Fiordland Moose Documentary (2024)
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- Опубликовано: 23 дек 2023
- Could the Fiordland Moose still be out in the wilderness of New Zealand?
Big thank you to Ken Tustin for this interview and insight in to a fascinating subject
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If you want to catch Ken talking about other stuff, please check out this great podcast by KiwiTales - ruclips.net/video/73IZKnRSOK0/видео.html&t
Awesome little listen. Was awesome to hear Max Curtis being mentioned. He's my wife's grandfather and was a massive massive part of game hunting in New Zealand and an avid wildlife photographer who took some amazing pictures of some of New Zealands most elusive wildlife. Thanks for all your contributions Max
Awesome, I love all Maxs books👍
The red deer mob in your video is not in New Zealand ( bird life is wrong )
In the mid sixties ( some where between 1963 and 1970 ) my uncle and his mates were fishing for bluefin tuna off Fiordland . They were sheltering in one of the sounds when they came across a fishing boat with what appeared to be a horse hanging from the rigging , on closer inspection this was recognised as a Moose .The fishermen had shot it when it was swimming across the fiord , and were using it for crayfish bait . They did a swap for some Tuna . My uncle and his mates were very experienced deer stalkers and said the moose was better eating than any red deer . My Nephew's father-in-law has a cast NZ moose antler in his shed , he found it in a woolshed on a station he was working on as a young man , no one could tell him where it came from or anything about it , so he kept it . I am the guy who recognised the antlers found in an Auckland second hand shop for what they were , and persuaded the owner to get them to Ken , who I believe has them . Good Video , we need more like this .
Red deer mob? What part of the video?
@Arnie-fn6ss The first time it starts about 4.37
@@duncnz9128you’re correct- you can see a few jackdaws- also that was taken in Richmond park I believe- been there enough to recognise those gates. 😂
Edit- showed it to my brother and his immediate reaction was “definitely Richmond”- he’s taken some amazing photos there. This red deer are the European variety which were introduced to a few parks in the UK- the Scottish red deer, the British subspecies is slightly smaller.
@@johnmead8437 cool, thanks.
Great interview Cookie and thank you Ken for sharing all of your work.
Awesome video, never knew about Moose being in NZ!
Thanks for Posting this Video an doing the time with Ken Tustin. i believe i had an encounter with Ken back in late 2000s on a small plane to Invercargil , i was reading a hunting book an he? asked me "If I knew There was Moose in NZ"..... as a younger fella, i rediculed it....... Now all these years later with a Passion or Interest in the Fiordland Wapiti era, its become obvious, Moose resided in NZ. Hope he finds one.............
I used to work with someone in 2015 that swore black and blue that he has seen a moose in the area they were shot in the 50's in 2000......he was bush hunting and tracking movement thru his scope across a creek and got a good look at it, didn't shoot it as he was too astonished at first and once he got his shit together again figured shooting wouldn't be a good idea with the tiny numbers that there must be, altho he did admit that having a .222 in his hands at the time 'may' have played a part in that decision ......he didn't report it as the last time he had heard of someone doing that in the 80's DOC had sent in teams of cullers to exterminate the 'last of the moose', altho thankfully without anything success.
@@johnmead8437 Doc has twice to my knowledge sent teams in to investigate and if possible shoot moose following reported sightings, once in the 90's and once in mid 2000's, the one in the mid 2000's was after someone made public film of moose foot prints still filling with water in wet jacket arm
Thanks for another awesome video👏👏
Those old deer cullers were a willy bunch, they wouldn't tell you much if anything. Great doco!
Loved listening to that. And don't you just admire somebody who is so passionate about their subject. I would like to source a copy of his book. And most of all... I hope and pray he gets to see an NZ moose in the flesh before his time is up.
Such a brilliant episode
Awesome episode cookie. I watched a little bit about the new zealand moose with forrest galante.
Yay, a Christmas Cookie!
This is a full documentary well done mate.
Really professional and its fair to say you are the next David Attenborough.
If you ever want to see a european elk go to the Netherlands we have them in such an huge enclosure they dont have to be fed.
If you go have a fan meeting.
I've skipped to see if it was good.
Today I'll listen it at work as a sort of Christmas present for me.
Until I see a picture I am sort of abit of an unbeliever…. But the Milford is a massive area. And I still believe there’s a massive chance a small group is there.., that’s a big if… but I am still on the line.. well done Ken. You have huge respect for all your research 💪💪
Merry Christmas
Great doco. Now do Moa - thanks
..in Canada, apparently our swamp donkeys' digestive system adapts to poorer quality woody browse in our cold Winters...then they eat a lot of aquatic plants during the Summer....I'd be looking for them around bogs...
Great interview Cookie, you managed to get enough adverts into the doco though 😂
1 question I would have asked him would be, if moose are found there would he intervene or just let the final ones die off?
They been looking for the "little scrub moa" as well
Yea heard a few ideas about them being down south, sadly probably far from reality. But love to see a video on this channel about this
He comes across as so knowledgeable. 100 percent they are there I'm guessing 8 to 10 individuals
It’s hard to believe that just 100 years ago anyone associated with animals on any level would think that introducing foreign animals into a closed ecosystem would be a good idea.
The animals all look overly small probably from lack of suitable food
IMO the diminishing viable future of moose 'hunting' in NZ is likely to be in satellite or drone technology. Drones MIGHT be illegal unless DoC permission given?
Even on Google Earth Satellite mode you can find shapes that tally with the size and vague shape of a moose in clearings. One even looked like it might have antlers of the exact size of a large adult. But I'd be accused of pareidolia if I put even the most possible one up on YT. Not sure of copyright issues with Google Earth as such either(?).
Great vid Cookie! Interesting character with obvious local knowledge etc.
A swimming moose might be the most determinable re satellite finds.
Great video, all you need to do is find a big cat in New Zealand now
Amazing video! Seriously you need to get out there with the floppy haired teenager and get proper photo evidence! Happy Christmas! 🌲🌲🌲🥳🥳🥳
Great video mate it would be nice if they could bring another like 20 moose or so to keep the population up then they won't end up going extinct
Why though, they are not native. It’s better to put more effort into conserving native wild life.
Fun fact: moose often hqve twins
Australia has rabbits foxes camels. Cane toads and plenty other imported animals that distroy every thing .if anyone won'ts to hunt any thing buy the thousand
Short story long hope you had a good day out
Evolution doesn't 'design' anything it is a gradual process of adjustment, refinement or failure over time.
Agreed, and it’s also not perfect.
More likely then big cats in England. Omnivores and herbivores tend to find it easier to adapt and are therefore more successfully introduced.
Though New Zealand is slightly different, climate is somewhat similar to Northern Europe- perhaps that is why weasels and stoats have had so much success in NZ.
@@johnmead8437 don’t agree at all, climate, population of prey etc is extremely low compared to their natural habitats. Lynx possibly, however I do not consider a lynx a big cat.
Also records are skewd, we’ve had reportage of panthers (melanistic leopards/jaguars) and low reports of non-melanistic leopards and jaguars… it’s a rare genetic mutation, the overload of reports of these types suggest that the reports are not credible.
Also there’s no proof, no skeleton proof, no ravaged prey, no actual photos, no track markings, no poo samples…
Also to negate another criticism- a handful of camera traps were set in areas of the atlas mountain range- and evidence of a singular leopard was found… this area is far more expansively wild then any area in the UK. It is also got great habitat and the correct sort of climate for leopards.
@@johnmead8437 there is a minimum sustainable population required for the population to persist- single digits spread over a large area would not be enough for a population to exist long term. Also you can see by looking at range maps that their populations become far more scarce the more north you go in Asia… England compared to southern Russia and northern China we have far less prey availability- there’s no chance of any population in the Uk- any that appear are going to be recent escapes.
Also jaguars are not highly adaptable a leopards are but different subspecies, ie northern races would find it much easier to live in English climates a however most of our zoo populations are not of the northern races.
Purely mathematically how many do you need for them to survive?
The inbreeding gotta be intense...
There’s something called the 50/500 rule that says 50 is the minimum number to avoid inbreeding and 500 to avoid genetic drift.
@@johnmead8437 They could be deeply inbred and still survive quite well and repopulate. Heterogeneity is great over vast periods of time, but over years and centuries inbreeding does not necessarily mean extinction.
whats a chamwah
chamois pronounced shammy
It is a small antelope from Austria released in Franz Josef NZ. They. Like bluffs for safety.
@@nathanflintoft664pronounced sham-wa
NOPE i personally HATE all hunters,,,Sad world we live in and i wont watch this videa due the fact its seemingly promoting hunting
You could hunt with a camera, as we do. That's fun 😊
No one asked for your opinion c^nt.
@@py7493 Probably because hunters, in that country, have to be super fit and tough as nuts. They probably embarrass him.
Well Nature loves hunters, and her greatest invention is predation. Perhaps you should hate the opposite of hunting, the great destroyed of life: commercial agriculture!
@@Agnemons shapumalwildcatt2800's handle is from two notable hunting species! You can't make this stuff up, what are they teaching in school these days? Oh I know Walt Disney = biology! Not to mention it was hunter's dollars that brought the moose into NZ in the first place. Now DOC wants to rid the rivers and lakes of rainbow and brown trout!