While Iranian and Greek paganism have become extinct, Hinduism isn't just surviving it's thriving. The decentralised, amoebic nature of Hinduism has helped it survive several waves of invasions, conversions and plundering
Why ThePrint is doing WhiteWashing off Sanatani or 40000Years old Hindu Cultural Civilisation by Subduing with the Arian Theory & by Greek Architecture Influence... . ?? Just because off Hypocritical Historian have Eroded our entire Hindu Civilisation by the lsIamist& CoIoniaI lnvaders by Erasing Historical Facts of Indan History... & you too are nothing less than a Bigot for Historical Manipulation...!!
@parvadhami980 "While Iranian and Greek paganism have become [...] has helped it survive several waves of invasions, conversions and plundering" ====================================== But I thought Hinduism is in danger?!?!? How is it thriving if it has been in (constant) danger for the last 800 years? Secondly, the Iranians (i.e. Persians) and Greeks moved on from one set of superstitious beliefs to another dramatically different sets of superstitious beliefs, while Hindus have clung on to gradually modified versions of old superstitious beliefs.
This mad idiot has smoked some high quality Hindu-kush strain and now he wants back the Hindu-kush mountain range from Afghanistan and that is his centre of philosophy 😂😂😂😂
Get with the program. India is a temporary land that belongs to Arabs, Persians and Turks but never the Hindus, for Mohamad the pedofile has called for conquest of Hindustan as the ultimate aim of pis lam
Print Nazis believe in White supremacism, so it is unbearable for this Print Dog to even think that it was Indian Gods that inspired Greeks & Iranians.
You really need to grow up. Tanatani manuwaadi cult is a foreign Aryan central Asia origin and not from India. Schooling and education is really important for a great thinking mind. Don't you think so?
Yes, actually Sanatan Dharma and Bhartiya culture has spread to different parts of world, and we all know the habits of Greeks and romans, they are known of stealing and claiming their own, the same thing their slave descendants like British, Germans, French etc are doing. Next time they will say Yog is originated in the cave of England
How do you attribute political motive to merging of religious identity? Can this not be attributed to the political class adopting a social evolution rather than as propaganda by the rulers? Noticed numerous instances of attribution of motives in 'Lords of the Deccan' as well. Would you agree if I call this as current hypothesis and not fact ?
@@bkcreatives Why ThePrint is doing WhiteWashing off Sanatani or 40000Years old Hindu Cultural Civilisation by Subduing with the Arian Theory & by Greek Architecture Influence... . ?? Just because off Hypocritical Historian have Eroded our entire Hindu Civilisation by the lsIamist& CoIoniaI lnvaders by Erasing Historical Facts of Indan History... & you too are nothing less than a Bigot for Historical Manipulation...!!
So basically the presentor rants on about how the kushans adapted hindu gods, zoroastrian gods and greek gods for political purposes - while the videos title suggests that the perception of hindu gods were actively and consciously moulded using external influences by practising hindus over the ages in some sort of concerted effort to econcile the differences between other pagan religions and hinduism - the presentor does illustrate the fact that attempts at using religion for furthering political narratives is not exclusive to rulers of the past but extends even to historians of the present - he has stirived hard to lead by example in this regard...
Your short videos give an excellent peek into history ..... and your presentation is also excellent. Please keep it up. Just out of curiosity, could you turn the books placed on either side of your desk to the spine side so viewers can see the titles? Some may be interested in buying specific titles .....
The origin of ideas etc is irrelevant, what you do now how you adopt is more important. Indian civilization is a syncretism. We should feel good about it. It is multi racial, multi ethnic, multi language...but still 100% plural and unique. The biggest melting pot in the world -of various other people, now extinct. The base is off course not these idol businesses 😀 But God less, Deity less culture of Dharma, Karma, Yoga and Tantra. 5000 years from now, the world may forget Jesus of Nazareth, but Indians will remember him, as a deity, integrated within the rest of deities of "Indian" pantheon. Indian geography is such. A protected pocket of riches, a world by itself.
Insightful video. Why Indra worship didn't happen in post Vedic era? Indra was the main god of Vedic Aryas. He is demonized in Puranas Also were there any indigenous gods that were Hinduised or Sanskritised? Maybe Shaktas, Vaishnavas? Krishna? Also Sisina(Shishina) worship is condemned in Vedas but why it is practised extensively in India?
@@user-do1fz9by4t what if I told you they have found shiv ling and many Hindu deities like Ganesha in South America , will still say that Hinduism absorved those deities from South America , I can wake a person who is sleeping but cannot wake a person who is acting of sleeping . Unlike other religion we have proved our faith in court and judiciary over and over so keep telling your self sweet lies .
how can someone be this wrong? first of all, you should know this Kushans were iranian in religion before the come to india when kanishka rule he adopted buddhism and all their iranian gods became buddhist gods and later hindu gods. shiva is not oesho but Oesho is shiva. the Oesho is the original name not shiva. why you ignored the facts that kushans became buddhists? that's the problem with historians they first choose what they want to show and then create history around it.
@Rajnasya are bhai mere, go first read about kushans, here Iranian meaning religiously irani not the ethnicity ofcourse they were not irani they were cental asian and not mauran for your knowledge. they were straps under some chinese or mangolian kingdom than they create their own kingdom.
@Rajnasya are bc jabardasti? mtlb kch bhi? kha se laate ho etna khatrnak knowledge? mauryan empire pure indian tha jbki kushan cental asian tha aaj ka mangolia china ka area h wha se aae the wo log or mathura kashi tk raaj kia. syd tum unke vanshaj ho esliye unko mauryo se jod rhe ho 🤣🤣🤣
@Rajnasya abe gadhe yhi to dikkt h tum logo ki bs ek kahani ko leke baith jate ho, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Khotan ye dekh le esme likha hua h khotan ke origin ke bare me or wo teri kunal wali kahani bhi Huen Tsang ke notes se nikli h wo kafi bad me aaya tha. history iti simple nhi jiti tu sochta h. it's more complex and nuance. har chiz ke alg alg version h
@@mittusharma3824ba, toh ase kesha kahdiya ki oshio Shiva ha, atleast search ta karla origin of Shiva, He is prevedic God, which is older than your ohiso.
When RigvEda was neither greek nor iranian cultures existed you mean to say the ideas there in are adopted from outside? You are trying to concoct a picture from a confused set of mindset. I am not sure what purpose is served?
Dear Anirudh, just discovered your RUclips clips. Fascinating!! Still reading your book as well. Feedback: PLEASE slowdown when you speak, and keep the maps longer on screen. Too many unfamiliar names and lots of information mean that we need time to process and follow along your narration.
So the Indian pantheon of gods is a morph from the history of the greater geopollitical areas within and without the so called borders of India. This means that India has continuously captured, remembered and worshipped history. Never forgotten its diverse roots.
Another theory !! ... Please do more research and then present. Please don't rush for viewership like other channels. A lot more referencing and validations required for such a story. I was expecting better.
Nice theory.. by the way i thought Dionysus is closer to Mahadev not a demigod and both Avestan nd Rigvedic people had some issues so they reciprocated their gods, as here deva is good but in Persia deva is bad. So how ahura became an essential good part in deva ? And where was the axial bhram form of mahadev in the west ?Just curious
@@kirankakde Why ThePrint is doing WhiteWashing off Sanatani or 40000Years old Hindu Cultural Civilisation by Subduing with the Arian Theory & by Greek Architecture Influence... . ?? Just because off Hypocritical Historian have Eroded our entire Hindu Civilisation by the lsIamist& CoIoniaI lnvaders by Erasing Historical Facts of Indan History... & you too are nothing less than a Bigot for Historical Manipulation...!!
I first realised it when on @Cognito channel I was watching this vdo abt Zoroastrianism. In Hinduism 'Asur' depicts Evil forces and 'Dev' good ones on contrary in Zoroastrianism 'Azur/Asur' is good one while 'Devs' r bad one. But mind you, I m talking abt 'Dev' & 'Asur/Azur' as a word/name only, not actual Group of good and bad forces. Most probably both groups of those ancient ppl had same idea of good & bad forces but it's only the name which they hadn't agreed upon. So Zoroastrians called The Good Forces as 'Azur/Asur' and Sanatanis named the same Good Forces 'Dev'.
not a right wing activist andh bhakt but lol cmon man, greek and iranian ideas? i dont know abt greek ideas but you have no clue abt what ancient persian religion was and how the different aryan tribs fought and how the war affected the religious and cultural practices of the two nations lmao kushan empire didnt absorb shiva out of greeks lol shiva was mentioned around 1500 bce while the kushans were around 30 bce
Oesho and Shiva are two different things. Oesho is a persian god while Shiva is indic. Kushan coin mention oesho in Greek alphabet which is 100% zorastarian god.
The devatas were not born of nationalistic unitary imaginations; they were born of non dualist interpretations about natural aspects which a living individual is seen not being different from. Sure, here and there you can borrow inspirations on depictions; like Ravi Verma's paintings with European elements or Kushanas Greek influences. But if the question is that these devatas were forged in nationalistic identity of empires; their depictions wouldn't have had the inertia it does, that is their depictions should have changed or not seeped through to rival empires or regions within India. And what does some Pallava or Chola king in the South that conforms to a similar depiction have anything to do with the Kushanas? The answer is quite the opposite; the Vedic deities due to their conceptualization were of open architecture and people assimilated them into their folk depictions or deities. Its not the other way round.
Title of the video is objectionable. You are belittling hindu pantheon of deities. The climate and geography of India is more favourable to the origin and evolution of humans compared to the regions you see in Afghanistan Iran or Saudi Arabia and even the Sahara area or gobi and central Asia. So any influence will be from India to other parts of the world
Aryan or caste hindus practise Iranian religion which were influenced by Greeks, Sumerians, Mesopotamian, Assyrians, Egyptian gods. For a short period of time Iranians even converted to bhuddhism during the time Ashoka.conquered half of Iran. Kushans were chinese in orgin moved frm Iran or centreal asia into Afganistan n Pakistan region. Thus their gods had deep greel, persian n bhuddist influence. Native indian gods were Bhuddist n Tribal belief system of adivasis. Brahminism rose only after pushya mitra shunga tenure when he forcefully injected Brahminism into Hinduism or native indian beloef system. Thus Brahminism is an Iranian n abusive n colonial system. Thus caste system of Brahnins have colonial n racial overtone.
According to ancient Persian legends recorded in Shahnama, the history of ancient Iran begins with conflict of Ahuras (Asuras) and Daevas (Devas). Probably, Daeva or false god or evil spirit Ahriman posed a great challenge to Ahur Mazda. Gayomart or Keyumars was the first king of Zoroastrians or Iranians. He was also the contemporary of Ahriman. Daeva Indra was also an enemy of Ahuras. In all probability, Ahriman was Aryaman who was one of the Adityas of early Vedic period. Devas and Asuras of early Vedic period were cousin brothers. They were always in conflict for political supremacy. Puranic legends relate the legend of Tripurasura and his son Gayasura. Seemingly, Ahur Mazda (Mahasura or Asura Mahad) and his son Gayomart were Tripurasura and Gayasura. Avesta is the oldest text of Zoroastrianism. It is well known that there are significant similarities in the words and grammar of Avestan and Vedic Sanskrit languages. Avesta mentions Mithra, Varuna, Indra, Yama etc. Gathas of Avesta mention Rudra along with Angra Mainyu. Yajurveda’s one mantra (“नमस्ते रुद्र मन्यव”) also mentions Rudra and Manyu. Vedic and post Vedic sources indicate that Asuras also performed Yajnas. Gopatha Brahmana (1.1.10) refers to Asuraveda of Pratichyas (westerners) and Asita Dhānvan, an Asura Rishi. Asita is also mentioned in Avesta. Shānkhāyana Shrauta Sutra mentions about Asuravidyā. Evidently, Asuras compiled their own Veda for performing rituals. The same Asuraveda came to be known as Avesta. Unfortunately, a major portion of Avesta text is now lost. Seemingly, Asuras, cousin brothers of Devas compiled their own Veda. Many Vedic Rishis taught Vedic sciences to Asuras. Sukracharya, a famous Guru of Asuras was known as Kāvi or Kava Us or Kaikaus in Zoroastrianism. Sukracharya was the son of Kavi. He was referred to as Ushanas Kāvya in Rigveda Anukramani. Asuras evolved Avestan Sanskrit based on their own grammar from Proto Sanskrit. Thus, Vedic Sanskrit and Avestan Sanskrit have been artificially evolved and limited to only learned people. The common people of Asura community spoke Proto Iranian that was naturally evolved from Proto Sanskrit. It appears that the early Asuras had settled in Gāndhāra region on the banks of Helmand River. According to Vedic legends, Saramā Devashuni met Panis, a business clan of Asuras on the banks of Rasa River. Most probably, Rasa River was Helmand River of Afghanistan. King Bāhlika (Kuru dynasty) and King Gāndhara (Druhyu dynasty) conquered northern and southern Afghanistan respectively and established their kingdoms around 11100-11000 BCE. Asuras had no other option to migrate further westwards. They settled in Iran, Iraq, Syria and Southern Anatolia. Pani Asuras (known as Phoenicians in the west) migrated up to Atlantic Ocean and a group of Panis might have founded the city of Atlantis which was submerged by sea around 10000 BCE. When the monsoons weakened after 11000 BCE, many groups of Dānavas and Turvashas had also migrated up to Greece and Druhyus had migrated to Sumeria and Syria. Thus, the speakers of Proto-Sanskrit and Proto-Iranian languages laid foundation for the evolution ofall west Asian and European languages. Therefore, Proto-Sanskrit was indeed the mother of Proto Indo-Iranian and Proto Indo-European languages. It appears that the early Zoroastrianism of Asuras was extended from Iran to Southern Anatolia and posed a challenge to Danavas and Turvashas, the early settlers of Greece. Seemingly, there were at least two Zoroasters. The first Zarathushtra also known as Ashu Zarathushtra or Zarathushtra Spitama was the author of Gathas and Yasna Haptanghaiti of Avesta. Though Yayavara brahmanas of Rigvedic era had names like Jaratkaru etc. but Yayavara brahmanas always followed Vedic tradition. Sanskrit poets Bhavabhuti and Rajashekhara belonged to the clan of Yayavara brahmanas. Ancient Greek sources also refer to two Zoroasters. Hermodorus (10th century BCE) believed that Zoroaster I lived 5000 years before the date of Trojan war (1842 BCE). Eudoxus also placed Zoroaster I 6000 years before the lifetime of Plato (11th century BCE). Evidently, Zarathushtra I flourished around 7000 BCE and authored Gathas and Yasna Haptanghaiti of Avesta and recompiled Avesta. Zarathushtra I was like a Veda Vyasa of Zoroastrianism. He transformed Zoroastrianism into Monotheism and founded the basic tenets of Zoroastrian philosophy. This is how an Asuraveda transformed into Avesta and Zoroastrianism around 7000 BCE. Interestingly, Zoroastrianism accepted the Indian concept of Mahayuga of 12000 years that evolved after Ramayana era. Zoroastrianism followed equal length of four Yugas (3000 years of each Yuga) Instead of the differential duration (4:3:2:1) of four Yugas. Danavas and Turvashas of post Vedic era were the worshippers of Vedic devatas like Mitra, Varuna, Indra, Nāsatya and Agni etc. These Vedic gods had been transformed into Greek gods. 12 Olympian gods are like 12 Adityas of Vedic era. The common people from Afghanistan to East Europe prominently worshipped God Mithra. Gradually, Mitra became synonymous to Surya (Sun). Zarathushtra I’s monotheism also influenced the philosophy of Mitra god worshippers of East Europe. Thus, Mithraism was born in East Europe and became a popular religion before the birth of Christianity around 600-300 BCE. Mithraism has been meticulously destroyed and wiped out by the Christian fraudster scholars and their authoritarian kings. Probably, many Indian families of Balochistan and Gandhara had also migrated to Sumeria, Babylon, Egypt around 11000 BCE. Puranas indicates that the sons of Prachetas, a descendant of Druhyu dynasty migrated to west and became the kings of Mlechcha countries. Sumerians and Egyptians started learning the basics of Indian astronomy and mathematics in the post-Ramayana era. This is the reason why Sumerians and Egyptians also believed that their gods and ancestors reigned for thousands of years. Sumerians and Egyptians also followed the Yuga of 4,32,000 years. A group of Babylonians came under the influence of Zoroastrianism who evolved the philosophy of Judaism. Yavanas and Bactrians of northern Afghanistan and Turkmenistan learnt the Surya Siddhanta of Mayasura (6778 BCE) and evolved Yavana Siddhanta under the influence of Surya Siddhanta. Many familes of Yavanas had migrated to Greece and western Anatoliaaround 5000-4500 BCE and came to be known “Ionians” and “Javans”. These migrated Yavanas traced the Vedic origin of Greek gods & goddesses and introduced the Indian sciences to Greece. Consequently, Hellenistic Greek mythology and Hellenistic sciences have been evolved.
@@rathoref2336 The Chronology of Persia as Recorded by Persian Historians: Firdausi’s Shahnama is the earliest text which relates the chronological history of ancient Persia.
@@nehjawanpuria7681 Why ThePrint is doing WhiteWashing off Sanatani or 40000Years old Hindu Cultural Civilisation by Subduing with the Arian Theory & by Greek Architecture Influence... . ?? Just because off Hypocritical Historian have Eroded our entire Hindu Civilisation by the lsIamist& CoIoniaI lnvaders by Erasing Historical Facts of Indan History... & you too are nothing less than a Bigot for Historical Manipulation...!!
The tendency of kings to rule with "divine right" is very much a Persian idea borne from the great schism between Vedic and Avestan cultures. Kushan culture was more inspired by greater Bactro-Persian culture as compared to indegenous Indian kings who believed more in the "king as a servant".
This guy is trying to judge Kanshikas as if he was alive at that time. Bottom line is that he is trying to say that gods were created for political purpose. By the way, this guy is best deciple of Irfan Habib and Romila Thapar. Mr. Genius, I have a question for you. Your fellow left historians theory was that Dravidians were native people from Indus civilization and driven out to south by Aryans from the west. Then why south indians especially tamilians worship Skand and Shiva who have Iranian origin per you? As per you these were the Gods created or adopted by Kanishkas from Iran for political purposes. Moreover, in Ramayana, Rushi Valmiki narrates the birth of Kumara\Skanda\Saravana in balakanda (Kumara Sambhavam). So, you mean, Ramayana was written some time later than Kushan empire is it? Mr. genius historian please spare some time to answer my questions.
One of my friend had visited a Hindu temple at Azerbaijan's capital Baku. Very nicely preserved. Who made that temple God only knows, as no History book even mentioned that.
One of the Serbian folk songs sounds like the Svasti vachan of the Vedic tradition. It is reproduced here before delving into the Serbian version. Swasthir maanushebhyah : Oordhwam jigaathu bheshajam/ Sham no asthu dwi-padhe: Sham chathush padhe OM Shanti Shanti Shanti: Translation:- Let there be goodness to human beings. Let the plants which are like medicine to us, grow up well. Let the bipeds and quadrupeds be well. Let there be our goodwill to them. Let there be peace at all three levels of Bhu (earth or physical ), Bhuvah (intermediary or vital) and svah (heaven or mental levels of) all these beings. The Serbian version prays for the well being of the quadrupeds and human beings in a similar way by invoking the three Gods symbolized by Triglav - the three Gods resembling the Trimurti of the Vedic pantheon. The Ser...May our cattle be healthy All the cows and all the sheep All the kids and all the lambs All the great big horses Which carry our heroes Dear solders of the god Triglav god Triglav the holy trinity Vishnji god, the creator Strong Živa the destrojer and Branjanj the protector... The names of the Gods Vishnji, Živa and Branjanj in the last three lines sound similar to Vishnu, Shiva and Brahma, with a slight variation in the works associated with them. From the version given by three different biographers ( Ebbo, Herbord and monk from Priflinger) who lived between 8th and 12th century CE, it is known that Triglav with three heads was characterised as ruling the three worlds, heaven, earth and underworld. This resembles the three levels of Bhu, Bhuvah and Svah. The three Gods enshrined in Triglav are unmistakably the Trimurtis of the Vedic culture. Other folk songs of Serbia give us some clues on the time period of a connection with India. In the song titled, “The saints are dividing the treasure” Ognjena Marija (Fiery Mary) sister of St Petar, St Nicolas, St John, St Ilia and St Pantelija tells her brothers why she is crying: ...And kind Mary (Holy Mary) replies: O my brother, Thunder god Ilija how can i not cry when i am coming from country of India from India the accursed country. In India there is complete lawlessness: young are not respecting the old, children are not respecting parents, they have black cheeks before the god of truth, a godfather is betraying godson, brother is fighting brother, brother in law is sleeping with sister in law, and brother does not call his sister a sister... In this verse the thunder God Ilija is the same as Indra and it is the only God other than the Trimurti that find mention in the folk songs revealed in the blogspot. The name India appears as “Inđije” in this song. The song clearly establishes origins in India and leaving India under distress in a war like condition. The name India is of recent origin. If the composers of this song had come from India at some time in the past, it is least probable that they identified the country as India if it was before the Common Era. The song describes all round lawlessness - something unthinkable anytime in the pre-Islamic India. We can therefore confidently place the time of origin of these singers in India towards the end of the first millennium of the Common Era. Support for this conjecture comes from another folk song of Serbia. This song is a ‘Christmas time ceremonial prayer song’ found in the collection of Vuk Stef. Karadžić. It gives important clues on the time period of this song. It is in the form of a dialogue with a dove which flew to India! The singer asks the Dove where he was flying. The Dove says ‘to India, our country’! ...gray Živa, mighty gray, mighty gray dove! where did you travel? and gray Živa, mighty gray dove, answers: "I traveled all the way To India our country. I flew over Hindustan And over Tatarstan Black Hindus and Tatarus. I flew to our Master Our mighty God Triglav And I watched what he was doing What he was doing and ordering.” The names Hindušana (Hindustan), Tartariju (Tatars) and Hinduš (Hindus) in this song can only be of recent origin U Inđiju našu zemlju. Prolećela Hindušana I tu Globu Tartariju Crni Hinduš i Tartaru. The Dove describes an India that is different from what the crying Mary described to her brothers. To a question on what Triglav was doing in India, the Dove replies that He is doing good, making gold and silver cups. The implied message is that Triglav continues to be in India and not in Serbia! The Dove suggests that they can alternatively pray to the younger God Svarožić (Dabog, the baby Sun) who can give them all goodness and most importantly no fear of ‘Hindustan’, ‘Tataria’ and ‘Manchuria’ as Dabog has no fear of these three. Young God Svarožić (Winter solstice sun, baby sun, Dabog, the Giving god) To give us everything good Most of all long life. Long life good health And wealth that God Dabog carries with him. Young god Svarožić (Dabog) sings in all the land He is not afraid of Hindustan Neither is he afraid of black Tataria Nor the immense wasteland A bloody black Globa black Globa Tataria (I don't know what Globa means, but it could be Gobi desert), And that nasty Manchuria. Caustic references to Globa Tataria and Manchuria clearly reveal the issues troubling the composers of these songs. The composers who once lived in India had to shift to Serbia fearing threat to their life in a situation of total lawlessness all around. The major threat had come from Tatars and Manchurians. From the presently available records, we can say that the murderous raids of Genghis Khan in North - North West parts of olden India - in what is now Pakistan and Afghanistan - had been referenced in these songs. The people who had faced grave threat to life in these parts of olden India had fled to Serbia and beyond. Their travails have been retained in ballads. The use of names such as India and Hindustan and ‘ji’ in Vishnji can only be from this time period of Mongol raids. This also gives rise to a view that the idea of Triglav was taken by them from India and that Triglav was not present in Slavic pantheon before. But there are references to the contrary. The earliest reference to Triglav comes in the works of Ebbo (c. 775 - 851) which is much earlier to Mongol raids. Ebbo had personally seen the worship of Triglav in Serbia as a three headed deity ruling the three worlds (heaven, earth and under sorld). According to him Triglav was the highest Slavic God and there was a temple for him in the city of Volin on the slopes of three hills. This must be Wolin of Poland known for a temple of Triglav described by another chronicler, Adam of Bremen (11th century CE). Interestingly the archaeological find of Triglav of Wolin is four-headed and not three headed! Another four-faced Triglav was discovered in Ukraine in 1848 and this was dated at 11th to 12th century CE. From the description of the researcher Dynda we get a detailed picture of the pillar of Triglav of this find. The pillar of Triglav is divided into three parts with the bottom most one having figures holding the pillar above. The topmost one has four heads facing four directions. They are covered with a common cap. The pillar is said to represent the axis connecting the three worlds, earth, heaven and under world. The four headed Triglav also has a parallel in Vedic culture - in the form of Brahma. Brahma the creator God is originally four faced - indicating creation on all four sides. But iconographic depiction of him can show only three faces and he is shown with three faces only in many places in India. The four faced deity can be mistaken for a three faced one, if, and only if the interpretation had not been native to the place where it is found. The inter-change between three faced and four faced image for Triglav exactly reveals a secondary evolution of Thought on Triglav which is not native to Slavic tradition. This means the pillar (in the nature of Dhvajā or standard), the concept of axis associated with the pillar, the three worlds under the rule of Triglav and the three works of creation, protection and destruction are not at all the original concepts of Slavic theology but a borrowed or an imported one.
I wonder why its all incoming and not outgoing whenever historical and cultural aspects are concerned. It seems like for one group of historians nothing is sourced in India.
Iran and India have been connected forever since antiquity so it makes sense but to say that Greek religion influenced Hinduism is pure bs. If anything Hinduism and Buddhism are the ones the would have influenced Greek religions.
Unfortunately its just copy paste! No Research. Skanda, Maha Sena, Shanmuga, Palani all are the same name of Senadhipati of devatas son of Shiva the vedic deity, and brother of Ganapati as puranic character. Please read Vedas and shastras which has tons of content. Please do some study. So unfortunate !!!
Nice theory, but with current times, some one could sue the print. Every where and every time gods where used to increase the influence of rulers on people.
Why ThePrint is doing WhiteWashing off Sanatani or 40000Years old Hindu Cultural Civilisation by Subduing with the Arian Theory & by Greek Architecture Influence... . ?? Just because off Hypocritical Historian have Eroded our entire Hindu Civilisation by the lsIamist& CoIoniaI lnvaders by Erasing Historical Facts of Indan History... & you too are nothing less than a Bigot for Historical Manipulation...!!
lol ! iranians adopted most concepts from India and vedic civilsation . Our own countrymen like to discredit our ancestors in the name of inclusivity , Colonial masters must be proud of you .
people are soo obsessed with the thing that we had nothing of our own everything that we have came to india frm somewhere else......... keep feeding same lie it become mainstream... God help india
How far this propaganda channel will go, As we indians don,, t do anything, everything we have copied. Next he will say Indians copied Mahabharat from west.
Consider using an excellent resource in this direction - the magnum opus, 'The Shape of Ancient Thought: Comparative Studies in Greek and Indian Philosophies' by Thomas McEvilley (2001).
@@PTSD.. evidence based conclusions? Lol so called evidence based conclusions would have one beleive that breast tax was a oppressive regime in pre modern kerala where women were taxed based on the size of their breasts. Tracing the actual citation loop to its source however reveals that the entire story of a tribal woman chopping off her breasts was marxist propaganda concocted over the decades. Thats all you need to spread propaganda through academia - time and sufficient number of citations from well known scholars. The academia of social sciences have their own dogma and are the new gatekeepers of legitimate knowledge - they play the same role as the church and clergy played in medievel europe and people like you dance to their tunes instead of confronting actual criticism with actual evidence or logical reasoning... good job...
You guys always think like Foreigners... Because yiu guys read only foreign writters who always wanted to show india's culture is a gift from Greeks... That is not true ,Its the othrway around.. Dr Raj Vedam busted ally of thesse myths.. Checkout his findings It is Shiva, Skanda: How Iranian, Greek gods absorbed Indian ideas....
I think, the gods of the Zoroastrians and vedic aryans have many similarities, which may originate from the proto indo-iranian culture coming out of the steppes of Eurasia. This melting with the Greek gods in the era of indo-greek Or bactrians is new to me. Thanks for this video.
Print needs to improve the storytelling style. Such compelling and fascinating material prsented so dryly like a speech mugged for an exam or verbal diarrhea 😞
Print is doing inversion and perversion. Greeks came into India in 320~ BC and they influenced Hindu faith ?? And our 10000 years of history disappears. Also Iranians were an off-shoot or another branch of Hindu people.
You saying this observe I would say cut copy paste, then used violence to get complete IP rights on it whoever raised voice against , they added Egypt too.....King Ramesses, .....even they have not left Buddhism in theft, this is the game of Brahminism rule and business. And now so arrogant for others are humiliating them and showing intolerance. That's why I like Buddha and Buddhist haritage and culture civilization
@@ic9771 Hindu nationalist = hindus who are also nationalists. It doesn't mean all nationalists are Hindus, or all hindus are nationalists. For example, there are some Hindu idiots, Hindu trolls, Hindu goons. That means idiots, trolls and goons who happen to be Hindus. Also, non-Hindu nationalists don't have a habit of distorting history to justify mythology.
@@teja7976 what a retort to my challenge! You have illustrated the level of your intellectual capacity with your comment! You have truly joined the ranks of these so called "hindu goons" who assign names like "anti national", "bakrichod" and "liberandu" to people they dont like - i.e. attacking the person instead of countering the arguments or have a rational conversation. Congrats on this acheivement!
There's a new god floating around nowadays. It's the incarnation of Vishnu. Some clowns also call him Vishwaguru! 🤔Please do a program on how he became an incarnation!!
While Iranian and Greek paganism have become extinct, Hinduism isn't just surviving it's thriving. The decentralised, amoebic nature of Hinduism has helped it survive several waves of invasions, conversions and plundering
Dont listen to leftist garbage, this presenter is pushing all garbage
Why ThePrint is doing WhiteWashing off Sanatani or 40000Years old Hindu Cultural Civilisation by Subduing with the Arian Theory & by Greek Architecture Influence... . ??
Just because off Hypocritical Historian have Eroded our entire Hindu Civilisation by the lsIamist& CoIoniaI lnvaders by Erasing Historical Facts of Indan History... & you too are nothing less than a Bigot for Historical Manipulation...!!
Oh it's still alive !
@@lizh1970 as opposed to xtianity in the west. You bet your non existent balls it is .
@parvadhami980
"While Iranian and Greek paganism have become [...] has helped it survive several waves of invasions, conversions and plundering"
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But I thought Hinduism is in danger?!?!? How is it thriving if it has been in (constant) danger for the last 800 years?
Secondly, the Iranians (i.e. Persians) and Greeks moved on from one set of superstitious beliefs to another dramatically different sets of superstitious beliefs,
while Hindus have clung on to gradually modified versions of old superstitious beliefs.
The great Print Philosopher himself. Next he will say Lord Venkateswara was a concept borrowed from the ancient Gauls and vikings😂
😅😂
Odin-eshwara
This mad idiot has smoked some high quality Hindu-kush strain and now he wants back the Hindu-kush mountain range from Afghanistan and that is his centre of philosophy 😂😂😂😂
Get with the program. India is a temporary land that belongs to Arabs, Persians and Turks but never the Hindus, for Mohamad the pedofile has called for conquest of Hindustan as the ultimate aim of pis lam
Thats the fact
How did you infer the direction of absorption from similarities? What if iranian and greek gods were inspired by hindu gods? 🤔
sshh sshhh lberandus are sleeping
Print Nazis believe in White supremacism, so it is unbearable for this Print Dog to even think that it was Indian Gods that inspired Greeks & Iranians.
You really need to grow up. Tanatani manuwaadi cult is a foreign Aryan central Asia origin and not from India. Schooling and education is really important for a great thinking mind. Don't you think so?
His source: trust me bro
Yes, actually Sanatan Dharma and Bhartiya culture has spread to different parts of world, and we all know the habits of Greeks and romans, they are known of stealing and claiming their own, the same thing their slave descendants like British, Germans, French etc are doing. Next time they will say Yog is originated in the cave of England
Yes India only had grass,we got everything from outside....great,thank you for reiterating this whenever possible.
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Isn't the title exactly opposite of what is being said in the video?
How do you attribute political motive to merging of religious identity? Can this not be attributed to the political class adopting a social evolution rather than as propaganda by the rulers? Noticed numerous instances of attribution of motives in 'Lords of the Deccan' as well. Would you agree if I call this as current hypothesis and not fact ?
Yes, this may be a hypothesis
@@bkcreatives Why ThePrint is doing WhiteWashing off Sanatani or 40000Years old Hindu Cultural Civilisation by Subduing with the Arian Theory & by Greek Architecture Influence... . ??
Just because off Hypocritical Historian have Eroded our entire Hindu Civilisation by the lsIamist& CoIoniaI lnvaders by Erasing Historical Facts of Indan History... & you too are nothing less than a Bigot for Historical Manipulation...!!
So if we have a hypothesis on other Religions origin is it ok to share like this r comment on them like this ? We they don’t backlash?
With kani hypotheses ARE facts of it suits his narratives. I'm surprised you went thru his entire book & still didn't catch on to this fact.
So basically the presentor rants on about how the kushans adapted hindu gods, zoroastrian gods and greek gods for political purposes - while the videos title suggests that the perception of hindu gods were actively and consciously moulded using external influences by practising hindus over the ages in some sort of concerted effort to econcile the differences between other pagan religions and hinduism - the presentor does illustrate the fact that attempts at using religion for furthering political narratives is not exclusive to rulers of the past but extends even to historians of the present - he has stirived hard to lead by example in this regard...
The original tamil murugan?
4000 years old.
Still Skanda?
yes if he says so
Gems of lallantop🤣🤣🤣
or was it the other way aorund? but then soros wudnt fund the print, wud he :)
Your short videos give an excellent peek into history ..... and your presentation is also excellent. Please keep it up.
Just out of curiosity, could you turn the books placed on either side of your desk to the spine side so viewers can see the titles? Some may be interested in buying specific titles .....
The origin of ideas etc is irrelevant, what you do now how you adopt is more important.
Indian civilization is a syncretism. We should feel good about it. It is multi racial, multi ethnic, multi language...but still 100% plural and unique.
The biggest melting pot in the world -of various other people, now extinct.
The base is off course not these idol businesses 😀
But God less, Deity less culture of Dharma, Karma, Yoga and Tantra.
5000 years from now, the world may forget Jesus of Nazareth, but Indians will remember him, as a deity, integrated within the rest of deities of "Indian" pantheon.
Indian geography is such. A protected pocket of riches, a world by itself.
South Asian god he says!!🤢
Insightful video.
Why Indra worship didn't happen in post Vedic era? Indra was the main god of Vedic Aryas. He is demonized in Puranas
Also were there any indigenous gods that were Hinduised or Sanskritised? Maybe Shaktas, Vaishnavas? Krishna?
Also Sisina(Shishina) worship is condemned in Vedas but why it is practised extensively in India?
Don't believe these Hindu hating Print Nazis.
Demonized in the puranas ? Why don't you reference your sources here ?
@@ic9771he can't produce a single evidence in his support 😂
This is pure BS. The whole idea of print is to tell that Hinduism is copied from Iranian & Greek but it’s actually vice versa
What nonsense.
Is The Print saying Santan Dharma isn't original.
How low will you all fall ?
Marxist historian formula
No.1 - demean
No.2 - defame
No.3 - destabilize
No.4 - reorganize
About time this hindutva propaganda of calling hinduism the oldest religion is called out.
@@user-do1fz9by4tgood example of Marxist formula no.1 demean
@@mukulsingh3902 It depends on how you take the truth. Some truths are simply bitter.
@@user-do1fz9by4t what if I told you they have found shiv ling and many Hindu deities like Ganesha in South America , will still say that Hinduism absorved those deities from South America , I can wake a person who is sleeping but cannot wake a person who is acting of sleeping . Unlike other religion we have proved our faith in court and judiciary over and over so keep telling your self sweet lies .
@@mukulsingh3902he proved your point
how can someone be this wrong? first of all, you should know this Kushans were iranian in religion before the come to india when kanishka rule he adopted buddhism and all their iranian gods became buddhist gods and later hindu gods. shiva is not oesho but Oesho is shiva. the Oesho is the original name not shiva. why you ignored the facts that kushans became buddhists? that's the problem with historians they first choose what they want to show and then create history around it.
@Rajnasya are bhai mere, go first read about kushans, here Iranian meaning religiously irani not the ethnicity ofcourse they were not irani they were cental asian and not mauran for your knowledge. they were straps under some chinese or mangolian kingdom than they create their own kingdom.
@Rajnasya are bc jabardasti? mtlb kch bhi? kha se laate ho etna khatrnak knowledge? mauryan empire pure indian tha jbki kushan cental asian tha aaj ka mangolia china ka area h wha se aae the wo log or mathura kashi tk raaj kia. syd tum unke vanshaj ho esliye unko mauryo se jod rhe ho 🤣🤣🤣
@Rajnasya abe gadhe yhi to dikkt h tum logo ki bs ek kahani ko leke baith jate ho, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Khotan
ye dekh le esme likha hua h khotan ke origin ke bare me or wo teri kunal wali kahani bhi Huen Tsang ke notes se nikli h wo kafi bad me aaya tha. history iti simple nhi jiti tu sochta h. it's more complex and nuance. har chiz ke alg alg version h
@@mittusharma3824ba, toh ase kesha kahdiya ki oshio Shiva ha, atleast search ta karla origin of Shiva, He is prevedic God, which is older than your ohiso.
When RigvEda was neither greek nor iranian cultures existed you mean to say the ideas there in are adopted from outside? You are trying to concoct a picture from a confused set of mindset. I am not sure what purpose is served?
Purpose of soros and vested media like print in distortion and vilification of Santana dharma is served.
Thapar 2.0. Legacy continues
Dear Anirudh, just discovered your RUclips clips. Fascinating!! Still reading your book as well. Feedback: PLEASE slowdown when you speak, and keep the maps longer on screen. Too many unfamiliar names and lots of information mean that we need time to process and follow along your narration.
Your book is so good. Please write next part
So the Indian pantheon of gods is a morph from the history of the greater geopollitical areas within and without the so called borders of India. This means that India has continuously captured, remembered and worshipped history. Never forgotten its diverse roots.
Another theory !! ... Please do more research and then present. Please don't rush for viewership like other channels. A lot more referencing and validations required for such a story. I was expecting better.
Nice theory.. by the way i thought Dionysus is closer to Mahadev not a demigod and both Avestan nd Rigvedic people had some issues so they reciprocated their gods, as here deva is good but in Persia deva is bad. So how ahura became an essential good part in deva ? And where was the axial bhram form of mahadev in the west ?Just curious
Well caught! The 'deva' dichotomy can also be seen in Ahura - the Zoroastran god while Asura is the portrayal of the opposite here.
Don't believe these Hindu hating Print Nazis.
@@kirankakde Why ThePrint is doing WhiteWashing off Sanatani or 40000Years old Hindu Cultural Civilisation by Subduing with the Arian Theory & by Greek Architecture Influence... . ??
Just because off Hypocritical Historian have Eroded our entire Hindu Civilisation by the lsIamist& CoIoniaI lnvaders by Erasing Historical Facts of Indan History... & you too are nothing less than a Bigot for Historical Manipulation...!!
I first realised it when on @Cognito channel I was watching this vdo abt Zoroastrianism.
In Hinduism 'Asur' depicts Evil forces and 'Dev' good ones
on contrary in Zoroastrianism 'Azur/Asur' is good one while 'Devs' r bad one.
But mind you, I m talking abt 'Dev' & 'Asur/Azur' as a word/name only, not actual Group of good and bad forces.
Most probably both groups of those ancient ppl had same idea of good & bad forces but it's only the name which they hadn't agreed upon.
So Zoroastrians called The Good Forces as 'Azur/Asur' and Sanatanis named the same Good Forces 'Dev'.
Smells Of Fish and Chips in this Video.
not a right wing activist andh bhakt but lol cmon man, greek and iranian ideas?
i dont know abt greek ideas but you have no clue abt what ancient persian religion was and how the different aryan tribs fought and how the war affected the religious and cultural practices of the two nations lmao
kushan empire didnt absorb shiva out of greeks lol
shiva was mentioned around 1500 bce while the kushans were around 30 bce
You are wrong. Your title should be HOW GREEK AND IRANIAN GODS ABSORBED INDIAN IDEAS.
Oesho and Shiva are two different things. Oesho is a persian god while Shiva is indic. Kushan coin mention oesho in Greek alphabet which is 100% zorastarian god.
Who thought Iran was a Buddhist Country.
The devatas were not born of nationalistic unitary imaginations; they were born of non dualist interpretations about natural aspects which a living individual is seen not being different from. Sure, here and there you can borrow inspirations on depictions; like Ravi Verma's paintings with European elements or Kushanas Greek influences. But if the question is that these devatas were forged in nationalistic identity of empires; their depictions wouldn't have had the inertia it does, that is their depictions should have changed or not seeped through to rival empires or regions within India. And what does some Pallava or Chola king in the South that conforms to a similar depiction have anything to do with the Kushanas?
The answer is quite the opposite; the Vedic deities due to their conceptualization were of open architecture and people assimilated them into their folk depictions or deities. Its not the other way round.
Interesting. Edifying as well..
Title of the video is objectionable. You are belittling hindu pantheon of deities. The climate and geography of India is more favourable to the origin and evolution of humans compared to the regions you see in Afghanistan Iran or Saudi Arabia and even the Sahara area or gobi and central Asia. So any influence will be from India to other parts of the world
Aryan or caste hindus practise Iranian religion which were influenced by Greeks, Sumerians, Mesopotamian, Assyrians, Egyptian gods. For a short period of time Iranians even converted to bhuddhism during the time Ashoka.conquered half of Iran.
Kushans were chinese in orgin moved frm Iran or centreal asia into Afganistan n Pakistan region. Thus their gods had deep greel, persian n bhuddist influence.
Native indian gods were Bhuddist n Tribal belief system of adivasis.
Brahminism rose only after pushya mitra shunga tenure when he forcefully injected Brahminism into Hinduism or native indian beloef system.
Thus Brahminism is an Iranian n abusive n colonial system. Thus caste system of Brahnins have colonial n racial overtone.
According to ancient Persian legends recorded in Shahnama, the history of ancient Iran begins with conflict of Ahuras (Asuras) and Daevas (Devas). Probably, Daeva or false god or evil spirit
Ahriman posed a great challenge to Ahur Mazda. Gayomart or Keyumars was the first king of Zoroastrians or Iranians. He was also the contemporary of Ahriman. Daeva Indra was also an enemy of Ahuras. In all probability, Ahriman was Aryaman who was one of the Adityas of early Vedic period. Devas and Asuras of early Vedic period were cousin brothers. They were always in
conflict for political supremacy. Puranic legends relate the legend of Tripurasura and his son Gayasura. Seemingly, Ahur Mazda (Mahasura or Asura Mahad) and his son Gayomart were Tripurasura and Gayasura. Avesta is the oldest text of Zoroastrianism. It is well known that there are significant similarities in the words and grammar of Avestan and Vedic Sanskrit languages. Avesta mentions Mithra, Varuna, Indra, Yama etc. Gathas of Avesta mention Rudra along with Angra Mainyu. Yajurveda’s one mantra (“नमस्ते रुद्र मन्यव”) also mentions Rudra and Manyu. Vedic and post Vedic sources indicate that Asuras also performed Yajnas. Gopatha Brahmana (1.1.10) refers to Asuraveda of Pratichyas (westerners) and Asita Dhānvan, an Asura Rishi. Asita is also mentioned in Avesta.
Shānkhāyana Shrauta Sutra mentions about Asuravidyā. Evidently, Asuras compiled their own Veda for performing rituals. The same Asuraveda came to be known as Avesta. Unfortunately, a major portion of Avesta text is now lost. Seemingly, Asuras, cousin brothers of Devas compiled their own Veda. Many Vedic Rishis taught Vedic sciences to Asuras. Sukracharya, a famous Guru of Asuras was known as Kāvi or Kava Us or
Kaikaus in Zoroastrianism. Sukracharya was the son of Kavi. He was referred to as Ushanas Kāvya in Rigveda Anukramani. Asuras evolved Avestan Sanskrit based on their own grammar from Proto Sanskrit. Thus, Vedic Sanskrit and Avestan Sanskrit have been artificially evolved and limited to only learned people. The common people of Asura community spoke Proto Iranian that was naturally evolved from Proto Sanskrit. It appears that the early Asuras had settled in Gāndhāra region on the banks of Helmand River. According to Vedic legends, Saramā Devashuni met Panis, a business clan of Asuras on the banks of Rasa River. Most probably, Rasa River was Helmand River of Afghanistan. King Bāhlika (Kuru dynasty) and King Gāndhara (Druhyu dynasty) conquered northern and southern Afghanistan respectively and established their kingdoms around 11100-11000 BCE.
Asuras had no other option to migrate further westwards. They settled in Iran, Iraq, Syria and Southern Anatolia. Pani Asuras (known as Phoenicians in the west) migrated up to Atlantic Ocean and a group of Panis might have founded the city of Atlantis which was submerged by sea around 10000 BCE. When the monsoons weakened after 11000 BCE, many groups of Dānavas and Turvashas had also migrated up to Greece and Druhyus had migrated to Sumeria and Syria. Thus, the speakers of Proto-Sanskrit and Proto-Iranian languages laid foundation for the evolution ofall west Asian and European languages. Therefore, Proto-Sanskrit was indeed the mother of Proto Indo-Iranian and Proto Indo-European languages. It appears that the early Zoroastrianism of Asuras was extended from Iran to Southern Anatolia and posed a challenge to Danavas and Turvashas, the early settlers of Greece. Seemingly, there were at least two Zoroasters. The first Zarathushtra also known as Ashu Zarathushtra or Zarathushtra Spitama was the author of Gathas and Yasna Haptanghaiti of Avesta. Though Yayavara brahmanas of Rigvedic era had names like Jaratkaru etc. but Yayavara brahmanas always followed Vedic tradition. Sanskrit poets Bhavabhuti and Rajashekhara belonged to the clan of Yayavara brahmanas. Ancient Greek sources also refer to two Zoroasters. Hermodorus (10th century BCE) believed that Zoroaster I lived 5000 years before the date of Trojan war (1842 BCE). Eudoxus also placed Zoroaster I 6000 years before the lifetime of Plato (11th century BCE).
Evidently, Zarathushtra I flourished around 7000 BCE and authored Gathas and Yasna Haptanghaiti of Avesta and recompiled Avesta. Zarathushtra I was like a Veda Vyasa of Zoroastrianism. He transformed Zoroastrianism into Monotheism and founded the basic tenets of Zoroastrian philosophy. This is how an Asuraveda transformed into Avesta and Zoroastrianism
around 7000 BCE. Interestingly, Zoroastrianism accepted the Indian concept of Mahayuga of 12000 years that evolved after Ramayana era. Zoroastrianism followed equal length of four Yugas
(3000 years of each Yuga) Instead of the differential duration (4:3:2:1) of four Yugas. Danavas and Turvashas of post Vedic era were the worshippers of Vedic devatas like Mitra, Varuna, Indra, Nāsatya and Agni etc. These Vedic gods had been transformed into Greek gods. 12 Olympian gods are like 12 Adityas of Vedic era. The common people from Afghanistan to East Europe prominently worshipped God Mithra. Gradually, Mitra became synonymous to Surya (Sun). Zarathushtra I’s monotheism also influenced the philosophy of Mitra god worshippers of East Europe. Thus, Mithraism was born in East Europe and became a popular religion before the
birth of Christianity around 600-300 BCE. Mithraism has been meticulously destroyed and wiped out by the Christian fraudster scholars and their authoritarian kings. Probably, many Indian families of Balochistan and Gandhara had also migrated to Sumeria, Babylon, Egypt around 11000 BCE. Puranas indicates that the sons of Prachetas, a descendant of Druhyu dynasty migrated to west and became the kings of Mlechcha countries. Sumerians and Egyptians started learning the basics of Indian astronomy and mathematics in the post-Ramayana era. This is the reason why Sumerians and Egyptians also believed that their gods and ancestors reigned for thousands of years. Sumerians and Egyptians also followed the Yuga of 4,32,000 years. A group of Babylonians came under the influence of Zoroastrianism who evolved the philosophy of Judaism. Yavanas and Bactrians of northern Afghanistan and Turkmenistan learnt the Surya Siddhanta of Mayasura (6778 BCE) and evolved Yavana Siddhanta under the influence of Surya Siddhanta. Many familes of Yavanas had migrated to Greece and western Anatoliaaround 5000-4500 BCE and came to be known “Ionians” and “Javans”. These migrated Yavanas traced the Vedic origin of Greek gods & goddesses and introduced the Indian sciences to Greece. Consequently, Hellenistic Greek mythology and Hellenistic sciences have been evolved.
better information than this video. good work.
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Shahnama was a 11 th century creation. Vedic age even from illiterate historians of Oxford cambridge believe to be from atleast 2000 bc
@@rathoref2336 The Chronology of Persia as Recorded by Persian Historians:
Firdausi’s Shahnama is the earliest text which relates the chronological history of ancient Persia.
@@nehjawanpuria7681 Why ThePrint is doing WhiteWashing off Sanatani or 40000Years old Hindu Cultural Civilisation by Subduing with the Arian Theory & by Greek Architecture Influence... . ??
Just because off Hypocritical Historian have Eroded our entire Hindu Civilisation by the lsIamist& CoIoniaI lnvaders by Erasing Historical Facts of Indan History... & you too are nothing less than a Bigot for Historical Manipulation...!!
About time this hindutva propaganda of calling hinduism the oldest religion is called out
The tendency of kings to rule with "divine right" is very much a Persian idea borne from the great schism between Vedic and Avestan cultures. Kushan culture was more inspired by greater Bactro-Persian culture as compared to indegenous Indian kings who believed more in the "king as a servant".
dear youtuber, it can be other way around. please read history again.
This guy is trying to judge Kanshikas as if he was alive at that time. Bottom line is that he is trying to say that gods were created for political purpose. By the way, this guy is best deciple of Irfan Habib and Romila Thapar. Mr. Genius, I have a question for you. Your fellow left historians theory was that Dravidians were native people from Indus civilization and driven out to south by Aryans from the west. Then why south indians especially tamilians worship Skand and Shiva who have Iranian origin per you? As per you these were the Gods created or adopted by Kanishkas from Iran for political purposes. Moreover, in Ramayana, Rushi Valmiki narrates the birth of Kumara\Skanda\Saravana in balakanda (Kumara Sambhavam). So, you mean, Ramayana was written some time later than Kushan empire is it? Mr. genius historian please spare some time to answer my questions.
Lolzz whoa guy hinduism is d oldest civilization every other religion came from sanathana dharma . Its not d other way round.😂😂
One of my friend had visited a Hindu temple at Azerbaijan's capital Baku. Very nicely preserved. Who made that temple God only knows, as no History book even mentioned that.
Maybe do an episode on how the post-Alexander greeks syncretised Herakles with Krishna?
Gud , shiva is not mere iranian oesho there more to it.
Nailed it...
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One of the Serbian folk songs sounds like the Svasti vachan of the Vedic tradition. It is reproduced here before delving into the Serbian version.
Swasthir maanushebhyah :
Oordhwam jigaathu bheshajam/
Sham no asthu dwi-padhe:
Sham chathush padhe
OM Shanti Shanti Shanti:
Translation:-
Let there be goodness to human beings.
Let the plants which are like medicine to us, grow up well.
Let the bipeds and quadrupeds be well.
Let there be our goodwill to them.
Let there be peace at all three levels of
Bhu (earth or physical ),
Bhuvah (intermediary or vital)
and svah (heaven or mental levels of) all these beings.
The Serbian version prays for the well being of the quadrupeds and human beings in a similar way by invoking the three Gods symbolized by Triglav - the three Gods resembling the Trimurti of the Vedic pantheon.
The Ser...May our cattle be healthy
All the cows and all the sheep
All the kids and all the lambs
All the great big horses
Which carry our heroes
Dear solders of the god Triglav
god Triglav the holy trinity
Vishnji god, the creator
Strong Živa the destrojer
and Branjanj the protector...
The names of the Gods Vishnji, Živa and Branjanj in the last three lines sound similar to Vishnu, Shiva and Brahma, with a slight variation in the works associated with them.
From the version given by three different biographers ( Ebbo, Herbord and monk from Priflinger) who lived between 8th and 12th century CE, it is known that Triglav with three heads was characterised as ruling the three worlds, heaven, earth and underworld. This resembles the three levels of Bhu, Bhuvah and Svah. The three Gods enshrined in Triglav are unmistakably the Trimurtis of the Vedic culture.
Other folk songs of Serbia give us some clues on the time period of a connection with India.
In the song titled, “The saints are dividing the treasure” Ognjena Marija (Fiery Mary) sister of St Petar, St Nicolas, St John, St Ilia and St Pantelija tells her brothers why she is crying:
...And kind Mary (Holy Mary) replies:
O my brother, Thunder god Ilija
how can i not cry
when i am coming from country of India
from India the accursed country.
In India there is complete lawlessness:
young are not respecting the old,
children are not respecting parents,
they have black cheeks before the god of truth,
a godfather is betraying godson,
brother is fighting brother,
brother in law is sleeping with sister in law,
and brother does not call his sister a sister...
In this verse the thunder God Ilija is the same as Indra and it is the only God other than the Trimurti that find mention in the folk songs revealed in the blogspot.
The name India appears as “Inđije” in this song. The song clearly establishes origins in India and leaving India under distress in a war like condition.
The name India is of recent origin. If the composers of this song had come from India at some time in the past, it is least probable that they identified the country as India if it was before the Common Era. The song describes all round lawlessness - something unthinkable anytime in the pre-Islamic India. We can therefore confidently place the time of origin of these singers in India towards the end of the first millennium of the Common Era. Support for this conjecture comes from another folk song of Serbia.
This song is a ‘Christmas time ceremonial prayer song’ found in the collection of Vuk Stef. Karadžić. It gives important clues on the time period of this song. It is in the form of a dialogue with a dove which flew to India! The singer asks the Dove where he was flying. The Dove says ‘to India, our country’!
...gray Živa, mighty gray,
mighty gray dove!
where did you travel?
and gray Živa, mighty gray dove, answers:
"I traveled all the way
To India our country.
I flew over Hindustan
And over Tatarstan
Black Hindus and Tatarus.
I flew to our Master
Our mighty God Triglav
And I watched what he was doing
What he was doing and ordering.”
The names Hindušana (Hindustan), Tartariju (Tatars) and Hinduš (Hindus) in this song can only be of recent origin
U Inđiju našu zemlju.
Prolećela Hindušana
I tu Globu Tartariju
Crni Hinduš i Tartaru.
The Dove describes an India that is different from what the crying Mary described to her brothers. To a question on what Triglav was doing in India, the Dove replies that He is doing good, making gold and silver cups. The implied message is that Triglav continues to be in India and not in Serbia! The Dove suggests that they can alternatively pray to the younger God Svarožić (Dabog, the baby Sun) who can give them all goodness and most importantly no fear of ‘Hindustan’, ‘Tataria’ and ‘Manchuria’ as Dabog has no fear of these three.
Young God Svarožić (Winter solstice sun, baby sun, Dabog, the Giving god)
To give us everything good
Most of all long life.
Long life good health
And wealth that God Dabog carries with him.
Young god Svarožić (Dabog) sings in all the land
He is not afraid of Hindustan
Neither is he afraid of black Tataria
Nor the immense wasteland
A bloody black Globa
black Globa Tataria (I don't know what Globa means, but it could be Gobi desert),
And that nasty Manchuria.
Caustic references to Globa Tataria and Manchuria clearly reveal the issues troubling the composers of these songs. The composers who once lived in India had to shift to Serbia fearing threat to their life in a situation of total lawlessness all around. The major threat had come from Tatars and Manchurians. From the presently available records, we can say that the murderous raids of Genghis Khan in North - North West parts of olden India - in what is now Pakistan and Afghanistan - had been referenced in these songs. The people who had faced grave threat to life in these parts of olden India had fled to Serbia and beyond. Their travails have been retained in ballads. The use of names such as India and Hindustan and ‘ji’ in Vishnji can only be from this time period of Mongol raids.
This also gives rise to a view that the idea of Triglav was taken by them from India and that Triglav was not present in Slavic pantheon before. But there are references to the contrary.
The earliest reference to Triglav comes in the works of Ebbo (c. 775 - 851) which is much earlier to Mongol raids. Ebbo had personally seen the worship of Triglav in Serbia as a three headed deity ruling the three worlds (heaven, earth and under sorld). According to him Triglav was the highest Slavic God and there was a temple for him in the city of Volin on the slopes of three hills. This must be Wolin of Poland known for a temple of Triglav described by another chronicler, Adam of Bremen (11th century CE). Interestingly the archaeological find of Triglav of Wolin is four-headed and not three headed!
Another four-faced Triglav was discovered in Ukraine in 1848 and this was dated at 11th to 12th century CE. From the description of the researcher Dynda we get a detailed picture of the pillar of Triglav of this find. The pillar of Triglav is divided into three parts with the bottom most one having figures holding the pillar above. The topmost one has four heads facing four directions. They are covered with a common cap. The pillar is said to represent the axis connecting the three worlds, earth, heaven and under world.
The four headed Triglav also has a parallel in Vedic culture - in the form of Brahma. Brahma the creator God is originally four faced - indicating creation on all four sides. But iconographic depiction of him can show only three faces and he is shown with three faces only in many places in India.
The four faced deity can be mistaken for a three faced one, if, and only if the interpretation had not been native to the place where it is found. The inter-change between three faced and four faced image for Triglav exactly reveals a secondary evolution of Thought on Triglav which is not native to Slavic tradition. This means the pillar (in the nature of Dhvajā or standard), the concept of axis associated with the pillar, the three worlds under the rule of Triglav and the three works of creation, protection and destruction are not at all the original concepts of Slavic theology but a borrowed or an imported one.
I wonder why its all incoming and not outgoing whenever historical and cultural aspects are concerned. It seems like for one group of historians nothing is sourced in India.
This is murugan
Iran and India have been connected forever since antiquity so it makes sense but to say that Greek religion influenced Hinduism is pure bs. If anything Hinduism and Buddhism are the ones the would have influenced Greek religions.
Unfortunately its just copy paste! No Research. Skanda, Maha Sena, Shanmuga, Palani all are the same name of Senadhipati of devatas son of Shiva the vedic deity, and brother of Ganapati as puranic character. Please read Vedas and shastras which has tons of content. Please do some study. So unfortunate !!!
do some more videos on buddhist history of india sir
Nice theory, but with current times, some one could sue the print. Every where and every time gods where used to increase the influence of rulers on people.
Don't believe these Hindu hating Print Nazis.
Why ThePrint is doing WhiteWashing off Sanatani or 40000Years old Hindu Cultural Civilisation by Subduing with the Arian Theory & by Greek Architecture Influence... . ??
Just because off Hypocritical Historian have Eroded our entire Hindu Civilisation by the lsIamist& CoIoniaI lnvaders by Erasing Historical Facts of Indan History... & you too are nothing less than a Bigot for Historical Manipulation...!!
lol ! iranians adopted most concepts from India and vedic civilsation . Our own countrymen like to discredit our ancestors in the name of inclusivity , Colonial masters must be proud of you .
people are soo obsessed with the thing that we had nothing of our own everything that we have came to india frm somewhere else......... keep feeding same lie it become mainstream... God help india
Yah lefist log apni hi philosophy bana ke kush hote rehte hai 😂😂😂 are bhai indus valley civilisation iran or Egypt se puranai hai
You make telugus proud 😂
This guy's intent is to cancel one of the oldest civilization the Hindu Nation . Shiva worshipped by Hindus is original.
How far this propaganda channel will go, As we indians don,, t do anything, everything we have copied. Next he will say Indians copied Mahabharat from west.
Consider using an excellent resource in this direction - the magnum opus, 'The Shape of Ancient Thought: Comparative Studies in Greek and Indian Philosophies' by Thomas McEvilley (2001).
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I would trust what Raman Maharishi say about Shiva than this cuckoo
Such videos are for people who trust evidence based conclusions. So, you don't need to worry too much about such videos.
@@PTSD.. evidence based conclusions? Lol so called evidence based conclusions would have one beleive that breast tax was a oppressive regime in pre modern kerala where women were taxed based on the size of their breasts. Tracing the actual citation loop to its source however reveals that the entire story of a tribal woman chopping off her breasts was marxist propaganda concocted over the decades. Thats all you need to spread propaganda through academia - time and sufficient number of citations from well known scholars. The academia of social sciences have their own dogma and are the new gatekeepers of legitimate knowledge - they play the same role as the church and clergy played in medievel europe and people like you dance to their tunes instead of confronting actual criticism with actual evidence or logical reasoning... good job...
@@PTSD..haha, choosing some of the facts to suit the conclusion 🤣. He conveniently forgets that the kushans converted to Buddhism 😅
now here xomes another ati shahana bail
Lol
Silk route trade of era might be connected with coins, daities purposes identity?
Chor communists guru ke chandala students never disappoints us.
You guys always think like Foreigners... Because yiu guys read only foreign writters who always wanted to show india's culture is a gift from Greeks... That is not true ,Its the othrway around.. Dr Raj Vedam busted ally of thesse myths.. Checkout his findings
It is Shiva, Skanda: How Iranian, Greek gods absorbed Indian ideas....
I think, the gods of the Zoroastrians and vedic aryans have many similarities, which may originate from the proto indo-iranian culture coming out of the steppes of Eurasia. This melting with the Greek gods in the era of indo-greek Or bactrians is new to me. Thanks for this video.
Right my dear. Indo Iranians were influenced by zorastrian religion or were part of their common origin. Fire worshipping is common to both.
This guy is foreign funded
Bahut sadu ho
Print needs to improve the storytelling style. Such compelling and fascinating material prsented so dryly like a speech mugged for an exam or verbal diarrhea 😞
Kuch Bhi
O mad man don't spread lies, how shameless you are to defame our own religion and god n goddesses
He was bought over with mutton & cheap liquor to speak like this. The mutton was on the table at the back of the camera.
Print is doing inversion and perversion. Greeks came into India in 320~ BC and they influenced Hindu faith ?? And our 10000 years of history disappears. Also Iranians were an off-shoot or another branch of Hindu people.
You saying this observe I would say cut copy paste, then used violence to get complete IP rights on it whoever raised voice against , they added Egypt too.....King Ramesses, .....even they have not left Buddhism in theft, this is the game of Brahminism rule and business.
And now so arrogant for others are humiliating them and showing intolerance.
That's why I like Buddha and Buddhist haritage and culture civilization
HINDU NATIONALIST ON THEIR WAY TO THE COMMENTS 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Why are only Hindu , nationalists ? Why aren't non Hindu , nationalists ? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@ic9771 Hindu nationalist = hindus who are also nationalists. It doesn't mean all nationalists are Hindus, or all hindus are nationalists. For example, there are some Hindu idiots, Hindu trolls, Hindu goons. That means idiots, trolls and goons who happen to be Hindus. Also, non-Hindu nationalists don't have a habit of distorting history to justify mythology.
@@teja7976 tell me aboit one non hindu nationalist and i will tellyou how they distorted history - best example is ambedkar...
@@surajs5913 typical chintu nationalist.
@@teja7976 what a retort to my challenge! You have illustrated the level of your intellectual capacity with your comment! You have truly joined the ranks of these so called "hindu goons" who assign names like "anti national", "bakrichod" and "liberandu" to people they dont like - i.e. attacking the person instead of countering the arguments or have a rational conversation. Congrats on this acheivement!
This knowledge is anti-national 😉
@Rajnasya yes only knowledge that is sanatani is valid rest everything is false.
Aryans🤣🤣🤣brahman to be very straight right
There's a new god floating around nowadays. It's the incarnation of Vishnu. Some clowns also call him Vishwaguru! 🤔Please do a program on how he became an incarnation!!
Yes. He is called Pappu
This sounds like a lot of assumptions & correlations biased to one hypothesis.
Wrong you need to change your title
How Egypt and iranian absoder hindu gods
This is the most fake narrative in youtube!!
Face and figure tells he is communist.😂 very evil goals kept dormant for the right time comrade.
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