Inside Jimi Hendrix Woodstock Vox Wah w/ Dave Weyer
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- A quick look inside Jimi Hendrix's Wah that he used at Woodstock with Dave Weyer, the man who built it for Jimi in 1969 at West Coast Organ right on time for the show.
See other videos. Coming up for auction with the Fuzz prototype and the Guild Amp used in the Experience.
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Don't forget there were 2 wah pedals. There is a spare one sitting on the amps next to Jimi's tech! Look it up
The TDK inductor seen in this wah was introduced in 1971, best that I can determine. It produces a smaller more compressed wah range. With Jimi passing in 1970 he wouldn't have been playing this generation of wah.
From the footage at Woodstock it definitely looks like Jimi is playing an early ( 1967 ) Clyde McCoy Vox wah wah pedal which is different than what is shown in this video. The first series of Vox wahs had no badge on the front and are immediately recognisable. I own a very early one so I am quite familiar with this pedal. What we are looking at in this video is a much later model which didn't even exist in 1969 when Woodstock happened. So this can't be the pedal that Jimi played at Woodstock.
Apparently Roger Meyers hot rodded Jimi's pedals , pick ups , amps . Great video Thanks .
"I'm not sure how public you wanna make that, but...." No problem. I've got this private server for stuff like that. *Uploads video to RUclips*
I had no idea PCBs existed in that era. Not in guitar effects pedals at least. Literally every Wah and fuzz I’ve ever seen in person that came from Jimi’s time (1966-1970) all used basic P2P circuits, not PCB.
It’s also fairly common knowledge that by Woodstock, Roger Mayer was building most (if not all) of Jimi’s Fuzz and Octave Fuzz circuits. They used the stock Dallas Arbiter Fuzz Face “landmine” pedal housings, but the guts were about as far from off the shelf as one could get in that period. Mayer built the Octavia from the ground up. Even used a customized wedge housing for it.
I’m certainly no expert, but claiming this was a Wah actually used by Hendrix…? I dunno about that.
Interesting about PCB layout.. I watched my father in the (1960s) (Goodyear Aerospace Electronic Engineer) make his own circuit boards... I too doubt PCB boards where used back in those days .
PCBs were already extremely common in everyday electronics by the 60's. Open up any transistor radio from the time.
All the Fuzz Faces and Wahs used PCBs. Some other fuzzes, like certain Tone Benders, didn't, but the Dallas-Arbiter Fuzz Faces all did.
Wanna hear that Wah? Joe Gagan builds a fantastic replica. Check out my demo: ruclips.net/video/8bcII20IetU/видео.html
I never tought of just soldering another cap in parallell with the sweep cap to make the wah effect deeper, instead of replacing the capacitor that already on the pcb.
I had a Thomas organ wah, TDK inductor & same components, can't believe I had the same model..
I’m going to assume this the modifications done to Jimi’s wahs, however, this specific wah was not his.
So Jimi's custom wah was the first wah with a buffer ? Groovy !
where is the buffer is that part of the resistor or cap he put in
No a 10K resistor
@@Mark70609 * 1k resistor
This is a bullshit,Jimi was using vox clyde mccoy picture wah,with hallo inductor and SGS IW transistors and icar potentiometer,It seem vox/crybaby that is produced in 1970 with TDK5103 inductor and 5117 transistors and centralab potentiometers,I belive that jimi was not using this pedal when he was in woodstock 69
Bandar Chips I'm with you on this one. I have modified and owned a shitload of wah pedals and some things here look way more newer date. All things that you mentioned... Plus one that so obvious and very crucial to the sound of the wah pedal- wah potentiometer. This is Dunlop HotPotz 1 wah potentiometer, late '80s and early '90s Crybaby GCB95 had them. I had it in mine own very first Crybaby GCB95 in around 1993.
It's a joke seeing Dunlop HotPotz 1 it in this wah pedal ! And these input and output jacks are of a lot newer date, they didn't look like this on those old VOX wah wah pedals.
A lot of fishy things here for authenticity of this wah!
The only wah that Jimi uses is the Dunlop Cry Baby Jimi Hendrix Signature Wah.
It has his name on it. 'Nuff Said
There seems to be some confusion. As I understand it the VOX V846 was the Woodstock used wah pedal(as seen in this video,) however Jimi also used a Vox V847A correct? I'd also like to know the value of that capacitor(it's simply a ceramic cap which are readily available we all just need that value). Getting paper film caps like those seen in this original pedal these days however could be a drama for those wanting everything all original. The resistor looks to be a 1K ohm 10% tolerance resistor(Brown, Black, Red with Silver Tolerance band.) Probably a 1W version would do the trick. 530mH (Coil or Inductor) is obtainable. The 0.01 Capacitor(not sure if that will be a micro farad or a pico farad, more than likely a micro farad) would need to have a parallel value that no doubt potentially doubles the value so that would be the same value but if it's to increase the capacitance only slightly then we'll need that exact value to get it spot on. Superb little video but sad that the quality is not high enough to work out all the electrical parts there.
It's a .0047uF cap. 472 code.
Jimi never used a Vox V847A 'cause the Vox V847A is the newer SMD version with a built-in power jack that came after the 90's PTH V847 version, after the production moved to China.
Jimi’s is stuff was almost always modded anyway , as seen above. The enclosures do not always denote what is inside.
THIS WAS NEVER JIMI'S PEDAL! 1st off, this wah design was not available in 1969. 2nd Jimi used a 1967 Clyde McCoy which had no logo or a countersunk rectangle on the face (which can clearly be seen live during his woodstock performance. The first production wahs in 1967 had a smooth face with no logo or rectangle, in 1968 the VOX logo was cast into the pedal, and in the 1970's VOX wahs then had a rectangle Aluminum faceplate that sat in a recessed rectangle on the face of the wah as this wah once had. 3rd , the completely wrong signature on the inside is only to help authenticate this forgery. What I have said is 100% fact which makes Dave Weyer a fraud.
@@thebobhollyband All valid points except that basing a single performance for the legitimacy of the pedal used wouldn't necessarily constitute proof, as Jimi used a good number of variations and alternatives in the studio. It's also important to note that Mr Hendrix used a lot of different guitars in the studio and at some concerts, not just the white Strat made famous due to the Woodstock concert. The same applies to the effects pedals he used. For all intents and purposes the circuit certainly looks authentic and in line with Jimi's effects favs ( fuzz/overdrive with traditional wah circuit.) Then of course no one can forget the wonderful Univibe sound heard on the famous Purple haze piece. As to if it's legit due to a timeline well for this fan it's about matching circuits to closely get the same sound the original artist used but beware that when you get that concerned about the detail, no 2 pedals will ever be EXACTLY the same. All components have different tolerances and wear factor will come into account. One of the most notable attempts to be given much kudos was the MXR Van Halen wha pedal, where they have actually measured the wear that Eddie put into his pedal through use and machine this wear into each of the pots in these pedals. That's super attention to detail. Even Eddie himself was able to use this one and retire the unique original. Anyway hope you find the exact pedal your after there and hey, if you do, let us all know please.
Is he marketing or offering this mod? I don't know if the gentleman is still with us but I hope he got financial recognition to some degree. Thank you, Dave Weyer
Joe Gagan sells pedals with this mod. I have one and it's awesome. There are clips on this site
Pretty sure Jimi's Woodstock wah is a 67' Vox Clyde McCoy "Picture" wah as it had no "VOX" logo painted on the front. Nice try old timer, maybe A wah owned by Jimi, but not the Woodstock wah.
Does the wah in this video have a 'VOX' sticker on the front?
Watching this video, there’s no way to tell if this Wah has the indentation/recess/rectangle (for the label) on the front.
We’d have to see the toe/front of this particular Wah to make that decision.
I own a 1975 Cry-Baby and 2 1976 King Wah’s….all have the TDK.
With the bottom plate removed, the inside area (at the toe) of all 3 look exactly like the one in this video: Flat.
There’s no indication (inside the Wah shell) that there’s a recess/rectangle on the outer wall.
One more time: Based on this video, we have no way of knowing if this Wah has the front rectangle or not.
Also....comparing the bottom plate shown in this video - 00:50 - with images online, it says:
VOX
WAH-WAH
MODEL V846
The silver rectangle underneath that text shows the serial number.
Below the serial number, it says:
Thomas Organ Company
Sepulveda, California
Patented
So that bottom-plate shown in the video comes from a patented Wah.
Lastly.....
Geoffrey Teese: ‘TDK was introduced in roughly 1968 and used up to the close of Thomas in 1983.‘
Yes, I've only just started looking into this myself and it's all very fishy! As you say, why are we not seeing the front of the wah? The point is that we can clearly see that the one he is using throughout the woodstock performance has no VOX logo on the front, though the logo can be seen on the treadle, so we know it's a VOX. The lack of logo would suggest an early Clyde McCoy, which this isn't. But there is another VOX wah sitting on top of one of the speakers behind Jimi to his right which does have the logo on the front. However, even if this is purporting to be that one (which isn't in use) then there's still the problem that the one in the above video has a base plate which says "patented" and the patent was only granted 4 days after Jimi died. So I think it's fair to be asking what's going on here? I suppose we'll be hearing next that the original base plate was lost and replaced with a later one!!! Frankly I'm surprised that the handwriting inside doesn't say "Jimi woz 'ere 8/18/69"!!
I have never seen a TDK wah from 68, pretty sure Teese never said this, and there is zero proof that TDK was used before the 70s, i own the oldest TDK vox (73 or 72)I have ever seen and I have been looking for 2 years . And we know all TDK had the rectangle name plate, that is how we know this one has also.
@@arfboucher3855 He said it. I posted a link to the article here more than a week ago. I have no idea why RUclips removed it.
He was interviewed by Analogman.
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Analogman) What is the fasel inductor?
Teese) To the best of my knowledge fasel refers to the appearance and conjectured make up. A way of discerning them. According to Thomas they used one company to make all their inductors from 1958 to 1981.
Porr-Wagner probably made all the inductors, except the TDK, as TDK was not listed in the VOX/THOMAS Vendor Files. TDK was introduced in roughly 1968 and used up to the close of Thomas in 1983. They still sold old stock through 1983 when the rights were purchased by Jim Dunlop.
Uh...yeah. Two faceless guys with a faceless wah claiming it was Hendrix's Woodstock wah...uh huh.
Do you know the value of the capacitor on the underside of the board that is wired in with the .01 cap? Thanks
Aaron Dyson id like know as well well. I tried screen shotting it. To me it looks like a 472 or 473 printed on the cap which would make that pedal pretty dark in parallel with the .01
Aaron Dyson damnit Jimi why you gotta be so mysterious hah
It's a .0047uF cap. 472 code.
@@Kevin-xs7lk his wha is piercingly bright
such value wouldn't make much difference, paralleled with a .1 uF or would it?
THIS WAS NEVER JIMI'S PEDAL! 1st off, this wah design was not available in 1969. 2nd Jimi used a 1967 Clyde McCoy which had no logo or a countersunk rectangle on the face (which can clearly be seen live during his woodstock performance. The first production wahs in 1967 had a smooth face with no logo or rectangle, in 1968 the VOX logo was cast into the pedal, and in the 1970's VOX wahs then had a rectangle Aluminum faceplate that sat in a recessed rectangle on the face of the wah as this wah once had. 3rd , the completely wrong signature on the inside is only to help authenticate this forgery. What I have said is 100% fact which makes Dave Weyer a fraud.
You know, this will never end :) Dave documented pretty well how the got the parts and made that pedal. We will never know if it was the woodstock pedal or not. None of the footage has enough resolution to determine if the emboss on the front is there or not. It really doesn't matter as it's water under the bridge and long gone now.
What I can tell you is that I saw with my own eyes and heard recordings of Jimi trying it out when I was at Dave's house. He did all the work on his Marshalls and also build the Fuzz prototype for him. So I would not call him a fraud, Jimi is a god and his relics will always be debated, it comes with the territory.
@@thebobhollyband I absolutely respect your opinion and anyone else who was present at woodstock or who has learned about it on the internet, watching the same footage we all saw over and over. At an angle, filmed from a distance, the casing will look the same. Tried it myself :) Again I m not saying it is or it isn t, we will never know. There are at least 3 more that are claimed to be by the way .. Dave knew that by putting his story out there, he will face massive backlash from the internet experts and others, he didn t have to do it, he did it because he believed it to be true.
The fuzz proto was undeniably real as well, the shipping records of vox, documentation on how the parts got to West Coast, logos on the amps visible under tons of angle, recording of Jimi that he chose not to release or sell, the Guild amp etc etc ... YOu can absolutely believe that it's not the woodstock Wah, calling Dave a fraud is a complete different story and a judgmental and insulting statement :)
Again, you are entitled to your opinion about all of this. It's water under the bridge.
@@antoinegedroyc4311 Proof this is not the wah right here (Lover Man) at Woodstock shows a perfect clear shot. www.cda.pl/video/5289234dc Go to 37 minutes 31 seconds. Case closed!!!!!
@@antoinegedroyc4311 www.cda.pl/video/5289234dc @ 37 minutes 32 seconds you can see a perfect clear picture of just the wah. This proves without a doubt that this was not the wah used at woodstock. Now you know, case closed.
@@thebobhollyband I admire your desire to be right. Do you know how many Wah he had at woodstock ? Jerry Velez, who was there, behind him, playing the percussion and helped packing gear as everyone should at the time said "at least 8" . So again, we will never know what pedal played what, it is irrelevant at this point.
good evening I need the electronic diagram of the wah wah pedal v847 thank you
Apparently Jimi used to roll back the sweep wheel slightly on every wah pedal , I heard it on a jimi doc interview thing, But Can anyone confirm this ??
Its futuristic when uthink of mobile phone id say .. wots this 60s its now 2021
Any idea of wich transistors are these?
Tdk inductor?
TDK inductors were used starting in 1968.
This was quite surprising! I have a vintage '69-'70 Vox v486 with fasel, then I came across a "stack o dimes" '77 T.O. Crybaby and then recently picked up a '76 T.O. Crybaby with the TDK and that wah instantly reminded me of Jimi's wah tone. Out of the 3 vintage wahs I prefer the TDK Crybaby, I had no idea Jimi's pedals had TDKs, at least the late ones '69-'70. The '76 Crybaby circuit looks a lot like this pedal here besides Dave's modifications of coursem
@@Voodoo66Chile This was not Jimi's pedal. This pedal did not exist in 1969. Jimi used a 1967 Clyde McCoy during woodstock. www.cda.pl/video/5289234dc proof this is not the wah used at woodstock. An up close high definition picture can be seen at 37 minutes and 32 seconds. Case closed! Jimi did not use a 1970's wah with a rectangle on the face in 1969.
@@thebobhollyband I didn't pay attention to it being claimed as his "woodstock" wah, that's obviously not the same but I do believe it is one of Jimi's pedals. Jimi had a box full of wahs and you'll see the models vary all the time, from Clyde's to King Vox Wahs... I think claiming it the Woodstock pedal is pretty cheesy, West Coast stickers were all over his gear by '69 and seems whenever a piece of his gear with the sticker pops up it's automatically claimed to be used at Woodstock.... eh either clickbait or idk
@@Voodoo66Chile This pedal did not even come out until after Jimi's death.