I’m rewatching this and I wish I was more in the conversation. All of this contributed to me retiring early. The district adopted a curriculum that took books out of the kids’ hands! It was unbelievable to me! The teacher was expected to walk around reading from a script and all reading lessons involved drill on a smart board, while I tried to keep my place in the script and keep the recommended pace! It was horrible to be treated like the least important part of the instruction! They could use a robot to do what they wanted me to do! Teachers as individuals who brought something unique to the classroom was no longer valued. Each classroom was expected to be cut from the exact same cloth and sound, look and feel identical. SMH.
Yes, this is one of my greatest concerns. There have been some very fuzzy, loose reading curriculums widely implemented over the past couple of decades, and they have been rightfully discredited. However, replacing this with a micro-comtrolled system that takes all of the creativity and professional judgment out of the teachers' hands is just as bad. We have to get to a place where teachers are given the time, opportunity, resources, and support needed to craft a curriculum that works for their specific school and the students they serve. I tried, mostly I'm vain, to help schools do this type of planning.
@@garyloss2878 I had a curriculum for my students that I created. My masters is in Curriculum Development. One example: I wrote my own poetry and there was a poem each week, used daily. After reading it and doing any accompanying motions, the students would come up and interact with the text, by circling High Frequency Words that had been introduced, letters, clusters, digraphs, etc.-whatever was a focus that week. They loved this activity and we’d read the poem again afterwards. The level of engagement was exciting. They felt such ownership of their learning. Anyway, just one piece of what we did. There was no longer time for this activity and so many others. A social-emotional scripted curriculum took the place of student engagement in play and the natural learning and conversation through play and shared activities. There was no time to cooperate, share, reason, and interact while building, doing a floor puzzle, painting, etc. There was no time. They had to be fed the scripted curriculum about how to share, work together, listen to others’ ideas. The opportunity to learn by doing disappeared in the classroom. My Masters Thesis was SSGP (Semantics, Syntax, Grapho-Phonics-A Fully Integrated Reading Approach.) It worked so well and allowed for a variety of text interactions that met individual needs and learning styles. It felt magical and I’m thankful that, for a time, it was respected and I was allowed to implement it. Now that I’m retired, my grandchildren benefit. 😊 They say, “You’re my teacher now.” I’m blessed.
So sad. Teachers need time and opportunities to experiment in thoughtful, informed ways that translates theory into practical applications. This focus on SEL at the expense of cognitive growth is idiotic and counterproductive to meaningful learning.
@@garyloss2878 “idiotic” is exactly the right word! There were three types of teachers when I retired: 1) Those who spoke reason and were branded a malcontent. (Me) 😂 2) Those who spoke reason behind closed doors, but wouldn’t speak up. 3) Those who didn’t have any understanding of cognitive development, the processes involved in learning, and who were just happy to have a script and click the mouse for the next screen in the “reading program.” I don’t see any light at the end of the tunnel. There’s big money in these programs and the two years of teacher training they attach to it. It was like trying to get another Masters degree-a degree in something I didn’t agree with, but had to become proficient in, especially because I spoke up. Once you speak up you’re suspected of deviating from the program and watched closely. Educational reform seems unlikely. It saddens me for the children, including my grandchildren. I see the idiocy around what “school looks like” already in my granddaughter’s Pre-K. It’s obvious her teachers don’t have a strong foundation in early childhood development.
That’s very weird, is there a name for this curriculum?? Do schools in different states have different curriculums? Aren’t they still changing the curriculums being used? I heard of the SEL curriculum for social emotional.. I’m not sure if this is the new curriculum that you spoke about
At one time, I tutored elementary school children in reading. A parent asked me why their child didn't want to read. I looked around at the gigantic TV, all the tech stuff in the room, and...not a single book anywhere. I suggested the parents buy some books and let the child see him / her reading with enjoyment. And then read to the child themselves every night. They looked at me like I'd just landed from Mars.
We have all the tech stuff too but right by the tv is a big bookshelf full, and another on the other side of the room and another in my kid's room. We have "reading time" every evening to wind down and go to sleep. The day my baby was born I read her a book. I have not missed a day since reading with her and she is 10. Some nights now she reads to me and some nights we each read our own books but we read every single day. My daughter could read before she started kindergarten and we did not do preschool. She also knew all her letters and colors. She could count to twenty and add small numbers like 2 and 3 as well. At school they taught phonics and decoding and all that which I don't really know how to teach. She is at an eighth grade reading level now.
I went to the children's section of the public library for a book reading from a new author. There were kids ranging in ages from toddlers to preschoolers. It blew me away how those kids were focused on the book being read. They sat quietly and listened to the entire story. I ask the librarian about it, she said those were the kids that parents brought them in weekly for story time. Go figure.
I really can’t say that works . I honestly think some kids like it and others don’t. Having books and endless reading adventures with kids doesn’t guaranty readers it isn’t as simple as that
When some of the laziest teachers are rewarded for being popular and some of the hardest working teachers are constantly under the microscope for holding kids accountable, setting boundaries, and challenging kids..... something is really messed up.
I was the IEP single parent mom that advocated for accountability and pulling back supports. Instead the system gave us cattle herding, CYA staff and teachers that just wanted to get thru the school year without any real progress. I spent every free moment in my work day researching best practices and creating supports for home use. Meanwhile the IA ( or IH) with my kid all day was prohibited from speaking to me and kept in the dark, allowed to pack my child’s backpack and hand in his homework. I’m here for the long run.
Kids are not adults! They can't speak like you. It's not excusable, but it is totally understandable that they bleed all over everyone else given the fact that they don't. Know how. To advocate. For themselves. The system is underfunded. Yes, it is that fucking simple. It is fucking politics. You want it to stop? Stop believing that the cure is to continue to treat youth as a monolith and start advocating for funding so we can get screening, more counselors, therapeutic techniques, and open and honest conversations via assembelies to students and faculty. Talk candidly about different youth crisis situations and the resources that can be gleaned. It's not the solution, but its a start. That's why we need funding and troubleshooting. They are not spiting you, they are more than likely testing the limits to ensure that they are safe to trust that adults will do the right thing for their situations, because of attachment deficits, lack of socialization, and abusive/neglectful parents
Every like on the comment above is straight up willful ignorance. It's not your job to like kids or to lile working with them, but it is your job to think a little more critically about things. Disappointed.
I absolutely agree. However, these are the consequences of trauma and systematic racism and disadvantaged communities. There is no escaping or moving out of the neighborhood. We reap what is sowed and the ignorance regardless of whether it is systematic, willful, or both...crosses boundaries and affects the entire population.
My nephew is by far one of the most disrespectful children I’ve met in my life. And I’m empathetic to his situation, because he didn’t grow up with the best background of no fault of his own. However, parents need to understand that they are making it harder for people to want to be there for their kids. I’m slowly feeling my empathy for him go away. When doesn’t get his way for the smallest thing, he will threaten you, become violent, spit at you, cuss you out, etc. I just can’t deal with that level of disrespect, because it’s completely unnecessary.
He is not your responsibility at all but he needs intervention by professionals. I hope someone is called and he is removed. The parents, in situations like this, need to be held accountable. If he ends up in prison from committing a crime because his empathy is destroyed, the world isn't going to care what they did in the home. If he does not know a different way he is lost. Sone people from bad circumstances have been lucky enough to see a different way, too many aren't lucky.
@@maryl234 the classroom teacher has it awfully bad....horrible and they are so underpaid for the time and effort they put in....plus their retirement is the stingiest
My sister and I grew up below the poverty line, and we were smart kids. My parents had no money for college, and we knew that. Despite our understanding of our family's financial situation, when my sister attempted to transfer to our local trade school, she was denied by administrators. They told her that because her grades were in the top 25 of her peers, they wouldn't authorize the transfer. We never went to college and instead entered the workforce at a disadvantage with no real marketable skills. Every situation is different, and institutionalized education doesn't allow for those differences.
Man I was in a very similar boat. I joined the military to pay for my education but even then the difference in schooling was huge. I took a marketing class where I had to work pretty hard because everything was new and I remember overhearing kids in the back talking about how this was covered in their HS marketing classes and I didn't even know high schools offered marketing classes. The only ones we had outside of the normal was woodworking and autobody. The place where you grow up really has a huge influence on your destination in life. Even if it's just about expectations. What we were expected to do for careers was clear to us based on what our school had to offer.
Ya know, my kids are strong academically and would be prepped for college. We live in a place that has all the fancy classes…but with the state of higher education being mostly indoctrination camps now, and the massive shifts in culture…I’d encourage my kids to go to a trade school.
And home-school is ideal! Most successful entrepreneurs were home-schooled just saying...but they don't want those kinds of success stories...just Like George Carlin said; They want people just smart enough to turn the knobs and flip the switches but not smart enough to understand the function behind the curtain. (Paraphrasing hardcore LOL But he's 100% correct)
@@insights3140I would too, or to help with my business if they like...even an independent job that fits their talents. Homeschool is ideal. My kids are still both under 12 years old. But we have been teaching them practical skills and even prepping them for "careers" for many years now. My oldest disabled son has always been obsessed with physical things like pushing buttons, flipping switches etc and sounds! At first I was pessimistic- he was 7 and still could spend all day experimenting like that if we let him. I thought it was mindless. Then I realized it's like sound engineering in many ways. So we started to focus on building up knowledge of music in general, instrument variety/class, tone/pitch etc...different software exposure. He might never do that or make a lot of money doing it. But it makes us feel optimistic and he has more confidence. And this isn't the same as other kids obviously...some yeah. But it's not a "one size fits all" , public school pushes that. So does private school. I went to Catholic School until Middle, (my friends and I were advanced vs the public school kids), and then college later. I'm grateful I didn't continue to getting a clinical psychology degree. My child was pushed into a public program for special needs by 3 years old! I was right to feel guilty and icky about it but I trusted the peer pressure and nonsensical "normal". For three years of preschool and pre K with summers ...we discovered abuse. Our child regressed. We were afraid to remove him from school because we were threatened even though our child wasn't the legal minimum age required until later that year. But we went with a charter school which was also a let down. Even the therapies were most often terrible and regressive. They pushed ABA like crazy 😡💩 We were exhausted with how much of the IEPs we had to write due to staff incompetency, had to fight to keep good providers. About 4/20 providers were worth the time/energy. That's in 4.5 years! Switches due to their inconsistency and also when we were able to get a vital change every once in a while. We removed our kids from that and I started to homeschool. In the first year we saw LEAPS and BOUNDS of improvement. Our mostly non verbal child that had been self-injurious, started to harm himself less, AND to talk more often. All the kids improved academically or stayed the same depending on subject. So I see the proof. Not to mention I myself have learned to unravel SO much misinformation taught in the school system. It's daunting but powerful to know...❤
I watched something about parenting styles. The big one that I locate the problems in is permissive parenting. The parents spoil the child and have no rules and no ability to discipline the kids in any meaningful way. As a result the child is both overly confident and extremely anxious and sensitive. I think that's why we see such huge escalations from kids these days. They haven't had boundaries or security (security is in having a caregiver who is authoritative but kind) and so they feel that every challenge is an existential threat. This is then massively exacerbated by parents who are not only permissive but actively support poor behaviour from the child, believe all their lies, and blame teachers for everything. My wife went through this recently, yes it's happening in the UK too, and she left her school as a result due to lack of support from the school and the vicious parents. It's not a job normal people can do anymore. You have to be made of iron.
That is the result of the ethos of our time in families and schools. The sad part is how education not only allows it, but encourages and perpetuates such destructive nonsense.
I agree. That’s what I see more parents doing AND now law makers, judges and society as a whole! People naturally want boundaries to push against. When there are no boundaries, there is nothing left to do but ratchet the behaviors/risks up!!
@@_abracadabra Basically, it's the definition of having an ego. And most kids have today have egos because their whole goal is to attain power over their peers and adult authority figures every minute of the day, viewing every natural developmental shortcoming on their end as a "failure" rather than a learning experience. Plus, they are so competitive with everybody over everything in order to attain impossible perfection so that they don't "look bad" or "sound dumb". It's mental illness at its most extreme. Not good. Not good at all.
Just the other day I had a 6th grade student, diagnosed with ADHD, who is constantly disruptive shout out "my IEP says nothing about me needing to be respectful" when I was once again was reiterating basic classroom rules & protocols - not talking out of turn, not leaving your seat, etc. Mind you, we are now into the last 6 weeks of the school year. With 2 years before my planned retirement, I am now considering the 2023-24 school year my last. As a MS Engineering teacher, I know the value of my class, but between such disrespect and students without the ability to read or add numbers, how can I expect to develop their critical thinking & creative problem solving skills?
@@danskdna8550 it's not just the few bad kids ...it's a systematic failure of the entire education system that fails to support teachers and their students. There is an overwhelming need to remediate kids with low test scores over providing career exploration. Yet, school systems don't fund remediation programs to help bring up the deficiencies of these low performing kids. Seriously, I have numerous 6th grade students with 1st & 2nd grade reading & math levels. How can they be expected to do middle school work and why are they even being promoted?
Hi Ron, this might not help you at this point, but as a member of the IEP team you can call for an IEP meeting to address this problem. A disability under IDEA is defined by it impeding the access to the general education curriculum by the student OR OTHERS. It is not unusual to have goals concerning appropriate behavior and respect on these IEPs, and you can credit him at the meeting for indicating that he needs this support (and he should definitely attend). I'm almost done with an MA in sped, beginning my career at the age of 53, so I well understand this is pissing on a forest fire, but I thought I would point it out anyway.
@@Miss_Elaine_ years ago I was teaching a HS BusEd class where I had over 15 SpEd students. I was constantly speaking with the SpEd dept head regarding strategies and one day in my frustration I asked "how does anyone survive a career in Special Education?" to which she replied with either deadpan humor or completely seriously (to this day, I'm still not sure) "alcohol". Good luck with teaching, but I'm so over it. 🙄
@@ronfriedman8740 I'm sure she was dead serious. It's really bad. I've landed in a relatively soft spot at an independent study/hybrid charter school that doesn't deal with the level of crazy affecting most brick and mortar schools. The irony is that I may never work as a sped teacher there! But at least I don't feel like drinking half of a fifth of vodka at the end of the day. Cheers to us as we witness the implosion of public education in the US.
Covid was a vacation for kids becuz there was no onus for them to turn up online and any slight cough allowed them 2 days out of school yet nothing was wrong with them and they knew it!!😂😂😂
My dad is a grade 2 teacher and he’s got one student in class who is consistently violent towards other students and has multiple meltdowns per day. He’s probably traumatized by something but he is creating trauma in other students, as the other kids are terrified of him. The school admin is refusing to discipline him or remove him from the class or get him behavioral counseling.
I had a kid like that in my class once. It was because he had a disability but his mom was in denial and wouldn’t get him any help because she was convinced there was nothing wrong with him.
The worst thing to do is bend reality and indulge bad behavior , whatever the cause. I am an LCSW and have been working with kids and teens since 1984. The mental health and education fields have gone off the rails with indulging/ excusing and subsequently facilitating destructive behavior in the name of compassion.
I’m a sixth grade English teacher trying to maintain high standards in a society that works against me and devalues my work with a district that keeps dumbing down the curriculum and enabling disruptive and aggressive students in the name of equity.
Dear Victoria, What I'm about to say will not directly help your current teaching delimnas but perhaps it will soothe your heart a wee bit. I am a Baby Boomer born 11 Feb 55. I will be 69 in a few months. Please forgive my grammatical errors as you read... I was one of those rare children who took solace in school. I wa one of those rare children who loved being around grownups. I didn't like my peers, they did not like me either. The bullying started in 2nd grade and has continued steadily to this day via the work environments. Most likely due to leaning towards possessing a thoughtful curious intellect. I drove many a math teacher to anger with misbehavior. At 32yrs old on the suggestion of a physician I spent $200 on a series of tests at a psychologist office for learning disabilities. This Physician had given me some simple math problems that I answered to which he replied "Are you aware your flipping your numbers around?". A horrifying light came on... no wonder I had been fired from EVERY job I ever had that required making change, that REQUIRED knowing how to count (1970's). The outcome of these tests was devastating. Dyscalculaia. Severe short term memory deficit. Severe Math phobia ie: likened to paralyzing stage fright . I elected to take myself to incest counseling. ( I started getting raped at 4) My mother had been getting raped herself at 4 (1937). Her own mother had been an unwanted orphan being handed off to one set of relatives after another. This grandma (born 1891) eventually became a maid for a college president who allowed her to go to college! She was also taught within that family structure 'The Ways of a Lady'. Grandma became a Flapper ( they were actually feminists). She bobbed her hair, smoked cigarettes (in her kitchen in the dark) and worked selling shoes. But the family tree was sadly laddened with profound mental illness. Schizophrenia. BI-polar. Clinical Depression. SAD ( Seasonal Affective Disorder) Hyper-Sexuality (old term: Nymphomania). ADHD. OCD. These illnesses gentically passed downfrom one generation to the next. Nothing short of a horrifying list. My grand niece recently diagnosed with Dyscaculia. She is interested in NOTHING. But then she has Cystic Fibrosis and from where she stands on the cliff's edge, now being 18yrs, it is simply one more step forward to being finished. I watched her Aunt waste away from the same disease. My point in sharing these Grimm Fairyrales is that Teachers end up being burdened with the compilation of generational horrors, mishaps and mental illnesses. I have met the loveliest of retired teachers here and there who continued to have close connections with former students as the students grew into adults w families of their own. My Aunt Jean was one such teacher. Another older retired teacher I met at a coffee shop told me she had 'adult' students she still met with for breakfast get-togethers. What a wonderful homage to jobs well done in helping to form young mind, whether educationally or character
Dear Victoria, I accidentally hit 'send'... I don't know your age or how long you have been teaching but I still have this to say- I wish I could thank ALL of my teachers who were kind yet firm to that lost mixed up student named- ME. Decades have passed Dear Teachers and I definately became a late BLOOMER. None of you will ever know that ME developed a taste for history in her early 30's. That ME became a competitive bodybuilder in the 80's and acquired trophies and titles. That ME became an avid gardener. That ME inspite of not being able to count tried very hard to stay employed and developed a strong work ethic. That ME joined a history group in her 40's and learned to sew Medieval garments and cook Medieval dishes. That ME has kept on sewing since she was 9yrs old. That ME has over her long life has learned to embrace and weave togeher intellect and hands on blue collar skills. That ME, on her own volition, took herself to therapy for incest, her depression, and her becomming a drug addict after being a bodybuilder (huh!?). Did both from NEEDING to belong, to something, to ANYTHING. My therapists were strict, loving, patient, no nonsense in holding ME accountable to herself, and slowly, so slowly ME emerged from a guagmire. In ME resides a Rough Girl who possess grit. A Poet who is being published. A Gardener whose crazy over learning via videos, a loving Cat Mom, a Curious Girl, a FORGIVER of all the men who trespassed upon my body against my will. Dear English Teacher, I was and always have been a lover of words. I loved reading the dictionary as a child. I was in love with my dip pen and little glass jar of black India ink. A's in cursive. A's in vocabulary. Voracious reader. Art nerd- yep. Social Skills - let's not go down that Rabbit Hole.... Right now Im reading 'To Kill a Mocking Bird.' I hoped you are a little touched somewhere in your teachers aching soul by knowing there are others like ME. I bid you adieu- ✒️
Catholic grammar school in late 70s our reading curriculum was reading short essays (SRA/McCall Crab), answering questions about what you read, checking your answers and then re-reading it if you got an answer wrong to see what you missed. If you learn reading comprehension, you can learn just about anything.
Yeah. So did I. I remember that when I was in second grade, we had SRA classes, aside from that we had this online program where we read news articles and had to answer comprehensive questions.
I loved SRA. For me, as a shy student, it gave me control, and I set my own pace and looked forward to mastering each passage-with fluency and comprehension!
Not every kid should be doing college prep type learning, he’s right. I needed to earn a living, and should have been geared towards a trade type program. Instead I was pushed to take biology, physiology, etc and was bored and getting bad grades. I wasn’t headed straight to college, it was obvious. But was pressured to prepare for that track.
Yes I work at a university n I see students here that shouldn’t be but the parents push them. They should had done a trade in high school or something, they end of falling out of school.
Well that guaranteed federal loan money has guaranteed lower standards for years now..when my aunt got into a local state university I knew some bullshit was afoot. I took out no loans tho! That alone makes it feel like I’ve won the lottery compared to the rest of my generation..if I did I damn sure wouldn’t pay it back at this point either.
That's why I like how Britain structures there's schools for 9th grade (their 10th year) and up. They start out taking high school classes that will be a better benefit to the career they want to do and spend the last 2 years doing apprenticeships, trade school or the equivalent to the first 2 years of college (in the US). I think our schools would benefit from this greatly. It would also cut back on student debt. 😮
Parents are the major culprits of this situation. They have been drinking from this kool-aid and when you have a parent behaving in this manner and cursing you out for doing your job. Something is definitely going on in which they want to keep or make kids more aggressive and telling them it's okay to behave in such manner.
Unfortunately, teachers have also abused kids, abused their power for too long. Kids are unilaterally "blamed" and yet they know there is factors leading up to the "incident " or conflict. Maybe, this has gone too far in the swing, to no discipline, no guidance for kids, but parents defending and advocate for their kids is a necessary part of schools as well. (Not saying violence, assault, verbal abuse, calling names is okay). Some kids have been railroaded, and overly controlled (thus pushback) instead of acknowledged and guided with good coping skills, given music, art, sports as classes, that also serve as stress relief.
Not always. My son went through a rebellious stage and I went to the principal several times because they did nothing when he was disrespected or defiant while he was there. Years later, my grandson literally threatened to shoot up the school, my son tried to get the school to do something, anything, and their solution was to coddle him. He put everyone through hell, refused counseling, crisis was called over and over and nothing was done. Thankfully he's over 18 and on his own.
You have to ask why the government wants the next generation to be functionally illiterate, bad at math, traumatized, and emotionally stunted. Then you will understand why schools are the way they are, and why every time a change makes things worse, they don't get rid of it, they double down.
Teaching at an all Black high school I see this ingrained victimization already. Many kids have legit traumas and need help, but then there are those who have literally said to me that they can do whatever because they are Black. During history month when I would reprimand them they would say I can’t do that because it’s Black history month. My comeback? I’m racist. If ensuring that you are held to high standards of humanity is racist, then I guess I’m racist. They shut up pretty quick after that because they don’t know what to do about it. And I notice that I am respected more as well. Teachers, especially when you teach largely people of color, do NOT be afraid to push back on the students to show them who is boss. Do not explode on them, that causes them to see you are not in control, instead show them that you hold them to high standards and any deviation from that will be reprimanded. You will be unpopular for about 2 months. But call parents, in class if you have to, make a fuss, hold them accountable. And in the end you will be respected and your classes will run more smoothly because even the trouble makers will know that you don’t mess around. The good kids will love you because your class will be one of the few that they can actually learn in. Be kind, but firm. Don’t have favorites- be willing to say that you are just as willing to fail your best student if they do not deliver as your worst student. It is hard, but you will make a difference.
"Push back... reprimand any deviance" ......deviance means not of social "norm". Although I agree most of what has become normal socially, especially in private schools ...is unacceptable behavior. The way you state this is contradictory in many ways and manipulative in a way that doesn't appear to be beneficial to students as a whole. You're also not their parent and shouldn't be the one deciding if their "normal" is acceptable in a general sense. Yes there are RULES obviously, and deviation from the RULES as long as the rules are agreed upon by staff and parents alike....should indeed be handled and not ignored. But this is also not supposed to be about control as much as you seem to think.....I know many do. So it's not like it's your fault personally to think this is optimal. But from an educational standpoint of TEACHING kids, especially kids that aren't "your kids" but your students....that have guardians/parents aside from you...there's a line that needs to be respected. It's hypocritical to demand respect if you can't give it. Being out of control is obviously not good. But guiding and supporting for students to control themselves is what is necessary. This should start at home. The sad thing is these institutions are built on manipulation and misinformation, and control over the future. Ultimately this is what it comes down to if you know the history of schools in the USA (and other countries too it seems.) Today it's even more so like a correctional facility when a majority of students and staff alike have some severe mental disorders. You're in a system that promotes CRT and likely politicized gender ideology. Even the national PTA is disturbing to say the least. Teachers that genuinely want to and are capable of helping students grow are out of place in most schools, if not all anymore. They are fighting uphill in a sea of chaos and confusion. It's not the teacher's job to be the therapist, social worker, police officer, parent, or friend. It's to teach. Maybe to inspire while they teach. That's ideal of course. But good luck doing that. Something that parents ideally are doing for the majority of the time, like they have throughout most of history. Including when the general population was more fit in every way to endure life and meet success. If you want to make a positive change you might end up requiring a new platform, with parents and students that are not damaged/brainwashed to the point that they can't participate in academic pursuits of truth and liberty. Take care ❤
I taught high school for four years. That's as much as I could take. Life's too short to deal with people's awful kids. It's really not all of them, but it's enough of them...and life's too short. If you're a parent, know that teachers are really, really sick of your disrespectful kids. I've been happy (work-wise) ever since I got out.
I agree, it's not all the kids. However, the problem is that the kids who ruin everyone's experience are forced to stay in class by the admin or principal.
I quit teaching one week ago. It has caused me more anxiety and depression being apart of education, I do not recommend teaching to anyone. I am 48 and once loved the career. Now I grind in a factory and love life. Thank you for your videos. I’m not alone.
Former teacher to former teacher, you made the right choice. If you feel the need to educate still, look up your local homeschool co-ops. They often hire teachers for lessons. And more and more people are homeschooling to escape the most physically dangerous and educationally useless public schools in the developed world instead of the more problematic reasons people used to homeschool.
I’m an educational assistant and I work part time at Amazon as well. Planning on leaving education and working at Amazon full time. Trying to decide if I should stay until May. Only seven weeks left but I don’t know if I can make it. 😅
back then, students could be bad but at least most students were still afraid of two things: going to the offices of principals and vice principals and calling their parents, who were usually at work.
You know, this Thursday, my English teacher taught me something. That us students are the most powerful in the entire school. And that the power we have is the power of "no" in which leads to consequences that we don't want to accept. We were doing a discussion; a girl was called up on to answer the question about the theme of the book and she said it was interesting. The Teacher asked why is it interesting. The girl said "I don't know". The teacher then told her that she can't make a claim without evidence, but she kept saying I don't know which almost caused the teacher to have us do a writing assignment, but she walked out the classroom. I'm apart of generation z I used to goof around in 5th and 6th grade but I started maturing and focusing more on my education. I'm in 10th grade now and like 75% of my classmates are so disruptive and immature and they just don't care. They do this on purpose to go to a thing called "reset room" which really doesn't help, its just a room where the kids that don't care get to just sit there until class is over. I don't even think they can send my classmates to the principal's office anymore. I'm worried about the future of our education system.
Exactly. When students realize that they will get to go to another classroom for the remainder of any given class period and simply sit off to the side and not have to do any real work, they will leap at the opportunity to be sent out of their regular classroom of instruction and thus misbehave and disrupt their classmates’ learning and teacher’s teaching on purpose for their own selfish benefit. The average adult out there badly underestimates children’s capabilities and intelligence (for better and for worse). And that’s another huge reason as to why there is no discipline in schools and in the home anymore.
I worry, too. About the future when all the ones who “didn’t care” while they were in school are pushed out into the real world and realize that _no one_ is going to *give* them anything…
I was a troubled child but no one noticed because I didn't act out. Teachers never asked why I didn't do homework or why I stared out the window. I never spoke one on one to most of my teachers. I'm worried about sending my 4 year old to school when it's time because it was my prison.
Homeschool. My kids were in school for 2 years and it was literally hell. I couldn't sleep at night. It was so bad that even if I can't homeschool, my kids will just not do anything, or very little, and it would still be better than going to school. They don't learn anything positive there. They just learn how to be a good little sheeple, how to be in a mob, that mom and dad are backwards and stupid, and that learning things are not important. THeir spirits, creativity and souls are crushed and anything they learned prior to it is literally erased from their memory. My daughter was in the longest and after 4 years of homeschool I am still trying to chase away those demons she learned in school. She was such a bubbly, curious and creative soul and they crushed that there.
This comment made my heart sad… praying for you and your baby to find a school where you feel safe and that makes learning fun and where you feel supported… start at home reading together in fun creative ways
Homeschooling is the answer. Look for the 1980s book, Better Late than Early, by Raymond Moore. Gregg Harris had a seminar on Delight Directed Learning. Newer homeschooling materials seem to lean more toward doing school at home rather than real education by making learning exciting and meaningful. Another old good book is Homeschooling for Excellence by Micki Colfax.
I've spent more than 8 years teaching highschool students in China. Class size is usually around 50 students. As a teacher I consider it part of my job to maintain order within the classroom. I don't have time to coddle the 2 or 3 troublemakers at the expense of the other 47 students who actually want to learn something. Disruptive behavior needs to be dealt with firmly and promptly, ortherwise the whole thing bexomes a circus and nobody learns anything. I don't like having to dish out discipline, but the alternative is chaos.
I went to high school in the 90s. I never saw what goes on in schools today, back then. There were fights between students at times but I never saw any kids cuss out teachers or assault teachers or adults. I had advanced classes but even in the regular classes, the worst thing I saw was kids talking too much in class. We never had cell phones or social media, so that made a huge difference in behaviors. Kids weren’t constantly addicted to checking phones and texting all day long. I’m in no way saying schools or kids were perfect back then, we certainly had our share of problems (and yes we had bad behaved kids), but compared to now you can clearly see the behaviors have gotten exponentially worse. Kids were actually afraid to go to the office back then. Consequences were administered right away if you were breaking school rules or your behavior was bad. That is certainly not the case today. Kids fear nothing because there are no more real consequences for bad behaviors. Now we just talk to them and hope they will change their behavior. It’s a huge mess 😢
The 90s was actually a bad time in my experience. It was during the height of the crack era, and the behavior was arguably worse. There was much less pressure on the teachers, though, paperwork wise, and it was probably pretty nice in a suburban district. At some point in the late 90s to early 2000s, they stopped giving 0s or enforcing attendance policies and that’s what I think is the difference.
I don’t even know how I found this channel but I’m glad I did. When I was going to school if any kid ever talked back or yelled at a teacher I don’t think you would’ve seen them for a week. BUT. That never happened. No one was yelling at teachers. There were some fights, but there was a designated area off school property where we all went and we thought it was a *secret*. But my kiddo is now in elementary and it’s insane. We’re actually going to put her in private next year bc she’s lost so much this year. There are 5 kids with IEPs in her class, her teacher doesn’t have an aide, and she’s starting to hate school. I have to hear about this one kid every single day who’s throwing hands and yelling at other kids AND teachers.
I went to high school in the 1980s and very similar experience to yours. Talking in class was the probably the biggest, most common disruption. We weren't saints but no one was assaulting teachers or really even backtalking them. Of course, these were also the days when corporal punishment (though rare) was still allowed and parents sided with the school if their kids went off the rails. There were occasional fights, bullying, etc. but that was controlled and punished when caught. Grading and standards were also higher. Looking back, it is ironic how little actually happened at school. Teenage drinking, drug use and pregnancy all peaked in the late 1980s/early 1990s. We partied and drank a lot and were troublesome in many ways. Plenty of kids carried pocket knives or buck knifes. There were lots of trucks with gun racks with guns in the student parking lot during deer season. All the ingredients were there for a lot of on-campus problems, yet they rarely occurred in even a minor way. I think the impact of smart phones, social media, generally weak parenting (creating entitled kids) and a very progressive change in K-12 education are at the core of the problems, really taking off between 2007 and about 2011/2012.
I teach adults and already see it. I frequently encounter students who don't bother to read course descriptions yet get upset when I don't reformat the curriculum to support what they "assumed" the class was about. That's narcissism, plain and simple.
I love “The Crappy Childhood Fairy” on RUclips because she teaches what the gentleman was saying about retraumatizing ourselves by constantly discussing and enabling the trauma defense.
I never want to hear concern about homeschooled kids supposedly not having social skills ever again. Everyone concerned about it needs to shift their focus to public school kids.
They don't have social skills at all. School lets children socialize without a parent being involved 24 hours a day. This is what parenting is supposed to lead to an independent-thinking child that can socialize with a diverse group of children. Not to mention I doubt too many parents are mathematicians or schooled in advanced Science.
@@chetyoubetya8565So not true! My daughter was homeschooled all the way. She has been complimented by fellow employees and employers on her nice personality, her integrity, Intelligence and hard work.
As someone who went to public school all 12 years, I can attest that it does not teach you social skills. It forces you to be amongst people that have their own baggage their own problems from their own homes not to mention help prevent bullying is, I was bullied so much and it didn’t help me to become this social butterfly if anything it made me not want to expand socially because I was too scared and week I was not protected by adult children. Do not need to learn how to protect themselves when they’re just 5678, 9,10 years old.
I wasn’t able to read before going to school in the 90s. The schools taught us to read using phonics and I remember letter people in first grade. Schools afforded lots of time to grasp the fundamentals. I became proficient by third grade and from then on, I always tested higher than grade level in reading.
My mother and grandmother made sure I was reading, count, could write my name and basic sentences before I started school. It was what my school asked for, and it makes sense to have some basics down before starting school.
I was 5 when my family and i immigrated to the states. I already knew how to read, i just needed reinforcement with English vocab. My mom read with me everywhere, even at the doctors office, both in my native language and english. In every grade i was always at a higher reading level. No one wants to say it but kids are awful these days and the standard simply for behavior is 6 ft under. I was an educator for several years too and booooy oh boy kids are.... not even trying. Their parents are just as social media obsessed as they are. Let technology teach them and let's see how far the world gets.
We are fatherless because fathers leave or women leave abuse. I was a single Mom, all 3 of my children have finished school, dont use drugs, done have children before they wanted them, are good humans with good careers and we are all close. So let's not generalize
Yes! I have a ten year old student that doesn't know letter sounds yet. How the heck did he make it this far without the parents (or school) doing anything about it? Kids don't fail. They just get pushed along to the next level even when they're sorely lacking the appropriate skills. It's hard for the teachers to teach when every other kid is on a completely different level. I've seen kindergarten students come in knowing how to write their names, letter sounds, all that... And those who come in to pick up a pencil for the very first time. It's crazy.
I think people treating public education ad daycare 2.0 has caused some real problems for kids. A lot of problems nowadays with kids is parents who want to outsource parenting to schools. There was one youtuber who talked about that but also said, if you value your life that you never become a teacher. He went over this extensively.
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These same parents who want the school to do everything and the same ones who BLAME the school for not doing enough because they are ineffective parents.
And "All inclusive classrooms ". All inclusive classrooms means that they include special education, English as a second language, and they don't separate classes according faster or slower learning. It's like putting a flat tire on a formula one car.
My granddaughter has college-educated parents and grandparents. Because she was just learning English (and her teachers were ignorant of the fact that she had been an excelent 7th grader in Spanish) she was kept far too long in a "special" English class. American - born latino kids who spoke little Spanish, loved special English because there was no homework and little was expected of them. They were being underserved by such prolonged segregation.
YES!!!! They’re calling this modern curriculum phonics, but it’s NOT phonics. I had to teach both of my kids how to read because they learned NOTHING in school. One teacher even suggested my youngest might have dyslexia. I got her tested - nope! Your curriculum just sucks. I taught her myself. I used a great curriculum called “Bob’s Books,” and now I’m using ABeka for writing and language arts in the summer times.
Great comment, same experience. My kids are 4 years apart so at least they were still using phonics when the first one was learning to read. They were using some screwed up new way to learn math, though, which he was struggling with so I taught him using old school methods. 4 years later, my daughter was not getting phonics and was getting another form of a screwed up way to teach math. I helped her with both and we also used an outside tutoring service to get her back on track (and ahead of track). What did that tutoring service use? All the same old school methods I learned as a kid, which are still very effective. Funny how that happens - when you are paying for results, the teaching methods shift to what actually works and produces results.
Kids should know how to read by the time they enter kindergarten (basic reading of course). That’s the parents responsibility. These kids are walking into kindergarten never seen a letter or common sight words.
@@Groovylu3 I don’t know when the shift to bombarding kids with expectations became the norm, but I’d bet a graph with this implementation and the decline of academic skills have a relationship.
Aside from learning difficulties; I really don't see what is so hard about teaching your child to read, utilizing phonics, assuming that one can read read for oneself. Beginning to read is something that should be in the domain of most parents. (This wasn't in reference to your situation, but in general; I'm glad you were able to help your children.)
Parents dont teach their children how to deal with being uncomfortable, they dont teach them to follow basic rules. My granddaughters have both thrown a temper tantrum with me, but i dont put up with it. They learned to deal with disappointment and not having what they want as they have grown because their parents and the adults around them have taught them.
Thank you for having these conversations. Too many teachers and people in general think more pay is the answer. I’ve never had a problem with my salary. I take issue with the outrageous behavior of many students who face no real consequences. We hear so much about trauma. What about the trauma to the students who are at school to learn? What about the teachers who are traumatized when students abuse them?
I started kindergarten in 1969, graduated in 1982, and we had standardized testing. It was no issue. We never knew when it would occur. We never test prepped. Basically, one morning we would walk in the classroom. The teacher would say, “put your books under your desk and pull out a no. 2 pencil.” Testing took 3 days. It was no big deal. No one was afraid or upset. It was quiet and the lights were soft. We went out to play after the test and then came back in and read a book or organized the classroom or caught up on things we wanted to catch up on.
I went to teacher's college in 2000 when they were introducing the new dogma: the teacher is 100% accountable for every student's success. Any criticism damages self esteem. Etc. I said: "I had great teachers. When I failed it was because I didn't make the effort. I own that. If you take that accountability away from me as a student, you disempower me." The response was "You can't say that. We don't think that way anymore." The boards introduced bonuses for teachers whose classes got high marks. So grades became incredibly inflated. Boards mandated not having consequences for handing in work late (falsely separating learning from self-discipline) and not being allowed to fail students (to keep the numbers up for funding) even if they did no work all year and were performing way below grade level. I so appreciate what they are saying here about postmodernist critique of objectivity, misunderstandings about trauma, etc. The ideology that took over has resulted in: a system that can't socialize or educate; a generation of fragile narcissists with severe mental health issues who are incompetent and disempowered; and, a broken institution that gives the elite an excuse to privatize, get control of education and use it for their own purposes. Who will have the critical thinking skills to question the tech billionaires, political conspiracy nuts, companies like Blackhawk (buying all the properties so you won't be able to own a home anymore), etc.? The Idiocracy is nigh!
Hi - one of the most wonderful things a 3rd grade teacher ever said to when looking at one of my art projects was, “ You can do better than that!” After, a few seconds of surprise, I realized what I had done was simplistic and boring. I didn’t cry, my self-esteem did not plummet, I was not scarred for life. So, I scrapped it, started over, and completed my project that was vastly improved, which left me with a feeling of accomplishment and desire to challenge myself. It is a treasured life lesson that I am eternally thankful as an adult. Can you imagine if I only had been told with my first attempt, “Oh, how nice. Good effort! Atta girl.” That would have been such a waste AND NOT HELPFUL! Thank you, Mrs. Massa (my third grade teacher).
So many kids in urban schools have not developed patience and perseverance, which is a big reason why they can't read. There is no support for their reading development at home. With no incentive to read and how important it is, everything is left to the teacher. Dealing with curriculum that doesn't support reading in an effective way, seals the deal that our society will have more and more illiterate people......Gary has it completely correct. Why isn't our Secretary of Education listening and implementing these great ideas?!
@@Bnizzofashizzo Same here and she had a very heavy German accent. My dad on weekends had this gadget with a spring and words would flip through a little window. He also did conversational German lessons with us. Both parents only had HS degrees, but they were both dedicated parents plus we went to church. So, we were taught rules and Absolutes. This was in late 60s early 70s. Both parents were in our lives, even though we were poor. During the holidays, my mom worked at a Dept store to afford us gifts, but only for a little while.
@@susancook1448 then it shouldn’t be out of control like this. Lord knows we don’t want betsy DeVos or anyone like her sticking her nose in anything education related
Trish, My name is Lawrence Funderburke, former Ohio State and NBA player. I love your passion for the teaching profession. Since retiring from pro sports, my wife and I have operated a nonprofit; we specialize in helping staff, students, and stabilizers (parents or caregivers) with their biochemical wellness or neurotransmitter deficiencies. Personal brokenness is what needs to be fixed first. Gary is right about fatherlessness. Our streets and school hallways are on fire because of an unmet desire, and that being the love and blessing of father. When fathers transition to becoming dads, a lot of our societal, relational, and educational problems dissipate or disappear altogether. Keep up the great work!!
Your charity sounds great. You might be interested in reading the Thomas Verny book called "Pre-Parenting." He covers a lot on neurological development in infants and toddlers-- and even in the womb and the attitude of parents. I'm sure he's be interested in your group!
I taught for 23 years and I got around. Home bound teacher, physicially handicapped students, students in the juvenile court system, high school, elementary school. I have seen AWFUL students from 2 parents homes and brilliant students from single family homes. It all depends on the structure, guidance, love and support
@@Imissyoulou I, 3 of my friends and 2 of my nieces grew up without our fathers around. While not being millionaires, we are all really successful and have great families now. I myself am an Air force vet, former Law Officer and current HS teacher. Kids who have both fathers are fortunate but you can make it despite your situation. My friends and I kinda held each other responsible or created a brotherhood. It's because of the support we gave each other that we didn't give in to our rough upbringing.
@@bobyoung3857 We are saying the same thing Bob. People act like you are damaged goods because you grow up without a father and nothing can be further from the truth. I grew up in an ABUSIVE HOME. My dad died when I was 5. Many days I wished for him, but regardless of the abuse, regardless of the NEGLECT, regardless of the dysfunction in that house of HORRORS, I was DETERMINED to do better for myself and my children. Doubled degree, 45 hours of post graduate work, own home, Real Estate Broker, granddaughter is waiting on the results from the California Bar. Not bad for a person that was told they would NEVER be nothing.
You were talking about what little is expected today. While my mother retired from teaching a sister is currently a teacher at the elementary level. One year she was curious and did a little investigating about children's book for the elementary level. She compared elementary level books written recently to books writen around the 50s and 60s. Her conclusion was that we expected a lot more from our kids back then.
100 percent! I was raised hard and with grit. We were broke and my mom had to grind to work and finish college. I resented it for years until I learned to appreciate the value of work ethic she modeled for my siblings and I. 40 years later, she is a retired teacher of students with autism, an amazing grandparent, with a beautiful home and money in the bank. My sibs and her grandchildren are set for life.
Parents were also more involved in raising their own kids. My mom was really involved in our education. She was especially involved in my upbringing due to my disabilities. She helped with reading and math, and worked hard besides teachers to instill good traits in me. She took advantage of my autism and love of art and science, and used that to teach me reading and writing. Mind you, she only knew Spanish but still managed to teach me to read and write in English. She used phonics machines and audio tapes to teach me to read in English. There was no excuse for her, she set out to find solutions to daily problems, and I think that directed my autism to do the same. Anyways she worked with teachers rather than argue with them. Teachers would point out areas that I was strong at as well as weaknesses, and my mom would use my strengths to overcome those weaknesses. She and another parent fought hard at courtrooms and school boards so that I and another kid with disabilities can go to regular school, because at that time SPED was new in Hialeah and everyone wanted to stick us into special schools. Also, policies changed everything at allowing anyone and everyone into classrooms. In my day 1980s and 90s, as a child with ASD and LD (other disabilities as well), I had to fight to earn the privilege of being in a regular school. The reason why I was allowed in was due to my passive nature and wanting to learn. Many teachers hated SPED kids due to the bad reputation, but many wanted me in their classes due to my good nature and that I wanted to learn. We had to fight for our basic education. Kids today are so ungrateful and basically spit at the faces of their forefathers and mothers who had to fight cases after cases to validate ourselves into regular schools. Kids today have no idea what their past counterparts had to go through to even get basic education. One error would land you to institutions where they abuse the disable. Regular schools were seen as privileged places, not a free for all like it is now. The things I had seen in the classrooms would've gotten me and my peers arrested and institutionalize for life!!! I would hate for us to go back to that, because there are disable kids who do want to learn and work their hardest to be in the classes they are in, but society will oppress them due to a label. I don't want us to go back to that unfairness, but I also stress that we can't allow the violent kids to get away with sh!t they are getting away with today. We need to learn to identify the violent ill-behaved kids and separate them from the nonviolent kids who actually want to overcome their disabilities and disorders to better our society. I am just so scared we will go back to the oppression of the disable ... I fought really hard so that this generation has a better chance, but it is like they spit it all right back. 🥺😪
Wow what a very thoughtful comment. I noticed that many sped kids at my school do kindergarten work for five years k-5. The parapros treat the kids like a baby all the time. Many just badger and criticize every little move like writing big letters or waiting too long to answer a question. Some kids learn they can use their disability as an excuse to misbehave.
Wow! Thank you. So much thought & effort went into your long comment. It was very heartfelt and thorough as well as being so informative. I am going to read it again to get the full benefit of all you wrote. Again, thank you!
I was in public school in the 90's-2000's and the worst things I ever saw a kid do was mouth off a little to the teacher before being sent to the principal's office, a fist fight between students, and a few fake bomb threats to get out of class in high school. I used to be a school nurse, and they actually had to have security for the out of control elementary and middle school students. Once, a kindergarten student called me a "stoopid bish". He was written up and sent home, though.
Correct, no left or right, just teaching!! Ridiculous ideologies in classrooms are hurting kids and teachers!!!!!!! Thank you for all this information. I really appreciate it❤ ❤❤❤
I recently quit teaching after 15 years. I'm in the UK. I LOVED teaching in Asia in an international school (same curriculum as here in the UK, just based there). I hate teaching here in the UK. It has deteriorated so much. I was shocked when I returned from Asia to teach here. The behaviour is off the wall.
here in north america, we need discipline and respect for the teacher to be reinforced. Somehow "discipline" turned into abuse. And now, teachers cannot stand up for themselves against these little 8 year old bullies who go back to their sensitive parents, who further complain and take their precious children's word over the schools.
Same, even at my school here in China we have some of this permissive parenting, but nobody here is being cussed out or assaulted. I cannot imagine why there is still anyone willing to be a teacher in America.
I taught one year - 1993-94 - in Durham, NC, and the educational degeneration was already in full-swing there. They were on the cutting edge of societal decay. I was bitten twice by the same student and the administrators couldn't have been less interested. The whole time I was teaching I was longing for the days I'd worked at McDonald's.
It’s soo bad my mom told me I was smart enough to skip into 2nd grade because all the other kids were way behind and I was well ahead barely going into first grade. My mom knew what i needed to learn and she worked her ass off to make sure I knew it. She believed in hands on parenting school was paramount above her wants above my wants because I needed to get my schooling done. Most of her family are less then smart or plain drop outs she gave me one rule I was to graduate from school after that college was encouraged but optional.
GARY, I have been saying the same thing for 24 years (that's how long I've been teaching). Nobody wants to admit that the biggest most important factor in a child's education is the broken homes. These 2 most recent generations have parents that are not strict enough. They want to be their friend. Parents MUST show their children that they are in charge. That makes the child feel secure, knowing that mom and dad are definitely taking care of them. Parents (and teachers and all adults) who don't "take charge" cause anxiety because the child wonders who is going to take care of them if nobody is in charge. As teachers, our hands are tied, especially by administration.
It’s called bad parenting. And it’s not necessarily that they mean to drop the ball, but THEY had bad parents. It would be better to have classes for the parents. I would have benefited from simple classes in time management, going to the library with the children and reading to the children. That is ONE thing that would make a huge difference. And it’s FREE…going to the library. Using flash cards for math. Simple, at home, not time consuming. Giving children responsibilities around the house. It’s the PARENTS responsibility not the teachers or the government…..bad parenting..bad kids!
I began in Title I in the 90s as well. Parent response was pretty much absent, for good or bad. So, whatever the school decided to do with bad behaviors stood. They let the school do its thing and you just learned that calling for certain kids would be ignored. Eventually, in the 2000s, some parents started challenging school policies and their application. I started getting a phenomena I had never seen before: children telling lies about what they did and the parents believing them against the adults.
School standards began to change in the 80's leading up to common core which resulted in parents not knowing how to help with homework. I believe this and the introduction of Thug Life led to many of the problems that arose in the 90's. The dissection of parental involvement and normalization of violence during the 80's and 90's are the root causes of this disparity, in my opinion.
I am a registered nurse and was hired to teach health science in 2018. It took 2 months before I said I'm done. I can't believe what I witnessed at a high school. It was a nightmare. The kids, parents and school administration. It's really sad that this can even be called school. It was more like a zoo
As parents, we witnessed so many things addressed in this discussion. Especially profound is the idea that we expect to teach critical thinking without allowing critical thinking by all - including teachers and parents. Do the schools not teach about the US Constitution or the Magna Carta anymore? Suggesting reciprocity is a very polite way to promote education administrators practice what they preach in schools regarding checks and balances and responsibility by all. Thank you for having a real conversation about real issues. Well done!
Your comment about students being allergic to work is on target. I went to school in the 60's & 70's. Academic achievement was not marketed to the parents as being easy. You had to work to master a subject and everyone knew it. Today it seems like work is a bad word when it comes to learning. My son was a physics instructor at West Point a few years ago. They have had to significantly lower their goals since he graduated in the 2000's because the student population is so far behind where they were just 15 years ago. The Colonel told my son it was not possible to raise their abilities to the levels of his class in the time available. Educators and parents need to demand more.
I've had a fair amount of success seeking out "absent" fathers to step in and help rein in their badly behaved middle school students. Making contact early and keeping the father in the loop as the year develops can help the entire family. Many Dads are lonely for their loved ones and long for some kind of chance to help. Not 100%, but far more than many assume. Call both parents for God's sake.
Yeah even single dads and stay at home dads get schools trying to call the mom all the time, even if they always say “call me, his mom is at work and I’m free” or “call me, his mom isn’t really in the picture”, schools just assume boys are the ones who are either gone or don’t want to do anything with their kids.
@@oclayton1911Right, my dad holds everything above my moms head and they are divorced. He does it on purpose too. He doesn’t seek to be more present in my school life because he “doesn’t care” about grades and what I do at my “little school” (his words). It’s sad and hurtful but it’s for the better that he’s not more present in my school life even though I’m doing great academically. Everyone has a different like and my heart goes out to any teacher having to navigate this kind of stuff because not all parents are safe for their children.
Early childhood teacher here- you CAN do "gentle parenting" and still have consequences! In fact,it is necessary for regulation. Kids at a young age learn through cause and effect, through exploring with their senses. I usually teach that mistakes help us learn, and they're NOT always a bad thing. I also teach that their choices do affect others, that I may feel sad or frustrated or disappointed with them, but I still care about them and want them to do the right thing. I want my students to develop a sense of empathy and mindfulness of their choices. I also want the kids to understand that they have tools they can access for calming when they feel upset that does not involve aggression. They have the power to walk away from what is upsetting them and do something else. I struggle with anxiety and ADHD myself, and did not get the same school experience of, let's regulate this so that you can grow up to be a mentally healthy adult. I use what I know now to help my kiddos at their young age to learn to recognize when they are having trouble regulating and find a healthy outlet for negative emotions.
Psychotherapist here! This is incorrect as gentle parenting is permissive and neglectful parenting rebranded to make left leaning parents feel okay about being bad parents
I know this sounds harsh, but today's people really need to stop having kids. There are too many people having children, but don't actually want to DO any parenting.
I think a lot of children today were accidents. If they weren’t, their parents would give them undying love and support as opposed to limping along one day at a time and looking for the shortcut solutions to every single problem they encounter with their offspring.
I absolutely agree. Oops babies are a real thing but accepting responsibility for another beings life isn't happening. These parents want to opt out, dispensing blame and responsibility in every direction until personal culpability doesn't exist. It's a touchy subject because issues of class,race, education, and socioeconomics all factor in. But the truth is that kids are living substandard lives through no fault of their own. Teachers are NOT parents and a base for human interaction, behavior, and treatment needs to happen at home.
You are not being harsh at all. I feel 100% agree. There conversation I have had with parents and the confession of either having kids earlier than expected but still wanting them and the wishing they didn’t have kids. Overall they still love their kids. That is a harsh reality a lot of us can probably relate to. But then I seen in life the parents who don’t really give a got damn. It breaks my heart.
It's just that I teach too & it's like the parents also want the teachers to parent their kids. I once had a VERY rowdy kid in my classroom and when I would tell him to settle down, he would say "My dad says that I don't have to listen to you!" then what's the point of me teaching?
The main issue with fatherlessness is that it is COMPLETELY socially acceptable for a man to abandon his child, being a deadbeat dad is more socially acceptable than being a single mother. It is crazy.
Yet the caveat to your claim about DEADBEAT DADS maybe true, I would argue also that the Court system have given women/single mothers to much power and liberty to deny/limit access to fathers/dads who want to be involved in their children lives. Remember! It took two to make a child. So with that, these are areas in which Family Courts should change and ratify whereby the court decisions should consider the fathers counsel regarding the child's education and, as well as, other factors too in their child's lives.
Ask yourself, why there are no school shootings in Africa? Exactly, there is respect for elders, and large families including fathers, someone is always around to correct a childs behavior
Interesting we were just talking about that and you don’t hear about shootings in schools in Africa, Mexico, Canada, Europe…only here in America 🤷🏻♀️🤔
Africa is a continent, with a wide range of wealth, poverty, lack of access to education etc. There's no child labor laws in some countries in Africa. Some deny education to girls. Kids are not even in schools, in some cases. And they are structurally very different vs usa school systems. So, comparing apples to oranges on that one. Kids in America are not allowed to form opinions or express interest in topics. It's all dictated by the curriculum, standards. So if your kid does not have interest in biology, too bad. Name adults who learn willingly? Few. We destroy the inherent curiosity, interest in "learning" kids might have, at a very young age, in the usa schools.
@@cathycoryell2351 im well aware as i retired here in africa-24 year teacher. Lack of child labor laws has nothing to do with this discussion....you are just trying to throw dirt on africa, a place you knownlittle about. The onlynreason why kids aren t in school is because parents cant afford school fees, or the children are in the village. You dont need mathematics to cook, or carry water. Their schools are almost exactly like western schools as they took on the colonizers model of education. Kids are absolutely allowed to express themselves in america, as a matter of fact they over express their opinions without permission from the teacher , and with little prior knowledge. Frequently they embarrassed themselves by repeating MSM talking points. Standards are put in place by local governments so there is somewhat a basic sameness to instruction. 10th grade world history in sacrmento is the same as LA. The parents outrage at nothing has forced teachers to be less creative and less likely to stray away from the standards for risk of having a dumbass parent like yourself, getting upset at every little thing and complaining about the teacher. Thats what took the magic out of teaching.....thosenadults who dont want tonlearn willingly are the exact adults who have ruined education. No one is preventing the parents from allowing their child to research independently- sounds like youre blame shifting. So your argument is null and void quit blaming the education system and blame your gangster rap loving, hollywood pedophilia culture, tiktok watching, lack of parent involvement brainwashed culture on child violence. And once again, no school shootings here in africa because we raise our children with morals and respect. Sincerely, an american living in africa the last 8 years
Fatherless is the core of the problem and once that is fixed other issues will be fixed. Very true Gary. I am subscribing and your channel will grow if this kinds of podcast continues about the truth and no wokeness please
@@K-sd5so I know a woman who started a relationship with a man who’s serving 20+ year prison sentence. Her 3 children don’t have a father present, and while in prison, he contributes nothing financially. She did this to herself. And the radical feminists have been pushing that women don’t need men. Or children fathers. Why do so many women get pregnant by men who aren’t going to (predictably) stick around. Like the young man they know has dropped out of high school, has no job, and 2 previous children by 2 separate women. I’m talking about the many women I know who have already had a baby with a boyfriend , then had a second and third child from different men, all who have children with other women. “Boyfriend “ implies “temporary” relationship. And yes, these are all instances I know of personally. So women making bad choices in who they have relationships with. Why would any woman think the man with 3 children already from 2 baby moms and no job will be their partner in raising a child ? Duh. How about taking some responsibility for their own decisions.
My husband started subbing a couple years ago. It’s been really eye opening for us to see how schools are ran these days. There are a couple schools that he either won’t go to or tries not to go to because of behavioral problems mixed with administration issues. It’s crazy.
Gary's wisdom is off the charts. When he said trauma is being used as an excuse to avoid regulating one's emotions. Like Gary said: having trauma does not give you license to bleed all over everyone else. The result is the production of emotionally unregulated narcissists who are caught in a loop of replaying their own trauma, which retraumatizes themselves as well as traumatizes others. Emotional self regulation and order is key to the functioning of a healthy society. If everyone adopts a "Do as thou will" attitude, society crumbles. We have to care about the greater good and the individual's actions must progress society for growth to continue. We can't just all do what we want no matter who it harms or how it stunts society. The individual must serve society and society must serve the individual.
35:50 "You know how kids learn to read, right? They read a lot... The #1 thing that makes a kid a good reader is the action of reading - and they should read voluminously AND they should read on or above grade level."
With the standards based grading, my eldest went to public school for one year (Kindy) before we pulled her to private school. The teachers put on her first term progress reports that she wasn’t meeting standards on things we 100% knew she was meeting (like saying the alphabet, telling a story, or counting to 100, for example). Lo and behold, the next progress report she would be one standard higher. Then the next progress report for the final scores of the year - wow! She’s meeting/exceeding everything! When really she had barely shifted since she was already meeting/exceeding standards at the beginning of the year. I don’t think they even tested her at all. When we questioned the teacher about it, we were told “well we can only evaluate what we see” as though my bright, gregarious child suddenly clammed up and wouldn’t count or say abc at school. Thank you for this interview, I’m a university instructor and I experience all of these things that you’re talking about downstream.
When teachers, nurses and police are quitting in high numbers, all across the West, all citing the same reasons (pressure, violence, impossible standards, unparented children that are impossible to handle, new age policies that don't work in real situations etc) and warning about the new generations and attitude shifts - we in for a bumpy ride 😅 they're the canary in the coalmine
41:12 "Why is it that that being a plumber or electrician is perceived as lower than a lawyer or accountant..?" This is a major major problem with secondary education. Im in teaching 29 years now as an Arts teacher, and I have seen the decline in student ability to use their hands for basic things such as writing, forming with clay, using a scissors, handling a camera or other tool. I blame cell phones and computers. When computer labs came into schools, what the displaced were wood shops, metal shops, auto technology departments and other hands-on Industrial Arts classrooms. And with those classrooms went the courses and the constant, visible opportunity for a career in those areas. Mind you, the need for these vocations has not waned. Now only a small handul of "lucky" kids get sent to an offsite program. I see many lost students every career day, being fed the line of " everyone needs to go to college" . No. They don't. Every lawyer and accountant needs a plumber or electrician and car mechanic. What a horrible disservice we have done to these kids in the name of "technological progress".
Thank you for having this man on your channel. It was such a pleasure to listen to both of you. He has been saying everything I've been thinking and voicing out loud; but he's also put some thoughts into words better than I've been able to, so I appreciated hearing those summaries to better deliver those same thought bubbles. In regards to the conversation @25:00, talking about kids being stuck at a lower "grade level" - I TOTALLY AGREE. I've actually been trying to express this at my job. I'm a software engineer and a graphic artist, among a few other things; but recently at my jobs we've been talking about standardization and best practices. I got a lot of push back from the "entries who watched a couple of youtube videos and therefore they know everything" when I suggested a standard for our code. This kids will read something online from some random youtuber, or random post on stack overflow, and they treat that opinion as if it were the word of God. "Oh well so-and-so with 50k followers says that you should use complete if/else statements because it's easier for newbies to read" And I was like... "Your code should be clean and human readable.. but ...no, sorry not sorry. If we ONLY write code for the new developers... then we will ALWAYS write 'entry level' code. You will stagnate. You will never grow. You will never learn, because you will never be exposed to cleaner/better/faster and more efficient code. Yes, the "ternary operator" is "very scary" for new developers, but once you understand it's simplicity, you will never go back and it will pave the way for you to discover new logical solutions to the code you wrote when you were a baby dev"
I just retired after 17 years of teaching secondary (2006-2023), I’ve had a front row seat to the mind shift you guys are taking about. I didn’t realize it till I started listening to you, but this is the BASE reason why we are pulling our kids out of the school district to homeschool.
I am not a teacher, but ever since I was little I’ve always had a desire and heart to teach. I would even play school with my little sister at the time or the neighborhood kids and pretend we were in class and I was the teacher. I never thought that I would be teaching my daughters my oldest is seven and I started teaching her since kindergarten. She was supposed to have attended school but it happened during Covid and I decided “well this may be a sign might as well get started”, ever since I was able to teach her how to read, I never looked back. There are days where I feel like I’ve been adequate because I did not receive the credentials to teach. I did not attend college, all I have is the heart to want my children to succeed, and to provide the materials and resources available and most importantly trust in my God.
Trish, you are exposing so many of the reasons I'm homeschooling my kids. And it's apparently worse than I thought it was. I didn't think I got an adequate public school education, and I'm around your age. I've been binge-listening to your videos and interviews and it's so refreshing to hear a level-headed, thoughtful perspective. And I know it's not easy to put yourself out there and call it like you see it in this social climate. I really, really appreciate you :)
God, every day I'm thankful for my mother. She was an unwed, teenage mother (2 children by 16), but that didn't stop her at All. She went to work at 17, and started a life long career (that she just retired from) at 20. And, my brother and I were blessed with awesome grandparents, who watched us when she had to work, and were instrumental in our upbringing as well. Anyway, my mother read to us every night that we were with her. We lived with her full time by the time I was 8, and she continued to read to us, now each and every night. We Had to do our homework. There's so much more I could say, but this comment would be entirely too long. I just really, Really encourage all parents to be involved in their children's education, and their lives.
I went through treatment for leukemia from kindergarten-third grade. I was developing learning disabilities during those years as well. My parents made sure I behaved at school. In 4th grade the public schools told my parents I would never graduate from high school. For two years my parents fought very hard to get into a middle/high school for kids with learning disabilities. I LOVED my special ed school. The Learning Prep School in Newton, Massachusetts was so amazing. I was able to graduate from high school and college. During the 2020-2021 school year I was hired as an aide so the kids could get back in the classroom. I couldn't believe the behaviors that kids were allowed to get away with. If my classmates and I swore at a teacher, not only would we receive detention, (students come from all over Massachusetts so detention was served at lunchtime) we had to bring our detention slip home to have a parent sign. I'm a stay at home mom now, and I am making sure my son knows how read at least a few words before he goes to kindergarten. I don't want him to struggle like I did.
I was in middle and high school when my teachers started incorporating book choice into their classes. Experiencing both (class sets & book choice) as a student, I remember the "class set" books better, recall more stimulating conversations about them, and felt better scaffolded as I learned. It is SO valuable for a student to find community through reading - even if the text is not easy for them.
I teach art and I am very candid with my students. A kid told me 'I won't do anything you assign'. Out of pure curiosity I simply asked why. He said I have an IEP and I'm cool getting a D. I was stunned. I opened my laptop pulled up his file and noticed he had a D in most classes. So I showed him the file and asked if that's your strategy for all his classes. He shrugged his shoulders said why do the work and walked away. I had no more words and didn't even bring it up to the middle school Dean. No point. Nothing seems done when I do file stuff. To quote a parent 'You only teach Art'.
Focus your efforts on the students who are ready, willing and able to learn. That level of apathy is pervasive and now inherent in the child's being, and that ISN'T something one person alone can change. You are doing your best!
It all starts at home. I feel I can say this even though I am not a parent because I watched all of my friends raise kids and they did a terrible job. The entitlement is outrageous.
I just found this channel and I love it! As a teacher for the last 25 years I can say you are speaking my language! Spot on with your thoughts and discussions! Thank you!
I totally agree that we are reinforcing their bad behavior. We ARE perpetuating their trauma. I see this happening everyday. We are expected to tolerate outrageous behavior and not be concerned about the rest of the class. This is my final year in public education. This is year 29 for me and I just can’t anymore. It is destroying my health and wellbeing.
What you said at 48:36 needs to be shouted from the rooftop! There is so much pressure put on our administrators as well. Plus, they are constantly being pulled off campus for meetings and trainings and given so many meaningless tasks to do that they are not available to help.
Yes. The reciprocity principle should go all the way to the top. If those at the district, city, state, and federal levels want all this from us, then they have to do something in return to make it possible.
My seventh grade english teacher had a huge library of books in her classroom. We had books that we read as a class to go along with the curriculum, but after the lessons we could go through and check out books we wanted to read on our own from her collection. It was AWESOME.
My 4th-6th grade teacher (3 grade classroom) had a little library like that and it was all honor system, she’d even let kids keep books from there if they read a book that became very important to them and they couldn’t afford their own copy.
Same. Making books easy accessible and choosing from a genre we like- It inspired me to have my own library at home and continually browse for new books at my local library!
I agree with you Trish that the teacher has been the only one working and therefore the kids have become so lazy that they are just waiting for the teacher to do the work.
So true. I'm a sub, and I've been in middle school classes with students so lazy that they don't even want to open or read the textbook during an open book test or quiz. They'd rather guess or fail than read or flip a page. And there have been times in elementary school where we will do a math or grammar assignment together as a class, with the answers put on the whiteboard as we go along. I'll even remind the class, "Write down what we're doing. There's no reason anyone should have a blank piece of paper or a missing answer." Yet, in some cases, I will see plenty of blank papers and missing answers as I walk around the classroom.
This is the third video of yours I’ve watched (each one has been good), but it will be the first one I cannot wait to share with others! My wife and I are both teachers and our friends are teachers. We talk about this stuff all the time.
Such an interesting and important conversation. I was definitely allergic to hard work as a kid - but thankfully I had my teachers and parents PUSH ME. Hoping we get back to this.
The 70s and 80s was the time to be a teacher. Parents were involved, meeting the teachers at the end of the semester. Students respected the teachers for the most part. What they taught fostered critical thinking and most everyone were at least on level for reading and arithmetic.
I had some great teachers growing up in predominantly black schools in the 60's and 70's. They didn't put up with nonsense. We learned the basics and things that prepared us to compete with students in more prosperous schools. We also learned military drills and square dancing. We read classic books, as well as Paul Laurence Dunbar.
I agree. I started teaching in 1976. Those were some great years. We had a lot of SE Asian families arriving after the war and they were awesome. We also had many Hispanic families living in the area. I loved those kids and their families. So supportive. So motivated. Our Anglo kids/families were amazing too. Such a great mixture of cultures and valuing schools. I’ve been retired 20+ years (after 33 years teaching) and I’m horrified with what is happening in our schools. My son wants to be a teacher but, for now, he works in the Criminal Justice system. I feel like he has”leap frogged” over the classroom and landed where many of today’s students will end up. Sad……..
My grandma was a teacher from the 60s up to the early 90s. She had ulcers from how much stress she was under as a teacher. Her students had absent parents and behavior issues. Her admin meddled in unhelpful ways. She loved her job, but it was far from perfect. All of the teachers acting like their job just got difficult should talk to a retired teacher who isn’t bitter. Kids aren’t worse behaved than ever. They aren’t incapable of learning. Teaching is wonderful, but has always been difficult for a lot of the same reasons it’s difficult now.
Gary is exactly right. I remember my mother and my grandmother purposely had me read higher level books outside of school to help me widen my vocabulary (and it worked).
You are both spot on. Thank you for exploring the core problems eroding education. I think we need fewer suits in offices and more teachers and aides in the classroom.
Everything after Minute 13:00 is just so accurate it hurts to hear it articulated so eloquently because the problem is so complex and prevalent that it’s hard to feel hopeful but the fact that this conversation happened is huge.
It's absolutely incredible to me how unapologetically emotionally reactive older kids and young adults have become due to the whole trauma thing. I'm autistic and have always been fairly sensitive which would cause me to have meltdowns. It only took a handful of meltdowns at school before the looks and judgment I received from my peers started hurting more than the cause of the meltdown itself. I learned to either ignore what was triggering me or disassociate myself from the situation to be able to laugh. I don't like being a burden or inconveniencing anyone which a public meltdown certainly does. While its not okay to judge people for who they are, I think it IS okay to shame disrespectful behavior regardless of the cause. For the past several years, media has pounded into our heads to "not care what other people think about you" which I think has lead to people dismissing any shame or criticisms they receive for their actions. I've never fully understood the fatherless issue. Like, of course having both parents is good for many reasons, but I don't see it to be as detrimental as people make it sound to only be raised by a mother. My parents got divorced when I was 3 and didn't see or talk to my dad again until I was 21. My mom raised me by herself and I think I turned out okay. I might not be the stereotypical "manly man", but I guarantee I'm a better, smarter, kinder, more understanding, and overall more well-rounded man than most of the men I know that had both parents. In my opinion, it doesn't matter if you have one or both parents as much as the parent(s) being good people themselves who care about and listen to their child.
@James Lawler Thank you for sharing your story and for your vulnerability. You are an example of how individuals can rise above their struggles and become a positive force in the world.
James thank you so much for sharing your experience and thoughts! I love the way you think and it is true. Some shame is a healthy dose of a reality check in my opinion I don’t agree that we should never shame our children. Of course, that shouldn’t be the main thing to get them to change or whatever but a little healthy dose of it does help kids look at themselves in the mirror and then see their surroundings that something it’s not quite right they’re able to pinpoint back to the problem and then they can see that the problem is then not others. I also grew up without my dad. He left when I was like nine but in my experience, I do think that it has hurt me greatly emotionally and my little sister I do believe that in general fathers are very important in order to raise well-rounded children, there are even statistics. Maybe this doesn’t speak much to you and that’s fine, but there are statistics that say that children actually thrive better if they’re raised by their father single father, than they do with single mothers, and that tells you that there is something different about men and women. Obviously the best ideal is both healthy parents in a marriage to raise children, and there will always be exceptions. That is true for example, in my position because my parents were divorced, I should have been another statistic, teen pregnancy, substance issues, depression , but I was able to surpass these things and not struggle with them, but it does it mean that it’s just because I didn’t go through it does it mean that everyone else is OK if that makes sense I really do think that having Father’s Day with families will do more good than harm right now everything’s a hot mess.
I’m so glad there’s been a dialogue opened about the science of reading. I’m using UFLI at home to teach my child to read and we do lots of read aloud as at home (a mixture of non fiction and fiction) and I make sure that a lot of those books are 2-3 grades above his reading level. He’s in preschool reading at 1st grade level so we read books for k-3 heavy on the 2nd and 3rd grade non fiction texts.
Thank you so much for this talk. Former art teacher here and this is such a profound and accurate analysis of everything that I experienced at my middle school. So many kids had so much potential and the system stubbornly failed them again and again. There was no positive reinforcement for the good students who did exactly what they were supposed to do. They just had to put up with the terrorizing behavior of the “bad” kids, and the bad kids got rewarded with getting their way and effectively getting to run the school. New admin cycled through the school on an annual basis-no real leadership for the kids to respect.
This is what my high school is experiencing. There is a district wide push to elevate current classroom teachers into leadership positions. Mind you, our district admin creates new titles every year. I replied to the stupid email that was reminding us about the “opportunity” and told them they needed to be focused on filling and maintaining classroom teaching positions instead of creating more admin positions. In all honesty i thought it was an automated email and didn’t expect a response lol but they replied and said thank you for your input 🤣
Great conversation from two student advocates! Your warm authenticity is refreshing and thought-provoking. In this teacher's opinion, you two are sharing intergenerational wisdom! :)
"You don't get good at reading when you read weak texts." So true! This idea that any book is a good book if a child likes it is such crap, and is mainly supported by adults whose own reading peaked at the level of chick lit. I homeschooled my daughter through early elementary. She was reading at 7th grade level in 3rd grade. Then we enrolled her on public school (huge mistake) and she has never progressed past that level since. We took her out after 9th grade and are slowly remediating. She can now read higher level texts with more conplex ideas and, most importantly, can talk about them. She still has a long way to go, but moving away from this public school idea on reading has been immensely helpful for her.
I'm a high school registrar and this whole conversation is an accurate depiction of what's happening to school staff. Parents can not be bothered to uphold their responsibilities when it comes to their kids. Leaving it in the hands of teachers to do the parenting for them. Kids have no accountability for their actions in acting out constantly. Thank you both for having this insightful conversation. Bless your hearts and wish you the very best! 🙌🏾✨️
My mom taught in the 80's/90's. I laughed when she called the 90's the golden age of teaching, and I was grateful he corrected her and said hats when things started falling apart. My mom saw it early when public school was failing her own kids. She worked all day teaching other kids and came home to find out her own kids learned nothing. They'd stay up till 10 pm trying to keep up with the homework load. Meanwhile my brother who was 5 was constantly insulted by his teachers. Yheys say "He's cute but dumb" and "He's not college material" and when she tried helping they claimed it wasn't her job it was there job. She she pulled them out, she quit teaching other kids, and she home schooled. We got ahead in homeschool. In college we were in the honors society. My brother was diagnosed with high functioning autism. He got a PhD.
I’m a homeschooling mom but this channel has been very informative for myself. Although my children don’t attend “traditional” school I have used your input as a guide for me. Thanks 😊
I graduated highschool in 2009 and disrespecting teachers meant you got detention, shamed, and looked down on by your community. Now it's actually encouraged?!??! We are living in lawless times.
Right. In the 90's, it was really not cool to be disruptive. Nobody thought it was funny. You got glared at by students and told to leave by the teacher.
As a former teacher now pursuing a masters in applied behavior analysis, I love how this guy mentioned principles of behavior throughout! My experience in teaching really made me interested in learning about prompt dependency.
Knowledge of performance, knowledge of results, prompt timing... it's all so fascinating! Now I have to look up prompt dependency; my daughter started needing a lot more feedback when we switched from homeschooling to public school...thanks for the brain food!
I love these talks. I am not a teacher but I am a 53 year old parent of 2 children going through the school system. All the things I am scratching my head about regarding the current school system compared to my experience in the 1970s and 1980s is explained by these podcasts. All is revealed.
I was that teacher who loved teaching as well. I was left with the custodians too around 7 or 8 pm. I spent thousands of dollars on my classroom and adored my students. This was from the mid-90s until around 2006. I loved teaching so much that I stopped teaching two years to pursue a master's degree in curriculum and instruction with a concentration in literacy. I wanted to support students who struggled with reading and writing. I was able to do so as a reading specialist and a curriculum facilitator and I loved it! I taught at various types of schools and never experienced disrespectful students. However, I became a teacher educator in an early childhood ed program and noticed as the years passed that many of the college students were highly underprepared for college (reading, writing, critical thinking, study habits, etc.) and every semester there would be a handful of them who were extremely disrespectful and possessed a sense of entitlement.
I’m rewatching this and I wish I was more in the conversation. All of this contributed to me retiring early. The district adopted a curriculum that took books out of the kids’ hands! It was unbelievable to me! The teacher was expected to walk around reading from a script and all reading lessons involved drill on a smart board, while I tried to keep my place in the script and keep the recommended pace! It was horrible to be treated like the least important part of the instruction! They could use a robot to do what they wanted me to do! Teachers as individuals who brought something unique to the classroom was no longer valued. Each classroom was expected to be cut from the exact same cloth and sound, look and feel identical. SMH.
Yes, this is one of my greatest concerns. There have been some very fuzzy, loose reading curriculums widely implemented over the past couple of decades, and they have been rightfully discredited. However, replacing this with a micro-comtrolled system that takes all of the creativity and professional judgment out of the teachers' hands is just as bad. We have to get to a place where teachers are given the time, opportunity, resources, and support needed to craft a curriculum that works for their specific school and the students they serve. I tried, mostly I'm vain, to help schools do this type of planning.
@@garyloss2878 I had a curriculum for my students that I created. My masters is in Curriculum Development. One example: I wrote my own poetry and there was a poem each week, used daily. After reading it and doing any accompanying motions, the students would come up and interact with the text, by circling High Frequency Words that had been introduced, letters, clusters, digraphs, etc.-whatever was a focus that week. They loved this activity and we’d read the poem again afterwards. The level of engagement was exciting. They felt such ownership of their learning. Anyway, just one piece of what we did. There was no longer time for this activity and so many others.
A social-emotional scripted curriculum took the place of student engagement in play and the natural learning and conversation through play and shared activities. There was no time to cooperate, share, reason, and interact while building, doing a floor puzzle, painting, etc. There was no time. They had to be fed the scripted curriculum about how to share, work together, listen to others’ ideas. The opportunity to learn by doing disappeared in the classroom.
My Masters Thesis was SSGP (Semantics, Syntax, Grapho-Phonics-A Fully Integrated Reading Approach.) It worked so well and allowed for a variety of text interactions that met individual needs and learning styles. It felt magical and I’m thankful that, for a time, it was respected and I was allowed to implement it.
Now that I’m retired, my grandchildren benefit. 😊 They say, “You’re my teacher now.” I’m blessed.
So sad. Teachers need time and opportunities to experiment in thoughtful, informed ways that translates theory into practical applications. This focus on SEL at the expense of cognitive growth is idiotic and counterproductive to meaningful learning.
@@garyloss2878 “idiotic” is exactly the right word! There were three types of teachers when I retired:
1) Those who spoke reason and were branded a malcontent. (Me) 😂
2) Those who spoke reason behind closed doors, but wouldn’t speak up.
3) Those who didn’t have any understanding of cognitive development, the processes involved in learning, and who were just happy to have a script and click the mouse for the next screen in the “reading program.”
I don’t see any light at the end of the tunnel. There’s big money in these programs and the two years of teacher training they attach to it. It was like trying to get another Masters degree-a degree in something I didn’t agree with, but had to become proficient in, especially because I spoke up. Once you speak up you’re suspected of deviating from the program and watched closely.
Educational reform seems unlikely. It saddens me for the children, including my grandchildren. I see the idiocy around what “school looks like” already in my granddaughter’s Pre-K. It’s obvious her teachers don’t have a strong foundation in early childhood development.
That’s very weird, is there a name for this curriculum?? Do schools in different states have different curriculums? Aren’t they still changing the curriculums being used? I heard of the SEL curriculum for social emotional.. I’m not sure if this is the new curriculum that you spoke about
At one time, I tutored elementary school children in reading. A parent asked me why their child didn't want to read. I looked around at the gigantic TV, all the tech stuff in the room, and...not a single book anywhere. I suggested the parents buy some books and let the child see him / her reading with enjoyment. And then read to the child themselves every night. They looked at me like I'd just landed from Mars.
Lmao they probably can’t read either
We have all the tech stuff too but right by the tv is a big bookshelf full, and another on the other side of the room and another in my kid's room. We have "reading time" every evening to wind down and go to sleep. The day my baby was born I read her a book. I have not missed a day since reading with her and she is 10. Some nights now she reads to me and some nights we each read our own books but we read every single day. My daughter could read before she started kindergarten and we did not do preschool. She also knew all her letters and colors. She could count to twenty and add small numbers like 2 and 3 as well. At school they taught phonics and decoding and all that which I don't really know how to teach. She is at an eighth grade reading level now.
I went to the children's section of the public library for a book reading from a new author. There were kids ranging in ages from toddlers to preschoolers. It blew me away how those kids were focused on the book being read. They sat quietly and listened to the entire story. I ask the librarian about it, she said those were the kids that parents brought them in weekly for story time. Go figure.
I really can’t say that works . I honestly think some kids like it and others don’t. Having books and endless reading adventures with kids doesn’t guaranty readers it isn’t as simple as that
@@ylprevatt3675 It greatly increases the likelihood that children would read. We have tons of evidence for this. Parents have a big impact here.
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When some of the laziest teachers are rewarded for being popular and some of the hardest working teachers are constantly under the microscope for holding kids accountable, setting boundaries, and challenging kids..... something is really messed up.
This right here
Exactly. Our school system is a joke.
People hate strict teachers, but they are the ones who usually care the most about their students’ success.
It depends if the teacher has a supportive principal/administration. It makes a difference.
I was the IEP single parent mom that advocated for accountability and pulling back supports. Instead the system gave us cattle herding, CYA staff and teachers that just wanted to get thru the school year without any real progress. I spent every free moment in my work day researching best practices and creating supports for home use. Meanwhile the IA ( or IH) with my kid all day was prohibited from speaking to me and kept in the dark, allowed to pack my child’s backpack and hand in his homework. I’m here for the long run.
12:40 - "Your trauma is not an excuse to bleed over everybody else." Yes! You put it perfectly!
Kids are not adults! They can't speak like you. It's not excusable, but it is totally understandable that they bleed all over everyone else given the fact that they don't. Know how. To advocate. For themselves.
The system is underfunded. Yes, it is that fucking simple. It is fucking politics.
You want it to stop? Stop believing that the cure is to continue to treat youth as a monolith and start advocating for funding so we can get screening, more counselors, therapeutic techniques, and open and honest conversations via assembelies to students and faculty. Talk candidly about different youth crisis situations and the resources that can be gleaned. It's not the solution, but its a start.
That's why we need funding and troubleshooting. They are not spiting you, they are more than likely testing the limits to ensure that they are safe to trust that adults will do the right thing for their situations, because of attachment deficits, lack of socialization, and abusive/neglectful parents
I love that too.
Every like on the comment above is straight up willful ignorance.
It's not your job to like kids or to lile working with them, but it is your job to think a little more critically about things. Disappointed.
grievance olympics
I absolutely agree. However, these are the consequences of trauma and systematic racism and disadvantaged communities. There is no escaping or moving out of the neighborhood. We reap what is sowed and the ignorance regardless of whether it is systematic, willful, or both...crosses boundaries and affects the entire population.
My nephew is by far one of the most disrespectful children I’ve met in my life. And I’m empathetic to his situation, because he didn’t grow up with the best background of no fault of his own. However, parents need to understand that they are making it harder for people to want to be there for their kids. I’m slowly feeling my empathy for him go away. When doesn’t get his way for the smallest thing, he will threaten you, become violent, spit at you, cuss you out, etc. I just can’t deal with that level of disrespect, because it’s completely unnecessary.
That is very serious. He needs to be sent somewhere or he will wind up in prison.
That sounds like a damaged child growing up into a damaged adult..
He is not your responsibility at all but he needs intervention by professionals. I hope someone is called and he is removed. The parents, in situations like this, need to be held accountable. If he ends up in prison from committing a crime because his empathy is destroyed, the world isn't going to care what they did in the home. If he does not know a different way he is lost. Sone people from bad circumstances have been lucky enough to see a different way, too many aren't lucky.
Multiplly that by 30 kids in an art room. Scary as hell. I don't miss teaching AT ALL = Tolerated it too long after 2009.
@@maryl234 the classroom teacher has it awfully bad....horrible and they are so underpaid for the time and effort they put in....plus their retirement is the stingiest
My sister and I grew up below the poverty line, and we were smart kids. My parents had no money for college, and we knew that. Despite our understanding of our family's financial situation, when my sister attempted to transfer to our local trade school, she was denied by administrators. They told her that because her grades were in the top 25 of her peers, they wouldn't authorize the transfer. We never went to college and instead entered the workforce at a disadvantage with no real marketable skills. Every situation is different, and institutionalized education doesn't allow for those differences.
Man I was in a very similar boat. I joined the military to pay for my education but even then the difference in schooling was huge. I took a marketing class where I had to work pretty hard because everything was new and I remember overhearing kids in the back talking about how this was covered in their HS marketing classes and I didn't even know high schools offered marketing classes.
The only ones we had outside of the normal was woodworking and autobody. The place where you grow up really has a huge influence on your destination in life. Even if it's just about expectations. What we were expected to do for careers was clear to us based on what our school had to offer.
Ya know, my kids are strong academically and would be prepped for college. We live in a place that has all the fancy classes…but with the state of higher education being mostly indoctrination camps now, and the massive shifts in culture…I’d encourage my kids to go to a trade school.
College make people brain dead. Lol I'm convinced.
And home-school is ideal! Most successful entrepreneurs were home-schooled just saying...but they don't want those kinds of success stories...just Like George Carlin said; They want people just smart enough to turn the knobs and flip the switches but not smart enough to understand the function behind the curtain. (Paraphrasing hardcore LOL But he's 100% correct)
@@insights3140I would too, or to help with my business if they like...even an independent job that fits their talents. Homeschool is ideal. My kids are still both under 12 years old. But we have been teaching them practical skills and even prepping them for "careers" for many years now.
My oldest disabled son has always been obsessed with physical things like pushing buttons, flipping switches etc and sounds! At first I was pessimistic- he was 7 and still could spend all day experimenting like that if we let him. I thought it was mindless. Then I realized it's like sound engineering in many ways. So we started to focus on building up knowledge of music in general, instrument variety/class, tone/pitch etc...different software exposure.
He might never do that or make a lot of money doing it. But it makes us feel optimistic and he has more confidence.
And this isn't the same as other kids obviously...some yeah. But it's not a "one size fits all" , public school pushes that. So does private school.
I went to Catholic School until Middle, (my friends and I were advanced vs the public school kids), and then college later. I'm grateful I didn't continue to getting a clinical psychology degree.
My child was pushed into a public program for special needs by 3 years old! I was right to feel guilty and icky about it but I trusted the peer pressure and nonsensical "normal". For three years of preschool and pre K with summers ...we discovered abuse. Our child regressed. We were afraid to remove him from school because we were threatened even though our child wasn't the legal minimum age required until later that year.
But we went with a charter school which was also a let down. Even the therapies were most often terrible and regressive. They pushed ABA like crazy 😡💩 We were exhausted with how much of the IEPs we had to write due to staff incompetency, had to fight to keep good providers. About 4/20 providers were worth the time/energy. That's in 4.5 years! Switches due to their inconsistency and also when we were able to get a vital change every once in a while.
We removed our kids from that and I started to homeschool. In the first year we saw LEAPS and BOUNDS of improvement. Our mostly non verbal child that had been self-injurious, started to harm himself less, AND to talk more often.
All the kids improved academically or stayed the same depending on subject.
So I see the proof. Not to mention I myself have learned to unravel SO much misinformation taught in the school system. It's daunting but powerful to know...❤
I watched something about parenting styles. The big one that I locate the problems in is permissive parenting. The parents spoil the child and have no rules and no ability to discipline the kids in any meaningful way. As a result the child is both overly confident and extremely anxious and sensitive. I think that's why we see such huge escalations from kids these days. They haven't had boundaries or security (security is in having a caregiver who is authoritative but kind) and so they feel that every challenge is an existential threat. This is then massively exacerbated by parents who are not only permissive but actively support poor behaviour from the child, believe all their lies, and blame teachers for everything. My wife went through this recently, yes it's happening in the UK too, and she left her school as a result due to lack of support from the school and the vicious parents. It's not a job normal people can do anymore. You have to be made of iron.
That is the result of the ethos of our time in families and schools. The sad part is how education not only allows it, but encourages and perpetuates such destructive nonsense.
Good points. I hope your wife finds a good job.
"Both overly confident and extremely anxious and sensitive." What a toxic combination.
I agree. That’s what I see more parents doing AND now law makers, judges and society as a whole! People naturally want boundaries to push against. When there are no boundaries, there is nothing left to do but ratchet the behaviors/risks up!!
@@_abracadabra Basically, it's the definition of having an ego. And most kids have today have egos because their whole goal is to attain power over their peers and adult authority figures every minute of the day, viewing every natural developmental shortcoming on their end as a "failure" rather than a learning experience. Plus, they are so competitive with everybody over everything in order to attain impossible perfection so that they don't "look bad" or "sound dumb". It's mental illness at its most extreme. Not good. Not good at all.
Just the other day I had a 6th grade student, diagnosed with ADHD, who is constantly disruptive shout out "my IEP says nothing about me needing to be respectful" when I was once again was reiterating basic classroom rules & protocols - not talking out of turn, not leaving your seat, etc. Mind you, we are now into the last 6 weeks of the school year.
With 2 years before my planned retirement, I am now considering the 2023-24 school year my last. As a MS Engineering teacher, I know the value of my class, but between such disrespect and students without the ability to read or add numbers, how can I expect to develop their critical thinking & creative problem solving skills?
Your story could be mine! 39 years in MS science. I'll make it an even 40, but no more. I'm just done. I'm losing the battle on all fronts.
@@danskdna8550 it's not just the few bad kids ...it's a systematic failure of the entire education system that fails to support teachers and their students. There is an overwhelming need to remediate kids with low test scores over providing career exploration. Yet, school systems don't fund remediation programs to help bring up the deficiencies of these low performing kids. Seriously, I have numerous 6th grade students with 1st & 2nd grade reading & math levels. How can they be expected to do middle school work and why are they even being promoted?
Hi Ron, this might not help you at this point, but as a member of the IEP team you can call for an IEP meeting to address this problem. A disability under IDEA is defined by it impeding the access to the general education curriculum by the student OR OTHERS. It is not unusual to have goals concerning appropriate behavior and respect on these IEPs, and you can credit him at the meeting for indicating that he needs this support (and he should definitely attend). I'm almost done with an MA in sped, beginning my career at the age of 53, so I well understand this is pissing on a forest fire, but I thought I would point it out anyway.
@@Miss_Elaine_ years ago I was teaching a HS BusEd class where I had over 15 SpEd students. I was constantly speaking with the SpEd dept head regarding strategies and one day in my frustration I asked "how does anyone survive a career in Special Education?" to which she replied with either deadpan humor or completely seriously (to this day, I'm still not sure) "alcohol".
Good luck with teaching, but I'm so over it. 🙄
@@ronfriedman8740 I'm sure she was dead serious. It's really bad. I've landed in a relatively soft spot at an independent study/hybrid charter school that doesn't deal with the level of crazy affecting most brick and mortar schools. The irony is that I may never work as a sped teacher there! But at least I don't feel like drinking half of a fifth of vodka at the end of the day. Cheers to us as we witness the implosion of public education in the US.
I am DONE with parents and students using “COVID” as their trauma! Done!
Well, Covid does define the generation. But, that happens with almost every generation! It matters how people respond to challenges
COVID wasn't the problem, but it certainly exacerbated it.
Agree ita so stupid. It wasn't even trauma
Covid was a vacation for kids becuz there was no onus for them to turn up online and any slight cough allowed them 2 days out of school yet nothing was wrong with them and they knew it!!😂😂😂
@@andayibrewmbirika2441 yep
My dad is a grade 2 teacher and he’s got one student in class who is consistently violent towards other students and has multiple meltdowns per day. He’s probably traumatized by something but he is creating trauma in other students, as the other kids are terrified of him. The school admin is refusing to discipline him or remove him from the class or get him behavioral counseling.
I had a kid like that in my class once. It was because he had a disability but his mom was in denial and wouldn’t get him any help because she was convinced there was nothing wrong with him.
@@emmanarotzky6565 that’s what’s going on with this kid’s parent rn.
The worst thing to do is bend reality and indulge bad behavior , whatever the cause. I am an LCSW and have been working with kids and teens since 1984. The mental health and education fields have gone off the rails with indulging/ excusing and subsequently facilitating destructive behavior in the name of compassion.
@@emmanarotzky6565 Same thing happened to me recently
Just disgusting.
I’m a sixth grade English teacher trying to maintain high standards in a society that works against me and devalues my work with a district that keeps dumbing down the curriculum and enabling disruptive and aggressive students in the name of equity.
Do a simple lesson that doesn’t involve collaboration, differentiation, or high rigor. It’ll make you feel a lot better.
@ElizabethSanto22You’re obviously a product of poor parenting.
Dear Victoria, What I'm about to say will not directly help your current teaching delimnas but perhaps it will soothe your heart a wee bit.
I am a Baby Boomer born 11 Feb 55. I will be 69 in a few months. Please forgive my grammatical errors as you read...
I was one of those rare children who took solace in school. I wa one of those rare children who loved being around grownups. I didn't like my peers, they did not like me either. The bullying started in 2nd grade and has continued steadily to this day via the work environments. Most likely due to leaning towards possessing a thoughtful curious intellect.
I drove many a math teacher to anger with misbehavior. At 32yrs old on the suggestion of a physician I spent $200 on a series of tests at a psychologist office for learning disabilities. This Physician had given me some simple math problems that I answered to which he replied "Are you aware your flipping your numbers around?". A horrifying light came on... no wonder I had been fired from EVERY job I ever had that required making change, that REQUIRED knowing how to count (1970's).
The outcome of these tests was devastating. Dyscalculaia. Severe short term memory deficit. Severe Math phobia ie: likened to paralyzing stage fright .
I elected to take myself to incest counseling. ( I started getting raped at 4) My mother had been getting raped herself at 4 (1937). Her own mother had been an unwanted orphan being handed off to one set of relatives after another. This grandma (born 1891) eventually became a maid for a college president who allowed her to go to college! She was also taught within that family structure 'The Ways of a Lady'. Grandma became a Flapper ( they were actually feminists). She bobbed her hair, smoked cigarettes (in her kitchen in the dark) and worked selling shoes.
But the family tree was sadly laddened with profound mental illness. Schizophrenia. BI-polar. Clinical Depression. SAD ( Seasonal Affective Disorder) Hyper-Sexuality (old term: Nymphomania). ADHD. OCD.
These illnesses gentically passed downfrom one generation to the next. Nothing short of a horrifying list.
My grand niece recently diagnosed with Dyscaculia. She is interested in NOTHING. But then she has Cystic Fibrosis and from where she stands on the cliff's edge, now being 18yrs, it is simply one more step forward to being finished. I watched her Aunt waste away from the same disease.
My point in sharing these Grimm Fairyrales is that Teachers end up being burdened with the compilation of generational horrors, mishaps and mental illnesses.
I have met the loveliest of retired teachers here and there who continued to have close connections with former students as the students grew into adults w families of their own. My Aunt Jean was one such teacher.
Another older retired teacher I met at a coffee shop told me she had 'adult' students she still met with for breakfast get-togethers. What a wonderful homage to jobs well done in helping to form young mind, whether educationally or character
Dear Victoria, I accidentally hit 'send'...
I don't know your age or how long you have been teaching but I still have this to say- I wish I could thank ALL of my teachers who were kind yet firm to that lost mixed up student named- ME.
Decades have passed Dear Teachers and I definately became a late BLOOMER.
None of you will ever know that ME developed a taste for history in her early 30's. That ME became a competitive bodybuilder in the 80's and acquired trophies and titles. That ME became an avid gardener. That ME inspite of not being able to count tried very hard to stay employed and developed a strong work ethic. That ME joined a history group in her 40's and learned to sew Medieval garments and cook Medieval dishes. That ME has kept on sewing since she was 9yrs old.
That ME has over her long life has learned to embrace and weave togeher intellect and hands on blue collar skills. That ME, on her own volition, took herself to therapy for incest, her depression, and her becomming a drug addict after being a bodybuilder (huh!?). Did both from NEEDING to belong, to something, to ANYTHING.
My therapists were strict, loving, patient, no nonsense in holding ME accountable to herself, and slowly, so slowly ME emerged from a guagmire.
In ME resides a Rough Girl who possess grit. A Poet who is being published. A Gardener whose crazy over learning via videos, a loving Cat Mom, a Curious Girl, a FORGIVER of all the men who trespassed upon my body against my will.
Dear English Teacher, I was and always have been a lover of words. I loved reading the dictionary as a child. I was in love with my dip pen and little glass jar of black India ink. A's in cursive. A's in vocabulary. Voracious reader. Art nerd- yep. Social Skills - let's not go down that Rabbit Hole....
Right now Im reading 'To Kill a Mocking Bird.'
I hoped you are a little touched somewhere in your teachers aching soul by knowing there are others like ME. I bid you adieu- ✒️
Please stop voting for progressive school boards, far left teachers unions and politicians. They are destroying public education.
Catholic grammar school in late 70s our reading curriculum was reading short essays (SRA/McCall Crab), answering questions about what you read, checking your answers and then re-reading it if you got an answer wrong to see what you missed. If you learn reading comprehension, you can learn just about anything.
Yeah. So did I. I remember that when I was in second grade, we had SRA classes, aside from that we had this online program where we read news articles and had to answer comprehensive questions.
SRA was great!
100%!
I deliver McCall Crabb in Australia. It's very good.
Very few teachers have heard of it, these days.
I loved SRA. For me, as a shy student, it gave me control, and I set my own pace and looked forward to mastering each passage-with fluency and comprehension!
Not every kid should be doing college prep type learning, he’s right. I needed to earn a living, and should have been geared towards a trade type program. Instead I was pushed to take biology, physiology, etc and was bored and getting bad grades. I wasn’t headed straight to college, it was obvious. But was pressured to prepare for that track.
Yes I work at a university n I see students here that shouldn’t be but the parents push them. They should had done a trade in high school or something, they end of falling out of school.
Very True!!!!
Understanding basic biology concepts isn’t college prep.
Well that guaranteed federal loan money has guaranteed lower standards for years now..when my aunt got into a local state university I knew some bullshit was afoot. I took out no loans tho! That alone makes it feel like I’ve won the lottery compared to the rest of my generation..if I did I damn sure wouldn’t pay it back at this point either.
That's why I like how Britain structures there's schools for 9th grade (their 10th year) and up. They start out taking high school classes that will be a better benefit to the career they want to do and spend the last 2 years doing apprenticeships, trade school or the equivalent to the first 2 years of college (in the US). I think our schools would benefit from this greatly. It would also cut back on student debt. 😮
Parents are the major culprits of this situation. They have been drinking from this kool-aid and when you have a parent behaving in this manner and cursing you out for doing your job. Something is definitely going on in which they want to keep or make kids more aggressive and telling them it's okay to behave in such manner.
Absolutely correct! No one wants to say OUT LOUD that parents are not doing their job, and exacerbating the problem!!
Unfortunately, teachers have also abused kids, abused their power for too long. Kids are unilaterally "blamed" and yet they know there is factors leading up to the "incident " or conflict. Maybe, this has gone too far in the swing, to no discipline, no guidance for kids, but parents defending and advocate for their kids is a necessary part of schools as well. (Not saying violence, assault, verbal abuse, calling names is okay). Some kids have been railroaded, and overly controlled (thus pushback) instead of acknowledged and guided with good coping skills, given music, art, sports as classes, that also serve as stress relief.
Not always. My son went through a rebellious stage and I went to the principal several times because they did nothing when he was disrespected or defiant while he was there. Years later, my grandson literally threatened to shoot up the school, my son tried to get the school to do something, anything, and their solution was to coddle him. He put everyone through hell, refused counseling, crisis was called over and over and nothing was done. Thankfully he's over 18 and on his own.
@@cathycoryell2351 well said
You have to ask why the government wants the next generation to be functionally illiterate, bad at math, traumatized, and emotionally stunted. Then you will understand why schools are the way they are, and why every time a change makes things worse, they don't get rid of it, they double down.
Teaching at an all Black high school I see this ingrained victimization already. Many kids have legit traumas and need help, but then there are those who have literally said to me that they can do whatever because they are Black. During history month when I would reprimand them they would say I can’t do that because it’s Black history month. My comeback? I’m racist. If ensuring that you are held to high standards of humanity is racist, then I guess I’m racist. They shut up pretty quick after that because they don’t know what to do about it. And I notice that I am respected more as well.
Teachers, especially when you teach largely people of color, do NOT be afraid to push back on the students to show them who is boss. Do not explode on them, that causes them to see you are not in control, instead show them that you hold them to high standards and any deviation from that will be reprimanded. You will be unpopular for about 2 months. But call parents, in class if you have to, make a fuss, hold them accountable. And in the end you will be respected and your classes will run more smoothly because even the trouble makers will know that you don’t mess around. The good kids will love you because your class will be one of the few that they can actually learn in. Be kind, but firm. Don’t have favorites- be willing to say that you are just as willing to fail your best student if they do not deliver as your worst student. It is hard, but you will make a difference.
"Push back... reprimand any deviance" ......deviance means not of social "norm". Although I agree most of what has become normal socially, especially in private schools ...is unacceptable behavior. The way you state this is contradictory in many ways and manipulative in a way that doesn't appear to be beneficial to students as a whole. You're also not their parent and shouldn't be the one deciding if their "normal" is acceptable in a general sense.
Yes there are RULES obviously, and deviation from the RULES as long as the rules are agreed upon by staff and parents alike....should indeed be handled and not ignored. But this is also not supposed to be about control as much as you seem to think.....I know many do. So it's not like it's your fault personally to think this is optimal.
But from an educational standpoint of TEACHING kids, especially kids that aren't "your kids" but your students....that have guardians/parents aside from you...there's a line that needs to be respected. It's hypocritical to demand respect if you can't give it. Being out of control is obviously not good. But guiding and supporting for students to control themselves is what is necessary. This should start at home.
The sad thing is these institutions are built on manipulation and misinformation, and control over the future. Ultimately this is what it comes down to if you know the history of schools in the USA (and other countries too it seems.) Today it's even more so like a correctional facility when a majority of students and staff alike have some severe mental disorders.
You're in a system that promotes CRT and likely politicized gender ideology. Even the national PTA is disturbing to say the least.
Teachers that genuinely want to and are capable of helping students grow are out of place in most schools, if not all anymore. They are fighting uphill in a sea of chaos and confusion.
It's not the teacher's job to be the therapist, social worker, police officer, parent, or friend. It's to teach. Maybe to inspire while they teach. That's ideal of course.
But good luck doing that. Something that parents ideally are doing for the majority of the time, like they have throughout most of history. Including when the general population was more fit in every way to endure life and meet success.
If you want to make a positive change you might end up requiring a new platform, with parents and students that are not damaged/brainwashed to the point that they can't participate in academic pursuits of truth and liberty.
Take care ❤
@@ari3lz3pp
What's your issue with CRT?
This
Making stuff up
How? That's psychologically manipulative!
I taught high school for four years. That's as much as I could take. Life's too short to deal with people's awful kids. It's really not all of them, but it's enough of them...and life's too short. If you're a parent, know that teachers are really, really sick of your disrespectful kids. I've been happy (work-wise) ever since I got out.
Authority usually knows something you don’t
What are you doing now for work? I'm thinking of getting out of the teaching field but not sure what to do.
Ai but avoid scams @JBOD
I agree, it's not all the kids. However, the problem is that the kids who ruin everyone's experience are forced to stay in class by the admin or principal.
@@JBOD same here
I quit teaching one week ago. It has caused me more anxiety and depression being apart of education, I do not recommend teaching to anyone. I am 48 and once loved the career. Now I grind in a factory and love life. Thank you for your videos. I’m not alone.
❤️❤️❤️
Former teacher to former teacher, you made the right choice. If you feel the need to educate still, look up your local homeschool co-ops. They often hire teachers for lessons. And more and more people are homeschooling to escape the most physically dangerous and educationally useless public schools in the developed world instead of the more problematic reasons people used to homeschool.
What factory do you work at?
I’m an educational assistant and I work part time at Amazon as well. Planning on leaving education and working at Amazon full time. Trying to decide if I should stay until May. Only seven weeks left but I don’t know if I can make it. 😅
Please tell me you weren't an English teacher, not knowing the difference between "apart" and "a part."
back then, students could be bad but at least most students were still afraid of two things: going to the offices of principals and vice principals and calling their parents, who were usually at work.
You know, this Thursday, my English teacher taught me something. That us students are the most powerful in the entire school. And that the power we have is the power of "no" in which leads to consequences that we don't want to accept. We were doing a discussion; a girl was called up on to answer the question about the theme of the book and she said it was interesting.
The Teacher asked why is it interesting. The girl said "I don't know". The teacher then told her that she can't make a claim without evidence, but she kept saying I don't know which almost caused the teacher to have us do a writing assignment, but she walked out the classroom.
I'm apart of generation z I used to goof around in 5th and 6th grade but I started maturing and focusing more on my education. I'm in 10th grade now and like 75% of my classmates are so disruptive and immature and they just don't care. They do this on purpose to go to a thing called "reset room" which really doesn't help, its just a room where the kids that don't care get to just sit there until class is over. I don't even think they can send my classmates to the principal's office anymore. I'm worried about the future of our education system.
Exactly. When students realize that they will get to go to another classroom for the remainder of any given class period and simply sit off to the side and not have to do any real work, they will leap at the opportunity to be sent out of their regular classroom of instruction and thus misbehave and disrupt their classmates’ learning and teacher’s teaching on purpose for their own selfish benefit. The average adult out there badly underestimates children’s capabilities and intelligence (for better and for worse). And that’s another huge reason as to why there is no discipline in schools and in the home anymore.
@@munimathbypeterfelton6251Yup.
I worry, too. About the future when all the ones who “didn’t care” while they were in school are pushed out into the real world and realize that _no one_ is going to *give* them anything…
Sadly this doesn't sound too unlike my high school. I graduated in 07. It's been a steady decline since the 90s at least.
Same here
I was a troubled child but no one noticed because I didn't act out. Teachers never asked why I didn't do homework or why I stared out the window. I never spoke one on one to most of my teachers. I'm worried about sending my 4 year old to school when it's time because it was my prison.
Homeschool. My kids were in school for 2 years and it was literally hell. I couldn't sleep at night. It was so bad that even if I can't homeschool, my kids will just not do anything, or very little, and it would still be better than going to school. They don't learn anything positive there. They just learn how to be a good little sheeple, how to be in a mob, that mom and dad are backwards and stupid, and that learning things are not important. THeir spirits, creativity and souls are crushed and anything they learned prior to it is literally erased from their memory. My daughter was in the longest and after 4 years of homeschool I am still trying to chase away those demons she learned in school. She was such a bubbly, curious and creative soul and they crushed that there.
Home education is a real option 😁
That’s unfortunate but you don’t have to act out negatively you acted out silently but loud enough that the right should have done something.
This comment made my heart sad… praying for you and your baby to find a school where you feel safe and that makes learning fun and where you feel supported… start at home reading together in fun creative ways
Homeschooling is the answer. Look for the 1980s book, Better Late than Early, by Raymond Moore. Gregg Harris had a seminar on Delight Directed Learning. Newer homeschooling materials seem to lean more toward doing school at home rather than real education by making learning exciting and meaningful. Another old good book is Homeschooling for Excellence by Micki Colfax.
I've spent more than 8 years teaching highschool students in China. Class size is usually around 50 students. As a teacher I consider it part of my job to maintain order within the classroom. I don't have time to coddle the 2 or 3 troublemakers at the expense of the other 47 students who actually want to learn something. Disruptive behavior needs to be dealt with firmly and promptly, ortherwise the whole thing bexomes a circus and nobody learns anything. I don't like having to dish out discipline, but the alternative is chaos.
Wait. What?! 50?!! 😳 I thought 30-35 in an elementary school class is too much.
I went to high school in the 90s. I never saw what goes on in schools today, back then. There were fights between students at times but I never saw any kids cuss out teachers or assault teachers or adults. I had advanced classes but even in the regular classes, the worst thing I saw was kids talking too much in class. We never had cell phones or social media, so that made a huge difference in behaviors. Kids weren’t constantly addicted to checking phones and texting all day long. I’m in no way saying schools or kids were perfect back then, we certainly had our share of problems (and yes we had bad behaved kids), but compared to now you can clearly see the behaviors have gotten exponentially worse. Kids were actually afraid to go to the office back then. Consequences were administered right away if you were breaking school rules or your behavior was bad. That is certainly not the case today. Kids fear nothing because there are no more real consequences for bad behaviors. Now we just talk to them and hope they will change their behavior. It’s a huge mess 😢
makes me wonder what went wrong. i started middle school in 2002 and things were bad by then
The 90s was actually a bad time in my experience. It was during the height of the crack era, and the behavior was arguably worse. There was much less pressure on the teachers, though, paperwork wise, and it was probably pretty nice in a suburban district. At some point in the late 90s to early 2000s, they stopped giving 0s or enforcing attendance policies and that’s what I think is the difference.
I don’t even know how I found this channel but I’m glad I did. When I was going to school if any kid ever talked back or yelled at a teacher I don’t think you would’ve seen them for a week. BUT. That never happened. No one was yelling at teachers. There were some fights, but there was a designated area off school property where we all went and we thought it was a *secret*. But my kiddo is now in elementary and it’s insane. We’re actually going to put her in private next year bc she’s lost so much this year. There are 5 kids with IEPs in her class, her teacher doesn’t have an aide, and she’s starting to hate school. I have to hear about this one kid every single day who’s throwing hands and yelling at other kids AND teachers.
I went to high school in the 1980s and very similar experience to yours. Talking in class was the probably the biggest, most common disruption. We weren't saints but no one was assaulting teachers or really even backtalking them. Of course, these were also the days when corporal punishment (though rare) was still allowed and parents sided with the school if their kids went off the rails. There were occasional fights, bullying, etc. but that was controlled and punished when caught. Grading and standards were also higher.
Looking back, it is ironic how little actually happened at school. Teenage drinking, drug use and pregnancy all peaked in the late 1980s/early 1990s. We partied and drank a lot and were troublesome in many ways. Plenty of kids carried pocket knives or buck knifes. There were lots of trucks with gun racks with guns in the student parking lot during deer season. All the ingredients were there for a lot of on-campus problems, yet they rarely occurred in even a minor way.
I think the impact of smart phones, social media, generally weak parenting (creating entitled kids) and a very progressive change in K-12 education are at the core of the problems, really taking off between 2007 and about 2011/2012.
@@zacharyhoffman9972 I agree 💯. I also think social media has exacerbated the behavior problems.
19 year veteran here. We are raising a whole generation of narcissists.
Amen…. Bc the “ new SYSTEM “ is designed for the narcissistic “ citizen”
24 year vet. 💯
Totally entitled narcissists!!
Spoiled entitled brats
I teach adults and already see it. I frequently encounter students who don't bother to read course descriptions yet get upset when I don't reformat the curriculum to support what they "assumed" the class was about. That's narcissism, plain and simple.
I love “The Crappy Childhood Fairy” on RUclips because she teaches what the gentleman was saying about retraumatizing ourselves by constantly discussing and enabling the trauma defense.
Yes, I love that channel, too!!! 🥰
Thank you. I'll check out that channel.
John Rosemond is a great resource.
I never want to hear concern about homeschooled kids supposedly not having social skills ever again. Everyone concerned about it needs to shift their focus to public school kids.
It’s an old fashioned platitude that needs to die.
They don't have social skills at all. School lets children socialize without a parent being involved 24 hours a day. This is what parenting is supposed to lead to an independent-thinking child that can socialize with a diverse group of children. Not to mention I doubt too many parents are mathematicians or schooled in advanced Science.
@@chetyoubetya8565So not true! My daughter was homeschooled all the way. She has been complimented by fellow employees and employers on her nice personality, her integrity,
Intelligence and hard work.
As someone who went to public school all 12 years, I can attest that it does not teach you social skills. It forces you to be amongst people that have their own baggage their own problems from their own homes not to mention help prevent bullying is, I was bullied so much and it didn’t help me to become this social butterfly if anything it made me not want to expand socially because I was too scared and week I was not protected by adult children. Do not need to learn how to protect themselves when they’re just 5678, 9,10 years old.
With today’s technology and easy access to all sorts of resources if you have a basic education, you can teach your children, mathematics and science
I love that Trish lets her guest speak!!! You are an inspiration--- you quit but you are still passionate about education!!!
Thank you! ❤️🤗
my mom and uncle taught me how to read before i even started school. kids today will be like 9 years old and still can’t read at all. it is shocking
I wasn’t able to read before going to school in the 90s. The schools taught us to read using phonics and I remember letter people in first grade. Schools afforded lots of time to grasp the fundamentals. I became proficient by third grade and from then on, I always tested higher than grade level in reading.
My mother and grandmother made sure I was reading, count, could write my name and basic sentences before I started school. It was what my school asked for, and it makes sense to have some basics down before starting school.
I was 5 when my family and i immigrated to the states. I already knew how to read, i just needed reinforcement with English vocab. My mom read with me everywhere, even at the doctors office, both in my native language and english. In every grade i was always at a higher reading level. No one wants to say it but kids are awful these days and the standard simply for behavior is 6 ft under. I was an educator for several years too and booooy oh boy kids are.... not even trying. Their parents are just as social media obsessed as they are. Let technology teach them and let's see how far the world gets.
We are fatherless because fathers leave or women leave abuse. I was a single Mom, all 3 of my children have finished school, dont use drugs, done have children before they wanted them, are good humans with good careers and we are all close. So let's not generalize
Yes! I have a ten year old student that doesn't know letter sounds yet. How the heck did he make it this far without the parents (or school) doing anything about it? Kids don't fail. They just get pushed along to the next level even when they're sorely lacking the appropriate skills.
It's hard for the teachers to teach when every other kid is on a completely different level. I've seen kindergarten students come in knowing how to write their names, letter sounds, all that... And those who come in to pick up a pencil for the very first time. It's crazy.
I think people treating public education ad daycare 2.0 has caused some real problems for kids. A lot of problems nowadays with kids is parents who want to outsource parenting to schools. There was one youtuber who talked about that but also said, if you value your life that you never become a teacher. He went over this extensively.
Post link to the video please.
@@moozerk1264 ruclips.net/video/_9QFDzj0Hlw/видео.html
Be warned that this guy has opinions and views that may not agree yours.
ruclips.net/video/jLjFJjHLTXg/видео.html
He also covers lots of videos on youth and schools.
@@moozerk1264 Tell me your thoughst after you have seen the videos.
These same parents who want the school to do everything and the same ones who BLAME the school for not doing enough because they are ineffective parents.
@@jillsalkin7389Exactly!
And "All inclusive classrooms ". All inclusive classrooms means that they include special education, English as a second language, and they don't separate classes according faster or slower learning. It's like putting a flat tire on a formula one car.
Yes, this is such an unfair learning experience for all students
My granddaughter has college-educated parents and grandparents. Because she was just learning English (and her teachers were ignorant of the fact that she had been an excelent 7th grader in Spanish) she was kept far too long in a "special" English class. American - born latino kids who spoke little Spanish, loved special English because there was no homework and little was expected of them. They were being underserved by such prolonged segregation.
I am not a teacher. This came up in my feed and it’s such a relief to know that there are sane teachers out there. Great talk.
Thank you! 😊
YES!!!! They’re calling this modern curriculum phonics, but it’s NOT phonics. I had to teach both of my kids how to read because they learned NOTHING in school. One teacher even suggested my youngest might have dyslexia. I got her tested - nope! Your curriculum just sucks. I taught her myself. I used a great curriculum called “Bob’s Books,” and now I’m using ABeka for writing and language arts in the summer times.
Great comment, same experience. My kids are 4 years apart so at least they were still using phonics when the first one was learning to read. They were using some screwed up new way to learn math, though, which he was struggling with so I taught him using old school methods.
4 years later, my daughter was not getting phonics and was getting another form of a screwed up way to teach math. I helped her with both and we also used an outside tutoring service to get her back on track (and ahead of track). What did that tutoring service use? All the same old school methods I learned as a kid, which are still very effective. Funny how that happens - when you are paying for results, the teaching methods shift to what actually works and produces results.
Kids should know how to read by the time they enter kindergarten (basic reading of course). That’s the parents responsibility. These kids are walking into kindergarten never seen a letter or common sight words.
@@Groovylu3 I don’t know when the shift to bombarding kids with expectations became the norm, but I’d bet a graph with this implementation and the decline of academic skills have a relationship.
Which curriculum did they use?
Aside from learning difficulties; I really don't see what is so hard about teaching your child to read, utilizing phonics, assuming that one can read read for oneself. Beginning to read is something that should be in the domain of most parents. (This wasn't in reference to your situation, but in general; I'm glad you were able to help your children.)
Parents dont teach their children how to deal with being uncomfortable, they dont teach them to follow basic rules. My granddaughters have both thrown a temper tantrum with me, but i dont put up with it. They learned to deal with disappointment and not having what they want as they have grown because their parents and the adults around them have taught them.
You failed your own kids then
Thank you for having these conversations. Too many teachers and people in general think more pay is the answer. I’ve never had a problem with my salary. I take issue with the outrageous behavior of many students who face no real consequences. We hear so much about trauma. What about the trauma to the students who are at school to learn? What about the teachers who are traumatized when students abuse them?
Exactly
Suspend kids for being shitty
I agree.
I started kindergarten in 1969, graduated in 1982, and we had standardized testing. It was no issue. We never knew when it would occur. We never test prepped. Basically, one morning we would walk in the classroom. The teacher would say, “put your books under your desk and pull out a no. 2 pencil.” Testing took 3 days. It was no big deal. No one was afraid or upset. It was quiet and the lights were soft. We went out to play after the test and then came back in and read a book or organized the classroom or caught up on things we wanted to catch up on.
I went to teacher's college in 2000 when they were introducing the new dogma: the teacher is 100% accountable for every student's success. Any criticism damages self esteem. Etc. I said: "I had great teachers. When I failed it was because I didn't make the effort. I own that. If you take that accountability away from me as a student, you disempower me." The response was "You can't say that. We don't think that way anymore." The boards introduced bonuses for teachers whose classes got high marks. So grades became incredibly inflated. Boards mandated not having consequences for handing in work late (falsely separating learning from self-discipline) and not being allowed to fail students (to keep the numbers up for funding) even if they did no work all year and were performing way below grade level. I so appreciate what they are saying here about postmodernist critique of objectivity, misunderstandings about trauma, etc. The ideology that took over has resulted in: a system that can't socialize or educate; a generation of fragile narcissists with severe mental health issues who are incompetent and disempowered; and, a broken institution that gives the elite an excuse to privatize, get control of education and use it for their own purposes. Who will have the critical thinking skills to question the tech billionaires, political conspiracy nuts, companies like Blackhawk (buying all the properties so you won't be able to own a home anymore), etc.? The Idiocracy is nigh!
Hi - one of the most wonderful things a 3rd grade teacher ever said to when looking at one of my art projects was, “ You can do better than that!” After, a few seconds of surprise, I realized what I had done was simplistic and boring. I didn’t cry, my self-esteem did not plummet, I was not scarred for life. So, I scrapped it, started over, and completed my project that was vastly improved, which left me with a feeling of accomplishment and desire to challenge myself. It is a treasured life lesson that I am eternally thankful as an adult. Can you imagine if I only had been told with my first attempt, “Oh, how nice. Good effort! Atta girl.” That would have been such a waste AND NOT HELPFUL! Thank you, Mrs. Massa (my third grade teacher).
Well said Friend.
BlackRock, not
BlackHawk
So many kids in urban schools have not developed patience and perseverance, which is a big reason why they can't read. There is no support for their reading development at home. With no incentive to read and how important it is, everything is left to the teacher. Dealing with curriculum that doesn't support reading in an effective way, seals the deal that our society will have more and more illiterate people......Gary has it completely correct. Why isn't our Secretary of Education listening and implementing these great ideas?!
Do you know who taught me how to read? My mother! I know how to read before I ever set foot in any Detroit Public school.
@@Bnizzofashizzo Same here and she had a very heavy German accent. My dad on weekends had this gadget with a spring and words would flip through a little window. He also did conversational German lessons with us. Both parents only had HS degrees, but they were both dedicated parents plus we went to church. So, we were taught rules and Absolutes. This was in late 60s early 70s. Both parents were in our lives, even though we were poor. During the holidays, my mom worked at a Dept store to afford us gifts, but only for a little while.
Education is local not federal. We don’t need Washington DC dictating education
@@susancook1448 then it shouldn’t be out of control like this. Lord knows we don’t want betsy DeVos or anyone like her sticking her nose in anything education related
Parents are not teaching their kids how to read
Trish,
My name is Lawrence Funderburke, former Ohio State and NBA player. I love your passion for the teaching profession. Since retiring from pro sports, my wife and I have operated a nonprofit; we specialize in helping staff, students, and stabilizers (parents or caregivers) with their biochemical wellness or neurotransmitter deficiencies. Personal brokenness is what needs to be fixed first. Gary is right about fatherlessness. Our streets and school hallways are on fire because of an unmet desire, and that being the love and blessing of father. When fathers transition to becoming dads, a lot of our societal, relational, and educational problems dissipate or disappear altogether. Keep up the great work!!
Your charity sounds great. You might be interested in reading the Thomas Verny book called "Pre-Parenting." He covers a lot on neurological development in infants and toddlers-- and even in the womb and the attitude of parents. I'm sure he's be interested in your group!
I taught for 23 years and I got around. Home bound teacher, physicially handicapped students, students in the juvenile court system, high school, elementary school. I have seen AWFUL students from 2 parents homes and brilliant students from single family homes. It all depends on the structure, guidance, love and support
@@Imissyoulou I, 3 of my friends and 2 of my nieces grew up without our fathers around. While not being millionaires, we are all really successful and have great families now. I myself am an Air force vet, former Law Officer and current HS teacher. Kids who have both fathers are fortunate but you can make it despite your situation. My friends and I kinda held each other responsible or created a brotherhood. It's because of the support we gave each other that we didn't give in to our rough upbringing.
@@bobyoung3857 We are saying the same thing Bob. People act like you are damaged goods because you grow up without a father and nothing can be further from the truth. I grew up in an ABUSIVE HOME. My dad died when I was 5. Many days I wished for him, but regardless of the abuse, regardless of the NEGLECT, regardless of the dysfunction in that house of HORRORS, I was DETERMINED to do better for myself and my children. Doubled degree, 45 hours of post graduate work, own home, Real Estate Broker, granddaughter is waiting on the results from the California Bar. Not bad for a person that was told they would NEVER be nothing.
You were talking about what little is expected today. While my mother retired from teaching a sister is currently a teacher at the elementary level.
One year she was curious and did a little investigating about children's book for the elementary level. She compared elementary level books written recently to books writen around the 50s and 60s. Her conclusion was that we expected a lot more from our kids back then.
You can raise your kids and spoil your grandchildren, or you can spoil your kids and raise your grandchildren.
Ooooh I *love* this saying!!! 🔥🔥🔥
Perfect expression!
100 percent! I was raised hard and with grit. We were broke and my mom had to grind to work and finish college. I resented it for years until I learned to appreciate the value of work ethic she modeled for my siblings and I. 40 years later, she is a retired teacher of students with autism, an amazing grandparent, with a beautiful home and money in the bank. My sibs and her grandchildren are set for life.
Damn. That’s too real! 🔥
Parents were also more involved in raising their own kids. My mom was really involved in our education. She was especially involved in my upbringing due to my disabilities. She helped with reading and math, and worked hard besides teachers to instill good traits in me. She took advantage of my autism and love of art and science, and used that to teach me reading and writing. Mind you, she only knew Spanish but still managed to teach me to read and write in English. She used phonics machines and audio tapes to teach me to read in English. There was no excuse for her, she set out to find solutions to daily problems, and I think that directed my autism to do the same. Anyways she worked with teachers rather than argue with them. Teachers would point out areas that I was strong at as well as weaknesses, and my mom would use my strengths to overcome those weaknesses. She and another parent fought hard at courtrooms and school boards so that I and another kid with disabilities can go to regular school, because at that time SPED was new in Hialeah and everyone wanted to stick us into special schools.
Also, policies changed everything at allowing anyone and everyone into classrooms. In my day 1980s and 90s, as a child with ASD and LD (other disabilities as well), I had to fight to earn the privilege of being in a regular school. The reason why I was allowed in was due to my passive nature and wanting to learn. Many teachers hated SPED kids due to the bad reputation, but many wanted me in their classes due to my good nature and that I wanted to learn. We had to fight for our basic education. Kids today are so ungrateful and basically spit at the faces of their forefathers and mothers who had to fight cases after cases to validate ourselves into regular schools. Kids today have no idea what their past counterparts had to go through to even get basic education. One error would land you to institutions where they abuse the disable.
Regular schools were seen as privileged places, not a free for all like it is now. The things I had seen in the classrooms would've gotten me and my peers arrested and institutionalize for life!!! I would hate for us to go back to that, because there are disable kids who do want to learn and work their hardest to be in the classes they are in, but society will oppress them due to a label. I don't want us to go back to that unfairness, but I also stress that we can't allow the violent kids to get away with sh!t they are getting away with today. We need to learn to identify the violent ill-behaved kids and separate them from the nonviolent kids who actually want to overcome their disabilities and disorders to better our society. I am just so scared we will go back to the oppression of the disable ... I fought really hard so that this generation has a better chance, but it is like they spit it all right back. 🥺😪
Wow what a very thoughtful comment. I noticed that many sped kids at my school do kindergarten work for five years k-5. The parapros treat the kids like a baby all the time. Many just badger and criticize every little move like writing big letters or waiting too long to answer a question.
Some kids learn they can use their disability as an excuse to misbehave.
Wow! Thank you. So much thought & effort went into your long comment. It was very heartfelt and thorough as well as being so informative. I am going to read it again to get the full benefit of all you wrote. Again, thank you!
I was in public school in the 90's-2000's and the worst things I ever saw a kid do was mouth off a little to the teacher before being sent to the principal's office, a fist fight between students, and a few fake bomb threats to get out of class in high school. I used to be a school nurse, and they actually had to have security for the out of control elementary and middle school students. Once, a kindergarten student called me a "stoopid bish". He was written up and sent home, though.
That sounds pretty accurate.
Correct, no left or right, just teaching!! Ridiculous ideologies in classrooms are hurting kids and teachers!!!!!!! Thank you for all this information. I really appreciate it❤ ❤❤❤
I recently quit teaching after 15 years. I'm in the UK. I LOVED teaching in Asia in an international school (same curriculum as here in the UK, just based there). I hate teaching here in the UK. It has deteriorated so much. I was shocked when I returned from Asia to teach here. The behaviour is off the wall.
Asia is civilized
here in north america, we need discipline and respect for the teacher to be reinforced. Somehow "discipline" turned into abuse. And now, teachers cannot stand up for themselves against these little 8 year old bullies who go back to their sensitive parents, who further complain and take their precious children's word over the schools.
Same, even at my school here in China we have some of this permissive parenting, but nobody here is being cussed out or assaulted. I cannot imagine why there is still anyone willing to be a teacher in America.
The UK and the US have similar situations in schools from what I can see from videos. Out of control behavior and other things.
@@stormchaser419 They do. I am so relieved to have left. I would teach in Asia when I am able to again but absolutely never again in the UK.
I taught one year - 1993-94 - in Durham, NC, and the educational degeneration was already in full-swing there. They were on the cutting edge of societal decay. I was bitten twice by the same student and the administrators couldn't have been less interested. The whole time I was teaching I was longing for the days I'd worked at McDonald's.
I hope you were teaching elementary because getting bit twice by anyone older is crazy 💀
It’s soo bad my mom told me I was smart enough to skip into 2nd grade because all the other kids were way behind and I was well ahead barely going into first grade. My mom knew what i needed to learn and she worked her ass off to make sure I knew it. She believed in hands on parenting school was paramount above her wants above my wants because I needed to get my schooling done. Most of her family are less then smart or plain drop outs she gave me one rule I was to graduate from school after that college was encouraged but optional.
GARY, I have been saying the same thing for 24 years (that's how long I've been teaching). Nobody wants to admit that the biggest most important factor in a child's education is the broken homes. These 2 most recent generations have parents that are not strict enough. They want to be their friend. Parents MUST show their children that they are in charge. That makes the child feel secure, knowing that mom and dad are definitely taking care of them. Parents (and teachers and all adults) who don't "take charge" cause anxiety because the child wonders who is going to take care of them if nobody is in charge. As teachers, our hands are tied, especially by administration.
Amen
It’s called bad parenting. And it’s not necessarily that they mean to drop the ball, but THEY had bad parents. It would be better to have classes for the parents. I would have benefited from simple classes in time management, going to the library with the children and reading to the children. That is ONE thing that would make a huge difference. And it’s FREE…going to the library. Using flash cards for math. Simple, at home, not time consuming. Giving children responsibilities around the house. It’s the PARENTS responsibility not the teachers or the government…..bad parenting..bad kids!
We as teachers used to say and I'm sure they still do...some people shouldn't reproduce.
Most parents didn't plan to be parents. It's so sad.
I began in Title I in the 90s as well. Parent response was pretty much absent, for good or bad. So, whatever the school decided to do with bad behaviors stood. They let the school do its thing and you just learned that calling for certain kids would be ignored. Eventually, in the 2000s, some parents started challenging school policies and their application. I started getting a phenomena I had never seen before: children telling lies about what they did and the parents believing them against the adults.
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this keeps happening to me!!!
It's all about the kid. The terrible behaviors which disrupt everyone's learning are not addressed because the parents won't do anything about it.
Dealing with this issue rn
School standards began to change in the 80's leading up to common core which resulted in parents not knowing how to help with homework. I believe this and the introduction of Thug Life led to many of the problems that arose in the 90's. The dissection of parental involvement and normalization of violence during the 80's and 90's are the root causes of this disparity, in my opinion.
I am a registered nurse and was hired to teach health science in 2018. It took 2 months before I said I'm done. I can't believe what I witnessed at a high school. It was a nightmare. The kids, parents and school administration. It's really sad that this can even be called school. It was more like a zoo
So you left before the school year was over.
@@sharinaross1865 Yes some people can see the writing on the wall.
@@virginiaoflaherty2983 true. What she described is total chaos. Did you teach or work in the school environment?
As parents, we witnessed so many things addressed in this discussion. Especially profound is the idea that we expect to teach critical thinking without allowing critical thinking by all - including teachers and parents. Do the schools not teach about the US Constitution or the Magna Carta anymore? Suggesting reciprocity is a very polite way to promote education administrators practice what they preach in schools regarding checks and balances and responsibility by all. Thank you for having a real conversation about real issues. Well done!
Your comment about students being allergic to work is on target.
I went to school in the 60's & 70's. Academic achievement was not marketed to the parents as being easy. You had to work to master a subject and everyone knew it. Today it seems like work is a bad word when it comes to learning.
My son was a physics instructor at West Point a few years ago. They have had to significantly lower their goals since he graduated in the 2000's because the student population is so far behind where they were just 15 years ago. The Colonel told my son it was not possible to raise their abilities to the levels of his class in the time available.
Educators and parents need to demand more.
Yikes
I've had a fair amount of success seeking out "absent" fathers to step in and help rein in their badly behaved middle school students. Making contact early and keeping the father in the loop as the year develops can help the entire family. Many Dads are lonely for their loved ones and long for some kind of chance to help. Not 100%, but far more than many assume. Call both parents for God's sake.
Thank you for saying this.
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Yeah even single dads and stay at home dads get schools trying to call the mom all the time, even if they always say “call me, his mom is at work and I’m free” or “call me, his mom isn’t really in the picture”, schools just assume boys are the ones who are either gone or don’t want to do anything with their kids.
Sometimes that could be the match to a bomb of anger between the mom and dad
@@oclayton1911Right, my dad holds everything above my moms head and they are divorced. He does it on purpose too. He doesn’t seek to be more present in my school life because he “doesn’t care” about grades and what I do at my “little school” (his words). It’s sad and hurtful but it’s for the better that he’s not more present in my school life even though I’m doing great academically. Everyone has a different like and my heart goes out to any teacher having to navigate this kind of stuff because not all parents are safe for their children.
Early childhood teacher here- you CAN do "gentle parenting" and still have consequences! In fact,it is necessary for regulation. Kids at a young age learn through cause and effect, through exploring with their senses. I usually teach that mistakes help us learn, and they're NOT always a bad thing. I also teach that their choices do affect others, that I may feel sad or frustrated or disappointed with them, but I still care about them and want them to do the right thing. I want my students to develop a sense of empathy and mindfulness of their choices. I also want the kids to understand that they have tools they can access for calming when they feel upset that does not involve aggression. They have the power to walk away from what is upsetting them and do something else. I struggle with anxiety and ADHD myself, and did not get the same school experience of, let's regulate this so that you can grow up to be a mentally healthy adult. I use what I know now to help my kiddos at their young age to learn to recognize when they are having trouble regulating and find a healthy outlet for negative emotions.
Psychotherapist here! This is incorrect as gentle parenting is permissive and neglectful parenting rebranded to make left leaning parents feel okay about being bad parents
I know this sounds harsh, but today's people really need to stop having kids. There are too many people having children, but don't actually want to DO any parenting.
I think a lot of children today were accidents. If they weren’t, their parents would give them undying love and support as opposed to limping along one day at a time and looking for the shortcut solutions to every single problem they encounter with their offspring.
I absolutely agree. Oops babies are a real thing but accepting responsibility for another beings life isn't happening. These parents want to opt out, dispensing blame and responsibility in every direction until personal culpability doesn't exist. It's a touchy subject because issues of class,race, education, and socioeconomics all factor in. But the truth is that kids are living substandard lives through no fault of their own. Teachers are NOT parents and a base for human interaction, behavior, and treatment needs to happen at home.
You are not being harsh at all. I feel 100% agree. There conversation I have had with parents and the confession of either having kids earlier than expected but still wanting them and the wishing they didn’t have kids. Overall they still love their kids. That is a harsh reality a lot of us can probably relate to. But then I seen in life the parents who don’t really give a got damn. It breaks my heart.
It's just that I teach too & it's like the parents also want the teachers to parent their kids. I once had a VERY rowdy kid in my classroom and when I would tell him to settle down, he would say "My dad says that I don't have to listen to you!" then what's the point of me teaching?
@@munimathbypeterfelton6251 no such thing as an accident children
The channel name really makes sense. This is like therapy for us. I really appreciate the work you do, Trish!
Thank you!!! 💙💙💙
33:26 what you say about “Trend-hopping” by administrators is SPOT ON! How can administrators think this is good for kids ?
The main issue with fatherlessness is that it is COMPLETELY socially acceptable for a man to abandon his child, being a deadbeat dad is more socially acceptable than being a single mother. It is crazy.
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Yet the caveat to your claim about DEADBEAT DADS maybe true, I would argue also that the Court system have given women/single mothers to much power and liberty to deny/limit access to fathers/dads who want to be involved in their children lives. Remember! It took two to make a child. So with that, these are areas in which Family Courts should change and ratify whereby the court decisions should consider the fathers counsel regarding the child's education and, as well as, other factors too in their child's lives.
Agree
Unfortunately a lot of men framed as “deadbeats” would love to be involved but due to the mother’s poor character he is kept away
@@malcolmhodnett8874You people always have excuses. Go to court and fight for your rights as a father or shut up with the whoa is me excuses.
Ask yourself, why there are no school shootings in Africa? Exactly, there is respect for elders, and large families including fathers, someone is always around to correct a childs behavior
Interesting we were just talking about that and you don’t hear about shootings in schools in Africa, Mexico, Canada, Europe…only here in America 🤷🏻♀️🤔
Africa is extreme the other way sometimes toooo much beating !
oh no your from ask yourself retard
Africa is a continent, with a wide range of wealth, poverty, lack of access to education etc. There's no child labor laws in some countries in Africa. Some deny education to girls. Kids are not even in schools, in some cases. And they are structurally very different vs usa school systems. So, comparing apples to oranges on that one. Kids in America are not allowed to form opinions or express interest in topics. It's all dictated by the curriculum, standards. So if your kid does not have interest in biology, too bad. Name adults who learn willingly? Few. We destroy the inherent curiosity, interest in "learning" kids might have, at a very young age, in the usa schools.
@@cathycoryell2351 im well aware as i retired here in africa-24 year teacher. Lack of child labor laws has nothing to do with this discussion....you are just trying to throw dirt on africa, a place you knownlittle about. The onlynreason why kids aren t in school is because parents cant afford school fees, or the children are in the village. You dont need mathematics to cook, or carry water. Their schools are almost exactly like western schools as they took on the colonizers model of education. Kids are absolutely allowed to express themselves in america, as a matter of fact they over express their opinions without permission from the teacher , and with little prior knowledge. Frequently they embarrassed themselves by repeating MSM talking points. Standards are put in place by local governments so there is somewhat a basic sameness to instruction. 10th grade world history in sacrmento is the same as LA. The parents outrage at nothing has forced teachers to be less creative and less likely to stray away from the standards for risk of having a dumbass parent like yourself, getting upset at every little thing and complaining about the teacher. Thats what took the magic out of teaching.....thosenadults who dont want tonlearn willingly are the exact adults who have ruined education. No one is preventing the parents from allowing their child to research independently- sounds like youre blame shifting. So your argument is null and void quit blaming the education system and blame your gangster rap loving, hollywood pedophilia culture, tiktok watching, lack of parent involvement brainwashed culture on child violence. And once again, no school shootings here in africa because we raise our children with morals and respect. Sincerely, an american living in africa the last 8 years
And we need to address the WHOLE culture that gets away with fatherlessness.
Fatherless is the core of the problem and once that is fixed other issues will be fixed.
Very true Gary. I am subscribing and your channel will grow if this kinds of podcast continues about the truth and no wokeness please
@@ratumelimatanatoto2488 No wokeness PLEASE!!!
We have been encouraging single motherhood also. Feminists have been pushing the glories of it.
@@sorbabaric1no single mother I know wants to be a single mother that is a crap argument usually made by a deadbeat dad.
@@K-sd5so I know a woman who started a relationship with a man who’s serving 20+ year prison sentence. Her 3 children don’t have a father present, and while in prison, he contributes nothing financially. She did this to herself. And the radical feminists have been pushing that women don’t need men. Or children fathers. Why do so many women get pregnant by men who aren’t going to (predictably) stick around. Like the young man they know has dropped out of high school, has no job, and 2 previous children by 2 separate women. I’m talking about the many women I know who have already had a baby with a boyfriend , then had a second and third child from different men, all who have children with other women. “Boyfriend “ implies “temporary” relationship. And yes, these are all instances I know of personally. So women making bad choices in who they have relationships with. Why would any woman think the man with 3 children already from 2 baby moms and no job will be their partner in raising a child ? Duh. How about taking some responsibility for their own decisions.
My husband started subbing a couple years ago. It’s been really eye opening for us to see how schools are ran these days. There are a couple schools that he either won’t go to or tries not to go to because of behavioral problems mixed with administration issues. It’s crazy.
I loved hearing how both of your experiences and book learning and convictions amplify your universalist belief in the power of education
Gary's wisdom is off the charts. When he said trauma is being used as an excuse to avoid regulating one's emotions. Like Gary said: having trauma does not give you license to bleed all over everyone else. The result is the production of emotionally unregulated narcissists who are caught in a loop of replaying their own trauma, which retraumatizes themselves as well as traumatizes others. Emotional self regulation and order is key to the functioning of a healthy society. If everyone adopts a "Do as thou will" attitude, society crumbles. We have to care about the greater good and the individual's actions must progress society for growth to continue. We can't just all do what we want no matter who it harms or how it stunts society. The individual must serve society and society must serve the individual.
35:50 "You know how kids learn to read, right? They read a lot... The #1 thing that makes a kid a good reader is the action of reading - and they should read voluminously AND they should read on or above grade level."
With the standards based grading, my eldest went to public school for one year (Kindy) before we pulled her to private school. The teachers put on her first term progress reports that she wasn’t meeting standards on things we 100% knew she was meeting (like saying the alphabet, telling a story, or counting to 100, for example). Lo and behold, the next progress report she would be one standard higher. Then the next progress report for the final scores of the year - wow! She’s meeting/exceeding everything! When really she had barely shifted since she was already meeting/exceeding standards at the beginning of the year.
I don’t think they even tested her at all. When we questioned the teacher about it, we were told “well we can only evaluate what we see” as though my bright, gregarious child suddenly clammed up and wouldn’t count or say abc at school.
Thank you for this interview, I’m a university instructor and I experience all of these things that you’re talking about downstream.
When teachers, nurses and police are quitting in high numbers, all across the West, all citing the same reasons (pressure, violence, impossible standards, unparented children that are impossible to handle, new age policies that don't work in real situations etc) and warning about the new generations and attitude shifts - we in for a bumpy ride 😅 they're the canary in the coalmine
41:12 "Why is it that that being a plumber or electrician is perceived as lower than a lawyer or accountant..?" This is a major major problem with secondary education. Im in teaching 29 years now as an Arts teacher, and I have seen the decline in student ability to use their hands for basic things such as writing, forming with clay, using a scissors, handling a camera or other tool. I blame cell phones and computers. When computer labs came into schools, what the displaced were wood shops, metal shops, auto technology departments and other hands-on Industrial Arts classrooms. And with those classrooms went the courses and the constant, visible opportunity for a career in those areas. Mind you, the need for these vocations has not waned. Now only a small handul of "lucky" kids get sent to an offsite program. I see many lost students every career day, being fed the line of " everyone needs to go to college" . No. They don't. Every lawyer and accountant needs a plumber or electrician and car mechanic. What a horrible disservice we have done to these kids in the name of "technological progress".
Thank you for having this man on your channel. It was such a pleasure to listen to both of you.
He has been saying everything I've been thinking and voicing out loud; but he's also put some thoughts into words better than I've been able to, so I appreciated hearing those summaries to better deliver those same thought bubbles.
In regards to the conversation @25:00, talking about kids being stuck at a lower "grade level" - I TOTALLY AGREE.
I've actually been trying to express this at my job. I'm a software engineer and a graphic artist, among a few other things; but recently at my jobs we've been talking about standardization and best practices.
I got a lot of push back from the "entries who watched a couple of youtube videos and therefore they know everything" when I suggested a standard for our code.
This kids will read something online from some random youtuber, or random post on stack overflow, and they treat that opinion as if it were the word of God.
"Oh well so-and-so with 50k followers says that you should use complete if/else statements because it's easier for newbies to read"
And I was like... "Your code should be clean and human readable.. but ...no, sorry not sorry. If we ONLY write code for the new developers... then we will ALWAYS write 'entry level' code. You will stagnate. You will never grow. You will never learn, because you will never be exposed to cleaner/better/faster and more efficient code. Yes, the "ternary operator" is "very scary" for new developers, but once you understand it's simplicity, you will never go back and it will pave the way for you to discover new logical solutions to the code you wrote when you were a baby dev"
I just retired after 17 years of teaching secondary (2006-2023), I’ve had a front row seat to the mind shift you guys are taking about. I didn’t realize it till I started listening to you, but this is the BASE reason why we are pulling our kids out of the school district to homeschool.
I am not a teacher, but ever since I was little I’ve always had a desire and heart to teach. I would even play school with my little sister at the time or the neighborhood kids and pretend we were in class and I was the teacher. I never thought that I would be teaching my daughters my oldest is seven and I started teaching her since kindergarten. She was supposed to have attended school but it happened during Covid and I decided “well this may be a sign might as well get started”, ever since I was able to teach her how to read, I never looked back.
There are days where I feel like I’ve been adequate because I did not receive the credentials to teach. I did not attend college, all I have is the heart to want my children to succeed, and to provide the materials and resources available and most importantly trust in my God.
Trish, you are exposing so many of the reasons I'm homeschooling my kids. And it's apparently worse than I thought it was. I didn't think I got an adequate public school education, and I'm around your age. I've been binge-listening to your videos and interviews and it's so refreshing to hear a level-headed, thoughtful perspective. And I know it's not easy to put yourself out there and call it like you see it in this social climate. I really, really appreciate you :)
Thank you so much!!! ❤️
God, every day I'm thankful for my mother. She was an unwed, teenage mother (2 children by 16), but that didn't stop her at All. She went to work at 17, and started a life long career (that she just retired from) at 20. And, my brother and I were blessed with awesome grandparents, who watched us when she had to work, and were instrumental in our upbringing as well. Anyway, my mother read to us every night that we were with her. We lived with her full time by the time I was 8, and she continued to read to us, now each and every night. We Had to do our homework. There's so much more I could say, but this comment would be entirely too long. I just really, Really encourage all parents to be involved in their children's education, and their lives.
I went through treatment for leukemia from kindergarten-third grade. I was developing learning disabilities during those years as well. My parents made sure I behaved at school. In 4th grade the public schools told my parents I would never graduate from high school. For two years my parents fought very hard to get into a middle/high school for kids with learning disabilities. I LOVED my special ed school. The Learning Prep School in Newton, Massachusetts was so amazing. I was able to graduate from high school and college. During the 2020-2021 school year I was hired as an aide so the kids could get back in the classroom. I couldn't believe the behaviors that kids were allowed to get away with. If my classmates and I swore at a teacher, not only would we receive detention, (students come from all over Massachusetts so detention was served at lunchtime) we had to bring our detention slip home to have a parent sign. I'm a stay at home mom now, and I am making sure my son knows how read at least a few words before he goes to kindergarten. I don't want him to struggle like I did.
I was in middle and high school when my teachers started incorporating book choice into their classes. Experiencing both (class sets & book choice) as a student, I remember the "class set" books better, recall more stimulating conversations about them, and felt better scaffolded as I learned. It is SO valuable for a student to find community through reading - even if the text is not easy for them.
I teach art and I am very candid with my students. A kid told me 'I won't do anything you assign'. Out of pure curiosity I simply asked why. He said I have an IEP and I'm cool getting a D. I was stunned. I opened my laptop pulled up his file and noticed he had a D in most classes. So I showed him the file and asked if that's your strategy for all his classes. He shrugged his shoulders said why do the work and walked away. I had no more words and didn't even bring it up to the middle school Dean. No point. Nothing seems done when I do file stuff. To quote a parent 'You only teach Art'.
Very sad and a set up for future failure.
Focus your efforts on the students who are ready, willing and able to learn. That level of apathy is pervasive and now inherent in the child's being, and that ISN'T something one person alone can change. You are doing your best!
It all starts at home. I feel I can say this even though I am not a parent because I watched all of my friends raise kids and they did a terrible job. The entitlement is outrageous.
I just found this channel and I love it! As a teacher for the last 25 years I can say you are speaking my language! Spot on with your thoughts and discussions! Thank you!
Thanks and welcome!! ❤❤❤
I totally agree that we are reinforcing their bad behavior. We ARE perpetuating their trauma. I see this happening everyday. We are expected to tolerate outrageous behavior and not be concerned about the rest of the class. This is my final year in public education. This is year 29 for me and I just can’t anymore. It is destroying my health and wellbeing.
What you said at 48:36 needs to be shouted from the rooftop! There is so much pressure put on our administrators as well. Plus, they are constantly being pulled off campus for meetings and trainings and given so many meaningless tasks to do that they are not available to help.
Yes. The reciprocity principle should go all the way to the top. If those at the district, city, state, and federal levels want all this from us, then they have to do something in return to make it possible.
@@TheDifferentThinkerYup.
My seventh grade english teacher had a huge library of books in her classroom. We had books that we read as a class to go along with the curriculum, but after the lessons we could go through and check out books we wanted to read on our own from her collection. It was AWESOME.
My 4th-6th grade teacher (3 grade classroom) had a little library like that and it was all honor system, she’d even let kids keep books from there if they read a book that became very important to them and they couldn’t afford their own copy.
Same. Making books easy accessible and choosing from a genre we like- It inspired me to have my own library at home and continually browse for new books at my local library!
I agree with you Trish that the teacher has been the only one working and therefore the kids have become so lazy that they are just waiting for the teacher to do the work.
In my teaching prep courses during the early 90s, I heard "The students should go home more tired than you." Completely flipped now.
So true. I'm a sub, and I've been in middle school classes with students so lazy that they don't even want to open or read the textbook during an open book test or quiz. They'd rather guess or fail than read or flip a page. And there have been times in elementary school where we will do a math or grammar assignment together as a class, with the answers put on the whiteboard as we go along. I'll even remind the class, "Write down what we're doing. There's no reason anyone should have a blank piece of paper or a missing answer." Yet, in some cases, I will see plenty of blank papers and missing answers as I walk around the classroom.
@@Quentenius My problem is that they still SAY that, but if you assign even one iota of homework, even in an advanced class, I get a talking-to!
Now it is spilling over to college. Students are shocked that they have to buy the textbook and read it. “You mean everything isn’t in the notes?”
This is the third video of yours I’ve watched (each one has been good), but it will be the first one I cannot wait to share with others! My wife and I are both teachers and our friends are teachers. We talk about this stuff all the time.
Such an interesting and important conversation. I was definitely allergic to hard work as a kid - but thankfully I had my teachers and parents PUSH ME. Hoping we get back to this.
The 70s and 80s was the time to be a teacher. Parents were involved, meeting the teachers at the end of the semester. Students respected the teachers for the most part. What they taught fostered critical thinking and most everyone were at least on level for reading and arithmetic.
I had some great teachers growing up in predominantly black schools in the 60's and 70's. They didn't put up with nonsense. We learned the basics and things that prepared us to compete with students in more prosperous schools. We also learned military drills and square dancing. We read classic books, as well as Paul Laurence Dunbar.
I agree. I started teaching in 1976. Those were some great years. We had a lot of SE Asian families arriving after the war and they were awesome. We also had many Hispanic families living in the area. I loved those kids and their families. So supportive. So motivated. Our Anglo kids/families were amazing too. Such a great mixture of cultures and valuing schools. I’ve been retired 20+ years (after 33 years teaching) and I’m horrified with what is happening in our schools. My son wants to be a teacher but, for now, he works in the Criminal Justice system. I feel like he has”leap frogged” over the classroom and landed where many of today’s students will end up. Sad……..
My grandma was a teacher from the 60s up to the early 90s. She had ulcers from how much stress she was under as a teacher. Her students had absent parents and behavior issues. Her admin meddled in unhelpful ways. She loved her job, but it was far from perfect. All of the teachers acting like their job just got difficult should talk to a retired teacher who isn’t bitter. Kids aren’t worse behaved than ever. They aren’t incapable of learning. Teaching is wonderful, but has always been difficult for a lot of the same reasons it’s difficult now.
Gary is exactly right. I remember my mother and my grandmother purposely had me read higher level books outside of school to help me widen my vocabulary (and it worked).
Absolutely. I had access to any book in the home or available at my public library!
You are both spot on. Thank you for exploring the core problems eroding education. I think we need fewer suits in offices and more teachers and aides in the classroom.
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Thank you for telling the truth and having a sensible debate, a rarity these days.
Hopefully common sense will prevail within the next two decades.
Everything after Minute 13:00 is just so accurate it hurts to hear it articulated so eloquently because the problem is so complex and prevalent that it’s hard to feel hopeful but the fact that this conversation happened is huge.
There's infinite content online, but your discussions about education are really important. Thank you, Trish!!!
Thank you!! ❤️
It's absolutely incredible to me how unapologetically emotionally reactive older kids and young adults have become due to the whole trauma thing. I'm autistic and have always been fairly sensitive which would cause me to have meltdowns. It only took a handful of meltdowns at school before the looks and judgment I received from my peers started hurting more than the cause of the meltdown itself. I learned to either ignore what was triggering me or disassociate myself from the situation to be able to laugh. I don't like being a burden or inconveniencing anyone which a public meltdown certainly does. While its not okay to judge people for who they are, I think it IS okay to shame disrespectful behavior regardless of the cause. For the past several years, media has pounded into our heads to "not care what other people think about you" which I think has lead to people dismissing any shame or criticisms they receive for their actions.
I've never fully understood the fatherless issue. Like, of course having both parents is good for many reasons, but I don't see it to be as detrimental as people make it sound to only be raised by a mother. My parents got divorced when I was 3 and didn't see or talk to my dad again until I was 21. My mom raised me by herself and I think I turned out okay. I might not be the stereotypical "manly man", but I guarantee I'm a better, smarter, kinder, more understanding, and overall more well-rounded man than most of the men I know that had both parents. In my opinion, it doesn't matter if you have one or both parents as much as the parent(s) being good people themselves who care about and listen to their child.
@James Lawler Thank you for sharing your story and for your vulnerability. You are an example of how individuals can rise above their struggles and become a positive force in the world.
James thank you so much for sharing your experience and thoughts! I love the way you think and it is true. Some shame is a healthy dose of a reality check in my opinion I don’t agree that we should never shame our children. Of course, that shouldn’t be the main thing to get them to change or whatever but a little healthy dose of it does help kids look at themselves in the mirror and then see their surroundings that something it’s not quite right they’re able to pinpoint back to the problem and then they can see that the problem is then not others. I also grew up without my dad. He left when I was like nine but in my experience, I do think that it has hurt me greatly emotionally and my little sister I do believe that in general fathers are very important in order to raise well-rounded children, there are even statistics. Maybe this doesn’t speak much to you and that’s fine, but there are statistics that say that children actually thrive better if they’re raised by their father single father, than they do with single mothers, and that tells you that there is something different about men and women. Obviously the best ideal is both healthy parents in a marriage to raise children, and there will always be exceptions. That is true for example, in my position because my parents were divorced, I should have been another statistic, teen pregnancy, substance issues, depression , but I was able to surpass these things and not struggle with them, but it does it mean that it’s just because I didn’t go through it does it mean that everyone else is OK if that makes sense I really do think that having Father’s Day with families will do more good than harm right now everything’s a hot mess.
I’m so glad there’s been a dialogue opened about the science of reading. I’m using UFLI at home to teach my child to read and we do lots of read aloud as at home (a mixture of non fiction and fiction) and I make sure that a lot of those books are 2-3 grades above his reading level. He’s in preschool reading at 1st grade level so we read books for k-3 heavy on the 2nd and 3rd grade non fiction texts.
Thanks!
Thank you so much!!! ❤️❤️❤️
Thank you so much for this talk. Former art teacher here and this is such a profound and accurate analysis of everything that I experienced at my middle school. So many kids had so much potential and the system stubbornly failed them again and again. There was no positive reinforcement for the good students who did exactly what they were supposed to do. They just had to put up with the terrorizing behavior of the “bad” kids, and the bad kids got rewarded with getting their way and effectively getting to run the school. New admin cycled through the school on an annual basis-no real leadership for the kids to respect.
This is what my high school is experiencing. There is a district wide push to elevate current classroom teachers into leadership positions. Mind you, our district admin creates new titles every year. I replied to the stupid email that was reminding us about the “opportunity” and told them they needed to be focused on filling and maintaining classroom teaching positions instead of creating more admin positions. In all honesty i thought it was an automated email and didn’t expect a response lol but they replied and said thank you for your input 🤣
Great conversation from two student advocates! Your warm authenticity is refreshing and thought-provoking. In this teacher's opinion, you two are sharing intergenerational wisdom! :)
"You don't get good at reading when you read weak texts." So true! This idea that any book is a good book if a child likes it is such crap, and is mainly supported by adults whose own reading peaked at the level of chick lit. I homeschooled my daughter through early elementary. She was reading at 7th grade level in 3rd grade. Then we enrolled her on public school (huge mistake) and she has never progressed past that level since. We took her out after 9th grade and are slowly remediating. She can now read higher level texts with more conplex ideas and, most importantly, can talk about them. She still has a long way to go, but moving away from this public school idea on reading has been immensely helpful for her.
I'm a high school registrar and this whole conversation is an accurate depiction of what's happening to school staff. Parents can not be bothered to uphold their responsibilities when it comes to their kids. Leaving it in the hands of teachers to do the parenting for them. Kids have no accountability for their actions in acting out constantly.
Thank you both for having this insightful conversation. Bless your hearts and wish you the very best! 🙌🏾✨️
My mom taught in the 80's/90's. I laughed when she called the 90's the golden age of teaching, and I was grateful he corrected her and said hats when things started falling apart. My mom saw it early when public school was failing her own kids. She worked all day teaching other kids and came home to find out her own kids learned nothing. They'd stay up till 10 pm trying to keep up with the homework load. Meanwhile my brother who was 5 was constantly insulted by his teachers. Yheys say "He's cute but dumb" and "He's not college material" and when she tried helping they claimed it wasn't her job it was there job. She she pulled them out, she quit teaching other kids, and she home schooled. We got ahead in homeschool. In college we were in the honors society. My brother was diagnosed with high functioning autism. He got a PhD.
Awesome story, thank you for sharing.
I’m a homeschooling mom but this channel has been very informative for myself. Although my children don’t attend “traditional” school I have used your input as a guide for me. Thanks 😊
Yes same here! Homeschooling mom or 17 years. Loving your videos!
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@@nicolehill1178 17 years! Wow you are amazing
I graduated highschool in 2009 and disrespecting teachers meant you got detention, shamed, and looked down on by your community.
Now it's actually encouraged?!??!
We are living in lawless times.
Right. In the 90's, it was really not cool to be disruptive. Nobody thought it was funny. You got glared at by students and told to leave by the teacher.
Single mom here.....I homeschooled 3 boys and worked fulltime. My sons are independent and successful adults. Too many lazy parents with excuses.
you're one of the rare ones. Glad it worked out well and that you did the right things in your situation.
Asses got whooped in your house.
Yup too many people that give up too easily.
How did you homeschool while working? I homeschool also Im always interested in learning and adapting.
@@Ummkelechi I work from home
As a former teacher now pursuing a masters in applied behavior analysis, I love how this guy mentioned principles of behavior throughout!
My experience in teaching really made me interested in learning about prompt dependency.
Knowledge of performance, knowledge of results, prompt timing... it's all so fascinating!
Now I have to look up prompt dependency; my daughter started needing a lot more feedback when we switched from homeschooling to public school...thanks for the brain food!
I love these talks. I am not a teacher but I am a 53 year old parent of 2 children going through the school system. All the things I am scratching my head about regarding the current school system compared to my experience in the 1970s and 1980s is explained by these podcasts. All is revealed.
I was that teacher who loved teaching as well. I was left with the custodians too around 7 or 8 pm. I spent thousands of dollars on my classroom and adored my students. This was from the mid-90s until around 2006.
I loved teaching so much that I stopped teaching two years to pursue a master's degree in curriculum and instruction with a concentration in literacy. I wanted to support students who struggled with reading and writing. I was able to do so as a reading specialist and a curriculum facilitator and I loved it! I taught at various types of schools and never experienced disrespectful students. However, I became a teacher educator in an early childhood ed program and noticed as the years passed that many of the college students were highly underprepared for college (reading, writing, critical thinking, study habits, etc.) and every semester there would be a handful of them who were extremely disrespectful and possessed a sense of entitlement.