I love my 5700x3d. Really glad I purchased it. Sold my prior chip so it was a free upgrade. im on a mission to max out as many AM4 machines as I can before its truly gone.
I like the fact you addressed the elephant in the room. Things are getting tougher for many financially. People selling to downgrade is an option to get you threw to the next payday but keep your system in tact.
can'teven buy pasta and potatoes at the end of the month nowadays.... i live in a shitty country, but yea, it is incredible that half the world keeps mouthing about some percieved economic growth and stability, and the other half is literally dying of starvation and exposure (high rents causes an incredible amount of homelessness, thougy myself somehow managed to dodge that bullet fornow)
@@istvancsap3513 I know exactly where you from. No, it's not the country that is crap. It's the politicians and private/business class interests bonds which is the sh*tstorm itself. Our country and our people is the best ever people ever lives on this planet. And the Rubik cube is the smallest we gave to this world. És mivel ez igaz, így minden okom megvan rá, hogy büszkén kihúzzam magam! Erőt is kitartást pajtás! Let's make public affairs manly again! Until that and after, I'm still fine with the AM4 platform. Possible ugrades in about two years from now.
The 8400F should be able to clock the Infinity Fabric and Ram speeds much higher. Since the 8000 and G series are Monolithic chips memory speeds are more stable.
I just bought AM4 boards to make PCs for fighting games (I refuse to buy PS5), because the support is beautiful for games like that that don't require top of the line hardware AM5 is going to be another big W for AMD
I've just finished building a new PC. Upgrading from i5 4460 and AMD 580 to AMD 7500F + 7900xt :) I've been looking at both these CPUs as x3D exploded in price beyond my budget. I could buy the 9800x3D just couldn't justify it, really. That smaller cache of the 8400F made me ditch it. I will wait ~2 years and look to upgrade either to the 9800x3D or it's successor. Thanks for the video I'm proud of my choice :)
@anderotaola7515 yes I'm aware of it. But I did get into the am5 system and can now calmly wait for a CPU upgrade. The nice thing about it is that an upgrade to 9800x3d or the next better will give a boost to GPU side as well :) tiny bonus
@@HenrySomeone sure there is such possibility. That doesn't change that much from my pov. I'm a father of two and no longer a hardcore gamer. So I don't buy the later and greatest hw when it's released. I'm completely fine settling for 9800x3d when the price comes to me.
I was able to score a Ryzen 7 7700 from Aliexpress for about £160 around October (needed a slot in CPU for my new AM5 system and was tight on cash). This was cheaper than the 7600 in the UK new for £170-180. I believe the 7500F was a lil' cheaper but wanted to leverage the extra performance in non-gaming tasks as this was a temporary slot in for future. But I'll be honest, it's doing quite fantastic
No warranty when you buy an AliExpress tray CPU. Also, this CPU has half the L3 cache of the 7500F and, as the X3D CPUs have shown, more cache makes a difference in most games. Until a recent 5700X3D upgrade, I was using a Ryzen 5500. With overclocking, I could get it to perform the same as a 5600 on synthetic benchmarks but it would still be a few frames behind a 5600 in a lot of games due to having half the L3 cache. Still, it performed significantly better than the Ryzen 2600 I had for my first AM4 CPU, which also only had 16MB of L3 cache. The 3600 doubled the cache which was responsible for a substantial amount of the performance uplift on Zen 2. While you can somewhat make up for lower cache with substantially higher clock speed, there are a lot of games these days which are CPU cache limited. Often, you can observe CPU bottlenecks where the overall CPU utilization is well under 100%, which is either a single thread performance limitation or a cache limitation. The 5700X3D is the last new AM4 CPU I will buy (my 7th AM4 CPU). The 2600 was the first. In CPU intensive games, the 5700X3D delivers around double the framerate of the 2600. It represents a truly unparalleled level of CPU development on a single platform and the 5700X3D will rock hard for a few more years. I have a massive amount of room for a GPU upgrade. TL;DR, A CPU with less than 32MB of L3 cache is really cutting corners these days. You will have a noticeable reduction in framerate with most titles from this decade. And most esports titles. Just as we are now in the era where 32GB is the ideal minimum for gaming, so to is 32MB of L3 cache the ideal minimum. The 8400F is best left to only the most low spec of gaming builds. Would be fine with something like a 3050 6GB or a 2060. Also, the 8400F only has 20 PCIe lanes, so GL if you want to run a GPU and more than one NVMe drive. You're most likely going to be cutting the speed of your drives with the 8400F, whereas the 7500F has 24 lanes and can take two gen 4 drives at full speed. NVMe through the chipset is...slow. 2:35 There may not be a huge difference with a budget GPU between a 7500F and 8400F but there are significant differences between either of those CPUs and a 5700X3D. And the benefit of that much cache is still not broadly recognized because, while higher max FPS might be the goal for a lot of people, all the frames in the world are useless if you have wildly inconsistent frametimes. X3D technology helps to smooth out the gameplay considerably. I run Cyberpunk at 1440p medium with FSR quality on a particularly good example of a RX6600 that, when overclocked, benchmarks at 90% of the rasterization performance of an average 4060. With the 5500, I had to lock it at 60fps to ensure I never had any stutters or frame drops. After getting the 5700X3D, I now have it locked at 90fps. That is a huge difference in practical, real world performance. Benchmarking really doesn't show real world performance differences well.
I think it's just right to get on the AM5 platform. Motherboards are also getting cheaper. DDR5 RAM on the other hand, the NAND shortage isn't helping for sure. Should be enough for a few months until enough money is saved for a 7600 or higher
Reviews like these are great, even if they don`t make that much sense for your market, for example, the 7500F isn`t really avaible in Brazil, but we have the 8400F at around 75% the price of the 7600. Due to taxes, getting a 7500F from Aliexpress costs the same as the 7600 from our local shops, so not really that good there as well
The 8700F is closer to price comparable with the 7500F, so while you still suffer the shortage of PCIE lanes and half the cache, you get 8C/16T vs 6C/12T
8700f vs 7500f are the same core count...they are both 6/12...if you find them cheap buy whatever its cheaper...otherwise if you have tight budget for a pc then buy 5700x3d way better than both
I got an i7 1280p (Es) all in one board coming from AliExpress. I'm curious to see how it does. I got it just to mess around with, but it'll probably end up being my son's PC. His PC is a Xeon v2 that performs very well but it's missing instruction sets and he needs to switch to solid state storage.
It is like the 7500F but it just have 16x PCIe Lanes (4.0) usable, so you can use it only when the NVMe SSD is installed in the M.2 Slot from the Chipset. Otherwise the main PCIe Slot runs at 8x speed. The CPU is absolutely insane for this price, when PCIe 4.0 and the fewer Lanes are no problem. Like a Budget AM5 System where you plan to upgrade in 2 years anyway and buy a good mainboard.
We need to know what the memory controller on the 8000 chips will hit in forced 1:1 I could see the 8400F being lower than an 8700G due to binning but even the worst 8000 should do better than any Zen 4 or 5 chiplet IOD yes? For those unaware, the 8000 are a monolithic 4nm chip so the I/O and memory controller are potentially more performant than the 6nm chiplet used and reused in 7000 and 9000
В каком разрешении тестировалось общее потребление системы? В 1080 или 4к? Просто в 1080 получается не корректно сравнивать. Там идет недогрузка видеокарты. Из 1080 можно только потребление самого процессора брать, но никак не всей системы
I wanted to get pretty cheap upgrade to am5, i just bought 7500f. I was interested in 8400f because it is the cheapest am5 cpu, but i saw it being noticeable slower than 7500f in benchmarks i checked so i went for the 7500f. Now i just need motherboard and ram, waiting to see if i can get them cheaper on black friday sales.
As an ex budget gamer, i would love to see a performance per dollar graph comparison , at realistic settings (1080p60fps high 1440p60fps medium) with a realistic gpu (6600xt rtx4060), between this CPU (and the x3d chips for the fun of it)
Im thinking of getting this on the cheap and pair with asrock a620m hdv+ Shud be a great build for $170++ Will it game ez on 1080p144? Playing warzone mostly😂
All I know is it has me thinking that MAYBE I should skip upgrading my 1500X to a 5700X3D ($155 on Ali) on AM4 and just go straight to AM5. I'll lose out on the memory kit I bought, but I can sell that with the 1500X and AM4 board as a combo.
If it were priced the same in my country, it would've been a great choice. But for that price, the most decent CPU we can get is either a 5600 or a 12400f.
8400f It's extremely efficient CPU . Together with 4070super is perfect combination for quiet and efficient system There's no difference between the CPUs when you are playing 1440p
it's pretty well known at this point that L3 cache on ryzen is king for gaming, and the 8400f has a measly 16mb of it no wonder it loses to the 32mb 7500f
Wow the 8400f brand new is only about $20 more expensive than a used 3600x. Could you do a comparison? Maybe it'll help drop used prices LOL. I know it is apples to oranges. AM4 VS AM5.
My question is this... When you show the data that leads us to believe that all 4 CPU at 4k have nearly the same performance is this due to GPU limit? Also what about it you overclocked the X3D models? I feel like the data is misleading to those who understand how to effectively overclock the x3D models. That being said, I'll assume we are a minority due to the complexity and lack of fine tune guidance; not to say that skatterbencher doesn't show people some copy and paste that does improve performance, I feel there are multiple techniques that can be applied, it can be convoluted. But I digress, I think the performance jump might be significant enough to be warranted, I can't wait to do my own testing on this. Thanks for the video.
I saw somewhere that they test the silicone after its processed and if for example it is completely working its going to be "X" cpu and if it has a dead IGPU its becomes "Y" cpu true or false? makes sense to me instead of wasting it or "disabling" the IGPU and selling it for less
in my country ryzen cpus are always more expensive, so 3.5 to 9.5 pricewise which from charts shown, the performance difference just doesn't justify 2.5-3 time he price jump for around 10% improvement considering motherboard as well/
I need a cheap am5 cpu to check an asus b650 motherboard before i pop my 9800x3d in and i can’t get the damn bios flashback working. Are the 8000 series supported on a basic bios? Or do they need a bios update? I bought the motherboard used and the seller told me he couldn’t make it POST, but i figured i’d give it a try simce i’ve had some luck with boards like that in the past.
@ for the 9800x3d i know, but what you say is i would need to update bios for 8000 series too? Makes sense! I’ll try to find a used 7000 chip or find someone with one so i can flash that darn asus board
This video seems to focus on a minimalist perspective - selecting a CPU that can nearly maximize the performance of a 4080 in moderately optimized games without overspending on unnecessary CPU performance that won’t be utilized in most scenarios. 7500F wins because of currently enough cache and PCIe5 Actually, an X3D chip is valuable because some games aren't properly optimized, such as Star Citizen, Resident Evil 4, and Spider-Man. In 2024, the optimal price-to-performance PC setup includes the Ryzen 5 7500F paired with a 4070 Super or Ti GPU and 2x16Gb 6000 c30 ram. The AMD 7000 and 9000 series CPUs struggle with stable 1:1 performance beyond 6400 MHz dual-channel RAM at CL32 timings and change to 2:1 and any benefit is lost. For those looking to play less-optimized games, Intel CPUs are a better choice for gaining an extra 10-20 FPS in scenarios where performance hovers around 40-60 FPS with 6000 MHz RAM, as they can efficiently handle and utilize DDR5 RAM speeds of 8200 MHz overpriced memory. Having an X3D chip to achieve 200-400 FPS in already well-optimized scenarios can be overkill if it still struggles in crowded areas where the extra RAM bandwidth provided by 8000+ MHz is crucial. With PCIe 5 capable GPUs on the horizon, we’ll soon see if that higher RAM bandwidth becomes a necessity.
I think I did PBO on my 5700X+ITX A520, and it clocks lower than my 5600x on a x370 and B350...also the 5700x+A520 seems to game slower than the 5600x+x370/B350.
but will jgingue b650i night devil work with 8400F out of the box of does one need a 7500F first to boot into bios update mode? MB arrives on the weeked, but which cpu to get? 8400f is £90, 7500F is £130!
You need to update BIOS, 2 years old motherboard won't detect a new CPU unless BIOS got updated or you bought a new version of B650 that was release after August 2024
I am using the 7500F, with some tweaks, it performs better than the 7600 non X, and the 8400F has the same price with 7500F in my country. With all the specifications from AMD, there is no reason to buy the 8400F.
i just brought an rx 7800xt because it just a deal, $445. The problem i have now is i have 5 5600 and 1080p monitor. So should i upgrade to 5700x3d? or just buy an 1440p monitor instead?
The biggest problem is the lack of PCIe-Lanes. My X870 board only supports PCIe 4.0 x8 for the 8400F and even just 4.0x4 for the 8300 in the GPU slot. That is also why it can be bad for gaming, especially with a high-end card.
8400f is singlecore 7% faster then the ryzen 5 5600g and 2% slower at multicore ... so is it really worth? 3years old apu vs. a6month old apu with deactivated igpu... not really a upgrade from am4 to am5 cpu i think :D
8400f is 1440p CPU. You are not going to see any relevant difference when you are playing at 1440p with rtx4070ti video card. You need 4090 to see any difference
Interesting I am starting to see games and work info more. Would have been nice to see before but I'll take what I can get. Lord knows games seem to be more popular to talk about but in all honesty those days are gone sucks but but yeah gone.
8400f is even slower than 12400f and 5600 . I think its gaming performance is equivalent to i3 12100f which is 75 u.s.d in my country and 8400f is 160 u.s.d . So i think 7600 is much better option if anybody wanted to build new am5 built .
Lmao when? I saw it drop to 100$ once, and the lowest I've seen it now is 105$, and I'm talking about trustable sellers, scammers sell it at that price
My 5900x has a higher boost speed than that chip. (5.15ghz plus -30 pbo2 on all cores but one core that runs at -23.) On B550 i get all my 128GB running at 3600mhz, though this wasnt the case on b450. Absolute unit of a chip.
its AM5 means More upgradable ... it would be a waste to buy AM4 and DDR4 then to swap to AM5 and DDR5 later on .. but its on you if you want to always updated .. but me im good on AM4 platform ..
@@jamienoonan1186 Yeah if the declared value's over £135 you're gonna get charged import fees mate. Long as it's below that then you're all good. Let us know if you'll have gotten charged or not (hopefully not).
I don't see the point of these processors. Because if you need a PC that has such low performance, then AM4 is a better choice. Because for similar money you can buy a Ryzen 5 5500 with a cheaper motherboard and RAM memory. The 5500 is a better processor than both of the processors mentioned in the video.
The 7500F is simply a 7600 non-X that has its 2 RDNA cores disabled , either due to underperforming or flat out not functioning at all. The 8400F is simply an 8500G with it's AMD Radeon™ 740M iGPU disabled for the same reasons as the iGPU in the 7500F. That means the 8400F is limited to only eight lanes of PCIe4 bandwidth for the dGPU expansion slot. Whereas the 7500F has all sixteen lanes of PCIe5 bandwidth. In other words, both of these CPUs are essentially defective silicon that AMD didn't want going to waste.
The 7500f is also clocked slightly lower and most likely a lower binned chip. You're gonna lose your mind when you find out the 7700 is the same thing as a 7600 but with 2 more cores. This logic can be applied to AMD's entire lineup and we were already aware, you're just now figuring this out.
@@jurpo6 . . No. I am not just now figuring this out. And you are incorrect, the 7700 is an 8-core CCD, 2 chiplet design. Whereas the 7600 is a 6-core CCD, 2 chiplet design. All APUs, so far, have been monolithic designs with everything integrated into a single chip. And yes, defective silicon will naturally clock lower. Honestly, in terms of the information presented in this video, I'd just get the 7500F.
@@RANDOMNATION907 i read that upcoming APU will have 2 CCD? Maybe it's for mobile, i Don't know but it configuration 3 core + 3 smaller core or something like that
It's the only one that cheap and has Russian in the pic. Probably a scam. If it was real I might go for that then get 10700x3D when AM5 is on the way out.
Also sorry I forgot to add the 5700X3D, great CPU, a bit better than the 7500F (depends on the game), so it will be better than the 8400F too.
I love my 5700x3d. Really glad I purchased it. Sold my prior chip so it was a free upgrade. im on a mission to max out as many AM4 machines as I can before its truly gone.
why not with the 8700F tray.. same price as 7500F?
The 5700X3D and 7500F have been my go to for mid-range builds. That price on the 8400F is making me reconsider my 12400F budget builds for sure.
Too dated, 9th gen is better and newer, especially 9800X3D, which is the latest and greatest from AMD.
The E8400 of 2024
I like the fact you addressed the elephant in the room. Things are getting tougher for many financially. People selling to downgrade is an option to get you threw to the next payday but keep your system in tact.
can'teven buy pasta and potatoes at the end of the month nowadays.... i live in a shitty country, but yea, it is incredible that half the world keeps mouthing about some percieved economic growth and stability, and the other half is literally dying of starvation and exposure (high rents causes an incredible amount of homelessness, thougy myself somehow managed to dodge that bullet fornow)
@@istvancsap3513 I know exactly where you from. No, it's not the country that is crap. It's the politicians and private/business class interests bonds which is the sh*tstorm itself. Our country and our people is the best ever people ever lives on this planet. And the Rubik cube is the smallest we gave to this world.
És mivel ez igaz, így minden okom megvan rá, hogy büszkén kihúzzam magam! Erőt is kitartást pajtás!
Let's make public affairs manly again!
Until that and after, I'm still fine with the AM4 platform. Possible ugrades in about two years from now.
The man is Back!!! Hope all is good brother.
Thanks man, this month has been slow, will make an update video about it all tomorrow.
@@techyescity Slow is good mate, we don't want you burning out. Quality content as always.
@@techyescity Love the budget content. 🙌
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Always glad to see the value comparisons coming in hot 🔥 no matter if it’s new or used, it’s all about the value
The 8400F should be able to clock the Infinity Fabric and Ram speeds much higher. Since the 8000 and G series are Monolithic chips memory speeds are more stable.
AM5 options are always good. a machine built with this while waiting for a 9800x3d availability or price would be fun.
I just bought AM4 boards to make PCs for fighting games (I refuse to buy PS5), because the support is beautiful for games like that that don't require top of the line hardware
AM5 is going to be another big W for AMD
the bad thing is the motherboard prices are high...you get 620 at the price of 650....better power consuption vs intel but %2 less cores
Happy to see you back man!!
Nice find ! Long time viewer, first time poster... Thanks for your hard work ! :D
Hello brian. It would be very interesting to see 8700f also. More cores vs more cache. Keep up your fantastic work. 👍
I've just finished building a new PC. Upgrading from i5 4460 and AMD 580 to AMD 7500F + 7900xt :) I've been looking at both these CPUs as x3D exploded in price beyond my budget. I could buy the 9800x3D just couldn't justify it, really. That smaller cache of the 8400F made me ditch it. I will wait ~2 years and look to upgrade either to the 9800x3D or it's successor. Thanks for the video I'm proud of my choice :)
Was in similar situation- no issue really. But you wont juice that gpu completely with the cpu
@anderotaola7515 yes I'm aware of it. But I did get into the am5 system and can now calmly wait for a CPU upgrade. The nice thing about it is that an upgrade to 9800x3d or the next better will give a boost to GPU side as well :) tiny bonus
nice upgrade
There's a very real chance the 9800x3D's successor won't be on AM5 anymore though...
@@HenrySomeone sure there is such possibility. That doesn't change that much from my pov. I'm a father of two and no longer a hardcore gamer. So I don't buy the later and greatest hw when it's released. I'm completely fine settling for 9800x3d when the price comes to me.
I was able to score a Ryzen 7 7700 from Aliexpress for about £160 around October (needed a slot in CPU for my new AM5 system and was tight on cash). This was cheaper than the 7600 in the UK new for £170-180. I believe the 7500F was a lil' cheaper but wanted to leverage the extra performance in non-gaming tasks as this was a temporary slot in for future.
But I'll be honest, it's doing quite fantastic
No warranty when you buy an AliExpress tray CPU.
Also, this CPU has half the L3 cache of the 7500F and, as the X3D CPUs have shown, more cache makes a difference in most games.
Until a recent 5700X3D upgrade, I was using a Ryzen 5500. With overclocking, I could get it to perform the same as a 5600 on synthetic benchmarks but it would still be a few frames behind a 5600 in a lot of games due to having half the L3 cache. Still, it performed significantly better than the Ryzen 2600 I had for my first AM4 CPU, which also only had 16MB of L3 cache. The 3600 doubled the cache which was responsible for a substantial amount of the performance uplift on Zen 2.
While you can somewhat make up for lower cache with substantially higher clock speed, there are a lot of games these days which are CPU cache limited. Often, you can observe CPU bottlenecks where the overall CPU utilization is well under 100%, which is either a single thread performance limitation or a cache limitation.
The 5700X3D is the last new AM4 CPU I will buy (my 7th AM4 CPU). The 2600 was the first. In CPU intensive games, the 5700X3D delivers around double the framerate of the 2600. It represents a truly unparalleled level of CPU development on a single platform and the 5700X3D will rock hard for a few more years. I have a massive amount of room for a GPU upgrade.
TL;DR, A CPU with less than 32MB of L3 cache is really cutting corners these days. You will have a noticeable reduction in framerate with most titles from this decade. And most esports titles. Just as we are now in the era where 32GB is the ideal minimum for gaming, so to is 32MB of L3 cache the ideal minimum. The 8400F is best left to only the most low spec of gaming builds. Would be fine with something like a 3050 6GB or a 2060.
Also, the 8400F only has 20 PCIe lanes, so GL if you want to run a GPU and more than one NVMe drive. You're most likely going to be cutting the speed of your drives with the 8400F, whereas the 7500F has 24 lanes and can take two gen 4 drives at full speed. NVMe through the chipset is...slow.
2:35 There may not be a huge difference with a budget GPU between a 7500F and 8400F but there are significant differences between either of those CPUs and a 5700X3D. And the benefit of that much cache is still not broadly recognized because, while higher max FPS might be the goal for a lot of people, all the frames in the world are useless if you have wildly inconsistent frametimes. X3D technology helps to smooth out the gameplay considerably.
I run Cyberpunk at 1440p medium with FSR quality on a particularly good example of a RX6600 that, when overclocked, benchmarks at 90% of the rasterization performance of an average 4060.
With the 5500, I had to lock it at 60fps to ensure I never had any stutters or frame drops. After getting the 5700X3D, I now have it locked at 90fps. That is a huge difference in practical, real world performance. Benchmarking really doesn't show real world performance differences well.
I think it's just right to get on the AM5 platform. Motherboards are also getting cheaper. DDR5 RAM on the other hand, the NAND shortage isn't helping for sure. Should be enough for a few months until enough money is saved for a 7600 or higher
the video i was looking for!
Reviews like these are great, even if they don`t make that much sense for your market, for example, the 7500F isn`t really avaible in Brazil, but we have the 8400F at around 75% the price of the 7600. Due to taxes, getting a 7500F from Aliexpress costs the same as the 7600 from our local shops, so not really that good there as well
From the 1600AF and on with these under $100 options. Pretty solid value.
Finally, I waited for this review. I bought one too
The 8700F is closer to price comparable with the 7500F, so while you still suffer the shortage of PCIE lanes and half the cache, you get 8C/16T vs 6C/12T
8700f vs 7500f are the same core count...they are both 6/12...if you find them cheap buy whatever its cheaper...otherwise if you have tight budget for a pc then buy 5700x3d way better than both
intresting that 8400f supports 256G of ram, a production plus there, but a minus with pci-e 4.0 and 20 CPU lanes
Shoulda tossed in a 5700x3D to see if the 7500f/8400f+Cheapo Mobo+RAM is enough value to offset just upgrading the CPU for AM4 owners?
With the 5700x3d, I would honestly ride it out until AM6.
i am still using the 7500F. It's no slouch and noticeably better than the 8400F.
Of course, 7000 and 8000 series shouldnt be compared.
wc back bro! was puzzled why ur videos not showing up. guess uve been busy this month. hope all is well :)
Performance wise all these "G" models with halved cache are comparable to previous gen... R8400F = R5600X
naaah.. the 7500f is a decent comparison point. the 5600x is quite a big amount slower
I got an i7 1280p (Es) all in one board coming from AliExpress. I'm curious to see how it does. I got it just to mess around with, but it'll probably end up being my son's PC. His PC is a Xeon v2 that performs very well but it's missing instruction sets and he needs to switch to solid state storage.
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You'd be perfect as a camera guy for war movies....lol.
It is like the 7500F but it just have 16x PCIe Lanes (4.0) usable, so you can use it only when the NVMe SSD is installed in the M.2 Slot from the Chipset. Otherwise the main PCIe Slot runs at 8x speed. The CPU is absolutely insane for this price, when PCIe 4.0 and the fewer Lanes are no problem. Like a Budget AM5 System where you plan to upgrade in 2 years anyway and buy a good mainboard.
We need to know what the memory controller on the 8000 chips will hit in forced 1:1
I could see the 8400F being lower than an 8700G due to binning but even the worst 8000 should do better than any Zen 4 or 5 chiplet IOD yes?
For those unaware, the 8000 are a monolithic 4nm chip so the I/O and memory controller are potentially more performant than the 6nm chiplet used and reused in 7000 and 9000
How about adding 8700f to the comparison, price gap between 7500f and 8700f is small
Is the PCIE 4.0 x8 limitation on GPU-slot a factor for PCIE 4.0 x16 GPU's like the RX6700XT or A750 or is it the cache?
it becomes a limitation if it was x4, it will just reduce abit fps, barely measurable in this case
no
В каком разрешении тестировалось общее потребление системы? В 1080 или 4к?
Просто в 1080 получается не корректно сравнивать. Там идет недогрузка видеокарты. Из 1080 можно только потребление самого процессора брать, но никак не всей системы
Would be nice to see it compared to 5700x3d since the overall system cost would be comparable due to how cheap ddr4 and am4 is.
5700x3d is a bit better than the 7500F IIRC (with good DDR4), so it wouldn't be worlds of a difference.
So essentially it's comparable to 5600 with a similar price but it's on AM5
I wanted to get pretty cheap upgrade to am5, i just bought 7500f. I was interested in 8400f because it is the cheapest am5 cpu, but i saw it being noticeable slower than 7500f in benchmarks i checked so i went for the 7500f. Now i just need motherboard and ram, waiting to see if i can get them cheaper on black friday sales.
the 7500f has twice the l3 cache 32mb vs the 8400f 16mb
As an ex budget gamer, i would love to see a performance per dollar graph comparison , at realistic settings (1080p60fps high 1440p60fps medium) with a realistic gpu (6600xt rtx4060), between this CPU (and the x3d chips for the fun of it)
Im thinking of getting this on the cheap and pair with asrock a620m hdv+
Shud be a great build for $170++
Will it game ez on 1080p144?
Playing warzone mostly😂
i hadone with the exact mobo-cpu as you mentioned, worked great out of the box with 6000 MT ddr5
7500F has more cache and is compatible with PCIe 5, although at that CPU performance level, PCIe 5 is kind of pointless.
Better Wait for 9500F /9700x3D / 9000 non-x series next year....Beside, u need Bios update for 8000 series on older mobo.
Budget banger AM5 battle go!
All I know is it has me thinking that MAYBE I should skip upgrading my 1500X to a 5700X3D ($155 on Ali) on AM4 and just go straight to AM5. I'll lose out on the memory kit I bought, but I can sell that with the 1500X and AM4 board as a combo.
DDR5 is still quite expensive but if you doesn't care about speed, 4800 should be good enough for gaming
You should get the 5700x3d
how about the 8700f? that one was the one I see equally priced w/ 7500f in aliexpress.
Just bought a N100 nuc from aliexpress $160aud, gonna install Moonlight streaming client on it for couch gaming from my fast desktop PC.
which one
Holy half the framerate batman. That cpu is struggling with the half cache. 9800x3d is simply insane.
Isnt this a reasonable upgrade from the legendary Athlon AM4?
Would be great to see that comparison.
Retailer in my country: 150-200eur... Buch of scalpers, all of them...
hi brian, you must consider Ryzen 7 8700f too at current price. It cost same as ryzen 7500f, with better productivity and power efficiency 👍
If it were priced the same in my country, it would've been a great choice. But for that price, the most decent CPU we can get is either a 5600 or a 12400f.
Prices went up on Ali ! Over 300 euro for the 7500F !
I just bought 10 7500f for 1210$ . 121$ each. And i am in EU. WTF are you talkin about?
8400f It's extremely efficient CPU . Together with 4070super is perfect combination for quiet and efficient system
There's no difference between the CPUs when you are playing 1440p
Needs to be swimming in Multipurpose spray to extract that Tech YES Lovin.
Hello, I saw that you talk a lot about the x58 platform, what is the best GPU for a xeon x5650 Overclocked and its strongest variants?
it's pretty well known at this point that L3 cache on ryzen is king for gaming, and the 8400f has a measly 16mb of it
no wonder it loses to the 32mb 7500f
Wow the 8400f brand new is only about $20 more expensive than a used 3600x. Could you do a comparison? Maybe it'll help drop used prices LOL. I know it is apples to oranges. AM4 VS AM5.
My question is this... When you show the data that leads us to believe that all 4 CPU at 4k have nearly the same performance is this due to GPU limit? Also what about it you overclocked the X3D models? I feel like the data is misleading to those who understand how to effectively overclock the x3D models. That being said, I'll assume we are a minority due to the complexity and lack of fine tune guidance; not to say that skatterbencher doesn't show people some copy and paste that does improve performance, I feel there are multiple techniques that can be applied, it can be convoluted. But I digress, I think the performance jump might be significant enough to be warranted, I can't wait to do my own testing on this. Thanks for the video.
Would be nice if you add 5600 / 5700x as well to see how big the gap for budget build
I saw somewhere that they test the silicone after its processed and if for example it is completely working its going to be "X" cpu and if it has a dead IGPU its becomes "Y" cpu
true or false? makes sense to me instead of wasting it or "disabling" the IGPU and selling it for less
Just bought this thing as a place holder until my preordered 9800x3d comes in.
7500F is about 15-20$ cheaper than 8400F here in the Philippines, guess we stay at 7500F
in my country ryzen cpus are always more expensive, so 3.5 to 9.5 pricewise which from charts shown, the performance difference just doesn't justify 2.5-3 time he price jump for around 10% improvement considering motherboard as well/
I need a cheap am5 cpu to check an asus b650 motherboard before i pop my 9800x3d in and i can’t get the damn bios flashback working. Are the 8000 series supported on a basic bios? Or do they need a bios update? I bought the motherboard used and the seller told me he couldn’t make it POST, but i figured i’d give it a try simce i’ve had some luck with boards like that in the past.
You need to update BIOS.
@ for the 9800x3d i know, but what you say is i would need to update bios for 8000 series too? Makes sense! I’ll try to find a used 7000 chip or find someone with one so i can flash that darn asus board
The 8000 series doesn't have as many pcie lanes available to it max of 8 lanes when a full spec GPU uses 16 it's good but theirs real compromise too
but what about the 8700f i feel like with the 2 extra cores its really could be the ultimate budget cpu with a upgrade path
This video seems to focus on a minimalist perspective - selecting a CPU that can nearly maximize the performance of a 4080 in moderately optimized games without overspending on unnecessary CPU performance that won’t be utilized in most scenarios. 7500F wins because of currently enough cache and PCIe5
Actually, an X3D chip is valuable because some games aren't properly optimized, such as Star Citizen, Resident Evil 4, and Spider-Man.
In 2024, the optimal price-to-performance PC setup includes the Ryzen 5 7500F paired with a 4070 Super or Ti GPU and 2x16Gb 6000 c30 ram.
The AMD 7000 and 9000 series CPUs struggle with stable 1:1 performance beyond 6400 MHz dual-channel RAM at CL32 timings and change to 2:1 and any benefit is lost.
For those looking to play less-optimized games, Intel CPUs are a better choice for gaining an extra 10-20 FPS in scenarios where performance hovers around 40-60 FPS with 6000 MHz RAM, as they can efficiently handle and utilize DDR5 RAM speeds of 8200 MHz overpriced memory.
Having an X3D chip to achieve 200-400 FPS in already well-optimized scenarios can be overkill if it still struggles in crowded areas where the extra RAM bandwidth provided by 8000+ MHz is crucial. With PCIe 5 capable GPUs on the horizon, we’ll soon see if that higher RAM bandwidth becomes a necessity.
*7500F was and always will be KING until another king appears*
and the 7700 non x! also a very good option at 210 usd
price per $. thtas all that mattes at this price point.
how does it compare to Ryzen 5 5600
I think I did PBO on my 5700X+ITX A520, and it clocks lower than my 5600x on a x370 and B350...also the 5700x+A520 seems to game slower than the 5600x+x370/B350.
A520 is limited to 65w my 5700x use arround 130w on full boost that should be the problem
how does it compare to the 5600?
What should i get 8400f which is like 90$ or an 7500f ie 145 usd for u low budget pc
but will jgingue b650i night devil work with 8400F out of the box of does one need a 7500F first to boot into bios update mode? MB arrives on the weeked, but which cpu to get? 8400f is £90, 7500F is £130!
You need to update BIOS, 2 years old motherboard won't detect a new CPU unless BIOS got updated or you bought a new version of B650 that was release after August 2024
Whats the outro tune?
Street fighter.
@ thanks
Are we almost to the point of being able to make a $300 am5 pc? If so holy crap.
I am using the 7500F, with some tweaks, it performs better than the 7600 non X, and the 8400F has the same price with 7500F in my country. With all the specifications from AMD, there is no reason to buy the 8400F.
There is the reason, it is called money 😁
Compared to 5700x 5600, how does it stack?
The 7500f is about 20% faster than a 5600/5700x
I remember that non f lacks some pcie lanes
So does this lacks it too?
I meant the g model
R5 8400g
i just brought an rx 7800xt because it just a deal, $445. The problem i have now is i have 5 5600 and 1080p monitor. So should i upgrade to 5700x3d? or just buy an 1440p monitor instead?
Get a 1440p monitor first for sure.
Considering how modern games are evolving, you may want to keep that 1080p monitor 😆😁
@@aleksazunjic9672 F* modern games. He better stick to his guns and enjoy some classics.
@@aleksazunjic9672 🤣🤣like stalker 2
@@monotheisticmortal5122 hmm okay, i shall see the prices. If its cheaper than 5700x3d
L3 Cache is king, Ryzen 5 3600 wins from the Ryzen 5 4500 olso same story less L3 cache
The biggest problem is the lack of PCIe-Lanes.
My X870 board only supports PCIe 4.0 x8 for the 8400F and even just 4.0x4 for the 8300 in the GPU slot. That is also why it can be bad for gaming, especially with a high-end card.
Surely you're not buying a budget CPU like a 8400F with a waste of money board like an X870, right - RIGHT?
@@b0ne91 Are there even real budget MoBos for AM5?
@b0ne91 They bought an X870, and think 4.0 x8 matters, so there is no telling what is going on here.
8400f is singlecore 7% faster then the ryzen 5 5600g and 2% slower at multicore ... so is it really worth? 3years old apu vs. a6month old apu with deactivated igpu... not really a upgrade from am4 to am5 cpu i think :D
It is ok-ish when you want to switch from AM4 to AM5, and don't have lot of money . After all, you need new MB and RAM also.
8400f is 1440p CPU. You are not going to see any relevant difference when you are playing at 1440p with rtx4070ti video card.
You need 4090 to see any difference
Interesting I am starting to see games and work info more. Would have been nice to see before but I'll take what I can get. Lord knows games seem to be more popular to talk about but in all honesty those days are gone sucks but but yeah gone.
8400f is even slower than 12400f and 5600 . I think its gaming performance is equivalent to i3 12100f which is 75 u.s.d in my country and 8400f is 160 u.s.d . So i think 7600 is much better option if anybody wanted to build new am5 built .
USE MID RANGE GPUS ON THESE FORMS OF COMPARISONS... I BET LESS THAN 5% ACTUALLY HAVE 4090
you clearly have no idea what you're talking about
But 7500F was 85$ on AliExpress
Lmao when? I saw it drop to 100$ once, and the lowest I've seen it now is 105$, and I'm talking about trustable sellers, scammers sell it at that price
@@matiasbao4900 I bought it for 84.93$ on Nov 1 and received in two weeks, working perfectly.
I'm from Ukraine, so your pricing may be different
@@matiasbao4900 got it for $84.93 on Nov 1st. Received in a few weeks here in Ukraine, working just fine
Those are scammer, you should check people comment if you want to know seller really sell that product or not
@@arx117 I bought it for 84.93$ on Nov 1st. Works perfectly
If i click zhe link, page said sold out, and if i search for that cpu in the search field i get no results... Strange... But greetings from germany..
My 5900x has a higher boost speed than that chip. (5.15ghz plus -30 pbo2 on all cores but one core that runs at -23.)
On B550 i get all my 128GB running at 3600mhz, though this wasnt the case on b450. Absolute unit of a chip.
Disappointed that you didn't compare vs Ryzen 5500 that has similar price, making it a more relevant comparison.
its AM5 means More upgradable ... it would be a waste to buy AM4 and DDR4 then to swap to AM5 and DDR5 later on .. but its on you if you want to always updated .. but me im good on AM4 platform ..
I've just bought 7600x off AliExpress for £140. how does that compare to this CPU?
Way better, it's already a bit better than the 7500F
@matiasbao4900 You can just manually clock it to the same speeds lol. 7600x is essentially they did it out of the bin lol
Did you have to pay any import fees? Thinking of getting one myself.
@monotheisticmortal5122 yes, £140 including tax but not received it yet, I only ordered it a few days ago. Hopefully no hidden charges
@@jamienoonan1186 Yeah if the declared value's over £135 you're gonna get charged import fees mate. Long as it's below that then you're all good. Let us know if you'll have gotten charged or not (hopefully not).
parts bin special!!
4950 at 40w???
I don't see the point of these processors.
Because if you need a PC that has such low performance, then AM4 is a better choice. Because for similar money you can buy a Ryzen 5 5500 with a cheaper motherboard and RAM memory. The 5500 is a better processor than both of the processors mentioned in the video.
It's called upgrade path, my friend.
Maybe in future, people who use 7500f might upgrade their CPU to 9700X3D
can you test the 8700F its ame price as 7500f
Feel like I would toss this into a server if I had a motherboard laying around for home lab purposes
uhh, ryzen review without PBO is like australia without deadly animals. Just plain wrong. PBO is such an integral part, ngl
The 7500F is simply a 7600 non-X that has its 2 RDNA cores disabled , either due to underperforming or flat out not functioning at all.
The 8400F is simply an 8500G with it's AMD Radeon™ 740M iGPU disabled for the same reasons as the iGPU in the 7500F.
That means the 8400F is limited to only eight lanes of PCIe4 bandwidth for the dGPU expansion slot. Whereas the 7500F has all sixteen lanes of PCIe5 bandwidth.
In other words, both of these CPUs are essentially defective silicon that AMD didn't want going to waste.
The 7500f is also clocked slightly lower and most likely a lower binned chip. You're gonna lose your mind when you find out the 7700 is the same thing as a 7600 but with 2 more cores. This logic can be applied to AMD's entire lineup and we were already aware, you're just now figuring this out.
@@jurpo6 . . No. I am not just now figuring this out. And you are incorrect, the 7700 is an 8-core CCD, 2 chiplet design. Whereas the 7600 is a 6-core CCD, 2 chiplet design. All APUs, so far, have been monolithic designs with everything integrated into a single chip. And yes, defective silicon will naturally clock lower. Honestly, in terms of the information presented in this video, I'd just get the 7500F.
@@RANDOMNATION907 i read that upcoming APU will have 2 CCD? Maybe it's for mobile, i Don't know but it configuration 3 core + 3 smaller core or something like that
what about the 8700F thats $100 on aliexpress?
It's the only one that cheap and has Russian in the pic. Probably a scam. If it was real I might go for that then get 10700x3D when AM5 is on the way out.
Doesn t matter 8400F or 8700F, 7500F always better.
Ryzen 5 7500F Gang
12400F still the king
9500F when, AMD?