Hammaborg - Longsword Techniques (Pt. 1/8): Peter Falkner Manuscript

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  • Опубликовано: 16 ноя 2024

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  • @SgtCronic
    @SgtCronic 11 лет назад

    You really have a gift in instruction. Your skill and techniques are excellent, and we thoroughly enjoy them. If you are able, please put up more instructional videos.

  • @DierkHagedorn
    @DierkHagedorn  11 лет назад

    That truly is one excellent comment which helps me to enhance my skills. Thank you so much, sir.

  • @UrbanCohort
    @UrbanCohort 11 лет назад

    Thanks for the tip. Fortunately I found a place not terribly far from where I live, a group called forte swordplay. It's only been 4 weeks now but I've already learned a ton and there's no end in sight to the longsword's applications.
    It's pretty exciting, actually.

  • @DaUsher
    @DaUsher 12 лет назад

    I don't mind at all! I'm always returning to videos like these, but I always forget to thank the others who have answered before, Mr Hagedorn included.
    Silly me.
    Still, your answer is really helpful, and I thank you as well as the rest.
    Peace.

  • @sexpot52
    @sexpot52 11 лет назад

    More videos please this is so awesome.

  • @TheBoxingCannabyte
    @TheBoxingCannabyte 11 лет назад +1

    Wow, that makes a lot of sense. Even though I'm still struggling to figure out exactly how to balance out my bastard sword (it's a training sword but it's pretty well balanced from the accounts of people more knowledgable than me. It's a cold steel polyprop sword)

  • @DierkHagedorn
    @DierkHagedorn  11 лет назад

    Absolutely. The tighter the grip on the handle, the less sensual input you are ale to register. Which is what fencing is about to at least some degree.

  • @DierkHagedorn
    @DierkHagedorn  11 лет назад

    There are techniques for cutting and there are techniques for thrusting. From a bind it depends mostly on pressure and distance whether you are able to cut, thrust or even slice. (Called "die drei Wunder" - the three wounders - in Liechtenauer's teachings).

  • @DierkHagedorn
    @DierkHagedorn  13 лет назад

    @DaUsher Thanks for your kind words. Unfortunately though, I'm afraid that the two-handed sword of the Renaissance is not covered by my field of expertise. I am not aware of any German sources but believe that the Iberian material about the montante offers some insight in this respect. As for the availability of sources, I am very sorry not being able to help you there.

  • @fistoflegend7846
    @fistoflegend7846 10 лет назад

    Thank you for making this!

    • @DierkHagedorn
      @DierkHagedorn  10 лет назад

      You are perfectly welcome. Thanks to you.

  • @Veilliron
    @Veilliron 14 лет назад

    Hübsches Beispiel, in dem das Indes sehr schön gezeigt wird.
    Schöne Grüße aus Linz!

  • @DierkHagedorn
    @DierkHagedorn  11 лет назад

    Honestly, I don't quite understand your question. When you look at the illustration of the technique we are reconstructing, you clearly see fighters without armour. (Yes, I know, some harness fencing techniques in Talhoffer's manuscripts show the combatants without armour, but that's just one exception). Bloßfechten doesn't require armour, apparently.

  • @DierkHagedorn
    @DierkHagedorn  11 лет назад

    These are sword simulators off the rack from Pavel Moc. Most of them are okay, and I was happy with them for a while. Meanwhile I would always custom order to fit my height - as you suggest. A length from floor to armpit is a useful dimension to work with.

  • @OMFGHUGEWOLF
    @OMFGHUGEWOLF 13 лет назад

    I love this stuff, euro sword play is fun stuff to watch, love compairing the simularities that show up in euro sword play to the Iai I study.
    Alot that is different too, because you can not used a curved weapon exactly the same as a straight edge but still alot of simularities.

  • @DierkHagedorn
    @DierkHagedorn  11 лет назад

    Hello h3r3t1k, sorry for the late reply. The jacket is a fencing master jacket from allstar.

  • @DierkHagedorn
    @DierkHagedorn  11 лет назад

    Thanks, Duncan. If this is so, the answer is: The swords are approximately of the size used by such venerable gentlemen as Hans Döbringer, Andreas the Jew, Jost von der Neiße, or Niclas von Preußen. Should be good enough, since these seem to have been masters who really lived.

  • @DierkHagedorn
    @DierkHagedorn  13 лет назад

    @POPEPO71 and from the bind you seek your opponent's next opening. Depending on the distance, you can either strike or thrust at him.

  • @gurkfisk89
    @gurkfisk89 12 лет назад

    I would recommend the "hema alliance club finder". It's a map with most of the schools.
    I hope that you will find a group close to you.

  • @Surielis
    @Surielis 11 лет назад

    Right and I understand that. I was wondering if these short-edged techniques that usually are used for slicing, such as a schielhau could be made into a stab instead of a slice, making it usable for messer.

  • @DierkHagedorn
    @DierkHagedorn  11 лет назад

    Since the Messer has only one edge and is (mostly) curved, several techniques cannot be adapted. However, a fair amount can - as one can see in the manuscripts by Johannes Lecküchner. He relies heavily on Liechtenauer's teachings but adapts them (and increases them by sheer number) in an appropriate way.

  • @DierkHagedorn
    @DierkHagedorn  11 лет назад

    Thank you so much. I'll see what I can do.

  • @DierkHagedorn
    @DierkHagedorn  13 лет назад

    @POPEPO71 intentions, his position, his strength, and, of course, his blade. Also, one has to stay in the "vor", that is to retain the initiative. If you fail to do so, the adversary might take advantage of this and threaten you with his point. So, if you concentrate too much on a specific target and fail to reach it, you might find yourself hit at another opening. The winding is the action taken from the bind. As stated above, you should not leave the bind in order to gather information;

  • @swordandshield
    @swordandshield 15 лет назад

    Cool counter against winding into ochs.
    Thanks.

  • @JohnRaptor
    @JohnRaptor 12 лет назад

    In my (limited) knowledge, what few sources there are for the use of true two-handed swords points them being used almost exactly the same as the longsword. So whatever good sources, schools or clubs you can find on the longsword will get you at least in the ballpark.

  • @Lobo1888
    @Lobo1888 11 лет назад

    I'd like to see zweihander vs. sword and shield, I'd like to know the techniques and each advantages. Thank you!

  • @SavageInsight
    @SavageInsight 11 лет назад

    Thank you for the clarification - Sorry about the long delay. I meant longswords in general, though the Biden is exemplary. I asked because the majority of common knowledge seems to stem from judicial, personal, and otherwise non-battlefield use of the sword. Modern experts almost exclusively emphasize its use vs armor, yet the "combat puzzle" of a noble being left with only his sword vs a force had to have been an issue addressed, unless a fighter had frequent chances to pick up a fallen weapon

  • @Surielis
    @Surielis 11 лет назад

    Oh ok thank you again! This may answer the question I just asked you, but I posted that comment before I saw this.

  • @DierkHagedorn
    @DierkHagedorn  11 лет назад

    Oh my goodness! Are you really *the* Halofreakanoid? The true keeper of all martial arts? The speaker of wisdom and clarity? Oh, I am humbled by your comment. Surely, you must speak the truth. Greetings therefore from the depths of oblivion.

  • @DierkHagedorn
    @DierkHagedorn  11 лет назад

    Peter Falkner is rather late (1490s, same timeframe as Lecküchner) but he still is in Liechtenauer’s tradition. Interestingly, he adapts Messer techniques back into longsword. The nomenclature however is clearly influenced by Johannes Liechtenauer.

  • @UrbanCohort
    @UrbanCohort 11 лет назад

    The group recently helped organize/run a local event called the Iron Gate Exhibition.
    I didn't participate, of course, since I only just started and don't have any safety gear...and I couldn't make it to observe, unfortunately.

  • @000000AEA000000
    @000000AEA000000 11 лет назад

    youre aweseome Dierk

  • @WritingFighter
    @WritingFighter 10 лет назад

    It took me a really long time to get this particular movement through my head because I realize now why people say it is so unorthodox. My instinct (and initial defense) is always much more straightforward but if my opponent performed a move such as this, it might catch me off-guard.
    How would this work against or by a left-hander (such as myself)?
    Actually just figured out that if someone tried that on me after the bind, my arms would be crossed because I am left-handed; I'd be in a much worse position. But as a left-hander that particular motion is unusual for me to encounter (usually). But this is Liechtenauer we are talking about.

  • @DierkHagedorn
    @DierkHagedorn  13 лет назад

    @POPEPO71 As always, Master Liechtenauer's verses (or in this case, Master Falkner's adaptation of them) are tremendously tricky to understand and they withstand a clear translation. Double meanings of words have to be taken into consideration, and after all, they are verses, a very condensed form. The "war" (krieg) is what happens from the "bind" i.e. when the swords have made contact. One should not leave the bind because it is the bind that gives the fencer information about his adversary's

  • @DierkHagedorn
    @DierkHagedorn  11 лет назад

    My pleasure. Welcome to the desert of the real, dear friend.

  • @DierkHagedorn
    @DierkHagedorn  11 лет назад

    A sword has to comply with its user. Generally, a smaller person will need a shorter sword, a tall person will need a longer one. How long that actually is, can depend on various aspects, such as weight or just the correct "feel" of the sword. I have handled short and long swords alike, and size alone doesn’t tell you anything.

  • @DierkHagedorn
    @DierkHagedorn  11 лет назад

    500 character are by far not enough to discuss these matters, but in a duel situation, you usually would pair equal weapons. But depending on the shield, the sword and the version of the zweihänder, the result mostly relies on the skills of the fencer.

  • @Surielis
    @Surielis 11 лет назад

    I will admit that I do not know much about Western sword arts. I am rather new to beginning my research, but I am very interested in learning German longsword techniques. I am fascinated by the kriegsmesser particularly and am glad to see that many of the techniques are transferable. One question though: Would it generally be the techniques using the short or back edge of the sword that could not be used by the messer?

  • @DierkHagedorn
    @DierkHagedorn  13 лет назад

    @orcawne Sorry for the inconvenience. I'm afraid, you'll have to turn up the volume a bit.

  • @DierkHagedorn
    @DierkHagedorn  12 лет назад

    Two-handed swords like these were quite common. In the described context we deal with judicial duels. I'm not sure whether you refer to the large Bidenhänder - in this case, the timeframe would be some decades later.

  • @DierkHagedorn
    @DierkHagedorn  12 лет назад

    Like in all fencing, there is not THE technique that works EVERY TIME. This particular technique works if the guy who winds has not done it good enough, i.e. lacking intent, speed, decision, or measure or a combination of these. If he does his winden properly, the defender may not pull this off. This is all about strength vs. weak: By counter-winding I gain leverage with my strong of the blade against his weak. You are right however that in winden you need to find the next opening.

  • @HipposHateWater
    @HipposHateWater 12 лет назад

    I find most of the stuff that screws me up is trying to adapt to the circular tsuba vs a cross-guard. It's harder to keep someone's sword in check when all they have to do to free their blade is twitch it 2 inches. :P

  • @Shaitan00
    @Shaitan00 12 лет назад

    True two handed swords appeared much later and were used by specialized troops to defeat pike formations.

  • @DierkHagedorn
    @DierkHagedorn  11 лет назад

    Since I don't know where you live, I suggest to look up wiktenauer com, look out for "Community" on the left hand side and click "Global map" there.

  • @h3r3t1k
    @h3r3t1k 11 лет назад

    excellent material. I was wondering what kind of fencing jacket you use in this video?

  • @DierkHagedorn
    @DierkHagedorn  11 лет назад

    Erm, in case your reply was meant for Mystninja, I sincerely apologize. I just re-arranged the threads by conversation and not by time.

  • @DierkHagedorn
    @DierkHagedorn  11 лет назад

    I don't quite get it: Techniques that require the long edge can be be used in messer quite efficiently, of course. Since the short edge is not or not entirely sharp, some techniques that include cuts or slices will not work.

  • @DierkHagedorn
    @DierkHagedorn  11 лет назад +1

    So comparing some 70 + manuscripts in German to 5 in Italian must be tricky. Additionally, I would rather avoid the term "school". It's commonly used but a bit mis-leading. School suggests a relationship between master and apprentice. We know the name of Paulus Kal's master, everything else remains speculative. A "Fechtschul" (fencing school) in late medieval/early Renaissance Germany did not include instruction, it was rather a show and/or competition on a marketplace.

  • @DierkHagedorn
    @DierkHagedorn  11 лет назад

    Oh, thank you.

  • @MegaLordBane
    @MegaLordBane 12 лет назад

    in short, wouldnt that mean dont always attack over the top, cuz he'll gut u below, and in every wind u get into u need to find and opening and press the advantage?

  • @POPEPO71
    @POPEPO71 13 лет назад

    "Who endeavours the war
    above will be humilliated below.
    Learn to find stroke and thrust in every winding."
    what does this mean?????
    anyone can explain it to me?

  • @SavageInsight
    @SavageInsight 12 лет назад

    Am I right to suggest that these swords were for defense and city and are not the two handed swords used on battlefields?

  • @totalbeefcall579
    @totalbeefcall579 8 лет назад

    i didn't realize you could run him through with your blade with that technique

  • @UrbanCohort
    @UrbanCohort 11 лет назад

    It sure is, and certainly.

  • @DierkHagedorn
    @DierkHagedorn  11 лет назад

    Well, if you happen to participate in judicial duels a lot, learning the longsword to survive surely is recommendable... But seriously: What are you aiming at? If you want to avoid trouble in a streetfight, I'd say: Avoid trouble. Running from a knife fighter is much wiser than to fight him. If you just want to stay fit and agile, any martial art (or sport) should suffice. Having learned medieval wrestlind for instance serves many purposes but it cannot guarantee to come out unharmed in a brawl.

  • @digitalurbantactics
    @digitalurbantactics 13 лет назад

    youll see me there well when i move to germany :)

  • @Surielis
    @Surielis 11 лет назад

    Ah ok, thank you! I did not know that.

  • @BaanthVir
    @BaanthVir 11 лет назад

    He is referring to Ned Stark from Game of Thrones, although that was obviously a fake sword he is asking if there are any Claymores or Greatswords

  • @Daccio88
    @Daccio88 12 лет назад

    hello everybody. who can tell me the difference between medieval german school fencing longsword and medieval italian school fencing longsword???? for example (fiore de liberi and Liechtenauer etc etc....
    thanks

  • @Jewbear1884
    @Jewbear1884 12 лет назад

    My thanks.

  • @NYWAORCANZ
    @NYWAORCANZ 12 лет назад

    I will guess
    one clearly don't be so quick to pick a fight
    and two to learn all the vectors of attack.Lines and angles of attack
    winding??? could it mean in every movement of the blade or the arms causing wind to move?
    That is my guess

  • @Surielis
    @Surielis 11 лет назад

    And could those techniques be adapted by turning them into thrusts instead of cuts?

  • @SavageInsight
    @SavageInsight 12 лет назад

    It's like there's three kinds of swords people call "two-handed" - long, "claymores" and a Renaissance infantry weapon that could not be used with only one hand.

  • @HipposHateWater
    @HipposHateWater 12 лет назад

    IMHO the fechtbucher are really just teaching one how to fight using universal principles, regardless of what kind of weapon you may find in your hand at the time. For zweihander/biddenhander stuff, most people just use it like a longsword, and adjust their game to work with the traits of the weapon in their hand. (if it's heavy in the tip, good for cutting and giving you extra "oomph" with binding and winding; lively tip, dance and twitch it around for thrusthappiness, etc.)
    Just my 2 cents :)

  • @DierkHagedorn
    @DierkHagedorn  11 лет назад

    Since longsword and hand-and-a-half sword are commonly used as synonyms, I wouldn't see much difference there.

  • @HamsterPants522
    @HamsterPants522 11 лет назад

    I have a wooden longsword which reaches over 5 feet in length (just long enough to reach my armpit) and it often seems much larger than a normal longsword. Am I simple too tall? Were many longswords not designed for taller people? Or was it simply because they were easier to carry around if they were smaller?

  • @UrbanCohort
    @UrbanCohort 11 лет назад

    I'm kinda perusing your vids and I have a question - how would you recommend starting to learn the longsword? For all that I live in a fairly big city, there doesn't seem to be any 'formal' schools for the style around...

  • @DaUsher
    @DaUsher 13 лет назад

    Pardon my asking, but do you know where I can find readily available sources on the fighting techniques with the Renaissance-era true two-handed swords? Thanks.
    And great channel!

  • @DierkHagedorn
    @DierkHagedorn  11 лет назад

    Forte Swordplay, you say? Is this Jeff Tsay’s group? Will you please say hello to him and give my best regards.

  • @Jewbear1884
    @Jewbear1884 12 лет назад

    Excuse me for asking, but could anyone tell me if there is a school for German fencing in Midwestern America? I am quite interested in learning this.

  • @mattmanbrownbro
    @mattmanbrownbro 8 лет назад

    The way those swords sound when you wind. Are they sharps?

    • @DierkHagedorn
      @DierkHagedorn  8 лет назад

      In fact they are not. They are blunt swords by Pavel Moc.

  • @Surielis
    @Surielis 11 лет назад

    Would the Kriegsmesser have been used with the same techniques or were there different ones? And is Peter Falkner his own figure, or is he tied to the Liechtenauer method?

  • @Surielis
    @Surielis 11 лет назад

    Also, can longsword techniques be used for a hand-and-a-half sword? Or is the handle not long enough for some of the binding techniques I have seen you display?

  • @Halofreakanoid
    @Halofreakanoid 11 лет назад

    Yes, as is says "in reply to", that was meant for him, not you.

  • @HamsterPants522
    @HamsterPants522 11 лет назад

    I wasn't even being elitist, it just didn't make any sense to mention a fictional character. It'd be like if you went to a group of bow enthusiasts and asked if they had the bow of Legolas. It's just completely random and kinda seems like a joke.
    I love Game of Thrones, don't get me wrong, and they did try very hard to make the swords in the television show very convincing, but Ned's sword isn't really modeled after any historical design which means that it's probably not as good.

  • @DierkHagedorn
    @DierkHagedorn  11 лет назад

    Sorry for the late reply. Your question cannot be answered in just 500 characters, it's far too complicated. There are several differences but also some similarities between the two systems. But then again, I would argue to call *all* medieval German fencing just *one* style. There were several ways we know of in German fencing, but we have only data from just one or two Italian fencers.

  • @DierkHagedorn
    @DierkHagedorn  11 лет назад

    Honestly, I don't know what your question is about.

  • @DierkHagedorn
    @DierkHagedorn  11 лет назад

    You are mixing up *a lot* of things here. 1) We're dealing with judicial duels here (or even fencing for pleasure/entertainment). We have a set of weapons the combatans have agreed upon. 2) Yes, plate armour makes you sweat. No, it was no disadvantage. 3) Vikings and the style of armour worn in the era of the fechtbücher we deal with (please watch my according Gladiatoria videos on this channel) are separated by roughly 500 years. And 500 years ago from now was what? The knight in armour, right.

  • @DierkHagedorn
    @DierkHagedorn  11 лет назад

    Yes, indeed. Why?

  • @DoggdianV
    @DoggdianV 11 лет назад

    You mean Hamburg? The Port-City in north germany? ( Don't know the word for hafenstadt)

  • @amarimcdade7355
    @amarimcdade7355 9 лет назад

    is there a long sword team for kids

    • @hm...5429
      @hm...5429 9 лет назад

      no

    • @hm...5429
      @hm...5429 9 лет назад

      I have actually no idea but I think there isn't one. at least I wouldn't give a kid a longsword.

    • @DierkHagedorn
      @DierkHagedorn  8 лет назад

      +Amari Mcdade That depends largely on where you live. There may be. But this may differ from club to club. We for instance only allow members once they are 18, but there are plenty of instructors who also teach children.

  • @ranpleasant
    @ranpleasant 13 лет назад

    The demonstration would be more realistic if they stood within a realistic distance. At 1:39 their blade would not even touch the other.

  • @tuerkefechi
    @tuerkefechi 11 лет назад

    I guess he means "Ice" the greatsword of Eddard Stark, Lord of Winterfell beheaded by King Geoffrey Baratheon, first of his name, which are charakters of the novels "A Song of Ice and Fire". So I think he means he wants to see something about greatswords aka bidenhaender or montante ;-)

  • @000000AEA000000
    @000000AEA000000 12 лет назад

    that shouldnt be good enough really. The Bidenhander or Zweihänder is likely needing another strategy, thats at least what my guts tell me. I dont think regular Langschwert drill would make a Two-Hander carrier survive against a quicker opponent. I guess it would rather put more goal on the force of the weapon and less "fencing" (because the weight difference would be hard to overcome)

  • @DierkHagedorn
    @DierkHagedorn  11 лет назад

    Yes, I see. Again: Please acept my apology. I am embarrassed.

  • @Halofreakanoid
    @Halofreakanoid 11 лет назад

    Apology accepted. I understand what it's like to be harassed by the incompetents of the internet.

  • @izarscharf7845
    @izarscharf7845 9 лет назад

    sind sie deutsch?

  • @DierkHagedorn
    @DierkHagedorn  11 лет назад

    Dear Joe, please. Behave yourself. No need to swear and shout here.
    Meanwhile, with the help of other users, I looked up the sword in question. Although its proportions seem a bit odd to be really useful, I have seen far worse examples in movies or series. So, in order to get back to the initial question: The swords shown are okay in length. Depending on the timeframe you base your reconstruction on, they may vary in length though. 14th century swords might be shorter than 16th century ones.

  • @HamsterPants522
    @HamsterPants522 11 лет назад

    Ned Stark and his sword weren't real. The swords and techniques in this video are real.

  • @spicydorito1
    @spicydorito1 11 лет назад

    It's not

  • @Halofreakanoid
    @Halofreakanoid 12 лет назад

    Wiktenaur.

  • @Mystninja
    @Mystninja 11 лет назад

    Boring.