Australia faces significant challenges in strengthening its defence capabilities. Despite its size and resources, the nation struggles to build a fleet quickly enough, compounded by slow and cumbersome recruitment processes. Additionally, there is a notable shortage of accommodation for Australian Defence Force (ADF) members, which further hampers retention and readiness. The Department of Defence prioritises administrative and cultural initiatives, such as renaming bases to First Nations names or marking annual events, over core defence capabilities. For example, contracting out base security for $1.4 billion when ADF members could achieve this and participating in events like the Sydney Mardi Gras are often cited as significant milestones from the primary mission of national security. In light of growing regional threats, such as China’s increasing assertiveness, it is critical that Australia’s defence policies and priorities shift towards building a robust, war-ready force to ensure the nation’s safety and sovereignty. Sadly Australia is challenged with a woke government who employ a woke public service whose mission is desk top bound and work shop based. It will be our down fall.
Agreed. And the recent sinking of a NZ Survey ship HMNZS Manawanui shows how gender diversity picks over talent pan out. This Woke mind virus has captured all Western nations.
I totally agree. First, we must rid ourselves of our Communist-loving prime minister, replacing him and his useless ilk with someone capable of governing Australia. That has to be done at the Federal election in a few months. Then, we need to ratify and improve our fleet. For our future survival, these two points should be at the top.
The leewin is gone Armidale scrapped the supply ships are both broken to be repaired the mine ships are gone 2 frigates already gone others on the beach for repairs the 2 carriers no aircraft no defence weapons and 1 sub ready for sea a real joke.
Let me educate you a bit you snobby kid, 1 they are not aircraft carriers they are Amphibious ships, 2 we are getting our newest 11 frigates from Japan and I am quite surprised that you dont understand how long it takes to build these ships, 3 our new 8 nuclear subs should be in by 2040, 4 the use of mine sweepers or "Mine Ships" As you call them are not needed as their main roles were for coast guard even though we have a coast guard and number 5 Australia can take its sweet time re arming because the US are able to defend Australia if need be. Hope you learned something and maybe know what your talking about before you shit talk one of the US's Greatest Allies!
As an RAN veteran, I find it strange that we are giving away information without considering border security. Mind you, this documentary is not current and out of date. I was on the R21, i.e. HMAS Melbourne, when we hit HMAS Voyager in 1964, so I am well past it regarding my age. But I would join up again tomorrow if I could. Melbourne was paid off from RAN service in 1982. A proposal to convert her for use as a floating casino failed, and in 1984, the sale was cancelled. In 1985, she was sold for scrap and towed to China for breaking. China learned a lot about aircraft carriers when they took the Melbourne in tow, as they had never had an aircraft carrier in their arsenal. Look at them now, and look at their arsenal that we helped them achieve. Shame on us. We never had an aircraft carrier after that. However, I said it then, and I will repeat it now: Australia needs an up-to-date aircraft carrier to help secure our massive coastline. Even a not-so-new one from the United States would help. They currently have eleven nuclear-powered carriers, with a total of only 47 worldwide owned by different nations. As of this year, the Chinese People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) has two active carriers, the Liaoning and Shandong, with the third, Fujian, currently undergoing sea trials. A fourth carrier, presently called "Type 004" and featuring nuclear propulsion, is thought to be under construction. Where does that leave us? Our conundrum is that we are very lonely here in the southern oceans, with a coastline of 59,700 kilometres in length, comprising a mainland coastline (including Tasmania) of 35,900 kilometres and 23,800 kilometres of island coastlines, according to Geoscience 2009. We do need to protect our borders from poachers and boat people, and worse still, in case of attack.
I laugh at your worry of giving secrets away. I have read that amongst your software developers are ethnic Chinese, so what secrets have you still got.
Floating a couple of squadrons around on a humongously expensive boat that requires an entire task force to protect it is a lot more expensive than shuffling squadrons to wherever they're needed on the mainland. If the defence of oz is the goal.. Carriers are global power projection tools. We don't need that. We're only a regional power.. 1 carrier would take our entire navy, and the entire joint defence forces budget to operate, let alone protect it.. 15 billion or so, to buy. Another billion to operate annually. Plus, annual flight operations costs of about another billion.. Carriers are a money pit... Mobile, land and sea based, long to medium range missile tech, and long-range drones are a much more cost-effective alternative nowadays..👍Look at what ukraine has done to the black Sea fleet.. we could carry a shit tonne of seababys in our helicopter carriers. We do need a much bigger navy though. For an island nation our navy has always been pitifully under funded.. a bunch more anti air destroyers would be more flexible..
Our navy and our defence forces in are woefully inadequate after decades of mismanagement and neglect. Portraying them as a powerful adversary is sheer fiction. My comment here in no way reflects those serving who I have as friends and in general have the greatest respect.
Being a former RAAF pilot with 76 squadron in our Mirage 3 aircraft I did exercises called Rimpac 1986with the RAN ships !we got called off because we could have sunk the entire flotilla of boats within 20 minutes ! 😂😂😂 lol
The RAN has 50 vessels including 2 supply class 3 Hobart class 7 Anzac 2 Canberra LHD 1 bay class 4 mine war fare . Thats 19 ships 25 vessels and 6 submarines .
The Hobart Class max displacement is not 6,250 - it is 7,000 tonnes. RAN's F105 design added tonnage from the Spanish ship. Whoever puts these videos together must get these specs correct - otherwise this is fake news.
The survey ships are not war vessels, the Armidale Class is almost replaced with the newer Patrol Boat. Our only COMBAT vessels are the 2 x LHD, 3 x AWD, 8 x ANZAC Class FFH and 6 x Collins Class subs of which, only 2 work. That means we have 19 WARSHIPS. That does not mean all of them are ready to deploy as the ANZAC Class ships keep getting upgrades, the AWD has its own problems. Please do what your title says, WARSHIPS. Everything else is in support of combat operations. Not that I know anything but Son was A Petty Officer on all of the surface ships for 17yrs.
How many are still on the books or scrapped then how many are sea worthy and have crews. Our ADF is the weeks ever when some of the ADF are out of 5he 60's
Funny our air defence frigates have the same weapons as the Hobart class destroyer. And the FuAD frigate tender asks for 64 VLS tubes and two 21 shot RAM installations. The 48 cells aren't enough working with the SM-2, SM-3 and ESSM. Just wondering why English language countries always have to name frigates destroyers.
The lines are blurred between frigates and destroyers these days as some so called frigates are larger than some destroyers. It’s not so much Anglo-Saxon nations calling frigates destroyers but it’s most European nations calling large displacement Air warfare ships frigates not destroyers because of geopolitical reasons.
@Mattattard-x1k the Commonwealth is the only one still using the out of date tonnage system. The rest including the US is naming on the basis of the capability. The current and future US destroyers are all cruisers according to the UK/commonwealth and the western European frigates are all destroyers according to the UK/commonwealth. They should get to grips with the 21st century nomenclature or they will bring a lot of confusion into NATO navy groups. It has nothing to do with geopolitics it has only to do with the capability of ships and the capability necessary to get the F designation. Ours have general purpose M-frigate designation or the air defence AD or Heavy frigate designation. And with ours i mean from Spain to Norway. The big vessels with more anti ship capability are destroyers. The commonwealth nomenclature even led to the naming of the Soviet Kirov class as battle cruisers something not even considered by others as that was for light capital ships. Something nobody is building anymore.
@@TRUMP20Z4 well we actually can afford a third Canberra LHD that can take 10 F35B’s this actually gets brought up every year internally, but as the ADF and the federal government see it , it doesn’t bring the best efficiency” bang for buck” for the return. There’s several top brass that insist this is the way to go. In for order for this to happen. 1, HMAS Choules would have to be decommissioned, the crew from there and an additional 100 plus would be needed. 2, who would the pilots fly under the RAN or RAAF ? Apparently this is a can of worms. 3, without lifting the annual military budget, cancelling other programs would need to be done. So in a sense we can afford it, but it’s not the way they want to go, at this point.
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Australia faces significant challenges in strengthening its defence capabilities. Despite its size and resources, the nation struggles to build a fleet quickly enough, compounded by slow and cumbersome recruitment processes. Additionally, there is a notable shortage of accommodation for Australian Defence Force (ADF) members, which further hampers retention and readiness.
The Department of Defence prioritises administrative and cultural initiatives, such as renaming bases to First Nations names or marking annual events, over core defence capabilities. For example, contracting out base security for $1.4 billion when ADF members could achieve this and participating in events like the Sydney Mardi Gras are often cited as significant milestones from the primary mission of national security.
In light of growing regional threats, such as China’s increasing assertiveness, it is critical that Australia’s defence policies and priorities shift towards building a robust, war-ready force to ensure the nation’s safety and sovereignty. Sadly Australia is challenged with a woke government who employ a woke public service whose mission is desk top bound and work shop based. It will be our down fall.
Agreed. And the recent sinking of a NZ Survey ship HMNZS Manawanui shows how gender diversity picks over talent pan out. This Woke mind virus has captured all Western nations.
I totally agree. First, we must rid ourselves of our Communist-loving prime minister, replacing him and his useless ilk with someone capable of governing Australia. That has to be done at the Federal election in a few months. Then, we need to ratify and improve our fleet. For our future survival, these two points should be at the top.
The leewin is gone Armidale scrapped the supply ships are both broken to be repaired the mine ships are gone 2 frigates already gone others on the beach for repairs the 2 carriers no aircraft no defence weapons and 1 sub ready for sea a real joke.
Truth
2 frigates? Just Anzac until the end of 2026.
Let me educate you a bit you snobby kid, 1 they are not aircraft carriers they are Amphibious ships, 2 we are getting our newest 11 frigates from Japan and I am quite surprised that you dont understand how long it takes to build these ships, 3 our new 8 nuclear subs should be in by 2040, 4 the use of mine sweepers or "Mine Ships" As you call them are not needed as their main roles were for coast guard even though we have a coast guard and number 5 Australia can take its sweet time re arming because the US are able to defend Australia if need be.
Hope you learned something and maybe know what your talking about before you shit talk one of the US's Greatest Allies!
💯
As an RAN veteran, I find it strange that we are giving away information without considering border security. Mind you, this documentary is not current and out of date.
I was on the R21, i.e. HMAS Melbourne, when we hit HMAS Voyager in 1964, so I am well past it regarding my age. But I would join up again tomorrow if I could.
Melbourne was paid off from RAN service in 1982. A proposal to convert her for use as a floating casino failed, and in 1984, the sale was cancelled. In 1985, she was sold for scrap and towed to China for breaking. China learned a lot about aircraft carriers when they took the Melbourne in tow, as they had never had an aircraft carrier in their arsenal. Look at them now, and look at their arsenal that we helped them achieve. Shame on us.
We never had an aircraft carrier after that. However, I said it then, and I will repeat it now: Australia needs an up-to-date aircraft carrier to help secure our massive coastline. Even a not-so-new one from the United States would help. They currently have eleven nuclear-powered carriers, with a total of only 47 worldwide owned by different nations.
As of this year, the Chinese People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) has two active carriers, the Liaoning and Shandong, with the third, Fujian, currently undergoing sea trials. A fourth carrier, presently called "Type 004" and featuring nuclear propulsion, is thought to be under construction.
Where does that leave us? Our conundrum is that we are very lonely here in the southern oceans, with a coastline of 59,700 kilometres in length, comprising a mainland coastline (including Tasmania) of 35,900 kilometres and 23,800 kilometres of island coastlines, according to Geoscience 2009.
We do need to protect our borders from poachers and boat people, and worse still, in case of attack.
I laugh at your worry of giving secrets away. I have read that amongst your software developers are ethnic Chinese, so what secrets have you still got.
Floating a couple of squadrons around on a humongously expensive boat that requires an entire task force to protect it is a lot more expensive than shuffling squadrons to wherever they're needed on the mainland. If the defence of oz is the goal..
Carriers are global power projection tools. We don't need that. We're only a regional power..
1 carrier would take our entire navy, and the entire joint defence forces budget to operate, let alone protect it.. 15 billion or so, to buy. Another billion to operate annually. Plus, annual flight operations costs of about another billion.. Carriers are a money pit...
Mobile, land and sea based, long to medium range missile tech, and long-range drones are a much more cost-effective alternative nowadays..👍Look at what ukraine has done to the black Sea fleet.. we could carry a shit tonne of seababys in our helicopter carriers.
We do need a much bigger navy though. For an island nation our navy has always been pitifully under funded.. a bunch more anti air destroyers would be more flexible..
Our navy and our defence forces in are woefully inadequate after decades of mismanagement and neglect. Portraying them as a powerful adversary is sheer fiction. My comment here in no way reflects those serving who I have as friends and in general have the greatest respect.
Why do we get told about the Australian navy by an American -accent AI voice?
@@dafyddllewellyn6636 next time kangoeroe accent?
Being a former RAAF pilot with 76 squadron in our Mirage 3 aircraft I did exercises called Rimpac 1986with the RAN ships !we got called off because we could have sunk the entire flotilla of boats within 20 minutes ! 😂😂😂 lol
I didn't know the RAN had 10 ships.
The RAN has 50 vessels including 2 supply class 3 Hobart class 7 Anzac 2 Canberra LHD 1 bay class 4 mine war fare . Thats 19 ships 25 vessels and 6 submarines .
@@Mattattard-x1k All on paper.
and he didn't include the Dinghys
@@Mattattard-x1k 3 Bay class ? really ? get a clue before you try and comment with authority kid !!
@@aussienscaleNot a kid sorry miss print meant to be one HMAS Choules. Don’t need to be rude C about it
R.A.N needs a overhaul! when we get a new ship it's 20 years outdated it's embarrassing!
The Collins class has been a complete disappointment. Canberra? Overrated. Give me an aircraft carrier and nuclear subs any day!
The Hobart Class max displacement is not 6,250 - it is 7,000 tonnes. RAN's F105 design added tonnage from the Spanish ship. Whoever puts these videos together must get these specs correct - otherwise this is fake news.
I served on hmas ovens submarine Oberon class submarine from December 1994 to march 1996 I was a submariner weapons sonar operator
Never knew we had 10
You want a good frigate and the best price? Maybe the new Dutch ASW frigate is perfect for Australia.
The survey ships are not war vessels, the Armidale Class is almost replaced with the newer Patrol Boat. Our only COMBAT vessels are the 2 x LHD, 3 x AWD, 8 x ANZAC Class FFH and 6 x Collins Class subs of which, only 2 work. That means we have 19 WARSHIPS. That does not mean all of them are ready to deploy as the ANZAC Class ships keep getting upgrades, the AWD has its own problems. Please do what your title says, WARSHIPS. Everything else is in support of combat operations. Not that I know anything but Son was A Petty Officer on all of the surface ships for 17yrs.
How many are still on the books or scrapped then how many are sea worthy and have crews.
Our ADF is the weeks ever when some of the ADF are out of 5he 60's
Top ten?? We've only got a dozen or so actual blue water navy ships..😂😂
Funny our air defence frigates have the same weapons as the Hobart class destroyer. And the FuAD frigate tender asks for 64 VLS tubes and two 21 shot RAM installations. The 48 cells aren't enough working with the SM-2, SM-3 and ESSM. Just wondering why English language countries always have to name frigates destroyers.
The lines are blurred between frigates and destroyers these days as some so called frigates are larger than some destroyers. It’s not so much Anglo-Saxon nations calling frigates destroyers but it’s most European nations calling large displacement Air warfare ships frigates not destroyers because of geopolitical reasons.
@Mattattard-x1k the Commonwealth is the only one still using the out of date tonnage system. The rest including the US is naming on the basis of the capability. The current and future US destroyers are all cruisers according to the UK/commonwealth and the western European frigates are all destroyers according to the UK/commonwealth. They should get to grips with the 21st century nomenclature or they will bring a lot of confusion into NATO navy groups. It has nothing to do with geopolitics it has only to do with the capability of ships and the capability necessary to get the F designation. Ours have general purpose M-frigate designation or the air defence AD or Heavy frigate designation. And with ours i mean from Spain to Norway. The big vessels with more anti ship capability are destroyers. The commonwealth nomenclature even led to the naming of the Soviet Kirov class as battle cruisers something not even considered by others as that was for light capital ships. Something nobody is building anymore.
@@Mattattard-x1k Anglo Saxon what are you 1.000 years old?
You need someone who can edit better. Your presentation is crap.
Canberra class was a total waste of money. A support carrier would have been a better investment.
I don't think they are waste of money, but we should also have a proper aircraft carrier
Rubbish !! The Canberra Class do exactly what was needed and requested and have been a massive improvement.
Need for what ? @@aussienscale
@@georgesmith4509 we cant afford that ffs
@@TRUMP20Z4 well we actually can afford a third Canberra LHD that can take 10 F35B’s this actually gets brought up every year internally, but as the ADF and the federal government see it , it doesn’t bring the best efficiency” bang for buck” for the return. There’s several top brass that insist this is the way to go. In for order for this to happen. 1, HMAS Choules would have to be decommissioned, the crew from there and an additional 100 plus would be needed. 2, who would the pilots fly under the RAN or RAAF ? Apparently this is a can of worms. 3, without lifting the annual military budget, cancelling other programs would need to be done. So in a sense we can afford it, but it’s not the way they want to go, at this point.
We have a government that thinks we are playing chasie
do we have 10 decent ships
Here we go again. Why can’t Americans take the time to learn how to pronounce names correctly? Huon is pronounced Hyou-on or Hugh-on.
Didn't think they had any??? Lol
LOL joke
Does any these vessel's have any guns or are we concerned that we might afend China
he listed the weaponry
Might OFFEND China with our spelling?
@@paul22776 😂