Absolutely agree on that mate.Way too much noise/latency/convertion for the sakes of ''options''.Biggest freedom is knowing what you do and eliminate unnesesary actions.
I’ve fought with this over the years in studio and live settings with patch bays and the inconsistencies in sound quality. My grandmother told me a story about when she was younger and worked as a telephone operator for Time magazine. I feel like this was the only practical use of a patch bay since changing connections were so frequent. I have a Samson S Patch that has been the most reliable and useful. Cheers from Nj !!
You are CORRECT. I keep processes of all kinds to an absolute MINIMUM. Every inductor, resistor, capacitor, switch. pot, etc. etc. adds noise and distortion. Microscopic, yes, but ADDITIVE. Keep your signal path as short and UNINTERRRUPTED as possible. And these AD / DA conversions ? AS FEW AS POSSIB LE. Conversion errors ADD UP ! Best regards, Bill P.
@@michaeld4224WHAT ? Resistors don't add noise ? Well that's new ! Resistors are a prime source of thermal noise. Look up "Nyquist Noise" and learn some thing new. Inductors, capacitors, wire, circuit traces work wonders with A.C. hum. Every movable connector like switches contacts, plugs, jacks are also noise sources due to oxidation and skin oils, etc. Gold plated contacts exist for a reason. Of course there's always 'Flicker noise", 'Burst noise' etc. to add to the fun. Leaky and off spec. capacitors are a headache. There's more ! Should I go on ?
For mastering I would say you would still be better with a SPL Hermes or hardwiring your chain. The Flock is great and the best rival to the Hermes and other mastering routers.
This video is from 10 months ago. I installedthe Flock a week ago. A standard patchbay I would not recommend. However, a patchbay like a Flock Audio patch is a great addition. This is why after testing one, I installed one.
How much conversion degrade the signal ? How many times ? If you make like 5 conversion with I/o plug ins in a mastering chain , you think it would degrade de signal, is going to affect the final result ?. Anyway the patch ay for me is the worst deshicimos, to much cables, noise and all you say.
For me it all about what is actually necessary and why perform an unnecessary action such as adding conversion. So for me converting more than once out and once in is unnecessary.
XP-Relay from CB electronics. I can't hear any noise or degradation. Also, can you spot in one single AD/DA roundtrip in a blindtest? Seriously? The average plugin does far more damage to the signal, so don't fret about one ADDA trip.
You do 16 counts of ADDA conversion you will 100% hear it. You can't be seriously saying you can't hear that. It's very noticeable even to an untrained ear. Nobody ever said anything about a degraded sound from 1 single round-trip.
@@AudioAnimalsStudio fair enough, but why would you make 16 roundtrips when mastering? Just make it analog, send it through your units and convert back again. Maybe I'm missing something.
@Ignace Dhont exactly my point. It's mental. If you listen to the video I clearly say it's not a good idea and I know so many people that Master in this way.
@@AudioAnimalsStudio OK if we're talking about a situation were someone uses their audio interface in/outs as a kind of patchbay, I completely agree :)
Absolutely agree on that mate.Way too much noise/latency/convertion for the sakes of ''options''.Biggest freedom is knowing what you do and eliminate unnesesary actions.
I’ve fought with this over the years in studio and live settings with patch bays and the inconsistencies in sound quality. My grandmother told me a story about when she was younger and worked as a telephone operator for Time magazine. I feel like this was the only practical use of a patch bay since changing connections were so frequent. I have a Samson S Patch that has been the most reliable and useful. Cheers from Nj !!
GREAT INPUT!!!
Out of curiosity, would this thought process include a "Flock Patchbay"?
(I ask for those of us who are new to many processes).
Do you think the Flock audio patchbays are mastering grade?
@karnobmusic perfectly good for mastering. Before installing them in my studios I tested them with little to no difference
I am 💯 percent in kuhutz with you on this subject!
You are CORRECT.
I keep processes of all kinds to an absolute MINIMUM.
Every inductor, resistor, capacitor, switch. pot, etc. etc. adds noise and distortion.
Microscopic, yes, but ADDITIVE.
Keep your signal path as short and UNINTERRRUPTED as possible.
And these AD / DA conversions ?
AS FEW AS POSSIB LE.
Conversion errors ADD UP !
Best regards,
Bill P.
@@michaeld4224WHAT ?
Resistors don't add noise ?
Well that's new !
Resistors are a prime source of thermal noise.
Look up "Nyquist Noise" and learn some thing new.
Inductors, capacitors, wire, circuit traces work wonders with A.C. hum.
Every movable connector like switches contacts, plugs, jacks are also noise sources due to oxidation and skin oils, etc.
Gold plated contacts exist for a reason.
Of course there's always 'Flicker noise", 'Burst noise' etc. to add to the fun.
Leaky and off spec. capacitors are a headache.
There's more !
Should I go on ?
"Correct?
Are you inferring that another's approach would be INcorrect?
@@sekritskworl-sekrit_studios I gave a concise and complete explanation, no futher explanation needed.
Read into it what you like.
How many units does your audio go through, and can you bypass the units you don't wanna use ?
Goes through probably 20 units. I can Bypass if I need to but I honestly have a use for every unit even if it is small.
Insert Switcher?
How do you feel about the Flock Audio Patch?
For mastering I would say you would still be better with a SPL Hermes or hardwiring your chain. The Flock is great and the best rival to the Hermes and other mastering routers.
I thought you used flock audio patch, is this something you don’t use or recommend anymore?
This video is from 10 months ago. I installedthe Flock a week ago. A standard patchbay I would not recommend. However, a patchbay like a Flock Audio patch is a great addition. This is why after testing one, I installed one.
How much conversion degrade the signal ? How many times ? If you make like 5 conversion with I/o plug ins in a mastering chain , you think it would degrade de signal, is going to affect the final result ?. Anyway the patch ay for me is the worst deshicimos, to much cables, noise and all you say.
For me it all about what is actually necessary and why perform an unnecessary action such as adding conversion. So for me converting more than once out and once in is unnecessary.
XP-Relay from CB electronics. I can't hear any noise or degradation. Also, can you spot in one single AD/DA roundtrip in a blindtest? Seriously? The average plugin does far more damage to the signal, so don't fret about one ADDA trip.
You do 16 counts of ADDA conversion you will 100% hear it. You can't be seriously saying you can't hear that. It's very noticeable even to an untrained ear. Nobody ever said anything about a degraded sound from 1 single round-trip.
@@AudioAnimalsStudio fair enough, but why would you make 16 roundtrips when mastering? Just make it analog, send it through your units and convert back again. Maybe I'm missing something.
@Ignace Dhont exactly my point. It's mental. If you listen to the video I clearly say it's not a good idea and I know so many people that Master in this way.
@@AudioAnimalsStudio OK if we're talking about a situation were someone uses their audio interface in/outs as a kind of patchbay, I completely agree :)
@@ignacedhont9816 yes that is exactly what I talked about towards the end of the video.