On one hand, I can genuinely believe that the people in charge of the show believe in the messages they're trying to put out, it's just unfortunate that literally the only way to spread that message is to work with the type of people they're criticizing. Basically the Starlight situation. Trying to do as much good as you can even if you're working with people who don't share those intentions. But on the other hand, the fact that Amazon can approve of an anti-corporate message is indicative of the fact that they know they can spin that message for profit, which they are. The real question to consider is whether all this does more harm than good.
The Deep wasn't get kicked out of the seven because he sexually harassed Starlight, he was kicked out because people found out about it and Seven had to recover public trust and image.
It’s almost a perfect mirror image of what happens in Hollywood. A monster is initially exposed, no one in Hollywood says anything at first, then more and more people come out with similar accounts, then a bunch of people in the industry try to “disprove” the rumors, then more and more people come out after that. Eventually, the outpour of accounts is just too heavy for the lie to hold and they’re ousted from the industry. People then forget about all of the people who defended the culprit and life continues on as normal until the next big person is ousted.
My whole take on the Boys doing all these different things summarized: "Corporations do not give a fuck about you or your politics. They give a fuck about their bottom line. And if their bottom line is Virtue Signalling to the current dominant political theater? Then by god they are gonna play it up as long as it's popular."
pretty much. people complain about 'woke' corporations but that's just a sign of the broadest appeal. if the broadest appeal was lynching minorities corporations would be singing from the rooftops about trees and rope
The problem with that critique is the people in those corporations really do believe the bs and drink the kool aide, they do the progressive cancer thing even if it negatively effects their bottom lines “go woke, go broke,”
The way the show shows how cooperations uses LGBT+ members for profit was SPOT ON. I laughted so hard at the line "You can't be proud on an empty stomach"
Same. I remember that one scene where they show Queen Mave and her ex-girlfriend the designs for their outfits and they say that one of them had to wear more masculine clothing since they were trying to paint their relationship in a more hetero-normative picture. It shows that a lot of big companies like Vought don’t really care about representation or being progressive but rather it’s all just a plastic facade they put up for the sake of boosting their image among the media.
@Schlomo Goldensteinberg lol what r u even talking about dude? how would your children be foreigners here?? Also i think ur a bit ignorant to the millions of people in the U.S. (black people, other POC, and LGBTQ+ folk) that ARE right now treated as "foreigners" in this country. There are people that have less access to food, healthcare, and opportunity than the majority of straight white people who get to live their lives never worring about things like discrimination and being outcasted. Most people just want to provide for themselves and their families. I dont think we"re on the wrong side here man but the enemy is not "the left" the enemies are those who wish to exploit us and take our individual liberties away. (i.e. corporations, politicians ) we are all just people, doing whats right is making sure EVERYONES children get to grow up in a better world not just our own. Thats what people like BLM and antifa and most on the left fight for. Its good to think about your own children for sure, but that is a purely selfish desire to harm others so your kids can be happy/safe. I would love to have kids one day, but if they cant grow up in a free and safe world than my soul will be crushed.
@@TimberWulfIsHere how?!?! please please tell me how minorities are worshipped when they trend higher death rates, imprisonment, and poverty rates? are you looking @ real facts or r u watching fox news lol??
I think there is a huge amount of irony that this show is made by Amazon and that a large amount of the videos about the boys was sponsored by Amazon as well.
@@escapefromtibet2530 Less likely. I mean, they might find a benefit to having a show like this but the origins of the show almost certainly didn't come out of their PR department but from the minds of the Producers. The producers have the message and it is likely an honest one.
The motif of Homelander solemnly saying “You’re the real heroes.” Is so brilliant because, in addition to virtue-signaling using patriotism and Americana, he’s exploiting our ego and desire for undeserved praise. Even though the adulation Homelander receives is just as undeserved because he was created in a lab. His abilities were given to him and could’ve been given to someone else had Vought chosen to experiment on a different woman. It’s subtle elements like that line that make The Boys such a great show.
@@kynikersolon3882 Factors in the mother like nutrition, stress level, and exposure to extreme temperatures can have significant influences on development of fetuses.
The other funny thing is that when you look at that phrase in a literal sense, Homelander is implying that he is a fake hero. " _You_ are the real heroes. (Because I'm sure as hell not)"
By that exact logic though, DC comics Superman is also not a real hero. Superman is just a random man from the planet Krypton who gets superpowers under Earth's yellow sun. The planet Krypton orbited under a red sun. Every single Kryptonian that ever existed could have gotten superpowers and become a superhero if they had come to Earth. Also by DC comics universe logic, any human from Earth could become a superhero if they went to a planet with a blue sun. (In one DC comic that actually happened when Superman's adopted dad Johnathan Kent went to a planet with a blue sun and temporarily got Superman like superpowers.) I agree with your main point though. Homelander is only loved and respected because he has superpowers and because he lies about fighting to defend America, not because of anything he actually did. Also I also think it's true that many people really do enjoy and appreciate empty compliments.
For those curious. Matthew 6:2: So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full.
IMHO christians forget this when they say "Why aren't there any Atheist charities?" as if they're being clever. There are, they just don't usually make a big deal out of it (and because of the discrimination we face, there are already instances of our help refusing to be acknowledged).
@@MrSmithers Maybe he's a kid. In which case you come across rather poorly. Or he's someone who spends time with his family, which again makes you come across poorly.
@@MrSmithers The first season I binged by myself, then I told my mom that she would like it, she watched the first season, then her and I watched the second season together
Yeah, that scene in Endgame irked me. Like, she just took down and entire massive space battleship single handedly, but now she needs help traveling across maybe a kilometer of terrain filled with enemies she could vaporize with a blink?
Imagine if instead they had scarlet witch take down the ship, She is one of the most powerful Avengers and if instead you showed her tearing apart Thanoses troops but having to change direction and use her powers to tare that ship down instead severely weakening her temporarily so the rest of the team had to pick up the slack.
@@Ramsey276one Ah yes plot to shoehorn one of the most unlikable characters to push an agenda. There was a reason to put Captain Marvel right before Endgame even though you could have probably removed her from Endgame because of how insignificant of a role she had in the movie.
@@kosmosXcannon I always say that to people who point to the box office numbers about Captain Marvel. They released it like literally 2 or 3 weeks before the highest grossing movie in history and said "you have to watch this movie to fully understand Endgame". If they did that with Pink Panther then it would've hit $1B
To be fair, Wanda was the most powerful one in that shot. Thanos smacks around Danvers, and barely registers her photon blasts, but he had to activate an emergency bombardment because Wanda was about to singlehandedly kill him and he couldn't do a thing about it. Also, Wanda is the far more interesting character. We see her face adversity and loss repeatedly and keep rising above it, and developing. With Captain Marvel we get "Oh look, this woman is super powerful, and a woman! Look how bad ass and self assured she is! And she's a woman! And now she's even more powerful! Have we mentioned she's a woman?" We're told she's struggled against adversity all of her life, but never really shown it in a meaningful way. I can't remember who did it, but there was a video that broke down how they could have re-edited that film to make her story much more interesting and actually shown her growth. But as presented, we had a movie that broke one of the cardinal rules of telling a good story, Show, Don't Tell. Given her power levels in the comics, I hope they aren't as ham fisted with Monica Rambeau/Spectrum. It would be far too easy to fall into the same trap, except this time it would be "Look how powerful she is, and she's a Black Woman!", especially after the passing of Chadwick Boseman meaning they have to re-examine any plans for Black Panther and Wakanda. Yes, I'm being cynical but I can easily see a suit in an office saying "we lost the original black headliner, let's push Spectrum into production to make sure we hold on to that demographic" (If they really feel the need to do that sort of virtue signaling, and make sure they have a black lead for a movie to push forward right away, Sam becoming Cap would be best and feel the most natural) With both Tony and Steve gone, if they do a Spectrum movie it should be building her up and ending with her being the new leader of the Avengers (which she was for a while in the comics), or at the least setting that up for her next appearance.
Sounds like a quote about sin, as peddled by religion, as best as I can remember, "It's a made up poison created to sell a made up cure". Something like that
Very true and insightful. Stormfront tiles people up about a nonexistent threat so Vought can sell the heroes who will eliminate it. Happens in real world politics a lot.
Pretty sure it's an analogy to the military industrial complex, or our various wars in the middle east. Funding terrorist groups to destabilize/overthrow leftist leaders who won't give up their nation's resources and labor for cheap to US corporations. Having those same terrorist groups funded and trained by the CIA attack the USA to bring the country together so we can justify a war for that sweet sweet oil.
Ngl I laughed my ass off when I saw the "Me and the squad on our way to respect Stormfront" meme in the show. Whoever made the memes for this show made them too realistic
They actually took them right from the Facebook group pages, these memes seem very legitimate because they are. They're fairly active with their community online.
What’s kind of sad is that so many people don’t even see the not so subtle subtext sprinkled into the boys. Like there are actually people who unironically like Homelander because he’s “honest and funny”.
Meanwhile if Homelander were in the world of The Watchmen, those same people would drag him to the fire and burn him alive for being a "superhero" in the first place.
@deannal.newton9772 not really, the show is arguing by making people in the audience find Homelander "relatable" that people irl side with people like Homelander blindly because of their own bigotism.
No, we get that Homelander is portrayed as the bad guy. We just like him anyway because he is honest and funny, and we agree with him. Just because he's "supposed" to be the villain doesn't mean I have to interpret him that way.
@@actualturtle2421You agree that some people are inherently better than others? You also have daddy issues? Or where exactly do you think that he's right?
I love the character, but not because of that. I love the character because he's the epitome of what America truly is. It's a pretty face covering up the atrocities committed. Germany made a lot of mistakes, but at least they admitted their faults.
Disney is a prime example of real virtue signaling. Great example, the kiss between the two women in Episode 9 of star wars was censored out in many countries. But sure, Disney *definitely* cares about the LGBT community, totally. I want to also point out in that End Game scene it's entirely undermined by the fact the women failed. It kinda cheapens the entire thing.
@@mccaylawhite8900 it's about equality on paper, but in practice most of the people supporting it are just using the equality bit to justify their own racism towards whites. Just look at Yusra Khogali.
Lol, the amount of actual Nazis is very low, despite that lefties are still scared of them. Instead they go after "Nazis" a.k.a people who didn't like the new Star Wars trilogy for example
@@MrValarMorgoth yeah the amount of actual nazis is very low but the amount of people who believe in what the Nazis believed but don't like the word Nazis is very high..
@@stannyb3346 when even the slightest form of discourse is considered as a Nazi believe then yeah, those numbers are indeed high.. just because someone doesn't agree with your policy that doesn't automatically make him a Nazi
Can't believe I've never heard of this show before. That part about the public perception of the 'right kind of lesbian' is dead on. I've heard so often that a woman can or can't be a lesbian based on their looks because their only perception of one is from media. It shows even when media is like, here, we're representing you, they do it in a way that says there's a right way to be gay, or even straight or a minority, etc.
Seeing Homelander literally losing his shit by scrolling through memes is the best Superhero media I've seen in my entire life. Threatening but hilarious.
My favourite moment from S2 was when Stormfront was saying to the kid about 'white genocide' and even Homelander made a face like 'umm I'm not sure about that one' 😅
I laughed so hard when people said this show was going too woke. This show is in fact actively mocking virtue signaling, tokenism, and other forms of fake progressivism. While at the same time showing that its not just one side of the political aisle doing this shit.
@@jackpackage4278 It doesn't really roast both sides tho, if you watch the show you can tell that Homelander and his followers are a direct representation of everything wrong with the US today. The virtue signaling doesn't target left wing politics, it targets companies that pretend to be progressive but in reality couldn't care less and only care about their public image and profit.
When I first saw it I was like what was the coincidence that all these women just came together on their own like that and it pulled me right out of my immersion
I groaned out loud at that Endgame scene. Mainly because BARELY ANY OF THOSE CHARACTERS INTERACTED WITH EACH OTHER UNTIL THAT POINT. All the male Avengers and even male side characters had these powerful bonding moments throughout the franchise, I guess the ladies all made friends off screen?
@@jellyfishi_ It just didn't fit. You have someone like Captain Marvel that could solo Thanos and demolish his football field sized space ship in two blows and then put her side by side with Okoye who is armed with nothing but a spear. Now I could make the same comparison with Captain America and Thor, but Thor is the heavy hitter of the team while Captain America is the leadership and ideological center. Okoye could never be like Captain America because she already has prior loyalties to the Isolationist Wakanda while Captain Marvel has shown regard to submitting herself under a governing other than being superhero. Marvel can't just put a bunch of women together and say "Girl Power!" if it doesn't make any sense.
It was off that Pepper had a suit. Through t out the mcu she was either telling Tony to not where the suit or they broke up because of him being iron man. Also it was unnecessary not cu the forced female heroes in one shot but because carol was able ri defeat the army without their help
Theres no bonding moment in civil war, age of ultron, or even Infinity War We’re told to just accept spider man was invited by Iron Man into the story and now peter is around I get people in this camp are biased but its just obvious
Well done. Reminds me of every June, when every company changes their social media pictures to rainbows, everywhere except their Middle Eastern branches.
Ha! Or the fact that Disney has rainbow merch, but is too cowardly to create a gay Disney princess or main character of their movie because they don’t want to scare away foreign audiences. But don’t worry guys, you can buy a rainbow Mickey shirt and be a walking advertisement, because progress! Woohoo!
@@sharontafoya2878 gotta be honest here, let's make character driven stories again. Idgaf whether the character in question believes in gay rights or even is a bigot. Just having a well written character that dosent change when the wind blows a new direction.
@@sharontafoya2878 yeah honestly we should just put the companies on blast for it. But most people very loudly about some stuff dont really care they just want to feel better about themselves and pull others down. Usually their actions just make it harder for those who they claim to help. But im not a fan of identity politics anyway, like that is only there to create a dived and hatred between groups were none is needed. So I'd personally not do any special months but just treat everyone equal all 365 or 366 days of the year.
It's kinda like the actual gay/lesbian community saying that bisexuals are "just confused" or "not committed to being gay". Gays and lesbians are more bigoted than the people they screech about on Twitter.
Because people often don't believe in what they are saying. Some LGBT pride crowd do not love freedom of sexuality, but love gay-ism or even hate straight people. It's like some radical feminists preach that men are so bad that women shouldn't be event talked to and all women should be lesbians. They are not for women rights , they want men to die (although calling themselves "feminists").
The worst thing is, corporations are stuck in a loop where they believe some opinions are popular simply because other corporations "believe in them", not knowing why they even do so in the first place.
Companies be like, “Wow guys we changed our logo to rainbow look how progressive we are, hahahahahaha don’t question why we still have slaves in China”
That scene with the young blind hero who got his ears destroyed by Homelander was the saddest, meanest and most cruel moment in the whole show. My opinion.
Yeah, but ironically Homelander was also right. The blind guy would have been terrible in a real fight. That's what makes him such a great villain. The best villains are the ones who are technically correct. The problem isn't that they're wrong. It's that they're evil.
@@gregcullers7883 Let's hope it never comes to that. Although, from what I've seen, the show has is very different from the comics, so maybe Billy will be able to make peace in the end.
I'd just like to say when I watch an episode of The Boys, I'm always amazed at how much story content they cram into 45min-1hr. It usually feels like the amount of content of 3 Marvel films.
The “authenticity signaling” concept needs to be hyped more. It tends to fly under the radar but in reality it’s just as annoying/harmful as virtue signaling is. It’s literally the same agenda-driven companies/people just selling themselves to consumers outside their normal target audience under the disguise of “I’m not like these popular girls, I’m real!” rhetoric.
I'm increasingly convinced I have some form of autism, as I find putting on any kind of act incredibly difficult. So it's interesting to me to see people who are constantly aware of their self-image. Sounds exhausting lol
If you imagine the prisoners dilemma with it being a team effort to virtue signal as a collective, like Vought did with the staged Troop Support, then storm front and her authenticity signaling was choosing to screw over everyone else to get a big bonus and hurt the others big at the same time.
You can look at it frkm tht point or you can look at it from another point Left uncheck people will start rumours of the company and will not buy the product if they believe its not worth the price So the company uses a spokesperson to educate consumers on the product. consumers are smart enough to see theough the bs but will hop on trend hating such as cancel culture
For the record, that L’Oreal model wasn’t speaking out against white supremacy. She caused outrage when she went on UK TV and claimed all white Brits to be racist.
6:55 The Bergdorf-L'Oréal issue is not necessarily a case of corporate hypocrisy. I don't know the details, but Bergdorf's "coming-out against White Supremacy" may have been executed so sloppily that Bergdorf deserved to be fired. Did she, e.g., employ "blanket" condemnations and call whole swathes of the populace "White Supremacists?" It is possible to have legitimate grounds for firing someone (or "ending a partnership") because of their sloppy / counterproductive support for a cause which is, in and of itself, praiseworthy.
I think this show was an incredibly cynical synopsis of the American superhero genre which aims to wrestle with some of our deepest societal struggles. While the show leaves most issues unresolved, it challenges the viewer to make an assessment of what they believe. Very excited to see where the series goes! Also this was a wonderful dissection of The Boys, you are a very thoughtful and intelligent RUclipsr. A rare thing in these times
My biggest issue with "she's got help" is that it was completely unearned. Litterally all but 1 of the female heroes in that scene were side characters from movies about men. If marvel wants to do a scene like that, that's fine! They just need to earn it first.
Its not meant to be an empowerment scene. Each character in that scene was from A-force and it was a reference to that comic and perhaps a future film/show. One of the most misunderstood scenes in film history.
@@cryojudgement2376 "Its not meant to be an empowerment scene. Each character in that scene was from A-force and it was a reference to that comic and perhaps a future film/show. One of the most misunderstood scenes in film history." Literally the first time I've heard or seen *anyone* say this, so, I guess it's not that well known a comic?? (I have little immersion into comics, so; honest confusion/ question here.) Also, I believe coming in off the tail of the "Assemble" scene would make it seem like it was going for an "empowerment" type of scene anyways, even if it *was* supposed to be an A-force reference. Then again; that's my own, comic ignorant, opinion ;)
@@ilovejettrooper5922 A-force is a woman's only division of the avengers. Its not as pandering as youd think or as it sounds. A-force is relatively new and it's an all female cast of A list female heros.
I wonder how far Amazon can go in commodifying anti-corporate (and even anti-capitalist and leftist) ideas before they actually oust themselves and antagonise their own consumers. Is there even a limit? Should we expect an adaptation of Das Kapital soon that we can all subscribe and watch for our fix of class consciousness, courtesy of Jeff Bezos?
Virtue signaling isnt necessarily a lazy argument, it is meant to be used so as to explain the contrived and deceptive intentions of people who do seemingly "virtuous" things. Their virtue is superficial and purely meant to further their own means
That scene in endgame was so unnecessary. Carol Danvers didn't even need anyones help. She could have flown through that on her own, the overpowered shit.
Fr tho.. She had just gotten through flying thru the hull of the ship and I imagine the walls of a spaceship are harder than the flesh of a horde of RageVirus infected and rabid monkeydogs
The superhero genre is a modern elaboration upon mythic fable tropes. It is rarely concerned with what is 'logical,' and never with what is 'necessary.' Its power comes from abstraction and estrangement. Try to look for what a scene means and represents, not how believably it plays out; start in on the story logic, and you're ice skating up a hill, Bud.
@@benmarton7849 Yes but it also relies on a willing suspension of disbelief. And It's hard to believe that in a critical moment like that, ONLY the females would be in that scene without some kind of setup from previous scenes. They could have even made it more organic by having females intercept while she's flying, but adding that group close up scene was just so unnecessary and distracted from its real purpose. Like that scene in The Boys when they beat up Stormfront, no team poses, no girls get it done, just a straight up brawl. It didn't pull you out of your suspension and kept you immersed in the fable. Which is kinda what people tend to complain about but can't articulate completely. It wasn't the girl power that was jarring, it was that it pulled them out of the story because it was clearly a pr scene.
@@kyoken8691 I understand your concern, but at this point, it's down to expectation, context, and buy-in. I certainly had no trouble willingly suspending any disbelief, and I'm a forty-eight year old man who has been reading superhero comics for well over three decades (and appreciating good cinema almost as long). I do know this: the roar that went up in the cinema was evidence enough for me that the moment worked, and my teenage daughter still smiles to remember it. I felt the joy, I felt the power, and I was really happy for every person who saw that moment for the wink at the audience it was and still let it in. 'The Boys,' on the other hand? Meh. It feels a far more cynical exercise to me. Because I don't buy in. The truth? 'The Boys' is what alienates me.
"People love what I have to say, they believe in it, they just don't like the word Nazi" As someone who got dragged down the alt right pipeline and pulled myself out before the point of no return this was one of the most horrifyingly true things I had ever heard.
@@ChaplainJoshuaJust because you are personally too stupid to grasp the concept doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It very obviously exists, seeing as many people have told their stories of getting out of it. It's very well documented too.
Homelander creating his own supervillains reminds me of the endless wars used to justify the military industrial complex. We must destroy the evil warlords created by the power vacuum that we created by bombing yet another country into a post-apocalyptic hellscape.
And sometimes the insurgent forces we're fighting are people we trained to fight for us in the last war. We trained Al-Queda to fight the commies in the 80's, then in the 00's when we were fighting them we trained some people who formed ISIS.
Do not downplay the roll of beliefs and ideology. For a time ISIS had its own magazine named Dabiq. It’s polish and and editing was on par with any Madison Avenue publication (at least it was until all the editors were killed). They published an article entitled “Why we hate you and why we fight you.” They list the reasons why with the first two being: “We hate you, first and foremost, because you are disbelievers; you reject the oneness of Allah - whether you realize it or not - by making partners for Him in worship, you blaspheme against Him, claiming that He has a son, you fabricate lies against His prophets and messengers, and you indulge in all manner of devilish practices. It is for this reason that we were commanded to openly declare our hatred for you and our enmity towards you. “There has already been for you an excellent example in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people, ‘Indeed, we are disassociated from you and from whatever you worship other than Allah. We have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred forever until you believe in Allah alone’” (Al-Mumtahanah 4). Furthermore, just as your disbelief is the primary reason we hate you, your disbelief is the primary reason we fight you, as we have been commanded to fight the disbelievers until they submit to the authority of Islam, either by becoming Muslims, or by paying jizyah - for those afforded this option - and living in humiliation under the rule of the Muslims. Thus, even if you were to stop fighting us, your best-case scenario in a state of war would be that we would suspend our attacks against you - if we deemed it necessary - in order to focus on the closer and more immediate threats, before eventually resuming our campaigns against you. Apart from the option of a temporary truce, this is the only likely scenario that would bring you fleeting respite from our attacks. So in the end, you cannot bring an indefinite halt to our war against you. At most, you could only delay it temporarily. “And fight them until there is no fitnah [paganism] and [until] the religion, all of it, is for Allah” (Al-Baqarah 193). We hate you because your secular, liberal societies permit the very things that Allah has prohibited while banning many of the things He has permitted, a matter that doesn’t concern you because you separate between religion and state, thereby granting supreme authority to your whims and desires via the legislators you vote into power. In doing so, you desire to rob Allah of His right to be obeyed and you wish to usurp that right for yourselves. “Legislation is not but for Allah” (Yusuf 40). Your secular liberalism has led you to tolerate and even support “gay rights,” to allow alcohol, drugs, fornication, gambling, and usury to become widespread, and to encourage the people to mock those who denounce these filthy sins and vices. As such, we wage war against you to stop you from spreading your disbelief and debauchery - your secularism and nationalism, your perverted liberal values, your Christianity and atheism - and all the depravity and corruption they entail.You’ve made it your mission to “liberate” Muslim societies; we’ve made it our mission to fight off your influence and protect mankind from your misguided concepts and your deviant way of life.” The author leaves the foreign policy of the U.S. and other western nations for the final bullet point. As if to make it any more insultingly clear the author goes on to follow up their listing with: “What’s important to understand here is that although some might argue that your foreign policies are the extent of what drives our hatred, this particular reason for hating you is secondary, hence the reason we addressed it at the end of the above list. The fact is, even if you were to stop bombing us, imprisoning us, torturing us, vilifying us, and usurping our lands, we would continue to hate you because our primary reason for hating you will not cease to exist until you embrace Islam. Even if you were to pay jizyah and live under the authority of Islam in humiliation, we would continue to hate you. No doubt, we would stop fighting you then as we would stop fighting any disbelievers who enter into a covenant with us, but we would not stop hating you.”
@@RaySquirrel yes but people with those ideologies were heavily armed and funded by USA, which is the point of what we are discussing. Specifically the USA's habitual patterns of funding violent ideological groups in any region with instability...
@@skysthelimitvideos I imagine that they will use her as a critique of the modern calls for elements of socialism as they don't really aim to change much in the grand scheme of things. AOC and Bernie Sanders are considered moderate leftists in many countries outside of the USA.
The way Marvel did the all women scene in Endgame I believe that was put best by my boyfriend: “why would all these heroes suddenly come together in the middle of battle?” Like drop everything and run to Captain Marvel
Not to mention the fact that most shows that introduce a bisexual character will never then show that character in a straight looking relationship ever again. It takes away from their LGBTQ clout
Lucky. California is only ever wheeled out as a boogeyman for the actually important states. I don’t remember the last time I saw a politician wanting to campaign here. Not even our own representative.
they are shitty useless pieces of shit who should NEVER be acknowledged at all. The state is completely unrepresentative of the country's population yet it is the one that gets to decide who will get past the primary meaning absolutely no Democrat left of Bush Sr. ever gets a chance because these piece of shit hick farmers are triggered by the C word even when it absolutely does not apply.
This is why logic is so important. It's easy to get away with injustice when all you have to do is appeal to emotions. Look out for people who are trying to undercut logic
Buddy, the conclusions you reach through logic are completely influenced by your biases and values. Logic isn't some omnipotent force. It's totally relative. Logic can lead to fascism just as easily as it can to some democratic utopia
It is so easy to handpick any set of logic you like to justify hatred. Data can be present in various ways and the world is not black and white. Ask yourself are you actually out to love our hate. Because when you have no mercy for others, you shall also receive none.
Yeah, almost everyone, at least online, does it. The right with things like virtue signalling and buzzwords like libtard, and the left by calling people nazi's etc. It's sad
A year ago calling Disney's a virtue signaler would get you called an incel. But after that fiasco with Mulan and concentration camps, people are more comfortable with the term. Let's face it. The term didn't come out of a vacuum. Companies deserve to get called out for their shits.
@NearLight what do you do when someone is calling your racist based on the color of your skin? You can't really engage with a baseless ad hominem argument. Maybe you can hope they will realize that they are demonstrating the bigotry they think they are against, but if one was that self-aware they would base their argument on a logical fallacy.
For those curious One of the most prominent sociologists who said "everything is a performance" is Erving Goffman, and he wrote a great book on this topic called "The Presentation of Self in Everyday Life". Its a good read
I thought that the fact that they put storefront in the Seven , knowing how she acts on social media, was a really funny move. Even sports companies like to have a select few that are a complete opposition to the company itself (while getting paid by them). It creates a realistic environment that gets people going about these characters.
You must be white. Surely. You clap when the plane lands? When the roller coaster is over? It's not a 1800s theater play. Clapping Is supposed to be for plays only basically. It's for a good performance. It's meant to be heard directly by the performers. To congratulate them. Nothing else. Which is why movie theater clappers are also wierd. The cast isn't there.
@@adameins5622 it was a slow clap because I recognised the cleverness. you must be white. surely. The college type that goes to plays and makes jokes about white stereotypes.
This is probably one of the best videos I've ever watched on Social Justice that doesn't attack it from an "alt-right" perspective. You got my respect for that.
@@BrianOblivionB It's the typical "They want to push gays and women in our face and make black people more privileged than us" See channels like The Critical Drinker, Geeks & Gamers or No Bullshit
@@joramsim I've never seen The Critical Drinker making comments like these although he is usually making ironic comments on identity politics being used as the only vehicle for films... and it's usually done in a humorous way.
This show really brings to light the danger and power of collectivism, when people structure their lives around a collective identity, like race or gender or religion, regardless if they do it through the lens of the left or the right, they set themselves up for manipulation.
The funniest thing about the show is the subtle messages such as sending certain supes to areas that they “trend well in” or the mentions of trending well with certain demographics.
The funniest scene on the entire show for me was when Stormfront is talking to the kid about white genocide and Homelander is there like "what the fuck, how did we get here" because apparently he was literally the last person to realize what dating with a nazi entails. Also his obssesion with drinking milk.
That's sort of because for him, the idea of white genocide(despite having expressed prejudicial sentiments on many occasions) is just as false as the flat earth theory. He thinks he's the A-game and that arguably the closing thing to an equal and family for him is this kid. Why teach him something unrelated to that that is also false?
You forgot to mention that The Church of the Collective is an obvious analogue for Scientology. The book The Deep holds is very much referencing "Dianetics", and those cheesy commercials that he's in are stylistically similar to those that Scientology produces. "The Boys" definitely explores themes related to how Scientology entwines itself with celebrity to advance its own agenda. Scientology produces a lot of media to try and create an image that it's doing good in the world - its own brand of virtue signaling.
Matthew 6:2 “So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full”
This is a great satire. It s self awareness of our politics, pop culture, consumerism and the whole superhero genre of both the DCEU and MCU in one. It s genius!
This is the internet. Social media and the cultural war (of which companies and organizations have a vested interest in) have made talkimg about this pretty much impossible. Which is kimd of a point as any commom ground amongst the people can lead to them either actually finding solutions to problems, rebelling aganist their ruler, or just doing an actual boycott that actually successful.
@@Xo-3130 I say it's solely due to recommendation algorithms and curated feeds. RUclips is the only site I'm still on that has one. Super retro sites that don't have this also don't seem have these ridiculous polarizations im my experience.
@@ayior Yeah remember back in the days when people just use the internet to shit post and have fun? That's what people do online when traffic wasn't throttled.
I miss arguments where everyone gets the piss taken out of them equally. Humans in general are often full of shit and need to be taken down a few pegs on a regular basis.
This analysis was not calm logic. It completely missed the aggressive over the top injection of lefty politics into the show, which is incredibly ironic given the subject matter.
Me: Man, this year sucks, time to watch some fun shows to escape reality. The show: uncomfortably correctly portraying the reality of late stage capitalism Me: Haha, I love fiction.
@Adam Stolar He likely just thought it was going to be a straightforwars parody of superhero movies. Like he could probably easily have guessed that the show would make fun of the fact that superheroes and supervillians would not exist unless they were created by a corporation. He could also have guessed that the superheroes could actually be jackasses while pretending to be noble hearted people. I doubt anyone could have expected beforehand how much this show would parody social media, especially since the Marvel and DC movies they're riffing on do not discuss real world issues that much.
This isn't capitalism, this is corporationism. Since the dawn of 21st century America is no longer a capitalist nation, its a corporationist nation. If the US was truly capitalist then its economy would look identical to the one they had in 40s, 50s or 60s (which is a large focus on small and medium businesses and huge ammounts of competition, also lots of government intervienience to depower large corporations and encourage small and medium businesses growth)
@@ridleyrickmanreduz2196 corporationism is the exact opposite of capitalism. Capitalism is an ideology thats agaist centralized power. Corporations are almost the definition of centralized power and lack of competition. This goes agaist every single belief of capitalism ever.
In America, where the show is made, produced and most importantly, SET, liberals are left wing, conservatives are right. This is a jab at American culture, so it would represent American politics and ideologies, including party spectrums.
Matthew 6:2: Therefore when you do merciful deeds, don’t sound a trumpet before yourself, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may get glory from men. Most certainly I tell you, they have received their reward.
@@patrickrunyan4410 You'd probably enjoy the story of Daniel, he's basically this verse as a person. One thing I like about these biblical heroes a lot is that often, they're humble to the max unless they're like the anakin of the story (e.g. saul)
My two cents, based on this and the comic( I just heard there is a The Boys tv series) is that not only power but the desire of it corrupts, and fame is power.
That’s one of the things I love about this show it shows u just cuz someone looks like a hero or the good guy there’s so much behind the scenes u don’t see. On both sides of politics
How can you leave Stan Edgar's lunch with Billy Butcher out of this video when he says of Stormfronts Nazism "of course it bothers me, but it's not my concern that's a white man's game"
right! like if they mention how the boys touches on commodification of feminism and LGBTQ issues then he should've also mentioned that line and others which have been very impactful in explaining why other minorities like A-Train and Mr. Edgar would be a part of such a historically racist company like Vought and their crimes... the money.
@@mon_nobi its not just money, he can destroy the heroes with pr, he has the connections and etc, worst thing they can do is kill him, worst thing he can do is show society they are fakes...thats why he doesn't care, he can exact revenge he's not just a random they can hurt and get away with it. Afterall they had no issues abandoning a plane of ppl to die. Why? Cause they can spin the story, Deadman tell no tales, but a man with influence does post death. Dead man's switch
Tearing down the white patriarchy is forgotten when each group feels their cause has been neglected. "They got their share, fine whatever, but my people have been neglected for too long!"
@@117Ender not exactly sure what you're talking about here or who the "he" is that you're referring to, but i'm talking about a reason why Black men like A-Train and Mr. Edgar would work for a company that they know is racist like Vought. It's mostly just money.
15:18 if anyone is wondering what Jesus said in Matthew 6:2, it's: So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full.
“Virtue signaling” is just the modern name for something that’s been going on a very long time. I was born disabled, and when I was a little kid and would see another kid in a wheelchair on Sesame Street or wherever, it was always as part of a group of other kids, and they’d never focus on the wheelie kid or have them speak. Even at that young age, I remember thinking “Wait, why are they showing a kid in a wheelchair? They never show kids in wheelchairs. Oooh, they’re just trying to make themselves look good by acting like they care about wheelchair kids.”
@@ErikGauthierDrums I'm not saying it looked fakeor bad, which it actually looked, even if it's a animatronic, but the scene is only there so Butch can say: "That was diabolical", just like the laser beam eye kid from S1.
@@MaxIronsThird is the show not allowed to have comedy? It was also a good scene because it shows how bad the Deep actually is at being a superhero. He tries so hard to impress Homelander but in the end he screws up. It reinforces his own self doubt while also being a comedic gag that doesn’t detract from his character but is actuallt consistent with it.
@@nicolaiveliki1409 do you do it because you don't care, or because you want the other people in the elevator to perceive you as someone who doesn't care
The Persona series actually makes me think about this issue in a really interesting way. The metaverse in the world of Persona contains "shadows," in the very Jungian sense, which is the part of you that you don't acknowledge. That could be said to be the thing you are hiding by performing virtue. In this way, virtue is an action and not necessarily an essence. And the people who turn evil are the people who are, in a literal sense, refusing to acknowledge the parts of themselves they don't like because they're bad, dangerous, etc. That allows the shadows to control the real person. But it's made explicitly clear that killing the shadow kills the person, so that's not the solution to becoming better. The heroes become powerful not by destroying their shadows, but by listening to them and making agreements with them. So the strongest people are those who can acknowledge the good and bad parts of themselves and not hide them from the world. I like that interpretation, I think it can be helpful in thinking about how to be a better person.
“So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full." Matthew 6:2 Although Matthew 6:1 is better fit for making your point, Wisecrack: “Be careful not to practice your righteousness in front of others to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven." Wouldn't hurt you to actually quote the passage from the Bible.
To be fair most people don't actually read the New testament. If they did they'd realize two things rather quickly. 1) Jesus was a MASSIVE asshole who really only tolerated other people through perpetual disappointment and resignation. 2) He was also fucking right about pretty much everything.
I also found it stupid that all the marvel female heroes just managed to be in the same part of the battle field, as if there isn't something else they could be doing besides trying to help Captain Marvel with the gauntlet a character that can fly shoot energy blasts is strong and in my honest opinion can take most of that army solo she would need help with Thanos tho
The Deep didn't face any punishment for assaulting Starlight, did he? I thought he get sent for SENDING the shit out of a dolphin through his windshield. I'll have to go back lol
It's kind of ironic that an anti-corporate show is streamed on an amazon streaming service lmao
Then you didn't learn anything. That's the point, they don't care about the moral, the Boyz its popular enough
@@Joe-mz6ez That's basically what I meant to say, just didn't find the words lol
An irony I can appreciate.
On one hand, I can genuinely believe that the people in charge of the show believe in the messages they're trying to put out, it's just unfortunate that literally the only way to spread that message is to work with the type of people they're criticizing. Basically the Starlight situation. Trying to do as much good as you can even if you're working with people who don't share those intentions.
But on the other hand, the fact that Amazon can approve of an anti-corporate message is indicative of the fact that they know they can spin that message for profit, which they are.
The real question to consider is whether all this does more harm than good.
Capitalist realism intensifies
The Deep wasn't get kicked out of the seven because he sexually harassed Starlight, he was kicked out because people found out about it and Seven had to recover public trust and image.
*sexually assaulted
Assault. Coerced assault but def assault. Dick got wet meaning we’re well past harassment
Exactly
It’s almost a perfect mirror image of what happens in Hollywood.
A monster is initially exposed, no one in Hollywood says anything at first, then more and more people come out with similar accounts, then a bunch of people in the industry try to “disprove” the rumors, then more and more people come out after that. Eventually, the outpour of accounts is just too heavy for the lie to hold and they’re ousted from the industry. People then forget about all of the people who defended the culprit and life continues on as normal until the next big person is ousted.
Assaulted* he didn’t just harass her. He physically violated her.
My whole take on the Boys doing all these different things summarized: "Corporations do not give a fuck about you or your politics. They give a fuck about their bottom line. And if their bottom line is Virtue Signalling to the current dominant political theater? Then by god they are gonna play it up as long as it's popular."
pretty much. people complain about 'woke' corporations but that's just a sign of the broadest appeal. if the broadest appeal was lynching minorities corporations would be singing from the rooftops about trees and rope
I read this in Billy Butcher's voice in my head. It was fucking diabolical.
The problem with that critique is the people in those corporations really do believe the bs and drink the kool aide, they do the progressive cancer thing even if it negatively effects their bottom lines “go woke, go broke,”
Considering the corporate life support for "woke" failures, there may be actual conviction in the deluge of Neo-Progressive entertainment
Corporates are chad.
"Afraid of pedophiles? Grow up!"
Deep thoughts with the Deep
I mean, that does make sense though.
The way the show shows how cooperations uses LGBT+ members for profit was SPOT ON. I laughted so hard at the line "You can't be proud on an empty stomach"
Same. I remember that one scene where they show Queen Mave and her ex-girlfriend the designs for their outfits and they say that one of them had to wear more masculine clothing since they were trying to paint their relationship in a more hetero-normative picture. It shows that a lot of big companies like Vought don’t really care about representation or being progressive but rather it’s all just a plastic facade they put up for the sake of boosting their image among the media.
@Schlomo Goldensteinberg nice virtue signalling bud, does ur conservative daddy love you yet?
@Schlomo Goldensteinberg lol what r u even talking about dude? how would your children be foreigners here??
Also i think ur a bit ignorant to the millions of people in the U.S. (black people, other POC, and LGBTQ+ folk) that ARE right now treated as "foreigners" in this country. There are people that have less access to food, healthcare, and opportunity than the majority of straight white people who get to live their lives never worring about things like discrimination and being outcasted. Most people just want to provide for themselves and their families. I dont think we"re on the wrong side here man but the enemy is not "the left" the enemies are those who wish to exploit us and take our individual liberties away. (i.e. corporations, politicians )
we are all just people, doing whats right is making sure EVERYONES children get to grow up in a better world not just our own. Thats what people like BLM and antifa and most on the left fight for. Its good to think about your own children for sure, but that is a purely selfish desire to harm others so your kids can be happy/safe. I would love to have kids one day, but if they cant grow up in a free and safe world than my soul will be crushed.
@@nervaa no they ain't dude. Minorities are worshipped. Cut the shit.
@@TimberWulfIsHere how?!?! please please tell me how minorities are worshipped when they trend higher death rates, imprisonment, and poverty rates? are you looking @ real facts or r u watching fox news lol??
I think there is a huge amount of irony that this show is made by Amazon and that a large amount of the videos about the boys was sponsored by Amazon as well.
And now the next quetion is: Is Amazon virtue signaling by supporting a show like this?
@@escapefromtibet2530 you bet
Thats why you have to break the 4th wall of capitalism aka some based socialist policies
Irony? I think thats logical.
@@escapefromtibet2530 Less likely. I mean, they might find a benefit to having a show like this but the origins of the show almost certainly didn't come out of their PR department but from the minds of the Producers. The producers have the message and it is likely an honest one.
"girls DO get it done" frenchie is my favorite fucking character
floopa
Frenchie is the best
He's so crush material.
@@Jkjoannakiagreed 😅
@@Jkjoannaki And you're street material, lmao.
The motif of Homelander solemnly saying “You’re the real heroes.” Is so brilliant because, in addition to virtue-signaling using patriotism and Americana, he’s exploiting our ego and desire for undeserved praise. Even though the adulation Homelander receives is just as undeserved because he was created in a lab. His abilities were given to him and could’ve been given to someone else had Vought chosen to experiment on a different woman. It’s subtle elements like that line that make The Boys such a great show.
All abilities are given by random genetic combination.
@@kynikersolon3882 Factors in the mother like nutrition, stress level, and exposure to extreme temperatures can have significant influences on development of fetuses.
The other funny thing is that when you look at that phrase in a literal sense, Homelander is implying that he is a fake hero.
" _You_ are the real heroes. (Because I'm sure as hell not)"
@@phillewis2630 Yes! It works on so many levels 😄
By that exact logic though, DC comics Superman is also not a real hero. Superman is just a random man from the planet Krypton who gets superpowers under Earth's yellow sun. The planet Krypton orbited under a red sun. Every single Kryptonian that ever existed could have gotten superpowers and become a superhero if they had come to Earth. Also by DC comics universe logic, any human from Earth could become a superhero if they went to a planet with a blue sun. (In one DC comic that actually happened when Superman's adopted dad Johnathan Kent went to a planet with a blue sun and temporarily got Superman like superpowers.)
I agree with your main point though. Homelander is only loved and respected because he has superpowers and because he lies about fighting to defend America, not because of anything he actually did.
Also I also think it's true that many people really do enjoy and appreciate empty compliments.
For those curious.
Matthew 6:2: So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full.
Cheers to this mate.
Pretty fair advice.
Screw that. Be loud about it so others get involved too. Everyone can afford to give something, even a penny helps.
IMHO christians forget this when they say "Why aren't there any Atheist charities?" as if they're being clever. There are, they just don't usually make a big deal out of it (and because of the discrimination we face, there are already instances of our help refusing to be acknowledged).
I want to see a wisecrack translation of the entire Sermon on the Mount. Give "The Message" a run for its money.
The church of the collective is clearly a jab at scientology.
I thought they were Borg drones
Yup. When the Deep started doing vids I said to my mom "He has become their Tom Cruise"
@@natehigman3987 bruh you watched the boys with your mother?
@@MrSmithers Maybe he's a kid. In which case you come across rather poorly. Or he's someone who spends time with his family, which again makes you come across poorly.
@@MrSmithers The first season I binged by myself, then I told my mom that she would like it, she watched the first season, then her and I watched the second season together
"I'm afraid to show the world who I am."
"Yeah? So, who are you?"
"I'm GAY"
"Hi gay, I'm dad"
LOL
Maybe it's his name lol
You know what?
Nobody wants to know because nobody cares.
Welcome to Planet Nobody Cares: Population 6,000,000,000.
*Queen Maeve hops down from a cupboard dressed in green*
Yeah, that scene in Endgame irked me. Like, she just took down and entire massive space battleship single handedly, but now she needs help traveling across maybe a kilometer of terrain filled with enemies she could vaporize with a blink?
Imagine if instead they had scarlet witch take down the ship, She is one of the most powerful Avengers and if instead you showed her tearing apart Thanoses troops but having to change direction and use her powers to tare that ship down instead severely weakening her temporarily so the rest of the team had to pick up the slack.
Because PLOT
I am NOT writing characters with such a power level
@@Ramsey276one Ah yes plot to shoehorn one of the most unlikable characters to push an agenda. There was a reason to put Captain Marvel right before Endgame even though you could have probably removed her from Endgame because of how insignificant of a role she had in the movie.
@@kosmosXcannon I always say that to people who point to the box office numbers about Captain Marvel. They released it like literally 2 or 3 weeks before the highest grossing movie in history and said "you have to watch this movie to fully understand Endgame".
If they did that with Pink Panther then it would've hit $1B
To be fair, Wanda was the most powerful one in that shot. Thanos smacks around Danvers, and barely registers her photon blasts, but he had to activate an emergency bombardment because Wanda was about to singlehandedly kill him and he couldn't do a thing about it. Also, Wanda is the far more interesting character. We see her face adversity and loss repeatedly and keep rising above it, and developing. With Captain Marvel we get "Oh look, this woman is super powerful, and a woman! Look how bad ass and self assured she is! And she's a woman! And now she's even more powerful! Have we mentioned she's a woman?" We're told she's struggled against adversity all of her life, but never really shown it in a meaningful way. I can't remember who did it, but there was a video that broke down how they could have re-edited that film to make her story much more interesting and actually shown her growth. But as presented, we had a movie that broke one of the cardinal rules of telling a good story, Show, Don't Tell.
Given her power levels in the comics, I hope they aren't as ham fisted with Monica Rambeau/Spectrum. It would be far too easy to fall into the same trap, except this time it would be "Look how powerful she is, and she's a Black Woman!", especially after the passing of Chadwick Boseman meaning they have to re-examine any plans for Black Panther and Wakanda. Yes, I'm being cynical but I can easily see a suit in an office saying "we lost the original black headliner, let's push Spectrum into production to make sure we hold on to that demographic" (If they really feel the need to do that sort of virtue signaling, and make sure they have a black lead for a movie to push forward right away, Sam becoming Cap would be best and feel the most natural) With both Tony and Steve gone, if they do a Spectrum movie it should be building her up and ending with her being the new leader of the Avengers (which she was for a while in the comics), or at the least setting that up for her next appearance.
It's not about selling products. It's about selling the solution to a problem you control.
Sounds like a quote about sin, as peddled by religion, as best as I can remember, "It's a made up poison created to sell a made up cure". Something like that
And these are the best businesses, the ones that have a monopoly on both supply and demand.
Apple removing the headphone jack so people can buy air pods lol
Very true and insightful. Stormfront tiles people up about a nonexistent threat so Vought can sell the heroes who will eliminate it. Happens in real world politics a lot.
Pretty sure it's an analogy to the military industrial complex, or our various wars in the middle east. Funding terrorist groups to destabilize/overthrow leftist leaders who won't give up their nation's resources and labor for cheap to US corporations. Having those same terrorist groups funded and trained by the CIA attack the USA to bring the country together so we can justify a war for that sweet sweet oil.
Ngl I laughed my ass off when I saw the "Me and the squad on our way to respect Stormfront" meme in the show. Whoever made the memes for this show made them too realistic
That's how you know you got a good production team
They actually took them right from the Facebook group pages, these memes seem very legitimate because they are. They're fairly active with their community online.
@@FriezaSucks fuck yeah!
@Et Leva that's what makes it so good lol. In lore, they need positive PR and public opinion, this is how thry do it
wait that was actually in the show? i thought wisecrack were editting those in the video
What’s kind of sad is that so many people don’t even see the not so subtle subtext sprinkled into the boys. Like there are actually people who unironically like Homelander because he’s “honest and funny”.
Meanwhile if Homelander were in the world of The Watchmen, those same people would drag him to the fire and burn him alive for being a "superhero" in the first place.
@deannal.newton9772 not really, the show is arguing by making people in the audience find Homelander "relatable" that people irl side with people like Homelander blindly because of their own bigotism.
No, we get that Homelander is portrayed as the bad guy. We just like him anyway because he is honest and funny, and we agree with him. Just because he's "supposed" to be the villain doesn't mean I have to interpret him that way.
@@actualturtle2421You agree that some people are inherently better than others?
You also have daddy issues?
Or where exactly do you think that he's right?
I love the character, but not because of that. I love the character because he's the epitome of what America truly is. It's a pretty face covering up the atrocities committed. Germany made a lot of mistakes, but at least they admitted their faults.
Disney is a prime example of real virtue signaling.
Great example, the kiss between the two women in Episode 9 of star wars was censored out in many countries.
But sure, Disney *definitely* cares about the LGBT community, totally.
I want to also point out in that End Game scene it's entirely undermined by the fact the women failed.
It kinda cheapens the entire thing.
In the scene from The Boys, Maeve is also interrupted by the movie's plot before she's able to kiss her love interest.
There was a same-sex kiss is Episode 9? I literally didn't even notice.
@@Iliadicit’s when their celebrating victory at the end of the movie it’s like 3 seconds
"People love what I have to say, they believe in it, they just don't like the word Nazi." Such simple lines and yet complex.
That's a very good line, just look at BLM.
@@iMorands how you gonna take a line about racism and apply it to a movement for equality?
@@iMorands BLM's leaders are marxists different end of the spectrum, but just as authoritarian
@@mccaylawhite8900 it's about equality on paper, but in practice most of the people supporting it are just using the equality bit to justify their own racism towards whites. Just look at Yusra Khogali.
@@iMorands
racism against white people doesn’t exist
“You have fans. I have soldiers.” Terrifying and unfortunately relevant.
I wish
Twitter warriors
Lol, the amount of actual Nazis is very low, despite that lefties are still scared of them. Instead they go after "Nazis" a.k.a people who didn't like the new Star Wars trilogy for example
@@MrValarMorgoth yeah the amount of actual nazis is very low but the amount of people who believe in what the Nazis believed but don't like the word Nazis is very high..
@@stannyb3346 when even the slightest form of discourse is considered as a Nazi believe then yeah, those numbers are indeed high.. just because someone doesn't agree with your policy that doesn't automatically make him a Nazi
Rumour has it that the Brave Maeve Bar is just a rebranded Almond Joy.
I'd think a "lesbian" chocolate or protein bar would have no nuts in it...
@@slipperyh8390 LMAO! This killed me!
Can't believe I've never heard of this show before. That part about the public perception of the 'right kind of lesbian' is dead on. I've heard so often that a woman can or can't be a lesbian based on their looks because their only perception of one is from media. It shows even when media is like, here, we're representing you, they do it in a way that says there's a right way to be gay, or even straight or a minority, etc.
Seeing Homelander literally losing his shit by scrolling through memes is the best Superhero media I've seen in my entire life.
Threatening but hilarious.
He didn't literally lose his shit.
@@jamesedward3619 Who knows, maybe he did? Thankfully we don't have Smell-TV
Agreed. I capped that scene and keep it handy..maybe I could edit and GIF some parts...it's just too good.
Probably how some celebrities react to getting clowned on social media.
@@jamesedward3619 Literally litterally can mean "not litterally", so they did literally mean he literally lost his shit. Literally.
My favourite moment from S2 was when Stormfront was saying to the kid about 'white genocide' and even Homelander made a face like 'umm I'm not sure about that one' 😅
That was an amazing nonverbal ".... huh!" :D
@@toppersundquist His face is gold in that scene
@@MaxIronsThird The man whole acting is golden
Welcome to South Africa🇿🇦
@Schlomo Goldensteinberg *makes the Homelander face*
I laughed so hard when people said this show was going too woke. This show is in fact actively mocking virtue signaling, tokenism, and other forms of fake progressivism. While at the same time showing that its not just one side of the political aisle doing this shit.
It also shows that The Boys is the exact opposite of what The Watchmen had to deal with in spite of both of them being part of DC.
Seriously, the best part about this show is that it roasts both sides and always nails it. Ppl that say that are just too political imo.
@@jackpackage4278 It doesn't really roast both sides tho, if you watch the show you can tell that Homelander and his followers are a direct representation of everything wrong with the US today. The virtue signaling doesn't target left wing politics, it targets companies that pretend to be progressive but in reality couldn't care less and only care about their public image and profit.
@@kolt471SPOT ON
@@jackpackage4278 It doesn't tho. There's only one side and a manufactured opposition. It's just corpos putting on a theatre.
My wife audibly growned at the endgame scene. About half of our theatre threw popcorn at the direction of the screen
When I first saw it I was like what was the coincidence that all these women just came together on their own like that and it pulled me right out of my immersion
I groaned out loud at that Endgame scene. Mainly because BARELY ANY OF THOSE CHARACTERS INTERACTED WITH EACH OTHER UNTIL THAT POINT. All the male Avengers and even male side characters had these powerful bonding moments throughout the franchise, I guess the ladies all made friends off screen?
@@jellyfishi_ It just didn't fit. You have someone like Captain Marvel that could solo Thanos and demolish his football field sized space ship in two blows and then put her side by side with Okoye who is armed with nothing but a spear. Now I could make the same comparison with Captain America and Thor, but Thor is the heavy hitter of the team while Captain America is the leadership and ideological center.
Okoye could never be like Captain America because she already has prior loyalties to the Isolationist Wakanda while Captain Marvel has shown regard to submitting herself under a governing other than being superhero.
Marvel can't just put a bunch of women together and say "Girl Power!" if it doesn't make any sense.
@@wesleywallace4426 that and Wanda or Black Widow barely talked to the other women or themselves the entire Avengers storyline.
Somehow the female heroes that were scattered all over the battlefield somehow appear alongside captain marvel.
It was off that Pepper had a suit. Through t out the mcu she was either telling Tony to not where the suit or they broke up because of him being iron man. Also it was unnecessary not cu the forced female heroes in one shot but because carol was able ri defeat the army without their help
Theres no bonding moment in civil war, age of ultron, or even Infinity War
We’re told to just accept spider man was invited by Iron Man into the story and now peter is around
I get people in this camp are biased but its just obvious
Well done. Reminds me of every June, when every company changes their social media pictures to rainbows, everywhere except their Middle Eastern branches.
Ha! Or the fact that Disney has rainbow merch, but is too cowardly to create a gay Disney princess or main character of their movie because they don’t want to scare away foreign audiences. But don’t worry guys, you can buy a rainbow Mickey shirt and be a walking advertisement, because progress! Woohoo!
@@sharontafoya2878 gotta be honest here, let's make character driven stories again. Idgaf whether the character in question believes in gay rights or even is a bigot. Just having a well written character that dosent change when the wind blows a new direction.
@@aaronsullivan8230 ^^word!
@@sharontafoya2878 yeah honestly we should just put the companies on blast for it. But most people very loudly about some stuff dont really care they just want to feel better about themselves and pull others down.
Usually their actions just make it harder for those who they claim to help.
But im not a fan of identity politics anyway, like that is only there to create a dived and hatred between groups were none is needed. So I'd personally not do any special months but just treat everyone equal all 365 or 366 days of the year.
@@aaronsullivan8230 Which is what I would say to DC as well.
The line "That's a literal Nazi saying this."
Is so meta.
Not sure I get it. SJW's don't.
@@TheWayoftheSith wut?
:/
4:35 "We live in a world where we don't trust anyone to stand for anything for the right reasons."
I needed to sit with that for a moment.
I know I don't trust. Cant speak for everyone else though.
Just when I saw your comment, he said that
that one sat with for awhile to
I was not expecting a wisecrack video to go this hard, but that might be on me
...that line is so true it hurts.
It's nice to see someone else thought "that" scene from Endgame was pretty cynical and on the nose.
I mean, that isn't what it was. It was a reference to the A Force.
Aye!
I mean. They’re comic books. They’ve had underlying social justice since their inception.
Nah, it was just stupid.
Word I thought it felt pretty random.
The casual biphobia of "lesbian is more cut and dry" while trying to promote a story of LGBT pride never escapes me.
Yeah, the irony right?
It's kinda like the actual gay/lesbian community saying that bisexuals are "just confused" or "not committed to being gay". Gays and lesbians are more bigoted than the people they screech about on Twitter.
if only i understood what that means
Because people often don't believe in what they are saying. Some LGBT pride crowd do not love freedom of sexuality, but love gay-ism or even hate straight people.
It's like some radical feminists preach that men are so bad that women shouldn't be event talked to and all women should be lesbians. They are not for women rights , they want men to die (although calling themselves "feminists").
It's like people would rather be "eased into" accepting LGBTQ+ communities rather than just accepting them
The worst thing is, corporations are stuck in a loop where they believe some opinions are popular simply because other corporations "believe in them", not knowing why they even do so in the first place.
Companies be like, “Wow guys we changed our logo to rainbow look how progressive we are, hahahahahaha don’t question why we still have slaves in China”
People already know all the information about any company and any wrongdoing they commited anywhere anytime, they just dont wanna hear it.
That scene with the young blind hero who got his ears destroyed by Homelander was the saddest, meanest and most cruel moment in the whole show. My opinion.
@( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) 丂ㄖ几丨匚 He's a psychopath
This show gets more gnarly with every episode, but that moment has stood out to me the most. It's hard to watch sometimes
@( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) 丂ㄖ几丨匚 simple everything is easy to homelander. He never needed to try. So to see blind spot is the opposite of home lannder
sameee
Yeah, but ironically Homelander was also right. The blind guy would have been terrible in a real fight. That's what makes him such a great villain. The best villains are the ones who are technically correct. The problem isn't that they're wrong. It's that they're evil.
I think we have reached new levels of meta and corporate cynicism.
Wait until butcher starts killing off the boys so there is no one to interfere with him killing every supe on the planet.
@@gregcullers7883 Let's hope it never comes to that. Although, from what I've seen, the show has is very different from the comics, so maybe Billy will be able to make peace in the end.
🏳️🌈🏳️🌈JP Morgan🏳️🌈🏳️🌈
I'd just like to say when I watch an episode of The Boys, I'm always amazed at how much story content they cram into 45min-1hr. It usually feels like the amount of content of 3 Marvel films.
The “authenticity signaling” concept needs to be hyped more. It tends to fly under the radar but in reality it’s just as annoying/harmful as virtue signaling is. It’s literally the same agenda-driven companies/people just selling themselves to consumers outside their normal target audience under the disguise of “I’m not like these popular girls, I’m real!” rhetoric.
I'm increasingly convinced I have some form of autism, as I find putting on any kind of act incredibly difficult. So it's interesting to me to see people who are constantly aware of their self-image. Sounds exhausting lol
It's something pundits on the right has done. They never shut up about how they're independent minds, freethinkers, or realists.
If you imagine the prisoners dilemma with it being a team effort to virtue signal as a collective, like Vought did with the staged Troop Support, then storm front and her authenticity signaling was choosing to screw over everyone else to get a big bonus and hurt the others big at the same time.
“I’m gay!”
God that made me laugh so hard. This show nails it.
-“Actually she’s bi?”
-“But these days ‘gay’ is more cut-and-dried, you know?”
The supposed film focus and makes her out to be only gay and then profits on it
I was really expecting a clip of iDubbbz to show up
Lol
"Public relations" is just the rehabilitated term for propaganda.
Painfully accurate
Lol, they put PR spin on the word propaganda by renaming it PR.
Thanks, Edward Bernays
It is a factual notion.
You can look at it frkm tht point or you can look at it from another point
Left uncheck people will start rumours of the company and will not buy the product if they believe its not worth the price
So the company uses a spokesperson to educate consumers on the product. consumers are smart enough to see theough the bs but will hop on trend hating such as cancel culture
For the record, that L’Oreal model wasn’t speaking out against white supremacy. She caused outrage when she went on UK TV and claimed all white Brits to be racist.
Yeah, that was a little disingenuous to frame it the way they did.
@@tedgovostis7351 maybe he agrees that all white people in general are racist, I wouldn't be surprised.
Wow, goes to show you that framing is everything.
Ironic.
6:55 The Bergdorf-L'Oréal issue is not necessarily a case of corporate hypocrisy. I don't know the details, but Bergdorf's "coming-out against White Supremacy" may have been executed so sloppily that Bergdorf deserved to be fired. Did she, e.g., employ "blanket" condemnations and call whole swathes of the populace "White Supremacists?" It is possible to have legitimate grounds for firing someone (or "ending a partnership") because of their sloppy / counterproductive support for a cause which is, in and of itself, praiseworthy.
I think this show was an incredibly cynical synopsis of the American superhero genre which aims to wrestle with some of our deepest societal struggles. While the show leaves most issues unresolved, it challenges the viewer to make an assessment of what they believe. Very excited to see where the series goes! Also this was a wonderful dissection of The Boys, you are a very thoughtful and intelligent RUclipsr. A rare thing in these times
That's my major problem with the show, is that it leaves most issues unresolved.
"Girls really do get it done."
-Frenchie
2 seconds later Stormfront flies away , essentially unharmed. Only to be killed by an angry preteen boy.
"Girls get it on." - Homelander
Wait until Butcher kills Frenchie and the female so they dont interfere with his genocide on all supes.
@@gregcullers7883 im pretty sure the show is gonna end way differently than the comic did.
My biggest issue with "she's got help" is that it was completely unearned. Litterally all but 1 of the female heroes in that scene were side characters from movies about men.
If marvel wants to do a scene like that, that's fine! They just need to earn it first.
Its not meant to be an empowerment scene. Each character in that scene was from A-force and it was a reference to that comic and perhaps a future film/show. One of the most misunderstood scenes in film history.
@@cryojudgement2376 "Its not meant to be an empowerment scene. Each character in that scene was from A-force and it was a reference to that comic and perhaps a future film/show. One of the most misunderstood scenes in film history."
Literally the first time I've heard or seen *anyone* say this, so, I guess it's not that well known a comic?? (I have little immersion into comics, so; honest confusion/ question here.)
Also, I believe coming in off the tail of the "Assemble" scene would make it seem like it was going for an "empowerment" type of scene anyways, even if it *was* supposed to be an A-force reference. Then again; that's my own, comic ignorant, opinion ;)
@@ilovejettrooper5922 A-force is a woman's only division of the avengers. Its not as pandering as youd think or as it sounds. A-force is relatively new and it's an all female cast of A list female heros.
@@ilovejettrooper5922 I see your point as well, and it makes sense that it would come off as an empowerment scene.
@@cryojudgement2376 TIL, thanks for the clarification ;)
Good Luck and Optimal Development to you.
I wonder how far Amazon can go in commodifying anti-corporate (and even anti-capitalist and leftist) ideas before they actually oust themselves and antagonise their own consumers. Is there even a limit? Should we expect an adaptation of Das Kapital soon that we can all subscribe and watch for our fix of class consciousness, courtesy of Jeff Bezos?
Das Kapital with a picture of Karl Marx being a Vietnamese woman. -D
You know, youd buy it as a good little boy consumer.
I don't think they have to be too worried. What are you going to do, stop buying stuff and live off of subsistence farming?
@@help4343
No but it would better then giving people money who hate their costumers.
Virtue signaling isnt necessarily a lazy argument, it is meant to be used so as to explain the contrived and deceptive intentions of people who do seemingly "virtuous" things. Their virtue is superficial and purely meant to further their own means
“That’s a literal Nazi saying this.” That really amuses me.
Even funnier is the fact that the actress playing Stormfront is Jewish.
@@BlinkyLass That's even better!
And not someone a person disagrees with on twitter. An actual member of Hitlers regime.
@@RAINBOWNIGTHMAREPRODUCTIONS An actual, factual, Nazi.
@@BlinkyLass The character is an actual Nazi though.
That scene in endgame was so unnecessary. Carol Danvers didn't even need anyones help. She could have flown through that on her own, the overpowered shit.
Fr tho.. She had just gotten through flying thru the hull of the ship and I imagine the walls of a spaceship are harder than the flesh of a horde of RageVirus infected and rabid monkeydogs
It was such a Disney thing to do
The superhero genre is a modern elaboration upon mythic fable tropes. It is rarely concerned with what is 'logical,' and never with what is 'necessary.' Its power comes from abstraction and estrangement. Try to look for what a scene means and represents, not how believably it plays out; start in on the story logic, and you're ice skating up a hill, Bud.
@@benmarton7849 Yes but it also relies on a willing suspension of disbelief. And It's hard to believe that in a critical moment like that, ONLY the females would be in that scene without some kind of setup from previous scenes. They could have even made it more organic by having females intercept while she's flying, but adding that group close up scene was just so unnecessary and distracted from its real purpose.
Like that scene in The Boys when they beat up Stormfront, no team poses, no girls get it done, just a straight up brawl. It didn't pull you out of your suspension and kept you immersed in the fable. Which is kinda what people tend to complain about but can't articulate completely. It wasn't the girl power that was jarring, it was that it pulled them out of the story because it was clearly a pr scene.
@@kyoken8691 I understand your concern, but at this point, it's down to expectation, context, and buy-in. I certainly had no trouble willingly suspending any disbelief, and I'm a forty-eight year old man who has been reading superhero comics for well over three decades (and appreciating good cinema almost as long). I do know this: the roar that went up in the cinema was evidence enough for me that the moment worked, and my teenage daughter still smiles to remember it. I felt the joy, I felt the power, and I was really happy for every person who saw that moment for the wink at the audience it was and still let it in.
'The Boys,' on the other hand? Meh. It feels a far more cynical exercise to me. Because I don't buy in. The truth? 'The Boys' is what alienates me.
"People love what I have to say, they believe in it, they just don't like the word Nazi" As someone who got dragged down the alt right pipeline and pulled myself out before the point of no return this was one of the most horrifyingly true things I had ever heard.
Alt RiGhT pIpeLiNe
acting like being some loser who spends too much time on 4chan is some horrifying thing lol. no youre just a clown
@@ChaplainJoshuafunny that nobody can ever explain what it is and just consider it anything right of the far left.
@@commanderclown8620Just say you're politically illiterate
@@ChaplainJoshuaJust because you are personally too stupid to grasp the concept doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It very obviously exists, seeing as many people have told their stories of getting out of it. It's very well documented too.
The guy who plays Gus on breaking bad thats also in this show is the most badass CEO type character actor I've ever seen.
Homelander creating his own supervillains reminds me of the endless wars used to justify the military industrial complex. We must destroy the evil warlords created by the power vacuum that we created by bombing yet another country into a post-apocalyptic hellscape.
And sometimes the insurgent forces we're fighting are people we trained to fight for us in the last war. We trained Al-Queda to fight the commies in the 80's, then in the 00's when we were fighting them we trained some people who formed ISIS.
Don't forget create a racist campaign against the refugees from places we destabilize...
Do not downplay the roll of beliefs and ideology.
For a time ISIS had its own magazine named Dabiq. It’s polish and and editing was on par with any Madison Avenue publication (at least it was until all the editors were killed). They published an article entitled “Why we hate you and why we fight you.” They list the reasons why with the first two being:
“We hate you, first and foremost, because you are disbelievers; you reject the oneness of Allah - whether you realize it or not - by making partners for Him in worship, you blaspheme against Him, claiming that He has a son, you fabricate lies against His prophets and messengers, and you indulge in all manner of devilish practices. It is for this reason that we were commanded to openly declare our hatred for you and our enmity towards you. “There has already been for you an excellent example in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people, ‘Indeed, we are disassociated from you and from whatever you worship other than Allah. We have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred forever until you believe in Allah alone’” (Al-Mumtahanah 4). Furthermore, just as your disbelief is the primary reason we hate you, your disbelief is the primary reason we fight you, as we have been commanded to fight the disbelievers until they submit to the authority of Islam, either by becoming Muslims, or by paying jizyah - for those afforded this option - and living in humiliation under the rule of the Muslims. Thus, even if you were to stop fighting us, your best-case scenario in a state of war would be that we would suspend our attacks against you - if we deemed it necessary - in order to focus on the closer and more immediate threats, before eventually resuming our campaigns against you. Apart from the option of a temporary truce, this is the only likely scenario that would bring you fleeting respite from our attacks. So in the end, you cannot bring an indefinite halt to our war against you. At most, you could only delay it temporarily. “And fight them until there is no fitnah [paganism] and [until] the religion, all of it, is for Allah” (Al-Baqarah 193).
We hate you because your secular, liberal societies permit the very things that Allah has prohibited while banning many of the things He has permitted, a matter that doesn’t concern you because you separate between religion and state, thereby granting supreme authority to your whims and desires via the legislators you vote into power. In doing so, you desire to rob Allah of His right to be obeyed and you wish to usurp that right for yourselves. “Legislation is not but for Allah” (Yusuf 40). Your secular liberalism has led you to tolerate and even support “gay rights,” to allow alcohol, drugs, fornication, gambling, and usury to become widespread, and to encourage the people to mock those who denounce these filthy sins and vices. As such, we wage war against you to stop you from spreading your disbelief and debauchery - your secularism and nationalism, your perverted liberal values, your Christianity and atheism - and all the depravity and corruption they entail.You’ve made it your mission to “liberate” Muslim societies; we’ve made it our mission to fight off your influence and protect mankind from your misguided concepts and your deviant way of life.”
The author leaves the foreign policy of the U.S. and other western nations for the final bullet point. As if to make it any more insultingly clear the author goes on to follow up their listing with:
“What’s important to understand here is that although some might argue that your foreign policies are the extent of what drives our hatred, this particular reason for hating you is secondary, hence the reason we addressed it at the end of the above list. The fact is, even if you were to stop bombing us, imprisoning us, torturing us, vilifying us, and usurping our lands, we would continue to hate you because our primary reason for hating you will not cease to exist until you embrace Islam. Even if you were to pay jizyah and live under the authority of Islam in humiliation, we would continue to hate you. No doubt, we would stop fighting you then as we would stop fighting any disbelievers who enter into a covenant with us, but we would not stop hating you.”
@@RaySquirrel yes but people with those ideologies were heavily armed and funded by USA, which is the point of what we are discussing. Specifically the USA's habitual patterns of funding violent ideological groups in any region with instability...
Funny how the the first president to not enter any new wars lost (?) the bid for re-election. Just like the last one to do that, come to think of it.
And the biggest irony is that this show is a product of Amazon. They're pretty much congresswoman Neumann.
It’s “controlled opposition” all the way down!
Jerry: Hello Neumann...
Congresswoman Neumann is very clearly supposed to be AOC. I wonder why Amazon would want to attack a wildly popular socialist congresswoman hmmmm
@@skysthelimitvideos I imagine that they will use her as a critique of the modern calls for elements of socialism as they don't really aim to change much in the grand scheme of things. AOC and Bernie Sanders are considered moderate leftists in many countries outside of the USA.
@@whodatboi2567 AOC and Sanders are far leftists , I assure you
The way Marvel did the all women scene in Endgame I believe that was put best by my boyfriend: “why would all these heroes suddenly come together in the middle of battle?” Like drop everything and run to Captain Marvel
Not to mention the fact that most shows that introduce a bisexual character will never then show that character in a straight looking relationship ever again. It takes away from their LGBTQ clout
Both sides only acknowledge “farmers in Iowa” once every 4 years.
Lucky. California is only ever wheeled out as a boogeyman for the actually important states. I don’t remember the last time I saw a politician wanting to campaign here. Not even our own representative.
Any time a big city with a homicide rate is mentioned, it is out of pity or fear and not out of trying to fix the place.
they are shitty useless pieces of shit who should NEVER be acknowledged at all. The state is completely unrepresentative of the country's population yet it is the one that gets to decide who will get past the primary meaning absolutely no Democrat left of Bush Sr. ever gets a chance because these piece of shit hick farmers are triggered by the C word even when it absolutely does not apply.
Bernie?
@( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) 丂ㄖ几丨匚 if they fix it then it means we don’t need them anymore. Like a mechanic who ripped out your engine to fix the windshield wipers.
This is why logic is so important. It's easy to get away with injustice when all you have to do is appeal to emotions. Look out for people who are trying to undercut logic
Buddy, the conclusions you reach through logic are completely influenced by your biases and values. Logic isn't some omnipotent force. It's totally relative. Logic can lead to fascism just as easily as it can to some democratic utopia
The Vulcans had the right idea.
I wonder where that could be found in the real world... hmmmm...
It is so easy to handpick any set of logic you like to justify hatred. Data can be present in various ways and the world is not black and white.
Ask yourself are you actually out to love our hate. Because when you have no mercy for others, you shall also receive none.
This is why I've spent so much time trying to use and encourage use of logic.
Basically like how Disney pretends to push a progressive outlook, but actually panders to both to maximise profit.
Came here with low expectations. Got a wonderfully unbiased and well thought out socio-political analysis. Well done guys. Bell hit.
Anyone remember rainbow Doritos? Oreos? Corps love doing the "Pride Bar" shit in real life too.
I think there was a chocolate company that made a rainbow chocolate bar.
They made rainbow Doritos? What flavor would that even be
@@PaintedHoundie food coloring flavor
Lol.
Pride Bar is a brand of laundry soap in my country.
The explanation about how Virtue Signaling quickly becomes a lazy excuse to not engage with people's arguments
Right?? * chef’s kiss *
Yeah, almost everyone, at least online, does it. The right with things like virtue signalling and buzzwords like libtard, and the left by calling people nazi's etc. It's sad
@@ri3121 everybody’s living in their own self important, self assured, unchallenged bubble. Scary times.
A year ago calling Disney's a virtue signaler would get you called an incel. But after that fiasco with Mulan and concentration camps, people are more comfortable with the term. Let's face it. The term didn't come out of a vacuum. Companies deserve to get called out for their shits.
@NearLight what do you do when someone is calling your racist based on the color of your skin? You can't really engage with a baseless ad hominem argument. Maybe you can hope they will realize that they are demonstrating the bigotry they think they are against, but if one was that self-aware they would base their argument on a logical fallacy.
For those curious
One of the most prominent sociologists who said "everything is a performance" is Erving Goffman, and he wrote a great book on this topic called "The Presentation of Self in Everyday Life".
Its a good read
I thought that the fact that they put storefront in the Seven , knowing how she acts on social media, was a really funny move. Even sports companies like to have a select few that are a complete opposition to the company itself (while getting paid by them). It creates a realistic environment that gets people going about these characters.
"Make naziism look kosher" I clapped alone in my bedroom.
You must be white. Surely. You clap when the plane lands? When the roller coaster is over? It's not a 1800s theater play. Clapping Is supposed to be for plays only basically. It's for a good performance. It's meant to be heard directly by the performers. To congratulate them. Nothing else. Which is why movie theater clappers are also wierd. The cast isn't there.
@@adameins5622 *slow claps*
@@adameins5622 it was a slow clap because I recognised the cleverness. you must be white. surely. The college type that goes to plays and makes jokes about white stereotypes.
@@davidtheberge1231 I can't handle this vicious white white on white violence lmao
@@FeministCatwoman So this is what stormfront meant by "white genocide"
This is probably one of the best videos I've ever watched on Social Justice that doesn't attack it from an "alt-right" perspective.
You got my respect for that.
Whats the alt right perspective? Social justice is the opposite of justice?
@@BrianOblivionB It's the typical "They want to push gays and women in our face and make black people more privileged than us"
See channels like The Critical Drinker, Geeks & Gamers or No Bullshit
@@joramsim I think No Bullshit is the ultimate example most will agree with.
@@joramsim I've never seen The Critical Drinker making comments like these although he is usually making ironic comments on identity politics being used as the only vehicle for films... and it's usually done in a humorous way.
@@joramsim Oh lord don’t remind me of the simple existence of No BS 🤢
This show really brings to light the danger and power of collectivism, when people structure their lives around a collective identity, like race or gender or religion, regardless if they do it through the lens of the left or the right, they set themselves up for manipulation.
The funniest thing about the show is the subtle messages such as sending certain supes to areas that they “trend well in” or the mentions of trending well with certain demographics.
The funniest scene on the entire show for me was when Stormfront is talking to the kid about white genocide and Homelander is there like "what the fuck, how did we get here" because apparently he was literally the last person to realize what dating with a nazi entails. Also his obssesion with drinking milk.
That's sort of because for him, the idea of white genocide(despite having expressed prejudicial sentiments on many occasions) is just as false as the flat earth theory. He thinks he's the A-game and that arguably the closing thing to an equal and family for him is this kid. Why teach him something unrelated to that that is also false?
You forgot to mention that The Church of the Collective is an obvious analogue for Scientology. The book The Deep holds is very much referencing "Dianetics", and those cheesy commercials that he's in are stylistically similar to those that Scientology produces. "The Boys" definitely explores themes related to how Scientology entwines itself with celebrity to advance its own agenda. Scientology produces a lot of media to try and create an image that it's doing good in the world - its own brand of virtue signaling.
i find it so funny that the only character who hardly ever faked anything was kimiko, who literally couldnt say anything
“Everyone who hates virtue signaling, join my righteous crusade against it!”
The way he took down that Daredevil Pastiche was brutal
@Dizi Editleri No.
@Dizi Editleri
Of course I'll report you friend.
yah now he deaf and blind...
"now the time to cash in on, not being sexist anymore."
oh dam
I read this comment the same time he said it
Could cash in to make something good but no.
Matthew 6:2
“So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full”
This is a great satire. It s self awareness of our politics, pop culture, consumerism and the whole superhero genre of both the DCEU and MCU in one. It s genius!
It's nice when these topics can be approached from a place of calm logic, rather than the often equally tribalistic from the other side.
This is the internet. Social media and the cultural war (of which companies and organizations have a vested interest in) have made talkimg about this pretty much impossible.
Which is kimd of a point as any commom ground amongst the people can lead to them either actually finding solutions to problems, rebelling aganist their ruler, or just doing an actual boycott that actually successful.
@@Xo-3130 I say it's solely due to recommendation algorithms and curated feeds. RUclips is the only site I'm still on that has one. Super retro sites that don't have this also don't seem have these ridiculous polarizations im my experience.
@@ayior Yeah remember back in the days when people just use the internet to shit post and have fun? That's what people do online when traffic wasn't throttled.
I miss arguments where everyone gets the piss taken out of them equally. Humans in general are often full of shit and need to be taken down a few pegs on a regular basis.
This analysis was not calm logic. It completely missed the aggressive over the top injection of lefty politics into the show, which is incredibly ironic given the subject matter.
Me: Man, this year sucks, time to watch some fun shows to escape reality.
The show: uncomfortably correctly portraying the reality of late stage capitalism
Me: Haha, I love fiction.
@Adam Stolar
He likely just thought it was going to be a straightforwars parody of superhero movies.
Like he could probably easily have guessed that the show would make fun of the fact that superheroes and supervillians would not exist unless they were created by a corporation. He could also have guessed that the superheroes could actually be jackasses while pretending to be noble hearted people.
I doubt anyone could have expected beforehand how much this show would parody social media, especially since the Marvel and DC movies they're riffing on do not discuss real world issues that much.
This isn't capitalism, this is corporationism. Since the dawn of 21st century America is no longer a capitalist nation, its a corporationist nation. If the US was truly capitalist then its economy would look identical to the one they had in 40s, 50s or 60s (which is a large focus on small and medium businesses and huge ammounts of competition, also lots of government intervienience to depower large corporations and encourage small and medium businesses growth)
@@notrius7754 it's capitalism, corporativism is a part of it
@@ridleyrickmanreduz2196 corporationism is the exact opposite of capitalism. Capitalism is an ideology thats agaist centralized power. Corporations are almost the definition of centralized power and lack of competition. This goes agaist every single belief of capitalism ever.
@@notrius7754 capitalism is an economic system...... and it doesn't deny ilicit practices if it benefits the accumulation of capital
What really gets me is that a show about all of this is made by Amazon
11:35 "is virtue signaling confined only to the left" when you say left you should mean left. Liberals are moderate right wing.
In America, where the show is made, produced and most importantly, SET, liberals are left wing, conservatives are right. This is a jab at American culture, so it would represent American politics and ideologies, including party spectrums.
I just realized: Did Okoye jump down off a rock as she delivered her line? Really?
"Superhero Landing!"
@@schiz0phren1c "That's gotta be hard on the knees."
Matthew 6:2:
Therefore when you do merciful deeds, don’t sound a
trumpet before yourself, as the hypocrites do in the
synagogues and in the streets, that they may get glory from
men. Most certainly I tell you, they have received their reward.
I'm an atheist, but this is one of my favorite parts from the bible along with the sermon on the mount. Stuck with me ever since I heard it as a kid.
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You'd probably enjoy the story of Daniel, he's basically this verse as a person. One thing I like about these biblical heroes a lot is that often, they're humble to the max unless they're like the anakin of the story (e.g. saul)
When you do things right, people won’t assume you’ve done anything at all.
My two cents, based on this and the comic( I just heard there is a The Boys tv series) is that not only power but the desire of it corrupts, and fame is power.
That’s one of the things I love about this show it shows u just cuz someone looks like a hero or the good guy there’s so much behind the scenes u don’t see. On both sides of politics
How can you leave Stan Edgar's lunch with Billy Butcher out of this video when he says of Stormfronts Nazism "of course it bothers me, but it's not my concern that's a white man's game"
right! like if they mention how the boys touches on commodification of feminism and LGBTQ issues then he should've also mentioned that line and others which have been very impactful in explaining why other minorities like A-Train and Mr. Edgar would be a part of such a historically racist company like Vought and their crimes... the money.
@@mon_nobi its not just money, he can destroy the heroes with pr, he has the connections and etc, worst thing they can do is kill him, worst thing he can do is show society they are fakes...thats why he doesn't care, he can exact revenge he's not just a random they can hurt and get away with it. Afterall they had no issues abandoning a plane of ppl to die. Why? Cause they can spin the story, Deadman tell no tales, but a man with influence does post death. Dead man's switch
Tearing down the white patriarchy is forgotten when each group feels their cause has been neglected. "They got their share, fine whatever, but my people have been neglected for too long!"
@@117Ender not exactly sure what you're talking about here or who the "he" is that you're referring to, but i'm talking about a reason why Black men like A-Train and Mr. Edgar would work for a company that they know is racist like Vought. It's mostly just money.
@@mon_nobi they're arguing that money isn't the only thing keeping mr edgar at vought.
15:18 if anyone is wondering what Jesus said in Matthew 6:2, it's: So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full.
Absolutely nobody was wondering that but quite a few people in the comments felt the need to tell us anyway.
I wanted to know, thanks. I appreciate you.
@@markefreet1522 your welcome :)
“Virtue signaling” is just the modern name for something that’s been going on a very long time. I was born disabled, and when I was a little kid and would see another kid in a wheelchair on Sesame Street or wherever, it was always as part of a group of other kids, and they’d never focus on the wheelie kid or have them speak. Even at that young age, I remember thinking “Wait, why are they showing a kid in a wheelchair? They never show kids in wheelchairs. Oooh, they’re just trying to make themselves look good by acting like they care about wheelchair kids.”
"You're the real heroes" I hated that line every time homelander said it.
Marvel literally does that shit with police and military personnel. Pretty cringe
It’s true, turns out canceling people on Twatter doesn’t make you a good person.
Complaining about it doesn’t make you a good person either.
@The Smoking Salmon yet here you are adding to it…
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The constant Brave Maeve products made me laugh the hardest of anything in the season besides the whale.
I want a brave Maeve frozen lasagna.
The whale scene was bad, i liked the season though, especially the second half.
@@MaxIronsThird That was a real whale animatronic. Super interesting
@@ErikGauthierDrums I'm not saying it looked fakeor bad, which it actually looked, even if it's a animatronic, but the scene is only there so Butch can say: "That was diabolical", just like the laser beam eye kid from S1.
@@MaxIronsThird is the show not allowed to have comedy? It was also a good scene because it shows how bad the Deep actually is at being a superhero. He tries so hard to impress Homelander but in the end he screws up. It reinforces his own self doubt while also being a comedic gag that doesn’t detract from his character but is actuallt consistent with it.
"Making Nazism look kosher" is a great sentence.
The Deeps copy of the Gilette Toxic Masculinity ad was hillarious!
tl:dr : Social psychology dictates 99% of what we do. We do things not because we want to, but because we know other people are watching us.
I'm not sure if that's entirely true.
There are some brazen assholes who dont care. Thank you george carlin
@@allyvandergaast8746 to varying degrees. I'm down to 70%. I fart loudly and proudly in the elevator
@@nicolaiveliki1409 That's good. The key is letting go of your shame and accepting that no matter what you do you can't make everybody like you.
@@nicolaiveliki1409 do you do it because you don't care, or because you want the other people in the elevator to perceive you as someone who doesn't care
the PR strategist dudes are my fav characters in the show lol
The Persona series actually makes me think about this issue in a really interesting way. The metaverse in the world of Persona contains "shadows," in the very Jungian sense, which is the part of you that you don't acknowledge. That could be said to be the thing you are hiding by performing virtue. In this way, virtue is an action and not necessarily an essence. And the people who turn evil are the people who are, in a literal sense, refusing to acknowledge the parts of themselves they don't like because they're bad, dangerous, etc. That allows the shadows to control the real person.
But it's made explicitly clear that killing the shadow kills the person, so that's not the solution to becoming better. The heroes become powerful not by destroying their shadows, but by listening to them and making agreements with them. So the strongest people are those who can acknowledge the good and bad parts of themselves and not hide them from the world. I like that interpretation, I think it can be helpful in thinking about how to be a better person.
Is it possible to feel jaded with being jaded? Cuz that’s really what shows like this make me feel.
Yeah what's wrong with a lil optimism nowadays
I like how Mave looks frustrated when she vapes. I can relate.
“So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full." Matthew 6:2
Although Matthew 6:1 is better fit for making your point, Wisecrack: “Be careful not to practice your righteousness in front of others to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven."
Wouldn't hurt you to actually quote the passage from the Bible.
To be fair most people don't actually read the New testament. If they did they'd realize two things rather quickly. 1) Jesus was a MASSIVE asshole who really only tolerated other people through perpetual disappointment and resignation. 2) He was also fucking right about pretty much everything.
@@Soletestament i mean waking up every day and thinking "im dying for THSES people?" would make anyone an asshole
@@Soletestament That's a really compelling take. Can you elaborate more?
To actually say the words would trigger way too many viewers
I also found it stupid that all the marvel female heroes just managed to be in the same part of the battle field, as if there isn't something else they could be doing besides trying to help Captain Marvel with the gauntlet a character that can fly shoot energy blasts is strong and in my honest opinion can take most of that army solo she would need help with Thanos tho
The issue with many superheroes is that they often become commercial sellouts, a theme marvelously depicted in 'The Boys.'
Such a great show, im glad a show about how rebellion is packaged managed to get traction
amazon knows a thing or two about packaging.
The Deep didn't face any punishment for assaulting Starlight, did he? I thought he get sent for SENDING the shit out of a dolphin through his windshield.
I'll have to go back lol
At exactly the moment the fake ad said “... because you can’t be proud on an empty stomach”, I got a pop up KFC ad! 😂🤣
This is the most real take I've seen in a while. Good job.