Haha I checked the wiki this morning and was like “wait a second!?”- the role manipulation abilities recently have been super enticing to watch so this just makes things even more chaotic
i like the demon, feel it should be - 1 outsider personlay as it's a very strong ability giving the minions bluffs and also being picked, also havign less outsider helps the demon as you want to take away posible 2 strong info roles from the game
Yeah, I should offer it to Steve so he can use it. Not sure how much you can tell but the iris are hypnotic swirls to lay into the “come be on my side” vibes that the Kazali brings. And for some reason I decided to base the eye shape and fur on the grinch… I guess subconsciously because it’s Christmas?
@@VGV1deo Is that an actual jinx or something you came up with in response to this? Either way, seems like a decent fix - the unlucky Kazali still gets potentially screwed over by outing to the Goon or, worse, the other pick, and not getting to pick the minions still makes it the weakest demon in the game, but at least with the ST making the picks there'll still *be* minions, so it doesn't have to fly solo on top of all that.
@@Krixwell it is an actual jinx - it is also jinxed with Marionette (Kazali can only choose a neighbor to become Marionette), Choirboy (Kazali cannot choose King to become a minion if Choirboy is in play), Huntsman (If Kazali chooses Damsel to become a minion while Huntsman is in play then a good player becomes Damsel), and Bounty Hunter (an evil TF is not made if BH becomes a minion)
Also how would a poppy grower jinx works as that character just seems to turn off half of the kazali’s ability. Will they instead pick two people who they don’t want their minions to be?
minions are not told who their demon is, demon can just talk to them in the day, but someone can cold call a minion who hasn't been talked to the demon yet. poppy grower is neutralized a bit but theres a few ways to make a trap @RasmusVJS
Outsider manipulation, people no longer trust outsiders in my opinion (see our patron game for evidence of that). Decide who and what minions you want on your team. Give your minions built in bluffs. It’s a triple threat demon tbh.
@@lordloftus Yea, I forgot the outsider stuff honestly and you are absolutely right there. The 2nd point of choosing minions imo is whatever as experienced players are fine with whichever minions and can make it work. The 5 bluffs off the cuff is huge for me. Would you, as a story teller, ever use the two characters the minions originally had as the demon bluffs?
@@bon1326 Honestly, you might have to in larger games yes. You need to protect the demon early game and sometimes in the right situation that might include giving out bluffs that are already given to minions.
There was 0 reason for Bennie to vote on Madeline in the end even if he thought she was the demon. The only way for them to execute Madeline as the demon is if every player votes for it including Madeline.
Sometimes I vote to have it on record that this is who is wanted to kill. It feels like a personal victory even if I can’t get town to agree with me. I think Bennie didn’t think they could get enough votes on Madeline, but if you watch our Patreon game a similar thing almost happens with Trisha too!
Was Marshall executed for not counter claiming Kyle's Hatter or for not objecting to Bardic's info? Because he never said he wasn't the Hatter so im a bit confused
Shouldn’t the librarian be made drunk, seems weirdly strong for a librarian to learn zero outsiders, especially with a drunk on a script. Just a comment but I don’t think it’s a good idea to completely remove outsiders as the st as they are there to help evil. Vigor makes sense
When you remove something as a viable option, it makes the game an easier solve. Anything legal should be possibly and should happen sometimes, otherwise the players will meta that the thing you are suggesting is the only option. Something we especially avoid here at off meta. So even if another person was to claim to be an outsider, the Librarian wouldn’t have know if they were the drunk or the other person was just lying. The only way to make them not sure is to sometimes give a true Librarian zero from time to time.
The other situation that's possible is that the librarian WAS drunk and was told a 0 as the drunk information. It doesn't give the evil team the "oops my info is drunk" excuse but it does open outsiders as bluffs.
Haha I checked the wiki this morning and was like “wait a second!?”- the role manipulation abilities recently have been super enticing to watch so this just makes things even more chaotic
This was such a fun game to play.
Also this is Bardic who can't figure out how to change their name on RUclips.
i like the demon, feel it should be - 1 outsider personlay as it's a very strong ability giving the minions bluffs and also being picked, also havign less outsider helps the demon as you want to take away posible 2 strong info roles from the game
That is such a good demon omg
Such a fun game to play!
I see Bennie in game, I watch. He's the best
First time I've ever seen a librarian learn no outsiders :o
Hey guys, thanks for the game. Can you drop the script link by any chance?
You forgot to tell Bennie to be mad night 1?
I was not a good storyteller for Madeline in this game :(
Librarian 0 seems much more powerful on a kazali script.
New Off Meta!
Not gonna lie. I like this Kazali artwork better
Yeah, I should offer it to Steve so he can use it.
Not sure how much you can tell but the iris are hypnotic swirls to lay into the “come be on my side” vibes that the Kazali brings. And for some reason I decided to base the eye shape and fur on the grinch… I guess subconsciously because it’s Christmas?
BH turned Amne idea
Each Night* choose a player, anyone they choose tonight dies after. You register as a Demon. [-1 Demon]
the pukka but worse? im confused
Imagine being a Kazali and picking the Goon night 1...
Jinx: All remaining choices are made by the ST
@@VGV1deo Is that an actual jinx or something you came up with in response to this?
Either way, seems like a decent fix - the unlucky Kazali still gets potentially screwed over by outing to the Goon or, worse, the other pick, and not getting to pick the minions still makes it the weakest demon in the game, but at least with the ST making the picks there'll still *be* minions, so it doesn't have to fly solo on top of all that.
@@Krixwell it’s the actual jinx :)
@@Krixwell it is an actual jinx - it is also jinxed with Marionette (Kazali can only choose a neighbor to become Marionette), Choirboy (Kazali cannot choose King to become a minion if Choirboy is in play), Huntsman (If Kazali chooses Damsel to become a minion while Huntsman is in play then a good player becomes Damsel), and Bounty Hunter (an evil TF is not made if BH becomes a minion)
Also how would a poppy grower jinx works as that character just seems to turn off half of the kazali’s ability. Will they instead pick two people who they don’t want their minions to be?
It doesn't seem like there's a Poppy Grower jinx. I'd imagine the Poppy Grower just doesn't do anything with a Kazali?
minions are not told who their demon is, demon can just talk to them in the day, but someone can cold call a minion who hasn't been talked to the demon yet. poppy grower is neutralized a bit but theres a few ways to make a trap @RasmusVJS
Currently to my knowledge they are hard jinxed so can’t be in the same game.
I Clicked Thinking This Was Moded But IT'S OFFICAL
Heck yeah!
So how many times has Ekin heard the thing about Ekans and Arbok?
Because the name sounds very similar.
Lol Hayley's mentioned it at least once so probably a minimum of once per person XD
The answer is way too many
So the real ability of this minion is having 5 bluffs basically?
Outsider manipulation, people no longer trust outsiders in my opinion (see our patron game for evidence of that).
Decide who and what minions you want on your team.
Give your minions built in bluffs.
It’s a triple threat demon tbh.
@@lordloftus Yea, I forgot the outsider stuff honestly and you are absolutely right there. The 2nd point of choosing minions imo is whatever as experienced players are fine with whichever minions and can make it work. The 5 bluffs off the cuff is huge for me. Would you, as a story teller, ever use the two characters the minions originally had as the demon bluffs?
*demon
@@q-tuber7034 yes, thanks for the correction
@@bon1326 Honestly, you might have to in larger games yes. You need to protect the demon early game and sometimes in the right situation that might include giving out bluffs that are already given to minions.
There was 0 reason for Bennie to vote on Madeline in the end even if he thought she was the demon. The only way for them to execute Madeline as the demon is if every player votes for it including Madeline.
Sometimes I vote to have it on record that this is who is wanted to kill. It feels like a personal victory even if I can’t get town to agree with me.
I think Bennie didn’t think they could get enough votes on Madeline, but if you watch our Patreon game a similar thing almost happens with Trisha too!
@@lordloftus I think that's fine usually, but on final 3/4 good should always just vote with town.
Can a Snitch and a Kazali be in the same game? Would that give the Minions at potentially 4 bluffs each?
You can give the original roles of the minions as bluffs
They aren't jinxed, so yes.
ok so the Kazali art are frowny eyes...
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Was Marshall executed for not counter claiming Kyle's Hatter or for not objecting to Bardic's info? Because he never said he wasn't the Hatter so im a bit confused
Both
What happens if the kazali picks the goon n1
Jinx: All remaining choices are made by the ST
Shouldn’t the librarian be made drunk, seems weirdly strong for a librarian to learn zero outsiders, especially with a drunk on a script. Just a comment but I don’t think it’s a good idea to completely remove outsiders as the st as they are there to help evil. Vigor makes sense
When you remove something as a viable option, it makes the game an easier solve.
Anything legal should be possibly and should happen sometimes, otherwise the players will meta that the thing you are suggesting is the only option. Something we especially avoid here at off meta.
So even if another person was to claim to be an outsider, the Librarian wouldn’t have know if they were the drunk or the other person was just lying. The only way to make them not sure is to sometimes give a true Librarian zero from time to time.
Having the option is always good. It was just a thought. Thank you for the insight.@@lordloftus
The other situation that's possible is that the librarian WAS drunk and was told a 0 as the drunk information. It doesn't give the evil team the "oops my info is drunk" excuse but it does open outsiders as bluffs.