Lightweight Experimental Lanchester SMGs
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George Lanchester was the engineer responsible for originally reverse engineering the German MP28 submachine gun for production by the British, under the designation Lanchester. Once he finished that design work, the gun was put into production by the Sterling Engineering Company, and Lanchester went to work for them as part of the manufacturing process. Once there, he began tinkering with improved designs to reduce the weight of the gun - one of its main drawbacks. He created these three prototypes, but went no father, as government officials ordered him to stop when they discovered this work in 1942. By that time the Sten was in production, and continued development of the Lanchester was seen as a waste of time and resources.
The guns remained in the Sterling company’s reference collection, and elements of the final stock design would resurface in a later prototype design in the 60s. Beyond that, these guns were a simple dead end of design.
Many thanks to the Royal Armouries for allowing me to film and disassemble these unique submachine guns! The NFC collection there - perhaps the best military small arms collection in Western Europe - is available by appointment to researchers:
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Nice
More Star Wars props.
Hate to break it to you, but they used the Sterling SMG for the E-11 blaster.
Still looks like one of these eventually resulted in the Sterling, the resemblance is too close to be coincidence. At first glance I thought it was, in fact, a Sterling and I have a mock up Star Wars E-11.
USSEnterpriseA1701 the third gun he shows was actually influenced by the Stirling as he got the ideas for it from the Stirling plant
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@@koopaconroy yes he knows...
you know its serious stuff when Ian wears gloves
Ian has talked about this subject before. Different museums have different requirements for handling their collections. There's some argument about the necessity of gloves with these kinds of items, with some people arguing that bare hands (clean) are better than gloves. The argument is that natural oils from people's hands is good for metal finishes, while the gloves tend to remove these oils from the items in question. Whatever the truth behind the arguments, Ian respects the wishes of the owners of the specific collection he's examining. Which I think is the correct attitude for him to have.
@@tarmaque
Never understood this argument tho.
Human sweat is mostly water. Fingerprints etc tend to leave rustmarks on untreated metal surfaces.
If someone's skin is greasy enough that his touch is "good" for metal, he should propably see a doctor.
In England, have to drink tea with pinky finger sticking out
@@Kremit_the_Forg we aren't talking about sweat here, that is salty and clearly not good for any type of metal, but oils secreted naturally by the skin to maintain itself.
Its easy to remove sweat with water, but actual grease and oils need scrubbing, so by that logic, the oils on your hand may protect the service they are on. However, look at busts or full sculptures of famous people that have been touched by thousands of hands over their time in display. That degrades the metal. So anyone who's a dermatologist or metallurgy expert have any insight?
It's like one of those sexy dreams I have
I really like the polished, cylindrical front grip on that first example. Looks awkward af, but by god if it isn't stylish
Looks like something I could easily see showing up in any bioshock game.
steampunk Lanchester ...
Decidedly goofy, but I think they'd work just fine, maybe even well.
Like Ian said, "not terrible". Now that's high praise if I've ever heard it.
Ugly
Judging by the fact the Ian is wearing gloves, I don't think we'll see him shoot these.
Probably right, though I have noticed that everyone who handles any historic firearms at the royal armouries wears those type of gloves. Frankly I surprised Ian isn't required to wear them at the auction houses.
Look Remember, these are literally one of a kind. Unique.
Also, it’s the UK.
Zactacular He’s addressed that in past videos. He said that the use of gloves is dependent on the policies of the institution where the guns are. Auction houses and private owners understand that they aren’t really necessary. Museums have a protocol that covers everything in their collection, and that protocol generally says that gloves are used when handling items in their collection.
That’s a good rule of thumb
Had no idea the Sterling SMG was based on the E-11 Blaster
That stock on the last one is so cool!
Yeah I think if the third one had the charging handle in the left, it would have clearly been the best of the three
Yeah, reminds me heavily of the later-developed Sterling.
Also, hello, Katyusha!
@@tlshortyshorty5810
Hello to you comrade!
To add a side note, the Sten gun was made by various companies. The pre-war toy company Tri-Ang was making a Sten Mk II for around £1 9S 8d, which is the equivalent in 2019 of £80, hence the "We don't need another design, the one we have works well and is cheap" and I don't know many places that now could make a cheap SMG for that price.
I wish I could buy a Sten for 80 pounds or the equivalent today.
@@TheCheat_1337 I think the conversion rate would make it USD 90, I already adjusted for inflation, it might be a bit cheaper but I did it quickly.
I had the privilege of an internship with the Royal Armouries a couple of years ago; and dropped into the NFC a couple of times. It's an absolute treasure trove of firearms history! I can't wait to see more videos from the collection!
@ 6:40 "World's first Magpul angled front grip" you know...I think you're right!
True forgotten weapons. Lanchester was definitely snubbed by Patchett.
Thanks Ian, thanks Royal Armory. This is very interesting.
Those early prototypes looks really weird, but you can see the progresion on 'em.
That last version is pretty cool. I like how that folding stock is designed.
I just love all these old SMGs that are just a barrel attached to a tube with a spring in it.
That stock really is a neat bit of engineering.
Fabulous; the Sterling was the first and only SMG I have ever used. So nice to see it's stepsisters here. NB every time I see you Ian at the Royal Armouries in Leeds I feel the need to rush over and introduce you to Yorkshire bitter (beer). I then think that this was of course recorded months back and put the car keys down.
I used to window clean the whole Royal Armouries at night it used to take about a week. It's by far the creepiest place I've ever been, I used to wear headphones all the time as my mind was always playing tricks of imagining sounds. If you've ever been there you'll know what I mean, full sets of medieval armour very creepy abseiling down the building above the sets of armour.
This is the sort of thing that this channel is all about. Amazing history Gun Jesus. Thank you.
“Starting to look like a sterling” no sarting to look like a starwars stormtroopers E11 blaster
der schwartzadder thats my point, ya numpty
i love these random/experimental type weapon videos! great job
an informative piece on guns that have long been forgotten, a salute on Mr. Lanchester for his efforts.
Never underestimate the creative energy of a single bloke tinkering...
Question for the open bolt blowback experts:
The two part bolt with separate firing pin. Why??? Doesn't appear to offer anything in simplicity or ease of manufacture
@@JinKee Roger that, thank you sir
@@JinKee Except that the two parts of the bolt are held together by the recoil spring, so there's no out-of-battery safety.
Okay, that third butt stock, mechanical wise is genius! Love the way it functions!
Personally I have reservations when it comes to the design of the Sterling as to who picked who's brains.
As far as I can see George Lanchester (from the MP28) did the basic SMG and Patchett did the lovely proper magazine and tidied it all up. Crudely a Bergman with a double stack, double feed top quality magazine. I loved my L2A1 and never had a fault, bar the rubbish Indian ammunition the MoD bought. The only issue was making the rude & licentious actually use the shoulder stock and aim the ..**! thing. Did the job up to 100 metres and kept heads down out to 200 metres.
John T. Thompson had similar and earlier design - the 1921. central grip and mag, removable and folding stock. Brits had Thomsons to borrow ideas from)
So basically it's a bunch of funky Stens
Anyone have any idea how much these actually lightened the Lanchester?
The first two versions are ugly enough to make the sten look pretty, but the final iteration is gorgeous. I love that holding stock, but I can’t see it standing up to any kind of squaddy abuse!
"If you're not watching it on the release day"
So did i weird!
Those are absolutely fantastic. I'd love to know how well they fired!
The Lanchester was still in Royal Navy service in 1945 when my father was ordered to lead a landing party ashore in Norway after the surrender of German forces. (Their task was, in fact, to protect the Germans from the Norwegians until the former could be repatriated.) As a petty officer, he was to carry a Lanchester. Knowing it from nothing, the drew the manual and learned of its eccentricities, such as the recommendation to fire it only with the bayonet fixed. He had no time to practice, so he drew instead a Lee Enfield.
They stayed in service aboard ships until the 1970's. They were incredibly well made.
"Solid" comes to mind.
great video man!
- Which Lanchester SMG you have?
- Yes.
*_'Slow and short Imperial march'_* 8:15
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Thank you , Ian .
one simple rule for producing something cheaply, don't copy the Germans (or the Swiss)
You get a finely-crafted cookie.
The Lanchester kind of succeeded by doing that. It wasn't cheap, but it was way cheaper than the only alternative at the time (the peacetime Thompson).
@@ThatGuy-te9wh It was cheap, it wasnt dirt cheap which was the point of the sten, but it was VERY cheap compared to the Thompson and the other beautifully crafted SMGs of the period.
Volksturm
Front brain: look at these historic firearms! Wow these were landmarks in the field o-
Hind brain: *STAR WARS GUN*
7:21 .... Hose Clamps... That is Jubilee Clips in Limey slang. :)
I thought the same - but you say carbeen, I say carbine, you say hose clamps, I say jubilee clips. You say royal armories, I say Royal Armouries, and so on. This may get UK English some leverage (not levverage!)
Love the stock on the third one
Im liking that under-folding triangle stock.
That is one of the coolest lookin guns I’ve ever seen.
when I saw them, I thought a gang of plumers got drunk, bored about hearing about the stories that a bikemanufacture can make a light machingun. so they decided to show that they can at least make a submachingun.
Really cool folding stock on the third one
Thank you, interesting as ever.
Interesting that the grip assemblies on all 3 appear to be made from a solid block of micarta, including the stock sockets (with a bushing inserted). Perhaps molded plastic/bakelite was envisioned for the final version.
Man that thing is sick
Perfect way to start Friday.
Will be popping into the leeds amouries on sunday, along with the kitty cafe. Guns & kittys, perfect combo.
STEAMPUNK AT DANGEROUS LEVELS!
9:31 I bet your face wouldn't like it at all with all this open metal.
Props to lanchester!! 🌋 lol i love Ian
What an amazing looking 3rd gen.
If y remember correctly the lanchester had a brass cast magazine well thats another diference with this X SMGs.
I do like the folding stock. The bent-tube looks like a satellite-dish mount, I'm pretty sure we had one with a quick-disconnect stanchion mount for my sub...
Got an add for an emotional wellness ap before this video. Why would I need this when we have a steady supply of guns Jesus and his soothing voice?
Super video. Reminded me that there used to be an old "joke" that the RN adopted the Lanchester SMG because there was lots of brass and walnut to polish, and the Navy had the battleships to transport what was a weighty piece of kit. Clearly these models were meant for the army (sorry, couldn't resist). In passing was Lanchester connected in any way with the Lanchester saloon car which I think had a reputation for solid construction and a fine finish. Nominative determinism strikes again maybe?
In the automotive world we call those speed holes
“If your not watching this on the day it is released “ silly Ian I always watch them on the day their released
The experimental Sterling SMG is really cool looking, you know? Even the other experimental design.
When you get so far in stripping SMG design down, they all start looking similar. You can as well claim that one of those is a Blyskavica or one of italian _last ditch_ SMGs and I'd believe it. Laws of evolution stay true even to inventive designs.
Its just funny my country's military has whole museum. They still use these that 3rd one in my country they have tons of them!
Hoping this is a sign of more Royal Armouries vids to come...
Please do a video on the CAWS HK shotgun, the G11 of shotguns. So little info on this weapon and there is no video about this weapon tested. Only metal gear solid peace walker has an actual realistic representation of this weapon.
I'd add the game Jagged Alliance 2 to that. Could never find any ammo for it in game mind you lol
If Ian didn't exist we'd have to invent him.
Imperial R&D is taking notes. You do the Empire a great service, Darth Ian. A lot of the fun I get out of Star Wars is picking apart the props. lol
Thanks again for another fantastic and informative video. You know this channel is loved when you have 119 views and 283 likes.
However, I do have a question about the 3rd Lanchester's folding stock around 9:20. Specifically, how do you unlock it from the unfolded position? It appears like there might be a latch underneath the receiver's end cap but I'm not sure.
You just pull.
@@darkiee69 When he said that he was clearly talking about disengaging the stock from the closed position, in order to unfold it. He was even zoomed down on the spring loaded latch he was referencing. He did not discuss how to fold it back.
5 minutes in and I realised LANCHESTER actually meant LANCHESTER and not STERLING
I really love the style of Sterling-esque barrel jackets. I wish I could find something similar looking for a modern gun, but not may by Troy.
The third one reminds me of pinched fingers with cheap music stands.
Or lethal 60's metal deck chairs.
Not quite sure what it is about them. But prototype sub guns (particularly when Gun Jesus reviews them) are just so cool. Would defs pick no2 if I could have one mounted on the wall at home... :)
The last one is basically what inspired the clone trooper’s DC-15s blaster in the Star Wars prequels.
I actually wonder if there isn't something to that 'detached' hand grip on the first example. Seems like you could get a better grip on it, perhaps in terms of the tactile feeling it's superior than a normal hand-guard or even a vertical one. Someone should do some experimenting with that - we might've been doing it wrong this entire time.
Note that Ian decided which order to release these videos in before he even filmed them.
And yet, no mention of how accurate Imperial Stormtroopers are with them😂😂😂
Very good
British engineering at its best. Also, Gun Jesus is really spoiling us this week!
The last one has a lot of promise, shame it was never adopted, I would love to see some modern guns using "clever geometry" to make collapsing stocks or the like
Honestly, I think I would prefer those wonky wooden grips over holding it around the mag well ala the Sten.
Actually, I think a STEN is properly held by the ventilated barrel jacket.
When I saw the title I was like “lanchester, the British Winchester?”
EnglishXnXproud lol I was meaning the companies not names
Anteep like British equivalent
The 3rd one really looks like a blaster from star wars
That 3rd XP Lanchester sub looks a lot like what the Separatist droids use in star wars
Who else is thinking about a M203 under that thing?
Could you do a video on the Stirling assault rifle prototype? It’s probably almost impossible to find but even just a video that only shows photos would be great!
www.forgottenweapons.com/british-308-sterling-prototype/
I think Ian already has a video of it on the way. It was on one of his videos where he was showing a load of guns at the NFC that he had only managed to have a quick look at (including a Pulse Rifle from Aliens). By the sounds of it he had a lot of editing to do, or planned to get to it on a future visit.
Alexander Marinin I completely forgot he made a page on that! Thanks for this!
Dogs Nads when did he post this video?
All these guns look like star wars props.
From the thumbnail the middle one looks a bit like a collapsible survival rifle.. and the top one is really a sterling..
That's a really odd application for a square thread. That's something you'd more likely see in something like a vise screw.
My wife and I have decided to adopt Ian.
Like having a Bentley motor car without the wood and leather.
the last one really looks like the sterling smg, I think Lanchester deserves another nod for his ideas ........ NOD
welcome to the UK
Starwars?
The Stormtroopers Blasters were modified Sterling SMGs - which is not these. But, as mentioned in video, the designer of the Sterling was also working there when Lanchester was creating these so a certain familial appearance is not unexpected.
@@rickansell661 Oh,Thank you for answering my question.
You got some Star Wars blasters right there.
You can see how the third one morphed into the Sterling later
2:42 Probably to save on weight and cost.
Could he have been using shot out barrels and reversing them.to eliminate throat erosion.
We need a mud test.
The first two examples look like they came straight out of metro 2033. I have to say i really like they way they look.
The Mk 1 and 2 would look pretty cool if the mag was vertical instead of at the side.
Do you go to the UK often or did you record a lot of content in a single visit?
Paul Anderson He records a lot on each visit, then published them over time. One time he did a whole week on Bergman pistols (very early semi autos), and folks not interested in those very obscure guns got bored. So now he mixes them up. He did a much of videos in South Africa and some of those trickle out now and then.
Why don't we ever see those sterlings that are only about 18" long?
That one on the right looks suspiciously familiar...
at any rate they can make great star wars props.