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@ChilliJonCarne what is your email as I would like to send you an email I received from the BBC. This was to do with my BBC iPlayer account not like the normal ones saying we noticed you have used it but telling me I hadn't used it for over a year and if I don't use it soon they was going to remove my account.
No it is wrong they can even demand you update No Licence needed with bullying letters. They should have the decency to send a letter requesting and update with a prepaid envelope to return your reply. Why should I have to CON-tact them spending my time and effort if I do not need a licence and my no licence needed date has expired. As far as I am CON-cerned they can take a running jump.
@@BedsitBob Just venting because I can and I do not heed any of the letters in any case. There is nothing they can do to me no matter what as they do not have a leg to stand on.
Who do they think they are to insist that we all have to contact them every two years for the rest of our lives to tell them we don't want or need their services. I've got two words for them, the first starts with an F the second with O.
Hate to break it to you but tv licensing don't investigate sex crimes.The CPS dropped a case against Jimmy Saville due to witnesses unwilling to testify.Its a shame that woman who fostered children and abused them wasn't investigated considering she was visited by social services regularly.
I have never had calls from TV license until I decided to declare that I never needed a TV licence on their website. After that, they now call to my door all the time and send me letters. I was thinking of taking them to court for harassment.
Hi, I also declared that I did not need one and very quickly got some letters. I contacted TV licensing via the website and Politely, told them I did not appreciate being Threatened Bi-Weekly, They responded saying they would make sure the lists were updated, and I have never heard from anyone since. It has now been nearly 2 years since my last letter.
Over the last few years I’ve not had a tv license, I’ve had a few threatening letters from them but they went straight into the recycling bin. Had one visit whilst I was at work, I informed them last year that didn’t need or wanted one seeing that I didn’t have a tv. I’ve not heard from them since
I have never been asked why I do not have a Private Pilot's Licence. Nor a Fishing Licence. Nor a Fish Licence. (Monty Python). No one ever asks me why I do not have a licence for my collection of rare snake skins, nor my unmatched set of Beer Mats. Neither my, to my mind, unequalled collection of Toe Nail Clippings. AND YET - Crapita assumes I must need a TVL, and they continue to harass me with letters, which go, unopened, straight into recycling. In a word, Crapita, enjoy a carnal act in another place, would you? [Translation on request, but it will cost you, Crapita.] As an old man, I find that, throughout my life, everyone assumes I must spend hours per day watching TV, that I must have a car, and that I have a huge collection of children and grandchildren. Last time I was in a hospital, no one understood that I had not littered the planet with progeny. Not everyone is the same as you, people.
Oh exactly. I have not been asked why I do not have a licence for my growing stash of knitting yarn (guilty/innocent, where's my halo look), yet like you we still get those demanding letters about a TV licence. Tell me do you get yours in a fetching red envelope? They shred just the same, main course and dessert as we get ours in English and Welsh. Now aren't we lucky bunnies?
I get a lot of assumptions made about me too, as a woman I'm always assumed to be married, pregnant, anorexic and of low intelligence! As you rightly say - not everyone is the same as these failures in life!
I have never been sent a letter from tesco saying I have to pay for dog food if I a, have a dog b, take dog food from their shop and because it is possible I could have a dog and it is possible I can hide a dog that thet will send someone over to go through my cupboards and finance records.
I have a car that will do 155mph but I don’t get the old bill knocking on my door asking if I’ve been doing that speed! If I have they have to prove it! That is the same with the tv licence surely. The goons can fook right off!
I just look through the peep hole and don't answer the door to anyone holding a clipboard or something. They can knock all they like.If there is something a want to buy,I wouldn't wait for a salesman to come knocking to sell it to me.
And the devil also needs an invitation to enter one's home in order to do harm, he can't come in with no invitation - just like these goons... He also has to warn his victims of what he is going to do to them (to create fear) - just like these goons... The similarities are shocking!
I much prefer to ignore these letters and any goons if they want to show up at my door, basically I enjoy giving them the run around because they choose threats over decent polite contact.
Only recently discovered your channel, but I ditched my licence many years ago. I've always been aware of the information you give out but still watching and liking your vids to help boost you in the algorithm. I do this because I encounter so many people that feel intimidated by their tactics and believe their lies. I'm recommending your channel to these people every time I get the chance. You're doing good work here, Jon, keep it up.
I filled out the ‘no license needed’ thing a few months ago, then not long ago they appear to have lost my details, as I kept getting the standard chasers addressed to the ‘legal occupier’. Plonkers.
Because it is a Tax, Calling it a Licence is a False Representation for donkeys years.... on their behalf, Making it illegal by law or USA law most of all.....
I used to have a licence and was obviously on the system. When I didn't renew I got the usual repeating circle of letters in my name. They eventually sent the goon round but instead of confirming my name I just told him that the old people had moved out and I was a workman doing the place up to be rented out. I now just get the letters addressed to "The Occupier" so that's even better now 👍
I noticed in new letters they have changed enforcement officer to "Officer" just to give that hint of legality, isn't there laws about trying to impersonate police in person or correspondence?
I cancelled my TV licence a month ago and I got a letter saying they might still visit my property. I don't know if they come as I'm always at work or out somewhere lol.
Visiting your property is one thing. letting them into your property is another and speaking to them is yet another. The first, you can do nothing about but the other two? just don't.
i put this is private property if u trespass to sell or so it be $500 to enter $500 ring or knock & etc near the middle lawyer fee $15,000+ with court cost of $20,000 or more with stuff u own
I get a letter every month from these idiots, some threatening, all are harrasment. At least a dozen times they have threatened me with a visit, still havent had one. But when I first cancelled I wrote to them, so they knew who I was and why, since then they have forgotten my name and simply refer to me as the occupier. Now door to door sales men are one thing, but threatening letters should be illegal. I bin all of them, they are best treated that way. If one of these clowns turn up, just treat them like any other cold caller, say no thanks, and close the door.
In local supermarket had police presence giving out support docs etc, so I asked for a notice for the door No cold calling, If they do turn up I will just point to it , there's a number to ring if they don't go away 😅
I wonder if mailing their letters back into a postbox to be re-delivered would create an additional postage charge to TVL? If it does, then we should all repost their letters as many times as we can to bankrupt them!
I have over 200 to 'return to sender'. I have saved them as evidence, and they are photographically recorded. Never opened any. Any link as to the cost incurred to tvl would be appreciated. Drawn a blank so far. I plan returning them one at a time between now and 2027.
If we the General public wrote a threatening letter which this is, the victim could get something done about, but a big company does it and we are suppose to let it go, what a lovely country Britain has become
Had these letters, PMSL and did I contact them DIFand as they are agents of the BBC I invite them onto the property and shout the dogs and they run the other way; their letters are always addressed to The Occupier and nobody with that name living here and not had a license for over a decade.
Thanks Jon. I'm sometimes a tad curious as to what was inside those envelopes. I haven't opened one for a good 8 years now and can freely say that my recycling bin has no problem excepting them.
Hi ChilliJon, we have had a licence in the past at this address, however we decided not renew when we went to non-live TV. We only get letters addressed to to 'The Occupier' now. We have no intention of telling we don't need a licence again as it states in their letters that 'they will still need to investigate' so what on earth is the point if they don't believe us? I would rather just shred the things. If they want to waste their money that's their option, at least they are not wasting mine.
The important figure is the number of households not paying a TV licence fee. How many of them have actually declared they do not need a licence is a minor detail and can be information useful only to Crapita. I won't be renewing my declaration when it expires quite soon and will simply ignore their letters and anybody they decide to send round. Letters and visits, of course, add to Crapita's costs and I won't be losing any sleep over that either.
When I was declaring I did not need a licence (and legitimately did not according to the rules) the BBC were sending "reminders" that I did not have a licence, so should tell them I still don't, about every 2-3 months, and if I did that, they would not pester me again for 2 years, except even if I did they would "remind me" again 2-3 months later, so eventually I just started ignoring them. After about another 2 years, the letters started being addressed to "the occupier" rather than me by name. it has been about 4 years since I started ignoring them, and no visit yet.
Thanks for head up. I'm probably due one of these soon even though I've been hassled non stop since I told them I no longer need a licence, nearly two years ago! I shall ignore this one like all the rest, and I won't be confirming that I still don't need a licence because....what's the point????
I'd like to know what makes them naturally assume you need a TV licence in the first place? How can they ever prove you need one? If you don't watch the BBC, iPlayer, or any other live TV channels, what does it take to prove this? If they claim you do need one, and you say you do not, isn't it simply a case of your word against theirs? Time wasters!
6 years ago when I cancelled my TV license they said I wouldn't hear from them for 2 years, they then said I need to renew the "No license needed form. I just told them they can threaten and send all the letters they want, the only way that I would contact them again was if I decided to watch TV again and I would then buy a license. Which will never happen. Had so many threats that I was going to have a visit but has never happened, yet.
I had this letter too. Ignored it since I didn't like the threatening tone it had. The next letter I got last week basically says the same stuff except it now has the property down as 'Unlicensed'. That's gone in the bin too :p
I did let them know that I no longer needed a licence, and indeed had a refund. Since then, regular letters, which went straight to recycling. I have now had enough, so obscure my address, and post them back, with no stamp. This will continue indefinately.
You don't have to provide a name when you declare no licence needed. Mine was due for renewal last month and all that the online form asks is the address and an email address to send the comfirmation to. I move home in two weeks time and I've not decided yet if I'm going to declare or just ignore them at the new address.
I've filled them in as well 2 or 3 times. But I'm moving in a few weeks and I'm definitely not declaring i don't need a licence ever again. I don't need one and it's none of their business.
@@margaretblack8538 I'm with you on this, that's exactly my thoughts. Why should we tell them anything, not like we tell other providers we don't need or want their services.
@@DARTraderMediaProductions • I totally agree, no company would get away with their tactics in this day and age. It's so ridiculous, I feel sorry for people older than me who feel frightened and intimidated. I've had an odd letter come through when I've had a declaration in place, but I'm not filling one in for the rest of my life. They can send this 'Occupier' as many as they want. Enjoy your new home as I will. 😊
I informed these scum I dont need a licence years ago, yet still get harrassing letters with "unlicenced" at the top. I ignore them, and dare them to send someone round. I know my rights and as I dont watch tv, I will give them the mouthful they deserve. Still waiting 😆
I have just cancelled my TV licence and received a refund, so they've accepted my declaration that I no longer watch TV. I got a threatening letter dated before the refund arrived!
We responded to 2 letters telling them why we no longer needed a licence. They still sent their so called heavies round and I said this is harassment as I've been corresponding with you and they still started to ask questions so I said, are you still harassing me? They then went.
Iv not had a license for many years because I don't have a TV (nor would I watch the BBC tripe if I did!) and I got a similar letter some years back. I filled out the "No License Needed" form online (again) and there was a comments section to add "Further Information". So I did add some information, explaining that if they wanted me to get in touch with them so badly my fees were £35 per hour (or any part of an hour) and any and all further communication from them would be charged at the same rate. Iv not had a letter since.
Hi all, I have declared my address no licence needed over the phone, I politely declined when they asked my name, but they do have my address. I made sure to repeatedly tell them how threatening their letters are and that I'm informing them that further communication will be considered harassment and that I was recording my phone call with them as they are with me. I have unsurprisingly heard nothing further.
i have not watched tv for 40 years i have declared i dont need one ,every month i get these letter to find that they have stopped my declartion of not needing one and i have to do it all again, or do i just keep my emails for proof of doing it. for the last 2 years been going on since i moved from middle of nowhere to a town, there just threating letters its harassment, because i have Autisum its driving me mad and find myself re declaring every month even before i get the letter so ill now see i i still get a letter this month. im now going to ignor everything.
I received the same letter. It was the second of two I've received so far since I took the decision to not renew my "no license needed" declaration. They know my name now for obvious reasons but this doesn't bother me. I'm mostly curious about what they'll actually do, which is why I chose not to renew. It's been a couple of months now and I haven't received anything since I received the same letter featured in this video. I sent both in to chilli and if I receive any more, I'll be sure to send them in. Great video, keep it up!
Here's one for you folks, I got a letter about an "Enforcement visit" to of which I replied on their letter "Please do come and bring guns, as you will need them" we are now four years down the line and Im still waiting for my visit.🤣
I was wondering when you was gonna make a video of my letter, lmao I'm still waiting for Capita to turn up, had no letters since. I won't be renewing it as it is costing them money to do this. Sucks to be capita.
The thing that annoys me most about these letters is their blatant disregard for the law. Is it, or is it not, a fact that the law in this country works on the presumption of innocence and you have to be proven guilty of a crime in a court of law? These letters always seem to assume the exact opposite and they are expecting you to prove you are not doing something (i.e. watching live television or using the accursed iPlayer) rather than the onus being on them to prove that you are doing these things. Nevertheless, I recently completed my third "no licence needed" declaration (by email) so I am legally licence free - whatever that may actually mean.
I "neglected" to renew my NL form after it expired and they've been sending me letters for the last 6 months, slowly ratcheting up the fear factor.. frankly im bored of waiting for the goon to visit already. Get on with it!
Jon you don’t need to give your details when doing a No Licence Needed Exemption. Your name can be left blank. You only have to give them an email address - this should be an an anonymous email address or alias that doesn’t contain your name. It’s easy to create an additional email address or alias in most existing email accounts, or you can just sign up for a free one. If you’re an Apple user you can generate an alias with the Hide My Email feature built into the operating system. I’ve done No Licence Needed Exemptions successfully many times now for myself and family members for years, and it’s still worth doing, because it normally stops all contact for up to 2 years.
Don’t contact them and bin the letters. Don’t declare anything. You don’t write to sky, electric companies, coda phone or anyone else telling them you don’t need their service. When they come around shut the door. It makes no difference to declaring to prevent a door knock as they state that they will send someone around to check you TV anyway.
1 in 8 needed a licence. Wasn't it recently 1 in 10 or 1 in 12 ? I guess they just pluck figures out of the air. I phoned to cancel just before Xmas and haven't had a visit so far, but did get a threatening letter shortly after I cancelled.
Took them exactly 6 months to send an "officer" here after I cancelled. That visit was 10 months ago. The letters quieted down a bit after the visit, but a year after the cancelation they were back up to full force, one every two weeks, with escalating threats, so I'm now gripped with excitement and salivating at the prospect of repelling these vile boarders once again.
is there not a notice you can stick to your door saying "no tv licence required at this address", similar to the no cold callers notices some people have on their front doors
The no licence needed form doesn't require your details. It only requires your address and an email address (which you can just put a random email address in for). They already know your address based on them sending a letter. The only information you're giving really is that the house is now occupied, but ultimately they'll find that out from a visit eventually anyway.
It really makes no sense. You have until this date to tell us you don't need a licence, or you will be treated as unlicensed... How about leave me alone and I'll tell you if I need a licence.
isn’t there some sort of “conduct authority” who can shame theses people? There’s something wrong if there is no protection from this bullying type of treatment. If it was anyone else they’d be in serious hot water.
Anyone apart from myself, has anyone received an email from BBC iPlayer informing that the account has not been used in over a year so they are deleting it 🤣😂😆I have saved it.
I recently received one of these letters.... only 10 months after completing a no licence needed declaration (NLND). The letter even included the detail that there was over a year left on my current NLND! As I recall, there was a claim that they were checking in case I had moved home(?!!). Rightly or wrongly, I begrudgingly completed the NLND again, so should now have a further 2 years... not that I have much trust in that being the case.
last year i renewed the no licence required declaration and they said i might get a visit from them. send them out if it makes you feel better but as i don't own a tv or watch bbc iplayer which means i don't have any contract with them and they would be wasting everyones time. not had a letter for months.
If they send a goon - IF - don't answer the door. You are not under any obligation to answer the door to a stranger! No one can break your door down apart from cops and they need a bloody good reason to break anyone's door down.
Jon filling in the online form you DO NOT need to tell them your name, just the Address, and an email.( make one up if you want to it does not matter.) Form filled in. They still do not have your name, but the address is classed as no licence needed.
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@ChilliJonCarne what is your email as I would like to send you an email I received from the BBC. This was to do with my BBC iPlayer account not like the normal ones saying we noticed you have used it but telling me I hadn't used it for over a year and if I don't use it soon they was going to remove my account.
No it is wrong they can even demand you update No Licence needed with bullying letters. They should have the decency to send a letter requesting and update with a prepaid envelope to return your reply. Why should I have to CON-tact them spending my time and effort if I do not need a licence and my no licence needed date has expired.
As far as I am CON-cerned they can take a running jump.
@@gregparman-sibley6277 They can demand whatever they want.
Doesn't mean you have to comply. 😁
@@BedsitBob Just venting because I can and I do not heed any of the letters in any case. There is nothing they can do to me no matter what as they do not have a leg to stand on.
How come we can't take them to court for harassment?
Who do they think they are to insist that we all have to contact them every two years for the rest of our lives to tell them we don't want or need their services.
I've got two words for them, the first starts with an F the second with O.
Pity they weren’t as keen to open an investigation into Jimmy Saville or Rolf Harris.
Or Stuart Hall from It’s a Knockout! All dirty filthy bastards! You might want to add the radio Leicester due Tone and Jules !
they were to busy playing with rolf harris"s digery doo
Hate to break it to you but tv licensing don't investigate sex crimes.The CPS dropped a case against Jimmy Saville due to witnesses unwilling to testify.Its a shame that woman who fostered children and abused them wasn't investigated considering she was visited by social services regularly.
they paid their TV licenses though
@@paulrossbotham4359 “Now then now then”
I have never had calls from TV license until I decided to declare that I never needed a TV licence on their website. After that, they now call to my door all the time and send me letters. I was thinking of taking them to court for harassment.
Hi, I also declared that I did not need one and very quickly got some letters. I contacted TV licensing via the website and Politely, told them I did not appreciate being Threatened Bi-Weekly, They responded saying they would make sure the lists were updated, and I have never heard from anyone since. It has now been nearly 2 years since my last letter.
Over the last few years I’ve not had a tv license, I’ve had a few threatening letters from them but they went straight into the recycling bin. Had one visit whilst I was at work, I informed them last year that didn’t need or wanted one seeing that I didn’t have a tv. I’ve not heard from them since
If you live in England you can remove tv licensings implied right of access which permanently prevents them sending letters or goons to your door.
Best bet is not to tell them anything, just blank them, zero communication! What can they do?
I filled a nln since 2017 and never had a problem no visits or letters
I have never been asked why I do not have a Private Pilot's Licence. Nor a Fishing Licence. Nor a Fish Licence. (Monty Python). No one ever asks me why I do not have a licence for my collection of rare snake skins, nor my unmatched set of Beer Mats. Neither my, to my mind, unequalled collection of Toe Nail Clippings. AND YET - Crapita assumes I must need a TVL, and they continue to harass me with letters, which go, unopened, straight into recycling. In a word, Crapita, enjoy a carnal act in another place, would you? [Translation on request, but it will cost you, Crapita.]
As an old man, I find that, throughout my life, everyone assumes I must spend hours per day watching TV, that I must have a car, and that I have a huge collection of children and grandchildren. Last time I was in a hospital, no one understood that I had not littered the planet with progeny. Not everyone is the same as you, people.
Oh exactly. I have not been asked why I do not have a licence for my growing stash of knitting yarn (guilty/innocent, where's my halo look), yet like you we still get those demanding letters about a TV licence. Tell me do you get yours in a fetching red envelope? They shred just the same, main course and dessert as we get ours in English and Welsh. Now aren't we lucky bunnies?
I get a lot of assumptions made about me too, as a woman I'm always assumed to be married, pregnant, anorexic and of low intelligence!
As you rightly say - not everyone is the same as these failures in life!
@@beccabbea2511 You mean you get more paper? Ah well then - more bum fodder, lol.
@@LittleKitty22 They are all relatives of Putin and Lavrov
I have never been sent a letter from tesco saying I have to pay for dog food if I a, have a dog b, take dog food from their shop and because it is possible I could have a dog and it is possible I can hide a dog that thet will send someone over to go through my cupboards and finance records.
"1 in 8 people...did actually need a licence". An interesting way of expressing that 7 out of 8 (88%) of their visits are a waste of time...
Absolutiamente!
I have a car that will do 155mph but I don’t get the old bill knocking on my door asking if I’ve been doing that speed! If I have they have to prove it! That is the same with the tv licence surely. The goons can fook right off!
In over 12 years, I've not made a single NLN declaration.
Indeed, I've not communicated with them at all.
I've not made one for 25 yr ish. There is no law that says you have to .
Just throw the letters in the bin, simple.
I just look through the peep hole and don't answer the door to anyone holding a clipboard or something. They can knock all they like.If there is something a want to buy,I wouldn't wait for a salesman to come knocking to sell it to me.
DO NOT SIGN ANYTHING !
Without your signature of admission, they have no power...
Even a contract with the Devil, requires a signature....
And the devil also needs an invitation to enter one's home in order to do harm, he can't come in with no invitation - just like these goons...
He also has to warn his victims of what he is going to do to them (to create fear) - just like these goons...
The similarities are shocking!
When you fill out the no licence form online you don't sign anything.IF they get a search warrant they do have a power of entry.
I much prefer to ignore these letters and any goons if they want to show up at my door, basically I enjoy giving them the run around because they choose threats over decent polite contact.
That's exactly how I deal with it. I find their letters of desperation funny.
I send the letters back... stating that the occupier dose not live at this address.
@@michaelwarner4323 I think that only serves to confirm your address is live. I wouldn't even put myself out to return it.
Only recently discovered your channel, but I ditched my licence many years ago. I've always been aware of the information you give out but still watching and liking your vids to help boost you in the algorithm. I do this because I encounter so many people that feel intimidated by their tactics and believe their lies. I'm recommending your channel to these people every time I get the chance. You're doing good work here, Jon, keep it up.
Love these breakdowns and the reassurance you give to us. Thank you.
Terrible idea to fill out a form, giving data, to say you don't want a service. Never do that.
Correct. It's the first step for them.
I in 8 visits resulting in a TV licence required means 7 out of 8 were a waste of time and money.
This should be an offence of harassment with menaces
It would be if it were you sending the letters
Send it to your MP with a letter of complain of harrasment and causing you anxiety. You are after all a vote for your MP. 😁
Your MP fully supports BBC Tvl harrasment
I filled out the ‘no license needed’ thing a few months ago, then not long ago they appear to have lost my details, as I kept getting the standard chasers addressed to the ‘legal occupier’. Plonkers.
They do it in order to gloat about the fact that they can waste other people's money with impunity.
Always wondered how these letters are not classed as harassment or illegal in the eyes of the law.
Because it is a Tax, Calling it a Licence is a False Representation for donkeys years.... on their behalf, Making it illegal by law or USA law most of all.....
@@imello1137 it's a subscription. I don't subscribe, so I don't pay. Their sales letters end up in the bin and have done for years.
I used to have a licence and was obviously on the system. When I didn't renew I got the usual repeating circle of letters in my name. They eventually sent the goon round but instead of confirming my name I just told him that the old people had moved out and I was a workman doing the place up to be rented out. I now just get the letters addressed to "The Occupier" so that's even better now 👍
Hahahah and because they aren't law enforcement they can't get you on providing false information crap like police will
Well the 3rd March came and went but no 'licence inspector'!
I noticed in new letters they have changed enforcement officer to "Officer" just to give that hint of legality, isn't there laws about trying to impersonate police in person or correspondence?
I cancelled my TV licence a month ago and I got a letter saying they might still visit my property. I don't know if they come as I'm always at work or out somewhere lol.
Visiting your property is one thing. letting them into your property is another and speaking to them is yet another. The first, you can do nothing about but the other two? just don't.
i put this is private property if u trespass to sell or so it be $500 to enter $500 ring or knock & etc near the middle lawyer fee $15,000+ with court cost of $20,000 or more with stuff u own
I get a letter every month from these idiots, some threatening, all are harrasment. At least a dozen times they have threatened me with a visit, still havent had one. But when I first cancelled I wrote to them, so they knew who I was and why, since then they have forgotten my name and simply refer to me as the occupier. Now door to door sales men are one thing, but threatening letters should be illegal. I bin all of them, they are best treated that way. If one of these clowns turn up, just treat them like any other cold caller, say no thanks, and close the door.
Absolutely right 👍
In local supermarket had police presence giving out support docs etc, so I asked for a notice for the door No cold calling, If they do turn up I will just point to it , there's a number to ring if they don't go away 😅
I wonder if mailing their letters back into a postbox to be re-delivered would create an additional postage charge to TVL?
If it does, then we should all repost their letters as many times as we can to bankrupt them!
Yes it does but dont send them back immediately. I believe they do have a couple of days grace before RM bills them so wait a days before doing so.
I have over 200 to 'return to sender'.
I have saved them as evidence, and
they are photographically recorded.
Never opened any.
Any link as to the cost incurred to tvl
would be appreciated. Drawn a blank
so far. I plan returning them one at a
time between now and 2027.
If we the General public wrote a threatening letter which this is, the victim could get something done about, but a big company does it and we are suppose to let it go, what a lovely country Britain has become
Had these letters, PMSL and did I contact them DIFand as they are agents of the BBC I invite them onto the property and shout the dogs and they run the other way; their letters are always addressed to The Occupier and nobody with that name living here and not had a license for over a decade.
after hearing them say "TV licence" I'd say "hi Mr/miss/Mrs etc salesman, not interested, goodbye!" And close the door while filming it of course
I don’t bother to even open this ‘letters.’ They help to keep my open fire going and they send me that fuel for free.
Thanks Jon. I'm sometimes a tad curious as to what was inside those envelopes. I haven't opened one for a good 8 years now and can freely say that my recycling bin has no problem excepting them.
I have recently seen Google adverts appearing in some website advertising to buy TV licencing
Hi ChilliJon, we have had a licence in the past at this address, however we decided not renew when we went to non-live TV. We only get letters addressed to to 'The Occupier' now. We have no intention of telling we don't need a licence again as it states in their letters that 'they will still need to investigate' so what on earth is the point if they don't believe us? I would rather just shred the things. If they want to waste their money that's their option, at least they are not wasting mine.
The important figure is the number of households not paying a TV licence fee. How many of them have actually declared they do not need a licence is a minor detail and can be information useful only to Crapita. I won't be renewing my declaration when it expires quite soon and will simply ignore their letters and anybody they decide to send round. Letters and visits, of course, add to Crapita's costs and I won't be losing any sleep over that either.
had 2 red envelopes and countless threats of investigations for 2 years now, the law is all wrong when i can not sue them for harassment !!!!!
Have you tried to sue them?
Non contact with them is the only way to go.
When I was declaring I did not need a licence (and legitimately did not according to the rules) the BBC were sending "reminders" that I did not have a licence, so should tell them I still don't, about every 2-3 months, and if I did that, they would not pester me again for 2 years, except even if I did they would "remind me" again 2-3 months later, so eventually I just started ignoring them.
After about another 2 years, the letters started being addressed to "the occupier" rather than me by name.
it has been about 4 years since I started ignoring them, and no visit yet.
Thanks for head up. I'm probably due one of these soon even though I've been hassled non stop since I told them I no longer need a licence, nearly two years ago! I shall ignore this one like all the rest, and I won't be confirming that I still don't need a licence because....what's the point????
Was that a goon beeping his horn in the car outside waiting to pounce? 😂
I'd like to know what makes them naturally assume you need a TV licence in the first place? How can they ever prove you need one? If you don't watch the BBC, iPlayer, or any other live TV channels, what does it take to prove this? If they claim you do need one, and you say you do not, isn't it simply a case of your word against theirs? Time wasters!
6 years ago when I cancelled my TV license they said I wouldn't hear from them for 2 years, they then said I need to renew the "No license needed form. I just told them they can threaten and send all the letters they want, the only way that I would contact them again was if I decided to watch TV again and I would then buy a license. Which will never happen. Had so many threats that I was going to have a visit but has never happened, yet.
I had this letter too. Ignored it since I didn't like the threatening tone it had. The next letter I got last week basically says the same stuff except it now has the property down as 'Unlicensed'.
That's gone in the bin too :p
I did let them know that I no longer needed a licence, and indeed had a refund. Since then, regular letters, which went straight to recycling. I have now had enough, so obscure my address, and post them back, with no stamp. This will continue indefinately.
You don't have to provide a name when you declare no licence needed. Mine was due for renewal last month and all that the online form asks is the address and an email address to send the comfirmation to. I move home in two weeks time and I've not decided yet if I'm going to declare or just ignore them at the new address.
I've filled them in as well 2 or 3 times. But I'm moving in a few weeks and I'm definitely not declaring i don't need a licence ever again. I don't need one and it's none of their business.
@@margaretblack8538 I'm with you on this, that's exactly my thoughts. Why should we tell them anything, not like we tell other providers we don't need or want their services.
@@DARTraderMediaProductions • I totally agree, no company would get away with their tactics in this day and age. It's so ridiculous, I feel sorry for people older than me who feel frightened and intimidated. I've had an odd letter come through when I've had a declaration in place, but I'm not filling one in for the rest of my life. They can send this 'Occupier' as many as they want. Enjoy your new home as I will. 😊
@@margaretblack8538 Many thanks and the best of luck with your move too.
@@DARTraderMediaProductions • Thank you. 😊
Thank you for your videos. I have just cancelled my tv licence and it feels good
I informed these scum I dont need a licence years ago, yet still get harrassing letters with "unlicenced" at the top. I ignore them, and dare them to send someone round. I know my rights and as I dont watch tv, I will give them the mouthful they deserve. Still waiting 😆
My wife and I both declared we didnt need a licence so now we get letters addressed to the legal occupier.
I have just cancelled my TV licence and received a refund, so they've accepted my declaration that I no longer watch TV.
I got a threatening letter dated before the refund arrived!
We responded to 2 letters telling them why we no longer needed a licence. They still sent their so called heavies round and I said this is harassment as I've been corresponding with you and they still started to ask questions so I said, are you still harassing me? They then went.
Iv not had a license for many years because I don't have a TV (nor would I watch the BBC tripe if I did!) and I got a similar letter some years back. I filled out the "No License Needed" form online (again) and there was a comments section to add "Further Information". So I did add some information, explaining that if they wanted me to get in touch with them so badly my fees were £35 per hour (or any part of an hour) and any and all further communication from them would be charged at the same rate.
Iv not had a letter since.
Hi all, I have declared my address no licence needed over the phone, I politely declined when they asked my name, but they do have my address. I made sure to repeatedly tell them how threatening their letters are and that I'm informing them that further communication will be considered harassment and that I was recording my phone call with them as they are with me. I have unsurprisingly heard nothing further.
Any goons on here can answer this question why don't they call at Gypsy sites ?,,,,
i have not watched tv for 40 years i have declared i dont need one ,every month i get these letter to find that they have stopped my declartion of not needing one and i have to do it all again, or do i just keep my emails for proof of doing it. for the last 2 years been going on since i moved from middle of nowhere to a town, there just threating letters its harassment, because i have Autisum its driving me mad and find myself re declaring every month even before i get the letter so ill now see i i still get a letter this month. im now going to ignor everything.
My answer to any License Goon , would be I’ve got Milk in the fridge but Defra haven’t called to see if I’m running a Dairy , BBC complete sham
I received the same letter. It was the second of two I've received so far since I took the decision to not renew my "no license needed" declaration. They know my name now for obvious reasons but this doesn't bother me. I'm mostly curious about what they'll actually do, which is why I chose not to renew. It's been a couple of months now and I haven't received anything since I received the same letter featured in this video. I sent both in to chilli and if I receive any more, I'll be sure to send them in. Great video, keep it up!
Here's one for you folks, I got a letter about an "Enforcement visit" to of which I replied on their letter "Please do come and bring guns, as you will need them" we are now four years down the line and Im still waiting for my visit.🤣
TV licence letters=emergency toilet paper (just wet it for comfort)
Done nln declaration with false name and email address under Jim saville and got email confirming nln for 2 years
I was wondering when you was gonna make a video of my letter, lmao
I'm still waiting for Capita to turn up, had no letters since. I won't be renewing it as it is costing them money to do this. Sucks to be capita.
I don't open mine. Unsolicited mail, return to sender.
Thanks mate, I needed this
Put it straight in the bin .
The thing that annoys me most about these letters is their blatant disregard for the law. Is it, or is it not, a fact that the law in this country works on the presumption of innocence and you have to be proven guilty of a crime in a court of law? These letters always seem to assume the exact opposite and they are expecting you to prove you are not doing something (i.e. watching live television or using the accursed iPlayer) rather than the onus being on them to prove that you are doing these things.
Nevertheless, I recently completed my third "no licence needed" declaration (by email) so I am legally licence free - whatever that may actually mean.
The video 'Don't Be Pressured! An Awful Case of Guilty' by Black Belt Barrister is worth a watch. shows the level these goons will sink to.
The no licence needed thing, that's a date they can backdate too if catch you surely and your name and stuff a big piece of there puzzle.
I "neglected" to renew my NL form after it expired and they've been sending me letters for the last 6 months, slowly ratcheting up the fear factor.. frankly im bored of waiting for the goon to visit already. Get on with it!
About time we started to threatin the TV license people instead of them threating use all the time
Jon you don’t need to give your details when doing a No Licence Needed Exemption. Your name can be left blank. You only have to give them an email address - this should be an an anonymous email address or alias that doesn’t contain your name. It’s easy to create an additional email address or alias in most existing email accounts, or you can just sign up for a free one. If you’re an Apple user you can generate an alias with the Hide My Email feature built into the operating system. I’ve done No Licence Needed Exemptions successfully many times now for myself and family members for years, and it’s still worth doing, because it normally stops all contact for up to 2 years.
Don’t contact them and bin the letters. Don’t declare anything. You don’t write to sky, electric companies, coda phone or anyone else telling them you don’t need their service. When they come around shut the door. It makes no difference to declaring to prevent a door knock as they state that they will send someone around to check you TV anyway.
1 in 8 needed a licence. Wasn't it recently 1 in 10 or 1 in 12 ? I guess they just pluck figures out of the air. I phoned to cancel just before Xmas and haven't had a visit so far, but did get a threatening letter shortly after I cancelled.
Took them exactly 6 months to send an "officer" here after I cancelled. That visit was 10 months ago. The letters quieted down a bit after the visit, but a year after the cancelation they were back up to full force, one every two weeks, with escalating threats, so I'm now gripped with excitement and salivating at the prospect of repelling these vile boarders once again.
Send the letters back, no stamp needed 😉👍
That letter is complete rubbish and a threat . Straight in the shredder.
Just wanted to say thanks for you fun and interesting videos.
Why are the letters not deemed extortion? What other company does that? Why can’t all companies do that?
"We'll also continue writing to you."
That'll save me a few quid on bog roll. 😁
Cheers good video.
is there not a notice you can stick to your door saying "no tv licence required at this address", similar to the no cold callers notices some people have on their front doors
I’ve received a slight variation on this letter, even though I have a year left on my NLN declaration
I just received the same letter today actually. This people are disgrace they should be the one who get prosecuted from scaremongering the public
Brilliant as always 👌 👏
The no licence needed form doesn't require your details. It only requires your address and an email address (which you can just put a random email address in for).
They already know your address based on them sending a letter. The only information you're giving really is that the house is now occupied, but ultimately they'll find that out from a visit eventually anyway.
It really makes no sense. You have until this date to tell us you don't need a licence, or you will be treated as unlicensed... How about leave me alone and I'll tell you if I need a licence.
I put a date of 2050 that I MAY need a review . See how that pans out. However I don't talk to anyone at my door, nor do I intend to.
I’m sure the visit will result in an individual waking up naked on the grass opposite my house
isn’t there some sort of “conduct authority” who can shame theses people? There’s something wrong if there is no protection from this bullying type of treatment. If it was anyone else they’d be in serious hot water.
Just think how much they could reduce the price of the TV licence without all there nasty letters 🤔🙄😡😂
They've given me a nice personal code. 😂😂
Anyone apart from myself, has anyone received an email from BBC iPlayer informing that the account has not been used in over a year so they are deleting it 🤣😂😆I have saved it.
Yes My Husband
@@debbieporter8610 Fantastic ! I could not believe my eyes when I read it 😮🤣
Thanks Chilli just paid my licence fee yesterday all of £0.00
It's total harassment, I'm still getting them, and I told them I didn't need one, although I've never had a 'notice of expiry '. Yet'
I have two police STOP no sales person etc, so why do they knock on my door?
I just point them to the sticker and tell them to leave.
I recently received one of these letters.... only 10 months after completing a no licence needed declaration (NLND). The letter even included the detail that there was over a year left on my current NLND! As I recall, there was a claim that they were checking in case I had moved home(?!!). Rightly or wrongly, I begrudgingly completed the NLND again, so should now have a further 2 years... not that I have much trust in that being the case.
shred the letters. Put it in an unstamped envelope and return to TVL Darlington. They then pay.
last year i renewed the no licence required declaration and they said i might get a visit from them. send them out if it makes you feel better but as i don't own a tv or watch bbc iplayer which means i don't have any contract with them and they would be wasting everyones time. not had a letter for months.
If they send a goon - IF - don't answer the door. You are not under any obligation to answer the door to a stranger! No one can break your door down apart from cops and they need a bloody good reason to break anyone's door down.
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Jon filling in the online form you DO NOT need to tell them your name, just the Address, and an email.( make one up if you want to it does not matter.) Form filled in. They still do not have your name, but the address is classed as no licence needed.
Has anyone sued them for harassment?
"Knock knock"
"Who's there?"
"Nee hee! Yang tong iddle eye fo! Nicotine-stained shirt-tails! Shut up Eccles!"
"Ignore them, it's just the Goons again."
I heard a beep.. im guessing its one of the detector vans out to get you lol