Woman say misandrist things against men all the time. It's always considered a joke, and it's always considered "okay". I've seen women say truly horrific things about men's very high suicid/E rates. As much as these things disgust me they are not terrorism and nor should anyone be punished as if it was.
Trying to criminalise emotions, opinions, and expressions is not going to end well. It's time people were taught emotional maturity rather than hide the parts of the world that upsets them.
@DannyShine Children are vulnerable and to be protected. I don't think anyone would dispute that. I'm talking about adults who display emotional incontinence and demand that authorities treat their (self inflicted) distress as a crime.
So out of touch. This is only going to alienate young men more and make them feel like second class citizens more than they already do. Instead of trying to criminalize their thoughts why not try and understand them?
they seemingly want men to wake up to the scam that is offered by modern society, the more men that see the game is rigged and how they've been lied to about many, many things, the better. remember, in the modern day, she's not yours, it's just your turn
I don't think anyone should be espousing extreme hate towards anyone. Men or women. But are we really going to put _nasty words_ and _hurtful comments_ on the same level as *Terrorism!?* It seems exceptionally hyperbolic. The media's sensationalism around "incel culture" is now being taken as the actual truth, instead of being seen for the obvious click bait it is. No one has the right to _not_ be offended. Anyone can call me anything, and I might be annoyed, but I shouldn't then have the right to report them to the police because my feelings got hurt! This _encourage friends and neighbours to report one another_ is an absolutely disgusting, dystopian nightmare! And finally, who the f*ck are any government to decide what is or isn't hateful!? What should or shouldn't be offensive!? It's an incredibly dangerous step which strips people of their right to free speech, disguised as something to protect a group from a problem that's been vastly inflated, to sell papers.
You are not wrong, and you make your points well. Nonetheless, Andrew Tate has said things he would like to do with very young women, which are illegal and very disgusting. At best, it's all lies and bravado to get the "clicks," but I was shocked when I viewed one of his rants
@@rolandrothwell4840 what did he say that you found so shockiing and horrible? I am curious, did he say some Ted Bundy or Deadpool killer type stuff. Women love those guys, many love letters.
“Maybe phrases like toxic masculinity are making men not feel appreciated, driving them towards people like Andrew Tate” I’m not an Andrew Tate fan but yes, that combined with the rise of people online saying “I hate men”, “men are trash”, “if men didn’t exist the world will be safer”, ect which they never call out whilst always calling out misogyny, that is partly what leads people to move towards people like Andrew Tate, I bet they do nothing about misandry.
No fan of tate, but this whole thing has nothing todo with tate, the problem is mainly in London, the problem started roughly two years Ago!, the problem is we have a class of people all of a sudden who think & see women as subhuman & inferior, thus women from "there" community are Forced Or chose to Completely Cover up! Or dress modestly! & also can't be outside in public without a Man there mosque separate women from the men. Offering three children isn't classes as terro but misogyny is potentially going to be classed as terro...
@@louk597 I don’t know where you side (I’m sorry it was quite hard to tell) but all I’m saying is there are people on the internet saying “if men didn’t exist then the world will be safer/better because………..” and, not only on femcel sites but also on “feminist” sites and they never get removed or demonetised and that’s never called out. All I’m saying is maybe that’s not helping.
Most criminals and bad men come from single mothers or abusive mother households? Why arent we holding misandry responsibe for the mess they are creating and raising? Why dies siciety never hold these bad women accountable?
This is true. We may not like these people for their views but they need rehabilitation not ignoring. Ignoring is how we ended up with brexit and trump.
@@PaulStargasmto suggest brexit and Trump happened because people felt "ignored' is an absurd simplification and drips with middle class superiority complex and elitist snobbery.
@digitalbunker4463 you assume people with that view are elitist, nigel your mate is an elitist who banks with banks that only take rich people and he promoted brexit 24/7 for years to stay rich and get him and his mates richer off moronic people who believed them. That vote was due to a complex argument that got simplified and it should not have been and due to that simplification, the uk economy is now the worst it's ever been.
@@PaulStargasm modern men are expected to be awesome and put up with working hard for someone whose not near their level. there's a lot of reasonable complaints from many men in the west these days, though we'll be blamed for what is largely hate from the other side
How is an ideology that women 'must be kept' in a particular place anything other than violence? You're literally talking about people who want to force women to do (or not do) something.
@@OakleyANDSittingBullHow the heck do you stop people thinking, even about unpleasant things? Are the people who come up with films such as the saw or hostel type films not guilty of thinking horrible thoughts?
@@OakleyANDSittingBull How! And Geronimo. Yes. I have put in words like this, thought (words) - speech - emotion- intention- action. More succinctly, "You, x, y, z, bad. Bad I dislike, hate. I hurt you." It's so basic, and our minds being dedicated strongly to energy saving, so, to thinking as little as possible, hence imbecilic violence.
To be honest, I've been passionate about equality since my teens and I feel threatenned by terms like "toxic masculinity" and the non polarized "toxic feminity". The two terms examined together seem to blame me, a man, for all the problems in the world.
My friend got battered physically and mentally by his ex, so much so that years after his death it was apparent he was so damaged by this treament that he'd never recovered, people knew about it at the time but it was dumbed down and of course he was a man and she was a woman. I cannot believe there's still people out there that refuse to believe this doesn't happen to women let alone men, there are women out there that are just as hateful to men as the other way around, my friend died early this year, we miss him and wish we could of stopped his much prolonged pain, look out for your sons as much as you would your daughters❤
I can sympathise, I know of someone that was treated violently in his relationship and had to leave his home. He was so in love and spent his last if he had to accommodate her demands to keep her pretty image like her friend. At times he would call his parents in fear locking himself in the bedroom to feel safe. He later found out she was messing around with his friends for 8 years and still forgives her infidelity. On the day he finally decided to leave she taunted him with another guy in their spare bedroom while he packs his belongings. My mate and her husband were in a state of emotional distress afraid their son would get hurt as he didn't want them to escalate anything. Today the younger generations regardless of gender, are in a different mindset but also social media, influenced by friends, having to compete academically for higher paid jobs and changes in world economics on a rapid level, all at some point becomes overloaded with burnouts. I feel social media has played a big part in society on the whole trying to achieve what others have, want or live an image that they perceived to be reachable. People become redundant on a conveyor belt. Very sad and disturbing times.
@@andyo-southpawguitaruk5322 Sadly male abuse is rampant but rarely spoken of or reported because of fear of stigma being weak. Society empowerment of equality tipping the scale, where people of all genders are afraid to get into relationships. More so straight men because of little reports from them due to the stigma feeling ashamed of being labelled as weak and not manly enough. Some men have suffered for many years into their senior years and resigned to put up with the abuse which makes them more submissive believing it's acceptable for a man to please their partners regardless. Today it's worse as it even shows on social media the extent a man will go to prove their worth at any cost asked of them. The value of a person becomes a price and not of the contents of the person. I'm not saying this doesn't happen in any gender relationship but what I'm saying, men have been suffering much longer making excuses labeling it as possessive love or jealous love.
@@andyo-southpawguitaruk5322 I also was a victim of terrible abuse and raising 2 very young children. I suffered for 17 years before I got some help from my doctor who saw my brushes. One thing I'm grateful for, is that my children were born during the last 4 years of my 17 years of abuse from their father. My second baby was only 6 months old and my other just turned 5 when I finally got some help. Physical violence could happen anywhere and people who've already been a victim of any form of abuse are easily susceptible to prolonged fear speaking up that leaves them in limbo of trust, isolation with depression and induced complex mental and anxiety. To heal and try your best to recover is to join a charity or work supporting others listening or forming a talking therapy group. It's so rewarding and also make new like-minded empathetic people and hopefully becomes a friendship link. 💜
We need to stop minimising this issue as a 'teenage boy' thing. There are fully grown men who think like this, they're far more dangerous to women than pathetic 14 year olds.
Stop taking away children's ability to critically think and make decisions for themselves. These children are growing into adults who make poor decisions and can't logically think for themselves. This is the poison chalice we face in society today
@@stevenmcgee5683yes radical feminism which is inequitable. Women are now paid the same for doing less whilst men are silenced cancelled and actively discriminated against. I wish characters like Andrew Tate were better packaged because what he says is 100% correct
Totally agree with Prof. Aisha. There are radicalised (often downtrodden) men being groomed into misogynistic ideologies, sometimes by money hungry internet personalities, as seen in this comment section.
It's not just Andrew Tate either, there's Jordan Peterson as well, he just hides better because he's a walking thesaurus who steals old ideas squishes them together and makes vulnerable men feel clever. Meanwhile he justifies some really toxic point of views
@@WatchHeadsRoll Why do you think they were? As a young man myself, I can list things off the top of my head as to why we feel attracted to that king of thinking. - This is not and never would be physical. If you actually listened to Andrew Tate, he’s all about being a Man not a woman beater. Yes there’s a clip of him joking about hitting a woman, but joking and actually hitting someone are two different things.
there are no anti-female ideologies, there's nothing formal in any way, shape or form. I know of one school of thought that was was essentially hijacked not long ago, because it is not a formal ideology in any way. these men do not meet, they are relegated to online chat and forums. male TV channels etc. end up cancelled there is a mainstream misandrist ideology though and they do preach destroying men's lives at times, there are books written on it. look up what is psychological projection and you might see how backwards things largely are in reality
there are no misogynistic ideologies, there's nothing formal in any way, shape or form. I know of one school of thought that was was essentially hijacked not long ago, because it is not a formal ideology in any way. these men do not meet, they are relegated to online chat and forums. male TV channels etc. end up cancelled there is a mainstream ideology though that can preach destroying men's lives at times, there are books written on it. look up what is psychological projection and you might see how backwards things largely are in reality
@@K0BRAH95 Loads. Copy and pasting your non-point only shows you up. If death is the only reason to make laws then robbery must be perfectly fine with you.
When rhetoric is not challenged, it grows! When misogyny isn't challenged, women are denied their true worth. Society only grows when both men and women are treated with respect and are equal.
@@jassteers4710 "Society only grows when men and women ...are equal" Society has grown for all 20000 years since the development of Agriculture and it is only 50 years ago that this novel idea of "Gender Equality" came about. If your theory was true, how did Society grow during the time of the Scientific Revolution (15th-18th c.)?
@@joancooney7724Nothing exists in a vacuum though does it? He's not the cause as it's trying to be said. Ignoring why many young men feel disenfranchised isn't going to make the problem go away is it? And just lazily blaming the likes of Tate for it isn't going to either.
I am a bloke...if another bloke expresses 'extreme misogyny' towards me , and then I will claim I am a woman( you know gender fluid BS) . will the man that offended me be prosecuted under the new law??
Give examples of misandry ? are men scared for their lives or safety because of women ? Who is it that enacts violence against men? I think you'll find it other men.Male violence against other men is a problem.
@@SDCLFC1if they aren't misogynist, you have nothing to worry about. Do they respect females, understand consent and treat women as human beings without feelings of superiority or xesually objectifying them? Perhaps you should have a conversation when you address your internalised misogyny.
@@susanplatt5331 Not true - if someone decides they are misogynists then they have something to fear. It is not an easily definable characteristic with distinctively prescribed behaviors. What you just described are aspects that are characteristics which are sbujective to different people. Sure - you think you're going after the Andrew Tate's of the world - well done. But, it will get confused young men and boys who do not understand why the world wants to beat down on the,. "If they are not.......they have nothing to worry about" is literally what the fascists say. Think of an authority coming to stigmitise, condemn and punish your younger brother, your son, your nephew, or your grandfather, simply because they think differently from the authorities. This is unbelievable and absolutely the progressive movement transitioning into fascism.
@@susanplatt5331 men an boys have been target the last few decades without doing anything wrong based on that fact they are male..the issue with tate is he is a symptom not the cause
400 people arrested for wrong think in Russia last year, 3,300 Brits arrested for 'wrong think' posts in UK last year. It's worrying you're more likely to go to prison in the UK for daring to have unpopular opinions in the UK than Russia.
The UK seriously has no other issues than this ! Where is Great British Energy ? Where are the PAYE and NI Tax cuts ? Where are the subsidies to transportation and food ? Where are the rent laws ? Where is the abolition of The House of Lords ?
Labour said nothing about abolishing the house of Lords in their manifesto. They said they would reform it by introducing an age limit and end to hereditary peerage.
@mchard2810 you have MPs, Mayor's and Councillors. I think England could benefit from devolution but let's not pretend that there is no representation.
If young men are constantly scolded and belittled for any expression of healthy masculinity then they're going to be drawn to people who affirm that it's OK to be a dude.
@@Rinahoidhche I think the issue is what men think is healthy masculinity. Cooking a meal for someone is healthy masculinity. Most professional chefs are men. Yet some how men wouldn't think of cooking as masculine. Yall also use to write poetry, paint, where wigs,make up and heels.
I love how "incel" is now the known description. I don't think uk news organisations know it means involuntary celibate that's part of where the radicalism comes from
A phrase coined by a woman to talk about the plight of women who are not seen as attractive. So if they want to target "incels" in the common parlance they really should refer specifically to male incels.
Lot's of people are involuntarily celibate, both gender's. Incel male's are different because they feel entitled to access women and are misogynist in it's worst form.
@@susanplatt5331hold on …they feel entitled to women but also tate who says improve get fit be a man treat women with respect and raise your family properly is the problem is getting them out of this mindset … which one is it you can’t have it both ways and tbh I don’t think most in this comment section understand what tate stands for .
I would suggest they tackle extreme misogyny in the same way they tackle extreme misandry. Just listening to women talk about men these days is disgusting.
Perhaps women wouldn't speak about men the way they do if men hadn't spent year's speaking about and treating women so badly without listening to them.
Andrew Tate must be arrested and put behind the bars asap...He has influenced a lot of boys here in India🇮🇳.Govt need to take a strong action against this extremely dangerous individual
That's really interesting ( but awful of course ). What sort of effects are you seeing with regards to the boys in India that are / have been influenced by him?
This is so unbelievably serious. UK, India, where else? The different classes of 'feminism', have so much harm to women it's untrue. In the West these n e v e r show any support to oppressed, abused, eg, 'guardianship', none. Real women MUST make themselves heard.,. 🌎🌍🌏
"Misogyny" doesn't even really happen in the real world, only in the minds of man-haters who have a fetish for playing the victim. Misandry on the other hand is the real overflowing problem that has it's tentacles wrapped round every facet of the system. Just look at this very "muh label misogyny as extremism", classic example of straight up misandrist tyranny, a desperate attempt to censor and smear men who hold vvomen accountable for their disgraceful behaviour, as "muh hates vvomen", "muh danger to vvomen".
When are we finally going to start tackling extreme misandry that has been destroying this society. It is the most prevalent form of sexism and worryingly has actual real world power. As shown by the fact a conversation such as the one in the video is happening.
@@K0BRAH95 a lot of homeless men die of which i surmide will be due to divorce and the legal system biased in one direction. Ask yiurself why if 39% or more of DV are men why feminist organisations fight tooth and nail to deny it and to block funding?
@@liz-qq9kb my wifes personal trainer, something off about that guy, but still every friday evening she comes home happy and smiling, so i have to deal with it
@@lauraandrew7440 Young boys are brought up to feel entitled towards women and when those expectations aren’t met they react like any other poorly raised child.
Freedom of speech in uk always had restrictions, people don’t even realise over 3000 people arrested last year for saying or posting things online, there’s only one difference and that last year it wasn’t plastered all over the media for obvious reasons
While I appreciate the goal, criminalizing is rarely the best approach. Education, discussion in school about what hurting others means, recognizing ideas intended to cause pain. Campaigns with parents and adults to learn different. It's a lot of work for a long game - not exactly government's strong suit
I would guess it's men who are single, unmarried and can't attract a female partner who may be more likely to follow certain online personalities. I don't know a man who is married with a family and is career focused who has the time, nor interest in those online characters. Man without a family and no purpose has nothing to lose in life.
@@SpenceJS87 there was a certain founder of shelters for the "fairer" gender who actually left the country after getting d threats for exposing the reality of what domestic situations are actually like, look up Erin Pizzey
Andrew Tate is a shyster, charlatan, hypocrite and possibly a criminal... but there is a harsh fact that much of what he says has been found to be very helpful and valued to many men. Myself included TBH. It's the fact that this vacuum is left to people like him that I find so problematic.
Exactly. With 50% of pregnancies unplanned and "her body her choice" means a lot of men with No choice. The lack of reproductive rights for men is one of many issues facing us that society doesnt care about. Males do the messy, dangerous jobs women don't want to, take our lives at 4 times the rate of women, are being failed by the education system at every level, higher sentencing for the same crime, 3 times more likely to end up homeless, earning less than women in the 21-30 age bracket. And no one seems to care. We need to stop discounting male problems as a society, otherwise people like Tate will just continue to gain popularity.
I've witnessed horrendous disgusting language by teenage boys toward women, in public, not on line, in the last year or so that I never thought I would previously.
@@meerkat5818 The preconceptions of Womens roles in certain religions can be considered 'moderate misogny'. Do we ban the religion entirely? Enforce law against it? The issue is in whoever is setting the definition
The issue is nobody in Labour can define EXTREME MISOGYNY. But then again, Starmer has a problem defining what is a woman. The clowns are in charge of the circus I am afraid and the Torries" ineptitude placed them there. You just can't win.
@@ItsDigidyDan Yea we are 🙂We're actually 22nd in the world for gender equality. I know that doesn't sound very high, but those countries vying for the "top spots" are shifting on really small increments.
@@GargantuanD Well, the definition of "terrorism" is: the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims. If anything fits that definition, then, it meets the standard. That's how words work. I know words can be hard for some people...
Oh leave it off. All of you are doing this. There’s a war on women and girls by the opposite group and it’s time to face that fact. It doesn’t matter what your background is. You ALL are doing it and we see that very clearly. Trying to separate yourself into a different group based on religion, culture or whatever isn’t going to stop that. The truth is coming to light. All that other stuff is smoke and mirrors. 😴🚮
@@gailainsley6939 the people we are talking about being misogynistic would say exactly what you said except swap women and girls for men and boys. You are the opposite side of the same coin and are just as much apart of the problem.
I knew a guy from work who's girlfriend left him for another girl and he would listen to people like tate all day like a creepy little incel freak . Tate feeds off weak little mens fears and it work's for him .
People fall into hateful movements when they lose sense of their place in the world. It happens all the time. These people are lost and they get preyed upon by charismatic personalities selling 'secret knowledge' Introspection is hard, and believing you are in on a big secret is easy. That guy from your work may be a legitimate woman-hater; but it's also equally likely that he needs to be shown some kindness. I am in my 30's with a wife and daughter, so thankfully it turned out ok in the end; but i really don't think people (again, particularly women) understand the mental toll it takes when you haven't had a romantic prospect or even non-romantic skin on skin contact in years.
They would do well to properly define the term. Otherwise it could appear as another law specifically meant to target specific individuals..... ""This isn't about criminalising people who are showing signs of an ideology, it is about preventing that ideology." 🙄
it has been thrown around so much that it has basically lost all meaning, anything remotely critical of their gender or not in her absolute interest...
Why is misogyny a universal big problem whereas misandry isn't? I think all of these people who theorize that it's a purely "socially constructed" phenomenon are way off the mark. Yes - social influence plays a key role but there is something about the dynamic between genders that causes men to resent women MORE than women resent men. There's a market and appetite for influencers who play into this feeling of misogynistic resentment - but hang on - why isn't there the same for young women? Why aren't they resenting guys in the same way? on the same scale? I think we need to get to the root cause of the issue and instead of treating young men and women "the same" - look at the issues that tend to affect young men and why they end up feeling this way, why they end up going down this path. Giving guidance and motivation to young lads is something we need a lot more of. Sure - we can criticize the influencers and online social groups that are based around this underlying resentment towards women but tackling the cause is even more important - the state of mental health of young men is the key here. We have millions of young men who can't find a girlfriend, feel worthless, have below average social skills, and feel like life is stacked up against them - they can either go down the route of self-loathing or down the route of projecting that loathing toward women. Is it any wonder that these lads would rather develop a coping mechanism of doing the latter rather than the former? I think we need to stop treating young lads and girls with a "one size fits all" approach and start looking at the unique issues that young lads face - and how to cope with rejection and failure in the dating world. We need to start telling lads that they're not useless if they can't get a date. Focus on self-improvement rather than self-loathing - and the misogyny will just evaporate away.
far more gets said about men online in reality, whereas on many platforms it's heavily filtered in the reverse. comments are scanned and deleted without notice. there's literal books written slagging men off, the reverse wouldn't be allowed
@@carolewynn9407men haven't had to fight for basic rights. Law's of consent were made because of men. Even medical research and practice is misogynist. Misandry is a defence response to misogyny.
Misogyny is rife in parliament and the world. Jess Philips stood up in the commons talking about she seems to be the person they go to for advice. In a bbc,s Naga did a programme where a female mp said they were warned about certain males. One young male kept getting chased round the bar by a drunken lady mp. One young women was told he was too powerful…..
@@simoncox9689 The most targetted victims of ongoing-abuse are not permitted the basic human response of justifiable outrage and anger by you, hmmm? *Telling.* *Abuse* is very permissive in wilfully sexist, classist, ableist, r-cist societies, and the *most common CAUSE* of psychological disorders. Sexism is the main *hierarchal system of oppression* and the main type of *societal abuse.* In a sexist society, it is girls and women who are most targetted and societally-permitted to be abused in all sorts of ways - and police won’t help victims unless badly physically abused as well - which is far *less common* than sexist/misogynistic psychological and situational/coercive control/narcissistic abuse. A la the video; the irresponsible religions/parents/schoolboards/therapists-PERMITTED *androsupremacist terrorism* - in a wilfully sexist society -- is *the CAUSE* of this horrorshow of men and boys today -- *not* women and girls.
Fatherlessness. Nearly 1 in 5 kids in the UK grow up without a father in the home, and only 15% of primary school teachers are now male. Boys and young men are growing up without a male influence in their lives, so it’s no surprise they turn to men like Tate. In their eyes, he’s rich, powerful and successful. Governments and the police can go after Tate all they like, but take him out, and another influencer will rise
people who hate themselves more than often target other to hate for no reason, we need to look at why they hate themselves, usually feelings of inadequacy and that usually comes from lack of education and opportunity, its really just wealth / emotional poverty manifesting itself.
@@serraangel7465Indeed, it's a classic example of right-wing rhetoric: shifting blame onto others, particularly women and minorities. This tactic prevents them from engaging in self-reflection and confronting their own issues.
if you're going to tackle Andrew Tate, you need to understand his appeal... And with respect, seeing a man with fast cars and beautiful women is very appealing to young men, that's not an image someone from the government can compete with.
That's not true. Eventually we all become adult's, responsible for our own actions. We're also influenced by more than just our parents. Blaming mother's is misogynist.
Woman say misandrist things against men all the time. It's always considered a joke, and it's always considered "okay". I've seen women say truly horrific things about men's very high suicid/E rates. As much as these things disgust me they are not terrorism and nor should anyone be punished as if it was.
This will just make young men more frustrated than they already are.
Trying to criminalise emotions, opinions, and expressions is not going to end well.
It's time people were taught emotional maturity rather than hide the parts of the world that upsets them.
Disagree. The misogynists need to be afraid to voice their views in public. Sorry not sorry
@@emanekaf1543what Do you class as misogyny? I don’t know any men that hate women cos that’s what it means …
@DannyShine
Children are vulnerable and to be protected. I don't think anyone would dispute that. I'm talking about adults who display emotional incontinence and demand that authorities treat their (self inflicted) distress as a crime.
@@user-ch8ku6qe3x a distrust of women is just sanity
@@BillGoreArt the authorities are actually looking to treat their emotions as a crime
So out of touch. This is only going to alienate young men more and make them feel like second class citizens more than they already do. Instead of trying to criminalize their thoughts why not try and understand them?
What would you/they like people to understand?
Do you expect the elitecor women to be this intelligent?
they seemingly want men to wake up to the scam that is offered by modern society, the more men that see the game is rigged and how they've been lied to about many, many things, the better. remember, in the modern day, she's not yours, it's just your turn
whose hating who is so blatant these days if you ask me, but could they spell it out any clearer?
What is there to understand? Come on tell us.
I don't think anyone should be espousing extreme hate towards anyone. Men or women. But are we really going to put _nasty words_ and _hurtful comments_ on the same level as *Terrorism!?* It seems exceptionally hyperbolic. The media's sensationalism around "incel culture" is now being taken as the actual truth, instead of being seen for the obvious click bait it is.
No one has the right to _not_ be offended. Anyone can call me anything, and I might be annoyed, but I shouldn't then have the right to report them to the police because my feelings got hurt!
This _encourage friends and neighbours to report one another_ is an absolutely disgusting, dystopian nightmare!
And finally, who the f*ck are any government to decide what is or isn't hateful!? What should or shouldn't be offensive!? It's an incredibly dangerous step which strips people of their right to free speech, disguised as something to protect a group from a problem that's been vastly inflated, to sell papers.
You are not wrong, and you make your points well. Nonetheless, Andrew Tate has said things he would like to do with very young women, which are illegal and very disgusting. At best, it's all lies and bravado to get the "clicks," but I was shocked when I viewed one of his rants
@@rolandrothwell4840 what did he say that you found so shockiing and horrible? I am curious, did he say some Ted Bundy or Deadpool killer type stuff. Women love those guys, many love letters.
“Maybe phrases like toxic masculinity are making men not feel appreciated, driving them towards people like Andrew Tate”
I’m not an Andrew Tate fan but yes, that combined with the rise of people online saying “I hate men”, “men are trash”, “if men didn’t exist the world will be safer”, ect which they never call out whilst always calling out misogyny, that is partly what leads people to move towards people like Andrew Tate, I bet they do nothing about misandry.
No fan of tate, but this whole thing has nothing todo with tate, the problem is mainly in London, the problem started roughly two years Ago!, the problem is we have a class of people all of a sudden who think & see women as subhuman & inferior, thus women from "there" community are Forced Or chose to Completely Cover up! Or dress modestly! & also can't be outside in public without a Man there mosque separate women from the men. Offering three children isn't classes as terro but misogyny is potentially going to be classed as terro...
@@louk597 I don’t know where you side (I’m sorry it was quite hard to tell) but all I’m saying is there are people on the internet saying “if men didn’t exist then the world will be safer/better because………..” and, not only on femcel sites but also on “feminist” sites and they never get removed or demonetised and that’s never called out. All I’m saying is maybe that’s not helping.
@@Tom-iv3ndYou can find people on the Internet saying literally anything. You're cherry picking to create a really, REALLY false equivalence.
The best advice you can give someone is don’t watch mainstream media news
Or LBC
@@Fishcake-y7v How is James O Brien a Bigot?
@@CJ16055 Is that a serious question? 😂
@@Fishcake-y7v Yeh, hes not a bigot. I mean you got an example? You must do right?
@@KierStalin Specifically what bigoted statement has he made? Cos otherwise this is just a feeling of yours
Most criminals and bad men come from single mothers or abusive mother households? Why arent we holding misandry responsibe for the mess they are creating and raising? Why dies siciety never hold these bad women accountable?
So the countermeasure for disenfranchised young men is to ostracise them even more? Yeah, makes perfect sense 🙄
This is a problem that won't go away until the underlying alienation and disillusion is addressed.
This is true. We may not like these people for their views but they need rehabilitation not ignoring. Ignoring is how we ended up with brexit and trump.
@@PaulStargasmto suggest brexit and Trump happened because people felt "ignored' is an absurd simplification and drips with middle class superiority complex and elitist snobbery.
@@digitalbunker4463 how so?
@digitalbunker4463 you assume people with that view are elitist, nigel your mate is an elitist who banks with banks that only take rich people and he promoted brexit 24/7 for years to stay rich and get him and his mates richer off moronic people who believed them.
That vote was due to a complex argument that got simplified and it should not have been and due to that simplification, the uk economy is now the worst it's ever been.
@@PaulStargasm modern men are expected to be awesome and put up with working hard for someone whose not near their level. there's a lot of reasonable complaints from many men in the west these days, though we'll be blamed for what is largely hate from the other side
How is an ideology that women 'must be kept' in a particular place anything other than violence? You're literally talking about people who want to force women to do (or not do) something.
they meen talking about something not acting on it an where that would sit within the law
@@simoncox9689
Thinking leads to talking leads to believing leads to action.
Violence is physical attack not hurty words.
@@OakleyANDSittingBullHow the heck do you stop people thinking, even about unpleasant things? Are the people who come up with films such as the saw or hostel type films not guilty of thinking horrible thoughts?
@@OakleyANDSittingBull How! And Geronimo.
Yes. I have put in words like this, thought (words) - speech - emotion- intention- action.
More succinctly, "You, x, y, z, bad. Bad I dislike, hate. I hurt you."
It's so basic, and our minds being dedicated strongly to energy saving, so, to thinking as little as possible, hence imbecilic violence.
To be honest, I've been passionate about equality since my teens and I feel threatenned by terms like "toxic masculinity" and the non polarized "toxic feminity".
The two terms examined together seem to blame me, a man, for all the problems in the world.
My friend got battered physically and mentally by his ex, so much so that years after his death it was apparent he was so damaged by this treament that he'd never recovered, people knew about it at the time but it was dumbed down and of course he was a man and she was a woman. I cannot believe there's still people out there that refuse to believe this doesn't happen to women let alone men, there are women out there that are just as hateful to men as the other way around, my friend died early this year, we miss him and wish we could of stopped his much prolonged pain, look out for your sons as much as you would your daughters❤
I can sympathise, I know of someone that was treated violently in his relationship and had to leave his home. He was so in love and spent his last if he had to accommodate her demands to keep her pretty image like her friend. At times he would call his parents in fear locking himself in the bedroom to feel safe. He later found out she was messing around with his friends for 8 years and still forgives her infidelity.
On the day he finally decided to leave she taunted him with another guy in their spare bedroom while he packs his belongings.
My mate and her husband were in a state of emotional distress afraid their son would get hurt as he didn't want them to escalate anything.
Today the younger generations regardless of gender, are in a different mindset but also social media, influenced by friends, having to compete academically for higher paid jobs and changes in world economics on a rapid level, all at some point becomes overloaded with burnouts. I feel social media has played a big part in society on the whole trying to achieve what others have, want or live an image that they perceived to be reachable.
People become redundant on a conveyor belt.
Very sad and disturbing times.
the powers that be want the narrative to be one sided, perhaps to divide us
My uncle sadly was a real life victim to mental and physical abuse by a female ex
@@andyo-southpawguitaruk5322 Sadly male abuse is rampant but rarely spoken of or reported because of fear of stigma being weak.
Society empowerment of equality tipping the scale, where people of all genders are afraid to get into relationships. More so straight men because of little reports from them due to the stigma feeling ashamed of being labelled as weak and not manly enough. Some men have suffered for many years into their senior years and resigned to put up with the abuse which makes them more submissive believing it's acceptable for a man to please their partners regardless. Today it's worse as it even shows on social media the extent a man will go to prove their worth at any cost asked of them. The value of a person becomes a price and not of the contents of the person. I'm not saying this doesn't happen in any gender relationship but what I'm saying, men have been suffering much longer making excuses labeling it as possessive love or jealous love.
@@andyo-southpawguitaruk5322
I also was a victim of terrible abuse and raising 2 very young
children. I suffered for 17 years before I got some help from my doctor who saw my brushes. One thing I'm grateful for, is that my children were born during the last 4 years of my 17 years of abuse from their father. My second baby was only 6 months old and my other just turned 5 when I finally got some help.
Physical violence could happen anywhere and people who've already been a victim of any form of abuse are easily susceptible to prolonged fear speaking up that leaves them in limbo of trust, isolation with depression and induced complex mental and anxiety.
To heal and try your best to recover is to join a charity or work supporting others listening or forming a talking therapy group. It's so rewarding and also make new like-minded empathetic people and hopefully becomes a friendship link. 💜
We need to stop minimising this issue as a 'teenage boy' thing. There are fully grown men who think like this, they're far more dangerous to women than pathetic 14 year olds.
Is mysandry being treated the same ? Or is it only misogyny that is a crime ?
@carolewynn9407 you cannot be seriously comparing male violence against women with female violence.
@@susanbishop5228 we're simply asking for the government to treat men and women equally in the eyes of the law... is that too much to ask?
I'm not sure how you punish something when so many people don't know the definition. Sounds about as much use as the war on drugs.
You weren't lucky with men at your adolescence, 😔
can't see this one backfiring at all...
Wonder if all the misogynists will riot?
@@emilymccartney1593 they already did
@@pneumaticFrequency🤡
@@emilymccartney1593 I'm sure nobody will riot as I'm sure the government will never over extend their reach with vague "misogyny" laws...
Stop taking away children's ability to critically think and make decisions for themselves. These children are growing into adults who make poor decisions and can't logically think for themselves. This is the poison chalice we face in society today
This
Children have had access to social media for 20 plus year's. They clearly need help with it.
@@susanplatt5331 no evidence of that
@susanplatt5331 yeah and everything was fine up until the past 5 years certain extreme groups
Why do you think they’re doing it?
They want next gen to be clueless..
And it's not just young men, let's be real...they are learning from older men.
they're reacting to being looked down on, how dare they
@@pneumaticFrequency if they are looked down at then there's a reason for that,
@@stevenmcgee5683yes radical feminism which is inequitable. Women are now paid the same for doing less whilst men are silenced cancelled and actively discriminated against. I wish characters like Andrew Tate were better packaged because what he says is 100% correct
@@stevenmcgee5683 oh, is that right? Then the same can be said about women that are looked down upon surely.
@@MultiLex101 can it ? and dont call me Shirley
Oh someone said something I don’t like…let’s cancel everyone….bc I’m above ridicule…got it
Totally agree with Prof. Aisha. There are radicalised (often downtrodden) men being groomed into misogynistic ideologies, sometimes by money hungry internet personalities, as seen in this comment section.
It's not just Andrew Tate either, there's Jordan Peterson as well, he just hides better because he's a walking thesaurus who steals old ideas squishes them together and makes vulnerable men feel clever. Meanwhile he justifies some really toxic point of views
@@WatchHeadsRoll Why do you think they were?
As a young man myself, I can list things off the top of my head as to why we feel attracted to that king of thinking. - This is not and never would be physical. If you actually listened to Andrew Tate, he’s all about being a Man not a woman beater.
Yes there’s a clip of him joking about hitting a woman, but joking and actually hitting someone are two different things.
They're not ideologies (plural), its just right wing ideology (singular).
there are no anti-female ideologies, there's nothing formal in any way, shape or form. I know of one school of thought that was was essentially hijacked not long ago, because it is not a formal ideology in any way. these men do not meet, they are relegated to online chat and forums. male TV channels etc. end up cancelled
there is a mainstream misandrist ideology though and they do preach destroying men's lives at times, there are books written on it. look up what is psychological projection and you might see how backwards things largely are in reality
there are no misogynistic ideologies, there's nothing formal in any way, shape or form. I know of one school of thought that was was essentially hijacked not long ago, because it is not a formal ideology in any way. these men do not meet, they are relegated to online chat and forums. male TV channels etc. end up cancelled
there is a mainstream ideology though that can preach destroying men's lives at times, there are books written on it. look up what is psychological projection and you might see how backwards things largely are in reality
So extreme misandrist is also terrorism
As a man how many men die cuz of misandry?
@@K0BRAH95 Loads.
Copy and pasting your non-point only shows you up.
If death is the only reason to make laws then robbery must be perfectly fine with you.
@@KriegersBeasts when did I say anything about borders?
@@KriegersBeasts Here's a tin man and a lion to accompany the strawman you just created:
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@@Gambit771 "loads"
[Citation needed]
I can't possibly imagine a law like this being used in a dystopian way... Oh, actually yes i can!
Words.
How will the government tackle words?!?! Fascism.
how will the government tackle extreme corruption within its own ranks?
it's soon to judge new-new-labour
1984 has arrived in the UK.
Well done ladies and gentlemen! 🇬🇧
"When you’re accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression"
You need to re read that book m8
The answer to 1984 is 1776...
@@TheScaryTruthCatalyst lol you'd be the first to run away. But need to be careful encouraging violence there champ
@@TheScaryTruthCatalyst Mate, stop watching every rightoid on RUclips it's cooking your brain lol
When rhetoric is not challenged, it grows! When misogyny isn't challenged, women are denied their true worth. Society only grows when both men and women are treated with respect and are equal.
Are you suggesting some form of pro male agenda to address rhe current imbalances?
@@jassteers4710 by "challenging", you mean Banning?
If so, you're a tyrant and the opponent of Free Speech
Why don’t you tell that to radical feminists? They created this reaction.
@@jassteers4710 "Society only grows when men and women ...are equal"
Society has grown for all 20000 years since the development of Agriculture and it is only 50 years ago that this novel idea of "Gender Equality" came about. If your theory was true, how did Society grow during the time of the Scientific Revolution (15th-18th c.)?
We are not equal .
what a load of rot this is
Lunacy, pure and simple.
Clearly the answer is to put everyone in jail.
don't question the superior gender, go to jail... oh wait, there's no space thanks to the party of law and order
is that where you are posting from ?
Thought-crime
That first caller is 100% right. Hatred towards men, young men in particular is something that pushed young men towards Andrew Tate.
. It’s hate and disrespect for women that drives young men towards Tate
@@joancooney7724 Hate doesn't just spawn out of nowhere.
@@joancooney7724Nothing exists in a vacuum though does it? He's not the cause as it's trying to be said. Ignoring why many young men feel disenfranchised isn't going to make the problem go away is it? And just lazily blaming the likes of Tate for it isn't going to either.
I am a bloke...if another bloke expresses 'extreme misogyny' towards me , and then I will claim I am a woman( you know gender fluid BS) . will the man that offended me be prosecuted under the new law??
No. This comment would be used as evidence that you're disingenuous.
Notice how it only covers misogyny and not misandry?
Strange that isn't it?
don't go thinking the "oppressed" are partly the oppressor... surely not
Give examples of misandry ? are men scared for their lives or safety because of women ? Who is it that enacts violence against men? I think you'll find it other men.Male violence against other men is a problem.
@@upendasana7857 Some are, yes. Just not through direct violence in the street.
Misandry is a response to misogyny. Deal with misogyny and misandry won't be necessary.
@@susanplatt5331 this can't be true. Women can have negative behaviour without prompting.
I don't worry about my sons and boys that I teach being radicalised - I worry about them being targeted by authorities
I think this needs an explanation because I have no clue what you mean.
@@liz-qq9kb Being treated as though they are extreme misogynists when they are nothing of the sort
@@SDCLFC1if they aren't misogynist, you have nothing to worry about. Do they respect females, understand consent and treat women as human beings without feelings of superiority or xesually objectifying them? Perhaps you should have a conversation when you address your internalised misogyny.
@@susanplatt5331 Not true - if someone decides they are misogynists then they have something to fear. It is not an easily definable characteristic with distinctively prescribed behaviors. What you just described are aspects that are characteristics which are sbujective to different people. Sure - you think you're going after the Andrew Tate's of the world - well done. But, it will get confused young men and boys who do not understand why the world wants to beat down on the,.
"If they are not.......they have nothing to worry about" is literally what the fascists say. Think of an authority coming to stigmitise, condemn and punish your younger brother, your son, your nephew, or your grandfather, simply because they think differently from the authorities. This is unbelievable and absolutely the progressive movement transitioning into fascism.
@@susanplatt5331 men an boys have been target the last few decades without doing anything wrong based on that fact they are male..the issue with tate is he is a symptom not the cause
What happens if the misogynist identifies as a female?
Who cares.
expect the police on your front door
Irrelevant
Women can be misogynistic. Irrelevant point.
Internalised misogyny is a thing
400 people arrested for wrong think in Russia last year, 3,300 Brits arrested for 'wrong think' posts in UK last year. It's worrying you're more likely to go to prison in the UK for daring to have unpopular opinions in the UK than Russia.
if it was just thoughts then nobody would have gotten arrested mate
💯 the man, especially young men is not appreciated. All attention is on what girls and women want, but never what the young men need.
The UK seriously has no other issues than this !
Where is Great British Energy ? Where are the PAYE and NI Tax cuts ?
Where are the subsidies to transportation and food ?
Where are the rent laws ?
Where is the abolition of The House of Lords ?
Election was on 4th July dude. Relax. They have 5 years. They'll get there.
Labour said nothing about abolishing the house of Lords in their manifesto. They said they would reform it by introducing an age limit and end to hereditary peerage.
Well said. People dont see this. Its Rich vs Poor, divide and rule. And so many bats are falling for it
Where is representative democracy in England?
@mchard2810 you have MPs, Mayor's and Councillors. I think England could benefit from devolution but let's not pretend that there is no representation.
Misogyny is a crime? Since when? UK has gone crazy.
it is a social problem and so is misandry
England, you mean England.
@@obaidaserdar1780 labour won't bother with the misandry part though
@@alexanderferguson2199No Britain. Are you somewhat slow
Hard for incels to see the direction this is heading I guess
You can't criticise Tate he's a muslim and one of two-tiers protected groups
If young men are constantly scolded and belittled for any expression of healthy masculinity then they're going to be drawn to people who affirm that it's OK to be a dude.
@@Rinahoidhche I think the issue is what men think is healthy masculinity. Cooking a meal for someone is healthy masculinity. Most professional chefs are men. Yet some how men wouldn't think of cooking as masculine. Yall also use to write poetry, paint, where wigs,make up and heels.
@@serraangel7465 You clearly have no idea what masculinity is.
@@serraangel7465 an your kind of thinking is why men get drawn to people like tate...an this law will just make the problem worse
@@alanmckay7040 Enlighten us, what do you think masculinity is?
Try and articulate yourself.
@@MrGrifft The opposite of femininity.
Sounds like 1932 in a certain country and we know how that ended up.
The comments are just full of misogyny. Oh the irony!
Explain how the comments are full of misogyny please
cat lady, name checks out...
Cat lady with a Palestine flag . Prat.
Example?
Terrorist flag detected, opinion rejected.
I love how "incel" is now the known description. I don't think uk news organisations know it means involuntary celibate that's part of where the radicalism comes from
A phrase coined by a woman to talk about the plight of women who are not seen as attractive.
So if they want to target "incels" in the common parlance they really should refer specifically to male incels.
Lot's of people are involuntarily celibate, both gender's. Incel male's are different because they feel entitled to access women and are misogynist in it's worst form.
Randy old ladies who enjoy the company of young men. Don't be ashamed. Come forward and nurture youths through puberty in a warm embrace
@@susanplatt5331hold on …they feel entitled to women but also tate who says improve get fit be a man treat women with respect and raise your family properly is the problem is getting them out of this mindset … which one is it you can’t have it both ways and tbh I don’t think most in this comment section understand what tate stands for .
@@user-ch8ku6qe3xif you believe that's the message tate gives, you have a serious problem.
I would suggest they tackle extreme misogyny in the same way they tackle extreme misandry. Just listening to women talk about men these days is disgusting.
Perhaps women wouldn't speak about men the way they do if men hadn't spent year's speaking about and treating women so badly without listening to them.
@@susanplatt5331
Feminism should be illegal.
Hating on men should be illegal.
Zero tolerance
@@susanplatt5331 if misandry was a crime you'd be arrested
They won't because feminism is about superiority not equality.
Don't we have laws in place to deal will incitement to hate and violence?
Silly debate.
Misogyny wasn't on the list of hate crimes, it's long overdue to be.
@@susanplatt5331 is hate crime treated as terrorism?
@@ItsDigidyDanin some instances, yes.
@@susanplatt5331 what kinds of instances?
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The woke mind virus
Andrew Tate must be arrested and put behind the bars asap...He has influenced a lot of boys here in India🇮🇳.Govt need to take a strong action against this extremely dangerous individual
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Hahahahahahajjaja ha
That's really interesting ( but awful of course ). What sort of effects are you seeing with regards to the boys in India that are / have been influenced by him?
😂😂😂😂mental
This is so unbelievably serious. UK, India, where else?
The different classes of 'feminism', have so much harm to women it's untrue.
In the West these n e v e r show any support to oppressed, abused, eg, 'guardianship', none.
Real women MUST make themselves heard.,.
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Just amazing the twisting happening to ignore the real problems.
First, let's talk about and debate everything in the open, rather than labelling, denouncing, and shutting them down.
And is this going to work the opposite way too or are we going to pretend man hating doesn't exist?
I’m glad this is finally being addressed, Tate et al are disgusting and have been a growing problem for a long time.
Tate and who though?
is man bashing just fine and not likely to cause any backlash? it's gone on for decades, so it's long overdue
So you don't like him.MMmmh..Makes me thinking.. Could there be truth in what he is saying?
At this point extreme mysogony is the least of the UK's problems. Mysogony today , far right extremism tomorrow 🤔
"Misogyny" doesn't even really happen in the real world, only in the minds of man-haters who have a fetish for playing the victim. Misandry on the other hand is the real overflowing problem that has it's tentacles wrapped round every facet of the system. Just look at this very "muh label misogyny as extremism", classic example of straight up misandrist tyranny, a desperate attempt to censor and smear men who hold vvomen accountable for their disgraceful behaviour, as "muh hates vvomen", "muh danger to vvomen".
@@pjabber5679You're not making any sense.
When are we finally going to start tackling extreme misandry that has been destroying this society.
It is the most prevalent form of sexism and worryingly has actual real world power.
As shown by the fact a conversation such as the one in the video is happening.
How many men have died from misandry? (Not saying there isn’t misandry but….)
@@K0BRAH95 Loads.
Do you think you made a point with that comment?
@@K0BRAH95 a lot of homeless men die of which i surmide will be due to divorce and the legal system biased in one direction. Ask yiurself why if 39% or more of DV are men why feminist organisations fight tooth and nail to deny it and to block funding?
@@Gambit771 How many men are r'd and m'd by women compared with vice versa?
If you see a mouse and an elephant, are you able to tell which is bigger?
@@gordonstrong5232 so because it's less common, we should prosecute the same crime differently? Why?
All this talk about womens rights, when can we talk about womens wrongs.
@@K-Dot94 such as?
@@liz-qq9kb my wifes personal trainer, something off about that guy, but still every friday evening she comes home happy and smiling, so i have to deal with it
@@K-Dot94 A thousand points for 'things that never happened'
@@K-Dot94hire a private investigator. She might be getting some cardio in during these training sessions
@@UnseemlyGenie00 definitely, comes home drenched in sweat every week
This comment section is why they choose the bear.
Very much so. People really did just race here to prove why this is needed 😢
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@@lauraandrew7440 Young boys are brought up to feel entitled towards women and when those expectations aren’t met they react like any other poorly raised child.
@@lauraandrew7440 an yet it only goes one way
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The same way they tackle freedom of speech
Be quiet 🤔
Freedom of speech in uk always had restrictions, people don’t even realise over 3000 people arrested last year for saying or posting things online, there’s only one difference and that last year it wasn’t plastered all over the media for obvious reasons
While I appreciate the goal, criminalizing is rarely the best approach. Education, discussion in school about what hurting others means, recognizing ideas intended to cause pain. Campaigns with parents and adults to learn different. It's a lot of work for a long game - not exactly government's strong suit
You mean education camps?...for reprogramming?
While you're already arresting people for thought crimes
When you act by publishing your thought, they are no longer thought crimes. Nobody can arrest you for the nonsense that stays in your head, cupcake.
I would guess it's men who are single, unmarried and can't attract a female partner who may be more likely to follow certain online personalities. I don't know a man who is married with a family and is career focused who has the time, nor interest in those online characters. Man without a family and no purpose has nothing to lose in life.
Ask the victim, male or female, of physical violence what they did to trigger the violence. The answer will normally be I was there.
in many cases, she initiated it
@@pneumaticFrequency for DV it's most cases.
@@pneumaticFrequencySource?
@@SpenceJS87 there was a certain founder of shelters for the "fairer" gender who actually left the country after getting d threats for exposing the reality of what domestic situations are actually like, look up Erin Pizzey
Violence and *psychological androsupremacist terrorism* are two different things that sometimes intersect.
Andrew Tate is a shyster, charlatan, hypocrite and possibly a criminal... but there is a harsh fact that much of what he says has been found to be very helpful and valued to many men. Myself included TBH.
It's the fact that this vacuum is left to people like him that I find so problematic.
Bang on!!!
Exactly!
He´s one of few.. Who talks about those issues. No wonder..So many children grow up without a father, because "My body, my choice".
Exactly. With 50% of pregnancies unplanned and "her body her choice" means a lot of men with No choice. The lack of reproductive rights for men is one of many issues facing us that society doesnt care about. Males do the messy, dangerous jobs women don't want to, take our lives at 4 times the rate of women, are being failed by the education system at every level, higher sentencing for the same crime, 3 times more likely to end up homeless, earning less than women in the 21-30 age bracket. And no one seems to care. We need to stop discounting male problems as a society, otherwise people like Tate will just continue to gain popularity.
I've witnessed horrendous disgusting language by teenage boys toward women, in public, not on line, in the last year or so that I never thought I would previously.
who would have thought that men might retaliate
This country is a mess it has been since 2010
Since 1997 when the floodgates opened and laws were changed
What laws were changed, please explain I'm curious? @@user-ug8wx5er1w
I am against extreme misogyny, but to compare it to terrorism is crazy.
supporting r4p3 is pretty close to terrorism
You're okay with moderate misogyny then
@@meerkat5818 The preconceptions of Womens roles in certain religions can be considered 'moderate misogny'. Do we ban the religion entirely? Enforce law against it? The issue is in whoever is setting the definition
@@meerkat5818 I can't believe thats what you took from my comment.
The issue is nobody in Labour can define EXTREME MISOGYNY. But then again, Starmer has a problem defining what is a woman. The clowns are in charge of the circus I am afraid and the Torries" ineptitude placed them there. You just can't win.
We as a society have moved on from those prehistoric caveman days
Yes but we have new cultures arriving on mass now.
Many haven't.
Many men haven't
Yeah .... but we survived 4 massive ice ages, sabre tooth tigers, and hunted woolly mammoths.
You lot are a tangled mess in the UK!
Nah, we're ok.
@@reaceness nah, we're not
@@ItsDigidyDan Yea we are 🙂We're actually 22nd in the world for gender equality. I know that doesn't sound very high, but those countries vying for the "top spots" are shifting on really small increments.
@@reacenessif you think treating misogyny as terrorism is correct then there is no hope for you.
@@GargantuanD Well, the definition of "terrorism" is: the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims. If anything fits that definition, then, it meets the standard. That's how words work. I know words can be hard for some people...
Will you report men who agree with the Quran's teachings on how to treat women?
Which teachings? Tell me them word for word.
Have you read the old testament? 😂
@@emilymccartney1593nice side step but did you know jesus came to fulfil the law ? Ie mo more old testament. So whats the answe to yhe question
@@youtubeyoutube936
Jews and Catholics follow the old testament.
@@youtubeyoutube936
Jewish and Catholics practice the old testament.
Like we care, this law will create more problems to women than to men
How so?
@@bothi00Males who Identify as a Woman will be included...
@@bothi00because as Israel is discovering.... No matter how much you control the media.... You won't stop what people think in real life
The ‘outrage industry’ at LBC continues unabated!
LBC went Wokey, Lefty years ago.
Communist and police state - The UK 🇬🇧 :(
Tell me you don't know what communism is, without telling me.
@@tryingmybest9819 not far from a police state with laws like this
@@simoncox9689 OK dude. Whatever you say.
How can we Express our 'appreciation' of young white men? What in this context is appreciation?
try not to treat them as an underclass
@@jenkinsmanly-spain1252 I'd say the women & young females up North disagree.
@pneumaticFrequency what would that look like?
Oh leave it off. All of you are doing this. There’s a war on women and girls by the opposite group and it’s time to face that fact. It doesn’t matter what your background is. You ALL are doing it and we see that very clearly. Trying to separate yourself into a different group based on religion, culture or whatever isn’t going to stop that. The truth is coming to light. All that other stuff is smoke and mirrors. 😴🚮
@@gailainsley6939 the people we are talking about being misogynistic would say exactly what you said except swap women and girls for men and boys. You are the opposite side of the same coin and are just as much apart of the problem.
I knew a guy from work who's girlfriend left him for another girl and he would listen to people like tate all day like a creepy little incel freak . Tate feeds off weak little mens fears and it work's for him .
I just hadnt realised how many weak men there were till people like tate started getting them to stand up and self identify.
@@lauraandrew7440
The same goes with feminist.
A female Tate
Ahem... Vulnerable.
People fall into hateful movements when they lose sense of their place in the world. It happens all the time.
These people are lost and they get preyed upon by charismatic personalities selling 'secret knowledge'
Introspection is hard, and believing you are in on a big secret is easy.
That guy from your work may be a legitimate woman-hater; but it's also equally likely that he needs to be shown some kindness.
I am in my 30's with a wife and daughter, so thankfully it turned out ok in the end; but i really don't think people (again, particularly women) understand the mental toll it takes when you haven't had a romantic prospect or even non-romantic skin on skin contact in years.
The guy got cheated on, she was in the wrong. No wonder it made him bitter, and youre defending the cheater
Let's point the finger at Taters instead of the people with the actual power. How boring and predictable.
They / he have the power to radicalise young men, this is the problem.
Andrew Tate has a strong influence. Of course it's bad influence...
Victim
@@C.Steamer I don't think young men are being radicalised into violent misogyny by Keir Starmer mate 🤦♂️
LBC viewers were born yesterday😂
What about toxic misandry?
Also no, taking about traits common in men that lead to women being treated badly did not cause those traits to exist
Oh dear, its all the mens fault.....as usual....😊
What extreme misogyny? The majority of indigenous British men love women. Maybe she's had problems within her own family regarding misogyny.
Apart from the women murdered by family of course
@@susanbishop5228
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They would do well to properly define the term. Otherwise it could appear as another law specifically meant to target specific individuals.....
""This isn't about criminalising people who are showing signs of an ideology, it is about preventing that ideology."
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it has been thrown around so much that it has basically lost all meaning, anything remotely critical of their gender or not in her absolute interest...
@pneumaticFrequency just because some random on twitter misuses the word doenst mean it has no definition
Although actions does need to be taken, this kind of prejudice is the symptom of a sick society that damages it's people.
Why is misogyny a universal big problem whereas misandry isn't?
I think all of these people who theorize that it's a purely "socially constructed" phenomenon are way off the mark.
Yes - social influence plays a key role but there is something about the dynamic between genders that causes men to resent women MORE than women resent men.
There's a market and appetite for influencers who play into this feeling of misogynistic resentment - but hang on - why isn't there the same for young women?
Why aren't they resenting guys in the same way? on the same scale?
I think we need to get to the root cause of the issue and instead of treating young men and women "the same" - look at the issues that tend to affect young men and why they end up feeling this way, why they end up going down this path.
Giving guidance and motivation to young lads is something we need a lot more of.
Sure - we can criticize the influencers and online social groups that are based around this underlying resentment towards women but tackling the cause is even more important - the state of mental health of young men is the key here.
We have millions of young men who can't find a girlfriend, feel worthless, have below average social skills, and feel like life is stacked up against them - they can either go down the route of self-loathing or down the route of projecting that loathing toward women.
Is it any wonder that these lads would rather develop a coping mechanism of doing the latter rather than the former?
I think we need to stop treating young lads and girls with a "one size fits all" approach and start looking at the unique issues that young lads face - and how to cope with rejection and failure in the dating world. We need to start telling lads that they're not useless if they can't get a date. Focus on self-improvement rather than self-loathing - and the misogyny will just evaporate away.
Bingo, and the constant dismisal of male suicide and censorship
We need to ask .As now there is research going on to impregnate trans gender men .Do we need woman at all
far more gets said about men online in reality, whereas on many platforms it's heavily filtered in the reverse. comments are scanned and deleted without notice. there's literal books written slagging men off, the reverse wouldn't be allowed
Oh my word 😂
Because that would go against the ((narrative))
Is misogyny a crime? Surely, it has to be expressed to be deemed as such, if it was just in someone's head, are you saying that's a crime?
Everything is a crime if you do not think exactly like them.
As a man, you aren't on the receiving end of misogyny. Women are but because of your misogyny, you refuse to hear us.
@@susanplatt5331 A woman isn't on the receiving end of mysandry, but because of your mysandry refuse to hear men.
@@carolewynn9407men haven't had to fight for basic rights. Law's of consent were made because of men. Even medical research and practice is misogynist. Misandry is a defence response to misogyny.
Why does the media employ people like Tom . ?
He's cheap !
In more ways than one.
because he is a loony lefty.
@brianferguson7840 correct and that's just one reason why. He is pushing the leftist narrative and shoving it down people's throats .
He typifies the London bubble lefty
Cos he will spout whatever he’s told to for a paycheck same as all media bbc sky gb whoever …
Dont hate em, just don’t trust em and will not have em anywhere near me
And how will the government tackle extreme misandry?
Why should they tackle it? They're encouraging it.
What about misandry?
@DannyShine I agree however what causes divice and anger is by policies like this only focusing on one gender.
What about meeeeeeee
Pay meeeee attention
@@emmabrooker166 yes, please, that's really all we ask, that we get the same attention as everyone else
@@emmabrooker166thats actually women who are always attention seeking
Misandry is not seen as a problem, only misogyny because feminism does not want equality but superiority.
funny they dont mention anything about the muslim comunities how they treat women, just people like tate who talk the truth..
How exactly does the Muslim community treats the women which you found is not ok?
@@palwansadik7826 Forced Marriage ,FGM ,Separate entrances at the Mosque, Forced to wear a Burka .many things TBH
@@TheAsa1972deluded 🤦
@@BrodaPaul how so?
How can Labour introduce this law if they can't even define what a woman is?
Men standing up for themselves is a serious threat to some peoples
These boys include young men in philosophy clubs.
Jonathan Hall KC has no experience of Social medias impact on the weak male mind.
Same way it treats criminals. Set them freeeee weeee😂. Get bars on your windows people 😬
Misogyny is rife in parliament and the world. Jess Philips stood up in the commons talking about she seems to be the person they go to for advice. In a bbc,s Naga did a programme where a female mp said they were warned about certain males. One young male kept getting chased round the bar by a drunken lady mp. One young women was told he was too powerful…..
Jess Phillips is great at deciding what misogyny is, but can she define what is a man?
Only need to look at the venom spouted in these comments for even daring to discuss it to see how bad this problem is, truly vile.
You watch the BBC 😂 your opinion ends there.
@@lauraandrew7440 it is vile but i see just has much is not more said by women then men
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The most targetted victims of ongoing-abuse are not permitted the basic human response of justifiable outrage and anger by you, hmmm? *Telling.*
*Abuse* is very permissive in wilfully sexist, classist, ableist, r-cist societies, and the *most common CAUSE* of psychological disorders. Sexism is the main *hierarchal system of oppression* and the main type of *societal abuse.* In a sexist society, it is girls and women who are most targetted and societally-permitted to be abused in all sorts of ways - and police won’t help victims unless badly physically abused as well - which is far *less common* than sexist/misogynistic psychological and situational/coercive control/narcissistic abuse. A la the video; the irresponsible religions/parents/schoolboards/therapists-PERMITTED *androsupremacist terrorism* - in a wilfully sexist society -- is *the CAUSE* of this horrorshow of men and boys today -- *not* women and girls.
Start with burkas
Fatherlessness. Nearly 1 in 5 kids in the UK grow up without a father in the home, and only 15% of primary school teachers are now male. Boys and young men are growing up without a male influence in their lives, so it’s no surprise they turn to men like Tate. In their eyes, he’s rich, powerful and successful. Governments and the police can go after Tate all they like, but take him out, and another influencer will rise
Religious quotes presumably not included?
people who hate themselves more than often target other to hate for no reason, we need to look at why they hate themselves, usually feelings of inadequacy and that usually comes from lack of education and opportunity, its really just wealth / emotional poverty manifesting itself.
From the comments it sounds like men, would rather blame women for male behavior instead of trying to be better men.
@@serraangel7465Indeed, it's a classic example of right-wing rhetoric: shifting blame onto others, particularly women and minorities. This tactic prevents them from engaging in self-reflection and confronting their own issues.
@@McKluskie Or maybe we just don’t like our historical social leadership position getting taken away or challenged. Never thought of that, Kant?
Has Tom blamed Hamas yet?
What is a woman?
if you're going to tackle Andrew Tate, you need to understand his appeal...
And with respect, seeing a man with fast cars and beautiful women is very appealing to young men, that's not an image someone from the government can compete with.
It all starts at home with parenting. No one else to blame but parents.
Yes it's the mother's. Telling men to stand up to bullying
That's not true. Eventually we all become adult's, responsible for our own actions. We're also influenced by more than just our parents. Blaming mother's is misogynist.
@@susanplatt5331 "no one else to blame but parents"
No one mentioned blaming just the mother... you're on a hair trigger aren't you