The Secrets of Demolition Man Explained
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- Last week we started our exploration of themes in classic sci fi films with a look into The Fifth Element. This week, we move on to Demolition Man, a movie that is loaded with hidden messages.
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4:40 _"if John Spartan doesn't bust in there so brashly then maybe the hostages would still be alive."_
But Simon Phoenix already killed the hostages long before John entered the building.
There's some debate about whether or not Phoenix was telling the truth about this given the forensic-related plothole this creates. Though there is a slight pre-fire possibility. But whether they died because of him or not, the point is, Spartan did bust into that building without hesitation when there could have been hostages in it. He did a thermal scan to be fair, but it's stated that he didn't follow protocol. So, should he have? Also, should he have been held criminally responsible for the deaths of the hostages (given that the state at least believed that they weren't dead when he went into the building)? The movie's version of 1996 says "yes".
Writer: Yes, Spartan should be held responsible.
Producer: But what if the hostages were already dead?
Writer: Doesn't matter.
Producer: Why?
Writer: So the movie can happen.
Producer: Well okay then.
@@USmerica wow, wow, wow, wow!
@@GenerationFilms he was innocent I was there they were dead I survived by going invisible my body heat disappears when I turn invisible so he’s innocent
It was made quite clear that they were already dead and Spartan was set up by Phoenix.
The real philosophical mystery of this movie was the 3 sea shells...
You don't know how to use the sea shells? Lolz
@@isaacgriffin5690 🤣👌
Indeed 😁
Truth
There's nan article that explains it. & its NASTY. 🤮
When Edgar Friendly said "I want high cholesterol, I wanna eat bacon, burgers, and buckets of cheese" he wasn't stating he wanted a bad diet, he was advocating the ability to have the choice to make bad personal decisions (that obviously don't fall in the realm of obvious crime like murder, rape or theft) without the government trying to punish him for it.
Nah, that was Dennis Leary reminding the director of the riders in his contract.
The second half of that is more to the point:
Cocteau's way is a 47yr old virgin in beige pajamas drinking a banana-brocolli shake singing I'm an Oscar Mayer weiner.
Why the hell does no one mention running naked covered in green jello🤣🤣
@@jamesmichael5 one of my favorite lines..."Why? Because I might feel the need"😂
It s fine as long as you can't depend on public resources for assistance when poor diet and decisions come knocking lol
This movie seems to get better as it age
That's cos these days big budget studios chase big budget explosions and action sequences
Because the movie is quickly becoming a documentary
80%of the movie is reality today. Only like 3 missing pieces to make it a 100% prediction
I think you should write a spin off series about cocteaus little fat gay friend. An underrated character with a great hair cut
I'm 100% convinced Bungie named the Master Chief in HALO after John Spartan. Master chiefs name is John, hes a Spartan. John Spartan.
That's actually the reason, it's a bit of fun trivia in the halo community 😇
Oh neat
Oh wow didn't know that now I am a fan
This movie predicted so much.
Handheld tablets with skype calls.
GPS in cars.
Searching the Internet.
Retinal Scanners.
Wifi.
Enforced Censorship of free speech.
Zoom meetings at work places.
Mostly everyone seems to have a phone or tablet.
Majority of the people are homeless and not rich enough to live in California.
Food franchise wars.
Self driving cars.
Biometric implants.
Voice activated appliances.
Wall to wall mini-tunes, is tiktok.
No party zones.
No contact sports.
Banning of cigarettes.
And people offended by everything.
But then it gets creepy.
In 2005. A man named Scott Peterson killed his wife. And went to prison.
In the cryogenic prison scene, the female voice announces the prisoner name Peterson, Scott.
Of all the futures we could have had ...we ended up in demolition man.
@@dreamlogic.v3390 I think we actually we ended up with a blend of Demolition Man and Idiocracy.
@@JustinLaFleur1990 When Schwarzenegger became governor for California, this film is the first thing I thought of :)
I forget, was Arnold mentioned in Demolition Man?
Prophetic visions perhaps,
I liked when Edgar says
"I'm no leader, I just do what I have to and sometimes people come with me."
It shows his disdain for authority
Friendly is basically a free spirited anarchist...
Watched this and the fifth element in cinemas in my mid teens and I love both. The great bright visuals and fun feels have made them a yearly watch at least
Exactly. Sounds simple but it's so true. They're bright, happy, and fun.
@@GenerationFilms both having big action stars doing more light heated spins on their established roles with beautiful, lovable, goofy lead ladies helped
I just have to say, Wesley Snipes tire armour is by far the best use of old tires to date!
Hey Amirecan Ben, I know you are disappointed about the copyright thing, but this video was great and very watchable. Thank you bro! Don't avoid WB movies if you have something to say. I really appreciated this essay.
Thx Jake, means a lot.
Movie criticts are as important as free press for society. It show’ssa where movies gives as ideas to think and also show those that are just mindless mess! So these videos are important. I don`t agree everything haet is said in this, but i agree that the ideas in here need some time to think about! And that is what these videos are good for. Make people think in their own brains.
It's sad when contented creators get hit with copyright strikes over videos that clearly fall under fair use. It's even worse that RUclips doesn't support its content and allows these copyright strikes to go through, not caring that the content creator is in the right because of fair use.
@@Riceball01 Especially over a 28 year old movie. It's not like they're making buckets of money with it. As he mentioned, a good review of a movie over 10 years old can boost the secondary market dvd/blue ray sales. Right now the only place I've even seen a copy is in the Walmart $1 bin.
Please continue these reviews to help keep studios from producing propaganda to push their desired social changes.
Maybe Warner Bros. doesn't deserve a video by you, if they treat you like that!
edit: Ben realized that himself. Great guy!
I've heard this same complaint from several people who've done synopsis of this movie.
He actually ended up getting to show the most footage I've seen on YT.
Maybe they’re thinking about making a modern remake of this movie and don’t want too much optics on the original?
Simón Phoenix said it himself that "the hostages were already dead! Cold as haagen dazs" i think was the actual line
Actually, the hostages that Simon Phoenix had were presumably killed by the explosion! But when John Spartan met up with Simon Phoenix in the future, it was revealed that Simon had set up John to take the fall for those hostages' deaths, & all were already dead before the explosion occurred!
But how did Simon know john would rush in, what if it had been another officer.
@@bharatkrishna7082 Bingo! Simon could have just told Spartan that in the future to get a rise out of him, knowing he lost his family.
This movie aged soo well. I love it.
One of my all-time favorite movies. Haven't watched since early 2000s time to rewatch!
*Suggestion:* Best Teachers, Masters, and Mentors in Films/TV.
Demolition Man is one of my fav movies. It was one of the few that if you stumbled across while channel surfing you always stayed to watch it finish. And boy did it get played on a LOT of channels and fairly often too.
Your intro made me think you'd have a lot less footage then you ended up showing.
This is still a good video! Keep up the great work!
You definitely deserve more views!
one of the dumb things is that firearm phenix found was not rendered inoperable...
@@SubtleAmbition sure. but when they banned the guns and removed them from society...that wasn't the case...
@@SubtleAmbition yeah...but which came first the ban on weapons or the society that is obediently not using them..I would say the ban was first. And if thats the case the there were still people who were willing to use weapons for which a oversight of not rendering them inoperable them is pretty big.
That was part of the plan to arm Phoenix by the tyrant at the head of that society.
@@stratometal Well that makes a little more sense than that the tyrant was just careless...
We are probably going to end up living this future.
Like this... minus the utopia. More 1984.
@@stevet1396 And the proper response to "1984" is 1776!
MOLON LABE!
Spartan is a good cop, with good sense of morals and a good grasp of pragmatic ethics. Sometimes you've gotta kick ass. Sometimes, you should take care of people who need help.
We used to say, "I am Spartacus!" Now..."I am John Spartan!"
@Rogue Jedi Lighten up, Francis.
@Rogue Jedi yup
I have always said...I AM MULLETMAN fear my glorious hair and fists...since 2003 atleast lmao was 13 then...and yes my fists have come up to obstinate foes...usually we become friends after though hahaha such is life.
@Rogue Jedi JOHN-117 SPARTAN HAS A REVELATION FOR YOU SONNY.
@Rogue Jedi you spelled 117 wrong...
Later in the movie Simon reveals to John that the hostages in the beginning were already dead. He used Spartans brashness against him and framed him for those 30 murder death kills.
I agree with everything this guy says about the movie. It's amazing how relevant DM is today. Especially the "Schwarzenegger Presidential Library".
One of my favorites movies too even though I haven't seen it for a while. You brought up some interesting points that never occurred to me when I watched it.
"I'm tired as hell and going to balance myself with some sleep"...as I'm watching this at 4am🤣🤣
Dang it!!!! 3:30 minutes in and I almost thought you’d get away without bringing up the expanse. ❤️
😂😂You caught it!
You are fine, don't apologize for the company that tried to sue people for singing happy birthday. YOU are better than that. thank you for your content
I love these sci-fi movies of the 90s
Sadly I think the world seems like going to a world such as the one in Demolition Man.
It is. Thought police are at our door and every corner.
I saw this film on Netflix and just started watching it and it was great, then I went on RUclips and saw this and it’s great. So sorry about the backlash from WB American Ben but you and and the whole Generation team are all great. Thanks for posting good content which nowadays is hard to find
Thx Luca, yeah sorry about the opening, I was just super frustrated and maybe a bit exhausted.
Violence is as messy situation. That mess is not always physical in nature. I think Spartan used just what he had to to subdue the threats. Sometimes the threat created a situation with no clean outcome
Violence rarely has a clean outcome. There are very few clear cut cases of good vs evil. Spartan is someone who thrives in the grey area, like most protectors do. He uses violence as a means to protect people from the violent criminals who would prey upon them.
Unless you can explain the 3 seashells, I don't know what we're doing here.....
Depository
Love the breakdown.. Cuz my uncle looks just like Wesley Snipes 😆
What!!!!????
I still wanna know TWO things about what happend before and in the movie:
1. What are the "Franchise Wars"? Did every big Franchise got their own soldiers and fought the other ones? Like McDonalds invaded Burger King while Taco Bell (or Pizza Hut for the International Movie) backstabbed KFC or something like this?
2. What are the 3 Seashells? And what happend to all the toilet paper?
(Looks back to the toilet paper shortage of 2020)
Well, my guess for franchise war would be cities releasing a limited spot for certain restaurants as part of limiting too much branching of the same thing. It might backfire when the spots were sold in the black market just like a stock market bribery and certain politicians backing certain brands might instigate it into a stock war. Adding franchise shop owners switching sides might put the last nail to the coffin.
For 3 seashells there were many explanations for it and paper probably became a higher commodity than something reusable.
Hello Generation Films I loved Demolition Man when I saw it, too, though I was maybe too young to get the finer points of it (I think I was 13 when I watched it on skiing vacation in Austria it was on in the evening, and yes, I watched it in German). I agree with your analysis of the Film in General though the setting itself is rather Utopian - which serves the purpose of the film so I'm not complaining, just pointing out that it's not very realistic. Even in the humanly best society possible (currently Norway and Iceland) LEO's still train with firearms and carry them openly (though they couldn't stop Anders Breivik from killing 77 people). Now, Iceland and Norway have very little violent crime but as you've pointed out, humans always have a manic element that can lead to violence following little to no provocation, so armed and trained police will likely always be necessary. The scraps could probably easily overthrow the government with their violent tendencies even without firearms, because they pretty much constantly practice fighting and are physically superior to anyone topside (except for John Spartan and Simon Phoenix). All they lack are numbers, and apparently, imagination and motivation, a galvanizing force.
On the matter of balance in society, I believe it is important to let people decide if they want fun (without harming others) or health, though those aren't always mutually exclusive. In fact, all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy, and that movie has a very unhealthy ending... But everyone needs to decide for themselves how much of either side they need, for whatever goal they have in life. Btw I don't consider consenting adults pounding each other with their fists harming each other. I practiced martial arts and instruct self defense and resistive training is important for both, and that usually entails physically hurting one another (moderately)
John Spartan is the ideal American.
Thank you for coming to my TED talk.
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"An armed society is a polite society."
Honestly, Ben, this is one of your best critiques. Bravo.
his a clown his a left winger
I still watched the hole thing your professionalism more than makes up for the fact you have your hands tied keep up the good work
That old guy cop who worked with and remembered Spartan when the old guy was a young cop. I retired after 22 years in my 40s (55 now) and at the reunion, the cops I used to work with are in their 60s, 70s, and even 80s. I saw them as they were. It's a trip.
Demolition Man, Running Man and Fifth Element are my all time favorites in the genre with Total Recall being pretty close to those three.
Going to do both The Running Man and Total Recall in the coming months if this series is successful.
@generation films, I think Kingdom of Heaven would be a good movie to do for this series.
I'll put this down on my list!
The last Murder-Death-Kill was in 2010 in this movie in Los Angeles. So many words are getting in the way of a response
Gotta love the 90's , simple plots but fun hard hitting concepts
I would like to have seen a movie where Chief George Earle gets a little dirty and Edgar Friendly gets a lot clean and somewhere in the middle they figure it out.
This movie was an epic movie in 1993. I had the release promo posters in my room. This was the first movie I ever wanted to see as soon as it came out. I couldn't because I was too young. The biggest problem is that corporations rule the future in demolition man.
Best movie bout future yet.
Indivitualism and our spirit Is that driving force that gives live and takes HUMANITY forward to The future and until The end of Times and beyond and whitout It we become nothing but a empty husk and all what we all hold on our hearts Is The greatest Power of us all🌸😎🌸
Sadly, big tech doesn't agree.
25:01 “You need two poles acting on each other to achieve actual balance.”
I believe that too much polarization is also counterproductive because if two opposing view points can’t even discuss things then you get no where.
It's still dope content keep what you do being a dolphin slayer f wb
🙌Thx man
"in NYC its really hard to get a gun. really hard" *TRUE*
"That includes for criminals" *FALSE*
For real tho... Great video, man. Demolition Man, along with other movies like Bloodsport, Over the Top, Terminator 2, True Lies, etc. Are what shaped me into the man I am today! *(pushes office chair back, revealing both my legs are missing and I have a cybernetic prosthetic hand)*
Sounds like Albus Dumbledore and his greater good and if you don't agree with him then you're going dark.
John Spartan is my spirit guide, lol.
That’s funny. Simon Phoenix is my spirit guide! 😁
thanks for reminding me of how brilliant this film actually is. time to rewatch.
I want to see a society where Edgar Friendly is in charge.
Hmm there ain't many anarchy in the world where law is none existent and the moment you put your foot there your not being mug to death right is forfeited
@@KikogamerJ2 allow me to elaborate. I want to see a fictional Society where Edgar Friendly is in charge. He's anti-establishment not anarchist. Even when they were leading a raid for food it was more of a grab and run minimal use of force. If the people lead by Edgar Friendly were what your comment suggests the San Angeles police would still be experienced in dealing with Murderers.
Well but that is one of the big issues in the Movie.
Edgar being a full on Anarchist doesn't even see him self as a leader during there raids because he wants complete freedom and there for rejects any form of authority.
If he actually had any bit of authoritarianism in him would he have riled the people of the underground behind him and took down the weak upper worlds society long ago.
This is how the movie shows the problem with pure Freedom as its everyone on there own do there lack as individuals the force to make this change.
While people usually only focus on how the story critics the authoritarian world does it also have a pretty decent and unusual critic for an Anarchistic world view in it.
Very good synopsis. The saying is, fear not because scary men are prepared to do horrid things on your behalf because you are not capable of it yourself. Military members do this daily. Most of American society could not stand the things they do but quietly like that the military is there doing it.
The question here really should be "how damn hot did Sandra look as a futuristic cop?!"
Interesting philosophical piece on this excellent film American Ben! 👌 Y'all is looking well groomed today. Girlfriend coming to see you this weekend? Don't tell me it's Sandra dressed as a futuristic cop?! You lucky guy! 🤣
Great video, one of my favorite movies. One other cool thing is that if you pay attention to when Sylvester Stallone is in the sewers talking to Denis Leary, one of the "scraps" is a young, fresh faced Jack Black.
When it comes to people's opinions online vs in person, I can't help but think of one of the early episodes of the Death Note anime where Light tells Ryuuk that people will give their honest feelings about matters online because online they are anonymous but in person will give "society's morally correct answer" because to do otherwise gets that person discriminated against in some way. And looking at everything that goes on, both in this movie and IRL, I feel that division is still true. Yes, some people are supporting one extreme or another because they want to see others get riled (aka trolling) but those extremes are also the way many people actually feel, if just as a result of their life experiences. It makes sense for someone living in an area with heavy crime to want the hammer to be brought down on offenders so they can feel safe, yet also makes sense for others who commit crimes as a way to improve their social standing or make ends meet would want fewer police around to make their lives easier. Not surprisingly, both extreme opinions can be found in gang-controlled poverty-stricken neighborhoods as an easy example. For another example, people in a peaceful area may not see a need for many police, yet can also fail to connect that it's because they have the police force they do that they have they peace they possess. But that's more an issue of confusing Effect and Cause; something we also see a great deal of in today's society.
This video was awesome, thankyou. I have fond memories of this movie
I’ve loved this movie since I saw it theaters with my dad, but I never understand how leaping into the future was a punishment. You’re frozen during the prime of your life to leap frog into the future as if you hit the pause button on life, and yes I get that everything you know will be gone but between that and growing old in a cell it sounds amazing.
great points looking forward to seeing and hearing more
I was watching this literally last night
Others have pointed this out--Simon Phoenix had already killed the hostages and that's why the hostages didn't appear when thermal imaging scans were taken of the warehouse. Someone's defense attorney was incompetent!
This is my favorite Sylvester Stallone movie.
Hmmm, SO, Simon Phoenix was given "A very specific set of skills" while in Cryo-Sleep! LOL
I see it more as the clash of two ideological extremes and something as an argument against both. It shows fairly honest sympathy & criticism of both.
I too always tie Demolition Man and the 5th Element. Great double feature.
Loving this series of videos!
You made fantastic observations on the film . You were off about John and the hostages, but other great takes in this vid.
Awesome video as usual, sucks that the studio gave you a hard time about and almost 30-year-old film
Worthy of some of sort college report! Great job dude!
I truly enjoyed this. Thanks for the time and effort.
I was wondering, when it comes to specific videos that you've worked really hard on, yet continues to recieve strikes, have you considered loading them on another platform or on a file sharing site? Making them only available to those who follow the link and perhaps even download? I believe one can watch a video on something like _Dropbox_ without having to actually download it.
I realize it's this results in no revenue from the video itself, but perhaps it could be a good backup for the rare video that you are jst _soooooo_ proud of and just do not want to chop up. 🤷🏼♂️
Favorite scene is the interview where Spartan is carrying the little girl and she yells "Screw you lady!" to the reporter.
Less 'Dark secrets' and more 'really overt themes that were in no way hidden'
Wow... There was a sign in the hallway of my high school that said "Stand up for what is right even if you are standing alone." Now it reads "when they ask for your lunch money give it to them."
Great video, very thoughtful. I wish we could have seen the full piece.
Thx Brian
This is still one of my top favourite movie why i chose to clock on this video.
You mention needing a John Spartan in this future society. Police used to be this way in the past. Your average police officer wasn't equipped to handle over the top threats, so they created SWAT teams to handle these extreme situations.
This sounds like a what they are trying to do in California today doesn’t it.
Minus the happiness
I put a lone basket in my front bathroom with 3 shells in it, no T-P visible...some get it as evidenced by the laughter others , that obviously didn't see the movie get a little freaked out until I yell open the cabinet through the door, lol
One of my favorite movies
The hostages was already dead when that building blew . Simmon told John that at the end in the freezer
I was always under the impression that Phoenix killed the hostages, before Spartan got there.
Best movies ever ! Dude you're so right !!
I’d rather have dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery.
That's because you grew up in peace
The hostages were dead before Spartan arrived. Phoenix literally admits it.
And even if you discredit his words as a lie, John did a thermal scan of the whole building and the only people who showed up on it were Phoenix and his men, meaning Phoenix was telling the truth. Me thinks American Ben decided to ignore that fact to make his point.
A demolition man another one of those movies That was supposed to warn us about a dystopian future, but was instead used as a guidebook to create one........
"HURTING people is not a good thing: well sometimes it is"
reporter: "How can you justify the destruction of a $40 million dollar mini mall for a girls who's ransom was only $45 thousand dollars?"
Little girl:" 'F' you lady"
John spartan: "good answer"
Phoenix: "that's who you remind me of. An evil Mr rogers"
I was a 15 years old in 1993 and everyone I was aware of, viewed Stallone’s character as 💯 hero and hated the version of the future that Demolition Man shows. The irony is that’s exactly the future that we’re headed too.
People being afraid not to wear a mask, Elon Musk putting computer chips in people’s brains and China’s social credit system.
Give me the 80’s or 90’s, I reject the nanny state
I’m inclined to agree. Back when the movie first released, I would’ve said the future that was portrayed was alien and antithetical, and Spartan was in the right to tear it down. That said, I was a different person back then.
Or you just where the mask and stop acting like a child who doesn’t wanna go to bed.
You’re not defending freedom.
@@jaycol21 who said anything about wearing a mask? Besides states and CDC are rolling back masks requirements. Get a new argument
@@Sonjacrow “People being afraid to not wear a mask”
Who said anything? You did.
You’re acting like it’s a nanny state because we were asked to take the most minor of steps to avoid spreading contagious moisture from our breath on each other during a pandemic.
It’s childish. Yes, mask restrictions have loosened. If you’re vaccinated, don’t bother. But, it WAS the simplest of asks to look out for your fellow Americans...not government overreach
@@jaycol21 one I was comparing the warning of the movie to the 80’s and currently events. The former mask mandate is or was part of the nanny state but there are bigger problems with the nanny state, the mask issue was a minor one.
Secondly, your the one that made issue of the mask, if you noticed the other person who responded to me didn’t even mention the mask because he actually read my comment and the mask really wasn’t the point of my comment and that person realized that and made no mention of the mask in his reply to me.
Thirdly, get a life. If you enjoy the nanny state, that’s you and your life as you see fit and I’ll live my life as I see fit.
One thing that didn’t make sense was, the older black guy that John Spartan recognized as a friend was alive back in the day before San Angeles so he should know how to deal with the violent criminals
Have you done one on Equilibrium, Idiocracy, V for Vendetta, and/or Robocop (1987)?
Once I heard the complement to 5th element I had to give a thumbs up.
WB really don't get how things work online. i have gone out and spent money on films because of the review given by generation films.
😢😁😁🙌🙌🙌
dude called John Spartan, frozen and only unthawed for major threats... is Demolition Man a low key Halo prequel?
Last MDK in 2010.. oh the future looked so bright in the 90s
What movie was that clip with the grey alien from?
If what you finished up with you feel is a wreckage compared to what you first made, I'll try to help by saying, don't worry kid. I think you still produced a fine work, and I fully agree with your commentary on society, and enjoyed the show.
Again, keep up the good work, and see you again next show. Looking forward to it.
The theme of the movie is fairly straightforward. Nearly everyone hates Cocteau. The good guys the bad guys And the underground resistance. Hes pretty much the antagonist. Hes so bad that the homicidal maniac doesnt even like him. Also Ive always thought it was funny the way they threw him into the fireplace
Anybody notice Benjamin Bratt wasn't only playing a police officer, but he also played one of the "Scraps"? Maybe his twin brother, spin-off twist to the story?
16:08 and 24:47 reference