice. That is inconsistency!!!
I believe it's called being biased, however funnily all these news outlets claim to be unbiased.
Is there actually any unbiased news any more that isn't just random youtube channels?
Why was Sangita fired, LBC?
Where’s Sangita?.???
Give it a rest! 🥱 zzzzzz
Yes the true journalist are fired and we have to listen to Ali here talking over people and interrupting them
Off her rocker..
@@Cherrytune386are you narcoleptic?
The further away the better.
That "Shame on you" for supporting South Africa competing in sports during apartheid hit so heavy
She began by saying Eden Golan sing for her country then kept on saying she don't represent her country.
The protests were not a personal attack on the girl it’s the actions of what is going on in Gazza the same would have had happened 2 years ago if an Russian entry was on the stage
Where Sangita?
Would the first caller agree with Russia being banned last year? Hypocrisy.
Where's Sangita LBC?
Playing on the M25..
@daniel In hiding from her North London stalkers!
Who cares.
You very much struggle to hear the truth Ali. Shame On You
Where’s Sangita? I thought this was a show to get real interview not fake interviews
Russia wasn't intentionally destroying innocent babies, and they got banned. Israel being treated like the victims isn't going to endear them to anybody. Get them out.
Oh so when Israel was attacked on 7th october and women, children and babies were butchered that was ok ... you have a convenient memory
Russia invaded and has killed thousands of civilians. Israel has reacted to a terrorist attack. Not hard to work out and not comparable at all.
@ToBeOrNotToBeThatIsTheQuestion Israel bombed refugee camps. Russia didn't.
@@kat2023. Russia has been attacking residential buildings and therefore killed many civilians for over two years without warning.
I assume you have not paid any attention to the millions of babies killed in other far greater ongoing global conflicts as we speak? People seem to pick and choose which babies to care about. Strange isn't it?
@@ToBeOrNotToBeThatIsTheQuestion I thought you said they're not comparable. Strange how people pick and choose who not to care about.
What an absolutely terrible host. As the caller said shame on him! Sangita was the rare host who was unbiased with some humanity. Unlike Ferrari, Shelagh, Iain and this guy. Terrible from Lbc
@rocky Apart from being an awful host she made no effort to be impartial!
It was Cameron who called them open air prison camps.
He seems to have forgotten 😔 😕
4:24 she’s 20 and so are the soldiers killing babies.
Lol
@viking Whose babies are you concerned about?
Why only concerned about babies in one part of the world and not others everywhere else?
I know! The irony!
Killing babies, forgotten about 7th Oct and those babies. ????
This guy is so lightweight, please bring back Sangita Myska.
Israel??? In Eurovision????? Whyyyyyy
They are, like Australian, part of the same broadcasting union.
13:25 How does he say to keep politics out of it because Eden is just a singer, when her song entry is political (despite the lyrical changes)?
Either allow everyone regardless of their country’s politics or disband the whole thing. Britain’s colonial history should cause a permanent ban. Right? That said, stop the hypocrisy: If Russia is banned then Israel should certainly be banned.
Russia was the attacker, Israel was attacked
every country in europe colonised at some point. wouldnt be many left would there?! lol
Maybe the haters should create their own competition? Cope harder 😢
Eurovision should be banned. Its full of politics always has been.
hee hee ha ha ........''colonial'' ....are you caught in a time warp of 2021 .?? Get with it ...........even the BBC doesn't care about yesterdays fashion
Can LBC claim to be apolitical when it bans Sangita.
Who cares.
I do.
2:22 Edin you say is under 'house arrest' but Palestinians are dead under rubble Mr Miraj. Israel shouldn't have been allowed to perform but it shows the duplicity of western nations doesn't it. Colonialism it seems never died, it was just rebranded.
Sangita, Sangita, Sangita, Sangita, Sangita, Sangita, Sangita, Sangita, Sangita, Sangita, Sangita, Sangita, Sangita, Sangita, Sangita, Sangita, Sangita, Sangita, Sangita, Sangita, Sangita, Sangita
Grow up
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@@An-Alien-On-EarthSangita, Sangita, Sangita, Attica, Attica, Sangita
@@juniper150 No No No No No No n9ooooooooo
Leading Bibi Cheerleaders (LBC) ft IDFerrari, Shelagh Israelity, Tom Suchaprick and James O Coward 😂
The presenter is selective
Hamas doesn’t represent Palestine . How ignorant is this guy . Hamas is not in the West Bank which has almost 1 million Palestinians
Where is award winning journalist sangita????
Clearly not after banning Russia. Clearly not after allowing one state in Asia to take part.
The hypocrisy after pushing out Sangita
It has never been apolitical.
South Africa was at constant war under apartheid
Hypocrisy! Just like LBC firing Sangita Myska! SHAME ON YOU!
Ali talked about being selective and double standards while doing a master class in both
Eurovision needs a name change or open it up to every country around the world without having to join the EBU
It is literally the song contest for the EBU members. It would be completely against their own interests to invite non-EBU entrants.
Ali's instant response to the question 'would you have supported South Africa competing in sporting events during the apartheid era ' says it all.
Absolute disgrace of a human.
claim now? 😅😅😅😅 Eurovision was since years political... 😅
And as musician and music lover the quality 🥴
The host is so sickeningly pro Israel
People are defending Israel's inclusion in the contest on the basis that the contest is 'not political'.
Fair enough, but, firstly, the song was a veiled reference to 7 October (so, the song was political), and, secondly, many people have said they voted for Israel multiple times in order to demonstrate they were 'against Hamas'.
You CAN'T have it both ways. Either Israel's inclusion and song isn't political, or it is.
Israel isn’t in Europe but the Anglo American empire is in the Middle East through Israel..hence the double standard
Leading Bibi Cheerleaders (LBC) ft IDFerrari, Shelagh Israelity, Tom Suchaprick and James O Coward 😂
I believe Israel will win because of minority support thoughout Europe focussed on a single entrant. This will be seen in Israel as as support for Israel's war in Gazza. This is why Israel should not be competing. Eurovision has always been political - when countries are competing it cannot be anything but political.
What was the original title of the Eden Golan song before she was forced to change it?
Is the original title not political? ( October rain referencing Oct 7)
Let's,please stop, gaslighting people with these ridiculous questions.
Hurricane?
@@susanwestern6434 The song drew heavy scrutiny for its original title "October Rain", which along with the lyrics was viewed as a political message alluding to the Israel-Hamas war in support of Israel and the Israel Defense Forces (IDF). As a result, the European Broadcasting Union (EBU), the organization that manages the Eurovision Song Contest, requested a rewrite of the song in late February 2024. After multiple submissions and rewrites, a final revised version, titled "Hurricane", was approved by the EBU on 7 March.
I see LBC have brought in a complaint asian man..rightwinger of.. so you know he's about the money not the morals. Shame
They should bring in some Jewish left-wingers to demonstrate that LBC isn't antisemitic, and respects the plurality of Jewish voices. Some of the most ardent voices against the airstrikes have been Jewish, but they're rarely given any public platforms in the UK (the US ironically does far better on this score).
That last caller ...... 👏 👏 👏
All ways understands the point but his fruitless
The way he is constantly talking over the caller and the caller is the one supposed to give her opinion. The journalist should understand that they are there to give people a voice not to bring them to whatever idea that they have in their head. Double standard everywhere
Hypocrites
LBC - Loosing Britain's Confidence.
Why was Russia banned again??
The Ukrainian broadcaster in the EBU (UA:PBC) filed an appeal in 2022 to ban Russian broadcasters due to them functioning as propaganda mouthpieces for Russia (and receiving state funding) since the start of the invasion in 2014. This wasn't enough to have them banned, it was only after Denmark, Sweden, Iceland, Lithuania, the Netherlands, Poland and Norway joined them and Estonia and Finland said they would not take part if Russia were allowed to that a ban was put in place.
bring back Sangita
Leading Bibi Cheerleaders (LBC) ft IDFerrari, Shelagh Israelity, Tom Suchaprick and James O Coward 😂
Why then russia IS still banned from the olympics?
Because they constantly cheat.
The argument of a palastine state not being able to take part due to consistency has absolutely 0 value when they are NOT. A recognised state and therefore CANNOT take part any way
What a poor faith argument
Ali is a bit of a hack too! Shame
People of Europe gave their own answer to this politicised b$ by giving Israel the 2nd popular vote.
You've lost so much audience recently LBC
Imagine if Scotland became indepemdant and joined Russia in a union much like NATO then Russia wanted to put it's forces on our border at Scotland... How would England react?
This is exactly what is happenimg to Russia.
It takes a special type of person who wants to be where they may be harmed. Unless...
literally all the "Gazans" at the border with Egypt...
@@Side_Eye_Shibe 😄 I was thinking more along the lines of; there are cameras filming.
The Ashkenazi do not let free press in to prove or disprove what you are saying, so I'll consider it a lie, like the rest of the lies you people tell.
it's not actually the countries that compete per se, it's their broadcasters. the russian broadcaster had been pumping out anti-ukraine propaganda, so they could not fairly cover the ukrainian entry and thus could not fairly compete
As Ukraine... Or you think that Ukraine it's a walk in the park...? be carefull with dualisms, and how are used to break your thought...
That's how you know the propaganda is working... A far away boogyman threatening our 'democracy', economy, elections, competition, ...
Isnt the israeli broadcaster pumping its propaganda and can't fairly cover the entries of countries where there are protests against the war crimes in gaza ?
I totally agree with the caller who said human rights and international law has been ignored so Israel should not be allowed to enter the contest.
I think EU dont like the UK with 0 from the public.
Double standards is the problem plain and simple, just like LBC
The last caller bodied the host😂
And he did so beautifully
@@youcantalwaysgetwhatyouwan8419 agreed
Where’s Sangita? Miss her so much!
We all know how certain countries have always voted for allies. I just read the UK televote gave maximum to Israel. Just imagine the teams of pro Israel supporters ringing in. Not for the song but for the state. Eurovision has always been political.
even though the Israeli 🇮🇱 government murdered 3 UK Aid workers I found the voting a bit strange could you imagine the outcry if the had happened in an Arab or Muslim country
The simple solution is to have a Palestinian delegation.
It's really sad. We didn't have this much division and hate at Eurovision in the Cold War.
There’s always been politics and horse-trading in Eurovision, and even more so after banning Russia. It’s the inconsistency with who deserves to be disqualified is what’s at issue.
It’s great you have a debate, but you absolutely lost! And rightly so…
Keep politics out of it ?????
Israelis song was originally named " October Rain " and this individual is not political?????
Last caller taking the moral ground, shame on you, shame on you, 😂😭🤣😅😭😁
It's an idiotic premise to keep politics out of it. You can't keep politics out of anything that involves people.
Geopolitics are affecting so many Countries including Elections, it should not be happening, everyone being interviewed are so cautious about saying something about Palestine or Israel,because they may offend one or the other, we can feel conflicted but we all I’m sure agree that what’s occurring is desperate for all concerned, so so sad,no end in sight ❤heartbreaking ❤
I am still struggling to understand why the European Broadcasting Union could ban Russia in 2022 after it invaded Ukraine but said that it could not ban israel for invading Gaza in 2023. What double standard and hypocrisy is that? And the cancellation of Sangita Myska on LBC. So much for the West's much vaunted rights of free speech and democracy. When it comes to Israel, different standards apply, don't they?
It was easy to ban Russia since almost every EBU member state had cut diplomatic ties and issued sanction on it. I`d rather ask why no one is sactioning Israel at the moment. But sadly answer to this is USA. When you have a school yard bully with a bigger brother so no one dares to oppose him, you end up with a sociopath who thinks he can do what ever he likes. And as it seems, the bully is right.
I never mentioned anything about babies. Get your facts right.
If Palestine was a state, Hamas wouldn't have existed. The ANC military wind was defunct when apartheid was abolished. As the IRA were defunct in Northern Ireland when when all citizens were treated equally, etc. Yes, could we please bring some intellectual rigor to have you Opine!
wing not wind; how not have
Thank you for talking sense, though you appear to have upset someone by hitting d instead of g 😂 takes all sorts👍
Okay this is a dumb conversation. Music is always in politics you can never separate music from politics seriously multiple example Black Eyed Peas where is the love? , Green Day American idiot. Silverchair year 2000. Respect Aretha Franklin and one of the Eurovision royalties better known as ABBA MADE A POLITICAL SONG IN 1982 called The Visitors the theme is a protest against the persecution of political dissidents in the Soviet Union also she’s the Israeli singer is singing a political song so your argument just fall apart anyway because she already made a political with her song
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The Russians should be aloud to compete too. No bias.
I haven't watched LBC for a while, but can't believe they still support Israel so much. Too much whataboutery in this clip. The issue with ESC was the double standards and it was totally ignored. Poor journalism.
I kind of agree with the woman who called, she's not the one who's bombing Gaza and but in the same time, READ THE ROOM DEAR + she's contributing to Israel's propaganda (because of course her song is about October 7th!).
Overall I'm a little conflicted about this one. I hate that she's there but let's just remember that shes a human being with emotions and that ultimately she's not the one we are mad about, she's just the face of it. Maybe we can hate her, but with moderation?
I don't hate the singer. I actually felt a little sorry for her. She is no more to blame for Israel's actions than the US and Russian athletes for their own nations deciding to boycott the 1980 and 1984 Olympics respectively. That said, you're right that the song is a veiled reference to 7 October, and, thus, de facto Israeli propaganda. Thus, the song contest is being intrinsically political by allowing this artist to perform and without a counterpoint being provided by, say, a Palestinian performer.
Did you Ali have the same (intellectual) debate when banning Russia from the Euros ?! I guess not
This polosh journalist was so dumb and embarrassed by a 20 year old singer
JORDAN 🇯🇴 VS 🇵🇸 ON BLACK SEPTEMBER
"Don't make it political!!" - unless it's for a right wing cause, then it's okay to make it political, when the Italian leaked vote shows a strong Israel vote.
Palestine is not allow representation at the contest.
To Ali everything is always ""interesting""
The man talks like he's constantly suffering from constipation
The host is just awful.
That's the point, there is no other Palestinian contender.
Hypocrisy
Whenever I hear Ali’s show I come away feeling he is disingenuous. He knows very well that Fatah are the legitimate government of Palestinians not Hamas. Shame on Ali!
Please, please bring back Sangita, this man is awful!
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Israel is not in Europe.