Why Luke Took So Long to Restart the Jedi | Star Wars Legends Lore
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This is one of the most important differences between the old EU and the new canon. The fact that Luke in the new canon gave up after pretty much only one major set back is an unforgivable choice in my opinion. Yoda called on Luke to pass on what he learned. That Luke would try on one group and then give up upon failing just outrages me.
The effort Luke goes through, and the anguish and guilt that he feels over his failures, is one of the best parts of the books and comics and games that I loved growing up.
While Luke does hold some of the blame in some cases for his failures, a lot is because of how little proper training he had. Corran, Mara, and eventually even Jacen all point out that Yoda and Obi Wan trained Luke almost purely as a weapon pointed at Vader and Palpatine. They did not prepare him properly to restore the Jedi order. And Palpatine's purge destroyed almost all useful records he could rely on. Luke recovers a holocron from Palpatine, only to have it be destroyed by Exar Kun. And it would not be until the Legacy era that most records of the old order were recovered - from declassified Imperial files to the wreck of the Jedi training ship on Dathomir.
While Luke makes a lot of mistakes over his EU career, he never gives up and remains the hero he was in the movies I love. He ultimately successfully restores and remakes the order, and that to me was a very big deal.
New canon Luke strikes me as a destruction of his character. As far as I am concerned he is a selfish coward in the new canon and that doesn't at all match who and what he was in the original films.
Agreed they done him dirty. In canon he acc had lot of knowledge like jocasta nu's hidden cache after the formation of the empire. Instead of rebuilding and using the knowledge he turns into a bitch
I don't disagree that Rian Johnson picked a bad time to deconstruct Star Wars (not that it isn't ripe for a deconstruction, but that's another essay), but there are some points to consider from both angles:
1) the flashback-setback involving Kylo Caedus appears to have taken out the entire Praxeum -- imagine if Kup Durron or Brakiss had wiped out everyone and set the temple on fire before leaving Yavin 4. Exar Kun wasn't nearly as successful as the Knights of Ni -- I mean, Ren -- in this key regard.
2) Back in the Mindor campaign, Luke very nearly succumbed to despair from the psychic assaults of Lord Cronal, the nihilistic Sorcerer of Rhand. While he recovered in Legends, he was a long time "faking optimism until he could make optimism". (And if you view "An Apology" as canonical, later Luke might be literally a different person anyway.)
It's possible that things went a little differently in Disney!Canon precisely because of the Mindor campaign and the fate of Cronal. If you know the latter one might see some possibilities.
3) While the New Republic certainly wanted the Jedi Order back, both Mon Mothma and Luke were wary about repeating past mistakes to varying degrees. The Old Senate passed the Binks Amendment, after all, and Yoda's Jedi Order let a Sith Lord assume the position of Supreme Chancellor. So, much as Mon Mothma (at least in Legends) was persuaded that the New Republic Defense Forces weren't going away anytime soon, Luke probably spent a good deal of time looking over any extant records and teachings focusing more on "how to avoid the lust to exert one's own will" and less on "Which member of the Council will arrange for delivered meals if we must deliberate all night."
So a lot of knowledge might have been found but deliberately set aside in both universes, is what I'm saying. After all, Obi-Wan's departing spirit told Luke that he would be the first of the New Jedi, not the last of the old....
(Kinda would have liked to see Yarael Poof join K'Krukh and his sweet hat as survivors of the Old Jedi who helped to forge the New.)
The Jedi were almost wipe from the face of the Galaxy, and considering that the surviving Jedi were in hiding because of the Galactic Empire hunting them down, its no wonder why Luke took so long in establishing his new Jedi Order. By this point many in the old Jedi Order were dead, and those force sensitive left lived outside of the Jedi Order. Many of these force sensitive individuals were raised in an environment that hunted the Jedi and paint them as traitors and automatically made them criminals for having the force, so for their own safety they stayed hidden until they felt safe. Also, if people found out that Luke was the son of the Galaxy greatest Jedi killer, it will look like he himself was hunting them down.
A topic I would be very interested in would be all of Vaders apprentices and assassins. Just as a video suggestion.
What were the actual numbers of Luke's Jedi order throughout the years?
The only hard number I know of is when Luke mentions there being "dozens" of them in Jedi Outcast.
What was the size of the NJO during the Vong war, Second Galactic Civil war, and the crisis with Abeloth and the lost tribe?
With the NJO getting wiped out on Ossus in Legacy, I never really pictured them having more than a thousand members at their height. Quality over quantity seemed to be Luke's style of teaching anyhow.
If I recall correctly by the time of the Vong war or NJO era there were roughly between 50 to 80. Although the number is unconfirmed and subjective. This is also dependent on context. Are we talking total members, fully trained and/or active members, or trainees included
There were hundreds or even thousands Jedi (be it Apprentices, Knights or Masters) by the events of Fate of the Jedi (43 after Yavin)
“Need I remind the Chancellor that there’s not enough Jedi to defend the Republic should war break out. We are keepers of peace, not soldiers of war,” Mace Windu, Star Wars Episode II. If so, then why the heck did the mainstream Jedi Order agree to become ranking military commanders in the newly formed Grand Army of the Republic?!
Power, and a lack of responsibility. The Jedi order had completely lost its way by the outbreak if the Clone Wars and acted as servants of the Republic rather than servants of the force.
Not all Jedi were okay with the idea of being military leaders.
An enclave of Jedi basically boycotted the clone wars. They were lead by Sora Bulq and included K'Kruhk, and were supposed to meet with Mace windu on neutral grounds to discuss the issue, but it turned out Sora was a traitor and sprung a trap to try and kill mace and the other jedi, after that the anti-war Jedi pretty much gave up.
At the time of the Clone War the Jedi were pretty thoroughly entrenched into the bureaucracy of the Galactic Republic. Beyond that though Jedi were specifically targeted by the CIS, even those that weren’t participating in the war. The Order at large was really left with two choices, either become military officers or separate themselves wholly from the Galactic Republic, the fallout of which could end up being far worse than their extended military service. Really they were doomed either way, just as Palpatine had set it up.
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At least it wasn't like Canon where it failed from the start
Let's be real for a second Luke didn't know yavin had sith spirits and he wasn't fully ready to train Jedi but he tried and it worked out 14percent he did better than canon Luke!
Okay now THIS Luke I can see sayin “F this shit, I’m out!” He’s had multiple setbacks, multiple failures, and multiple enemies working against him in his quest to restore the Jedi for years. In that time he loses a ton of students including two nephews and a wife. At that point, he should be ready to throw in the towel!
In canon it seems like everything was going fine. No problems until he made only one error and suddenly he wanted to end it all? Too simple. I don’t buy it.
And he still didn’t give up, hence why people loved Luke’s NJO so much based on principal
While I know the channel doesn't do what if's, there is one that might interest you. At the time of Dark Empire, Mara and Kyle were dealing with the events of Mysteries of the Sith. If Kyle and Mara in-universe had been included in the events of the first novel, such as accompanying Leia and Han to recover Luke, how would their presence have effected the story?
Most likely. Apparently, in later works, Mara didn't consider the Palpatine in Dark Empire the original, but a clone with delusions of grandeur like Joruus. So seeing her reactions would be interesting.
What about Kuller/dolph, the teenager turned warlord who killed significant portions of the senate, and nearly killed luke
The New Rebellion is criminally underappreciated. Hell I still haven't read it
I'm surprised you didn't mention Dark Jedi Desann
It would be interesting if you did planet history videos like Coruscant and Kashyyyk.
Your silence on Ken the Jedi prince is glaring
I haven't read the books but I always got the feeling that Luke was just "How the fuck do I Jedi!?" for a while.
I have a question #coreydatapad when K'Kruhk entered Luke's Jedi did all of the younglings that escaped with K'Kruhk join as well?? If not then what happened to them??
We don't know. The story of K'Kruhk's group surviving to the Imperial Era was written shortly before Legends was discontinued. One of K'kruhk's students left the group due to her negative emotions; maybe a story was planned for a confrontation. Its not clear exactly when K'kruhk joined Luke either. With Legends gone, we may never know the answers.
Damn.... well thank you for answering n let's hope sum day Disney will let writers go back
I didn't feel at all like he took a long time. I mean Luke himself was barely a jedi knight and only knew the basics. He had no academy, no resources, no idea how it was done or anything. That and the empire was still a very real threat constantly looming and his friends often needed him.
It makes sense for him to wait until he gotten more experience and confidence and the political situation stabilized.
You forgot old Streen 😥
Why didn't ego to orphans M people out on the streets and stuff with no family or homes I don't think he would have approved the taking of young thinks that the old Jedi Order did but people who did or didn't have the force he could have offered them a place in the new Republic military create a life for themselves and those who had the potential to be jedi he could have taken with him he was willing to train the young and the old after all
Thanks for making this video, man
Don’t forget about your boy Ben 😂 great job he did there as well
Would love to see a Loren the logistics of the rebellion
Where did Desann fit?