I loved this video, I've been to Andorra before and had no idea why it became its own country. Thanks for the information, I would like to see you explain why Luxembourg is a country!
EmperorTigerstar I wouldn't mind Lichtenstein. Doesn't it consider itself the last part of the Holy Roman Empire? I know it's the last state with direct ties to the Holy Roman empire. As Germany had Prussia before it and Austria had only parts in it and ruled it.
Aragon is my absolute favorite start in CK2. Lots of opportunities of intrigue, lands to conquer without repercussions, a great relationship with the Pope, and it is damned hard to boot (I love the challenge). I remember my first attempt with this start, rolling Sancho Ramirez of Aragon, and then conquering Zaragoza, moving my capital there, marrying to claim Barcelona and eventually getting Navarre, and finally unifying Spain by marrying into Castile. Then I hopped onto wikipedia because I knew absolutely nothing about Spanish history and was curious about the real Sancho Ramirez, only to find out that my playthrough of CK2 somehow almost EXACTLY mirrored what actually happened in real life. Like, the dates lined up closely on the major points of expansion, the same marriages happened, moving my capital to Zaragoza - EVERYTHING. Gave me the shivers, and makes you think that maybe those "simulation hypothesis" lunatics are onto something.
I lived in northeastern Spain as a kid and I remembered my parents driving through Andorra to pick up consumer electronics, I guess because they were cheaper or no tax. Sometimes it was on our way to France and other times it was the final destination. I also remember skiing in the Pyrenees mountains.
Fun fact : a french department (roughly similar in size as english counties) has an enclave of another french department, despite most having been drawn during the French Revolution. The cause is, here too, some feudal shenanigans
I was just about to say the same time. Similarly, the dialect of Castillian Spanish spoken in an around Barcelona, if I remember correctly, is a seseo dialect, so the would still be pronounced /s/. Now, if you listen to people in Madrid.. ;P Similarly, since Andorra's official language is Catalan, then "Urgell" is "supposed" to be pronounced /urˈʒeʎ/, with a "zh" sound for the , not a "hand 'g'", and a palatal lateral instead of plain old /l/ :P
Marc Telfer You are right but Catalan is not a dialect of Spanish, while the later is an iberoromance language, Catalan is a Francoromance, closely related to the Occitan.
"And yes, this is how Barcelona is actually pronounced" You're both right and wrong. It's pretty much BarTHelona in European Spanish. But in Catalan, the local language of Barcelona, it's pronounced it more like English speakers do. Also, it wasn't exactly like Aragon's king inherited Barcelona. The count of Barcelona was married with the princess of Aragon (when she was a toddler, which is a pretty interesting story on it's own). So the count of Barcelona became the King of Aragon, uniting both regions politically. Greetings from Catalonia, it's nice that you talk about our little tax haven neighbor
Thank you! This. This comment. The locals, meaning people from Barcelona speaking Catalan pronounce it with an s sound. I stopped watching this video after the smug “yes, that’s how you pronounce it” comment. Gtfo.
hello guys i'm catalan and in catalan Barcelona is pronunced with a "s" sound. (cause i'm catalan and the spanish like to renameour names i got really upset when he said that Barcelona was pronunced correctly in the spanish way)
The king of aragon did inherited Barcelona, the Count of Barcelona became an hereditary title of the crown, the entire iberian peninsula did a poor job of integrsting territories which explains why its so divided even to this day, aragon was its separsted kingdom, valencia, mallorca, then the county of barcelona also had its own law and so on with the crown of castille doing the same thing with the kingdoms that were part of it, a massive lack of unity and centralization that led to the downfall of the spanish empire
Jan Soler Arrufat doncs si realment ho vols pronunciar bé, no t’oblidis que la “a” i la “e” àtones es neutralitzen en æ, com ara pare, mare, germà.. que tindrian una pronúncia com paræ, maræ, gærmà... si ho fas, fes-ho bé😊 Seria “Barsælona”
Al-Jumaeyli Al-Qaysi Al-Dawseri الدوسر Well, I guess that because it would be kinda illegal and stupid to send forcefully millions of people to a tiny valley in the Pyrenees. Specially considering Catalonia is one of the main economic powerhouses in the country.
Al-Jumaeyli Al-Qaysi Al-Dawseri الدوسر i don't understand your logic. It's land where catalans live for hundreds of years. How you can just "move them out" of their land? It's like saying move Italians out of Italian peninsula.
Littlewooperband because it would be too small to click and would waste calculating effort, probably same reason as to why Vatican city and the free city of Danzig aren't in
Quator: First off, it should be noted that scope, UX, etc are _not_ technical issues by any stretch of imagination. Second, it should be noted that the priorities of a modder and those of a game developer _are almost nothing alike._ Every hour spent on a mod is an hour spent on a hobby; every hour spent on the actual game is an hour of salary, utilities, and other miscellaneous expenses, and hence needs to not only add more than it takes away _but also adds enough to the game to justify spending resources on it rather than anything else they could be spent on._ Do you spend, say, 20 man-hours coding in borders and whatnot for Andorra and 50 making all the assets required (both of which, incidentally, require _much_ higher quality standards than expected of a mod), or would those 70 man-hours be better spent on hunting for bugs and refining existing assets (or even adding other features more within the game's scope)? And that's assuming you left out the various intricacies added by the unusual political situation of Andorra, the Vatican, and most other nations on that scale, which would add far, far more man-hours of work than just adding another generic province and nation. Let me also explain the two examples of potential issues I specifically brought up (which are also the first two I thought of): Scope is, basically, what the game is expected to do. In the case of HOI4, the scope is _not_ to simulate _every_ polity in the world during WW2, but just to provide an approximate simulation of reality which is also engaging to play. Adding features beyond the intended scope of the game might seem like it's a net gain, but aside from the potential for design clutter to drag down the whole game, it's just not an efficient use of resources. Figure out what you want to do and do it as well as you can, don't tack on loads of extraneous bits. How about UX? It stands for User Experience, which is a vague umbrella term for everything from the interface to the gameplay loops to individual challenges. To narrow it down, I'd like to ask you something: How engaging is the process of conquering Lichenstein in the base game? It's glorified busywork for anyone trying to conquer Europe. Declare war, tweak the lines, and treat it as basically another province of the Low Countries. Imagine that, but worse, and also so weak as to not even be a remotely fun "Survive as X" challenge. Arguably, Lichenstein is on the wrong side of that barrier, but that's fine; having a nigh-impossible survival challenge isn't that big of a problem. Besides, Lichenstein is about the size of a HOI4 province. That isn't true for Andorra, nor the other four countries which Better States includes. Besides, how much is having half a dozen nigh-impossible survival challenges worth? Let's not forget that the actual game devs need to worry about performance and the like. Every minination is another AI making decisions, another array of every technology researched and effect accumulated, another cog which could contribute to forming an edge case.
Timothy McLean I agree with what you said until you said "treat Liechtenstein as just another province of the low countries" you do know the Low countries (or Be(lgium)Ne(therlands)Lux(embourg)) is quite a bit away from Liechtenstein? The countries which surround Liechtenstein are in no way low countries
It's also incorrect. Barcelona is in Catalonia, and they speak Catalan there. In contrary to Castillian Spanish, the 'c' and 's' are not lisped, ever. Furthermore, I have read that the Spanish dialect that is spoken in and around Barcelona doesn't do this either, as most Catalonians speak Spanish too as a second language, but use their own dialect.
Your pronunciation of Barcelona is common in central Spain but not in the region of Catalonia where Barcelona is. Also in English it's pronounced with the "SE" not "TH."
He wanted to be correct, and he failed. I don't think 'smart' enters into it, but please continue to make me reconsider my support for Catalan independence.
You support or rejection of a political movement depends on the coment section on a youtube video that's not even talking about that subject, as interesting as it is stupid. Visca catalunya liure xd
Oh c'mon, I'm sure you could tell that was hyperbole. It was even placed in the "punchline" part of the sentence. For a bit of seriousness, though, you're really underselling the importance of actually interacting with people. You can learn a lot and gain a lot of insight from something as seemingly vacuous as a RUclips comment. It's all still communication, even if most of us - myself included - don't really take it seriously most of the time.
Simply excellent with an easy listen cadence, further comprehensively answering many of my questions 👍 Thank you for your pleasant insight, well done !
6:23 Putain guys, Franco might annex Andorra! What should we do? Hey I've got a great idea! What if we occupy Andorra so Franco can't annex it? *Everyone stares at general baguette* Yeah thats a great idea!! *Everyone aplauses*
"Darn it, feudalism! Quit making my brain hurt!" is the best thing anyone has ever said about feudalism ever. Andorra's still not even simple after that. Andorra has no say at all in the election of the President of France, while people living in areas like French Guiana and Mayotte do have a say in who might become President because, as French citizens, they have the right to vote on the matter. This means that one of Andorra's co-princes is elected completely by a foreign population, some of who live in South America, Polynesia, Africa, etc. Because France :P
Marc Telfer How to explain most of the strange things in the world: "Because France". Why does the EU have 3 capitals that switch each 3 months? Because France. Why does Andorra exist? Because France. Why does Aosta have almost the same power as a state but is inside the not-federal Italian republic? Because France.
The Co-princes have no real power in Andorra, they just have the name, but they cannot make laws or anything. Just andorran people can choose their “Cap de Govern” (president)
This is very cool. I'm currently working on a few nation ideas for my current world and it totally makes sense for smaller places to get left alone due to politics and things.
zealand was founded by a guy who sailed from the uk to an abandoned sea fort an declared independence from the uk an formed the independent nation of zealand
Tyler Aschen It’s coming back though. Young educated people are starting to use it more as the education system places great emphasis on learning Catalan. However you are right, at the moment it is spoken by about 50-60% of Catalonian residents whereas Castilian is spoken by 98%... i suspect it’s mostly old people who grew up not being allowed to learn Catalan + migrants from other Spanish regions who never learnt it
As someone from Barcelona: It is, indeed, pronounced in the "English way", with an 's' sound instead of an Spanish 'c' sound (as it is Catalan, and we don't have that 'c' sound). Therefore, the correct form to pronounce would be something in between, something like: "Barsælona"
Barthelona would be the spanish pronunciation, Barselona is, in my opinion, more accurate since its similar to the cathalan (native language of Barcelona) way.
I liked how you used the Spanish ( or I should say Castillian) pronunciation for Barcelona. Some people don't get that Spanish is, like Catalan, a native language of Barcelona (and all Catalonia) and that everyone is bilingual. Those who maintain that Catalan is the only native language of Catalonia are just trying to sell some snake oil, because in that region of Spain both languages developed simultaneously and side by side. As a matter of fact, Castillian became the wider lingua franca which eventually grew to dominate the entire peninsula. As for Andorra, it's interesting how they too are perfectly bilingual in Catalan and Spanish, and often times they also speak French. But the official language there is definitely Catalan, although you would never know it because everyone is usually speaking in Spanish especially when you're a tourist. Great video!
castillian evolved in the leon region in the north of spain. Catalan evolved in the north of catalonia. The fact that people speeck both dosn't mean that it had evolved there.
Roby mccferry - You miss the point, which is that both Castilian and Catalan are native languages of today's Catalonia. In other words, Castilian was not an intruder, nor was there ever a time when Catalan was the sole language of Catalonia.
I love that you pronounce Barcelona with the very modern (rather niche) pronunciation currently used in Spain, but you pronounce Urgell as Urguel, a way it wouldn't be pronounced in Catalan, French, or Spanish.
1:33 well, technically (I'm sorry) that's the way Spaniards pronounce it in most regions north of Andalusia (you know, the part with Granada and Malaga all the way in the south). The local Catalan community however, pronounces it differently depending on the dialect; there are two main dialects of Catalan (if you don't count Valencian in the south) and the variety spoken in and around Barcelona pronounces every single vowel as a schwa except for the o, because that syllable is emphasized and does not have that sort of 'lisp' that characterises so many Castilian dialects as well as the standard European Spanish vernacular. This results in the following IPA transcription: [bəɾsəˈlonə]
In catalan we pronounce it /bəɾsəlonə/ which is how it should be pronounced and the crown of Aragon was formed when the count of Barcelona Ramon Berenguer IV married the daughter of the king of Aragon their son became ruler of both
In the end, it boiled down to centuries of luck. There were thousands of other counties, duchies, and princedoms that did get gobbled up, regardless of whether they were within a country or on the border - as you note with Navarre - through marriages, inheritances and other political happenstances.
GeraltOfRivia I thought an alien ship crashed when it was heading to berlin by the border of Austria-Hungary and Germany in April 1889, and Adolf fell out.
Interesting and informative. But is suggest you slow down the pace a little. A lot of information that needs to be processed, no needs to rush your speech. You could easily stretch it out to 10 min. But all in all a great video!
Actually the way that Americans say Barcelona with their accent is the correct way, because Barcelona is a name in Catalan and it isn't Spanish, and the vowel of C in Spanish doesn't exist for the same C in Catalan.
It's also super capitalist. I live fifteen minutes from the border with Andorra. They have very few labour laws, you're not allowed to form worker's unions and you're not allowed to protest.
Well, according to Wikipedia, the French head of state's title as prince was passed to *groan* Philippe Pétain. The collaborationist stooge that headed Vichy France AKA the French State. Since the French State was technically independent, if mostly under occupation, Petain was the leader of France and thus Co-Prince of Andorra (until the establishment of the Provisional Government in 1944, which is the point at which Wikipedia switches it so that De Gaulle is the Co-Prince). Makes sense that Vichy France, all though not acknowledged by France as a legitimate regime, would be used by Andorra. Even if it was a German puppet half occupied by the Germans until it was fully occupied. It was either that government, or Free France's government in exile. And it's probably better to not anger the Nazis right next to you. You know, unless the true Frenchmen happen to come back, kick out the Nazis, and establish a Provisional Government over metropolitan France in opposition to the Vichy regime that's now in exile ;)
I Love Andorra. Cheap, Friendly and Great Snowboarding in the winter. The Underground Bar in Pas de la Casa has my inflatable Spiderman Behind the Bar!!! (we got free drinks all night for donating that!!!).
I half expected the video to begin with "because I said so," and then cut to credits and a black screen for seven minutes. Informative video though! Nicely done!
1:34 Nope, that's how Barcelona is supposed to be pronounced in Spanish. In Catalan the sound "th" doesn't exist, in catalan we pronounce it like "Barsalona" and in spanish "Barthelona"
Say Barcelona the proper way which happens to be the same in Catalan as English cause this really hurt to listen to. Everything else was great but I cringed way more than necessary x.x
No, it's Barcelona with an S sound. Catalan is the native language of the region. And we speak English. C never sounds like TH in our language. Come on, bro.
great video, i can't wait for you video on Liechtenstein (their history is less complicated and their modern day independence is some extend, if not mostly, a result of Austria and Prussia going to war
He thinks hes so clever for pronouncing barcelona how spanish say it we know dude, but you dont have to in english like how you dont have to say france the french way
Plus the area's native language is Catalan, not Spanish (though many in Barcelona do speak Spanish, people vary rarely do in cities like Girona or Vic). As such, it's said more like it is in English, 'barselonae', not 'barthelona' as it is in Castillan Spanish.
I was blessed enough to visit Andorra 3 years ago, and although quirky there's not much there at all lmao. Great way to have your family turn on you as they have to drive 8 hours through the Pyrenees!
I had to stop the video at 1:00 to write this down, ouch. May I point out that, in either Spanish and Catalan, the "g" on Urgell sounds like the g on Germany. It should be written Urguell in order to be pronounced as you did, as in Guernica the famous painting by Picasso. Anyway you have my like, your videos are amazing, and now I will finish watching this one ;)
The plural of "diocese" is "dioceseS", pronounced "DI-o-siss" and "DI-o-sees-es". Which is a nice way to enter into the subject of your pretentious arrogance regarding Barcelona. That isn't the "correct" way to say it, that's the way *some* people in Spain say it. Catalan speakers (most of the population of the city) do not say it that way, nor do southern Castellano speakers. This is irrelevant anyway, because the pronunciation in English is what counts as that is the language in which you're speaking throughout this video.
I liked how you tried to put this video together, the information is very interessting and puit together well. I do have to be honest tho (as a long time fan) that the jokes you mostly make don't stake with me, they distract me from the video and I personally can't really laugh at them. You make good quality videos so I don't wanna com[plain (honestly) But I feel like if you are gonna make those kinds of jokes, flesh them out more and I will look forward to the next Video. Maybe San Marino? Liechtenstein? would love to see a video about them.
_"Darn it feudalism, quit making my brain hurt"_
The truest quote I have seen in a while.
4:26
Emigdiosback At least not from 1300 ahead.
:D
@@Emigdiosback nor a nation
@@Emigdiosback conglomerate is probable more accurate
Edit: Before you comment, I already know Barthelona is Spanish not Castillan. Also a thousand comments beat you to it.
I loved this video, I've been to Andorra before and had no idea why it became its own country. Thanks for the information, I would like to see you explain why Luxembourg is a country!
EmperorTigerstar do a video on nauru
Median shut up!
EmperorTigerstar I wouldn't mind Lichtenstein. Doesn't it consider itself the last part of the Holy Roman Empire? I know it's the last state with direct ties to the Holy Roman empire. As Germany had Prussia before it and Austria had only parts in it and ruled it.
EmperorTigerstar plz do Luxembourg
Why does Drew Durnil exist next please
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He's a paint brush
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16263636 27636373 he is daddy
Great job! I think you should do this again about San Marino and Monaco.
Croatian Mapper and Liechtenstein
HRVATSKA
Well, he made an episode on San Marino
Yes! Please make this a small series.
Croatian Mapper
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Aragon is my absolute favorite start in CK2. Lots of opportunities of intrigue, lands to conquer without repercussions, a great relationship with the Pope, and it is damned hard to boot (I love the challenge). I remember my first attempt with this start, rolling Sancho Ramirez of Aragon, and then conquering Zaragoza, moving my capital there, marrying to claim Barcelona and eventually getting Navarre, and finally unifying Spain by marrying into Castile. Then I hopped onto wikipedia because I knew absolutely nothing about Spanish history and was curious about the real Sancho Ramirez, only to find out that my playthrough of CK2 somehow almost EXACTLY mirrored what actually happened in real life. Like, the dates lined up closely on the major points of expansion, the same marriages happened, moving my capital to Zaragoza - EVERYTHING. Gave me the shivers, and makes you think that maybe those "simulation hypothesis" lunatics are onto something.
Damn, thats more complicated than an Appalachian Hillbilly’s family tree.
Stargazer Jim
Or the Hapsburgs.
Stargazer Jim that’s a stereotype, in reality the people living in Appalachia are poor, hard working people Just trying to make a living.
to the place...i belong...
Ike Okereke Aren't the Habsburgs just Alpine hillbillies with power?
As an Appalachian myself, I can confirm.
I lived in northeastern Spain as a kid and I remembered my parents driving through Andorra to pick up consumer electronics, I guess because they were cheaper or no tax. Sometimes it was on our way to France and other times it was the final destination. I also remember skiing in the Pyrenees mountains.
Northeastern Spain? As in Aragon or Catalonia?
@@holdenennis We lived in Catalonia, near Tarragona. But we went thru Aragon and many other regions.
Fun fact : a french department (roughly similar in size as english counties) has an enclave of another french department, despite most having been drawn during the French Revolution. The cause is, here too, some feudal shenanigans
1.33 It is if you are speaking in Castillian (Spanish). In Catalan it's pronoce more or less in the same way than in English
I was just about to say the same time. Similarly, the dialect of Castillian Spanish spoken in an around Barcelona, if I remember correctly, is a seseo dialect, so the would still be pronounced /s/. Now, if you listen to people in Madrid.. ;P
Similarly, since Andorra's official language is Catalan, then "Urgell" is "supposed" to be pronounced /urˈʒeʎ/, with a "zh" sound for the , not a "hand 'g'", and a palatal lateral instead of plain old /l/ :P
Marc Telfer You are right but Catalan is not a dialect of Spanish, while the later is an iberoromance language, Catalan is a Francoromance, closely related to the Occitan.
Maedhros I didn't say Catalan was a dialect of Spanish...
Marc Telfer My bad then
Maedhros s'alright. I read it over a couple of times afterwards and I think I can spot somewhere that was a tad ambiguous :P
**Sees the colours** "finally something about romania **1milisecond later** "oh no"
I hoped it was about Chad
I thought this video was about Moldova
@@joutakujo9773 me too
Salut
Barcelona
5seconds later says barthelona
5 seconds later says Barcelona
5 seconds later says barthelona
You get the point
WHY?!
jejeje
Insecurity on his part
actually the r is pronunced like rr
pretty much the nerd wallet commercial.
Luis Aldamiz it is a rr it’s more Spanish pronunciation than Germanic
"And yes, this is how Barcelona is actually pronounced" You're both right and wrong. It's pretty much BarTHelona in European Spanish. But in Catalan, the local language of Barcelona, it's pronounced it more like English speakers do. Also, it wasn't exactly like Aragon's king inherited Barcelona. The count of Barcelona was married with the princess of Aragon (when she was a toddler, which is a pretty interesting story on it's own). So the count of Barcelona became the King of Aragon, uniting both regions politically. Greetings from Catalonia, it's nice that you talk about our little tax haven neighbor
joaohumbg Not most. Just some in the South
Thank you! This. This comment. The locals, meaning people from Barcelona speaking Catalan pronounce it with an s sound. I stopped watching this video after the smug “yes, that’s how you pronounce it” comment. Gtfo.
hello guys i'm catalan and in catalan Barcelona is pronunced with a "s" sound. (cause i'm catalan and the spanish like to renameour names i got really upset when he said that Barcelona was pronunced correctly in the spanish way)
The king of aragon did inherited Barcelona, the Count of Barcelona became an hereditary title of the crown, the entire iberian peninsula did a poor job of integrsting territories which explains why its so divided even to this day, aragon was its separsted kingdom, valencia, mallorca, then the county of barcelona also had its own law and so on with the crown of castille doing the same thing with the kingdoms that were part of it, a massive lack of unity and centralization that led to the downfall of the spanish empire
Jan Soler Arrufat doncs si realment ho vols pronunciar bé, no t’oblidis que la “a” i la “e” àtones es neutralitzen en æ, com ara pare, mare, germà.. que tindrian una pronúncia com paræ, maræ, gærmà... si ho fas, fes-ho bé😊 Seria “Barsælona”
Inb4 "belgium shouldn't exist" comments
u god damn right
belgium shouldn't exist
Belgium is best country. And I love your profile picture.
True
they're not wrong tho
My Geography teacher argued with me that the President of France isn't Prince of Andorra. (facepalm)
Well, it seems not even Sarkozy was initially aware of that when he was President, so...
Ayyyyyy epic fail.
propably
Jonathan Williams I don't know but it would have been hilarious if so
I fucking wish that's how it went down.
OK so just found out Andorra is mostly Catalan. Cool.
Yeah. In fact, it's the only sovereign country where Catalan is the official language
I'm pretty sure its because thats illegal.
Al-Jumaeyli Al-Qaysi Al-Dawseri الدوسر Well, I guess that because it would be kinda illegal and stupid to send forcefully millions of people to a tiny valley in the Pyrenees. Specially considering Catalonia is one of the main economic powerhouses in the country.
Al-Jumaeyli Al-Qaysi Al-Dawseri الدوسر i don't understand your logic. It's land where catalans live for hundreds of years. How you can just "move them out" of their land?
It's like saying move Italians out of Italian peninsula.
Al-Jumaeyli Al-Qaysi Al-Dawseri الدوسر You must be a troll account. Way too obvious when you said Hispaniola
To make it the only country in Europe which begins with A
*Albainia*
There is truly no reason.
And Andorra & Austria
*Albania
Andorra is what I am talking about as its in the title
In Spain (my Country) Germany is called Alemania
Mariano Sanchez
In arabic too
Why is Andorra not in Hoi?
Littlewooperband because it would be too small to click and would waste calculating effort, probably same reason as to why Vatican city and the free city of Danzig aren't in
Ah, yes, it's laziness rather than concern for scope, UX, or anything like that.
Making history put them in their game and their a smaller studio with an older engine.
Quator: First off, it should be noted that scope, UX, etc are _not_ technical issues by any stretch of imagination. Second, it should be noted that the priorities of a modder and those of a game developer _are almost nothing alike._ Every hour spent on a mod is an hour spent on a hobby; every hour spent on the actual game is an hour of salary, utilities, and other miscellaneous expenses, and hence needs to not only add more than it takes away _but also adds enough to the game to justify spending resources on it rather than anything else they could be spent on._ Do you spend, say, 20 man-hours coding in borders and whatnot for Andorra and 50 making all the assets required (both of which, incidentally, require _much_ higher quality standards than expected of a mod), or would those 70 man-hours be better spent on hunting for bugs and refining existing assets (or even adding other features more within the game's scope)? And that's assuming you left out the various intricacies added by the unusual political situation of Andorra, the Vatican, and most other nations on that scale, which would add far, far more man-hours of work than just adding another generic province and nation.
Let me also explain the two examples of potential issues I specifically brought up (which are also the first two I thought of):
Scope is, basically, what the game is expected to do. In the case of HOI4, the scope is _not_ to simulate _every_ polity in the world during WW2, but just to provide an approximate simulation of reality which is also engaging to play. Adding features beyond the intended scope of the game might seem like it's a net gain, but aside from the potential for design clutter to drag down the whole game, it's just not an efficient use of resources. Figure out what you want to do and do it as well as you can, don't tack on loads of extraneous bits.
How about UX? It stands for User Experience, which is a vague umbrella term for everything from the interface to the gameplay loops to individual challenges. To narrow it down, I'd like to ask you something: How engaging is the process of conquering Lichenstein in the base game? It's glorified busywork for anyone trying to conquer Europe. Declare war, tweak the lines, and treat it as basically another province of the Low Countries. Imagine that, but worse, and also so weak as to not even be a remotely fun "Survive as X" challenge. Arguably, Lichenstein is on the wrong side of that barrier, but that's fine; having a nigh-impossible survival challenge isn't that big of a problem. Besides, Lichenstein is about the size of a HOI4 province. That isn't true for Andorra, nor the other four countries which Better States includes. Besides, how much is having half a dozen nigh-impossible survival challenges worth?
Let's not forget that the actual game devs need to worry about performance and the like. Every minination is another AI making decisions, another array of every technology researched and effect accumulated, another cog which could contribute to forming an edge case.
Timothy McLean I agree with what you said until you said "treat Liechtenstein as just another province of the low countries" you do know the Low countries (or Be(lgium)Ne(therlands)Lux(embourg)) is quite a bit away from Liechtenstein? The countries which surround Liechtenstein are in no way low countries
Everytime you say "Barthelona" I can't help but chuckle. It just sounds funny.
It's also incorrect. Barcelona is in Catalonia, and they speak Catalan there. In contrary to Castillian Spanish, the 'c' and 's' are not lisped, ever. Furthermore, I have read that the Spanish dialect that is spoken in and around Barcelona doesn't do this either, as most Catalonians speak Spanish too as a second language, but use their own dialect.
М.Б. really? Like BarTHelona? Not once have I ever heard that.
М.Б. oh I see. So with the (in)famous lisp then?
М.Б. [baɾθe'lona] if you know some IPA. If not, a lisp is like the 'th' sound in "there" or "that", or, like he pronounces it: "BarTHelona.
М.Б. don't worry, Latin America also does that for no particular reason.
Your pronunciation of Barcelona is common in central Spain but not in the region of Catalonia where Barcelona is. Also in English it's pronounced with the "SE" not "TH."
Not even in Andalucía or some other parts of Spain
BangtanBoys LOL
He wanted to be correct, and he failed. I don't think 'smart' enters into it, but please continue to make me reconsider my support for Catalan independence.
You support or rejection of a political movement depends on the coment section on a youtube video that's not even talking about that subject, as interesting as it is stupid.
Visca catalunya liure xd
Oh c'mon, I'm sure you could tell that was hyperbole. It was even placed in the "punchline" part of the sentence. For a bit of seriousness, though, you're really underselling the importance of actually interacting with people. You can learn a lot and gain a lot of insight from something as seemingly vacuous as a RUclips comment. It's all still communication, even if most of us - myself included - don't really take it seriously most of the time.
*You’d just love Crusader Kings 2*
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Errr I think in Catalan, the native language of Barcelona, it’s pronounced with a soft c as in English
MalaksMessage but not in Spanish. If you wanna pronounce it in catalan, it’d be: “Barsælona” with the neutralization of the vowel e in æ
Spanish is just as much native to Barcelona as Catalan!
@@OpinionesDeJACCsOpinions no it isnt, catalan is the native language, spanish/castillian was adopted but its not native to the region
This is why I love this channel. It's fascinating, it's educational, it's simple, and it doesn't need any stupid gimmicks to function!
Bruh I've always wondered about this. I feel like i learned once why it exists, but I've since forgotten lol.
Thank you so much for this video!
2:30 Missed a chance to throw in an Aragorn joke as well.
I liked this video. Have you thought about doing a mini state series? For states like San Marino and Lichtenstein?
Simply excellent with an easy listen cadence, further comprehensively answering many of my questions 👍
Thank you for your pleasant insight, well done !
6:23
Putain guys, Franco might annex Andorra! What should we do?
Hey I've got a great idea! What if we occupy Andorra so Franco can't annex it?
*Everyone stares at general baguette*
Yeah thats a great idea!!
*Everyone aplauses*
Milictism
Franco is dead ,news travels slow in some areas..:)
@@dariomartinez459 whot
@@hollawar1391 my question exactly, what the heck are you talking about? Maybe English is not your language but what you wrote makes no sense.
He was joking, Dario. It was a joke.
"Darn it, feudalism! Quit making my brain hurt!" is the best thing anyone has ever said about feudalism ever.
Andorra's still not even simple after that. Andorra has no say at all in the election of the President of France, while people living in areas like French Guiana and Mayotte do have a say in who might become President because, as French citizens, they have the right to vote on the matter. This means that one of Andorra's co-princes is elected completely by a foreign population, some of who live in South America, Polynesia, Africa, etc. Because France :P
Marc Telfer How to explain most of the strange things in the world: "Because France".
Why does the EU have 3 capitals that switch each 3 months? Because France.
Why does Andorra exist? Because France.
Why does Aosta have almost the same power as a state but is inside the not-federal Italian republic? Because France.
The Co-princes have no real power in Andorra, they just have the name, but they cannot make laws or anything. Just andorran people can choose their “Cap de Govern” (president)
Marc Telfer Can they vote in spanish elections?????
Miguelp25 No, we cannot vote in Spain ‘cause is not our country
The Andorran Co-Princes have as much power as her majesty Elizabeth II has over the British Parliament.
How did San Marino survive?
Coop Dawg Simple. They are Italy private Switzerland. All the powerful and rich Italians have their money stored in San Marino's banks
Coop Dawg they elected a communist government
A combination of allying themselves with the right people, having a good national creation myth and a lot of luck.
The Woolly Eel More than luck a lot of banks.
Coop Dawg cause luck and it's a fortified castle basically if I remember correctly
Thank you for answering a question that I have always had.
That Aragon joke lol. Might be better with LotR's Aragorn :v
Andorra is so powerful that not even Chuck Norris cant stop it.
Patriot Joelephic You’ve got balls pulling off a double negative, kid
Liechtenstein 🇱🇮 should be next
🇷🇺
Theyre the only country to go to war and return with more men xD
This is very cool. I'm currently working on a few nation ideas for my current world and it totally makes sense for smaller places to get left alone due to politics and things.
And Why Does Sealand Exist??
Your comment is a sin
Sea Land exist because the British Government has forgotten to whip that stain of the face to the earth.
We must begin the Sealand World Conquest
zealand was founded by a guy who sailed from the uk to an abandoned sea fort an declared independence from the uk an formed the independent nation of zealand
Well at least it doesn't involve any goddamn feudalism.
I watch this litrally minutes after re-watching Arin Hanson's Andorra search.
Mike Fluff lol that was a sad episode 😁
Mike Fluff THERE’S SO MANY PLACES THAT AREN’T ANDORRA
Barcelona is pronounced with an s sound in Catalan, the native language there.
> the native language there.
*But not the most commonly used one...*
Tyler Aschen
It’s coming back though. Young educated people are starting to use it more as the education system places great emphasis on learning Catalan. However you are right, at the moment it is spoken by about 50-60% of Catalonian residents whereas Castilian is spoken by 98%... i suspect it’s mostly old people who grew up not being allowed to learn Catalan + migrants from other Spanish regions who never learnt it
As someone from Barcelona:
It is, indeed, pronounced in the "English way", with an 's' sound instead of an Spanish 'c' sound (as it is Catalan, and we don't have that 'c' sound). Therefore, the correct form to pronounce would be something in between, something like: "Barsælona"
I was just playing as Andorra in my game the fbi is taking things to far
EmperorTigerStar: Why does Andorra exist?
Andorra: What did I ever do to you...?
"Andorra is a principality between France and Spain" - The Cloak
Andorra is so small I can recognice the places I went on vacation from every photo of the city.
lol love how you say "this is how you pronounce Barcelona" while pronouncing it wrong
I had an Andorra when I was a kid. She was my grandmother's sister as I remember.
As a catalan, your pronunctiation on "Urgell" is upsetting
Lord Verus I know
And everytime he says "BarTHelona"... god it's horrible
Jaja estava pensant el mateix
It doesn't upset me that much because I know it's dificult for an English native. Saying Barcelona with a lisp fucking killed me though.
Àlex Ros Roger *triggered*
sounds like ending feudalism was like opening Andorra's box
Barthelona would be the spanish pronunciation, Barselona is, in my opinion, more accurate since its similar to the cathalan (native language of Barcelona) way.
@Ay'mann Skalli its pronounced barsalona
Very good video as usual, EmperorTigerstar. Keep up the good work, man!
I liked how you used the Spanish ( or I should say Castillian) pronunciation for Barcelona. Some people don't get that Spanish is, like Catalan, a native language of Barcelona (and all Catalonia) and that everyone is bilingual. Those who maintain that Catalan is the only native language of Catalonia are just trying to sell some snake oil, because in that region of Spain both languages developed simultaneously and side by side. As a matter of fact, Castillian became the wider lingua franca which eventually grew to dominate the entire peninsula. As for Andorra, it's interesting how they too are perfectly bilingual in Catalan and Spanish, and often times they also speak French. But the official language there is definitely Catalan, although you would never know it because everyone is usually speaking in Spanish especially when you're a tourist. Great video!
castillian evolved in the leon region in the north of spain. Catalan evolved in the north of catalonia. The fact that people speeck both dosn't mean that it had evolved there.
Roby mccferry - You miss the point, which is that both Castilian and Catalan are native languages of today's Catalonia. In other words, Castilian was not an intruder, nor was there ever a time when Catalan was the sole language of Catalonia.
Rick Wyk yes it was, they are related
I love that you pronounce Barcelona with the very modern (rather niche) pronunciation currently used in Spain, but you pronounce Urgell as Urguel, a way it wouldn't be pronounced in Catalan, French, or Spanish.
Nice video 👍😎
_“How do magnets works? THEY JUST DO!”_ - The Colonel
This is also my understanding when it comes to small nations.
1:33 well, technically (I'm sorry) that's the way Spaniards pronounce it in most regions north of Andalusia (you know, the part with Granada and Malaga all the way in the south). The local Catalan community however, pronounces it differently depending on the dialect; there are two main dialects of Catalan (if you don't count Valencian in the south) and the variety spoken in and around Barcelona pronounces every single vowel as a schwa except for the o, because that syllable is emphasized and does not have that sort of 'lisp' that characterises so many Castilian dialects as well as the standard European Spanish vernacular. This results in the following IPA transcription: [bəɾsəˈlonə]
I have always wondered since the first time I saw it on a map. Thank you for the explanation Tigerstar.
In catalan we pronounce it /bəɾsəlonə/ which is how it should be pronounced and the crown of Aragon was formed when the count of Barcelona Ramon Berenguer IV married the daughter of the king of Aragon their son became ruler of both
i think it is bəɾsəlonə, the stress is in the o
To be fair to Napoleon - a France with Catalonia would be the ultimate vacation destination.
In the end, it boiled down to centuries of luck. There were thousands of other counties, duchies, and princedoms that did get gobbled up, regardless of whether they were within a country or on the border - as you note with Navarre - through marriages, inheritances and other political happenstances.
Visited Andorra 2 months ago, beautiful place!
Next: Why Hitler existed.
Lupetto Versilia
Magnificent.
Edit: what a surprise. A reply related to my comment has more likes. That gives it a better rank on how good it is.
Aidan, Commander of Nerdy Army. You're so wierd
Probably because he was born
Aidan, Commander of Nerdy Army. He existed to save Germany
GeraltOfRivia
I thought an alien ship crashed when it was heading to berlin by the border of Austria-Hungary and Germany in April 1889, and Adolf fell out.
Nice video im from Andorra and i dont think you left anything out good job
Interesting and informative. But is suggest you slow down the pace a little. A lot of information that needs to be processed, no needs to rush your speech. You could easily stretch it out to 10 min. But all in all a great video!
*Glad he pronounced Barcelona the correct way*
Actually the way that Americans say Barcelona with their accent is the correct way, because Barcelona is a name in Catalan and it isn't Spanish, and the vowel of C in Spanish doesn't exist for the same C in Catalan.
These videos really helped my history grades thanks alot.
It's also super capitalist. I live fifteen minutes from the border with Andorra. They have very few labour laws, you're not allowed to form worker's unions and you're not allowed to protest.
And I think they used to not have an income tax.
That was quite amazing. pls more stories from tiny nations
"feudalism got more complicated" it must've been a day ending with Y
Nice! Can you make one vid about Liechtenstein in future?
When France was occupied, was the bishop of Urgell the only prince of Andorra?
Well, according to Wikipedia, the French head of state's title as prince was passed to *groan* Philippe Pétain. The collaborationist stooge that headed Vichy France AKA the French State. Since the French State was technically independent, if mostly under occupation, Petain was the leader of France and thus Co-Prince of Andorra (until the establishment of the Provisional Government in 1944, which is the point at which Wikipedia switches it so that De Gaulle is the Co-Prince). Makes sense that Vichy France, all though not acknowledged by France as a legitimate regime, would be used by Andorra. Even if it was a German puppet half occupied by the Germans until it was fully occupied. It was either that government, or Free France's government in exile. And it's probably better to not anger the Nazis right next to you. You know, unless the true Frenchmen happen to come back, kick out the Nazis, and establish a Provisional Government over metropolitan France in opposition to the Vichy regime that's now in exile ;)
So by default due to unusual circumstances, Andorra was a Nazi puppet (kind of).
Andorra needs to be a Republic.
@@scorpioninpink No.
My medievalist heart cries everytime that you mentioned feudalism.
4:37 So, if The Basque County ever gets independents, they could claim the co-princedom?
I Love Andorra. Cheap, Friendly and Great Snowboarding in the winter. The Underground Bar in Pas de la Casa has my inflatable Spiderman Behind the Bar!!! (we got free drinks all night for donating that!!!).
they were invaded by Grand Fenwick in1066..
I half expected the video to begin with "because I said so," and then cut to credits and a black screen for seven minutes.
Informative video though! Nicely done!
1:34 Nope, that's how Barcelona is supposed to be pronounced in Spanish. In Catalan the sound "th" doesn't exist, in catalan we pronounce it like "Barsalona" and in spanish "Barthelona"
For the next video or so, can you talk about Jeffersonian Democracy like how you did with Sun Yat Sen's democracy?
Say Barcelona the proper way which happens to be the same in Catalan as English cause this really hurt to listen to. Everything else was great but I cringed way more than necessary x.x
The power of being simultaneously friends with all your neighbors and inconsequential enough for them to not bother annexing you.
Australia isn't real. The British dumped their prisoners to the sea.
Wyoming > Australia
TheDotGamer GD loads of fit birds though
Andorra, Monaco, Vatican, San Marino, Liechtenstein, been to all of them.
No, it's Barcelona with an S sound. Catalan is the native language of the region. And we speak English. C never sounds like TH in our language. Come on, bro.
> Catalan is the native language of the region.
But not the one most commonly used one.
@@h.inusitatus Because there are a lot of spanish immigrants invading it since Francoism.
More like this, please! It’s great!
Hahahahah the way you pronounce Foix and Urgell is so wrong but it’s okay I guess it’s really difficult for an englishspeaker. Great video though.
Foix=Fwah
It’s really not difficult for an English speaker.
Foix=foh-ish in native occitan, fuh ah its in french
great video, i can't wait for you video on Liechtenstein (their history is less complicated and their modern day independence is some extend, if not mostly, a result of Austria and Prussia going to war
Why does FYROM exist {Western Bulgaria}
Great video! Please make more like this
I think the comment section is going insane
Super well explained. Just one pronounciation thing: Urgell's "g" sounds like the "j" of "juice" or "justice". Great video!
He thinks hes so clever for pronouncing barcelona how spanish say it we know dude, but you dont have to in english like how you dont have to say france the french way
Plus the area's native language is Catalan, not Spanish (though many in Barcelona do speak Spanish, people vary rarely do in cities like Girona or Vic). As such, it's said more like it is in English, 'barselonae', not 'barthelona' as it is in Castillan Spanish.
I was blessed enough to visit Andorra 3 years ago, and although quirky there's not much there at all lmao.
Great way to have your family turn on you as they have to drive 8 hours through the Pyrenees!
"Darn it feudalism! Quit making my brain hurt!"
European history in a nutshell.
When your Crusader Kings playthrough gets out of control
This is not Andorra , this is Taured
Median stop writing this!
MhNzi Minh stfu
No this is Patrick
16263636 27636373 no this is america
Skylar Pcola THIS IS THE FBI OPEN UP
I had to stop the video at 1:00 to write this down, ouch. May I point out that, in either Spanish and Catalan, the "g" on Urgell sounds like the g on Germany. It should be written Urguell in order to be pronounced as you did, as in Guernica the famous painting by Picasso. Anyway you have my like, your videos are amazing, and now I will finish watching this one ;)
The plural of "diocese" is "dioceseS", pronounced "DI-o-siss" and "DI-o-sees-es".
Which is a nice way to enter into the subject of your pretentious arrogance regarding Barcelona. That isn't the "correct" way to say it, that's the way *some* people in Spain say it. Catalan speakers (most of the population of the city) do not say it that way, nor do southern Castellano speakers. This is irrelevant anyway, because the pronunciation in English is what counts as that is the language in which you're speaking throughout this video.
Happy now that you've said the exact same thing several other comments had already said when this video was published a year ago?
Awesome video like always.
Maybe now Hong Kong?
I liked how you tried to put this video together, the information is very interessting and puit together well. I do have to be honest tho (as a long time fan) that the jokes you mostly make don't stake with me, they distract me from the video and I personally can't really laugh at them. You make good quality videos so I don't wanna com[plain (honestly) But I feel like if you are gonna make those kinds of jokes, flesh them out more and I will look forward to the next Video. Maybe San Marino? Liechtenstein? would love to see a video about them.
1:34 In Spanish, but not in Catalan! XD
I will specify. In Castilian, but not in Catalan! xD The Spains have a lot of languages spanish.
Sorry, my bad, you are right :)
My brain hurts.
(Actually, I think this is one of your best. Very interesting. Yes, more, please!)