My friend and I had a theory about Rimmer being alive at the end, later aknoledged by Grant and Naylor on a live chat. The experience of meeting his older self and finding out later the advice get was offered was genuine meant he was more willing to believe what he was seeing 30 years later when he was once again confronted with himself as a hologram and so accepted the advice and went into stasis. Now this does indeed raise the question of why the crew didn't survive if Rimmer wasn't around to do his sloppy job on the drive plate but that can be explained with the HG Wells theory on time travel that fate finds a way to correct minor changes in the past and get things back to how they were. So if you go back in time to persuade your father not to go to the bank so he doesn't get shot by a robber, he will go to the park instead and get run over by the getaway car. Lister's change was so drastic that there was no the forces of fate could get him back on Red Dwarf but one of Rimmer's colleagues could easily have caused the accident in his stead. Rimmer's final moments in this episode bringing about his own death should show this is how fate works in the Dwarfverse. x
the thing about the drive plate was that improper repair would lead to a leak. something that if the drive plate was re-designed or additional safety measures were implemented would be avoided. Of course the officers shouldn't have assigned the vending machine repair team to work on a important component of the ships engines. which Kryten points out in justice that while Rimmer did the repair work he should never have been told to do it since he wasn't qualified nor supervised. also a lot of people are confused as to what happened to Rimmer at the end. he slams his fists on two boxes labeled explosives and they go boom since he inadvertently set them off.
If the job went right down as far as Rimmer, it's fairly safe to assume every other tech on board was otherwise engaged. Considering even back then, the ship was essentially a giant rusty dumpster with an atomic rocket up its crack, it might just be that the drive plate would've ruptured anyway before anyone got around to repairing it. Given the events of 'Justice' which raise very relevant questions about the why and how and who of Rimmer, being a lackwitted thunderdunce, pulling a duty of life-threatening importance in the first place, it might be interesting to see a 'hidden story' episode that goes back to that day. Maybe Rimmer was deliberately put on the job for that reason, or maybe he even did a competent job on the drive plate and someone sabotaged his work to make sure events played out as they did. Maybe the Rimmer of this universe was originally destined to become Ace, but one of his enemies altered every significant event of his past to make sure he'd be the abject failure he is now (it would explain why his history seems to change, his first time being Yvonne McGruder one minute and some girl named Sandra the next). Or alternatively maybe he needed to be an abject failure so that by the laws of quantum probability, Ace could come into existence as his exact opposite. Of course, this would mean either that Holly had lied to them for years or that they'd had their memory tampered with, which is perhaps what caused their computer senility (yes, I'm using the impersonal pronoun).
It's really sad it took me watching this in 2024 to FINALLY get why Rimmer blew up at the end. I just happened to have focsed a bit more on the boxes...
I absolutely believe developing old photographs will make a comeback. We live in an age of hipsterism -- how can you doubt the distant future will have similar movements? ;)
I had almost the same feeling. It was moderately good, but with a few minor flaws. As you said, the fact that Rimmer was left aboard Red Dwarf was kind of flawed because he didn't need to be there. Rimmer's only purpose was to keep Lister sane so Lister wouldn't feel lonely. Here is another flaw I just thought of while typing the above paragraph: In Parallel Universe, Lister pushed the button on the Holly Hop Drive, which sent them to the parallel universe. From that universe, Holly met his female counterpart and modeled his face after her. With Lister not there to have pushed the button on the Holly Hop Drive, Holly would not have met his female self and would therefore have not changed his face to look like hers. So in the alternate reality, Holly should have been male. I found it to be an average episode.
It's the same morons who post the phrase "Who's listening to this in (insert year)?" on vids of old pop songs. And the retards who vote up their banal comment to make it the highest rated.
Fun fact the song kryten is rocking out to as he developed the photos was called bad news and was written and performed by Craig Charles and his band at the time.
The song (money, I think) that is played as we are introduced to 'rich' Lister was also Craig Charles' band. He jokes in the episode commentary that Grant and Naylor never paid them for its use!
The big flaw - of many - in the logic of the episode is the fact that Rimmer and Holly remember Lister at all once he changes the past. I was very non-critical when I was younger, but that issue stood out, even for me. Like you say though, rule of funny, logic be damned.
You know, for the longest time - before watching those videos - I thought that RD is a slightly different serie. Sure, I know it's a sci-fi thing, but I thought that: [1] There are more characters [2] It's more serious. So, basically, I thought it's a Star Trek, only British :) So, considering all that, I'd like to say 'Thank you, Dena" for doing those vlogs :) I hope you'll have as much fun in making those, as we (the viewers) in watching them
Fun fact about young Lister's band: they're played by extreme metal titans Carcass. Drummer Dobbin is played by Bill Steer (also played in Napalm Death) and bassist Gazza is played by Jeff Walker.
Developing picture from a magazine (is kinda possible).... i think he means duplicated... in college we did something tandamount.... you photocopy a picture (from a magazine) .. i forget the process but it involves using the copy as a negative, then creating a negative of the resulting image & using that to make a duplicate of the original but on photo paper. But that was a long mostly manual process.... with simple digital technology, you could create the negative using a scanner & then use that to develop the image on photo paper.
This episode is another one of those it wouldn’t work scenarios. If lister never joined red dwarf and therefore kryten wasent rescued. Kryten wouldn’t be around to develop the photo for them to go back to the past and give young lister the tension sheet idea in the first place. Therefore causing a time paradox
Fave episode. Gotta admit, though, that you missed the opportunity to include the, brilliant, line following the frames showing the Giant Statue of Lister not quite urinating champagne in to the courtyard "Almost Swiftian in it's rapier like subtlety." Killer!
Yeah, that is a good one. Unfortunately I can't let clips run too long due to RUclips's Content ID, plus BBC is especially brutal, so sometimes even a funny line has to go.
I think the reason young Rimmer is sleeping with boxing gloves is so he can fight off the other boys, if they decide to have a go at him while he is sleeping.
Errrr, no. It's actually a much cruder joke than that. The teachers make him sleep with boxing gloves. Now think about the things you can't do with boxing gloves on and you'll get it. 😋
TvTropes actually thought of a little fridge brilliance: in Statis Leak, Rimmer went to his past self and told him about the statis leak and then past Rimmer freaked out, but if kid Rimmer had seen hologram Rimmer once beforehand, it changes things around a little and this time he actually listens and manages to get in a statis pod or find the leak before the drive plate incident and lives.
Love your work, Cyborcat. The nocturnal boxing gloves make a callback via his utopian bedroom in "Legion". There are all kinds of transitional objects, I suppose!
Also wouldn't the Red Dwarf have not had the engine issue that started this whole series if Rimmer had a different assistant? Then the lives of the entire crew would of been saved and the actions that created the cat race would of never occurred. So it wouldn't be like he was killing them all, just that they never would of happened anyway.
I think the reason why Rimmer was still a hologram was because although Lister still went down the "Red Tension Sheet Millionaire" path, Rimmer still had to join the Space Corp and be a member of Red Dwarf, and probably thus being a hologram, just with no Lister around. His usual character's path. That is my theory on it at least. *shrugs*
Of course Rimmer would have still been on Red Dwarf while he was alive. But the whole reason for Holly bringing Rimmer back as a hologram was to keep Lister company.
It would have been interesting if they'd kept Rimmer alive - since they wouldn't have needed to work around the fact he can't touch anything (I know they do in Series 6 but that's a few Series hence).
I have to disagree with some of the conclusions, here. There's an obvious difference between a race being "wiped out" and never having existed. If you never existed, you'd never know it. Also, you can't technically "steal" an idea that hasn't been invented yet. In fact, it seems like the whole thing was a time loop with Rimmer giving the idea to the original creator in the first place. We have to asume that if Rimmer hadn't been there the idea would never have been devoloped.
darthkahn45: It was back then as well. That's what they were parodying. Watch The Young Ones for another example of taking the piss out of people like that. Every generation has people like that. Even the sixties had the hippies, which were more like the pretentious dicks of today than people seem to remember. The 'anarchist' crowd were huge in the 80s and were practically identical to the 'SJWs' of today.
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My friend and I had a theory about Rimmer being alive at the end, later aknoledged by Grant and Naylor on a live chat. The experience of meeting his older self and finding out later the advice get was offered was genuine meant he was more willing to believe what he was seeing 30 years later when he was once again confronted with himself as a hologram and so accepted the advice and went into stasis.
Now this does indeed raise the question of why the crew didn't survive if Rimmer wasn't around to do his sloppy job on the drive plate but that can be explained with the HG Wells theory on time travel that fate finds a way to correct minor changes in the past and get things back to how they were. So if you go back in time to persuade your father not to go to the bank so he doesn't get shot by a robber, he will go to the park instead and get run over by the getaway car. Lister's change was so drastic that there was no the forces of fate could get him back on Red Dwarf but one of Rimmer's colleagues could easily have caused the accident in his stead. Rimmer's final moments in this episode bringing about his own death should show this is how fate works in the Dwarfverse. x
Interesting.
This needs a lot more thumbs up. Well written and brilliant.
the thing about the drive plate was that improper repair would lead to a leak. something that if the drive plate was re-designed or additional safety measures were implemented would be avoided. Of course the officers shouldn't have assigned the vending machine repair team to work on a important component of the ships engines. which Kryten points out in justice that while Rimmer did the repair work he should never have been told to do it since he wasn't qualified nor supervised.
also a lot of people are confused as to what happened to Rimmer at the end. he slams his fists on two boxes labeled explosives and they go boom since he inadvertently set them off.
If the job went right down as far as Rimmer, it's fairly safe to assume every other tech on board was otherwise engaged. Considering even back then, the ship was essentially a giant rusty dumpster with an atomic rocket up its crack, it might just be that the drive plate would've ruptured anyway before anyone got around to repairing it. Given the events of 'Justice' which raise very relevant questions about the why and how and who of Rimmer, being a lackwitted thunderdunce, pulling a duty of life-threatening importance in the first place, it might be interesting to see a 'hidden story' episode that goes back to that day. Maybe Rimmer was deliberately put on the job for that reason, or maybe he even did a competent job on the drive plate and someone sabotaged his work to make sure events played out as they did. Maybe the Rimmer of this universe was originally destined to become Ace, but one of his enemies altered every significant event of his past to make sure he'd be the abject failure he is now (it would explain why his history seems to change, his first time being Yvonne McGruder one minute and some girl named Sandra the next). Or alternatively maybe he needed to be an abject failure so that by the laws of quantum probability, Ace could come into existence as his exact opposite. Of course, this would mean either that Holly had lied to them for years or that they'd had their memory tampered with, which is perhaps what caused their computer senility (yes, I'm using the impersonal pronoun).
Young lister is played by Craig Charles little brother.
Played by Emile Charles.
And the band are members of napalm death who also appeared on a tv show hosted by craig Charles
Always loved Cat catching the snow ball with one hand and then throwing it with the other... Now THAT'S a cat thing.
I always liked the detail of having three women at Kryten's birthday party who are wearing orange, just like the three skeletons on the Nova 5
We have tension sheets now, except they're now called popper squares.
It's really sad it took me watching this in 2024 to FINALLY get why Rimmer blew up at the end. I just happened to have focsed a bit more on the boxes...
I absolutely believe developing old photographs will make a comeback. We live in an age of hipsterism -- how can you doubt the distant future will have similar movements? ;)
Well, that's true XD
They have. Well predicted
i always assumed that the boxing gloves were because he touches himself at night
I had almost the same feeling. It was moderately good, but with a few minor flaws. As you said, the fact that Rimmer was left aboard Red Dwarf was kind of flawed because he didn't need to be there. Rimmer's only purpose was to keep Lister sane so Lister wouldn't feel lonely.
Here is another flaw I just thought of while typing the above paragraph:
In Parallel Universe, Lister pushed the button on the Holly Hop Drive, which sent them to the parallel universe. From that universe, Holly met his female counterpart and modeled his face after her. With Lister not there to have pushed the button on the Holly Hop Drive, Holly would not have met his female self and would therefore have not changed his face to look like hers. So in the alternate reality, Holly should have been male.
I found it to be an average episode.
Most people: Why do you say 'first' when you're the first person in a comment section?
Me: 4:38
It's the same morons who post the phrase "Who's listening to this in (insert year)?" on vids of old pop songs. And the retards who vote up their banal comment to make it the highest rated.
Fun fact the song kryten is rocking out to as he developed the photos was called bad news and was written and performed by Craig Charles and his band at the time.
Awesome, I didn't know that XD
The song (money, I think) that is played as we are introduced to 'rich' Lister was also Craig Charles' band. He jokes in the episode commentary that Grant and Naylor never paid them for its use!
Rimmer wasn't at camp. He was in boarding school.
So glad I found these!
In the remastered version. The effects team were able to add a water effect to the statue. Simulating it actually urinating.
The big flaw - of many - in the logic of the episode is the fact that Rimmer and Holly remember Lister at all once he changes the past. I was very non-critical when I was younger, but that issue stood out, even for me. Like you say though, rule of funny, logic be damned.
+Cyborcat
you forgot to mention young Lister is played by Craig Charles's younger brother
yup i was waiting for her to say it poor emile charles
You know, for the longest time - before watching those videos - I thought that RD is a slightly different serie. Sure, I know it's a sci-fi thing, but I thought that: [1] There are more characters [2] It's more serious. So, basically, I thought it's a Star Trek, only British :) So, considering all that, I'd like to say 'Thank you, Dena" for doing those vlogs :) I hope you'll have as much fun in making those, as we (the viewers) in watching them
My favourite episode of red dwarf
Fun fact about young Lister's band: they're played by extreme metal titans Carcass. Drummer Dobbin is played by Bill Steer (also played in Napalm Death) and bassist Gazza is played by Jeff Walker.
Yeah I recognized them, was about to comment the same. Weird cameo hahaha
Good lord, if rich Lister was that obnoxious, imagine rich Rimmer.
Developing picture from a magazine (is kinda possible).... i think he means duplicated... in college we did something tandamount.... you photocopy a picture (from a magazine) .. i forget the process but it involves using the copy as a negative, then creating a negative of the resulting image & using that to make a duplicate of the original but on photo paper.
But that was a long mostly manual process.... with simple digital technology, you could create the negative using a scanner & then use that to develop the image on photo paper.
This episode is another one of those it wouldn’t work scenarios. If lister never joined red dwarf and therefore kryten wasent rescued. Kryten wouldn’t be around to develop the photo for them to go back to the past and give young lister the tension sheet idea in the first place. Therefore causing a time paradox
Good point XD
Fave episode. Gotta admit, though, that you missed the opportunity to include the, brilliant, line following the frames showing the Giant Statue of Lister not quite urinating champagne in to the courtyard "Almost Swiftian in it's rapier like subtlety." Killer!
Yeah, that is a good one. Unfortunately I can't let clips run too long due to RUclips's Content ID, plus BBC is especially brutal, so sometimes even a funny line has to go.
yeah i wish they keep the lister part of the episode where he meets his father
But.... he DID meet his father. As a much younger man, even.
HA! At 9:25 Lister sticking his V's up (That's what I call it) is perfectly timed with the music
That's too funny XD
1:02 someone know the song please? :(
"how do you develop a picture from a magazine?"
Take a photo OF the magazine.
I might not be commenting on these videos, but I do enjoy your RD vlog.
My favourite episode
I think the reason young Rimmer is sleeping with boxing gloves is so he can fight off the other boys, if they decide to have a go at him while he is sleeping.
Errrr, no. It's actually a much cruder joke than that. The teachers make him sleep with boxing gloves. Now think about the things you can't do with boxing gloves on and you'll get it. 😋
@@The_Mighty_Fiction Yeah... hard to, let's just say... get a grip on one's self with boxing gloves on!
Om is one of the greatest bad songs ever made
I'm guessing the writers must have just watched 'Back to the Future part II' when they dreamed up the plot for this episode.
I don't think that's possible, as this episode was filmed before Back to the Future II was released.
TvTropes actually thought of a little fridge brilliance: in Statis Leak, Rimmer went to his past self and told him about the statis leak and then past Rimmer freaked out, but if kid Rimmer had seen hologram Rimmer once beforehand, it changes things around a little and this time he actually listens and manages to get in a statis pod or find the leak before the drive plate incident and lives.
Love your work, Cyborcat. The nocturnal boxing gloves make a callback via his utopian bedroom in "Legion". There are all kinds of transitional objects, I suppose!
The teachers make him wear them so he can't fiddle with himself under the covers.
Also wouldn't the Red Dwarf have not had the engine issue that started this whole series if Rimmer had a different assistant? Then the lives of the entire crew would of been saved and the actions that created the cat race would of never occurred. So it wouldn't be like he was killing them all, just that they never would of happened anyway.
I think the boxing gloves were for defense, in case any of the boys tried to beat him up while he was asleep.
Manganese Hawk's comment explains it.
they were to stop him from touching himself
Are you suggesting Rimmer's parents cared about his well-being?
An ending stinger is a great idea.
Is that Ruby Wax?
Probably in a comment below but rimmers wearing boxing gloves to prevent him from touching himself.
I think the reason why Rimmer was still a hologram was because although Lister still went down the "Red Tension Sheet Millionaire" path, Rimmer still had to join the Space Corp and be a member of Red Dwarf, and probably thus being a hologram, just with no Lister around. His usual character's path. That is my theory on it at least. *shrugs*
Of course Rimmer would have still been on Red Dwarf while he was alive. But the whole reason for Holly bringing Rimmer back as a hologram was to keep Lister company.
Wonder where listers mansion was filmed.
It would have been interesting if they'd kept Rimmer alive - since they wouldn't have needed to work around the fact he can't touch anything (I know they do in Series 6 but that's a few Series hence).
The boxing gloves are so he can't suck his thumbs
Wouldn't Rimmer cease to exist if Lister altered the timeline.
He was revived as a Hologram to keep Lister Sane.
I have to disagree with some of the conclusions, here.
There's an obvious difference between a race being "wiped out" and never having existed.
If you never existed, you'd never know it.
Also, you can't technically "steal" an idea that hasn't been invented yet.
In fact, it seems like the whole thing was a time loop with Rimmer giving the idea to the original creator in the first place. We have to asume that if Rimmer hadn't been there the idea would never have been devoloped.
Dobbin was a what and what did he end up doing ?
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Special Guest Star : Adolf Hitler as Himself !
How many fellow Carcass fan's have looked this up?
Isn't it funny how young Lister, the insufferable hipster claiming everything is crypto fascist because it's trendy...IS ACTUALLY A THING NOW
darthkahn45: It was back then as well. That's what they were parodying. Watch The Young Ones for another example of taking the piss out of people like that. Every generation has people like that. Even the sixties had the hippies, which were more like the pretentious dicks of today than people seem to remember. The 'anarchist' crowd were huge in the 80s and were practically identical to the 'SJWs' of today.