Smoke was always an opportunist. He had a strong desire of grandeur, power, and wealth. I've no doubt he was loyal at some point, but his sense of self preservation and ego made him always look out for himself when things got tough. Kendl, called it right. And the professional goes a bit deeper on this.
Big Smoke is one tragic guy. He was just a pawn for Frank Tenpenny. Even if Big Smoke and Frank Tenpenny were sucessful. Tenpenny would have gotten rid of Smoke once Smoke's usefulness ended.
Tenpenny can’t touch Smoke on account of his protection. Tenpenny went to kill Smoke once he heard his hideout was attacked by Grove Street, seeing this as an opportunity to rub out CJ and Smoke and grab his drug money.
KJV Matthew 4:4 "But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread[food] alone, *but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God."* KJV Deuteronomy 8:3 "And He humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that He might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live."
Also notice Big Smoke's line "Same thangs make us laugh....make us cry". Implying Smoke being a funny memorable character but was responsible for so much tragedy in the hood.
@@reddsmoke904 My guess. Most of the people who worked on that era of GTAs was gone. Writing quality dropped. GTA V isn't half the game San Andreas was.
Smoke waiting in Sweet's house to kill him never made sense to me because wouldn't he use a gun if he was? Why would he come at Sweet with a bat and why would he yell "You picked the wrong house"
@@szacntrl I mean, you don't really have to have it as your job. At some point in your life you will meet someone with a bong. Won't take long either. Doing weed is the most common thing ever. Smoke shops exists almost everywhere and sell bongs. I live near like 3 or 6?
@@LalaRojas-jd5rc Theres 2 where I live (and its a very small town). I know people smoke weed all the time. The smell gets on my nerves though. It stinks.
Melvin Harris was weak, easily corrupted by the easy way of making money, even tho that way was not honest at all. But he still had principles (in a strange way) He knows that once inside that game there is no way out because of his fear. The Fear of Tenpenny, that could kill him any moment.
Well.... at least people remember Big Smoke, it's what he wanted, right? Joke aside, there were plenty of obvious signs that Big Smoke was an opportunist and small little indications that hint and foreshadow his betrayal: The introduction, living in Idlewood (Ballas territory), wanting to go to Cluckin' Bell in Ballas territory and the infamous order, saying little slick metaphors here and there, C.R.A.S.H. being at his house, him constantly defending crack cocaine, the fact that none of his missions do anything to benefit Grove Street, even his own name "BS", Kendl even called it out at the end too. Not to mention the WCTR station. Good video as always though, bro.
One thing I want to mention is that in the final mission, Big Smoke was NOT on crack. Now I’ve never used the stuff personally but I have never ever heard or seen crack be consumed in a bong; it was always the bowl (pipe). Also, the bubbling & coughing sounds and Smoke sayin that’s some good shit definitely gives off “marijuana” vibes than “crack” vibes. And yes while I do know everything effects everyone differently, I highly doubt crack especially smoked in a bong would allow Smoke to do anything let alone go on the ramble that he did.
You got to read between the lines you could see that Melvin was a betrayer.. literally from the first minute that CJ walked inside the house and then he confronted him with the baseball bat the way that he was talking Melvin said that the way that this" had" to "happen this way" just with that line alone you can already tell...his "involvment"
You goated for this analysis bro. Never knew Smoke was speaking with metaphors in the Drive-Thru cutscene. And I have had to beat San Andreas like 7 times at this point.
I’ve been on a binge in this channel. The way you narrate the plot of this series and point out details in this franchise makes it so much better. Do you take requests and what is your favorite game in this series and what is the best game overall?
I like how rockstar didn’t just let us see it coming but they hinted at it throughout the game to let us know this man is a traitor. Like the beginning line “ I knew that fat fuck would see it our way” i didn’t think about big smoke at the time thinking they were talking about him.
Honestly big smoke try to bring the team up to the top wit em but sweet wasn’t hearing him being tooo worried bout grove street that’s why CJ went legit
"Big Smoke" was like that one friend we all have or known that thought big & was into some shady dealings to make his ambitions to a reality..... you rock with him but but you never know he was working with the police...Then by the time you found out what he's into....you then realize you got to take him out under your own orders A lot people would be hurt or offed including you if you didnt take out your homie .....! 😊🤔😊🤔😊🤔😊🤔
Sweet should have expanded his network if he was anti-drugs. CJ's love of cars literally made him rich in hindsight. He was able to meet and go legit with Woozie just because he won a race in the country. CJ's wealth is what ultimately revived Grove St. It didn't take slinging drugs.
@@AvrahamDiallo His voice actor finished all his lines. He said that in a video. Ryder will leave CJ if the old man who you are robbing for guns wakes up...kind of a sign of betrayal coming soon ngl.
@@wrench4203 I'm not sure my self. All we know is CJ "Let Brian Die" and then went to Liberty City. Other Families OGs died while CJ was gone too as referenced during the Sweet and Kendl cutscene. But I'm not sure any of that is CJ's fault. The game HEAVILY implies Sweet being a lazy small minded leader in CJ's absence. Grove St's downfall imo was mostly Sweet's fault. Smoke, Ryder, and even the Seville Blvd. set lost respect for him as a leader. The reason Grove St. was revived in the first AND second place was due to CJ.
Only people who live poor can understand why he did what he did but I'm not justifying it I'm just telling you when you live poor and you're homeless and you don't even have a quarter in your pocket for a very long time and you see the whole world with all the riches that they have and all the money that they have and the girls and everything that they have and just rub it in your face every single day and you're just there with no money and basically homeless you do anything to get it anything can anybody who is poor and homeless understands what that feels like bro and if you're not you fear one of these trust fund babies with a silver spoon up your ass from day one you'd never understand the reason why that desperation makes you do crazy things
You know when playing that GTA 5 multiple times, even though I don’t play it anymore, it was by far the weakest story of the series. GTA 4 for me personally is the best story of them all.
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20:11 I understand where he's coming from with that... only people who had to go through what he went through would understand where that's coming from... outside the game Real Talk real life talk
And even at that point when CJ confronted Melvin he was still naive he didn't understand what was going on that's CJ's biggest downfall is that he's too damn naive
19:55 only people that lived in poverty could understand what why Melvin did what he did but at the same time I wouldn't have done what he did no matter how much they offered me and they knew that they couldn't go and proposition sweet because sweet would never have gone for it they could only go to Melvin because they knew that he was living under the thumb of the families the whole time Melvin grew up poor and he didn't have any money before that deal so he was in that point of desperation only people who have been through that poverty and being poor could understand not justifying his actions though better way to make the money is legit it's going to take more time and it's going to be more difficult but it's a much better route to take and for CJ to have gotten to the point where he was at that point CJ was a millionaire and he had to go through a living nightmare to get there sure he had to bend the rules but sometimes that's what you have to do he didn't betray his own family
20:38 he says what the fuck do you care because he just left and he left the family just on their own to fend for themselves and then they crumbled so he didn't care and then he thinks he could just Waltz back right in there and thinks that everyone's just going to forgive him
Grove St. downfall wasn't CJ's fault G. The game implies Sweet losing the gang's respect. CJ wasn't even capable of stopping the drug game UNTIL he was exiled from Los Santos and got rich. So I'm not so sure Grove St. was left to fend for themselves. CJ greatly expanding his network outside of Grove St and Los Santos was the best thing to ever happen to Grove St. Especially since Sweet was anti-drugs. If Sweet didn't want to sell drugs then he should of found other ways to strengthen the gang. Sweet was lazy and small-minded and had no rebuttal to CJ when told "the world is bigger than this hood".
Ngl you and theprofessional should pair up and do lore videos together
Ong
Fax but this channels videos is more polished
the professionals videos are dogshit compared to this
I forgot abt him😢😂
That dudes voice is so hard to listen to i feel like he needs to blow his nose all the time
Smoke was always an opportunist. He had a strong desire of grandeur, power, and wealth. I've no doubt he was loyal at some point, but his sense of self preservation and ego made him always look out for himself when things got tough. Kendl, called it right. And the professional goes a bit deeper on this.
Grandeur isnt a desire rather is a state of mind.
He didnt wanna die a broke gang banger sweet was a idiot he destroyed the neighborhood thru banging but didn't wanna sell crack lol
Big Smoke is one tragic guy. He was just a pawn for Frank Tenpenny. Even if Big Smoke and Frank Tenpenny were sucessful. Tenpenny would have gotten rid of Smoke once Smoke's usefulness ended.
Agreed
Tenpenny can’t touch Smoke on account of his protection. Tenpenny went to kill Smoke once he heard his hideout was attacked by Grove Street, seeing this as an opportunity to rub out CJ and Smoke and grab his drug money.
KJV Matthew 4:4 "But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread[food] alone, *but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God."*
KJV Deuteronomy 8:3 "And He humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that He might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live."
6:41 i never saw the Im Hungry quote like this but it makes SO MUCH SENSE! Especially since he been saying lil slick shit the whole time.
Also notice Big Smoke's line "Same thangs make us laugh....make us cry". Implying Smoke being a funny memorable character but was responsible for so much tragedy in the hood.
@trongray664 man how tf we go from this to GTA 5 storyline...
@@reddsmoke904 My guess. Most of the people who worked on that era of GTAs was gone. Writing quality dropped. GTA V isn't half the game San Andreas was.
*”When I’m gone, everybody gonna remember my name…..BIG SMOKE!”*
MELVIN HARRIS!🗣
Smoke waiting in Sweet's house to kill him never made sense to me because wouldn't he use a gun if he was? Why would he come at Sweet with a bat and why would he yell "You picked the wrong house"
Bc he saw it wasn’t sweets
Thats crazy i never realized he smoked crack before the final fight i always thought it was a bong
That’s because it is a bong & it isn’t crack.
@@Tye2K Ik crazy how people can't tell the difference 🤦♀️
@@LalaRojas-jd5rci mean who is tryna educate themselves on drugs like that? Unless its their job.
@@szacntrl I mean, you don't really have to have it as your job. At some point in your life you will meet someone with a bong. Won't take long either. Doing weed is the most common thing ever. Smoke shops exists almost everywhere and sell bongs. I live near like 3 or 6?
@@LalaRojas-jd5rc Theres 2 where I live (and its a very small town). I know people smoke weed all the time. The smell gets on my nerves though. It stinks.
You so underrated 🙏🏾
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@@nth_productions3319very 💯
“Melvin Harris”💀😭. No wonder why he called himself Big Smoke 🤣
This guys a gangster? His name melvin😂
Not everybody’s name is Daquan Johnson 😂
Melvin Harris was weak, easily corrupted by the easy way of making money, even tho that way was not honest at all. But he still had principles (in a strange way)
He knows that once inside that game there is no way out because of his fear. The Fear of Tenpenny, that could kill him any moment.
Melvin "Big Smoke Harris. He was right, everyone would remember his name.
Thank you for this one 💯was always confused about who was on the phone with tenpenny in the beginning makes more sense now
Tragic because Ryder and Smoke were my favorite side characters
Do the demise of lance Vance too.
Well.... at least people remember Big Smoke, it's what he wanted, right? Joke aside, there were plenty of obvious signs that Big Smoke was an opportunist and small little indications that hint and foreshadow his betrayal: The introduction, living in Idlewood (Ballas territory), wanting to go to Cluckin' Bell in Ballas territory and the infamous order, saying little slick metaphors here and there, C.R.A.S.H. being at his house, him constantly defending crack cocaine, the fact that none of his missions do anything to benefit Grove Street, even his own name "BS", Kendl even called it out at the end too. Not to mention the WCTR station. Good video as always though, bro.
keep these vids up. randomly got recommended this channel after lookin at gta 4 again 💯
I had a student who was able to recite the entirety of his order at the cluckin bell from memory
😂
@@szacntrl
It was even funnier in person 🤣
One thing I want to mention is that in the final mission, Big Smoke was NOT on crack. Now I’ve never used the stuff personally but I have never ever heard or seen crack be consumed in a bong; it was always the bowl (pipe). Also, the bubbling & coughing sounds and Smoke sayin that’s some good shit definitely gives off “marijuana” vibes than “crack” vibes. And yes while I do know everything effects everyone differently, I highly doubt crack especially smoked in a bong would allow Smoke to do anything let alone go on the ramble that he did.
2:38 SAMUEL L JACKSON is so good 😂
Keep em comin bra, great ass lore telling 💯🔥
Big Smoke: and I said mom, I want to be a savior
also Big Smoke
Big Smoke: *I was an orphan*
breh
Do you know how one becomes an orphan? Bc I promise you they still had parents….
You got to read between the lines you could see that Melvin was a betrayer.. literally from
the first minute that CJ walked inside the house and then he confronted him with the baseball bat the way
that he was talking Melvin said that the way that this" had" to "happen this way" just with that line alone you can already tell...his "involvment"
Bro learn proper Grammer. Your comment looks like it was written by a 3 year old
Smokes double play with words is crazy, the drive thru mission cutscene reslly did just lay the whole thing out
A2TMFK--his car's license plate spells out exactly what he was. A two timing motherfucker.
At that 14:00 mark point a little ahead dis you hear big smoke lie about being a orphan that's low
Being an orphan doesn’t mean you never had parents. Amazing that I’ve now had to explain this twice in this comments section.
You goated for this analysis bro. Never knew Smoke was speaking with metaphors in the Drive-Thru cutscene. And I have had to beat San Andreas like 7 times at this point.
You do the best character analysis ive seen
I’ve been on a binge in this channel. The way you narrate the plot of this series and point out details in this franchise makes it so much better.
Do you take requests and what is your favorite game in this series and what is the best game overall?
One of the best gta channels
the perfect follow up to this would be a vid on CRASH!!
I like how rockstar didn’t just let us see it coming but they hinted at it throughout the game to let us know this man is a traitor. Like the beginning line “ I knew that fat fuck would see it our way” i didn’t think about big smoke at the time thinking they were talking about him.
At least he was a gangster. The Notorious Big Smoke!!
15:20 CJ was too light on Sweet about this. As much as Sweet was on CJ the whole game?
This is gold please do more
Big Smoke was the second in command of the gang. The Grove street gang.
I really hope you’re getting paid for the videos. You deserve it and so much more.
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Good Video. As usual.
bro the way you explain it was discovery type of shit total fire keep going am sub. sorry my english bad.
Honestly big smoke try to bring the team up to the top wit em but sweet wasn’t hearing him being tooo worried bout grove street that’s why CJ went legit
Love this channel
"Big Smoke" was like that one friend we all have or known that thought big & was into some shady dealings to make his ambitions to a reality..... you rock with him but but you never know he was working with the police...Then by the time you found out what he's into....you then realize you got to take him out under your own orders A lot people would be hurt or offed including you if you didnt take out your homie .....!
😊🤔😊🤔😊🤔😊🤔
Smoke was the smartest one because Grove St still got took over from the Ballas, Sweet should of just got hip to the streets
Sweet should have expanded his network if he was anti-drugs. CJ's love of cars literally made him rich in hindsight. He was able to meet and go legit with Woozie just because he won a race in the country. CJ's wealth is what ultimately revived Grove St. It didn't take slinging drugs.
Love these videos
Keep the videos coming 👍
What a ⭐ studded roster of voice actors..
Bro you make me want to buy the game again and beat it 3 times
Dope✅️💯🔥
18:00 damn I didnt know “finna” was a word back in the 2000s
Why come I never seen that scene of them 3 dudes @1:19
can you make lore about crime life gang war game? the story is good too
Ryder was not a traitor
He was.
@@szacntrl Nope his voice actor left
@@AvrahamDiallo His voice actor finished all his lines. He said that in a video. Ryder will leave CJ if the old man who you are robbing for guns wakes up...kind of a sign of betrayal coming soon ngl.
GTA SA should be made into a series, I sweat it'll pop
Melvin harris 😭😭😭😭
Carl Johnson!
“I don’t give a fuck, fuck the whole world”
4:23 "Man what fuckin book?"
As a matter of fact CJ was about 95% responsible for all these problems ironically enough this whole story is just filled with irony
How so?
@@wrench4203 I'm not sure my self. All we know is CJ "Let Brian Die" and then went to Liberty City. Other Families OGs died while CJ was gone too as referenced during the Sweet and Kendl cutscene. But I'm not sure any of that is CJ's fault. The game HEAVILY implies Sweet being a lazy small minded leader in CJ's absence. Grove St's downfall imo was mostly Sweet's fault. Smoke, Ryder, and even the Seville Blvd. set lost respect for him as a leader. The reason Grove St. was revived in the first AND second place was due to CJ.
B dup is a strait busta
You're my new best friend, we're having soft tacos later
What’s in the package, smoke?
San andreas neeeds an Hd remake
Is big smoke and pinky the same voice??
Was that game playing B dub
The dude that says only thing that matters is the game Big Bear get your ass over here he kind of sounds like the rapper game
It is lol
@@KBRandoo okay got you LOL
Also Big Bear is Big Boi
@@reddsmoke904 thanks for telling me I forgot all about that
@@reddsmoke904 sorry I didn't reply right away I work so I didn't get a chance to reply
it sad to know big Smoke being black sheep
Only people who live poor can understand why he did what he did but I'm not justifying it I'm just telling you when you live poor
and you're homeless and you don't even have a quarter in your pocket for a very long time and you see the whole world with all the riches that they have and all the money that they have and the girls and everything that they have and just rub it in your face every
single day and you're just there with no money and basically homeless you do anything to get it anything can anybody who is poor and homeless understands
what that feels like bro and if you're not you fear one of these trust fund babies with a silver spoon up your ass from day one you'd never understand the reason why that desperation makes you do crazy things
would all of this have happened if CJ's mom survived and they got sweet instead?
1:38 "random thug 1"😂
This why I didn't like gta v's story. I hope gta 6 has a good story.
You know when playing that GTA 5 multiple times, even though I don’t play it anymore, it was by far the weakest story of the series. GTA 4 for me personally is the best story of them all.
There is no redemption in the afterlife for eternity if you don’t accept Jesus Christ in this life. Don’t let it to be late. Wash your sins by accepting Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and savior!
20:11 I understand where he's coming from with that...
only people who had to go through what he went through would understand where that's coming from... outside the game Real Talk real life talk
And even at that point when CJ confronted Melvin he was still naive he didn't understand what was going on that's CJ's biggest downfall is that he's too damn naive
Melvin was like a father to cj and he betrayed him ...😢
19:55 only people that lived in poverty could understand
what why Melvin did what he did but at the same time I wouldn't have done what he did no matter how much they offered me and they knew that they couldn't go and proposition sweet because sweet would never have gone for it they could only go to Melvin
because they knew that he was living under the thumb of the families the whole time
Melvin grew up poor and he didn't have any money before that deal so he was in that point of desperation only people who have been through
that poverty and being poor could understand not justifying his actions though better way to make the money is legit it's going to take more time and it's going
to be more difficult but it's a much better route to take and for CJ to have gotten to the point where he was at that point CJ was a millionaire and he had
to go through a living nightmare to get there sure he had to bend the rules but sometimes that's what you have to do he didn't betray his own family
20:38 he says what the fuck do you care because he just left and he left the family just on their own to
fend for themselves and then they crumbled so he didn't care and then he thinks he could just
Waltz back right in there and thinks that everyone's just going to forgive him
Grove St. downfall wasn't CJ's fault G. The game implies Sweet losing the gang's respect. CJ wasn't even capable of stopping the drug game UNTIL he was exiled from Los Santos and got rich. So I'm not so sure Grove St. was left to fend for themselves. CJ greatly expanding his network outside of Grove St and Los Santos was the best thing to ever happen to Grove St. Especially since Sweet was anti-drugs. If Sweet didn't want to sell drugs then he should of found other ways to strengthen the gang. Sweet was lazy and small-minded and had no rebuttal to CJ when told "the world is bigger than this hood".