youtube was in the hand of a muslim before google bought it and it was GREAT. After google, it seems that jewsan wockcoksi or watever her name was a dog to the anti Muslim movement
We know that knowledge is power, so conversely, who's power is RUclips limiting with this misleading, ridiculous "warning"? There is nothing offensive in this video. Shame on you RUclips!
@@DB-nu6yb I highly agree. You can't try to fake a claim of offense just to hide history simply because it doesn't match your views. It's unethical and it teaches bad intellectual habits.
@@DB-nu6yb ok but the point is not being offensive or not. Some people can be offended by sheer reality, history, biology and physics. The point is that "I'm offended" should be irrelevant in a context of a rational discourse.
There are two sides to every story. Many people from former Ottoman territories today still resent the Ottomans. However it's the same with any empire, the Ottomans were no worse than anyone else (in fact they were probably a lot better). I don't see why people can't have a balanced view, instead it's either over-glorified, white-washing about how wonderful the Ottomans were, or over-the-top hatred and ranting and raving about how bad they were. How about we just accept them for what they were? Nearly every nation throughout history, if it had the military and diplomatic ability, expanded and created empires. It wasn't because they were evil, it was simply because they could. The Egyptians, Persians, Greeks, Romans, Mongolians, Arabs, Ottomans, British..... they did what is human nature, with the advantage they had at the time. Let go of the guilt, admire and respect, but also learn for the future not to make the same mistakes.
+tosgem This is all well and good, but the fact remains that some countries under Ottoman rule suffered a lot because of cultural and religious differences. Had they been conquered or under the rule of some other christian nation - I can only speak for Hungary in this case - the strain inflicted might have been less. For about 150 years, the country was a buffer zone for Austria and the Ottoman. During this period - as far as I'm aware - the population under Ottoman rule had declined drastically because those who ruled them wanted to get as much wealth from them as possible, since the land belonged to the sultan and they only used it for a limited time. I have no hate for the turkish people of today, but that doesn't mean I have to like what happened in the past.
Of course it wasn't all gloom or doom. But at least for the christians under the ottoman rule it was mostly not a very pleasent thing. Paying higher taxes, not being allowed basic rights. Then there was the blood tax (taking of christian children) and also regular kidnapping of christian brides. So much, that in some regions there were only weddings when there were at least half a dozen couples, in order to be able to fend off any such attempt. It is no coincidence that those parts who stayed the longest time under ottoman rule are less developped even till today (at least in Europe).
hey we east asia never forget what christian did to us give high tax if cant pay the answer is he will get kill. ok like yoi said muslim giv tax to christian yea you right not only christian muslim also must pay zakat to goverment so plzs read true history so you can know the truth
Beat that Strawman hard, Esteban Perz. No one said christian and no one said muslim. This was, obviously, a decision of the Turkish state not Islam. Islam only allowed room for such a morally bankrupt action. Obviously your mind cannot handle the assertion that 'non-whites' can be racist and morally bankrupt assholes.
Ottomans sick man period is like Todays USA. If people remembered fondly of the Ott Empire, there wouldn't be middle east like todays mess. And it was against the will of colonialists. There was even jewish disguising in muslim clothes and rebelling against state asking for Sheria law rule in modern Turkey. That level of oxymoron and manipulation within society, and with no modern media, pulling off games is somehow easier, because people are not informed on subjects during action. Many false propaganda has been carried out. And the peace within society was heavily injured. And all this was caused due to the necessity to centeralize the power in Istanbul. And that was a perfect fit for Europe's dreams. Because whole world was changing towards more and more centeralized states. And that was completely against the nature of the Ott Empire. You can see a similar faith happening to USA today. They get more and more centeralized, populist and one way of being American. And actually thats against the diverse and local culture of USA, more or less every other city is originally different. But now, that trend is changing. Especially, gentrification makes us loose the real history of cities. Everywhere becomes similar, a trendy cafe in china, a trendy cafe in Stockholm, if you just look at the image you cant guess where you are anymore. Americans will also i guess due to that, become a society where fractions fight with each other openly and thus tolerance decaying. Today USA has way heavier international Intelligence activity within its borders, compared to its history. This also was the case in Ottoman Empire, through the end, a huge influx of foreign intelligence services. Because country can not project enough power. Finally there is one more similarity which i think is the main reason for all of the above. Just like North Atlantic trade deal, Pacific trade deal on the way, Ottomans were crumbling under heavy economical give aways, to more competant countries. China and India by itself is like this today against America. And Americans loose more and more their freedom to put the price tag on for their own products. One similar empire that has certain similarity is Ancient China, but throughout History they have evolved to a Nation where a big margin feels connected and similar, unlike history, where every village has its own way of being a buddhist. But they changed that especially with Culture Revolution, some argue that it proves to be useful. But i think that it caused China to become from a poetically beautiful Empire with fine art and culture, to a concrete farm with no oxygen to smell and no taste not pleasurable architecture at all nearly.
greeks turks kurds arabs kroats serbs russian laz zaza hungarians etc etc were al in the ottoman army or goverment, infact serbian greek women maried the sultans, if thats not multiculturalism' wath is?
no pal that is imperialism these nationalities didn't join the Ottoman Empire by choice and sex slavery is not considered as an indicator for multiculturalism actually modern day ISIL would be considered more multicultural than the Ottoman at least its cross national fighters joined by choice
All true, but you missed the point. The reason for the Ottoman (and Austrian-Hungarian) empire decline was the change in the creation of wealth. The Ottoman were a trading/agricultural empire the new European empires were industrial based. The Ottoman empire was well placed to take advantage of trade and agriculture but was less well endowed with resources of the new industrial revolution. Other factors may have contributed and/or exacerbated but the change from trading/agriculture to industrial was the fundamental cause.
And no, not all is true. Get some facts from history that actually took place. Learn the life of Muhammad and you will learn the mind of a Muslim. There is no radical Islam and moderate Islam. There is only 1 Islam. There is no perforation between Muhammad slaughtering all that were non Muslim so Islam could create the Ottoman Empire and Pakistan finally becoming a state 70 years ago after a 1,000 year campaign of genocide against India. It's seamless from one to the other and done by the same faith. Now they create a lie called Palestine and look to gain more land from Israel. There is and never was a Palestine nor a Palestinian from a land called Palestine. Science has already proved that to be a fact.
Only if your history teacher is a Christian KKK grand wizard you will get this view Your statements are an affront to history and science on the whole and shows a mindset that is completely isolated from real life. It also shows complete uneducated or religious isolation and an oblivious view of subjective facts. If you read the Old testament you will see the mind of Christians and Jews? so wrath and genocide is allowed? stoning people to death and the keeping of slaves as well? you are saying all Christians and Jews are like this? BECAUSE THE CHRISTIAN AND JEWISH SCRIPTURES ARE ISLAM'S scriptures. Jesus and Moses are part of Islam, they'r teachings are Islams teachings. There is only education, and the lacking of. That is what you have in common with the extremist Islamist, fool.
Subjective = "based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions." Fact = "A fact is something that has really occurred or is actually true. The usual test for a statement of fact is verifiability-that is, whether it can be demonstrated to ... " Talk about lack of education and logic - there is no such thing as a "subjective fact". The rest of your dibble is illogical dibble and a baseless, uniformed, emotionally 'satisfying for you' rant.
Are you able to prove that +tripserpentine was just dismissing facts. Either you haven't read the bible and koran, or you just like to dismiss whatever doesn't come to your liking.
Ying ~ The modern economy is sooo very different, if i try to explain it to you, you would probably get a headache and not understand a word i say. yes some aspects are similar back in those days but still it has evolved to become immensely different.
One of the biggest reasons for their decline was the sultans and Islam's growing opposition to science and innovation. The printing press was banned on penalty of death for over 400 years in favour of traditional calligraphy. As a result, literacy rates in the Ottoman Empire remained shockingly low compared to Europe. A sharp contrast with the Islamic golden era where science, mathematics and technology was championed.
Most of Europe were peasants too. The only difference was that the printing press allowed the mass production of books, in particular the Bible. With books now more available to the general public there was a gradual increase in literacy.
Yes. And now in the US we public are captive to 'fake' news and even 'fake' legislation where bills are passed in the last days of an administration merely to have them mitigated by the new administration. Actual legislation is passed on the sly and under cover of a nonsense media storm. The military seems to govern itself with goals of world domination with western expansion exactly the author describes as seen in the failure to take Vienna. Note the failure of public education here in the US. Note that the numbers of hires from India and China. Note that the wars in the MIddle East and the coming wars in Africa are underwritten by keeping strong men in power by Visa bribes for entire sects and power groups. The US does not have a single tech improvement to offer. We are spinning drone warfare and selling cars. Cel phones are radios. Fusion will never happen. The rest of the world is actually practicing solar while we lag. Clean water will define the future survivors lives.
I think he should mention a "fun" fact about how the Janissaries were recruited. Basically every 5 year officials would take the strongest kids from Christian families and forcefully convert them to Islam and indoctrine them to become a highly disciplined military force.
Two things stood out in this video 1.The minting of money out of this air 2.How the Ottomans went from being great producers to consumers... sounds like America...doesn't it?
Except we're not an empire that relies on outward conquest to maintain ourselves. We can turn it around.. But we'd rather spend our money most on out military rather than fix our internal problems.
+Aleksia Malmgren yes but if we don't contribute money to our military, we would not be able to keep up with new military technology, and God forbid a war breaks out and we do not have the latest military technology...we would be doomed. it's not like we spend money on the military for no reason.
+Aleksia min skatt except america is actually an empire that actually conquest to force other countries to accept their market rules and invade countries like iraq for resources
+Aleksia min skatt USA is an empire, How ? you may ask.. sweetie, the ultimate goal of any empire used to invade, conquer and then pillage the resources of the invaded land. this is old school, thing of the past when you could not have US dollar as the only currency for international trade enforced by various means, only currency to trade oil because US declares a war on them. Saddam is an example. World bank and IMF to subjugate entire countries through their corrupt leaders. When you get a chance, read the book titled "Confessions of the economic hitman" by John Perkins and you will understand the game. you will understand how it is being done in this new world. Once upon a time, America was the greatest country in the world and it is continuously going down in pretty much every field. There are several reasons for it, one is Americans being in denial of this reality. I am an American myself and I do not take any pleasure in saying all of this rather I am bleeding from inside.
Graeme SYDNEY I said it's SIMILAR - not exactly the same. If you listen to the video you'll see how many of the things that the Ottoman empire did were the same as what the US is doing now.
Hm, this video was flagged by the YT community as offensive to some viewers. I wonder which viewers that would be, and I also wonder what their reasons are for being offended. I'm not inclined to take them seriously, but I am curious nonetheless.
Something that has to be said: the Ottomans were not idiots. They took gunpowder, made it a weapon and used Christians as the primary soldiers given their penchant for loyalty. They took advantage of their geographic position to profit off the trade between Europe and Asia. During WWI they hired help from Germany to get their military on par with the rest of the world. The problem is that the culture couldn't translate to the modern era.
As a Turk I approve. In Turkey, you have to learn English and read stuff that isn't written by a mainstream Turkish person to understand the importance of the issue and see the problems of the culture. Sadly the ones that can / are lucky to do this are really minority. It's sad that such closeminded ideologies still exist today
Levon Gevorgyan and there you're wrong, the main body of the Janisaries were Christian because of their loyalty which was not a strong quality among the warring turks
The turks built their empire off the sassanid and byzantine. Once they weren't able to conquer and expand they had nothing to fall back on no industry or agricultural strengths to hold up the economy. They were the best steppe warriors but tech caught up with them and they never innovated. The best thing the Ottomans did was force Europe into the age of exploration.
@@Regard1ess The idea is that the Ottomans banned the Europeans from trading with Persia, India and Arabia, and in doing so, forced the Europeans to attempt to find other routes to these trading partners. This got the Portugese to work on long distance naval travel, eventually setting up a trading empire in Africa and the Indian Ocean, and then the Americas were discovered by the Spanish. But I don't know that much about this stuff, so it may not be correct.
+AlbanianTroll I have many albanian friends in germany they love turks this is because they are muslims. Christ albanians like u hate us but thats no problem for me. But dont forget in albania lives more muslims as christ ;)
LifeisPain How the fuck does my comment make you think i am russian. u PROBABLY MISUNDERSTOOD. what i was tryin to say is everyone is mad at ottomans when they are living under thier rule for like 400 years..
this empire's effects are still visible at balkans.. not only its european people lost the benefits of renaissance but it forced peoples transitions that creates today troubles
bloodandwinearered IKR! I a Muslim but the Islamic states really messed up the somehow changed the meaning of Islam. It used to be the religion of tolerance, peace and understanding (it still is), but in practice, it is different today :(
I've listened to three of your videos, CaspianReport. I don't always know enough to agree, or always agree, but I enjoy listening. Keep up the good work.
This comment section is split in 4 sides *The Christian countries under Ottoman Empire who hate on the Empire *Turks who shit on the people from number 1 *The people who hate the Ottoman Empire making shit up(rare,but existing) *The smart people(from all people Turks,Greeks,Armenians ect.)who doesn't get into this fight Why cant we just live and comment on videos in peace?The stuff that group 1 uses to insult may have happened but it has been nearly 95 years since the Empire fell apart and there is no reason to start fights for fucks sake just live in peace
30 years ago I took a course in economic history, I remember the professor explaining that once the industrial revolution occurred in Britain, the technology was smuggled all over Europe (it was illegal to export plans of looms), except for the Ottoman Empire, because the commercial laws in the Empire made it impossible to set up profitable businesses.
I agree that economic reasons of the fall were the main ones but there were other factors. Ottoman Empire was constantly at war. There were numerous wars with Austria, Poland and Russia that continually drained manpower and wealth of the empire in 17th and 18th century. Those war are not known (because they were stalemate or minor gains for European powers) but if you read how many people participated and died in them you would be astonished.
JaLiberal actually this is untrue. there was something called the rose-era. there was no war for half a decade. but ultimately its like any other empire, ever expanding.
The religious minorities within the Ottoman Empire were protected by law, and religious non-Muslim minorities had to pay religious tax called Cizye in order not to serve in the Ottoman army. The only way for a non-Muslim to avoid the Cezye tax was by converting to Islam.
don't forget many people willingly converted because that is what their soul felt was the truth. hmm i see the bosnian flag. are you aware of much help bosnia receives from turkey?
Are you aware that most of Turkey's help is received from US and Israel? Sending Bosnia-Herzegovina some humanitarian aid by the Gulen Foundations is consider help! Nobody help anybody for free. Turkey getting lots of benefits in returns.
If Israel does help Turkey, it's probably because we saved so many Jews in WW2. America and other countries didn't accept many Jews, some of them were returned. US probably wants the rest of Middle East to be like Turkey. This is the first time I come across a person like you, a Bosnian that's ungrateful and hates Turkey.
Why should I like a country that acts as a super power, while it is a puppet! Why would I respect a country that uses the name of Islam for its own benefits? Why should I have respect for a nation that blames all of its mistakes on others (Arabs, Kurds, Bosnians, Albanians, Armenians...), and plays the victim role at all times! Why would I sympathy with a nation that its leaders, who are all theives, are the rules! Why would I have respect for a nation that always claims the work of others as its own, while it is not! What did Turkey do for Bosnia-Herzegovina since 14th century and until today!
Janissaries was not recruited, they were abducted as small children from christian parents. In Serbia it was called "Danak u krvi" (Tax in blood). Balkan (Byzant) was prosperus before Muslim came here by force. If there were no Otomans here this would be nice place to live today, nothing less then Italy or at least Spain today.Instead of that in Serbia, for instance, you can find many buildings from 12.,13. or 14.century and Turks has practicly build nothing for 300 years. Under their rule christian people in balkans where nothing but the slaves. Old churches was demolished, no rights where given, no culture no literacy was allowed... And they fell for one reason onley. They have not given even hint of FREEDOM not even for their own people. So they could not develop as European nations did. I cant remember what they give in science to the world, or in arts...
Janko Roncevic Ottomans took less tax from Christians than they did from the Turks, stop crying, Italy and Spain are shit your country won't get anywhere if you see them as your role model. And South-Eastern European countries are poor today because of the Soviet influence, not Turk. I know that you will try to not see this, but let's look at Eastern Germany or Poland if you want, these were never ruled by the Turks after Huns 1500 years ago. I am telling you these not as your enemy, I am not a Muslim nor a Christian, but start seeing the truth if you want to save your country from this pile of shit
ilikan99 I never cry about anything, i just like to explore history of the world and have some critical toughts.... Comunism and Soviet influence was another great misfortune, i agree. But many good things has happened during that period: i dustrialisation, education, health care, infrastructure just to name a few and stability - those 50 years was the longest period of peace in ex Yugoslav countries... Of course I dont think that the Turks are to be blame for ALL, neither i hate anybody for anything... I just dont like when somebody preise old empires just for their "power", "how much they conquer", had many soldiers or people they killed.... it looks little fascist to me... And Ottoman empire was not to long ago for bad stuff to be forgoten...... And even current Turkey president like to act like sultan.... while kurds and syrians suffer.... And Italy is, maybe, not a great country, but is pretty country and people are nice,and have a good life and their contribution to the world in science, literature, and art can not be questioned
ilikan99 Like it or not turks are much closer to serbs than scandinavians (regarding mentality, cusine and history..) This - our corner of planet is unique and beautiful. We should all try harder. Barış
I just read about 20 comments, 10 of which were truly crass and vulgar. Please do not take their insults personally, a casual look at their sentence structures will point out their low I.Q. I hope you enjoy making these video's and I hope you continue. Respectfully Bobby Ingram
I liked the way he presented the facts. Im reminded of my state which had turned into a net consumer entity since the oil boom in Arabia fattened a lot of pockets back home, thanks to the demand for migrant workers in the deserts.
I like how Bobby Ingram is chastising others here... blasting their "sentence structures" and their IQ levels... Then proceeds to put an apostrophe in the word 'videos' Hahahaha way to go you fake intellectual scumbag.
seriously...... when Suleiman the Magnificent killed his sons including his elder son Mustafa and the man whom he trusted Ibrahim. .....Ottoman empire started to go down.😟
Alpha Zey Very true. If the gradual decline of the Ottoman Empire could be traced back to one single event it would definitely be Suleiman the Magnificent's execution of his most intelligent and capable son Mustafa. This single act (which Suleiman later greatly regretted) is what caused his least capable son Selim to suceed him as Selim II who was a drunkard and a fool by most accounts. Selim II was the first of several weak, foolish and ineffective sultans (his son Murad III, Ibrahim, Mustafa I) that lead to a domino effect of social, economic and military decline in the Ottoman Empire. Luckily in between the period of gradual decline there were a few stronger, intelligent, and more capable sultans that temporarily halted the decline such as Murad IV, Ahmed I, and Suleiman II but unfortunately it wasn't enough.
@@kaizer0491 one of the causes of the decline of the Ottoman Empire was the harem where the Caliph spent too many hours with those lovely women and thus neglecting his duties and responsibilities.
The Spanish Empire was kind of similar, as it was not made of colonies like British or Dutch, but made of provinces, like the Roman, and it was sort of unified by religion as well.
Interesting bit on the Ottomans, I like the focus on the economics, not to mention the major battles and sociological evolution due to both factors. As a free marketeer/ classical liberal, the piece about the black market sourcing corruption in the bureaucracy and ultimate dissolution of the market and state makes a lot of sense to me; all too prevalent today. The balance between individualism/ voluntarism and authoritarianism continues as it has for centuries. Subbed and liked, thanks!
Ottomans is not a mutlicultural society. Ottomans were founded and managed by the Turks, her official language was Turkish, therefore she is a Turkish state but she includes a lot of minorities. It is different from your word. If we think so, all states includes minorities are multicultural.
@caspianreport I have been watching your videos and I love them! You give a very balanced, unbiased view on a lot of histories based on the facts. I wish all historians were like that :) Thank you!
He actually is biased. He didn't mention that most of the Christian soldiers in the Ottoman Empire were actually kidnapped since they were children. They didn't stay Christian as they were raised Muslim, many Christians revolt because of this but were brutally suppressed every time. The Ottomans also helped other Muslim empires raid Europe and Africa for more slaves to use in their harems and their armies.
Was my comment directed to you? No. My comment was directed to this video provided by Caspian Report. If you want to direct your message to this video, I suggest you add a comment right below the video description instead of replying to me. Thank you!
Yasemin Akay I'm sure he already knows this but refuses to state it. You can't just gloss over the slave trades when learning about the Ottoman Empire since it's a big part of it. I felt the need to reply to you because you claim that the uploader is "unbiased" However, that is the consequence of commenting on a public channel. If you are truly interested in history then you would heed to this too.
Yasemin Akay And refer to mine. First you insinuate he is unbiased, while accusing other historians of being biased. I am directing my message to you because of the statements you made.
what I meant by saying nothing is Turks did not oppress them or force them to convert to Islam and allowed them to follow their way of life,,Even Historians admit that,,Ottomans were to most tolerant empire that ever existed,Unlike Crusaders and spanish inquisition
They also oppressed them heavily, treated them like second class citizens, forbade them from serving in the military, forbade them from achieving high status in society, forbade them from owning weapons. Don't even dare to compare the Crusades and Spanish Inquisition to your genocidal fascist regime, Turk. The Crusades were in response to centuries of Islamic invasion, much of it Turkish by the way. The Inquisition was in response to MUslim oppression of SPain.
They murdered 1,500,000 Armenians, 750,000 Assyrians, and 900,000 Greeks. Not counting the massacres that occurred before the Young Turks began their genocidal regime. Nice try though.
I think a big aspect you've missed out is rising nationalism throughout their empire and the opposition they faced on their Russian front. Nationalist movements in Serb, Hungarian, Bulgarian, Bosniak, Albanian, Armenian and even Arab lands were a big component of how the Ottomans lost their footing. Internal strife and conflicts have peppered almost all of their 18th and 19th history and have contributed in a big way to their decline
The Ottoman culture, music, cuisine, folk dances, and national customs were and still are a mix of Greek, Arab, Kurd, Armenian, Assyrian, Balkans, and Georgian cultures with some Central Asian Turkic elements. The Turkic culture in the Ottoman and modern Turkish cultures is very minimal.
well said really, about the economy part of this video, exact same thing is happening... and 50% of the people are sleeping... The worst part is that you cannot wake them up. They turned into zombies..
The reason it was ahead was because they inherited the whole of Byzantine learning and history. You are making it sound like the Ottomans developed this civilization. The Ottomans were a nomadic people. They didn't know how to live in cities and didn't know how to develop urban technology. The fact that they conquered the Byzantines (the empires more or less have the same footprint) is responsible for their achievements. Their architecture is completely based on the Byzantine prototype. The reason their empire started to fall was because there was nothing left to conquer, and as a result, income and development by conquest ceased.
No if they were a primitive people then they wouldnt have huge quacking cannons! And other stuff that i dont know.. Also İdris Çelik Seriusly?! Facebook? You mean the the place were our ants post minions!
Teh turks already had major cities in the seljuq empire And the golden age of the ottomans this vidoe is talking about happened roughly 250 years after the byzantines were conquered
I think the reason why the Ottoman Empire fell is the same reason that the Chinese Empire fell; they couldn't keep up with the industrializing West. They were undefeated in the Middle Ages but as soon as the West reached Renaissance and the Age of Enlightenment, they started to decline.
I can see why there was a warning in this video. Shriven mentions the elite Janissary military force but not that Christian children were forceably taken sway from parents, converted to Islam, and made to serve. That would offend Greeks and Serbs and other Christians who historically suffered this under Ottoman rule.
TURKS: The Turkish tribes on the northeast borders of Iran had been nominally converted to Islam in the late tenth century.A tribal coalition under the leadership of Selchuqid clan was formed in the early eleventh century.Defeading the Ghaznavid Iranian army at the battle Dandanqan in 1040,Selchuqid Turks conquered Iran,entering Baghdad in triumph in 1055 as the restores of Sunni orthodoxy against shites Buyids and Fatimids. Their armies crushed the Byzantine army at the battle of Manzikert in 1071,and occupied Syria and Palestine by 1078. Selchuqid Turks had succeeded in stopping the Byzantine and Fatimid advance,thereby reestablishing Sunni ideology as the dominant political force in the Near East.The Turkish invasion of the Near East was a mixed blessing,causing a great deal of social and economic disruption. however Turks in many ways revitalized the Islamic world militarily.From the twelfth century on Turkish sultans and warbands formed the core of Islamic military power,leading the Islamic conquest of Anatolia,the Balkans and India. CRUSADERS: Since the original Islamic conquest in the seventh century,many Christians and Muslim religious leaders saw warfare between Muslims and Christian kings as a type of holy war.The military weakness of western Europe left it in no position to oppose the Muslim conquest of the Holy land,Spain,and Sicily.However,the decline of the Islamic world was contemporary with revival of European economic and military power in the eleventh century.Beginning in that century,Spanish Christians initiated the Reconquista,a five-century war against Spanish and North African Muslims.Norman adventurers conquered Sicily from Muslims between 1061 and 1091. The Major European assault against the Islamic world,however,was the Crusades.Between 1095 and 1291 seven major armies from Europe repeatedly invaded Syria,Palestine,and Egypt in attempts to capture and hold the holy city of Jerusalem.Although ultimately unsuccessful,the Crusades brought two centuries of turmoil to the Near East,which culminated in the rise of jihad ideology and militaristic Islamic dynasties which ousted the Europeans from the Near East,taking the holy war into the Balkans in the form of the Ottoman Turkish conquest.
Siddiq Ismail explain it.dont beat around the bush.I know for a fact you dont know the history..Prove me wrong by telling me the real history,,if other shit comes out of your mouth besides history means you are looking for a hole to run into
+Rogerrramjet1 History? Sure, Medeival Europe wasn't militarily weak, simply disunited. What the fuck do you want? You don't get to decide history based on your own opinions. Now, try again. This time use facts, not your biased opinions.
It is definitely from Turkish point of view. I got the same talks from our tourist guides in Turkey. I was wandering what happened to its conquered subjects.
42OuncesofPAIN what I meant by saying nothing is Turks did not oppress them or force them to convert to Islam and allowed them to follow their way of life,,Even Historians admit that,,Ottomans were to most tolerant empire that ever existed,Unlike Crusaders and spanish inquisition
+Rogerrramjet1 What about the Ottoman genocide against, Armenians, Greeks, Assyrians, Kurds? Only after Ataturk, Turkey (the successor of the Ottoman empire) became a secular state. Before that you had the occasional oppression and mass murder here and there like every empire with a main religion. Now about the forced conversion thing: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_conversion#Islam
+Paris Ninpo During the end of the Ottoman empire, the elite have become desperate to maintain their power and status..which lead to putting crazy people in power..as you can see, most of the massacre is in 18 and 19 century.. You know, when times are hard and your leader is an idiot, they'll blame the immigrant, the outsiders , the infidel and so on. Interestingly, the symptom can be seen on america today with donald trump... The Ottoman is an empire that live for a thousand of years, you can't judge them like you judge a person... Times change.. sometime they are peaceful and huge empire where million of people with different background live prosperously, sometime they full nazi and killing everyone..It depends on the leader and the crisis of the time
I find it very interesting that it is almost impossible especially back then to see the sign of your own decline until it brought to the forefront by some huge disasters. I find that most important battles in history are usually only important because of what happens after the battle, meaning that no strong state can be defeated in a single battle. I think the best example of this Manziert, the battle was a crushing defeat but it was only by exploiting the disunity of the empire following it that the Turks were able to bring the Byzantines to the edge of destruction.
Ali Bera Pinarbasi honest it is hard to tell if the United States is in decline or more if the rest of the world is catching up. Although that isn't too different.
I stopped watching after 1:02. "The Ottoman Empire didn't go down in flames fighting and there was no single major catastrophic event that triggered the ultimate decline" *WORLD! WAR! ONE!* -.-
Yes it was there, but it was there much like the Byzantines were there in 1453. Even the sultan was powerless, the country was pretty much ruled by the three pashas, whom are directly responsible for the genocides.
i think it is vice versa. Roman empire didnt fall because of the barbarian invasions, it fell because it was rapidly declining by that point, and it was going to go down. Barnarians finished the weak Western empire. same with the ottomans. A central powers victory would not prevent the collapse of the empire. it was rapidly declining anyway, and arabs were destined to revolt. At best it would delay the inevitable for twenty more years.
The Ottoman empire can be compared to the USA, is one of the funniest things I have heard in a while. No mention of the Armenian, Assyrian, or Pontus Greeks Genocide. This video completely ignored the actual reasons of the collapse and focused on a ridiculous argument regarding trade with Europe. Nice propaganda
i am so glad that we are done with all sorts of empires. the best and the only way to run a country is secular democratic republic. one person who realized this fact was kamal pasha at-turk. i am glad he did the right thing by deposing the sultan and expelling him from the country. i just learned that though kamal pasha was a good man, but he did not protect greek and arminian minorities in south west turkey when greek forces withdrew. the greek and arminians were robbed, and killed. the rest were expelled. the greeks did the same to turkis minority in their country. RELIGION MADE BOTH SIDES COMMIT ATROCITIES AGAINST MINORITIES.
We are in the era of economic empire. Do not think in terms of the empires of old... Assyrians, Romans, Ottomans, even the 19th century european empires... They are empires of the US Dollar, the Euro, the Yuan........ Economic empires, only marginally backed with military power. Play the game or pay the price.
I don't see anything here that most historians today would consider controversial. The Turks were demonized by earlier historians, for whom their outstanding traits were militarism and religious fanaticism. But if we compare them to Europeans of the same period (for example during the Inquisition or the 30 Years War), they were not so different, and possibly more enlightened. They could certainly not have ruled so huge an empire so long simply by force. They won over large populations, many of them non-Muslims who preferred ‘Better the Turkish Turban than the Papal Tiara’, as the proverb had it. The choice was not between Muslim despotism and Christian freedom, as we often see things these days, but between different forms of tyranny, of which the Christian sort was sometimes more oppressive. Non-Muslims served both in the army and in government offices, and some enjoyed great influence, as one may read, for example in "History of the Turkish Jews and Sephardim" by Elli Kohen. The Ottoman Empire suffered many of the same problems as its neighbors, the Austrian Empire and the Russian Empire: Huge corruption and inefficiency, together with the awakening nationalism of subject peoples and a lagging technology, which made them vulnerable to the rising powers of Western Europe: England, France and Germany. All three empires left the historical stage together, which was no coincidence. The time of empires was over, a fact already lamented by that famous imperialist, Rudyard Kipling, in his poem "Recessional" (1897). For further study of the conflict between the Ottoman Empire and the West, I recommended Andrew Wheatcroft's book "The Enemy at the Gate".
It would be terrific if you say instead of " multicultural army", that Jews and Christians were forced to convert or pay a tax . Facts and accuracy is very important when teaching world history.
First part of your video claiming they were a Multicultural system: A Janissary Army is no doubt a non-Islamic military but to claim they were a loyal willing part of the Ottoman Empire is an amazingly naive statement to make.
Thank you for this history lesson. Nice stuff. İnteresting also... all places lost by the Otteman Empire are all right now poor in war or in danger. Look the Balkan countries. ... lost by the Ottemans. ..what happend. ..ww1 because of Balkan. ...ww2 also... and war in 1990... Look to Nord Afrika...all problems Look to middle easy. .. bloody war in Syria. .. Irak was longtime in war... Yemen. ... other places. .. Keep in mind in Thé Otteman Time all these places had peace. No need for cassels because it was safe. peace for more than 400 years...and compared to the world... Thé Richest part of the world. And right know. ... dead people poor people and not knowing what kind future people Will have. and About the Balkan countries. ... Onze They where the part of de centre of Otteman Empire. They could reach high levels within an Mighty Empire in inside the government or as an busnissman. ... now.. all small poor countries taken over by imf or German companies.
You forgot to mention how the Ottomans massacred Christian minorities in world war 1 or kidnapped women to marry turkish men and adopted their kids to turkish families.
You forgot to mention what the mongols done the roman empire the persians the americans the british that killed the natives of america australia etc :p
I see in this video metaphors for life. When the Ottomans were in an bad position they deicided to print more money instead of admitting that they have a problem they chose to deny it and manufacture artificial means to cope of with the problem instead of really solving the problem. Happens in life as well. I love your works Shirvan, they are great.
You are absolutely right. USA's jobs are shipped overseas, reduced production and increased consuming. USA is turning into aristocracy(for example Bush-Clinton dynasty). Large corporations basically buying democracy. Corporate lobbying=corruption.
+rula karbes lol I love seeing you people getting mad about this kinda stuff, this is how I see it.... I don't really care just as long as it doesn't affect me
+SuperNoobProdigy This video was about the decline of a superpower, its narrative draws erie parallels with the US, and that doesn't scare you? I have a buddy with the same rationale as you and you both need to pull your heads from between your legs. "Decline" in reference to the US will lead to a devastating domestic array of problems including vast increases in the prices of goods, seizure of industry growth, less domestic and foreign security, etc. if you don't worry about it before it effects you, you're inviting hardship on yourself and others. So don't scoff at the adults who understand not only the importance of history but the need to engage in pertinent debates aiming to avoid becoming the next failed empire.
The thing is, ottomans was not angels of course, but you have to acknowledge that they were more tolerant than the contemperary empires, I mean when they were powerfull.
outatis ater Balkan nations were under ottoman rule for centuries. Even though it was a bad thing, at least they kept their idendity. After reconquista, all the muslims in the spain were destroyed. Does that mean something to you ?
Lyoko bölümleri And all Christians in modern day Turkey were destroyed as well, suffered of genocide or deportion. Does that mean something to you like you are an ignorant.
You missed the words "in its time". The Umayyad Caliphate (which didn't see itself as an empire, though I guess it really was) was much earlier. They were ousted by the Abbasids in 750, and after that controlled only Andalus until that was captured piecemeal by the Almohads in the C12 CE. You're wrong anyway. At its maximum extent the Umayyad Caliphate controlled 15 million sq.km. In 1595, the Ottomans ruled 19.9 million sq. km. The discrepancy in population must have been even greater.
@@luqmanosman4508 absolutely. christian nations had a status equal to slavery. in order for a society to be multicultural, minor cultures are suposed to have some rights, to start with and then some political power. none of that. ottoman empire consisted of multitued of cultures, but that alone doesnt make it multicultural.
By 19th century (under pressure from the European powers) the Ottoman enacted several laws that made all the peoples equals. This equality later led to an unequal economic and social system. And eventually this contributed to the ethnic tensions. As for the French and British, nobody "saves" anyone in geopolitics. The French and the British needed to keep the Ottoman-Russian balance, or face an even more powerful Russian Empire. It was all part of the politics.
@@coolstory And even in the case of the US it still isn't a carbon copy. The US still attracts a lot of foreign people to work and invent inside of the US, thus creating a brain drain in other countries. Also are certain US-institutions corrupted but not all and not at that level. There is still a certain stability and even the possibility of reform to reach a higher standard for all its citizens.
My country ( Serbia ) was conquered and almost destroyed under the Turks . We were their subjects for 500 years !!! Our children were taken away and turned into Janichars ( elite fanatic fighters ), our women were raped, noted men killed , culture mocked and lots of Serbs were converted to Islam under terrible threats !
Dusan Krazic the owner of this channel is a Muslim and I suspect he is a member of the Muslim brotherhood, he was lying about how good the Turks were to Jews and Christians. Lol
same thing is happening now. your youth are leaving to europe and america. your women are doing prostitution. and you are being converted into protestant democracy ideology. your culture is disregarded by the western pop culture. your country, your resources are being bought by the european rich. when i say you, i mean the whole balkans and eastern europeans.
+Son Of Kemet The question arises - if they were as tolerant as you say, why take Christian boys from the Balkans only? Where there not Muslim boys? No, there were more than enough muslim boys. I will agree that the Ottomans were tolerant to some degree, but don't forget the massacres done by the Turks against the Greeks, Assyrian Christians and Armenians. The only reason why Albania, Kosovo, Bosnia-Herzegovina became Muslim majorities was because the poor Christians peasants couldn't afford to pay the jiziya. Im a ex-Muslim not a Christian, Islam is anyways false.
the thing is , the beginning was very positive, but now its influence is ending just like the ottomans , choose your leaders carefully , a great empire only colapses from the inside
Patrick McCarthy Yeah it wasn't Bush and the Iraq war that started the decline, don't forget the economic collapse. And trillions of debt and American economy near bankruptsy, even China owning the debt. Congress/Senate exactly the same as those corrupt Turkish elite.
AK Smith What an idiotic liberal you are. You must be all of 20. It wasn't Bushes war it was everyones war and almost everyone including 99% of the Democrats didn't just support it they demanded it you stupid child. Additionally most of Americas debt is owned by America itself and if you had a brain in your entire body you'd know that. What is it with you liberals and facts anyway? You're all so full of shit.
The very first statement is "At its peak (which was in 1600s) It was ahead of its competition in science size science military and culture" In terms of size the Spanish empire in the 1600s was larger than the Ottoman Empire. Spain controlled Mexico Argentina Columbia Peru Chile Bolivia etc Science? lol that one thing the ottoman lack behind in. After Constantinople was conquered all the Greek scholars left the city and moved to Italy. This sparked the Renaissance from the 14th to the 17th century, and is regarded as the cultural bridge between the Middle Ages and modern history. It started as a cultural movement in Italy (not in the Ottoman Empire) in the Medieval period and later spread to the rest of Europe, marking the beginning of the Modern age. The Ottoman Empire didn't reform only after the European did. Military. Ok that's one thing the Ottoman Empire was known for. Culture. The ottoman always adopted European culture. When they took over the Byzantine empire they adopted Byzantine architecture and customs. They even named themselves the 3rd Roman Empire. When Western Europeans began to modernize the sultan Suleiman I adopted European customs.
The Ottoman Army was not made up of Christian and Jews. It was made up of Muslims. Christians and Jews were mostly exempt as many of them paid the Jizya tax. The Janissary corp of the Ottoman army was made up of Christian converts to Islam, so they were no longer Christians. The Ottoman army was however a multi-ethnic army with Turks, Anatolians, Bulgarians, Greeks, Albanians, Croats, Hungarians, and later Arabs, etc.
the janassary were young boys taken from many ethnic groups muslims & christians mostly exept turks raised to be ofc muslims and fighted they were mainly greeks armenians and people from the caucausus they were never turks it's the same concept of mamluks in egypt and ghulams in persia except the mamluks were slaves the janissary were not
mehmet tafa ofc they are muslim they were trained since young age to be muslim just like what ISIS do now and they were the main core of the army and with the small group of turkish cavalry real turks never fighted on foot it is considred a shame to fight on foot that's why the Ottomans invested in the janissary foot soldiers
Douwe van Netten actually ottoman empire was the very first of its kind. America today is modelled after the ottomans. All the best scientists used to go to ottoman empire because that was the land where mathematics and science was flourishing at the time while europeans were hanging from trees. Just like now usa is where the modern world is flourishing in science and technology while middle east is getting bombed. I'm not biased like you. We have to accept facts.
I found that interesting, and reading some of the comments it's also thought provoking. It's good to see other peoples point of view, and though I might not agree with some of them, it's good to have the debate. Nice one.
I like it. I had heard that they couldn't keep up technologically but I didn't know that the primary cause was economic in nature. Interesting to see how money and the gradual freezing of the class system played a part as well. Too bad you didn't cover their ultimate defeat. Morally, I can't say any empire was good. But in terms of sheer power and prestige, the Ottomans were right up there.
Especially the reforms of the Janissary Corps inflicted tremendous damage to the empire. Disliked Sultans were simply put out of power and much more favourable Sultans were brought to the throne. They terrorized the empire for their own agendas. A pity that the Sultans didn't stay strong and kept them in their places.
Fantastic, informative video. I don't see why it's be flagged as inappropriate. I'm not sure if that's a decision by an algorithm or a human being, but it needs to be changed.
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Seriously RUclips... ?
Riccardo Bove RUclips’s run by tunnel vision lil pansy’s who think everything they say makes them a prophet and should followed without criticism,,
Because these comment sections are usually canceeeeer
even myself find that the censorship is very odd. too odd. RUclips what is wrong you now. Replace your ceo with better one damn it
Beacuse is about Islam, really youtube??
youtube was in the hand of a muslim before google bought it and it was GREAT. After google, it seems that jewsan wockcoksi or watever her name was a dog to the anti Muslim movement
Why in the world did RUclips label this as offensive material?
Turkish ultra nationalism but tbh I don't know why it would effect Yt
Armenian and Greeks mass reporting the video
Totally sick that RUclips is now a "censor machine" - and this is so benign
We know that knowledge is power, so conversely, who's power is RUclips limiting with this misleading, ridiculous "warning"? There is nothing offensive in this video. Shame on you RUclips!
@@DB-nu6yb I highly agree. You can't try to fake a claim of offense just to hide history simply because it doesn't match your views. It's unethical and it teaches bad intellectual habits.
@@DB-nu6yb ok but the point is not being offensive or not. Some people can be offended by sheer reality, history, biology and physics. The point is that "I'm offended" should be irrelevant in a context of a rational discourse.
Corporations don't believe in human rights
Smh that's probably why YT tried to censor the Red Pill movement and the comments against liberal views 👎🏾
there's a content warning on this video now. some people
Liberals and Progressives...
@@Georgios1821 it has nothing to do with that you idiot, if you understood Turkish view of history then you would know why.
Wokes and foolish people who think Islamophobia is real....
There are two sides to every story. Many people from former Ottoman territories today still resent the Ottomans. However it's the same with any empire, the Ottomans were no worse than anyone else (in fact they were probably a lot better).
I don't see why people can't have a balanced view, instead it's either over-glorified, white-washing about how wonderful the Ottomans were, or over-the-top hatred and ranting and raving about how bad they were. How about we just accept them for what they were? Nearly every nation throughout history, if it had the military and diplomatic ability, expanded and created empires. It wasn't because they were evil, it was simply because they could. The Egyptians, Persians, Greeks, Romans, Mongolians, Arabs, Ottomans, British..... they did what is human nature, with the advantage they had at the time. Let go of the guilt, admire and respect, but also learn for the future not to make the same mistakes.
+tosgem This is all well and good, but the fact remains that some countries under Ottoman rule suffered a lot because of cultural and religious differences. Had they been conquered or under the rule of some other christian nation - I can only speak for Hungary in this case - the strain inflicted might have been less.
For about 150 years, the country was a buffer zone for Austria and the Ottoman. During this period - as far as I'm aware - the population under Ottoman rule had declined drastically because those who ruled them wanted to get as much wealth from them as possible, since the land belonged to the sultan and they only used it for a limited time.
I have no hate for the turkish people of today, but that doesn't mean I have to like what happened in the past.
Of course it wasn't all gloom or doom. But at least for the christians under the ottoman rule it was mostly not a very pleasent thing.
Paying higher taxes, not being allowed basic rights. Then there was the blood tax (taking of christian children) and also regular kidnapping of christian brides. So much, that in some regions there were only weddings when there were at least half a dozen couples, in order to be able to fend off any such attempt.
It is no coincidence that those parts who stayed the longest time under ottoman rule are less developped even till today (at least in Europe).
hey we east asia never forget what christian did to us give high tax if cant pay the answer is he will get kill. ok like yoi said muslim giv tax to christian yea you right not only christian muslim also must pay zakat to goverment so plzs read true history so you can know the truth
Beat that Strawman hard, Esteban Perz. No one said christian and no one said muslim. This was, obviously, a decision of the Turkish state not Islam. Islam only allowed room for such a morally bankrupt action. Obviously your mind cannot handle the assertion that 'non-whites' can be racist and morally bankrupt assholes.
Ottomans sick man period is like Todays USA. If people remembered fondly of the Ott Empire, there wouldn't be middle east like todays mess. And it was against the will of colonialists. There was even jewish disguising in muslim clothes and rebelling against state asking for Sheria law rule in modern Turkey. That level of oxymoron and manipulation within society, and with no modern media, pulling off games is somehow easier, because people are not informed on subjects during action. Many false propaganda has been carried out. And the peace within society was heavily injured. And all this was caused due to the necessity to centeralize the power in Istanbul. And that was a perfect fit for Europe's dreams. Because whole world was changing towards more and more centeralized states. And that was completely against the nature of the Ott Empire. You can see a similar faith happening to USA today. They get more and more centeralized, populist and one way of being American. And actually thats against the diverse and local culture of USA, more or less every other city is originally different. But now, that trend is changing. Especially, gentrification makes us loose the real history of cities. Everywhere becomes similar, a trendy cafe in china, a trendy cafe in Stockholm, if you just look at the image you cant guess where you are anymore. Americans will also i guess due to that, become a society where fractions fight with each other openly and thus tolerance decaying. Today USA has way heavier international Intelligence activity within its borders, compared to its history. This also was the case in Ottoman Empire, through the end, a huge influx of foreign intelligence services. Because country can not project enough power. Finally there is one more similarity which i think is the main reason for all of the above. Just like North Atlantic trade deal, Pacific trade deal on the way, Ottomans were crumbling under heavy economical give aways, to more competant countries. China and India by itself is like this today against America. And Americans loose more and more their freedom to put the price tag on for their own products. One similar empire that has certain similarity is Ancient China, but throughout History they have evolved to a Nation where a big margin feels connected and similar, unlike history, where every village has its own way of being a buddhist. But they changed that especially with Culture Revolution, some argue that it proves to be useful. But i think that it caused China to become from a poetically beautiful Empire with fine art and culture, to a concrete farm with no oxygen to smell and no taste not pleasurable architecture at all nearly.
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Reads comments: IQ decreases.
except for the many errors in the video regarding the nature of the Ottoman empire, for example the 'beaken of multiculturalism' it never was...
Tasin Al-Hassan hahaha true my friend
the most arrogant group of people on the face of this planet and god knows why
greeks turks kurds arabs kroats serbs russian laz zaza hungarians etc etc were al in the ottoman army or goverment, infact serbian greek women maried the sultans, if thats not multiculturalism' wath is?
no pal that is imperialism these nationalities didn't join the Ottoman Empire by choice and sex slavery is not considered as an indicator for multiculturalism actually modern day ISIL would be considered more multicultural than the Ottoman at least its cross national fighters joined by choice
All true, but you missed the point. The reason for the Ottoman (and Austrian-Hungarian) empire decline was the change in the creation of wealth. The Ottoman were a trading/agricultural empire the new European empires were industrial based. The Ottoman empire was well placed to take advantage of trade and agriculture but was less well endowed with resources of the new industrial revolution.
Other factors may have contributed and/or exacerbated but the change from trading/agriculture to industrial was the fundamental cause.
Graeme SYDNEY it's Austro Hungarian empire not Austrian hungarian
And no, not all is true. Get some facts from history that actually took place. Learn the life of Muhammad and you will learn the mind of a Muslim. There is no radical Islam and moderate Islam. There is only 1 Islam. There is no perforation between Muhammad slaughtering all that were non Muslim so Islam could create the Ottoman Empire and Pakistan finally becoming a state 70 years ago after a 1,000 year campaign of genocide against India. It's seamless from one to the other and done by the same faith. Now they create a lie called Palestine and look to gain more land from Israel. There is and never was a Palestine nor a Palestinian from a land called Palestine. Science has already proved that to be a fact.
Only if your history teacher is a Christian KKK grand wizard you will get this view
Your statements are an affront to history and science on the whole and shows a mindset that is completely isolated from real life. It also shows complete uneducated or religious isolation and an oblivious view of subjective facts.
If you read the Old testament you will see the mind of Christians and Jews? so wrath and genocide is allowed? stoning people to death and the keeping of slaves as well?
you are saying all Christians and Jews are like this? BECAUSE THE CHRISTIAN AND JEWISH SCRIPTURES ARE ISLAM'S scriptures. Jesus and Moses are part of Islam, they'r teachings are Islams teachings.
There is only education, and the lacking of. That is what you have in common with the extremist Islamist, fool.
Subjective = "based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions."
Fact = "A fact is something that has really occurred or is actually true. The usual test for a statement of fact is verifiability-that is, whether it can be demonstrated to ... "
Talk about lack of education and logic - there is no such thing as a "subjective fact".
The rest of your dibble is illogical dibble and a baseless, uniformed, emotionally 'satisfying for you' rant.
Are you able to prove that +tripserpentine was just dismissing facts. Either you haven't read the bible and koran, or you just like to dismiss whatever doesn't come to your liking.
"The Turks were no longer producing, instead they were consuming." 6:37
It sounds like you-know-who...
U.S. Into the cannibal's pot we go...............
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Ying ~ who
Ying ~ The modern economy is sooo very different, if i try to explain it to you, you would probably get a headache and not understand a word i say. yes some aspects are similar back in those days but still it has evolved to become immensely different.
some do read between the lines
One of the biggest reasons for their decline was the sultans and Islam's growing opposition to science and innovation. The printing press was banned on penalty of death for over 400 years in favour of traditional calligraphy. As a result, literacy rates in the Ottoman Empire remained shockingly low compared to Europe. A sharp contrast with the Islamic golden era where science, mathematics and technology was championed.
+C Mac Totally agree
Dont talk shit there, the literacy rate was low because my peole in the ottoman empire, especially the population was peasants.
Most of Europe were peasants too. The only difference was that the printing press allowed the mass production of books, in particular the Bible. With books now more available to the general public there was a gradual increase in literacy.
Yes. And now in the US we public are captive to 'fake' news and even 'fake' legislation where bills are passed in the last days of an administration merely to have them mitigated by the new administration. Actual legislation is passed on the sly and under cover of a nonsense media storm. The military seems to govern itself with goals of world domination with western expansion exactly the author describes as seen in the failure to take Vienna.
Note the failure of public education here in the US. Note that the numbers of hires from India and China. Note that the wars in the MIddle East and the coming wars in Africa are underwritten by keeping strong men in power by Visa bribes for entire sects and power groups.
The US does not have a single tech improvement to offer. We are spinning drone warfare and selling cars. Cel phones are radios. Fusion will never happen. The rest of the world is actually practicing solar while we lag. Clean water will define the future survivors lives.
C Mac What "The printing press was banned on penalty of death" that's new any proof?
I think he should mention a "fun" fact about how the Janissaries were recruited.
Basically every 5 year officials would take the strongest kids from Christian families and forcefully convert them to Islam and indoctrine them to become a highly disciplined military force.
thats good
Two things stood out in this video
1.The minting of money out of this air
2.How the Ottomans went from being great producers to consumers...
sounds like America...doesn't it?
Except we're not an empire that relies on outward conquest to maintain ourselves. We can turn it around.. But we'd rather spend our money most on out military rather than fix our internal problems.
+Aleksia Malmgren yes but if we don't contribute money to our military, we would not be able to keep up with new military technology, and God forbid a war breaks out and we do not have the latest military technology...we would be doomed. it's not like we spend money on the military for no reason.
+Aleksia min skatt except america is actually an empire that actually conquest to force other countries to accept their market rules and invade countries like iraq for resources
+Aleksia min skatt USA is an empire, How ? you may ask.. sweetie, the ultimate goal of any empire used to invade, conquer and then pillage the resources of the invaded land. this is old school, thing of the past when you could not have US dollar as the only currency for international trade enforced by various means, only currency to trade oil because US declares a war on them. Saddam is an example. World bank and IMF to subjugate entire countries through their corrupt leaders. When you get a chance, read the book titled "Confessions of the economic hitman" by John Perkins and you will understand the game. you will understand how it is being done in this new world. Once upon a time, America was the greatest country in the world and it is continuously going down in pretty much every field. There are several reasons for it, one is Americans being in denial of this reality. I am an American myself and I do not take any pleasure in saying all of this rather I am bleeding from inside.
+nimer e Every great empire comes to an end
This is similar to what is happening to the US.
Vitality Massage hopefully not
"Vitality Massage2 This is similar to what is happening to the US."
No its not. Different age, different issues.
Graeme SYDNEY I said it's SIMILAR - not exactly the same. If you listen to the video you'll see how many of the things that the Ottoman empire did were the same as what the US is doing now.
Vitality Massage every empire will eventually collapse but US will be like ottomans as both are multinational continental empire
Graeme SYDNEY centruies can be different but human nature is same, thats why they say history repeat itself
Hm, this video was flagged by the YT community as offensive to some viewers. I wonder which viewers that would be, and I also wonder what their reasons are for being offended.
I'm not inclined to take them seriously, but I am curious nonetheless.
Thank U Ottoman Empire for Istanbul ..Most beautiful place in the world..!
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@@themitri5643 How?
Something that has to be said: the Ottomans were not idiots. They took gunpowder, made it a weapon and used Christians as the primary soldiers given their penchant for loyalty. They took advantage of their geographic position to profit off the trade between Europe and Asia. During WWI they hired help from Germany to get their military on par with the rest of the world. The problem is that the culture couldn't translate to the modern era.
No. Christians were forbidden from serving. The Christians you speak of were born Christian, but converted later on.
As a Turk I approve. In Turkey, you have to learn English and read stuff that isn't written by a mainstream Turkish person to understand the importance of the issue and see the problems of the culture. Sadly the ones that can / are lucky to do this are really minority. It's sad that such closeminded ideologies still exist today
Those christians were slaves forced to convert to evil islam
Levon Gevorgyan forced to convert
Levon Gevorgyan and there you're wrong, the main body of the Janisaries were Christian because of their loyalty which was not a strong quality among the warring turks
The turks built their empire off the sassanid and byzantine. Once they weren't able to conquer and expand they had nothing to fall back on no industry or agricultural strengths to hold up the economy. They were the best steppe warriors but tech caught up with them and they never innovated. The best thing the Ottomans did was force Europe into the age of exploration.
best comment !
onur şenol they were doing fine with agriculture but they couldnt keep up with the industrial revolution
Well said. Ottoman Empire couldn't keep up with tech innovation and exploration of the West.
Sounds like a child. You were need to say dat Islam and monarchy was stopping their science and innovations.
@@Regard1ess The idea is that the Ottomans banned the Europeans from trading with Persia, India and Arabia, and in doing so, forced the Europeans to attempt to find other routes to these trading partners. This got the Portugese to work on long distance naval travel, eventually setting up a trading empire in Africa and the Indian Ocean, and then the Americas were discovered by the Spanish. But I don't know that much about this stuff, so it may not be correct.
Ask Bulgarians and Greeks for their viewpoint on the Ottoman empire.
+AlbanianTroll I have many albanian friends in germany they love turks this is because they are muslims. Christ albanians like u hate us but thats no problem for me. But dont forget in albania lives more muslims as christ ;)
well there is no reason for hate human being is human
+AlbanianTroll I love albanian people and I'm french.
Ask a Macedonian about the Greeks or vice versa, and then ask them about AlexanderXD
LifeisPain How the fuck does my comment make you think i am russian.
u PROBABLY MISUNDERSTOOD.
what i was tryin to say is everyone is mad at ottomans when they are living under thier rule for like 400 years..
this empire's effects are still visible at balkans.. not only its european people lost the benefits of renaissance but it forced peoples transitions that creates today troubles
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Seriously?
How can you compare the Ottoman Empire with the United States? It was a brutal autocracy where the sultan had all the power.
@NeoTurkism don't think that Orthodox Christians will forget what you just did to Hagia Sofia, that was a bad move
Ottomans were so technologically advanced they had to use european cannons
Ottomans used their own cannons before the decline period.
Europe was a shithole.
@@abumuhaiminul9818 exactly bro preach who need nobel prizes when yoi have sucide bombers
Ottoman empire, rotting from within.
seems to be the eventual fate of any empire...
Gendo ruwo True.
every bird has to land sooner or later..
Yep, this applies to every empire ever. I think the next to fall will be the USA
What killed the ottoman empire was the growing nationalism of the minorities.
Haters gonna hate
They will never accept the fact that Ottoman Empire was one of strongest and unique Empires world has ever seen
And like every empire before it eventually declined, crumbled and disappeared.
Ziim yes, unfortunately... :(
Turkic Ultra-Nationalist yeah, totally not biased aren't you? The ottoman empire was a cancer that contributes little to nothing to the world.
History dictates what I believe, but it is not the word I live in. There was a golden era of Islam, long, long ago. Look at Islam today.
bloodandwinearered IKR! I a Muslim but the Islamic states really messed up the somehow changed the meaning of Islam. It used to be the religion of tolerance, peace and understanding (it still is), but in practice, it is different today :(
I've listened to three of your videos, CaspianReport. I don't always know enough to agree, or always agree, but I enjoy listening. Keep up the good work.
This comment section is split in 4 sides
*The Christian countries under Ottoman Empire who hate on the Empire
*Turks who shit on the people from number 1
*The people who hate the Ottoman Empire making shit up(rare,but existing)
*The smart people(from all people Turks,Greeks,Armenians ect.)who doesn't get into this fight
Why cant we just live and comment on videos in peace?The stuff that group 1 uses to insult may have happened but it has been nearly 95 years since the Empire fell apart and there is no reason to start fights for fucks sake
just live in peace
Shiny Dewott Fuck turkey
La Baka learn English please
Than you can express your hate in a serious way
Coz now you just sound like an idiot
Shiny Dewott U happy? xD
La Baka better
Shiny Dewott Btw ur racist u forgot Albanians hating turks in ur comment fu :D
30 years ago I took a course in economic history, I remember the professor explaining that once the industrial revolution occurred in Britain, the technology was smuggled all over Europe (it was illegal to export plans of looms), except for the Ottoman Empire, because the commercial laws in the Empire made it impossible to set up profitable businesses.
I agree that economic reasons of the fall were the main ones but there were other factors.
Ottoman Empire was constantly at war. There were numerous wars with Austria, Poland and Russia that continually drained manpower and wealth of the empire in 17th and 18th century. Those war are not known (because they were stalemate or minor gains for European powers) but if you read how many people participated and died in them you would be astonished.
JaLiberal actually this is untrue. there was something called the rose-era. there was no war for half a decade. but ultimately its like any other empire, ever expanding.
cecil123 lol. yeah the brits were nothing like that...sarcasm.
JaLiberal Poland? They only had a few fights with ottomans. In every event some random dude slams Polandstan there like it matters...
KAWAII OBAMA Half a decade, that's 5 years, an empire lasting for almost 800 years, take away 5 years, so they've been at war for the other 795?
The religious minorities within the Ottoman Empire were protected by law, and religious non-Muslim minorities had to pay religious tax called Cizye in order not to serve in the Ottoman army. The only way for a non-Muslim to avoid the Cezye tax was by converting to Islam.
Since the Christian minorities were protected by law, why the 2.5 million Christians in Anatolia alone were slaughtered by Ottomans?
don't forget many people willingly converted because that is what their soul felt was the truth. hmm i see the bosnian flag. are you aware of much help bosnia receives from turkey?
Are you aware that most of Turkey's help is received from US and Israel?
Sending Bosnia-Herzegovina some humanitarian aid by the Gulen Foundations is consider help! Nobody help anybody for free. Turkey getting lots of benefits in returns.
If Israel does help Turkey, it's probably because we saved so many Jews in WW2. America and other countries didn't accept many Jews, some of them were returned. US probably wants the rest of Middle East to be like Turkey. This is the first time I come across a person like you, a Bosnian that's ungrateful and hates Turkey.
Why should I like a country that acts as a super power, while it is a puppet! Why would I respect a country that uses the name of Islam for its own benefits?
Why should I have respect for a nation that blames all of its mistakes on others (Arabs, Kurds, Bosnians, Albanians, Armenians...), and plays the victim role at all times!
Why would I sympathy with a nation that its leaders, who are all theives, are the rules!
Why would I have respect for a nation that always claims the work of others as its own, while it is not!
What did Turkey do for Bosnia-Herzegovina since 14th century and until today!
Thank You for the wonderful analysis and clarification. Deeply appreciated as this understanding is exactly what is needed.
"Largest Islamic empire"
Tell that to the ummayads
Or the abbasids
@@babelouedranger3040 Ottomans were larger than abbasids, only ummayads is a little bit larger than the Ottomans.
largest of its time!! do ya not listen??
Janissaries was not recruited, they were abducted as small children from christian parents. In Serbia it was called "Danak u krvi" (Tax in blood).
Balkan (Byzant) was prosperus before Muslim came here by force. If there were no Otomans here this would be nice place to live today, nothing less then Italy or at least Spain today.Instead of that in Serbia, for instance, you can find many buildings from 12.,13. or 14.century and Turks has practicly build nothing for 300 years. Under their rule christian people in balkans where nothing but the slaves. Old churches was demolished, no rights where given, no culture no literacy was allowed...
And they fell for one reason onley. They have not given even hint of FREEDOM not even for their own people. So they could not develop as European nations did. I cant remember what they give in science to the world, or in arts...
Janko Roncevic
F_ck the Ottoman Empire!
Janko Roncevic Ottomans took less tax from Christians than they did from the Turks, stop crying, Italy and Spain are shit your country won't get anywhere if you see them as your role model. And South-Eastern European countries are poor today because of the Soviet influence, not Turk. I know that you will try to not see this, but let's look at Eastern Germany or Poland if you want, these were never ruled by the Turks after Huns 1500 years ago. I am telling you these not as your enemy, I am not a Muslim nor a Christian, but start seeing the truth if you want to save your country from this pile of shit
ilikan99
I never cry about anything, i just like to explore history of the world and have some critical toughts....
Comunism and Soviet influence was another great misfortune, i agree. But many good things has happened during that period: i dustrialisation, education, health care, infrastructure just to name a few and stability - those 50 years was the longest period of peace in ex Yugoslav countries...
Of course I dont think that the Turks are to be blame for ALL, neither i hate anybody for anything... I just dont like when somebody preise old empires just for their "power", "how much they conquer", had many soldiers or people they killed.... it looks little fascist to me...
And Ottoman empire was not to long ago for bad stuff to be forgoten...... And even current Turkey president like to act like sultan.... while kurds and syrians suffer....
And Italy is, maybe, not a great country, but is pretty country and people are nice,and have a good life and their contribution to the world in science, literature, and art can not be questioned
ilikan99
Like it or not turks are much closer to serbs than scandinavians (regarding mentality, cusine and history..) This - our corner of planet is unique and beautiful. We should all try harder. Barış
KosovoSizzerb Liberate Constantinople!
Great video of one of the greatest empires in history. Thank you.
the Greeks disagree
Jack Parker guess what? We don't care about them.
We used to.
Jack Parker the greeks are still crumbling to this day nothing more than puppets for nato and the zionists lmao
Marko Antic you know what sucked? Your ignorance and propaganda.
Very informative. Thank you for posting this.
Fun fact: Coffee was introduced into Europe when the Turks left several sacks of coffee beans when they abandoned the Siege of Vienna.
I just read about 20 comments, 10 of which were truly crass and vulgar. Please do not take their insults personally, a casual look at their sentence structures will point out their low I.Q.
I hope you enjoy making these video's and I hope you continue.
Respectfully
Bobby Ingram
I liked the way he presented the facts.
Im reminded of my state which had turned into a net consumer entity since the oil boom in Arabia fattened a lot of pockets back home, thanks to the demand for migrant workers in the deserts.
Is there anyway we can 'fatten our pockets' today without hurting others ?
I am NOT opposed to making a buck !!
Its only going to get worse
Bobby Ingram But the video is rubbish.
I like how Bobby Ingram is chastising others here... blasting their "sentence structures" and their IQ levels...
Then proceeds to put an apostrophe in the word 'videos'
Hahahaha way to go you fake intellectual scumbag.
seriously...... when Suleiman the Magnificent killed his sons including his elder son Mustafa and the man whom he trusted Ibrahim. .....Ottoman empire started to go down.😟
Alpha Zey Never trust women, this was all caused by his wife
Alpha Zey Very true. If the gradual decline of the Ottoman Empire could be traced back to one single event it would definitely be Suleiman the Magnificent's execution of his most intelligent and capable son Mustafa. This single act (which Suleiman later greatly regretted) is what caused his least capable son Selim to suceed him as Selim II who was a drunkard and a fool by most accounts. Selim II was the first of several weak, foolish and ineffective sultans (his son Murad III, Ibrahim, Mustafa I) that lead to a domino effect of social, economic and military decline in the Ottoman Empire. Luckily in between the period of gradual decline there were a few stronger, intelligent, and more capable sultans that temporarily halted the decline such as Murad IV, Ahmed I, and Suleiman II but unfortunately it wasn't enough.
Patrick C. ..agree
@@kaizer0491 one of the causes of the decline of the Ottoman Empire was the harem where the Caliph spent too many hours with those lovely women and thus neglecting his duties and responsibilities.
could be a curse?
The Spanish Empire was kind of similar, as it was not made of colonies like British or Dutch, but made of provinces, like the Roman, and it was sort of unified by religion as well.
Interesting bit on the Ottomans, I like the focus on the economics, not to mention the major battles and sociological evolution due to both factors. As a free marketeer/ classical liberal, the piece about the black market sourcing corruption in the bureaucracy and ultimate dissolution of the market and state makes a lot of sense to me; all too prevalent today. The balance between individualism/ voluntarism and authoritarianism continues as it has for centuries. Subbed and liked, thanks!
Ottomans is not a mutlicultural society. Ottomans were founded and managed by the Turks, her official language was Turkish, therefore she is a Turkish state but she includes a lot of minorities. It is different from your word. If we think so, all states includes minorities are multicultural.
corruption is the poison
islam is a corrupted religion
***** nope, an orthodox christian says that
outatis ater how come?
It might be the poison, but it is also inevitable. As we are a flawed creature by evolution.
Im glad we can agree on something Babar Shah
@caspianreport I have been watching your videos and I love them! You give a very balanced, unbiased view on a lot of histories based on the facts. I wish all historians were like that :) Thank you!
He actually is biased. He didn't mention that most of the Christian soldiers in the Ottoman Empire were actually kidnapped since they were children. They didn't stay Christian as they were raised Muslim, many Christians revolt because of this but were brutally suppressed every time. The Ottomans also helped other Muslim empires raid Europe and Africa for more slaves to use in their harems and their armies.
Was my comment directed to you? No. My comment was directed to this video provided by Caspian Report. If you want to direct your message to this video, I suggest you add a comment right below the video description instead of replying to me. Thank you!
Yasemin Akay I'm sure he already knows this but refuses to state it. You can't just gloss over the slave trades when learning about the Ottoman Empire since it's a big part of it. I felt the need to reply to you because you claim that the uploader is "unbiased" However, that is the consequence of commenting on a public channel. If you are truly interested in history then you would heed to this too.
Refer to my previous comment.
Yasemin Akay And refer to mine. First you insinuate he is unbiased, while accusing other historians of being biased. I am directing my message to you because of the statements you made.
what I meant by saying nothing is Turks did not oppress them or force them to convert to Islam and allowed them to follow their way of life,,Even Historians admit that,,Ottomans were to most tolerant empire that ever existed,Unlike Crusaders and spanish inquisition
Perhaps that's the reason they lasted so long.
How long would ISIS last, i wonder?
Because nothing says multicultural like killing 1,750,000 Armenians, 750,000 Greeks and 300,000 Assyrians, right?
They also oppressed them heavily, treated them like second class citizens, forbade them from serving in the military, forbade them from achieving high status in society, forbade them from owning weapons.
Don't even dare to compare the Crusades and Spanish Inquisition to your genocidal fascist regime, Turk. The Crusades were in response to centuries of Islamic invasion, much of it Turkish by the way. The Inquisition was in response to MUslim oppression of SPain.
what about your europan countries killing 2,000,000 tunusian,4,000,000 turk those who lived in austuria hungary and serbia, 700,000 libyan people
They murdered 1,500,000 Armenians, 750,000 Assyrians, and 900,000 Greeks. Not counting the massacres that occurred before the Young Turks began their genocidal regime.
Nice try though.
I think a big aspect you've missed out is rising nationalism throughout their empire and the opposition they faced on their Russian front. Nationalist movements in Serb, Hungarian, Bulgarian, Bosniak, Albanian, Armenian and even Arab lands were a big component of how the Ottomans lost their footing. Internal strife and conflicts have peppered almost all of their 18th and 19th history and have contributed in a big way to their decline
The Ottoman culture, music, cuisine, folk dances, and national customs were and still are a mix of Greek, Arab, Kurd, Armenian, Assyrian, Balkans, and Georgian cultures with some Central Asian Turkic elements. The Turkic culture in the Ottoman and modern Turkish cultures is very minimal.
Wow... History repeats...
well said really, about the economy part of this video, exact same thing is happening... and 50% of the people are sleeping... The worst part is that you cannot wake them up. They turned into zombies..
As if we could do anything to prevent this?
why a warning?? why are people afraid of their history
The reason it was ahead was because they inherited the whole of Byzantine learning and history. You are making it sound like the Ottomans developed this civilization. The Ottomans were a nomadic people. They didn't know how to live in cities and didn't know how to develop urban technology. The fact that they conquered the Byzantines (the empires more or less have the same footprint) is responsible for their achievements. Their architecture is completely based on the Byzantine prototype. The reason their empire started to fall was because there was nothing left to conquer, and as a result, income and development by conquest ceased.
tewkewl yea
You can say the same thing to the German tribes who invaded old Roman Empire and took religion, script even language from them.
No if they were a primitive people then they wouldnt have huge quacking cannons!
And other stuff that i dont know..
Also
İdris Çelik Seriusly?!
Facebook? You mean the the place were our ants post minions!
Well they had exceptional horsemanship cannons and eventually developed turban technology no need for the prior urban one
Teh turks already had major cities in the seljuq empire
And the golden age of the ottomans this vidoe is talking about happened roughly 250 years after the byzantines were conquered
I think the reason why the Ottoman Empire fell is the same reason that the Chinese Empire fell; they couldn't keep up with the industrializing West. They were undefeated in the Middle Ages but as soon as the West reached Renaissance and the Age of Enlightenment, they started to decline.
I can see why there was a warning in this video. Shriven mentions the elite Janissary military force but not that Christian children were forceably taken sway from parents, converted to Islam, and made to serve.
That would offend Greeks and Serbs and other Christians who historically suffered this under Ottoman rule.
TURKS: The Turkish tribes on the northeast borders of Iran had been nominally converted to Islam in the late tenth century.A tribal coalition under the leadership of Selchuqid clan was formed in the early eleventh century.Defeading the Ghaznavid Iranian army at the battle Dandanqan in 1040,Selchuqid Turks conquered Iran,entering Baghdad in triumph in 1055 as the restores of Sunni orthodoxy against shites Buyids and Fatimids.
Their armies crushed the Byzantine army at the battle of Manzikert in 1071,and occupied Syria and Palestine by 1078.
Selchuqid Turks had succeeded in stopping the Byzantine and Fatimid advance,thereby reestablishing Sunni ideology as the dominant political force in the Near East.The Turkish invasion of the Near East was a mixed blessing,causing a great deal of social and economic disruption. however Turks in many ways revitalized the Islamic world militarily.From the twelfth century on Turkish sultans and warbands formed the core of Islamic military power,leading the Islamic conquest of Anatolia,the Balkans and India.
CRUSADERS: Since the original Islamic conquest in the seventh century,many Christians and Muslim religious leaders saw warfare between Muslims and Christian kings as a type of holy war.The military weakness of western Europe left it in no position to oppose the Muslim conquest of the Holy land,Spain,and Sicily.However,the decline of the Islamic world was contemporary with revival of European economic and military power in the eleventh century.Beginning in that century,Spanish Christians initiated the Reconquista,a five-century war against Spanish and North African Muslims.Norman adventurers conquered Sicily from Muslims between 1061 and 1091. The Major European assault against the Islamic world,however,was the Crusades.Between 1095 and 1291 seven major armies from Europe repeatedly invaded Syria,Palestine,and Egypt in attempts to capture and hold the holy city of Jerusalem.Although ultimately unsuccessful,the Crusades brought two centuries of turmoil to the Near East,which culminated in the rise of jihad ideology and militaristic Islamic dynasties which ousted the Europeans from the Near East,taking the holy war into the Balkans in the form of the Ottoman Turkish conquest.
+Rogerrramjet1 No. Europe was no militarily weak. They constantly engaged in war with each other. They were in no way weak.
Siddiq Ismail BS..tell me your version first..then I will tell you my version and we'll see who the audience believe!
Siddiq Ismail explain it.dont beat around the bush.I know for a fact you dont know the history..Prove me wrong by telling me the real history,,if other shit comes out of your mouth besides history means you are looking for a hole to run into
Siddiq Ismail see how I explained it with dates and names of Countries,,you do the same..no beating around the bush!
+Rogerrramjet1 History? Sure, Medeival Europe wasn't militarily weak, simply disunited.
What the fuck do you want? You don't get to decide history based on your own opinions.
Now, try again. This time use facts, not your biased opinions.
The largest Muslims empire in history was Ummayad Caliphate
A lot of it was useless desert though...
Neutral Fellow Doesn't matter, Territory is territory
Saad that's was mostly uninhabited desert. SAND IN OTHER WORDS
It is definitely from Turkish point of view. I got the same talks from our tourist guides in Turkey. I was wandering what happened to its conquered subjects.
+Michelle C nothing
+Rogerrramjet1 There is nothing left of them
42OuncesofPAIN what I meant by saying nothing is Turks did not oppress them or force them to convert to Islam and allowed them to follow their way of life,,Even Historians admit that,,Ottomans were to most tolerant empire that ever existed,Unlike Crusaders and spanish inquisition
+Rogerrramjet1
What about the Ottoman genocide against, Armenians, Greeks, Assyrians, Kurds?
Only after Ataturk, Turkey (the successor of the Ottoman empire) became a secular state. Before that you had the occasional oppression and mass murder here and there like every empire with a main religion.
Now about the forced conversion thing:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_conversion#Islam
+Paris Ninpo During the end of the Ottoman empire, the elite have become desperate to maintain their power and status..which lead to putting crazy people in power..as you can see, most of the massacre is in 18 and 19 century.. You know, when times are hard and your leader is an idiot, they'll blame the immigrant, the outsiders , the infidel and so on. Interestingly, the symptom can be seen on america today with donald trump... The Ottoman is an empire that live for a thousand of years, you can't judge them like you judge a person... Times change.. sometime they are peaceful and huge empire where million of people with different background live prosperously, sometime they full nazi and killing everyone..It depends on the leader and the crisis of the time
People comparing the US to ottoman decline are wrong. The situation in the US more resembles the end of the Roman republic.
Thank you for a most interesting video.
Why was this flagged by RUclips
I find it very interesting that it is almost impossible especially back then to see the sign of your own decline until it brought to the forefront by some huge disasters. I find that most important battles in history are usually only important because of what happens after the battle, meaning that no strong state can be defeated in a single battle. I think the best example of this Manziert, the battle was a crushing defeat but it was only by exploiting the disunity of the empire following it that the Turks were able to bring the Byzantines to the edge of destruction.
thinking the same here. Same thing going on with US now
Ali Bera Pinarbasi honest it is hard to tell if the United States is in decline or more if the rest of the world is catching up. Although that isn't too different.
Tyler Zoltowski 0
I stopped watching after 1:02.
"The Ottoman Empire didn't go down in flames fighting and there was no single major catastrophic event that triggered the ultimate decline"
*WORLD! WAR! ONE!* -.-
Commander Shepard You know that by ww1, the empire was far from koprulu days, and had a very low population right ?
Medi c But it was still there. It didn't go down until after the war.
Yes it was there, but it was there much like the Byzantines were there in 1453. Even the sultan was powerless, the country was pretty much ruled by the three pashas, whom are directly responsible for the genocides.
Medi c Being weak doesn't stop an empire from existing. WAR takes down empires. Corruption and weakness are the ones who paint the target
i think it is vice versa. Roman empire didnt fall because of the barbarian invasions, it fell because it was rapidly declining by that point, and it was going to go down. Barnarians finished the weak Western empire. same with the ottomans. A central powers victory would not prevent the collapse of the empire. it was rapidly declining anyway, and arabs were destined to revolt. At best it would delay the inevitable for twenty more years.
Very informative video! Thanks for that!
Excellent, Thanks.
The Ottoman empire can be compared to the USA, is one of the funniest things I have heard in a while.
No mention of the Armenian, Assyrian, or Pontus Greeks Genocide. This video completely ignored the actual reasons of the collapse and focused on a ridiculous argument regarding trade with Europe. Nice propaganda
what was the actual reasons of the collapse of the ottoman empire?
The Young Turks’ turkification policies contributed greatly to its ultimate collapse but not its decline. Different topic entirely
i am so glad
that we are done with all sorts of empires.
the best and the only way
to run a country is
secular democratic republic.
one person who realized this fact was
kamal pasha at-turk.
i am glad he did the right thing by
deposing the sultan and expelling him from the country.
i just learned that though kamal pasha was a good man, but he did not protect greek and arminian minorities in south west turkey when greek forces withdrew. the greek and arminians were robbed, and killed. the rest were expelled. the greeks did the same to turkis minority in their country. RELIGION MADE BOTH SIDES COMMIT ATROCITIES AGAINST MINORITIES.
ATATURK the most visionary man of the 20 th century!
Empires will return.
Teodor B biggest genocider has a rightful place among stalin, mao and hitler
We are in the era of economic empire. Do not think in terms of the empires of old... Assyrians, Romans, Ottomans, even the 19th century european empires...
They are empires of the US Dollar, the Euro, the Yuan........ Economic empires, only marginally backed with military power.
Play the game or pay the price.
I don't see anything here that most historians today would consider controversial. The Turks were demonized by earlier historians, for whom their outstanding traits were militarism and religious fanaticism. But if we compare them to Europeans of the same period (for example during the Inquisition or the 30 Years War), they were not so different, and possibly more enlightened. They could certainly not have ruled so huge an empire so long simply by force. They won over large populations, many of them non-Muslims who preferred ‘Better the Turkish Turban than the Papal Tiara’, as the proverb had it. The choice was not between Muslim despotism and Christian freedom, as we often see things these days, but between different forms of tyranny, of which the Christian sort was sometimes more oppressive. Non-Muslims served both in the army and in government offices, and some enjoyed great influence, as one may read, for example in "History of the Turkish Jews and Sephardim" by Elli Kohen. The Ottoman Empire suffered many of the same problems as its neighbors, the Austrian Empire and the Russian Empire: Huge corruption and inefficiency, together with the awakening nationalism of subject peoples and a lagging technology, which made them vulnerable to the rising powers of Western Europe: England, France and Germany. All three empires left the historical stage together, which was no coincidence. The time of empires was over, a fact already lamented by that famous imperialist, Rudyard Kipling, in his poem "Recessional" (1897). For further study of the conflict between the Ottoman Empire and the West, I recommended Andrew Wheatcroft's book "The Enemy at the Gate".
It would be terrific if you say instead of " multicultural army", that Jews and Christians were forced to convert or pay a tax . Facts and accuracy is very important when teaching world history.
First part of your video claiming they were a Multicultural system:
A Janissary Army is no doubt a non-Islamic military but to claim they were a loyal willing part of the Ottoman Empire is an amazingly naive statement to make.
they were in the beginning. and a portion continued to uphold their role even towards their decline and purge.
Well at the very least, they were the most loyal to the empire.
how da fuck they could conquer lands in 3 continents if they wouldn't have been loyal? They were loyal at the beginning. Later, they fucked Ottomans.
Ali Budak There is a difference between loyalty and control
Ox AO yeah a man who fucks girls in harem controlled thousands of sworded, cold blooded europeans for centruies. makes sense mate Im sorry. omg
Thank you for this history lesson. Nice stuff. İnteresting also... all places lost by the Otteman Empire are all right now poor in war or in danger. Look the Balkan countries. ... lost by the Ottemans. ..what happend. ..ww1 because of Balkan. ...ww2 also... and war in 1990...
Look to Nord Afrika...all problems
Look to middle easy. .. bloody war in Syria. .. Irak was longtime in war... Yemen. ... other places. ..
Keep in mind in Thé Otteman Time all these places had peace. No need for cassels because it was safe. peace for more than 400 years...and compared to the world... Thé Richest part of the world.
And right know. ... dead people poor people and not knowing what kind future people Will have.
and About the Balkan countries. ... Onze They where the part of de centre of Otteman Empire. They could reach high levels within an Mighty Empire in inside the government or as an busnissman. ... now.. all small poor countries taken over by imf or German companies.
You forgot to mention how the Ottomans massacred Christian minorities in world war 1 or kidnapped women to marry turkish men and adopted their kids to turkish families.
Coming from a Turk. Very convincing lmao
Lmao
so?
You forgot to mention what the mongols done the roman empire the persians the americans the british that killed the natives of america australia etc :p
christians like to play the victim once again. Yet we hear all christians who support the spanish inquisition.
Very nice video. The graphics and your explanation are so clear and to the point.
I see in this video metaphors for life.
When the Ottomans were in an bad position they deicided to print more money instead of admitting that they have a problem they chose to deny it and manufacture artificial means to cope of with the problem instead of really solving the problem.
Happens in life as well. I love your works Shirvan, they are great.
Sound like America now
You are absolutely right. USA's jobs are shipped overseas, reduced production and increased consuming. USA is turning into aristocracy(for example Bush-Clinton dynasty). Large corporations basically buying democracy. Corporate lobbying=corruption.
+rula karbes lol I love seeing you people getting mad about this kinda stuff, this is how I see it.... I don't really care just as long as it doesn't affect me
+Chao Li People have been saying the same thing since 1930, and even earlier.... Those people probably wouldn't have fared well in Vegas.
+SuperNoobProdigy This video was about the decline of a superpower, its narrative draws erie parallels with the US, and that doesn't scare you? I have a buddy with the same rationale as you and you both need to pull your heads from between your legs. "Decline" in reference to the US will lead to a devastating domestic array of problems including vast increases in the prices of goods, seizure of industry growth, less domestic and foreign security, etc. if you don't worry about it before it effects you, you're inviting hardship on yourself and others. So don't scoff at the adults who understand not only the importance of history but the need to engage in pertinent debates aiming to avoid becoming the next failed empire.
+Ian Williams so many conspiracy theorist out there. Like flat earthiers, Flat earthiers disgust me.
The thing is, ottomans was not angels of course, but you have to acknowledge that they were more tolerant than the contemperary empires, I mean when they were powerfull.
That is orientalist bull shit. Every nation in Euorpe was progressing toward modernity. These idiots were stuck in the middle ages.
Does that have anything to do with what i said?
How are the ottomans more tolerant, are you facking stupid?
outatis ater Balkan nations were under ottoman rule for centuries. Even though it was a bad thing, at least they kept their idendity.
After reconquista, all the muslims in the spain were destroyed.
Does that mean something to you ?
Lyoko bölümleri And all Christians in modern day Turkey were destroyed as well, suffered of genocide or deportion. Does that mean something to you like you are an ignorant.
beautiful pictures.
Berly sadly west europeans calls them barbars.
The imperialism and subjugation we see here is not like modern western "multiculturalism". Ludicrous characterization of the Ottomans.
You missed the words "in its time". The Umayyad Caliphate (which didn't see itself as an empire, though I guess it really was) was much earlier. They were ousted by the Abbasids in 750, and after that controlled only Andalus until that was captured piecemeal by the Almohads in the C12 CE.
You're wrong anyway. At its maximum extent the Umayyad Caliphate controlled 15 million sq.km. In 1595, the Ottomans ruled 19.9 million sq. km. The discrepancy in population must have been even greater.
the narrator sounds like total war zone
Right?
Declined because they were multicultural
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Is it factually incorrect?
@@luqmanosman4508 absolutely.
christian nations had a status equal to slavery.
in order for a society to be multicultural, minor cultures are suposed to have some rights, to start with and then some political power. none of that.
ottoman empire consisted of multitued of cultures, but that alone doesnt make it multicultural.
By 19th century (under pressure from the European powers) the Ottoman enacted several laws that made all the peoples equals. This equality later led to an unequal economic and social system. And eventually this contributed to the ethnic tensions. As for the French and British, nobody "saves" anyone in geopolitics. The French and the British needed to keep the Ottoman-Russian balance, or face an even more powerful Russian Empire. It was all part of the politics.
Another great one
This sounds eerily like the EU.
Marick Thompson actually it sounds exactly like the USA, the EU is in a much better position, this is coming from an American
@@coolstory And even in the case of the US it still isn't a carbon copy. The US still attracts a lot of foreign people to work and invent inside of the US, thus creating a brain drain in other countries. Also are certain US-institutions corrupted but not all and not at that level. There is still a certain stability and even the possibility of reform to reach a higher standard for all its citizens.
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CoolStoryKiddo US and EU have equal manufacturing despite the US having significant disadvantages
Interesting but how accurate is it? Was there any written historical documents to substantiate it and what are they? Please enlighten me. Thanks 🙏
My country ( Serbia ) was conquered and almost destroyed under the Turks . We were their subjects for 500 years !!! Our children were taken away and turned into Janichars ( elite fanatic fighters ), our women were raped, noted men killed , culture mocked and lots of Serbs were converted to Islam under terrible threats !
Dusan Krazic the owner of this channel is a Muslim and I suspect he is a member of the Muslim brotherhood, he was lying about how good the Turks were to Jews and Christians. Lol
same thing is happening now. your youth are leaving to europe and america. your women are doing prostitution. and you are being converted into protestant democracy ideology. your culture is disregarded by the western pop culture. your country, your resources are being bought by the european rich. when i say you, i mean the whole balkans and eastern europeans.
The Ottomans were good for the jews not the christians.
@Ali Istanbul
Truth :(
+Son Of Kemet
The question arises - if they were as tolerant as you say, why take Christian boys from the Balkans only? Where there not Muslim boys? No, there were more than enough muslim boys. I will agree that the Ottomans were tolerant to some degree, but don't forget the massacres done by the Turks against the Greeks, Assyrian Christians and Armenians.
The only reason why Albania, Kosovo, Bosnia-Herzegovina became Muslim majorities was because the poor Christians peasants couldn't afford to pay the jiziya.
Im a ex-Muslim not a Christian, Islam is anyways false.
This sounds a lot like America today
the thing is , the beginning was very positive, but now its influence is ending just like the ottomans , choose your leaders carefully , a great empire only colapses from the inside
Patrick McCarthy Not really America is still a powerhouse unlike Turkey. A freaking islamic dictatorship.
Vyce K
America is disintegrating but I guess you didn't notice.....thanks Obama
Patrick McCarthy Yeah it wasn't Bush and the Iraq war that started the decline, don't forget the economic collapse. And trillions of debt and American economy near bankruptsy, even China owning the debt. Congress/Senate exactly the same as those corrupt Turkish elite.
AK Smith
What an idiotic liberal you are. You must be all of 20. It wasn't Bushes war it was everyones war and almost everyone including 99% of the Democrats didn't just support it they demanded it you stupid child. Additionally most of Americas debt is owned by America itself and if you had a brain in your entire body you'd know that. What is it with you liberals and facts anyway? You're all so full of shit.
The best video on the ottomans decline
Big fan of your work! Look forward to educating myself further on world history via your channel!
I got a warning that this video was flagged for being innapropriate..did I miss something???
Turkish people got offended
How the fuck is this video offensive? Censorship is insane. We need an alternative to RUclips.
WTF? "inappropriate or offensive "??? Jesus
This video was great. Thank you.
The very first statement is "At its peak (which was in 1600s) It was ahead of its competition in science size science military and culture"
In terms of size the Spanish empire in the 1600s was larger than the Ottoman Empire. Spain controlled Mexico Argentina Columbia Peru Chile Bolivia etc
Science? lol that one thing the ottoman lack behind in. After Constantinople was conquered all the Greek scholars left the city and moved to Italy. This sparked the Renaissance from the 14th to the 17th century, and is regarded as the cultural bridge between the Middle Ages and modern history. It started as a cultural movement in Italy (not in the Ottoman Empire) in the Medieval period and later spread to the rest of Europe, marking the beginning of the Modern age. The Ottoman Empire didn't reform only after the European did.
Military. Ok that's one thing the Ottoman Empire was known for.
Culture. The ottoman always adopted European culture. When they took over the Byzantine empire they adopted Byzantine architecture and customs. They even named themselves the 3rd Roman Empire. When Western Europeans began to modernize the sultan Suleiman I adopted European customs.
was it a similar malaise that affected the byzantine empire? Did geography dictate the nature of the state?
The Ottoman Army was not made up of Christian and Jews. It was made up of Muslims. Christians and Jews were mostly exempt as many of them paid the Jizya tax. The Janissary corp of the Ottoman army was made up of Christian converts to Islam, so they were no longer Christians. The Ottoman army was however a multi-ethnic army with Turks, Anatolians, Bulgarians, Greeks, Albanians, Croats, Hungarians, and later Arabs, etc.
Evil Snake
The Janissary corp yes but the Ottoman army conscripts were Muslims by birth and were mostly ethnic Turks up until the 16th century.
the janassary were young boys taken from many ethnic groups muslims & christians mostly exept turks raised to be ofc muslims and fighted they were mainly greeks armenians and people from the caucausus
they were never turks it's the same concept of mamluks in egypt and ghulams in persia except the mamluks were slaves the janissary were not
Hiwa Joe
janissarys where raised muslims they where muslims, and they where not the entire army, they where a small elite group
mehmet tafa ofc they are muslim they were trained since young age to be muslim just like what ISIS do now
and they were the main core of the army
and with the small group of turkish cavalry
real turks never fighted on foot it is considred a shame to fight on foot
that's why the Ottomans invested in the janissary foot soldiers
the turks stole the byzantine architecture. And the Ottoman empire was not the only multicultional empire
Douwe van Netten actually ottoman empire was the very first of its kind. America today is modelled after the ottomans. All the best scientists used to go to ottoman empire because that was the land where mathematics and science was flourishing at the time while europeans were hanging from trees. Just like now usa is where the modern world is flourishing in science and technology while middle east is getting bombed. I'm not biased like you. We have to accept facts.
Douwe is right in that the Ottoman Empire wasn't the first one to be multicultural. There were others before that. The Persian Empire comes to mind.
Timrath & the Romans
We didn't stole it you idiot we adopted it and harmonized it with Islam and Turkish culture.
I really enjoy your videos
I found that interesting, and reading some of the comments it's also thought provoking. It's good to see other peoples point of view, and though I might not agree with some of them, it's good to have the debate. Nice one.
I watch the video and feel quite enlightened...then I read the comments...
Don’t forget about the Balkans wars and the Arab revolt.👍
Some angry Turks reported this vid
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I like it. I had heard that they couldn't keep up technologically but I didn't know that the primary cause was economic in nature. Interesting to see how money and the gradual freezing of the class system played a part as well. Too bad you didn't cover their ultimate defeat. Morally, I can't say any empire was good. But in terms of sheer power and prestige, the Ottomans were right up there.
Especially the reforms of the Janissary Corps inflicted tremendous damage to the empire. Disliked Sultans were simply put out of power and much more favourable Sultans were brought to the throne. They terrorized the empire for their own agendas. A pity that the Sultans didn't stay strong and kept them in their places.
Did not understand why youtube told me this contained offensive content. Seemed your like a historical piece to me.
It is absurd. Maybe because they think it racist.
Fantastic, informative video.
I don't see why it's be flagged as inappropriate. I'm not sure if that's a decision by an algorithm or a human being, but it needs to be changed.
Really hard to find non-Eurocentric history. Thanks for posting!