Boeing 747 Crashes in Guam | The Terrifying Story of Flight 801 (Real Audio)
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0:00 Intro
0:20 Departure from Seoul
1:25 Arrival to the Guam Area
2:17 Rest Issues
3:05 Descending into Guam
5:15 Getting Closer to the Ground
6:21 Real Audio Communications
7:02 Approaching High Terrain
7:45 Crash
9:22 ATC Communications
10:51 Investigation 
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An 11 year old girl and her mother both survived the crash. However, the mom died in the fire because she was trapped under wreckage, saw the fire and told her daughter to run. The girl survived and was eventually reunited with her dad who wasn’t on the plane.
Dang
Wow , how strange to be a single survivor. Poor child to loose her mother like that. Condolences to all the families who lost loved ones that day.
@@blazefairchild465 There were 25 survivors total. The 11 year girl came under the care of one of the flight attendants and the governor of Guam until her dad arrived.
So her mother didn’t survive then
@@f1fanatic498 the earlier already said it
One guy managed to survive because he was bending down to tie his shoes just as the plane crashed and was unintentionally in the brace position.
Correct. This was a Kiwi guy. He actually walked away and went to the shop to buy some fresh clothes after the crash as they were dirty.
@@brentbecroft2890 Oh. My. God. 😨
@@brentbecroft2890 had a broken leg too because his leg hit the steel bar of the seat in front of him. His other leg wasn’t broken because it was protected by his carry on bag
Sometimes, it's just not your time!
yea, he got a broken leg/foot(?) too when the seat in-front broke and crushed his leg/foot
cool video with a sad ending!
-didnt like the fake voices to be honest
-absolutley loved ATC comms after the crash
I totally agree. The AI voices were totally cringe. I've been a subscriber for some time now and have enjoyed mostly all of the videos. This particular video with the AI voices and that terrible impact explosion was not up to the standards that this channel usually displays. It's like a child produced it.
In those days Korean Air was controlled by Chairman Cho who was also head of Hanjin.
He instructed many staff to cut corners and save on fuel/overhead.
The last straw was the crash at Stansted airport when Mr. Cho stepped down and the airline has never had a crash since.
I flew on KAL recently. It's the best airline I've ever flown on. I guess it's good that Cho guy left.
Not a fatal one though. Remember Korean Air 631? That one wasn’t really the airline’s or the pilots fault though.
Love your work as always!!
Please never use AI voices again. I HATE THEM!!
Great videos, but the AI voices are atrocious!
They weren't AI voices...it was the channel creator's voice.
Either way I think that you should keep the original form factor. The Voice Overs really aren’t necessary for this. This is already a great channel. Don’t clutter it with the Voice Overs.
@@ecclestonsangel It says in the video that they're AI generated...
I agree. Please only use real audio when you have it.
I lived on Guam from 1990-1993. I lived in Navy housing on Nimitz Hill. The aircraft on approach to Won Pat flew right over my house. This thing must have missed that house by 10 feet. I was there on unrelated business a week after this happened. We went to the crash site. It was a sobering sight. The vertical stabilizer was sticking up out of the jungle and completely undamaged. My first thought was, "This thing just doesn't belong here." It was an eerie sight.
We lived there during the crash (my dad was in the navy and we lived in the naval housing on nimitz hill as well) and my dad recalls walking out and the air reeked of jet fuel and the air had an eerie haze to it. So tragic
It wasn't mentioned: 25 of the 254 aboard survived. 31 were pulled alive from the wreck but 2 died en route to hospital and 3 died later in hospital. 3 flight attendants survived but all cockpit crew members died. Somewhat unusually, there is a reasonable distribution of survival seats throughout the plane, strangely with 1st Class being the most survivable (7 people out of 12 seats - don't know if they were all filled - survived).
Ty, I spent the whole time wondering the person count onboard and at the end, if everyone perished. I thought I missed something again.
@@getmeouttatennessee4473 Could the FC please let the final frame up for another ten seconds so that we have time to read and digest the information that is provided. This request has been made multiple times by others.
That’s another reason to give this thumbs down. No excuse for leaving that out. This guy knows better, he got lazy.
@@deepthinker999 He doesn’t care, he doesn’t have to care, he’s already got 1.4 million followers.
@@outerrealm how exactly
Outdated charts, pilot fatigue, poor CRM & ATC error. This disaster was inevitable.
On the contrary, if any one of those factors had been corrected the accident would probably have been avoided.
“inevitable … yet totally avoidable.” Tragic.
Yes. All around cluster f__K
Destined not inevitable.
+ No Gluide slope in stormy conditions
I was a doctor at the Navy Hospital there that night. This was not the normal crew that flew to Guam. They usually flew an Airbus on that route, but Guam had requested a 747 instead, so that they could take the Guam Olympic team to the South Pacific games. I was so frustrated at the lack of survivors who were taken to the hospital. The aircraft impacted on its belly and burned slowly, but emergency equipment could not get to the crash sit, because it ended up on the downward slope of Nimitz Hill. The crew tried to initiate a missed approach, but the landing gear got caught on a small oil pipe, which brought the aircraft onto the ground
Korean Air at the time had a lot of problems with CRM. Dominant captains and subordinate first officers were the norm. Two years later, a Korean Air Cargo 747 crashed in England shortly after takeoff due to captain's mistake and first officer's lack of courage to challenge the captain.
Actually, 3 More planes crashed in August 1998(flight 8702(747-400)), march&April 1999(flight 1533(md-83)&6316(md-11)).
There's a reason why the FO is second in command situations like this
this is part of why this plane crashed
In the 80's (?) a KAL cargo jet burned up on the ground, somewhere in Korea. The pilot had been admonished earlier for some minor mistake, and was in no position to get "dinged" again, (loss of face). The cockpit crew was almost to the door when the flames got inside the cabin, and the pilot told them to stop and get back to their seats ! They did, and they all burned to death.
@@Mr1990hjc u meant korean air flight 015. That plane was passenger plane.
These videos have NEVER looked so good! The flight sim is fantastic but I even include the font and resolution of the text! I’ve been watching this channel for years and can’t praise them enough for always wanting to improve! Thanks again to The Flight Channel.
That’s very true but the Voice Overs are not necessary.
I think this is P3D. This is the PMDG 747.
its P3d v5
MSFS?
@@K1OIK Microsoft Flight Simulator. Great sim, but like others said this was likely made with P3d
Nothing good can come from "whoop whoop"
I don't understand why flight crews seem afraid to ask for confirmation from ATC if they are unsure about something. They were unsure about the glideslope.
Most probably due to fatigue
Maintaining Social Status???
Korean culture is very hierarchical. The ones in their junior positions rarely challenge their seniors. I am sure this was the case here which partly contributed to the crash.
I spent a lot of time there in the 80's, and yes tis very true. I participated in a command post exercise at Osan Air Base one year. I worked with a bunch of Korean officers, and we would take smoke breaks together in a hallway near our work station. One night, a bunch of Korean marines were coming out of a day room or something down the hall. These guys saw all the officers, and their smiles disappeared ! They kept walking past us, in a slightly stooped posture, with the right hands holding a salute, and the other hand covering the left butt cheek. When they got within range, the officers ATTACKED. As the marines went by they were slapped on the back of their heads, and kicked in their asses, and without any anger at all. It was like, OK no problem, these are just the rules !
@@Jurk844 Yes, it was becoming that way in the late 80’s, but it was only a whisper in the wind when I left Asia.
@@Jurk844 you are in denial if you think a lot has changed. Not enough changed to prevent this from happening.
@@Jurk844 defamation? Go do some research before speaking. It’s well known Korean work culture is not the best. They are making changes but they still have a long way to go.
Maybe so, and American culture of not caring in the slightest about anything other than yourself also contributed its share to the crash.
We had a case study in our ready room about this flight about a month ago.
Korean Air had pretty low safety records during this time. Today, their safety record is superb!
Also, the Korean Air simulator did not have the Nimitz VOR properly located in their simulator. The VOR was next to the airfield in the sim.
I hope so.
Did they tell you that the pilot and copilot were extremely inexperienced in flying a 747? Also, the Nimitz hillside is or was pretty much a dense jungle - difficult to get to.
@@timothymoran2337 we talked about their experience. Captain dual hatted A380s and B747s for Korean air
@@supafly322 I didn't know that was allowed. Seems like a bad idea. You want learning and memory to take over in a stressful situation.
Yet they just had a major incident in the Philippines. Honestly I would still not trust them with my life.
I really appreciate the amazing work of an art done by the flight channel.
I think Malcolm Gladwell devoted a whole chapter on this incident in one of his books attributing the Korean and other cultures where its eloquent non-direct, receiver-oriented language structure may not have worked inside a cockpit. After this incident, Korean Air only allows spoken English in the cockpit and maintains excellent record to this day, Mr. Gladwell wrote. (I forgot the name of the book... Tipping Point, Outlier, What the Dog Saw.) Thanks for the video, great work.
That one is Tipping Point, I believe.
Gladwell’s work is pseudoscience, but I do think he made a good point about cultural differences when it comes to deference to authority.
But then Tenerife could also have been prevented by a more assertive first officer, and those guys were Dutch - a culture known for matter-of-fact directness.
That’s why I call that stuff pseudoscience. Two or three cases don’t constitute a dataset.
As I recalled it was The Outliers
@@lebojay The Tenerife FO was assertive but nothing would have worked on the Captain short of a two by four.
The book is The Outliers. Gladwell is a Journalist, not a scientist. I have read most of his books. It seems to me that most of the topics he covers and the degree of detail he uncovers is outstanding. Plus we have to consider the fact that he has to explain his viewpoints to the greater mass of readers. He makes a case. The total data set for Korean Air Lines is much larger than two or thee. Gladwell enumerated them. The Korean President stopped using the airline. Gladwell explained the role of cultural differences in handing authority. The changes were put in place to change things. As a result, an American( Delta ) culture was adopted for the flight deck operations. As far as your statement that stuff is pseudoscience I'm not going to argue. I'm just going to sit here and grin.
@@tomhamm6484 I've never been disappointed by a Gladwell offering since reading The Tipping Point. I worked on election system integrity, and some of his work helped me better understand how people were processing the risks of internet voting - or refusing to do so, staying in sales mode.
Out of respect for the captain many flight crews just dont correct the captain even when it puts their own life in danger. Hard to imagine but true. Hopefully this serious issue has been addressed
Yep, specially with the present culuture in many korean airlines, what the captain says is absolute.
out of FEAR (not respect)
It has... they all died.
johnnypitman this terrible condition of failure to challenge the Captain on an airliner actually HAS been corrected...to some extent with a concept called Crew Resource Management (CRM). Current FAA law REQUIRES subordinate flight crew member(s) to take control of aircraft when it is in imminent danger, regardless of orders/decisions by superior crew member and prevents airlines from disciplining subordinate crew members after the fact. This has prevented many crashes. That said, the culture of airline captains having absolute, unquestioned authority on airliners is, unfortunately, still persisting with many airlines.
Thanks for your comment. Have a great day. 😊
This happened just as my family had moved to Guam where I took a job as a junior high school band director in Dededo. The crash was a couple of weeks before the start of school and I worked with recovery (and rescue) workers. One of the saddest memories of my life.
Incidentally, after this crash there was a sudden drop in the number of tourists from Korea. Tourism is the main profitable industry of Guam, with most visitors coming from Japan and Korea.
Who the cares what you took a job doing?
Hoe long did you live there? I'm planning a trip... I lived on Guam til I was T minus two months, but have never been. I regret not visiting while my dad was alive.
I lived there twice: 1997-99 and 2011-13. It's a tough place to live, very nice, but definitely isolated. It is the United States, not a foreign country but very different.
The flight crew respected the Captain all the way into the mountain. There's a long history in cultures where seniority is so firmly embedded it's very difficult to displace and create coordinated CRM. BTW, not a fan of the flat tone, emotionless synthesized voices. It's distracting.
@MrCrystalcranium, I'm with you on the synthesized voices. I'd just as soon read the dialog in the subtitles. There's another RUclips channel, Simply Railway, whose creator also posts mostly videos with subtitles instead of spoken audio. In a recent video he said he was going to do more audio because apparently RUclips doesn't promote videos with no audio. So maybe that's why TFC decided to try the synthesized voices here.
Its worse in Asia. I'm not saying its nothing in Western countries, but that top down command thing really is the rule there. See the netflix film "the days" where the managers practically have a breakdown when their bosses get angry with them. And that movie was made by a Japanese filmmaker.
Normally, great videos, but the AI voices were really distracting on this one
Agreed
The fake voices (with real audio) distracted me so much I couldn’t tell anybody how this event turned out. Everybody lived!! Right??
Agreed - the voices in English sounded like other Asian countries speaking English and certainly NOT Korean English. I found the AI voices very distracting..
Agreed, disliked the voices
Yeah
Something about the ATC keeping a neutral tone kind of weirds me out. I do believe that they found it necessary to remain as calm as possible, however, I, myself, would have been having an emotional meltdown if someone told me about that. In addition, I found the quality of communication between pilots and controllers to be beyond unacceptable.
I agree. I’ve listened to quite a few ATC recordings through videos like this one and this is the only instance that has hit me as “ATC didn’t GAF about the people and plane that just wrecked”.
Totally agree
"Oh well he must have crashed then" in a don't give a stuff tone and where's my sandwich
I feel like is tone is far from detached…I feel like it means either « I knew it » or « my career might me over »…
I agree, he knew he messed up and was being recorded, shuch a lack of empathy is inhumane
This was very sad.
There are quite a few airports worldwide surrounded by high hills and mountains, making it difficult for pilots to land in bad weather, and to even consider building one in dangerous areas like this is a disaster waiting to happen, especially back when they didn't have the high technology built into commercial planes as they do nowadays, even with all the tech it's not easy.
I'm sorry to the family members who lost loved ones in this horrific crash, may they all R.I.P. ✝
ANOTHER "Beautiful Aircraft Goes down ..........Weeping" here - South NZ
you have no idea what your talking about
read below thats parts of why this crash happened
Unless the video is *VASTLY* misleading about the nature of surrounding terrain, this location was perfectly okay for an airport --- says me as a private pilot with no airline pilot experience. In fact, if the mountains were several times higher than they were, it would still have been a perfectly reasonable place for an airport ... so says me.
True , but when the computer says terrain, pull up, then pull the damn plane up!
I worked with the approach controller of this flight for many years. He was a very conscientious and competent controller.
I mean in reality they mentioned him in the report but he wasn't the root cause at all. It was just the fact IF he was watching it he could have seen it unfolding. But I don't think it should be in anyway his responsibility to hold the Captains hand on navigating a small hill in a 747 he is trained on... at 1am.
My Platoon Sergeant was a private fresh out of basic training when his first drill with the Guam national Guard was to recover bodies of this crash.
Lived there for many years. The approach into AB Won Pat isn't easy, but not as difficult as many
chilling audio coming from air traffic control. you can hear the shakiness in tower's voice and disbelief coming from all parties.
The 747 Classic is such a beautiful plane. My favorite. They should treat these pilots like princes with personal flight attendants.
Only Senior Management gets treated like princes everywhere.
I really don't like the AI voices in this one, mostly because they don't sound like actual pilots at all so it breaks immersion. Edit: or rather totally inconsistent. Some were incredibly bad, some were okay. Were there some bits of real audio in there?
Didn't like the stereotypical Asian speaking English?
Wdym they don’t sound like pilots maybe it’s because it’s ai and plus are pilots supposed have a type of voice no so wdym
@lilcrazyy Invest in commas, genius.
@@lilcrazyywoah genius no shit. they were saying they don't like it the ai voice
Man these crashes always get me 😢. In the last moment i was getting up in my chair gradually and yelling "cmon pull up, pull up, pull up"
R.I.P 228 souls on board include CPT Park yong cheol, F/O Song kyung ho, F/E Nam suk hoon
😢 in 1960 my brother was flight engineer on a plane that crashed into Nimitz Hill only 15 people survived. It was on takeoff so the crash was on the other side of Nimitz hill from this crash. Amazing so sad the airline was a World Airways, out of Oakland, California September 1960😢😢
Very sad. Sorry to hear
The other thing I noticed, and this goes to crew training, was the pilots complaining about their hours and company policy instead of focusing on the job at hand. The whole sterile cockpit thing.
This is all too common, or used to be. Sometimes first officers and other crew members are too scared to tell a captain he's wrong, and they go to their deaths in silence.
Yes ..😢😢😢😢😢🙈💔 ....but must broken rules all people which working at board. ..... . Make stop captain if him wrongs ..... PEOPLE'S WAKE UP !! 😢😢😢😢🙈💔!!!!
First off your channel is the gold standard of this genre... So with much love I ask to never ever use voice overs or AI.. Detracts so much from your very streamlined and smooth style.
So much of this was avoidable. They were complaining of being tired and over working these flight crews really must be stopped. Also the air traffic seemed really lackadaisical, too. 229 souls lost RIP Thank you for another great presentation.
$$$$$
That wasn't a sterile cockpit, either, during the complaining part.
Great video! No fake voices please.
I know these are slowed down to get all the information but I wish at least once we could see it at full speed to determine how difficult it is to make timely decisions in that situation to save the flight?
If that was real ATC communications after the crash, those guys had the worst "Meh" reaction.
It was really creepy. For me it crossed an invisible line between “calm” and “DGAF”.
@@ModernVintage31 They DGAF before it crashed, and DGAF after
One thing that wasn’t touched on was South Korea’s cultural values having an effect on the airline because Korean culture often has a hierarchy where the younger people are less likely to speak up in fear of dishonoring their elders.
Which should be tossed out the window in an CRM environment
@@nzkshatriya6298 You are right but easier said than done.
@@nzkshatriya6298 Unfortunately centuries of culture hierarchy cannot easily be tossed out the window.
I had flown to Seattle a few days ago 1st time in 40 yes have to say ..I was nervous prayed kept my mind on God tht gave me peace.
Always so sad when there is a disaster that could have been prevented. RIP to all who perished and their families.
RIP EVERYONE
Very well done as always...RIP to those who lost their lives
I try not to give negative comments on videos as I appreciate the effort and hard work that goes into them, especially when I know I couldn't come close to doing a video as polished as The Flight Channel.....however......I wasn't a fan of the AI voice overs. They sound horrible and are not really needed as the viewer has already read what has been said. Using the real recorded voices from the cockpit recorder and ATC tapes are great for obvious reasons, but using voice overs when you don't have actual recordings spoils it for me.
Great video! Can you do a future video of the Blue Angel crash that killed Captain Jeff Kuss in Smyrna, Tennessee in June 2016? I would be curious to see what went wrong.
13 minute video has played all the way yet.
Another RUclips channel that covers plane crashes has a video about that crash: ruclips.net/video/J2RB0zkWWg8/видео.html
I can't figure out why the creator of these videos won't correct the issue that his final text comments telling about the number of people killed, etc. at shown only for a second, nowhere near long enough to read the comments. I'll keep saying this until he notices. This is a bad way to end really good videos.
I've been noticing a lack of summary concerning how many survived etc. Very odd. This one has always been really good about it. Someone above posted about the survivors and stories behind it.
As noted above.
Great video as always
The AI generated dialogue is not necessary
The ATC voice is also “Chilling Encounters” for all you scary story fans…
Them not knowing they would leave this earth in 7 hours once they got on the plane is so sad
I think if the altitude selector on the MCP only increments in 100s, you're suppose to ROUND UP, so for 560 feet, you'd set "600", not "500".
Most realistic plane explosion ever.
The AI voices not so hot. Otherwise, excellent video.
Agreed
I swear, nearly every time I watch, the last thought I have is "DAMN!"
As a person from Saipan, thanks for making this video!
LOVE the real audio segments
HATE the fake audio segments.
@Canalcoholic I agree very distracting. If it's not broken don't fix it.
I have seen far too many of these videos, where the crew doesn't understand a very straightforward command from the tower (glideslope not working), and then completely ignores all the warnings in their cockpit. These are highly trained professionals, as well as multiple people involved in the decision making, so how can they as a group make such stupid decisions.
Sometimes if people are extremely fatigued & in a particularly bad mood, it's very easy to make mistakes, even when you're usually a consummate professional. In this case, they were removed from a longer flight due to fatigue concerns, even so they were pissed off obviously over being screwed out of overtime pay & a paid for accommodation, while being exploited & exhausted. It's easy to make mistakes like this while driving in a car when very very fatigued, such as hitting the curb by accident while entering a driveway, or slightly grazing a speed bump for example, or even missing a red light from barely being able to focus. I've been there after working 14-16 hour days where I've travelled an hour to & from work. It's a shame because it really seems like the First Officer & Engineer even noticed Glidescope was not working in the first place, just that challenging the captain didn't happen - even perhaps due to the nature of Korean social expectation?
This is why it is not only important for the pilot to read back everything, but also for the controller to listen to the read back and ensure everything is understood. If the controller had said "Korean Air 801 read back glideslope not working" then the crash could have been avoided.
I was just watching a video of yours, wondering when the next would come out..
Anyways on a more important note, rip to those who lost their lives, this crash was so easily avoidable in my opinion.
Well, thank YOU for YOUR valuable opinion. I should have just fast forwarded to the comments, and I would not have wasted MY valuable time, watching the video.
@@rogerscalf231
Oooookkaaaayy…?
FC videos are usually (but not always) released on Thursday. Hope this helps.
@@deepthinker999
It helps.
I always find your content fascinating. I remember this tragedy and it was interesting to watch the reenactment. But I have to say I don't like the added artificial voices. I can read the quoted dialogue and find the fake voices distracting. Cheers!
Nice video. First, it was incumbent on the flight crew to understand the terrain around the Guam airport. At least one member of the flight crew should have beeen someone who had been there before. That the airline would provide an incorrect map is unacceptable (updated map? Nimitz Hill has always been there. The map is either correct or it isn't). Next, Korean Airlines at the time had a huge culture problem: the captain i always correct and the first officer or second officer should not contradict him. In the years since the crash, Korean Air has seen improvements, but in a country where hierarchy is prized, overcoming that problem has taken enormous effort. Lastly, I agree with the criticism of the control tower. Their monitoring was not appropriate. I will also add that I have always believed ATC shouldhave both surveillance and height-finding radar, or use a 3-D radar so as to receive important data independent of what the aircraft transmits. Today, as the US Navy begins to retire the SPS-48, why not donate the sets to civilian air traffic control?
Anyone else feel like the new voiceover (audio reading of the cabin crew's dialogue) that was added to this video is unhelpful and distracting? The tone and inflection of the voice don't match with each particular situation being illustrated. It definitely interferes with my reading of the screen text, but maybe that's just me. To be clear, I'm not referring to the actual flight/tower conversational recordings from the incident, only to the voiceover.
I was waiting for you to do this video! Idk if you have the Ethiopia Air crash one tho.
This accident is proof that the introduction of aviation quality GPS has eliminated most controlled flight into terrain (CFIT) accidents. With good reason: flight crews now know their exact position, including altitude, to at at least 30 feet, or even down to 10 feet with ground transmitter assist.
Anyone else always think of having a Pepsi when the see Korean Air?
Maybe the island started to tip over make the terrain higher than anticipated... I hear that's a concern to some. Why it's even been debated in congress.
*I understood that reference*
When there was a debate in Congress about moving a Marine detachment to Guam, Georgia Rep. Hank Johnson was against it because there were too many people on Guam already and he said the island might tip over if the Marines were sent there. There were several news stories about it. There are videos of him saying it.
Now there is a place to look for a solution, the U.S. Congress !!! They struggle just to get our bills paid.
I remember that sad sequence of crashes involving Korean Air and Asiana aircraft along the late 90s. Actually it was the reason I ended up working with FSB (Flight Safety Boeing, later FSBTI-Korea, later ALTEON Training) as a Training Center Instructor & Examiner for six and a half years, as of March 2000, at Korean Air Training Center in Incheon. Was an interesting learning curve, they studied a lot but cultural issues were a factor (if not the factor)...it was hard work, especially along the first 2-3 years.
Great video. Not of a fan of the text being read out.
Agreed
Korean air carriers are always affected by their seniority culture and power distance, resulting in a lot of crashes over the decades, that, and lack of training, lack of situational awareness, failure to adhere to procedures, and the whole decision-making process. It's a system that led to them being shot down by the Soviets twice, numerous crew-error deadly crashes with massive casualties, runway overshoots, and a lot more as far as I can remember since the 70s.
I was in Guam stationed on a Navy ship there when that happened, and was on duty that night. It was raining mostly, I went up to the ship after a smoke break on the pier towards midnight, hit the sack, and a couple hours later they woke everybody up on the PA system and gathered at the galley while they were designating people to be sent to assist on the crash site. Right then, the news came out on the TV, and once I saw Korean Airlines appear, I wasn't surprised, and already knew that this was most likely a preventable accident.
I don't know if that has changed over the years, but just this year, a Korean Airlines jet overshot the runway at Mactan-Cebu, Philippines and was written off. A few years ago, an Asiana perfectly functioning 777 missed the SFO runway on a bright summer day and was totally damaged with some casualties. I'm sure that one is on RUclips somewhere. Apparently, it was all for the same reasons mentioned above. I wouldn't fly with them, knowing all these.
Everything past the cockpit is great though. Nice clean cabin, seats, cabin crew, and all. So nice, that not too long ago, Ms. Cho, a daughter of one of the airlines' CEOs threw a fit, berated, screamed at, and slapped a flight attendant in front of everybody prior to takeoff from JFK, causing a big scene over peanuts not being served on a plate on the first class section, prompting the plane to return to the terminal to dump off that flight attendant. Power distance, huh?
idk why, but korean air are famous for their runway overruns that occurs even to this day
What does idk mean?
@@K1OIK i don't know
@@jakerittlinger440 If you don't know why respond?
@@K1OIK i don't know
Kindly refrain from adding fake voices in places you don’t have the original. Texts alone are good along with the engine sounds in the bg, unless you have the actual audio which would make it GREAT! Appreciate the work you do, huge fan ❤
Looking at the online chart that shows where the survivors were seated on the aircraft, one would think the majority would be found in the rear section. But in this instance, that's not the case.
In general you are right but I still hate being seated in the tail.
One of the major causes of accidents of this type especially amongst Asian airlines, even in the 1990's very few first officers and flight engineers felt comfortable challenging the captain over his decisions. CRM was not exercised very well, if at all around this time. The ATC didn't cover themselves in glory either. Although no mentioned fatigue could also have played a part given some of the captain's comments, and he did indeed say he was "sleepy." Totally avoidable and a tragic loss of life.
Crazy right!. I would like to think if I was the first officer in this sort of situation, my terror of a CFIT would overcome any submissive traits and just grab the controls as I am screaming "GOING AROUND". They can discipline or fire me when we are safely back in the terminal.
Should I challenge the captain? No? I guess we'll die then.
So sad that this crash happened, could have been easily avoided.
How?
@@K1OIK They literally didn't do the missed approach properly.
I really enjoy this channel, however I’m not too certain that the inclusion of A.I. generated speech is necessary. I prefer to read to text if cockpit recordings are not available. Thanks.
Corporate culture has improved this case! Maked safety KAL.
There were a lot of accidents.
R.I.P crew and passengers
I do a lot of consulting/legal advising around the Pacific Rim countries, and constantly find people reluctant to challenge authority, especially their direct bosses. Makes me frustrated AF when things go wrong and we discover this was the reason..
Great work as usual TFC - I'll check out your new channel now.
Sometimes, it’s hard to believe that there are survivors in accidents with large planes.
I guess it's because they are bigger and absorb more impact forces
The aircraft crashed in the boonies (jungle). It was in the middle of the wet season. The rain comes down in buckets that time of year. The ground was soaked. The jungle and the wet ground absorbed the impact so the aircraft didn't hit as hard as if it landed on a hard surface.
Sometimes!?!?!? When, in your life, have you EVER witnessed in ANY way, an accident WITH, ( apparently NOT IN)a large plane, and after hearing there were maybe 3 survivors out of over 300, from a horrible, fiery crash in the Himalayas, you wouldn't, at the very least, and I DO mean least, think,"WOW". (I think wow is an expression of disbelief)
@@vanceb1 yeah, but then the ones who died, died from drowning.
@@vanceb1 Why don't people just say what they mean in the first place, look at all the time I wasted, explaining some goober, trying to mask his OBVIOUS FUCKING RACISM with some bullshit about the jungle. The boonies, are usually referring to any area, that's basically run down, on the outskirts of town, or just too far away to bother going "to that party, it's way out in the boonies." Not exactly an accurate description of the jungle.
You always have good videos but tragic endings 💔 😔
I know you probably don’t have the model, but it was a 747-300 operating this flight. I really wish they had the 300 because I love the Antennas on the wing tips and most had the JT9D Engines.
Besides me being nit picky, great video!
Wow Maan !!very emotional at the end
This accident had repercussions for the region for years. Korean Air was not allowed to fly to Guam or Saipan, and the only other airline that flew the routes was Asiana Airlines. They had a monopoly and it was 600 to 700 dollars for a round trip ticket (a decade ago) for a flight that was less than five hours long.
Still have to give some credit to the FO and flight engineer for calling for the late missed approach. If they’d flown more down into the mountainside, I doubt 25 people would’ve survived.
FO?
@@K1OIK first officer
@@jakerittlinger440 What did he do with the time he saved not typing irst fficer?
@@K1OIK idk
@@jakerittlinger440 idk?
When I'm driving and start to feel sleepy, I chew gum. Works like a charm.
From what I've read, there was another Air Korea crash soon after or before this one, and there were similar problems with cockpit communication. The crews didn't question their captains because Koreans take levels of authority very seriously. It's not customary to challenge a superior. Much chastisement would follow. Of course, in hindsight...
This is my childhood channel I was here wenn I was a young kid and was watching ur videos
People just can't perform nearly as well when overtired, as I think the Captain was. And flying in the wee hours only makes it worse.
That hill would have been on the Approach Plate.......That the 1st Officer job to know this.
I am sure this captain had flown into this airport many times, he should have known this too.
Fatigue, play a big part in this crash. imo.
I'm surprised a lot of first class passengers survived. One survivor said he saw a girl with her scalp hanging behind her head. They say flying is the safest form of travel, but probabilities and statistics are mere human constructs designed to excuse genuine threats and provide the illusion of security and safety.
Love your videos. I've gotta say, the AI voices are just a distraction though. While it's nice when you have the actual audio from the events sometimes, that's more of an added bonus. The AI voices were just weird and took away from the video.
I love your videos that’s what inspired me to build a Lego plane now I have 4 thank you so muck for making these videos edit I have six now
One less problem that we need to worry about.
@@deepthinker999 what?
@@deepthinker999 why is it a problem to worry about???
YOU are a naturally born story teller.
No AI voices please✨ Love your work!
May the people who perished in the crash of Korean Air flight 801 RIP.
So close 😪 when i fly home I'm set looking through the window, taking pictures with the excitement to see my family and eat local food. I can't imagine 😢
Amazing as usual. Kind of “meh” on the voices but not enough to matter. Thank you for your hard work researching and producing the video.
Great video.I understand there were nevertheless miraculously a large number of survivors of this crash. Would be good if you include this information.
So, do we know why the glide slope was not working? Wouldn't this have been a help to avoid this crash? Or is there something I don't know. It was not mentioned in the probable cause data.
cant believe how calm the people on the ATC was.. RIP Korean 801
Interesting to see a Nimitz class aircraft carrier in the background from 11:36.
Love your work. Your content and channels have been great and improving so much, but an honest criticism is that the Voice Overs really don’t fit your style and really aren’t necessary.
I was there. Me and my Korean wife were waiting Guam terminal for space A flight. We went to the crash scene to offer help (translation).