Can DEVON actually make 105 kg? Weight cutting and is it FAIR
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- Опубликовано: 8 фев 2025
- Weight cutting has and will be part of any sport with weight classes and armwrestling is not exception. Has Devon Larratt taken it too far?
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I love the double meaning of "full of shit" used by Janis, lmao
You know why because Devon said some bad things in press conference of east vs west 15
you guys are slow
@@OpSal-zr7jehe referred to latrine
What double meaning? Please reply
Agreed. Not making weight is fine in a non-title match, but when it is for a world title both opponents must make weight!!!!
So the match was too early... they should have wait 2 months at least.
Cutting that much weight at his age is going to suck.
@@mymodel6are u serious? You know the mindset of the man ur talking about? Cutting weight is a mentality
@@mymodel6
Impossible? People do it all the time.
@@mymodel6
Zero examples? There are thousands. Ricky hatton would cut weight, weigh in at 140lbs and rehydrate to 150lbs -154lbs for the fight the next day, and he's a little guy. Boxers have been doing this for years. Wrestlers, mixed martial artists....
@@DemocratsAgentsOfCarnageat a certain point it’s physical, no matter what your mentality is there’s a limit to how much you can cut.
@@HandelandJ Nope. Watch and learn
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Meanwhile Petrenko will be at maximum strength & performance.
And still looked like a girl against Devon
@ True, Devon proved me wrong AGAIN.
Love this new type of videos! Great content✅
Weighing in should happen immediately before the match. In all sports. It’s ridiculous the way it is now
No they weigh in the night before in all sports even ufc. To me thats good then a guy can quick try to eat and get nutrients. Have you seen people cut its bad they want to die. Watch chris cyborgs cuts it is god awful. These guys in all sports would be so dam ill we wouldnt have a show like we do.
@@RICHIE_RICH89but we would have people that 1) don’t risk their health and 2) actually belong in their weight divisions, going into their respective matches. I doubt Devon would be doing this if he had to be 105 kg on the exact moment. And perhaps that’s the way it’s supposed to be, because now we have athletes finding loopholes to smuggle themselves into other weight classes and actually weighing a lot more during the match. I don’t understand it
@@RICHIE_RICH89yeah or else they gonna die fighting
@@LurkerBelow-uh7fo that's exactly what Michael Todd did when he faced Ongarbaev at 105 kg division , people say he weight 117 kg at the day he compete and he really looked that heavy .
Weight class is just a joke in armwrestling if they don't stricten the weight in procedure
@@RICHIE_RICH89 It's complete bs the way it is now. If it's too unhealthy to cut weight until the hour before the match takes place, guess what? Don't do it, you don't belong in that weight class
Janis looking dapper 👌💪
East VS West should show us the weigh ins!!!
You are dumb.
They should show us everything they can, because we want to see everything we can!
They already do
They do I think right? The problem is they don’t have a official or professional scale. I should say. They just use like a regular bathroom scale, which can easily be manipulated.
Doesn’t matter if they show the weigh in. Salty folk will just say Devon is cheating the weigh in no matter what.
Great video btw guys! Really good info, you guys are knowledgable.
Been on water fast lately for 11 days and dropped 8kg easy. I did not even move too much. Put some training into the picture and you got it.
“Water limits” or “weight limits” new title available
I see your point in the weigh in time and the amount of time left to rehydrate for the bigger guy, but I just look at what you said at how much it affects the body negatively with that much of weight cut and with strength loss so that guy cutting that much is at a disadvantage in my mind to have to cut that weight bc you may rehydrate your weight, but that strength still isn’t gonna be peaked and your body still nutrient depleted. These are pros and they sign the contracts knowing the rules so as long as they agree to it then it’s fair in my mind.
Part of me thinks that Devon's recently-uploaded weigh-in videos are actually from some time ago. If legit, the cut at his age is absolutely extreme.
My opinion too, Devon can playing us all... He likes to do this, to be in control...
Thanks guys for laying it out like it is! I see too many people saying it will be EASY for Devon. Which it definitely will NOT be. I do think he’ll make it though.
Janis looks like a French philosophy professor.
A philosopher from the Witcher 3😎
Since when do arm wrestlers wear button-up shirts? For a second I was scared Janis was going to announce retirement :) Don't scare me like that LOL Great video series guys.
Personally, I hate the weight-cutting stuff. They should weigh-in just before the match. I don't like the idea that someone could win because they are the best at dehydrating the shit out of themselves. Just my opinion. Your thoughts?
Absolutely. Good sports should not allow competitors to endanger their organs. Then it becomes a competition of who is willing to risk the most, rather than simple, fair competition.
it's fine. Not everybody is going to do it. if some want to try it and can maintain strength and get away with it, then it's perfectly fine. there are definite consequences for doing it.
1 hr b4 the match or it don't count!! Imagine it will also build pre-match hype, a face-off, maybe a lil crowd interaction, and then to the match.
I don't like the idea that someone with a longer arm can just take advantage of leverage to beat someone as strong as the Korean Hulk. Where do we stop applying that sort of thinking? Eliminate top roll?
Some people are naturally closer to weightclasses, so instead of forcing them to compete in a higher weight bracket where they are at a disadvantage, they can sweat out a few lbs of water go down one instead, and potentially gain a slight advantage.
They are allowed to rehydrate via IV so the risks are substantially lower than that in actual combat sports.
Like the guy above said, when does it end, people only allowed to use the same amount of steroids and have the same body dimensions and age..??
People think this is a huge health concern, yet are ok with athletes putting on 100+ pounds through heavy PED usage putting tremendous strain on their heart, kidney, liver and joints for years on end.
Whereas a weightcut lasts a few days...
There’s no way the extreme measures that Devon is doing to make the weight aren’t detrimental to his strength & optimum capability! If Devon proves me wrong, I should never doubt him again, But I predict Petrenko 60/40.
Idk man, ive had to cut 8 kg in 6 days and it was somewhat easy just annoying af. Gained my strength back in 2 days and felt great
@@DevexTRE yeah 8 from your normal weight but he has to lose 10 kg while already not having carbs for many days and already lost a lot of weight is way different
Oh extremely bad
i agree. i am rooting for Devon all day, but i really see it being a very hard week and he will suffer. it will have an effect....time will tell how much it takes from him.
@@Troosonhes 8kg away from the weight he needs
Like you said. His mind is very strong. I truly believe he will make the cut. But what are your thoughts about his strength loss? His body!!! I’m not sure he will be fit enough after all this.
And another question. What’s gonna happen if he doesn’t make the weight cut?
If he fails to make weight they still gonna pull but the title is no longer on the line
As far as I heard Pascal Girard did something similar to what Engin did with the master weigh-in.
This is going to be tough mma fighters do it but not at that age
If he does beat Petrenko it will make all of this that much more impressive because this is one of the craziest cuts I’ve seen in armwrestling anyways
Should be wight in two hours before competition
Devon plays his games
Curious if it becomes a non title match (like was mentioned)... then it sets up for another rematch?,
Saying that, thanks for sharing, always fun to watch 🙂👍
Let me tell you why that doesn't actually add any fairness, Coach Ray. Everybody within the current rules can already do the exact same thing that Devon is doing. They can get as big as they want and cut as much as they want. All changing it to same day weigh-ins does is to eliminate an element of strategy. It's a bit like eliminating top roll, king's move, etc. You just make everybody hook so that they have the same chance without worrying too much about strategy and technique.
Do we really want to eliminate every single way people can use the rules to their advantage just to make it so that those who don't want to don't have to?
0:25😂 Janis knows
Same day weigh-ins 👍
Would be interested in athletes weights at day of competition like how much they rehydrated after making the weight limit
Who actually believes Devon put on more lean mass off cycle than he did in the lead up to Levan. Devon stayed lean the whole time, you really think he put on 20kg of lean muscle off cycle?
There was zero interest in this fight, even with shutout stakes, until Devon said he had to cut 20kg.
Well, he's the one who says that the fight starts when you sign the contract, *and* we are talking about confirmed Pinocchio here.
If it's all true, he might lose. But it probably is not all true.
@@bakters he owns the betting site . they have to create interest
@@JacobsNews Oh, of course. That too.
Hot take.
Weigh-in's for all sports should be at the actual time of competition.
If your frame is too big to compete at a lighter class, even at single digit body fat, congratulations. you can compete at a higher weight class.
The entire point of weight classes is to have people of similar frame sizes and densities a chance to compete with each other instead of people double their size.
If you wanna do PED's, that's on you, but they increase your sports performance mainly by way of increasing your muscle mass. Making you heavier.
My other hot take is there should be a natty league and an untested league too.
Why are people questioning if he can do it? I’ve seen crazier cuts in other sports before.
The question is not if Devon can do it, but how he will recover from it. When the cut is this big, it is harder to predict his level 36 hours later.
This will not be an easy match for Devon by any means. Yes, he's the bigger guy and has a small window to rehydrate and recoup, but this type of weight loss won't come without drawbacks. He will lose some of his strength and his stamina will take a hit. This is Oleg's comp weight and he will likely be in his best shape. Should be interesting.
We have same day weigh ins for jiu jitsu also. I even had to drop weight again the following day of a tournament as I was also competing in no gi.
My money is on Devon
I would definitely pick Devon, unfortunately, this is a very dangerous weight cut and it’s going to take a lot out of him. I think he’s going to lose because of this.
@@jakeventura1806lol excuces start early this time.😂😂😂😂
@ I’m a Big Devon Fan. I’m just a realist as well.
I think this is one of the most dangerous things Devon has done. Going into a war zone, you know you're putting your life on the line, but Devon really doesn't seem to understand the dangers of extreme weight cuts.
He knows.
He's been weight cutting for longer than you've been alive
This isn't really and extreme weight cut.
I didnt know there's age written on youtube account
Dadikyan previously cut 10kg too. I guess it's possible with diuretics but increases risk of injury and is overall unhealthy. Dadikyan is a young man though. Devon is almost 50
I mean if you want it to be fair and strict make the weigh in right before the competition
Never underestimate intravenous fluids and a sushi bar
105kg are 105kg 👍
I've said it before, this is gonna be one of Devons more difficult matches in recent times. That weight cut comes with a strength cut. Meanwhile Oleg is already comfortable at that weight. Everyone saying Devon will run through him, that won't be the case
I actually favor Petrenko, and i do believe that he will come out victorious.
As far as I am concerned, the sport is armwrestling, not dehydration+armwrestling. We should just re-weigh people the moment they get on stage with a small tolerance (say 1kg) from a previous weigh-in used to make the categories, if they are heavier, they are out.
Keep that same energy for steroid usage too... which is for more dangerous to athlete health.
People don't just sit naturally at a certain weightclass, im 100kgs, so it would be smarter for me to cut 5kgs to 95 than to go up and compete against the 105kg guys..
@@Rondigity92 I'm all in favour of testing for PEDs. We all know the issue is the budget though. Weighing someone instead comes for basically free.
@@niccoloricardi4827 great point
@@Rondigity92 classes are often every 5 kg up to 90, and then every 10 kg.
People can still manipulate their weight to quite some extent with diet and potentially gut cuts, but it would make significant dehydration counterproductive as it would make you significantly weaker, since there would not be time to rehydrate
104.8 kilo to be exact 💯🇨🇦🇺🇸👑👑👑👑👑👑
Love Devon and want him to win, but I think this drastic cut is going to leave him without enough strength or endurance to beat Oleg.
Yes it's fair it's for everyone 👍
Since the weigh ins cause athletes to jepordize their health I think it's just better have them a few hours before. Plus, maybe that will actually decrease the likelyhood of people showing up too heavy.
What's the point of a weight class if you only weigh that much for like 5 minutes
I'm not an expert but I think it's because you can't really put on 10 "quality" pounds not even in 72 hours and both athletes can gain a couple more pounds after the weighing so I think it's kinda fair.
@@kensnzbr4137some people are naturally closer to weightclasses, so instead of forcing people to compete in a bigger weight class where they are at a disadvantage, they can go down one by sweating out a few pounds of water and potentially have an advantage.
Yea it’s a joke if you don’t walk around that weight. It’s just to say he got three titles at EvW but cannot hold any of them
UFC is the same way this is nothing new
@@Ghostwriter33 Some people are naturally closer to weightclasses, so instead of forcing them to compete in a higher weight bracket where they are at a disadvantage, they can sweat out a few lbs of water go down one instead, and potentially gain a slight advantage.
They are allowed to rehydrate via IV so the risks are substantially lower than that in actual combat sports.
Is anything Devon does fair at all?
I feel like Petrenko is gonna pull a Genadi style win.
He is already without water and fat, nothing to lose....impossible
I guess we will see.
If we are talking health wise it would be best to have weight ins close to competitions. i dont want to see someone like Devon get hurt. Its dont think most guys are going to push a cut like Devon.
He doesn’t have 23lbs to lose in water. He looks a lot leaner and skinner than he says his weight is. Super dry and lean now. If he’s being truthful about his weight then I don’t think he will make it. He doesn’t have the water to lose.
i feel the same...i hope he can do it...but looks drained Already and not much fat
Janis is Very clever, and a Nice guy
regarding the "is it cheating"....depends on when the weight in is. if its 2-3 days before...yea...not a fan of that, in any sport.
same day weight in. no massive carb load for 1-2 days before comp.
btw, i really hope Devon isn't winging it, water cuts of this magnitude are dangerous, don't do it at home kids.
Devon used to cut from 114 kg to 102 kg for the WAL league in heavyweight. Which is 250 lbs to 225 lbs. If he was really 273 lbs and down to 231 thats more extreme, but I doubt he was really that high at the peak. But regardless his clothed 114 kg to 105 kg in a week is doable, assuming 1-2 kg of clothes and then the water he should hit 105 kg. But I think he will be much much weaker.
stop interrupting each other
Stop listening
Fighters limit water cutting to 10% because it dehydrates the brain and leads to concussions.
I want to see live camera footage of showing the weight. Not camera showing Engin checking the weight, and saying it is ok. I want camera showing the numbers on the scale, and 2nd camera showing devon standing on the scale. Cause I am almost sure he will not cut the weight on time.
If he does make the weight, zero chance he defends this title if he wins. If he can’t make it, still have the match but not for the title. It would just be for entertainment and I would be OK with that.
its almost like devon wants to put himself in these type of situations so that if he loses, he'll have an excuse
If you lose that much weight,you lose a lot of strength.
Weigh at the table. The entire point of classes is to create equity. Let guys of similar stature go at it. That's literally the entire point. So simple...
It's like 20lbs in water cut. I've done that for wrestling. It's possible. And unlike me (who in wrestling only had about 60-90min to rehydrate before the match after weigh-in), Dev's got plenty of time to recover before fighting.
he has to lose 10 kg while already not having carbs for many days and already lost a lot of weight is way different
@@Trooson he is already at weight he owns the beating site and need interest . plus they will use a bathroom scale thrown on the ground in a hall way
@@JacobsNews yeah those digital scales can be easily manipulated
@@Trooson Well, if we're going to compare... it is not "way different." Because when I cut 20lbs water for matches in wrestling, I'd already cut bodyfat down to about 5% (as measured by a doc). I'd been 190 at the end of football. I was certified to wrestle at 152 just 2.5 weeks later. Suffice it to say I only had just so much fat weight to cut so I also loss some muscle, and then it'd be another 20lb to get to 152 at the weigh-in for the match....which was only 60-90 minutes before the match.
So 48h before the match would be no food, no water, full wrestling practice, extra 1-2h of half sprints and half fast jogs at the track, and before bed a brutal heat bath that had me dizzy for hours as I lay sweating on towels on my bed. Oh right, and I'd towel-seal my door and open my windows to shiver some extra weight away over night.
If anything that was harder. And I would never do it again because it was self-defeating. I was running on willpower only. Just drained, exhausted, and could only think of food and water.
I hope Paul Lynn is helping
The real question is his ability to carb up and gain strength back over the 36 hrs after weight in . Him pulling at the end of the card is in his favour too of course . I would think Devon will be 260 at time of the match
I love the hype but hate Devon making fools of everyone or maybe just us , regular armwrestling fans? Obviously he’s trying to make it fun but he’s already close to 105 long time ago…don’t fool yourself, it’s Devon.
On e&w yt he just weighted 111 kg.. no surprise, again, it’s Devon.
Im getting nervous, petrenko may not run through him
Mans gotta fast
Guys, cutting down from 115 to 105 is not the same as going down from, let's say, 85 to 75. The heavier you are, the more leverage you have. For example, for Levan would be even easier to go from 180 to 170 n not lose strength at all.
I think there will be some shit going on. Devon will not make it in reality, but we fans will not know that.
Devon has one day to re-hydrate and eat as much carbs he can.
I think that Devon is trolling US.
I think he Is fighter than what he says. I think he Is 110kg and he has only 5 kg to loose.
Devon just posted a video of him on the scale. Clothed he was 115
@@MikePitt84 I know.... But are you sure he doesn't have some weight on him and doesn't show It? I wouldn't be surprised
@@IACORAUI wouldn’t be surprised either 😆🧱🤫
hes 6"5 when hes not slouching. -10-13kgs is a matter of water weight over the week. No dinners.
Water and glycogen cut in a week can easily make you lose 10% of your weight in a week. Just basic steady pace cardio will work the best, saunas are USELESS and DANGERIOUS.
If he isn't fully hydrated he could rip his bicep
He knows how to lose weight properly he’s totally fine
GH Is the way...
Ineffective for cutting weight
Make weight 48 hrs before and everybody has the same opportunity to bulk up, rehydrate to their maximum performance. More rules the less entertaining.
He shouldnt have to cut christ his height its mega hard. Next petrenko does not look light at all to me.
He absolutely has to cut to 105kg if he wants to have the chance of competing for the 105kg title. This is common sense
I think either he cant make weight and he might win, but not for title. Or he makes the weight and he will realize how that cut will effect his nervous system, energy, mental capacity and overall strength.
Gonna be a very miserable week for the Larratts in Turkey.
Devon will punch poor Jody.
also, same day, get more scales ? What is the problem lol
Is that even possible.....
Devon is planning to win off hand control and leverage alone, all I want for this match are for the refs to be on him with the pre-start hand bs he does for unfair start.
Devon isn't cutting weight. He's playing all of you. He probably took those videos back when he was competing against Levan and saving for trolling later.
haha Yep, That will be Devon for you! Hope you're right.
There's a video on Engins channel where he weighed like 115kg
He can do it but he’s going to be weak. I think Devon is hoping height makes the difference. But I think petrenko will be too explosive. If Devon loses, I dunno where he goes. He can’t go down, he can’t to super heavies anymore. It’s just 115 and that’s it lol
So what? Most athletes compete exclusively in one division
Devon was 119kg for Levan not 123.
If he was, he’s fucking brave or insane. That’s a massive gap. Roll on Brian Shaw. Maybe, just maybe, he can give Levan a match but by the time he’s ready Levan might even have moved on.
@@NicolaiAwesome It was neither brave nor insane. Devon's body was falling apart since his Dave match when he uncontrollably lost weight going down from 283 down to about 267 for Ermes and then 263 for Levan when his target was to gain 10 pounds, not lose 10. He didn't know if his body would ever regain form. Even he was surprised to see his body was 273 for Leonidas, practically without any effort 10lbs heavier than he was for Levan. It's thanks to all the rest he got.
Devon is former special forces and triathlete. Some of rules don't apply to him.
Devon is 108 kilos guys
I do not believe devon will make weight
Devon made weight
So many world title matches and the topic is the weight of on athlete. Well done.
How tf is devon gonna do this withouth his strenght suffering
LETS GO NO LIMITS 💪🔥
Been saying these things for years! Love how you said it. It’s sanctioned cheating.
how is cutting weight that fast? by using steroids right, how exactly they do it any one can explain?
They stop drinking any fluids
You deplete your carbohydrates about 1 week out, with the glycogen from your muscles gone you lose around 2kg at Devon's weight. You should be eating low volume and fibre foods for the week, so you empty your intestines as much as possible without getting constipated.
Then you drink about 6-10 liters of water with added minerals for about 4-7 days out from competition. Simply put you will pee like crazy, even when you completely stop drinking 1-2 days out. Then you add in sauna etc. To lose the missing amount. Someone as lean as Devon and weighing 110-115 has no trouble losing 10 kg in water.
People saying he can't lose the weight because he is so lean don't know how a weight cut works. The more muscle and less fat you carry at a given weight the better.
Now I typed all this and the vid got to the part where Janis explains everything anyways 😅
@@jr5960that’s incorrect. Read up on water cuts and how they’re done.
No same day weigh in!!
Cutting that much weight is gonna take alot of strength from him😬
Coach Ray talking to Michel Foucault?
anything is possible with the weight even in a very short period of time as long as there is no drug test...