I wonder why there is a problem with Denzel playing Hannibal but there is virtually little to nothing said when Australian actor Joel Edgerton played Ramses, Scottish born actor Gerard Butler played Leonidus, or American actor Sigourney Weaver, played Queen Tuya? Nobody has heritage issues then? No?
@@elo6550 OP is pointing out the hypocrisy of the critics. They're trying to make it seem like they hate the Hannibal casting not because of race, but rather because they didn't grab an actor with Tunisian nationality. Yet no one complained when someone of Scottish nationality played a person from the Mediterranean.
I agree with that. I don't understand why the US keeps making movies about foreigners. These aren't US stories. Making them in English is a Even further insult. I don't even know this story tbh
Funny how the people so passionate to say Hannibal wasn't black, are quick to accept any image of a White Jesus in any movie or painting. Interesting.....
What's really funny is how Hispanics my complection are called black by black US Americans and we're the same complection as the image of Jesus. If you call us black but call the image of Jesus white and we're the same complection what are you lying about?
The atrocities committed against those people unfortunate enough to become enslaved need to be told man thats part of history regardless of how uncomfortable it might make some of us.
Your comparison of this Hannibal controversy to Enders Theory is 100% Factual. As long as the figure “sacrificed” into blackness has a horror story attached to the end of it it’s ok. As long as you understand that you can rise up against Greco-Roman oppression (which still applies to the west today because modern European empires were built off of that foundation) but you’ll never win. Same reason why contemporary America education never focuses on Black figures that have challenged oppression and took a W.
I'm not 100 on that because we got great movies like The Woman King and Hidden Figures. Do I think Hollywood is biased against black actors and characters? Absolutely. Do I think Hannibal is an example of this? Probably not. Denzel is an amazing actor. He just finished the Equalizer trilogy, he did Macbeth and he had a triumphant victory in the Magnificent Seven, playing a character who had previously been portrayed as white (and asian, technically)
@@alexandredesouza3692you sound out of touch. Every black person in the know understands that both those movies are coded slights against black people by white racist hollywood.
Denzel took the role. He's selective. He does his homework. He wouldn't have taken it if he didn't feel right about playing the character and the accuracy of the representation.
I agree with your theory, and I would add the self sabotaging hero mentality in our own community and stories that contributes to this psychosis phenomena. How our people enemies depicted us should be no shock but how we depict ourselves is despicable at times, we must admit that honestly to grow
Y’all want ppl important to white ppl to be black instead of actual black history and figures. Also given how white ppl white men love rome. It’s very calculated to make the greatest enemy of Rome a black man instead of his real ethnicity and not real black royalties
I THINK YOU HIT IT!!! Your theory helped open up a new lane of thinking for me concerning the subject of how we have been and still are being portrayed. As you said - the film culture is killing two birds with one stone.
Well those ancient Black signifiant others did die at the end as we all will die some day. The focus does not have to be about these ancient significant Black peoples death, but rather, what did they achieve during their life times.. It seem to me that many Black people do not believe in their own Black History, and are confused about how white racist filmmakers decide to portray us, and whether or not the white racist audience will accept the historical films. My primary focus is always on their achievements, and less about when and how they died, since we all will die some day.. By the way most of the Roman emperors were murdered by their own people in HORRIFIC incidents, Remember "BEWARE THE IDES OF MARCH" before Julius Caesar was STABBED to death,,and do you we hear white folks complaining about how he died, and saying "THEY MADE HIM WHITE SO THAT HE COULD BE STABBED TO DEATH AT THE END" ha ha.. That is the same with the REPARATION discussions when Blacks are arguing about "WHO SHOULD GET BLACK REPARATIONS", and that it should only be for "ADOS", and another group says it should be "FBA's", and that NEWER immigrants from the Caribbean/Africa who arrived 100 years ago back in 1923 should not qualify for any reparations, as if they did not suffer from the oppresion of "JIM CROW" laws and racial discrimination, RACE RIOTS that destroyed Black townships etc., and should not receive reparations for that suffering. It is like some Blacks are saying that "MASSA DON'T GIVE THEM OTHER NEGROES NO MONEY, PLEASE JUST GIVE IT TO US ADOS or FBA's", as if they are so worried about the white man's money, and don't give it to those other Blacks because they are different from us, WHEN HE DON'T PLAN TO GIVE IT TO ANY OF US.. So I say why worry about other Blacks getting reparations for their past 100 yrs of oppression/LYNCHINGS, UNEQUAL EDUCATION, HOUSING, EMPLOYING DISCRIMINATION even if it was after CHATTEL SLAVERY, because we are continuing to suffer and be victims of discrimination and oppression..Thats my take on the subject..
More blatant cultural appropriation and history falsification by American media corporations and cIueIess YT shiIIs. USA cultural terrorism, let them make comic books movies about their own history (very short one).
Peace from South Afrika my Brother, I appreciate the great work you been doing. Keep up the good work. I know it's not easy to delve into such topics, so it is much appreciated!
Well, technically it is theirs because of THEFT and very bad decision making from our ancestors( The Kemites) 🤷🏾♂️ We invited them in along with the Greeks and have been paying the price since then.
@@majorlazor5058 Nobody is denying the invasion coming from the Mediterranean because it’s a historical fact. The issue is those people are claiming to be indigenous to North Africa.
This is the first I am hearing of a Hannibal show. As a history buff with a passion for Carthaginian society, this is exciting. Also Denzel is a really skilled actor. History RUclips likes the get outraged when someone of color plays a character they think shouldn’t be. Then go on to completely ignore whitewashing of other historical characters. It would be nice if there was some self-awareness there. Also, I’ve seen a dumb argument crop up a lot. The one where people say, if such and such person was of this complexion why didn’t anyone mention it in accounts? This shows a lack of understanding history and how racism (the way we view it today) is only about 500 years old. People hated each other for lots of class, tribal, and linguistic reasons, but “race” is a very new concept.
@@idratherbeaphilthanajustin9533 In the spirit that this is a genuine question, one example is nearly every character in Exodus: Gods and Kings. The most striking being Ramses and Queen Tuya.
Racism as defined today is an extremely new concept. Seeing as how it was redefined 3 years ago. I can't wait for the movie about the REAL Dahomey tribe. Wonder how many melonated will be signing up for those lead roles.
Question... how does a group of people who supposedly were robbed of their history and their culture lost for hundreds of years. Now... all the sudden. They are the only ones who know the truth about history. Like... for the greatest general ever... he didn't even accomplish his goal. Some strategic military moves yes. But, Alexander was a true genius.
No educated person claims Hannibal was Europeans, Europeans fought against him, but he was not black this is getting ridiculous, Hannibal was part of an elite of colonizers from modern day Lebanon , the fact that you even want to portrait a colonizer as black just yo steal their thunder is crazy
The ancient Carthagenians were Phoenicians who were hamitic from a Nilotc ethnicity ( East Africans), similar to the ancient Egyptians in culture and physical appearance.
They are Shemites but closely related in appearance to each other. Maybe that is why God changed Abram's name to AbraHAM, a father of many nations. Ham means hot and nations.
He was and Ernle Bradford book about Hannibal on page 59 he refers to Hannibal as “the dark skinned leader of the strange foreign army” On page 125 Ernle Bradford calls Hannibal “The Alexander The Great of the Afro-Semitic world.”
I love your videos and have more trust in yours than many other "historical" videos. If you aren't positive about something, you come right out and say it as with this video. You are asking questions here, not making statements. You are allowing your viewers to hear the perspectives of all sides. That is awesome. I have learned more about Sub Saharan Africa from you than anywhere else. Keep this up. You are better than the so-called History Channel. I have to admit that I miss your original theme with the drums, though.
I read about the details of the Hatian slave rebellion a few years ago. It is one of the most remarkable stories in world history, and no one has ever even attempted to bring it to film. I always thought that it was the fact that melanated peoples came together to accomplish greatness against all odds without anyone's help..... They'll NEVER show anyone that.
Very well said as a Haitian I understand that if a movie does come out so will a lot of questions like why was Haiti force to pay reparations to France and the US, did either nation try to make right their wrongs ??? Hell no !!!!!!! Haiti , the reason there is even a 50 states of America today!!!!!
@@hendricktheodule9793 Now you told the title, I remembered it, it's about a fictional Portuguese colony, not Haiti. Don't embarrass yourself saying that, anyway. Haitians didn't liberate anyone, but their fight influenced both europeans, that ended slavery after a few years, and slaves and other inhabitants of colonies, inspiring them to fight against what remained of Spanish and Portuguese power
@@TheVinci19 President Alexandre Pétion understood the significance of the man who led the liberation movement. Pétion offered Bolívar 1,000 rifles, ammunition, and other supplies; he also provided hundreds of Haitian sailors and soldiers who had fought in the Haitian Revolutionary War. The offering came with one condition: Bolívar had to abolish slavery in South America when he founded a new republic; Bolívar agreed. He and his army once again took on Spain - returning to Haiti a second time for assistance - and triumphantly declared Venezuela an independent country in 1821. After later defeating Spain across South America, Bolívar declared himself president of Gran Colombia (present-day Venezuela, Colombia, Panama, and Ecuador), Peru, and Bolivia. Foreshadowing Latin America’s present relationship to Haiti, Bolívar broke his promise to Pétion. Rather than wholly abolishing slavery, Bolívar sought to maintain Latin America’s racial and class heirarchy so that white elites like himself would not fall to a “pardocracia,” a so-called mulatto takeover.
Another thing Hollywood would do to Black actors of the 60's.....If the Black character did something heroic or took upon himself a successful leadership role....he was then killed in some way.
The elephants with which Hannibal crossed the Pyrenees and the Alps in order to invade Italy during the Second Punic War (218-201 BC) belonged to the North African elephant, with the exception of Hannibal's personal animal, Surus (meaning "the Syrian," or possibly "One-Tusker"). This individual, according to his documented name and large size, may have been a Syrian elephant (Elephas maximus asurus), which was possibly a subspecies of the Asian elephant that became extinct shortly after Hannibal invaded Italy, but before the extinction of the North African elephant. So the question is who is on the Etruscan coin? Note*The Etruscan coin is from central Italy, 208-207BCE.
Exactly! I say this all the time. They tell you whos the right one without telling you by also naming barcas personal elephant and it's type. By doing so they're giving away which coinage is the real one and which is fake
Everyone knows Hannibal used African elephants. Carthage was in North Africa. Literally NO one disputes this. What’s ridiculous is the idea that simply because someone is from Africa, that means they were black despite the fact Carthage was a state of Phoenician colonizers from the Levant. They only used Indigenous North African peoples as mercenaries, which would be their downfall.
@@AttaMan if there were no cameras you would doubt that nelson mandela was black because southafrica was colonised by netherlands and later by britain?
@@princezee5127 I can use logical fallacies, too. Watch this: There were no cameras during the American Revolutionary War. Do you think George Washington was Chesapeake Indian because he was born in Virginia which was originally inhabited by Native Americans? What I personally believe or doubt is irrelevant in the face of historical fact. Hannibal Barca was Phoenician and his ancestors were Levantine colonizers who subjugated indigenous North Africans. Stop idolizing them.
@@AttaManLOUD AND WRONG😂. Hannibal's army used African elephants, however Hannibal did not. His own personal elephant has his own history and Wikipedia pages. The elephants name was SURUS and I'll let you do your own research from there. did I ever say that Africa = black? No I didn't. It did in history for a time beforeany invasions and intermixing as well tho.
Nope, that's just your deluded mind, trying to compensate your victim mentality by stealing other people history... Instead of rewriting it, maybe you should start writing it, I'm sure there's lot of great people who would deserve a good biopic
Further support for Ender’s theory is how easy it is to subconsciously or only semi consciously do it. I have no delusions that none of the execs think about this plainly, but many fall to this subconsciously because only if pressed would they admit “you can’t have the black guy win” or “it doesn’t seem realistic unless the black guy loses.” A lot of structural racism can exist because of open status quo bias/fallacy. It’s also part of the pipeline to mask off conscious racism. Great video
This Enders theory is a cunning mix of lies and truths. The notion of historical greats being "sacred cows" is a dog whistle for perpetuation of the status quo. It is also error to suggest that "tradition" means anything more than lies agreed upon. Western scholarship has been shameless since its inception. The founder of the Ptolmaic dynasty, a Macedonian, would have never realized the consecration of his royal station without marriage to a woman of the Kemetyu royal lineage. This is a fact. No lilly white Cleopatra is even possible. The great General Hannibal Barca is still yet another that needs to be discovered beyond "tradition".The Carthaginian peoples, both Punic and Phoenician, also of Canaan, naturally knew Hannibal as one of their own. By today's definition an ancient Black people, having raised a still celebrated Black Man.
Ender’s Theory is most certainly intentional. I learned this to be the case as a communications major. Media, all forms, has always been used to push forward a particular narrative. Since the time of European colonization and a bit before (starting, some say, with Shakespeare) it has been used pointedly to push the narrative of so-called “white” superiority. The first well known film “Birth of a Nation” is a full blown propaganda piece that fomented one of the most die-hard terrorists groups to date…. Ender’s Theory may be “dark” but that’s only because the truth really is abominably horrific.
That couldn't be more true. Barnes and Noble still sells the movie and the book "Birth Of A Nation" hailing it as the most controversial movie of all time and acknowledging that it lead to the rebirth of the KKK and massacres of black communities. It has however ceases selling Hebrews 2 Negroes book series and movies which offers a biblical interpretation of the Transatlantic Slave Trade and why it was so different from past slavery to epic and biblical proportions.
If you are not controlling the narrative you don't get to complain. Honestly, we sound like children complaining to their parents. Black people: take control.
I would love to see a well written movie on Amanirenas or Piye just as much as I’d like to see movies about Brian Boru, Hywel Dda, Llewelyn the Last, or Owain Glyndwr. Unfortunately Hollywood ignores good stories from non-Anglo-Germanic-Hellenic cultures and tends to portray them as insignificant barbarians. William Wallace and Robert Bruce were both of Anglo-Norman stock, and are often put on pedestals because their heritage is more agreeable with Anglicized audiences. Ethiopia also has a vibrant and decently documented history, but is also ignored by Hollywood as a source of good uplifting narratives. Just think if we could get a historical movie or show that shows the fall of the Solomonic dynasty and the rise of the Zagwe with all the political intrigue such a narrative has to offer! One can only hope!
@admirekashiri9879. My very thoughts!! These theses & themes of study should be examined more thoroughly, beginning at the undergrad level of film studies-& progressing from there. So-titled “Enders Theory” derives its roots from the published works of Donald Bogle, Henry Turner Ward, Frantz Fanon & others of earlier eras, exploring literature & and theatrical propaganda widely-disseminated in the 20th century, under which Black & Afrikan centrism found themselves relegated. “Tragic mulatto” themes of Chesnutt, Toomer, Richard Wright, & others come to mind. But it’s not realistic to anticipate “DEI” treatments or any other concessions really, from persons long-embattled & long-enriched by mostly anti-Black/Black-omission qualities in productions. Only the people of Afrikan origin have any real interest or responsibility to THEIR young to present their historical mandates as ancestry would have it-for the betterment & self-respect required in order to entirely detach from subjugation as a thought-action perspective. European mythology has done no less for its descendants, regardless of truth or accuracy in films/plays. Doing so with Truth as a precept is now imperative in order for Black people to dispel self-lying, self-deception re: systemics & global power dynamics. Film majors & performing artists in the future have no currency to gain by falling for “opportunity” scams, “big money” scams foisted onto previous Gens by The System’s own industry. That is one thing that Tyler Perry & Katt Williams have understood correctly: if you want advancement of meaning & integrity, while Nonwhite in the System of Injustice/Racism, you must solve the fundamental problem of R/WS by severing its stranglehold. It was only ever intended to “benefit” one grouping of people, from its inception until now. And if there is one grouping that cannot be imposed-upon, forced-into, bought/begged-into, (except in complete subordination) it is absolutely theirs, no competition.
It is very disappointing that people still have not understood that the "Mediterranean type" is a range that resulted from centuries of mixing throughout the Mediterranean Basin, extending into the Aegean, Adriatic and Ionian Seas. That is a monster mix potential! And, as humans so are, they most definitely tested one another out as partners. The tendency to erect racial boundaries along geographical lines, is pretty much modern foolishness.
We do need to think about how black actors are cast in roles for large Hollywood productions. Anyone who has ever tried to act in any theatre production knows how hard it is to get cast in a meaningful , substantial roles. Perhaps we should be grateful for Denzel Washington to have this role because it is not the final destination but a step along the way to greater acceptance of black actors in Hollywood. I am thinking of Kirk Russell or Issur Danielovitch Demsky in the 1960 role of Spartacus. He acted under an alias because The United States was not friendly to a leading man whose last name was Demsky. Michael Douglas , Kirk Douglas' son never went back to being Demsky, either. Denzel Washington got to keep his original name and he is getting substantial leading roles. He has been in the industry for over 40 years . What has he learned?
You people are babied and pampered by the white liberal, always given things but its never enough. Given awards, given all sorts of jobs, given priority for many services, always given and never earning.
Notice Star Wars John Boygea can't be a Jedi? notice John Boygea chasing the white girl Rey all around but yet Finn can't have a romance thing with Rey? yeah know got to have that The Twilight Saga in space. Notice there are not a lot of black people who can't be leaders or strong males in films? Notice most black Marvel superheroes are sidekicks. Even in Marvel comics Blue Marvel, the creator experienced racism. Some people hate the fact Blue Marvel is a powerful black and strong male character. James Bond can't be black too. In fact, some people hated Obama being a black president when you even think about it.
Obama was not a "Black" president. He is bi-racial having absolutely NO TIES to ADOS lineage and multi-cultural having been raised by an Indonesian step-father. Tell me where ANY of that makes him Black.🤔
@thevisitor1012 Not exactly, they gave us what we wanted on the surface, but delving deeper, the King was stvpid and didn't care for Black people as a whole, The white man (the actual enemy) was made the savoir, and Killmonger the actual hero was made the villain just because his methods and views were seen as extreme even tho what his plans were... were definitely necessary with "Black Freedom" being his goal. He wasn't evil, he only treated brainwashed Blacks as the enemy, I doubt he would've done that to any Black person who wanted the same thing. Even Nat Turner was the same way, if I remember correctly, was he not the same brotha who suggested that anyone who wasn't down with the revolution be kill3d? Wakanda Forever was more of the same bs, just without Black men, and this time the Mexican character the actual enemy was the nonsensical hero.
Most Black Marvel Heroes aren’t sidekicks. Black Panther, Blue Marvel, Luke Cage, Blade are all fan favorites who had entire series dedicated to them. Blue Marvel literally defeated a sentry (the same guy that ripped Ares in half).
@@draco_1876 Sorry to burst your bubble, but Blade ain't Black, his father Lucas cross is a white man. It's only the TV shows that depict him as a Black man and those depictions aren't canonical.
in my personal experience, those complaining about an actor's race not being historically accurate do not know or care a whole lot about history in general, they just have a set of loosely related ideas that confirm their biases in their minds.
The only issue I have with Denzel is Hannibal was 26 at the time of the 2nd Punic war. Now if the movie is going to be about a later point of his life fine. But if not cast a much younger actor like Micheal B Jordan or Mason Gooding.
If ANYONE has earned their place in Hollywood to do WHATEVER role he sees fit, it's Denzel. He and others of his ilk are Hollywood royalty as far as I'm concerned
There's so much truth to what you're saying. Your channel is literally filled with some of the most amazing African stories, many of which unknown to the general public. How big hollywood studios rather shoehorn Black characters in racially ambiguous roles instead of telling authentic African stories is what I'm having a hard time understanding. While there is no evidence of how Hannibal actually looked like, and he was of course darker skinned than the regular Roman, he was a Phoenician, which means he would look closer to modern day Semitic people. It reminds of The Woman King movie, and their depiction of the Dahomey warriors and watering down the truth of their involvement in the slave trade on purpose, so people actually find it out for themselves and continue the unfavorable view of Africans and Africans of the time.
MUTTINES was Hannibals second in command in italy and Hannibals brother Hanno refused to serve under a half breed african. MUTTINES wasnt even half black he was half carthaginan and half berber and they STILL looked down on him. The carthaginans were PHONECIAN colonisers. A half african general specifically berber north african was enough to cause MUTINY amongst the army. How on earth can you imagine that Hannibal was Black when even non black african admixture was deemed to disqualify you from leadership.
@@shafsteryellow Just because Phonecians developed Carthage doesn't mean native Black Africans didn't play a prominent role in their society. For example, a High priestess of Tanit in Carthage was found to be black. "Pittard (1924) notes with surprise the race of the remains found in the Sarcophagus of the Priestess of’ Tanit in Carthage, noting them to be Negroid (see also Bertholon and Chantre, 1913)."
lol modern day semitics are eurasian infiltrators, black people inhabited those lands, it's like saying modern Egyptians are ancient Egyptians, when ancient Egyptians before invasions were black people
Excellent video, brother. Hannibal was definitely Black. If he weren't, there wouldn't be any ambiguity. They only ever apply the veil of ambiguity when the notable figure is definitely Black, and they want to cover it up.
there's no ambiguity. He was not black, period. Suddenly you decided that everyone in the world were black, and you call your own delusion 'ambiguity'. Nobody has ever had the littler hint he was black, because Chartaginians, Tunisians, Lebanese, Phoenicians, and the entire present and ancient north africans, have never been black
@@maryamkim1281 what does it mean? never said that. Africans are not the same. If you said that Finns in ancient times inhabited Sicily, I'd laugh. It's the same: in ancient times, black never inhabited north Africa. I guess you'd like your people had done something remarkable or important, unfortunately it's never happened
@@TheVinci19ooh. *your people*? Now you're getting emotional. The original inhabitants of the continent in ancient times were black skinned Africans. It's so basic look it up. And stay rational.
Thank you for this. I was trying to explain to one of my sisters why I don't watch movies with Africans. The dysfunctional family structures with tragic ends. Continue your important work! ❤🇹🇹
At one time in history, the Arabs even referred to the parts of Africa they later dominated as Balad A Sudan: “Land of the Blacks”…in spite of the previously long periods of Persian, then Greco-Roman rule! Consequently, it’s more likely Hannibal was Black than not! Considering Ender’s Theory…the overwhelming evidence proves the theory is actually a fact! 💯
Yes, that was to the more Southern lands, just like how lands south of Libya, Atlas and Egypt were reffered to as Aethiopia (burnt faced people by the Greeks) Hannibal was a Punic, Carthage was Phoenician, with the city name being from the Latin variation of the Phoenician qrt-ḥdšt (𐤒𐤓𐤕 𐤇𐤃𐤔𐤕) meaning "New City". The Phoenicians and Greeks colonized the Mediterranean and calling Carthage native African, would be like calling the city of Massilia "Gaulish" just because it was located in Modern Marseilles, despite being a Ionian Greek colony.
@@Liquidsback It seems that at one point Black people predominated North Africa as well. “The Berber women are from the island of Barbara, which is between the west and the south. *Their color is mostly black* though some pale ones can be found among them. If you can find one whose mother is of Kutama, whose father is of Sanhaja, and whose origin is Masmuda, then you will find her naturally inclined to obedience and loyalty in all matters, active in service, suited both to motherhood and to pleasure, for they are the most solicitous in caring for their children. “ - Ibn Battuta
I wonder in what period of time a Lebanon people may become black. And how come all those black north africans are disappeared. I mean, Romans, Greeks, Persians, Arabs, never noticed black people in north Africa, you believe they all were blind?
@@TheVinci19and no, black North Africans never disappeared. You just don't want to see them. Or just pretending they don't exist. And it's Lebanese, not "Lebanon people".
Barca is my all time favorite historical figure. The fact that Denzel is portraying him brings me a boost of serotonin that makes me feel like I’m going Super Sayian.
If you have to keep hammering to another group of people that no matter what they do, they will lose or, that they have no worth, it means you fear that group of people because you at your core are jealous of them because you see their greatness and feel inferior to that group of people. Otherwise, you'd just chill and live happily, like us. It's sad really. As for Othello and Macbeth, it's Shakespeare. Most actors want to play those characters as a test of their craft. Hannibal is being done by Antoine Fuqua(sp) so I think he wants a portrayal of Hannibal that seems plausible. Great video.
@@sureucan9366the level of obssession your people have over our every move is insane. I wonder what kind of mental illness you people have that you can't stop thinking about us.
1000% accurate. The Shakespearean phrase, "The lady doth protest too much, methinks," perfectly encapsulates this. Overdoing a denial with a degree of guilt.
I would like to point out that the coin in this video almost certainly doesn't depict Hannibal, as other coins with the same depiction have been found in the area that date to decades before Hannibal was even in Italy.
No one can say what Hannibal looked like for certain. The problem I have with Denzel playing him is age. Hannibal was 26 at the height of his fame. Don’t think Denzel can pull off 26.
Because he was neither black nor african, is like saying the white in south Africa are black Africans because they colonized the territory. Go read about him and you'll understand that ethnically he was middle eastern
There is a Coin of Hannible, it was from when Hannible invaded a city. It shows Hannible as a Black African man. His hair & lips are cleary of African origin.
I think your perspective is an absolute plausible one, very well thought out, and displayed/portrayed. I love the way you even propose some plausible flaws to your theory, but your overall point and depictions are receipts, not just talk! It is sound & believable information. Keep telling our stories with as much receipts as you can come up with, so I can share your well thought out docu/show to others. It it time in 2024 to push our narratives for the truth to the forefront of people’s, seriously brainwashed minds. They all need to know the truth and except it, so balance is restored, with the true history of the oldest people on the planet. There are so many stories about Africans that were glorious, not tragic, and Hollywood needs to wake up with true, accurate depictions of African history. After all they have been here for thousands of years ( Not hundreds, like those who came later) before other cultures were developed and begin to tell their stories , write their books and print their currency, and make statues or busts of their images, thus their history, Africans, already had rich ,thriving lives, were intelligent, and established enough to sail themselves around the world, establishing other civilizations. Keep driving home the truth. We are eager students, still learning some of these truths for the first time. Thank you for your time and effort along with your professionalism, getting this information out here. Yah is guiding you! Yah has blessed you with the talent of teaching the truth!
@@emperorthylord Sorry, you don’t get to make this all about you, (We recognize that you are the converted Jews ) we love all people period! Including you, but especially the Palestinian people right now! We don’t recognize you as the “underdog” in that war.
You are outstanding! Thank you for the edification sir. Well thought out... similar paradigm came to me. You read enough history and ignore propaganda and casuistry, the last 2,000 years of history presents an uncomfortable continuity of entrenched evil, not just inequity. Keep sharing the knowledge! Thank you
That's an intriguing theory and it aligns well with my suspicion that Hollywood feels more comfortable seeing black people losing. This might explain why momentous events in history where black people won battles and wars against outsiders have yet to reach the small and big screens. The Haitian Revolution, the Battle of Kitombi where two Bakongo kingdoms repelled a Portuguese attempt to conquer Kongo, the Kongolese defeat of a Portuguese army resulting in the return of Kongolese captives pressed into overseas slavery, the Kandace that repelled a Roman invasion, the Nubian archers that turned back successive Arab incursions, the Marron's fight against the British. These were successful African military victories that should be cinematized.
I agree that these are all interesting stories that should be put to film, particularly the Haitian revolution. However, if your goal is to simply relish in the depiction of “blacks vs whites” in the Haitian revolution, you should understand that the Haitian revolution was a lot more complicated than that.
@@pretzelstick320 Yes it was, which makes it all the more epic, because the conflict was not always race based, although race powerful underlay the conflict.
Didn’t Hannibal and his men occupy southern Italy for awhile? And while they were there they made “friends “ with the Italian ladies? That’s why the people of southern Italy have dark coloring while northern Italians have fair coloring right till this day. That proves Hannibal was Black.
No, it has nothing to do with that. Simply put, people from the Mediterranean have naturally olive skin. Northern Italians are made clearer only by the Germanic tribes that settled there after the collapse of the Roman Empire, such as the Lombards.
@@elo6550 There is some evidence of African admixture though. Haplogroup E is usually high among Mediterranean populations. And in case you didnt know, Haplogroup E and all its variants originates in East Africa.
@@elo6550 It has a lot to do with that. The people of Sicily, near southern Italy have noticeable African traits too. I’m sure they have intermingled with the southern Italian people also.
@@elo6550 and what colour are olives, my friend? They brownish-green, black and brown. What do you think the word 'olive" for skintones reflected, originally? Wake up.
Many couldn't handle the fact that Queen Charlotte was gorgeously melanated !!! We make up 89% of The Earth ... We are a Magnificent Culture!!! We've always had to tolerate their lies, it's alright for them to accept/tolerate Our Truths!!!!
There is no proof that its Hannibal on the coin. NONE. Ur lying to yourself and others to try to steal a historically great figure. And hey even if he was "Black" do you think he would go "Ahh my african brother" or "Hey you none Carthaginian Scum DIE". Cringelord6000.
The coin you mentioned is Etruscan. It is wrong to assume it’s Hannibal because we know the Barca family is an imperial Punic Dynasty from Phoencia and we have the coins of his father, Hamilcar, and his brother, Hasdrubal - both phenotypes of a near easterner. The coin you referenced is depicting an obscure figure lost to history, likely minted before the time of Hannibal. Your Enders Theory is quite convincing though. Until I see an accurate representation of a black historical figure overcoming obstacles, you may be right.
Private auction coin of Hasdrubal had "DREADLOCKS" and "Nubian crease". Entire family was SUBSAHARAN phenotypes. Hannibal was the product of 300yrs of Royal BLACK LIBYAN ADMIXTURE!
Okay you guys' fact check me. Mariane Pearl who Angelina Jolie Portrays in a mighty heart is black. Andromeda who is portrayed by white actresses in both films would have also been black. Then pay attention to Toussaint Louverture uniform he was a French Republican general first.
One thing Ender's Theory and this video on casting doesn't touch on is the perspective of actors. Actors love a good juicey drama and multilayered characters, tragic figures such as the ones mentioned in this video provides that. There's a reason that white actors have competed for the opportunity to play these tragic figures for generations. The recent Cleopatra adaptation touches on so many things. The producers and director of that series are African American woman who grew up with the belief that Cleopatra being an African Queen = their phenotype. Studying the Hows & Whys of films turning out the way they do is as complex as studying history since there are so many moving parts and individuals with their own desires and goals at play. I would agree that NOT telling stories of unambiguously Black/African historical figures who triumphed (and it not be misery porn) IS an ACTIVE CHOICE by the still predominantly white Hollywood/culture makers. The deliberate choice of omission does shape the lens general audiences view the depictions of Black/African characters, both intentionally and not.
Very keen eye and intellect on critically thinking beyond what our school education system requires. You are right and you shouldn't label it as a "controversy" anybody with the same ability to observe and research will reach the same conclusion you brought to us on this platform of thiers. It is their platform, why would they correctly tells us "His-story" especially when it comes to melanated beings. I myself am a descendant of the mighty Haitian people (Tianos, Arawak, West Africans) we bought us the first victory for melanated people in recent times. If I had the funds I would immediately make that film, its such a staple victory for the melanated beings and it should be known worldwide, along with many great nations that we're produce by us and still is being produced by us "first world countries".
Heres what I dont understand, why in the hell are people that are anglo saxon, germanic, frankish, nordic etc pissed about North Africa when it had nothing to do with them? If im not mistaken they were enslaved and colinized by the Romans at the time. The Romans considered them as savages. The Majority of them at the time most likely never even knew that Africa even existed. Not only that, they take all of nothern and Western Europe, lump it all together and claim it as their history but if Africans do the same thing with Africa, they get their panties in a bunch. Anglo Saxon descendants try to force flat "whiteness" on other Europeans, when most Europeans dont see it that way. Anywho......Netflix is definitely going after that ESG money though.
Ask other Europeans if they are caucasion, and report back to me with what they say.... We know what Cartheginians looked like - see the young man of Byrsa from around 500 BC, he has caucasion genetics. The question should be asked why African Americans are claiming every other culture including the Vikings!
@idratherbeaphilthanajustin9533 Been there done that! Europeans from all walks are very proud of their ethnicity, especially eastern Europeans and those of Baltic decent; they do not like to be lumped in with Western Europeans. Also, not all Europeans consider themselves Caucasian or Aryan for that matter. I've never heard any person from Sicily call themselves Caucasian. Lastly, it is wp that say you can't tell race by phenotype, as some "Caucasians" are allegedly not white. That being said, wp consistently contradict that statement. It goes back to what I initially said, "white people" don't even know what is white. Everyone seems to have a different opinion or view of what a "white person" is. To a 3rd pty, this shit is confusing......it's bruh....wtf!
@@Mista_Terrific81 'I've never heard any person from Sicily call themselves caucasion'... Probably because you haven't asked or could understand one! Ethiopian ruler Haile Selassie claimed to be caucasion - Amhara people have around 50% West Asian ancestry. 'White' this and 'white' that is missing the point somewhat. However, if you can find another description to describe Eurasians due to our similar phenotype I'm all ears. ruclips.net/video/65B45VQ_fzM/видео.htmlsi=3OPL4OO7dYstHvOV The fact is that Europeans, Near Easterners and some North African populations are classified as caucasion and are of a 'white' phenotype. For the purpose of the argument of Carthage being a black civilisation, I think it's pretty damn obvious it wasn't.
Controversy with Queen Nefi, Cleo now Hannibal 🤦🏾♀️ they can’t handle the TRUTH of being 🖤🤎…Denzel played Eli 🤷🏾♀️ so what’s the problem 😒 get over it damn 🤨
I’m honestly just glad he’s getting a cinema, he’s my absolute favorite person in history I was literally FASCINATED with him as a child, his skin tone doesn’t matter to me he was still from the African continent in origin and his story is part of one that had been neglected for centuries
@@Liquidsback ok thank you I will watch them both I didn’t know he already had movies I’ve only ever read about him and his home town Carthage. The accounts are fantastical almost like a fairy tale but in real life, his travels, treaties & battles… stuff of imagination, voyages through untamed Iberia
Hannibal Barca was not black , tht's a fact born in Carthage from a Phoenician heritage and the fact that there are living Tunisian descendants of him who carry his last name ''Barca'' and who look pale doesn't help. It's not a ''controversy'' for us Tunisians who know our history better than Americans obviously and if we want to complain about it we will. Netflix is gonna be slapped with another lawsuit like it did with Egypt.
Well at least everyone agrees with the fact that Hannibal and his entire family are born and raised in Carthage ! Now Netflix or Amazon or whatever it is wants Hannibal Black warrior, let them deal with that ! Today there’s something called “genealogy” and the Genealogy confirm that 88% of the nowadays Tunisian are originally North African , and on top of that Tunisian are the 4th least racially diverse people in the world!! So who should we believe? Netflix or Genealogy 🤔 And to add more: at the Carthaginian museum there are plenty of mosaic clearly showing Hannibal he is not a black warrior!! History is History mate !! The Romans did it all to wipe out the history of Carthage but they never succeeded, so you think Netflix can do that ?? I don’t think so. If I tell you Christopher Columbus and Alexander the Great are Chinese and Julio Caesar is from Mongolia ? You will probably laugh at my comments, well this is what we Tunisian doing now with this Netflix series! I don’t have any issues with any nations we are all humans ! But why we fabricate the history?? Doesn’t make any sense. Peace ✌️ to everyone.
He was of Phoenician anstery. Phoenicians were described as copper, bronze, or red. He prolly wasn't Denzel dark, but I'm more concerned with the acting.
Its crazy because i never had the words or evidence to explain this same feeling i had. Even in black panther, the Mexican character destroyed Wanda's leadership and the blacks had to play nice in the end.
I absolutely believe there is a dark agenda. I immediately thought of the Netflix Cleopatra series. Yts have been fighting tooth and nail to claim Cleopatra as “theirs”. Why all of a sudden the change of heart?
@@tyrussleightholme7261 learn to read and comprehend beloved. I never said I thought Cleopatra was black. I’m personally not very invested in figuring out her race because the concept of race did not exist at that time. So she wouldn’t have identified with being white or black. She saw herself as culturally Egyptian. Stop trying to filter historical figures through modern ideologies.
Honestly it doesn't matter to me anymore. These directors feel a need to do this now for some reason. I think they make decisions like this just to gain attention for the show or movie. At least for this the chance he was black is legitimate, and Denzel Washington is a very good actor so it probably wont be terrible. At this point for me as long as the history is correct and the story good I personally don't care.
Carthage was on the north coast of Africa, and its people were a mix of Phoenician and African peoples such as Berber, Numidian, Tunisian, Iberian, and Greek. He would have been dark-complected, with dark hair and eyes and far more African in appearance than European.
There are plenty of African coins from the Punic/Carthagenian era. Just look up Punic coins from Ibiza, which is named after the African god Bes and plenty of coins with African heads were found there. And there are still many dark skinned native Tunisians in Tunisia to this day. Keeping in mind that Carthage was erased off the maps by Rome and replaced with a Roman town of the same name. Not to mention Trajan's column has African warriors on it also from ancient North Africa. So no, the facts are facts, modern Tunisians want to either be European or Arab and therefore downplay and deny their ancient history as not originating in Europe or Arabia. That history originates going back thousands of years in Africa. As for Hollywood, the entire issue goes to the history of Hollywood and Indigo face, meaning Europeans dressing up and acting like Africans in stereotypical ways in the Vaudeville era. And modern Hollywood is doing the same thing, making their own "representation" of what African history and identity is. Even worse than that, they are pushing the idea that Africans can only feel proud if they are put into roles from European history and culture. The bigger problem is Africans aren't making their own movies and stories about their own "representation", as if to say they are ashamed of their history and culture........
You know you put a word to something ive been feeling for a while now. Ever since the first black panther. The second black panther really puts it into perspective, that even when they give us representation they still have a hidden agenda to take us down. I believe they even brought back coming to america to make what was a very triumphant story(although a comedy) and make it messy.
Was a series out about famous Black people in the late 1960's, which included Hannibal. Additionally Dr ben, Dr Clarke, Chancellor Williams, Dr Finch, Dr Anderson, and others have researched throughly and spoken about Hannibal. Dr ben, goes so far as to ID Hannibal's mother who was from Kemet.
Dr.Ben is a major source initself . John Henrik clarke . Is one of the best Researchers that ever did it . A autodidactic . Powers that be has changed the ethnicity of the people that was very important. Because they really didn't have anyone or anything. It was done from 1400s thru 1920 30s & 40s .once they came into power .
I'm considering that Hollywood producers might be doing this, and other cases, to (literally) capitalize on outrage. Their goal is to make money, as it has always been. They, or their advertising agencies, figured out this sort of racially-charged casting will spark online outrage, and counter-reactions, such as your very video. At the very least, this creates extra word-of-mouth on the web. It even might lead to more people going to watch it. And for those which barely care about the sociopolitical, this might look like a positive effort, though it is as fake as the propaganda which starts and ends at the Pride Month, or the pretty colors on the package of throughly industrialized food.
Their goal is to make money. Denzel is a big draw. If the Tunsians want a Hannibal Barca movie with a modern day Tunisian playing it then they are welcolme to make that movie themselves. They don't get to dictate who plays what role in American studios.
Carmen jones was based on the Opera carmen by Georges Bizet. Carmen died in that original version too. That said, Hannibal Barca was still Blacks and whyte supremacists, like all psychopaths, are still insecure.
Tunisia before the Arabs. "The Berber culture in Tunisia is said to be the oldest culture in the region. The roots and tradition are some of the most ancient and still practiced today. In 2011, Tunisia held the inauguration of the Tunisian Amazigh (Berber) Culture Association. It’s the first association focus on the Berbers and the Amazigh culture in Tunisia. The association has the purpose to preserve the Berber villages, culture, and language that hasn’t completely vanished from Tunisia." From: Berber Culture in Tunisia Mosaic North Africa -------------------------- So is it more likely Hannibal had a Berber appearance?
Haitian Revolution and the Kandake Queens would be incredible!!! Can we also get one on Aboubakar II sailing to the Americas in the 1300s? Mansa Musa's Hajj? Askia Muhommad of Songhai? Yacub, the great scholar of Abyssinia?
I don't see why anyone could get mad or upset at this! The HISTORY, MILLITARY/DISCOVERY CHANNEL all depicts Hannibal as a Black man( as in looks and all )! I Always wanted Tommy Lester ( Debo ) to play him in a movie!
I don't know if you watched this video, but the problem is the trend we see of Hollywood shoe-horning Black actors to play Tragic historical roles of historical characters that were either known to be non-black, or with ambiguous ethnic origins (Cleopatra, Mcbeth and now Hannibal). Especially when there are numerous historical African descendants whose stories have never been told.
@@shafsteryellow This. Carthage was a Phoenician city state and something common for all city states is that they maintain a strong distinction between citizens of the city and outsiders. This is true even when they have an Empire. And since Hannibal came from essentially Carthaginian nobility he would likely have had strong Phoenician blood. The only real uncertinty would be his mother, since she isn't known. But she would likely also have been from a high ranking Carthaginian family because that's how noble politics work. Even if she wasn't Hannibal would still be half Phoenician and not pure African. It's not certain but it is highly likely, and we only have a single coin to argue for Hannibal looking African compared to a lot of compelling evidence for him to not be African. So there is a chance he looked African but everything else we currently know says that it is a slim chance and definetly not a certainty.
@@JauPim bro Hannibals brother refused to serve under Muttines who was Hannibals second in command because he was a 'half breed african' Muttines himself wasn't even black he was half punic and half north african berber... Hannibal had black and berber soldiers and commanders both of which he spoke positively about but clearly there were distinctions. Hanno wasn't a random odd racist. He was a punic elite and didn't see himself equal to africans IRRESPECTIVE of their colour. He was an elitist. That's why they still spoke and identified as phonecian despite being in africa for centuries and rebelling against tyre. Whereas the Romans saw the punics, berbers and blacks ALL as african invaders.
@@TheVinci19 we're comparing apples to pineapples now, are we? Whether you like it or not, there's a lot you don't know about the black presence in the ancient world you want to shut out due to your ignorance.
@@maryamkim1281 absolutely not. they're all apples. Africa is an extraordinary big continent, it's perfectly reasonable black in north africa were not present; it's not something I said, it's something said by Greeks, Romans, Arabs etc. And everybody know, or should know, that Chartaginians were, as you would say, 'colonizers', coming from Lebanon, the ancient Phoenicia. Lebanese look black to you? Tunisians look black to you? You've taken the horrible habit to try to take over other's people achievements, maybe you don't realize how pathetic you look this way, and how the consideration people could have is diminishing any time you talk
I suggest you all read "Ancient and Modern Britons" by David MacRitchie and do further research as to who and what the "Ancient Peoples" looked like all over the planet whose his-tory is more than 6000 years old (lots of historical books referencing eye witness descriptions of Ancient people) . And how about it is time for Hollywood to start telling the truth!!!
@VanquisherOfTroons time of reference is important. Should a European caucasian play an apache indian biopic simply because modern america is multiracial?
I think it would have been useful to demonstrate a few of the "sacred cows" with happy endings. I can't think of many. And if there aren't many "sacred cows" with happy endings to begin with, then that could somewhat diminish Ender's Theory. It seems ever since the Greek muse of tragedy entered the scene, we've all been overly enamored with the tragic hero as opposed to the hero with the happy rainbow ending. I'm honestly not sure if making some those tragic heroes black is a malicious conspiracy.
I mean, I’d like to preface by saying I in no way, shape or form care to intentionally or inadvertently practice protectionism, especially when it comes to Racists & their Racism. With that said, while I acknowledge the trajectory the claim of this video is aiming, it behooves me to highlight that there are stories like Braveheart, Gladiator, & Troy which have their heroes die in the end. It’s an unfortunate, tragic tale for a lot of legends. Death is inevitable, to begin with. A lot of our heroes are martyred. I mean, technically, Jesus was martyred but he had a Resurrection Cheat Code, so 🤷🏾♂️. In any case, people die in epic stories some times. It is what it is.
I don’t have a problem with a Black dude playing Hannibal, but Denzel is way too long in the tooth to be playing him during the Second Punic War. As I recall, Hannibal was rather young when he went on his campaign against Rome. They should find a younger actor for the role.
I wonder why there is a problem with Denzel playing Hannibal but there is virtually little to nothing said when Australian actor Joel Edgerton played Ramses, Scottish born actor Gerard Butler played Leonidus, or American actor Sigourney Weaver, played Queen Tuya?
Nobody has heritage issues then? No?
With Gerard Butler there is no problem. Leonidas was white, a typical Mediterranean white, and Gerard Butler has a Mediterranean look.
The Gods of Egypt had mostly caucasians playing Kemetic/Egyptian Gods but no one says a word about historical inaccuracy then
Not to mention all the white actors having played Jesus.......
@@elo6550 OP is pointing out the hypocrisy of the critics. They're trying to make it seem like they hate the Hannibal casting not because of race, but rather because they didn't grab an actor with Tunisian nationality. Yet no one complained when someone of Scottish nationality played a person from the Mediterranean.
I agree with that. I don't understand why the US keeps making movies about foreigners. These aren't US stories. Making them in English is a Even further insult. I don't even know this story tbh
Funny how the people so passionate to say Hannibal wasn't black, are quick to accept any image of a White Jesus in any movie or painting. Interesting.....
What's really funny is how Hispanics my complection are called black by black US Americans and we're the same complection as the image of Jesus. If you call us black but call the image of Jesus white and we're the same complection what are you lying about?
wooow.....there's many differnt pics of jesus....brown...blk jesus.....
Jeshua was neither white nor black.
@peterroberts7684 wrong, the original tribe of Judah is black not a Arab.
Exactly!
I rather that then slave movies
Facts💯🎯👌🏽
Facts!!!
We never see portrayed in movies that black Africans were active participants enslaving their own people.
The atrocities committed against those people unfortunate enough to become enslaved need to be told man thats part of history regardless of how uncomfortable it might make some of us.
Your comparison of this Hannibal controversy to Enders Theory is 100% Factual.
As long as the figure “sacrificed” into blackness has a horror story attached to the end of it it’s ok.
As long as you understand that you can rise up against Greco-Roman oppression (which still applies to the west today because modern European empires were built off of that foundation) but you’ll never win. Same reason why contemporary America education never focuses on Black figures that have challenged oppression and took a W.
I'm not 100 on that because we got great movies like The Woman King and Hidden Figures.
Do I think Hollywood is biased against black actors and characters? Absolutely.
Do I think Hannibal is an example of this? Probably not. Denzel is an amazing actor. He just finished the Equalizer trilogy, he did Macbeth and he had a triumphant victory in the Magnificent Seven, playing a character who had previously been portrayed as white (and asian, technically)
@@alexandredesouza3692nobody liked the woman king and hidden figures was mid🤡 Hannibal was black so he should be portrayed that way in movies🤣🤣
@@bobanjordan7653Hidden colors was what?
@@alexandredesouza3692you sound out of touch. Every black person in the know understands that both those movies are coded slights against black people by white racist hollywood.
@@bobanjordan7653 Bad opinions aside, you're right about Hannibal.
Denzel took the role. He's selective. He does his homework. He wouldn't have taken it if he didn't feel right about playing the character and the accuracy of the representation.
Sorry I didn't trust old Denzel and I don't trust Hollywood....
Yeah, just like the Black Cleopatra!
he already played Macbeth; a Scottish king. Just about accuracy of the representation
@@TheVinci19he descends from the house of Dunkeld as did George Washington so it’s actually quite fitting.
@@nagameel7324 he doesn’t look like George Washington.
I agree with your theory, and I would add the self sabotaging hero mentality in our own community and stories that contributes to this psychosis phenomena. How our people enemies depicted us should be no shock but how we depict ourselves is despicable at times, we must admit that honestly to grow
Y’all want ppl important to white ppl to be black instead of actual black history and figures. Also given how white ppl white men love rome. It’s very calculated to make the greatest enemy of Rome a black man instead of his real ethnicity and not real black royalties
do we do it?
The people complaining about Denzel being cast wouldn't have said a mumbling word if it were Brad Pitt.
It should of been an AFRICAN playing Hannibal.
@@GrandEmporer erm, Denzel Washington is African. 🤔
No actually hes not and if you think all "black" people are african or born in africa your apart of the race problem @@missjuneplum1
@@missjuneplum1No he's not
@@bda8267 he's of African descendant which means he's African.
I THINK YOU HIT IT!!! Your theory helped open up a new lane of thinking for me concerning the subject of how we have been and still are being portrayed. As you said - the film culture is killing two birds with one stone.
Naw they creating a return of old way of thinking
Well those ancient Black signifiant others did die at the end as we all will die some day. The focus does not have to be about these ancient significant Black peoples death, but rather, what did they achieve during their life times.. It seem to me that many Black people do not believe in their own Black History, and are confused about how white racist filmmakers decide to portray us, and whether or not the white racist audience will accept the historical films. My primary focus is always on their achievements, and less about when and how they died, since we all will die some day.. By the way most of the Roman emperors were murdered by their own people in HORRIFIC incidents, Remember "BEWARE THE IDES OF MARCH" before Julius Caesar was STABBED to death,,and do you we hear white folks complaining about how he died, and saying "THEY MADE HIM WHITE SO THAT HE COULD BE STABBED TO DEATH AT THE END" ha ha.. That is the same with the REPARATION discussions when Blacks are arguing about "WHO SHOULD GET BLACK REPARATIONS", and that it should only be for "ADOS", and another group says it should be "FBA's", and that NEWER immigrants from the Caribbean/Africa who arrived 100 years ago back in 1923 should not qualify for any reparations, as if they did not suffer from the oppresion of "JIM CROW" laws and racial discrimination, RACE RIOTS that destroyed Black townships etc., and should not receive reparations for that suffering. It is like some Blacks are saying that "MASSA DON'T GIVE THEM OTHER NEGROES NO MONEY, PLEASE JUST GIVE IT TO US ADOS or FBA's", as if they are so worried about the white man's money, and don't give it to those other Blacks because they are different from us, WHEN HE DON'T PLAN TO GIVE IT TO ANY OF US.. So I say why worry about other Blacks getting reparations for their past 100 yrs of oppression/LYNCHINGS, UNEQUAL EDUCATION, HOUSING, EMPLOYING DISCRIMINATION even if it was after CHATTEL SLAVERY, because we are continuing to suffer and be victims of discrimination and oppression..Thats my take on the subject..
i love jewish people
More blatant cultural appropriation and history falsification by American media corporations and cIueIess YT shiIIs.
USA cultural terrorism, let them make comic books movies about their own history (very short one).
Peace from South Afrika my Brother, I appreciate the great work you been doing. Keep up the good work. I know it's not easy to delve into such topics, so it is much appreciated!
I've been waiting on this. They swear North Africa belongs to them.
Like we don't know they haven't always been there.
Well, technically it is theirs because of THEFT and very bad decision making from our ancestors( The Kemites) 🤷🏾♂️
We invited them in along with the Greeks and have been paying the price since then.
We are supposed to pretend an Arab migration to North Africa never happened. 😂
@@majorlazor5058
Nobody is denying the invasion coming from the Mediterranean because it’s a historical fact.
The issue is those people are claiming to be indigenous to North Africa.
@@X-Factor-22 Oh yes. People deny all the time Arabs aren’t indigenous to North Africa. So true.
This is the first I am hearing of a Hannibal show. As a history buff with a passion for Carthaginian society, this is exciting. Also Denzel is a really skilled actor.
History RUclips likes the get outraged when someone of color plays a character they think shouldn’t be. Then go on to completely ignore whitewashing of other historical characters. It would be nice if there was some self-awareness there.
Also, I’ve seen a dumb argument crop up a lot. The one where people say, if such and such person was of this complexion why didn’t anyone mention it in accounts? This shows a lack of understanding history and how racism (the way we view it today) is only about 500 years old. People hated each other for lots of class, tribal, and linguistic reasons, but “race” is a very new concept.
To add to that. People only bring that up about people of color. We never said why wasn't it mentioned when it comes to white people. It's ridiculous.
Who has been whitewashed specifically?
@@idratherbeaphilthanajustin9533 In the spirit that this is a genuine question, one example is nearly every character in Exodus: Gods and Kings. The most striking being Ramses and Queen Tuya.
Racism as defined today is an extremely new concept. Seeing as how it was redefined 3 years ago. I can't wait for the movie about the REAL Dahomey tribe. Wonder how many melonated will be signing up for those lead roles.
Cause most dont understand that "race" is a societal construct.
Never put ANY TRUST in someone who tells Some Else's Story when their Story is a Lie and when they wrote themselves(EUROPEANS) into His Story
TRUTH 100%
I agree. Why is the US telling this story? Why in English? What connection does the US have yo this story?
To further the Hybrid/Troglodytes lies,it's what they do besides cause Destruction everywhere they go.
Question... how does a group of people who supposedly were robbed of their history and their culture lost for hundreds of years. Now... all the sudden. They are the only ones who know the truth about history. Like... for the greatest general ever... he didn't even accomplish his goal. Some strategic military moves yes. But, Alexander was a true genius.
No educated person claims Hannibal was Europeans, Europeans fought against him, but he was not black this is getting ridiculous, Hannibal was part of an elite of colonizers from modern day Lebanon , the fact that you even want to portrait a colonizer as black just yo steal their thunder is crazy
The ancient Carthagenians were Phoenicians who were hamitic from a Nilotc ethnicity ( East Africans), similar to the ancient Egyptians in culture and physical appearance.
They are Shemites but closely related in appearance to each other. Maybe that is why God changed Abram's name to AbraHAM, a father of many nations. Ham means hot and nations.
Hannibal Barca was Black Deal with it.
@@shafsteryellow Sheeet!!!! ........
Hannibal was most likely brown but unfortunately we live time where people think they’re only white and black ppl
@@KOCChristianHe was of Punic origin aka African Descent this argument is stupid
What's that has to do with your confusion????????@judaman837
He was and Ernle Bradford book about Hannibal on page 59 he refers to Hannibal as “the dark skinned leader of the strange foreign army” On page 125 Ernle Bradford calls Hannibal “The Alexander The Great of the Afro-Semitic world.”
I love your videos and have more trust in yours than many other "historical" videos. If you aren't positive about something, you come right out and say it as with this video. You are asking questions here, not making statements. You are allowing your viewers to hear the perspectives of all sides. That is awesome. I have learned more about Sub Saharan Africa from you than anywhere else. Keep this up. You are better than the so-called History Channel.
I have to admit that I miss your original theme with the drums, though.
Good god, y'all are insecure.
@@ursamajor6347
Complimenting him makes me insecure? Did you ride the short bus to school?
I read about the details of the Hatian slave rebellion a few years ago. It is one of the most remarkable stories in world history, and no one has ever even attempted to bring it to film. I always thought that it was the fact that melanated peoples came together to accomplish greatness against all odds without anyone's help..... They'll NEVER show anyone that.
Very well said as a Haitian I understand that if a movie does come out so will a lot of questions like why was Haiti force to pay reparations to France and the US, did either nation try to make right their wrongs ??? Hell no !!!!!!! Haiti , the reason there is even a 50 states of America today!!!!!
actually, I saw a movie about this story; I think Marlon Brando acted in that movie
@@TheVinci19 actually BURN was not based in Haiti!!!! In fact it was Haitians that liberated most of South America!
@@hendricktheodule9793 Now you told the title, I remembered it, it's about a fictional Portuguese colony, not Haiti.
Don't embarrass yourself saying that, anyway. Haitians didn't liberate anyone, but their fight influenced both europeans, that ended slavery after a few years, and slaves and other inhabitants of colonies, inspiring them to fight against what remained of Spanish and Portuguese power
@@TheVinci19 President Alexandre Pétion understood the significance of the man who led the liberation movement. Pétion offered Bolívar 1,000 rifles, ammunition, and other supplies; he also provided hundreds of Haitian sailors and soldiers who had fought in the Haitian Revolutionary War. The offering came with one condition: Bolívar had to abolish slavery in South America when he founded a new republic; Bolívar agreed. He and his army once again took on Spain - returning to Haiti a second time for assistance - and triumphantly declared Venezuela an independent country in 1821. After later defeating Spain across South America, Bolívar declared himself president of Gran Colombia (present-day Venezuela, Colombia, Panama, and Ecuador), Peru, and Bolivia.
Foreshadowing Latin America’s present relationship to Haiti, Bolívar broke his promise to Pétion. Rather than wholly abolishing slavery, Bolívar sought to maintain Latin America’s racial and class heirarchy so that white elites like himself would not fall to a “pardocracia,” a so-called mulatto takeover.
Another thing Hollywood would do to Black actors of the 60's.....If the Black character did something heroic or took upon himself a successful leadership role....he was then killed in some way.
To cut It short, just read what Romans described the people of Tunisia.
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Can you send a source to this very interested in reading.
Black before the religion of Peace showed up.
@@wowowofjfsdfd7349 Robin walker when we ruled.
@@Infinite_Guide04 appreciate it will check it out.
The elephants with which Hannibal crossed the Pyrenees and the Alps in order to invade Italy during the Second Punic War (218-201 BC) belonged to the North African elephant, with the exception of Hannibal's personal animal, Surus (meaning "the Syrian," or possibly "One-Tusker"). This individual, according to his documented name and large size, may have been a Syrian elephant (Elephas maximus asurus), which was possibly a subspecies of the Asian elephant that became extinct shortly after Hannibal invaded Italy, but before the extinction of the North African elephant.
So the question is who is on the Etruscan coin?
Note*The Etruscan coin is from central Italy, 208-207BCE.
Exactly! I say this all the time. They tell you whos the right one without telling you by also naming barcas personal elephant and it's type. By doing so they're giving away which coinage is the real one and which is fake
Everyone knows Hannibal used African elephants. Carthage was in North Africa. Literally NO one disputes this. What’s ridiculous is the idea that simply because someone is from Africa, that means they were black despite the fact Carthage was a state of Phoenician colonizers from the Levant. They only used Indigenous North African peoples as mercenaries, which would be their downfall.
@@AttaMan if there were no cameras you would doubt that nelson mandela was black because southafrica was colonised by netherlands and later by britain?
@@princezee5127 I can use logical fallacies, too. Watch this:
There were no cameras during the American Revolutionary War. Do you think George Washington was Chesapeake Indian because he was born in Virginia which was originally inhabited by Native Americans?
What I personally believe or doubt is irrelevant in the face of historical fact. Hannibal Barca was Phoenician and his ancestors were Levantine colonizers who subjugated indigenous North Africans. Stop idolizing them.
@@AttaManLOUD AND WRONG😂. Hannibal's army used African elephants, however Hannibal did not. His own personal elephant has his own history and Wikipedia pages. The elephants name was SURUS and I'll let you do your own research from there. did I ever say that Africa = black? No I didn't. It did in history for a time beforeany invasions and intermixing as well tho.
Very good work on this theory. Hannibal simply looked like the people of that time in 200 bc everyone in this region were dark peoples period.
Nope, that's just your deluded mind, trying to compensate your victim mentality by stealing other people history...
Instead of rewriting it, maybe you should start writing it, I'm sure there's lot of great people who would deserve a good biopic
Further support for Ender’s theory is how easy it is to subconsciously or only semi consciously do it. I have no delusions that none of the execs think about this plainly, but many fall to this subconsciously because only if pressed would they admit “you can’t have the black guy win” or “it doesn’t seem realistic unless the black guy loses.” A lot of structural racism can exist because of open status quo bias/fallacy. It’s also part of the pipeline to mask off conscious racism.
Great video
This Enders theory is a cunning mix of lies and truths.
The notion of historical greats being "sacred cows" is a dog whistle for perpetuation of the status quo. It is also error to suggest that "tradition" means anything more than lies agreed upon. Western scholarship has been shameless since its inception. The founder of the Ptolmaic dynasty, a Macedonian, would have never realized the consecration of his royal station without marriage to a woman of the Kemetyu royal lineage. This is a fact. No lilly white Cleopatra is even possible.
The great General Hannibal Barca is still yet another that needs to be discovered beyond "tradition".The Carthaginian peoples, both Punic and Phoenician, also of Canaan, naturally knew Hannibal as one of their own.
By today's definition an ancient Black people, having raised a still celebrated Black Man.
Ender’s Theory is most certainly intentional. I learned this to be the case as a communications major. Media, all forms, has always been used to push forward a particular narrative. Since the time of European colonization and a bit before (starting, some say, with Shakespeare) it has been used pointedly to push the narrative of so-called “white” superiority. The first well known film “Birth of a Nation” is a full blown propaganda piece that fomented one of the most die-hard terrorists groups to date…. Ender’s Theory may be “dark” but that’s only because the truth really is abominably horrific.
That couldn't be more true. Barnes and Noble still sells the movie and the book "Birth Of A Nation" hailing it as the most controversial movie of all time and acknowledging that it lead to the rebirth of the KKK and massacres of black communities. It has however ceases selling Hebrews 2 Negroes book series and movies which offers a biblical interpretation of the Transatlantic Slave Trade and why it was so different from past slavery to epic and biblical proportions.
astute and pointedly correct observation
Welll whites do create everything and build great civilizations so others can complain about it
If you are not controlling the narrative you don't get to complain. Honestly, we sound like children complaining to their parents. Black people: take control.
I would love to see a well written movie on Amanirenas or Piye just as much as I’d like to see movies about Brian Boru, Hywel Dda, Llewelyn the Last, or Owain Glyndwr. Unfortunately Hollywood ignores good stories from non-Anglo-Germanic-Hellenic cultures and tends to portray them as insignificant barbarians. William Wallace and Robert Bruce were both of Anglo-Norman stock, and are often put on pedestals because their heritage is more agreeable with Anglicized audiences. Ethiopia also has a vibrant and decently documented history, but is also ignored by Hollywood as a source of good uplifting narratives. Just think if we could get a historical movie or show that shows the fall of the Solomonic dynasty and the rise of the Zagwe with all the political intrigue such a narrative has to offer! One can only hope!
okay tell Denzel to do tthose movies then.......they lmow about such...
Hence why we should make these films ourselves. Waiting for Hollywood will do no good.
King Piankhi would be incredible
@admirekashiri9879. My very thoughts!! These theses & themes of study should be examined more thoroughly, beginning at the undergrad level of film studies-& progressing from there.
So-titled “Enders Theory” derives its roots from the published works of Donald Bogle, Henry Turner Ward, Frantz Fanon & others of earlier eras, exploring literature & and theatrical propaganda widely-disseminated in the 20th century, under which Black & Afrikan centrism found themselves relegated. “Tragic mulatto” themes of Chesnutt, Toomer, Richard Wright, & others come to mind.
But it’s not realistic to anticipate “DEI” treatments or any other concessions really, from persons long-embattled & long-enriched by mostly anti-Black/Black-omission qualities in productions.
Only the people of Afrikan origin have any real interest or responsibility to THEIR young to present their historical mandates as ancestry would have it-for the betterment & self-respect required in order to entirely detach from subjugation as a thought-action perspective.
European mythology has done no less for its descendants, regardless of truth or accuracy in films/plays. Doing so with Truth as a precept is now imperative in order for Black people to dispel self-lying, self-deception re: systemics & global power dynamics.
Film majors & performing artists in the future have no currency to gain by falling for “opportunity” scams, “big money” scams foisted onto previous Gens by The System’s own industry.
That is one thing that Tyler Perry & Katt Williams have understood correctly: if you want advancement of meaning & integrity, while Nonwhite in the System of Injustice/Racism, you must solve the fundamental problem of R/WS by severing its stranglehold.
It was only ever intended to “benefit” one grouping of people, from its inception until now.
And if there is one grouping that cannot be imposed-upon, forced-into, bought/begged-into, (except in complete subordination) it is absolutely theirs, no competition.
Yes, we need to know this
It is very disappointing that people still have not understood that the "Mediterranean type" is a range that resulted from centuries of mixing throughout the Mediterranean Basin, extending into the Aegean, Adriatic and Ionian Seas. That is a monster mix potential! And, as humans so are, they most definitely tested one another out as partners.
The tendency to erect racial boundaries along geographical lines, is pretty much modern foolishness.
We do need to think about how black actors are cast in roles for large Hollywood productions. Anyone who has ever tried to act in any theatre production knows how hard it is to get cast in a meaningful , substantial roles. Perhaps we should be grateful for Denzel Washington to have this role because it is not the final destination but a step along the way to greater acceptance of black actors in Hollywood. I am thinking of Kirk Russell or Issur Danielovitch Demsky in the 1960 role of Spartacus. He acted under an alias because The United States was not friendly to a leading man whose last name was Demsky. Michael Douglas , Kirk Douglas' son never went back to being Demsky, either. Denzel Washington got to keep his original name and he is getting substantial leading roles. He has been in the industry for over 40 years . What has he learned?
I love jewish people and hollywood
You people are babied and pampered by the white liberal, always given things but its never enough. Given awards, given all sorts of jobs, given priority for many services, always given and never earning.
Notice Star Wars John Boygea can't be a Jedi? notice John Boygea chasing the white girl Rey all around but yet Finn can't have a romance thing with Rey? yeah know got to have that The Twilight Saga in space. Notice there are not a lot of black people who can't be leaders or strong males in films? Notice most black Marvel superheroes are sidekicks. Even in Marvel comics Blue Marvel, the creator experienced racism. Some people hate the fact Blue Marvel is a powerful black and strong male character. James Bond can't be black too. In fact, some people hated Obama being a black president when you even think about it.
This probably explains why the first Black Panther movie was so successful. It "broke the mold" or so to speak.
Obama was not a "Black" president. He is bi-racial having absolutely NO TIES to ADOS lineage and multi-cultural having been raised by an Indonesian step-father. Tell me where ANY of that makes him Black.🤔
@thevisitor1012 Not exactly, they gave us what we wanted on the surface, but delving deeper, the King was stvpid and didn't care for Black people as a whole, The white man (the actual enemy) was made the savoir, and Killmonger the actual hero was made the villain just because his methods and views were seen as extreme even tho what his plans were... were definitely necessary with "Black Freedom" being his goal. He wasn't evil, he only treated brainwashed Blacks as the enemy, I doubt he would've done that to any Black person who wanted the same thing. Even Nat Turner was the same way, if I remember correctly, was he not the same brotha who suggested that anyone who wasn't down with the revolution be kill3d? Wakanda Forever was more of the same bs, just without Black men, and this time the Mexican character the actual enemy was the nonsensical hero.
Most Black Marvel Heroes aren’t sidekicks. Black Panther, Blue Marvel, Luke Cage, Blade are all fan favorites who had entire series dedicated to them. Blue Marvel literally defeated a sentry (the same guy that ripped Ares in half).
@@draco_1876 Sorry to burst your bubble, but Blade ain't Black, his father Lucas cross is a white man. It's only the TV shows that depict him as a Black man and those depictions aren't canonical.
in my personal experience, those complaining about an actor's race not being historically accurate do not know or care a whole lot about history in general, they just have a set of loosely related ideas that confirm their biases in their minds.
VERY TRUE,RACISTS DONT WANT TO SEE BLACK PEOPLE EVEN IN ANCIENT BLACK LANDS
Yes my good sir, and most people are extremely ignorant. Scary ignorant.
Says the Marxist brainwashed person
The only issue I have with Denzel is Hannibal was 26 at the time of the 2nd Punic war. Now if the movie is going to be about a later point of his life fine. But if not cast a much younger actor like Micheal B Jordan or Mason Gooding.
Damn good catch
I could see them using CGI to make him younger during the 2nd Punic war.
I don't even know this story. I do know this is not a US story. I have no idea why the US is making this story tbh
okay they got tech..to deal with his age,,,,LOL
It should have been a native AFRICAN actor. Why you trying to supplant yourselves in AFRICAN history?!
Don't tell Denzel to stay in his place... He can do wtf he wants.
If ANYONE has earned their place in Hollywood to do WHATEVER role he sees fit, it's Denzel. He and others of his ilk are Hollywood royalty as far as I'm concerned
He's just old for the role. Cgi can change that.
Denzel Washington is fantastic for Hannibal’s character.
No he isn't
There's so much truth to what you're saying. Your channel is literally filled with some of the most amazing African stories, many of which unknown to the general public. How big hollywood studios rather shoehorn Black characters in racially ambiguous roles instead of telling authentic African stories is what I'm having a hard time understanding.
While there is no evidence of how Hannibal actually looked like, and he was of course darker skinned than the regular Roman, he was a Phoenician, which means he would look closer to modern day Semitic people.
It reminds of The Woman King movie, and their depiction of the Dahomey warriors and watering down the truth of their involvement in the slave trade on purpose, so people actually find it out for themselves and continue the unfavorable view of Africans and Africans of the time.
MUTTINES was Hannibals second in command in italy and Hannibals brother Hanno refused to serve under a half breed african.
MUTTINES wasnt even half black he was half carthaginan and half berber and they STILL looked down on him.
The carthaginans were PHONECIAN colonisers.
A half african general specifically berber north african was enough to cause MUTINY amongst the army. How on earth can you imagine that Hannibal was Black when even non black african admixture was deemed to disqualify you from leadership.
@@shafsteryellow Just because Phonecians developed Carthage doesn't mean native Black Africans didn't play a prominent role in their society. For example, a High priestess of Tanit in Carthage was found to be black.
"Pittard (1924) notes with surprise the race of the
remains found in the Sarcophagus of the Priestess of’
Tanit in Carthage, noting them to be Negroid
(see also Bertholon and Chantre, 1913)."
There are coins with Hanibals' image on them
lol modern day semitics are eurasian infiltrators, black people inhabited those lands, it's like saying modern Egyptians are ancient Egyptians, when ancient Egyptians before invasions were black people
There is a coin of Hannibal, he is a Black African man. It is from a real picture of him on a coin when he invaded a city.
But he was dark skinned African 😮so how and why are they mad?.....
😂😂 He was neither black nor african.
yes he was dark skinned but not ngro/black...........
@@shafsteryellowYeah, he was a green alien. Deal with Arab, and remove that boy from your profile pic you murdering racist, put your face their.
@@shafsteryellow you are right he was green from Greenland. 😂😂😂😂😂
@@missjuneplum1he was from middle east, they invaded and colonized modern dar Tunisia, do Americans even read
Excellent video, brother. Hannibal was definitely Black. If he weren't, there wouldn't be any ambiguity. They only ever apply the veil of ambiguity when the notable figure is definitely Black, and they want to cover it up.
there's no ambiguity. He was not black, period. Suddenly you decided that everyone in the world were black, and you call your own delusion 'ambiguity'. Nobody has ever had the littler hint he was black, because Chartaginians, Tunisians, Lebanese, Phoenicians, and the entire present and ancient north africans, have never been black
@TheVinci19 that sounds like wishful thinking. Africans are not actually strangers to their own continent.
@@maryamkim1281 what does it mean? never said that. Africans are not the same. If you said that Finns in ancient times inhabited Sicily, I'd laugh. It's the same: in ancient times, black never inhabited north Africa. I guess you'd like your people had done something remarkable or important, unfortunately it's never happened
@@TheVinci19ooh. *your people*? Now you're getting emotional. The original inhabitants of the continent in ancient times were black skinned Africans. It's so basic look it up. And stay rational.
@@TheVinci19I also hope you're not suggesting ancient indigenous peoples of Northern Africa were actually "white" Europeans?
Thank you for this. I was trying to explain to one of my sisters why I don't watch movies with Africans. The dysfunctional family structures with tragic ends.
Continue your important work! ❤🇹🇹
At one time in history, the Arabs even referred to the parts of Africa they later dominated as Balad A Sudan: “Land of the Blacks”…in spite of the previously long periods of Persian, then Greco-Roman rule! Consequently, it’s more likely Hannibal was Black than not!
Considering Ender’s Theory…the overwhelming evidence proves the theory is actually a fact! 💯
Yes, that was to the more Southern lands, just like how lands south of Libya, Atlas and Egypt were reffered to as Aethiopia (burnt faced people by the Greeks) Hannibal was a Punic, Carthage was Phoenician, with the city name being from the Latin variation of the Phoenician qrt-ḥdšt (𐤒𐤓𐤕 𐤇𐤃𐤔𐤕) meaning "New City". The Phoenicians and Greeks colonized the Mediterranean and calling Carthage native African, would be like calling the city of Massilia "Gaulish" just because it was located in Modern Marseilles, despite being a Ionian Greek colony.
@@Liquidsback It seems that at one point Black people predominated North Africa as well.
“The Berber women are from the island of Barbara, which is between the west and the south. *Their color is mostly black* though some pale ones can be found among them. If you can find one whose mother is of Kutama, whose father is of Sanhaja, and whose origin is Masmuda, then you will find her naturally inclined to obedience and loyalty in all matters, active in service, suited both to motherhood and to pleasure, for they are the most solicitous in caring for their children. “
- Ibn Battuta
I wonder in what period of time a Lebanon people may become black. And how come all those black north africans are disappeared. I mean, Romans, Greeks, Persians, Arabs, never noticed black people in north Africa, you believe they all were blind?
@@TheVinci19ignorant jokes, again. Why not read some of the ancients' writings. You'd have to revise your thoughts.
@@TheVinci19and no, black North Africans never disappeared. You just don't want to see them. Or just pretending they don't exist.
And it's Lebanese, not "Lebanon people".
So what ... They can't handle the truth ... Who says life is only about what they can handle???!!!!!!
Barca is my all time favorite historical figure.
The fact that Denzel is portraying him brings me a boost of serotonin that makes me feel like I’m going Super Sayian.
If you have to keep hammering to another group of people that no matter what they do, they will lose or, that they have no worth, it means you fear that group of people because you at your core are jealous of them because you see their greatness and feel inferior to that group of people. Otherwise, you'd just chill and live happily, like us. It's sad really.
As for Othello and Macbeth, it's Shakespeare. Most actors want to play those characters as a test of their craft.
Hannibal is being done by Antoine Fuqua(sp) so I think he wants a portrayal of Hannibal that seems plausible. Great video.
Hard to be jealous of someone or something that has never accomplished anything....just sayin
@@sureucan9366the level of obssession your people have over our every move is insane. I wonder what kind of mental illness you people have that you can't stop thinking about us.
A black Hannibal is not plausible
1000% accurate. The Shakespearean phrase, "The lady doth protest too much, methinks," perfectly encapsulates this. Overdoing a denial with a degree of guilt.
@@apologiaromana4123 Sure.
I would like to point out that the coin in this video almost certainly doesn't depict Hannibal, as other coins with the same depiction have been found in the area that date to decades before Hannibal was even in Italy.
It has been awhile I have listened to this sorting voice with so much quality entertaining information❤
No one can say what Hannibal looked like for certain. The problem I have with Denzel playing him is age. Hannibal was 26 at the height of his fame. Don’t think Denzel can pull off 26.
Why are some people insulted and angered by the idea that Hannibal was a black African man?
Because Hannibal was Phoenician not African . Carthagians are literally Phoenician colonisers of Tunisia
Because he was neither black nor african, is like saying the white in south Africa are black Africans because they colonized the territory. Go read about him and you'll understand that ethnically he was middle eastern
Because that's not what he was.
@@tomzhouschannel968 because you say so doesn't qualify as fact.or explanation. Rather gaslit deficiency crying for attention.
@@tomzhouschannel968was Jesus white Caucasian???
Many African Americans likely also have Scottish and Irish origins.
There is a Coin of Hannible, it was from when Hannible invaded a city. It shows Hannible as a Black African man. His hair & lips are cleary of African origin.
No confirmation of that being Hannibal.
@@Liquidsback Actually it is. It is a direct portrait taken when Hannibal entered an Italian city. Look it up before spewing nonsense. smh
@@calicoesblue4703No it not you dolt there is no confirmation that coin is Hannibal Barca and you know that😢😢😢
@@calicoesblue4703 Yet it looks nothing like the confirmed coin of Hadsdrubal who was his brother.
@@Liquidsback Yet, there was literally never a real portrait of his brother. smh. So before spewing nonsense, get your facts right.
I think your perspective is an absolute plausible one, very well thought out, and displayed/portrayed. I love the way you even propose some plausible flaws to your theory, but your overall point and depictions are receipts, not just talk! It is sound & believable information. Keep telling our stories with as much receipts as you can come up with, so I can share your well thought out docu/show to others. It it time in 2024 to push our narratives for the truth to the forefront of people’s, seriously brainwashed minds. They all need to know the truth and except it, so balance is restored, with the true history of the oldest people on the planet. There are so many stories about Africans that were glorious, not tragic, and Hollywood needs to wake up with true, accurate depictions of African history. After all they have been here for thousands of years ( Not hundreds, like those who came later) before other cultures were developed and begin to tell their stories , write their books and print their currency, and make statues or busts of their images, thus their history, Africans, already had rich ,thriving lives, were intelligent, and established enough to sail themselves around the world, establishing other civilizations. Keep driving home the truth. We are eager students, still learning some of these truths for the first time. Thank you for your time and effort along with your professionalism, getting this information out here. Yah is guiding you! Yah has blessed you with the talent of teaching the truth!
We all love jewish people support israel.
@@emperorthylord Sorry, you don’t get to make this all about you, (We recognize that you are the converted Jews ) we love all people period! Including you, but especially the Palestinian people right now! We don’t recognize you as the “underdog” in that war.
@@yol.2248 That was the most anti jewish comment that I could write but you are good soul so bless you.
You are outstanding! Thank you for the edification sir. Well thought out... similar paradigm came to me. You read enough history and ignore propaganda and casuistry, the last 2,000 years of history presents an uncomfortable continuity of entrenched evil, not just inequity. Keep sharing the knowledge! Thank you
That's an intriguing theory and it aligns well with my suspicion that Hollywood feels more comfortable seeing black people losing. This might explain why momentous events in history where black people won battles and wars against outsiders have yet to reach the small and big screens. The Haitian Revolution, the Battle of Kitombi where two Bakongo kingdoms repelled a Portuguese attempt to conquer Kongo, the Kongolese defeat of a Portuguese army resulting in the return of Kongolese captives pressed into overseas slavery, the Kandace that repelled a Roman invasion, the Nubian archers that turned back successive Arab incursions, the Marron's fight against the British. These were successful African military victories that should be cinematized.
I agree that these are all interesting stories that should be put to film, particularly the Haitian revolution. However, if your goal is to simply relish in the depiction of “blacks vs whites” in the Haitian revolution, you should understand that the Haitian revolution was a lot more complicated than that.
@@pretzelstick320 Yes it was, which makes it all the more epic, because the conflict was not always race based, although race powerful underlay the conflict.
Didn’t Hannibal and his men occupy southern Italy for awhile? And while they were there they made “friends “ with the Italian ladies?
That’s why the people of southern Italy have dark coloring while northern Italians have fair coloring right till this day.
That proves Hannibal was Black.
No, it has nothing to do with that. Simply put, people from the Mediterranean have naturally olive skin. Northern Italians are made clearer only by the Germanic tribes that settled there after the collapse of the Roman Empire, such as the Lombards.
@@elo6550 There is some evidence of African admixture though. Haplogroup E is usually high among Mediterranean populations. And in case you didnt know, Haplogroup E and all its variants originates in East Africa.
@@thevisitor1012Thank you. Well said.
@@elo6550 It has a lot to do with that. The people of Sicily, near southern Italy have noticeable African traits too. I’m sure they have intermingled with the southern Italian people also.
@@elo6550 and what colour are olives, my friend? They brownish-green, black and brown. What do you think the word 'olive" for skintones reflected, originally? Wake up.
Your voice is so beautiful. I could listen to you speak all day.
Let's just enjoy the movie, cmon it's Denzel Washington working with Antoine Fuqua here it's gonna be awesome and epic.
Sicilians told me Hannibal was black when they were trying to get the n word pass. Lol.
Many couldn't handle the fact that Queen Charlotte was gorgeously melanated !!! We make up 89% of The Earth ... We are a Magnificent Culture!!! We've always had to tolerate their lies, it's alright for them to accept/tolerate Our Truths!!!!
Stop saying we. Stop grouping everyone together. You aren’t helping with this.
These people know there are coins of Hannibal showing him as an African on one side and and elephant on the other.
Hasdrubal's coin would like a world..
Does the coin say Hannibals name on it?
There is no proof that its Hannibal on the coin. NONE. Ur lying to yourself and others to try to steal a historically great figure. And hey even if he was "Black" do you think he would go "Ahh my african brother" or "Hey you none Carthaginian Scum DIE". Cringelord6000.
Powerful content to consider. Keep up the great work Home Team History.
The coin you mentioned is Etruscan. It is wrong to assume it’s Hannibal because we know the Barca family is an imperial Punic Dynasty from Phoencia and we have the coins of his father, Hamilcar, and his brother, Hasdrubal - both phenotypes of a near easterner. The coin you referenced is depicting an obscure figure lost to history, likely minted before the time of Hannibal.
Your Enders Theory is quite convincing though. Until I see an accurate representation of a black historical figure overcoming obstacles, you may be right.
Private auction coin of Hasdrubal had "DREADLOCKS" and "Nubian crease". Entire family was SUBSAHARAN phenotypes. Hannibal was the product of 300yrs of Royal BLACK LIBYAN ADMIXTURE!
Okay you guys' fact check me. Mariane Pearl who Angelina Jolie Portrays in a mighty heart is black. Andromeda who is portrayed by white actresses in both films would have also been black. Then pay attention to Toussaint Louverture uniform he was a French Republican general first.
One thing Ender's Theory and this video on casting doesn't touch on is the perspective of actors.
Actors love a good juicey drama and multilayered characters, tragic figures such as the ones mentioned in this video provides that. There's a reason that white actors have competed for the opportunity to play these tragic figures for generations.
The recent Cleopatra adaptation touches on so many things. The producers and director of that series are African American woman who grew up with the belief that Cleopatra being an African Queen = their phenotype.
Studying the Hows & Whys of films turning out the way they do is as complex as studying history since there are so many moving parts and individuals with their own desires and goals at play.
I would agree that NOT telling stories of unambiguously Black/African historical figures who triumphed (and it not be misery porn) IS an ACTIVE CHOICE by the still predominantly white Hollywood/culture makers. The deliberate choice of omission does shape the lens general audiences view the depictions of Black/African characters, both intentionally and not.
Fascinating theory, I will be looking closer at big budget films with a Black lead going forward!
Very keen eye and intellect on critically thinking beyond what our school education system requires. You are right and you shouldn't label it as a "controversy" anybody with the same ability to observe and research will reach the same conclusion you brought to us on this platform of thiers. It is their platform, why would they correctly tells us "His-story" especially when it comes to melanated beings. I myself am a descendant of the mighty Haitian people (Tianos, Arawak, West Africans) we bought us the first victory for melanated people in recent times. If I had the funds I would immediately make that film, its such a staple victory for the melanated beings and it should be known worldwide, along with many great nations that we're produce by us and still is being produced by us "first world countries".
No film of John Horse either. Good theory.
Heres what I dont understand, why in the hell are people that are anglo saxon, germanic, frankish, nordic etc pissed about North Africa when it had nothing to do with them? If im not mistaken they were enslaved and colinized by the Romans at the time. The Romans considered them as savages. The Majority of them at the time most likely never even knew that Africa even existed. Not only that, they take all of nothern and Western Europe, lump it all together and claim it as their history but if Africans do the same thing with Africa, they get their panties in a bunch. Anglo Saxon descendants try to force flat "whiteness" on other Europeans, when most Europeans dont see it that way. Anywho......Netflix is definitely going after that ESG money though.
Right? Excellent point
I agree with this comment completely.
Ask other Europeans if they are caucasion, and report back to me with what they say....
We know what Cartheginians looked like - see the young man of Byrsa from around 500 BC, he has caucasion genetics. The question should be asked why African Americans are claiming every other culture including the Vikings!
@idratherbeaphilthanajustin9533 Been there done that! Europeans from all walks are very proud of their ethnicity, especially eastern Europeans and those of Baltic decent; they do not like to be lumped in with Western Europeans. Also, not all Europeans consider themselves Caucasian or Aryan for that matter. I've never heard any person from Sicily call themselves Caucasian. Lastly, it is wp that say you can't tell race by phenotype, as some "Caucasians" are allegedly not white. That being said, wp consistently contradict that statement. It goes back to what I initially said, "white people" don't even know what is white. Everyone seems to have a different opinion or view of what a "white person" is. To a 3rd pty, this shit is confusing......it's bruh....wtf!
@@Mista_Terrific81 'I've never heard any person from Sicily call themselves caucasion'... Probably because you haven't asked or could understand one!
Ethiopian ruler Haile Selassie claimed to be caucasion - Amhara people have around 50% West Asian ancestry. 'White' this and 'white' that is missing the point somewhat. However, if you can find another description to describe Eurasians due to our similar phenotype I'm all ears.
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The fact is that Europeans, Near Easterners and some North African populations are classified as caucasion and are of a 'white' phenotype. For the purpose of the argument of Carthage being a black civilisation, I think it's pretty damn obvious it wasn't.
Controversy with Queen Nefi, Cleo now Hannibal 🤦🏾♀️ they can’t handle the TRUTH of being 🖤🤎…Denzel played Eli 🤷🏾♀️ so what’s the problem 😒 get over it damn 🤨
@@shafsteryellowGreeks were black
@@YourKingJDG What??
Pretty sure that Cleopatra was white. Queen Nefertiti is definitely black. But Cleo wasn't.
@@YourKingJDGWtf?.
@@iykazorji8171 All the greek gods were black as well. Got increasingly whitewashed during the centuries
This is so lovely. Nice and accurate buildup to details.
I’m honestly just glad he’s getting a cinema, he’s my absolute favorite person in history I was literally FASCINATED with him as a child, his skin tone doesn’t matter to me he was still from the African continent in origin and his story is part of one that had been neglected for centuries
you realize that, by your actual way of thinking, he was a 'colonizer', exactly as the white south africans?
Since Netfflix is producing, I can already tell you that Alexander Siddig's performance and movie is better.
@@TheVinci19 I genuinely don’t care, he’s a known colonizer he founded Barcelona
@@almightyswizz Carthago itself was a colony. They were colonizers, I meant they were not Africans, but Lebanese
@@Liquidsback ok thank you I will watch them both I didn’t know he already had movies I’ve only ever read about him and his home town Carthage. The accounts are fantastical almost like a fairy tale but in real life, his travels, treaties & battles… stuff of imagination, voyages through untamed Iberia
Hannibal Barca was not black , tht's a fact
born in Carthage from a Phoenician heritage and the fact that there are living Tunisian descendants of him who carry his last name ''Barca'' and who look pale doesn't help. It's not a ''controversy'' for us Tunisians who know our history better than Americans obviously and if we want to complain about it we will. Netflix is gonna be slapped with another lawsuit like it did with Egypt.
I’m here for the theme drum intro, please bring it back. 😮❤
Haters gonna hate, eff them
Well at least everyone agrees with the fact that Hannibal and his entire family are born and raised in Carthage !
Now Netflix or Amazon or whatever it is wants Hannibal Black warrior, let them deal with that ! Today there’s something called “genealogy” and the Genealogy confirm that 88% of the nowadays Tunisian are originally North African , and on top of that Tunisian are the 4th least racially diverse people in the world!!
So who should we believe? Netflix or Genealogy 🤔
And to add more: at the Carthaginian museum there are plenty of mosaic clearly showing Hannibal he is not a black warrior!! History is History mate !! The Romans did it all to wipe out the history of Carthage but they never succeeded, so you think Netflix can do that ?? I don’t think so.
If I tell you Christopher Columbus and Alexander the Great are Chinese and Julio Caesar is from Mongolia ? You will probably laugh at my comments, well this is what we Tunisian doing now with this Netflix series!
I don’t have any issues with any nations we are all humans ! But why we fabricate the history??
Doesn’t make any sense.
Peace ✌️ to everyone.
Excellent video
I am glad you went with this is your opinion! And leave it at that!
Very interesting theory, and quite plausible when we take into consideration the "Cultural Hegemony" concept of Antonio Gramsci.
He was of Phoenician anstery. Phoenicians were described as copper, bronze, or red. He prolly wasn't Denzel dark, but I'm more concerned with the acting.
I.e. levantine / semitic
Or the fact that Hannibal is supposed to be young
Its crazy because i never had the words or evidence to explain this same feeling i had. Even in black panther, the Mexican character destroyed Wanda's leadership and the blacks had to play nice in the end.
I absolutely believe there is a dark agenda. I immediately thought of the Netflix Cleopatra series. Yts have been fighting tooth and nail to claim Cleopatra as “theirs”. Why all of a sudden the change of heart?
Because Cleopatra was of Macedonian/Greek descent and her well recorded family tree was one of incest, it's rather simple.
Cleopatra was of Greek descent in struggling to understand your failure to comprehend that she was VERY unlikely to be black.
There is the queen of Kush
@@tyrussleightholme7261 learn to read and comprehend beloved. I never said I thought Cleopatra was black. I’m personally not very invested in figuring out her race because the concept of race did not exist at that time. So she wouldn’t have identified with being white or black. She saw herself as culturally Egyptian. Stop trying to filter historical figures through modern ideologies.
Even Hannibal if you Google it was never black !
Hannibal was never black !
Also for black Scotland. Plenty evidence shows her history.. common names have alot of clues in it too
Great Video I learned a lot that I never really paid much attention to like The Ender's Theory and the Tragic endings, And your narration is on point.
Honestly it doesn't matter to me anymore. These directors feel a need to do this now for some reason. I think they make decisions like this just to gain attention for the show or movie. At least for this the chance he was black is legitimate, and Denzel Washington is a very good actor so it probably wont be terrible. At this point for me as long as the history is correct and the story good I personally don't care.
Bruh it’s Denzel. I did don’t care if the character is JFK, if Denzel plays him I’m watching.
Yet if Leonardo Delcaprio played MLK , youd have a problem
@@soda8736 let’s see what it do. I would prefer maybe Robert Downey Jr but he has to put in a little weight. Shit would be epic
@@CrazyJoeClark429 Black people would go crazy.
@@soda8736 my people are more open minded. As long as it’s directed by Tarantino we good
Same 😅
Carthage was on the north coast of Africa, and its people were a mix of Phoenician and African peoples such as Berber, Numidian, Tunisian, Iberian, and Greek. He would have been dark-complected, with dark hair and eyes and far more African in appearance than European.
There are plenty of African coins from the Punic/Carthagenian era. Just look up Punic coins from Ibiza, which is named after the African god Bes and plenty of coins with African heads were found there. And there are still many dark skinned native Tunisians in Tunisia to this day. Keeping in mind that Carthage was erased off the maps by Rome and replaced with a Roman town of the same name. Not to mention Trajan's column has African warriors on it also from ancient North Africa. So no, the facts are facts, modern Tunisians want to either be European or Arab and therefore downplay and deny their ancient history as not originating in Europe or Arabia. That history originates going back thousands of years in Africa.
As for Hollywood, the entire issue goes to the history of Hollywood and Indigo face, meaning Europeans dressing up and acting like Africans in stereotypical ways in the Vaudeville era. And modern Hollywood is doing the same thing, making their own "representation" of what African history and identity is. Even worse than that, they are pushing the idea that Africans can only feel proud if they are put into roles from European history and culture. The bigger problem is Africans aren't making their own movies and stories about their own "representation", as if to say they are ashamed of their history and culture........
You know you put a word to something ive been feeling for a while now. Ever since the first black panther. The second black panther really puts it into perspective, that even when they give us representation they still have a hidden agenda to take us down.
I believe they even brought back coming to america to make what was a very triumphant story(although a comedy) and make it messy.
Well said!
Denzel Washington was a Phoenician ...you can tell by his name
Was a series out about famous Black people in the late 1960's, which included Hannibal. Additionally Dr ben, Dr Clarke, Chancellor Williams, Dr Finch, Dr Anderson, and others have researched throughly and spoken about Hannibal.
Dr ben, goes so far as to ID Hannibal's mother who was from Kemet.
What primary source was he using?
Dr.Ben is a major source initself . John Henrik clarke . Is one of the best Researchers that ever did it . A autodidactic .
Powers that be has changed the ethnicity of the people that was very important. Because they really didn't have anyone or anything. It was done from 1400s thru 1920 30s & 40s .once they came into power .
Those people are blackolgist , they make everyone black.
Yeah but they are okay with Jesus looking white😂😂😂
We're hypocrites, sorry 😅
That was a interesting theory you put forth I have never heard of Enders theory
Your content is great. Your idea of Enders Theory is very astute. It opens my mind to this injustice. Thanks... from a white kiwi.
I can accept that there is uncertainty, but because there is uncertainty, there is no problem in portraying him as a dark skinned african man
I'm considering that Hollywood producers might be doing this, and other cases, to (literally) capitalize on outrage. Their goal is to make money, as it has always been. They, or their advertising agencies, figured out this sort of racially-charged casting will spark online outrage, and counter-reactions, such as your very video. At the very least, this creates extra word-of-mouth on the web. It even might lead to more people going to watch it.
And for those which barely care about the sociopolitical, this might look like a positive effort, though it is as fake as the propaganda which starts and ends at the Pride Month, or the pretty colors on the package of throughly industrialized food.
Their goal is to make money. Denzel is a big draw. If the Tunsians want a Hannibal Barca movie with a modern day Tunisian playing it then they are welcolme to make that movie themselves. They don't get to dictate who plays what role in American studios.
Exactly my view. Whatever gets people talking is free advertising because capitalism.
Hannibal was literally a Black man.
Makes me think about the story line of the movie Carmen Jones. Not a historical story but fits the same tragedy narrative I think.
Carmen jones was based on the Opera carmen by Georges Bizet. Carmen died in that original version too.
That said, Hannibal Barca was still Blacks and whyte supremacists, like all psychopaths, are still insecure.
Tunisia before the Arabs.
"The Berber culture in Tunisia is said to be the oldest culture in the region. The roots and tradition are some of the most ancient and still practiced today. In 2011, Tunisia held the inauguration of the Tunisian Amazigh (Berber) Culture Association. It’s the first association focus on the Berbers and the Amazigh culture in Tunisia. The association has the purpose to preserve the Berber villages, culture, and language that hasn’t completely vanished from Tunisia."
From:
Berber Culture in Tunisia
Mosaic North Africa
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So is it more likely Hannibal had a Berber appearance?
What language did Hannibal speak?
So Berbers were all white back on the ancient times?
It's kinda like how the only black person in the movie dies first.
Haitian Revolution and the Kandake Queens would be incredible!!!
Can we also get one on Aboubakar II sailing to the Americas in the 1300s? Mansa Musa's Hajj? Askia Muhommad of Songhai? Yacub, the great scholar of Abyssinia?
I don't see why anyone could get mad or upset at this! The HISTORY, MILLITARY/DISCOVERY CHANNEL all depicts Hannibal as a Black man( as in looks and all )! I Always wanted Tommy Lester ( Debo ) to play him in a movie!
😂😂 North africans weren't black they were berber.
Hannibal wasn't even north african he was phonecian 😂
I don't know if you watched this video, but the problem is the trend we see of Hollywood shoe-horning Black actors to play Tragic historical roles of historical characters that were either known to be non-black, or with ambiguous ethnic origins (Cleopatra, Mcbeth and now Hannibal). Especially when there are numerous historical African descendants whose stories have never been told.
@@shafsteryellow This.
Carthage was a Phoenician city state and something common for all city states is that they maintain a strong distinction between citizens of the city and outsiders. This is true even when they have an Empire.
And since Hannibal came from essentially Carthaginian nobility he would likely have had strong Phoenician blood. The only real uncertinty would be his mother, since she isn't known. But she would likely also have been from a high ranking Carthaginian family because that's how noble politics work. Even if she wasn't Hannibal would still be half Phoenician and not pure African.
It's not certain but it is highly likely, and we only have a single coin to argue for Hannibal looking African compared to a lot of compelling evidence for him to not be African. So there is a chance he looked African but everything else we currently know says that it is a slim chance and definetly not a certainty.
@@JauPim bro Hannibals brother refused to serve under Muttines who was Hannibals second in command because he was a 'half breed african'
Muttines himself wasn't even black he was half punic and half north african berber...
Hannibal had black and berber soldiers and commanders both of which he spoke positively about but clearly there were distinctions.
Hanno wasn't a random odd racist. He was a punic elite and didn't see himself equal to africans IRRESPECTIVE of their colour. He was an elitist. That's why they still spoke and identified as phonecian despite being in africa for centuries and rebelling against tyre.
Whereas the Romans saw the punics, berbers and blacks ALL as african invaders.
@@shafsteryellowhanibaal & northern Africans were so called black quit spreading disinformation.
People on youtube and steam were calling me names and making fun of me when I said there were ancient black greeks.
The Spartans were black too. People really hate the truth.
If I said there were ancient vikings in Nigeria, you wouldn't call me names?
@@TheVinci19 we're comparing apples to pineapples now, are we? Whether you like it or not, there's a lot you don't know about the black presence in the ancient world you want to shut out due to your ignorance.
@@maryamkim1281 absolutely not. they're all apples. Africa is an extraordinary big continent, it's perfectly reasonable black in north africa were not present; it's not something I said, it's something said by Greeks, Romans, Arabs etc. And everybody know, or should know, that Chartaginians were, as you would say, 'colonizers', coming from Lebanon, the ancient Phoenicia. Lebanese look black to you? Tunisians look black to you? You've taken the horrible habit to try to take over other's people achievements, maybe you don't realize how pathetic you look this way, and how the consideration people could have is diminishing any time you talk
The greeks literally called themselves White.
I suggest you all read "Ancient and Modern Britons" by David MacRitchie and do further research as to who and what the "Ancient Peoples" looked like all over the planet whose his-tory is more than 6000 years old (lots of historical books referencing eye witness descriptions of Ancient people) . And how about it is time for Hollywood to start telling the truth!!!
The problem is that most people in the comment section dont know that carthage was an African civilisation.
They think it was somewhere in europe.
@VanquisherOfTroons time of reference is important.
Should a European caucasian play an apache indian biopic simply because modern america is multiracial?
@VanquisherOfTroons Thats not true.
If North africa had no black people why was the etruscan coin made in Italy?.
I think it would have been useful to demonstrate a few of the "sacred cows" with happy endings. I can't think of many. And if there aren't many "sacred cows" with happy endings to begin with, then that could somewhat diminish Ender's Theory. It seems ever since the Greek muse of tragedy entered the scene, we've all been overly enamored with the tragic hero as opposed to the hero with the happy rainbow ending. I'm honestly not sure if making some those tragic heroes black is a malicious conspiracy.
It kills black people's self esteem tho
I mean, I’d like to preface by saying I in no way, shape or form care to intentionally or inadvertently practice protectionism, especially when it comes to Racists & their Racism. With that said, while I acknowledge the trajectory the claim of this video is aiming, it behooves me to highlight that there are stories like Braveheart, Gladiator, & Troy which have their heroes die in the end. It’s an unfortunate, tragic tale for a lot of legends. Death is inevitable, to begin with. A lot of our heroes are martyred. I mean, technically, Jesus was martyred but he had a Resurrection Cheat Code, so 🤷🏾♂️. In any case, people die in epic stories some times. It is what it is.
Point is, we don’t really get stories where we win. It’s either we run it and it goes to crap or we get destroyed. No actual W’s
I don’t have a problem with a Black dude playing Hannibal, but Denzel is way too long in the tooth to be playing him during the Second Punic War. As I recall, Hannibal was rather young when he went on his campaign against Rome. They should find a younger actor for the role.
Hannibal was in his thirties during the second punic war, I'm pretty sure.
He still did a lot of cool stuff after that.
Am local african and love Denzel Washington in this role
Love Denzel I rather them cast his son
How do you know they are not doing just that?
@@mspinkyteedoing just what?