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Just came here to hear you wonder about the same shit i heard drongo cringing about an hour ago.
hahah, yeah watched the Drongo vid too, this tourney's odd for sure, I wonder if some kinda updates are gonna happen within the next few months to EW or something? Rebalance? New options??? Won't hold my breath, lol
For the next tournament I humbly suggest the final is a custom game with 100 Great Bombards VS 100 Great Bombards. Still wayyy more fun than Empries Wars.
😂
100 wynguard ranger vs 50 ootd hand cannoners 😮
@@ilgiallo0 ngl, if you 2x it, that could actually be my next video
If the players wanted fast paced, DM would dominate RM, and I say that as a player who actually was a DM player on MSN gaming zone, over 2 decades ago, almost never played RM
@@severusalexander8567 hu?
In my eyes there is only one option to get this change and its if all pro players refuse to participate (ML included). But thats just pipedream
Yeah do that and give a big F to Redbull/Microsoft, I'm sure they'll be up to create an other tournament
Or the players take their gains and put them to finance a new tournament without bullshit rules.
Also in Vietnam dollars are mich more valuable:D
"One true challenger to go against MarineLord" I really really hope I'm reading this wrong, but this sounds like ML is seeded straight into finals? So he's literally guaranteed second place and $10k even if he shows up and loses all games? Who tf seeds straight into grand finals?
yeah lmao, its Aoe2 organizers legit just sabotaging aoe4 so it fails and they get all the funding i feel like.
ML doesnt even need to practice, fly over lose, x-0. Take home 10k.
@@spcsandbag6517 Was thinking you were over exaggerating but looking at the rules and Socotra, lmao, you may be right. Beastyqt was wondering what would happen if RTS communities didn't get split by each new release right? Well maybe the AoE2 organizers are also wondering that and acting on it.
On reflection I think this may be a legacy of WOLO policy of always giving a free entry to last years winner to the main event which they do for all the games. They likely confirmed as much when he won WOLO last time. The difference is aoe 4 main event is literally just a 1 v 1 Final so doing so automatically qualify's him for this final. I honestly think this 1 v 1 Final was a mistake and it should have been at least 4 people or 8 people without empire wars and a larger prize pool but more opinions have zero weight.
I’m not an AOE 4 player but I do watch streams (beasty, demu, etc). I don’t understand why all these tournaments use crazy formats and rules. SC2 would never have done tournaments with all these random rules. Am I missing something? I want to see real strats that the best players in the world use, not custom game settings. Am I crazy?
For AoE2, the history that RedBull approached Nili for the tournament format, and he suggest Empire Wars because it is not as long and if you have a live production, you want to have somewhat predictable lengths. It seems like they just run with it in AoE4.
I 100% agree with you! I don't understand this "too long games" at all. Most of the games aren't much longer than the average sc2 games. Also with some good maps you can automaticly have less longer games. Also in sc2 we had some absurd long games back in the times with zergs. It is like it is, but not that big of a deal in aoe4. Also the last tournaments showed, that it isnt a big problem as well
@@sokarash I mean that's like putting on an SC2 tournament and using CO-OP commander as the format instead of 1v1 because its faster. I don't know if empire wars is a popular format in AoE2, but no one in the AoE4 scene wants to play Empire Wars and the fans don't want to watch it. Just weird.
i wonder why they don't go for an ffa at this point they will make it faster.
BC ffa is not skill based and not competitive, just random casual
Thats even anti-AOE4
It would have been better if there was no AOE4 at all
For an RTS on the upswing and one of the better watchable ones ever (plus the best FFA mode)
Its laughable Redbull decided this format. Its just crazy.
Kinda wish one of the Saudi princes fell in love with aoe 4
EGCTV > RedBull Wololo
100% give me the egctv tourney anytime
22:22 Something is f when reddit and i agree 😂😂😂
First taste of Red Bull this year tastes like COLD SICK.
On the bright side: you don’t need to get Vietnamese citizenship to participate lol
Rút
Time to dump the attachment to RBW and start aoe4's own scene
Outback Octagon II was the most entertaining tournament in AOE series I've ever seen..
I was thinking of buying a ticket and fly there from germany. I love castles, i love aoe4, i love the aoe4 pro's, i love the game and play it almost every day. I will not, after what i saw there. I am so disapointed ... Let's try to get MonsterEnergy to make a countertournament >.<
Damn fuck. I never hated aoe2 players and tournaments and the game, and never will, but it seems like, that they really want to bring this hate up. Also, if aoe2 ppl really organized the aoe4 tournament what they maybe really did (because no actual aoe4 connaisseur, would have done it like that ... ) why the fuck they don't get help and opinions about that than?
Really too bad ...
I mean they could have asked theviper if they didn't want to ask only aoe4 plaayers
@@ilgiallo0 at least that, yeah :D
Redbull are making this tournament, not the aoe2 scene...
From their perspective, aoe2 brings in the most viewership, so it gets priority. It is purely a business decision. It's not about hate or favouritism.
What do you expect from a tournament series that used to be AoE 2 only and was hosted as such for its first five editions?
22:05 "you know something is fucked when Reddit and I agree"
Drongo posted that they changed the format from Empire Wars to Standard! At least this is good change.
thats why i drink monster enrgy now
This reaction is hilarious! I'm glad you could make the most of the news.
Where can I see the future SteelSeries tournaments?, like dates and that fun stuff
I didn’t think it could get weirder after the “New Year, New Age” livestream
As relatively new player to AoE4 and RTSs in general, this whole thing really baffles me…
I grew up on FPS games. I moved from mostly Halo on console to CSGO on PC when I was a teenager. I had a ton of friends tell me they used to play AoE as a kid so I decided to try out “the new one” about a year ago and completely fell in love. It has its problems but it seems like a well built game now with a nice clean ascetic.
Why do so many people still play the old one? And who are these people? I’ve never been a big Reddit/forum guy but I know about a dozen people personally that hop on AoE4 for team games all the time, some play 1v1 too. I don’t know, nor have I ever met ANYONE who has played AoE2 in the last 10 years.
I’m not shitting on the game for being old, plenty of old games are good and I certainly don’t know enough to have an informed opinion, but it genuinely blows my mind how the game can stay supported with that much prize money for how seemingly played out, visually outdated, and hard to watch for new fans it is compared to AoE4.
Would love to hear thoughts from a LONG time fan of the franchise that knows a bit more.
AoE2 has been remastered and modernized. On top of that AoE2 has an established fanbase. AoE2 has stood the test of time and IMO is the better game.
Aoe2 is a classic, timeless game. Many play it for its competitive scene because it's so well ballanced since its had 20 years to be tweaked that way. but theres a huge chunk that play it for its numerous nostalgic campaigns. Something aoe4 lacks.
The viewership is much bigger than aoe4 second only to aoe1 which has a colossal following in vietnam.
Aoe2 has a rich history going back to 1999, and its community is the sole reason the scene around age of empires as a whole has lasted this long. You could say its the reason they decided to make aoe4.
They tried to push aoe4 hard on release and pumped a lot of money into tournaments, including the last redbull, which it had much more prize pool than 2. The viewership just wasn't there for 4 the way it is for 2. That's why it gets priority now.
oh slay the beast tourny sounds fun to watch assuming im not working when you stream it
Empire Wars on aoe2 is barely played; its ranked ladder is empty when there is no RedBull event upcoming. People dont mind watching it, but it is far from widely played.
If there are 10 Games played on EW in aoe4 in an hour, that might not be too far off from aoe2. Its maybe like 30-40 an hour for aoe2.
Well, I'm with you. It's like, sure, it's better than nothing... but then again, with the way it's going to reflect on the game, is it tho?
I think its worse than nothing
As many other people have said, it looks like a setup - so that they can cancel it for good next season due to poor viewership etc.
when I saw beasty's reaction to the unexpected crappy map of Socotra at 9:04 that cracked me up 😂.
Y'all did it! No more empire wars! Well done lads!
Saw that it was only 2 people for a championship style match. I had to double check. Came to a video looking it all up. I don't even follow this scene enough and have seen so many other tournaments for other games and this just seems odd. At least have like 8 people or something.
The prizepool is a huge decrease from last year!
I’ve never had a Red Bull and now I still will never have a red bull
It will work itself out I believe!
empire wars getting the love it deserves
A better answer.. It's a test to see if you guys would say no to participating. It just seems super deliberate they'd make the situation this bananas..
Great and valid criticism of the rules
I play AoE2 only, (I am casual player Elo 850+ Under 1000)
I had never played Empire Wars before in AoE2 and I found interesting and the the maps fun, and I was very excited to play it last week
I wish they invite you to cast or play on AoE4 or to design this better for the next one.
I think they will realize they put down their own creation of AoE4
What the player base and how to check on that data?
What are by the thousands of monthly players of each game.
This tournament is destruction 😮😮😮 we must rise up and revolt against this atrocity
Btw Red Bull changed their rules to normal mode instead of EW for aoe4 . So I guess they are open for feedback.
imagine getting so punished for your accomplishments thx papi microsoft
It is not Beasty anymore, but Salty 😆
Chat GPT made these tournament rules.
relic has to act now
If they add an ingame store like what dota does and add it to the prize pool, everything would be solved
Aoe2 brings in more viewership than aoe4. Prize pool split is purely representing that.
Sucks that marine lord gets an automatic invite to the finals and a guaranteed chunk of that prize pool without having to do a thing, while the rest of the community claws at each other to get a chance to go.
Please Red Bull, just give as a real AOE 4 tournament. And raise the prize pool.
Gold next to water LOL
wololo is always empire wars, why are you surprised
They literally made a tournament for an audience that doesn't exist.
no way i'm watching this event
So its an EGC tournament and winner gets to play a show match…. why are they like this 😂
can you give us an in depth reason why you think empire wars isn't that good? I don't care for the mode but whats wrong with trying it.
There has already been empire wars tournaments before, they sucked and nobody liked them, pros and viewers.
he made it really clear in the video ... !
Empire Wars? never heard of her.
pain
The worst thing about this is that it will be taking up resources from EGCTV, which mean probably there will be no normal good tournament to watch while this joke of an event is going on...
In AoE2 Empire Wars makes sense, as Dark Age is pretty boring, especially for a viewer. AoE4 does not have that problem, therefore the mode does not solve a problem (the same goes for AoE3, where Empires Wars is even more bonkers...):
It also says a lot if AoE4 despite the BEST SELLING DLC OF ALL TIME still gets a lot less prizemoney than AoE2.
AoE1 playing on the DLC that vietnamese players hate and excluding international players is also kinda stupid. I remember in Broodwar the challenges between Koreans and non-korean players was exciting - why not have it split 50/50 for vietnam/china and rest of the world? Some of the older AoE2 players like Tatoh are pretty good at AoE1RoR.
Price money is neat, but they are in no way obligated to announce write out prices you can win in the first place. It's all PR and stuff with how high your price money is and how much an event can "afford to give out". All prestige. Only to lure participants and viewers in. Through that lense I can see that Relic sees AOEII as the generally more popular game. I'm not really suprised, as the community was bigger the whole time. Now the steam player charts still indicate a light tilt towards AOEII but IV is only 5k players behind rn in 24h peak. So I'd say we AOEIV enjoyers get close to become relevant. But regarding the money I'd say take it or leave it. As long as it pays the travel expenses for the event it's fine in my opinion.
First thing I stumbled over was the "Only Vietnamese Community can qualify for AOE I", that was rather unexpected. Not that I care in particular as I never had the intention to participate, but its weird without context nevertheless.
You need to anounce the streamings through youtube more so all youtube gamers can tune in. Some of us are not very used to Twitch. I personally don't have the app installed but would tune in regardless.
Bo1 on Socotra and we’re out 😂
Bo one will see empries war🙈🙈
i think theyre trolling.. i just... they must be trollin
Grand final place for ML is the best AoeIV MarineLord's spot of all time :)
I didn't even know what "Empire Wars" is untill I watched this... This is just disgusting.
This is BAD............. like game killing bad. The top AOE tournament pushes it aside as a side gig... Well this is one way to kill your own game... push it aside like a red headed step child... They should be marketing and pushing it hard.. especially now with Xbox gamers and shit involved... typical microsoft dropping the ball.. everything they touch since the 360 days turns to shit. on the bright side modern blizzard is already shit so they cant make that any worse.
They tried pushing it hard for 2 years. Aoe4 tournaments have been given bigger prize pool's than any. Last redbull for instance.
It didn't work. Fact is aoe2 pulls in more viewers and has a larger following. It makes business sense to give the objectively bigger game the bigger priority.
Inviting marinelort directly to the final was a bad call though. Totally unfair to everyone else.
Empires wars on AOE4 kekw to the biggest meme. It's already on aoe2 but now it will be super bad on aoe4. I can't feel EW on aoe4, too weird.
WAIT ! AoE1 and not 3 ??
aoe1 has a hugh community
AoE1 has a huge community in vietnam, the top players haven < 1mio followers and streams with regularly more than 50k viewers - more than all other age games combinded. That is probably the reason they limit the tournament to vietnam. AoE3 is the game that suffered the most from AoE4 release, player base is close to non existing.
I am honestly shocked AOE 4 gets anything at all. Like ... why?
You all guys shouldn't attend in it unless they change this shit
Is Aoe2 viewership much higher than Aoe4 ?
It could all summed up with this point : Red Bull wants the biggest viewership with smallest investment
MarineLord just signed up a contract with a big esport team in France so there will be thousand of viewers for sure whatever the format
The team will hype it because they are new, created by big name of RUclips and twitch in France, and they want trophies
Yes, aoe2 is bigger in player numbers and viewership by a big margin. I like both games, but this is purely a business decision from redbull. Give the bigger game priority.
Pros should just boycott the whole event, you barely get any money from it anyway. If they don't respect you and treat you like an afterthought, walk away, let them humiliate themselves.
To be fair - Socotra is a fun and messy map on AoE 2 but with AoE 4's mechanics, it just doesn't work.
whats the difference on how its played in Aoe2 compared to Aoe4?
maybe, but still, in aoe4 nobody cares about that. it's so clear that there was no aoe4 organizer worked on that. I would like to see it in aoe2 and watch some aoe2 games of this tournament while mainly watch aoe4, like the last one and i had fun watching aoe2, even i don't play it. But i am so angry right now. Even i want to support the aoe4 players, i dont know if i can activly watch this cringe fest. I fell bad for the players :(
@@VittamarFasuthAkbin In AoE 2, you're locked on the island as it's surrounded by rocks. You have some hunt in the middle of the map, so it's basically a laming fest. I think there was a tournament hosted on it two years ago called "Masters of Socotra"
I hate EW game mode. But i will watch it, cause the players. Good to get a tournament with price pool.... but i think they all dont know our community and dont see, that it is growing. ... or... Maybe i dont see it...
Is AoE2 still that popular? I dont play it almost 20y.
Yes. In fact, it's still the most played (excluding AoE 1 as that's a Vietnam-only thing).
@@FloosWorld_AoE Hmm interesting... But didint make more sence to promo the new game, which should be more likely buyed by younger players?
@@tomashavrlant2494 That's what they did in 2022 when AoE 4 was still the new kid in town as it had a 300k price pool. Idk what exactly triggered AoE 4 to have less screentime this year though I guess it was because Red Bull Wololo was historically always an AoE 2 tournament for its first 5 editions as well as having the lowest viewer numbers.
In fact, we wouldn't be here at all with AoE 4 if AoE 2 didn't help reviving the franchise with HD Edition, its DLCs and Definitive Edition. :D It's just too popular to ever die out.
@@tomashavrlant2494 Already happened two years ago when AoE 4 got the larger price pool iwth 300k compared to AoE 2's 200k but I guess as AoE 4 had lower numbers, Red Bull reconsidered that for this year. Also, Red Bull was historically always an AoE 2 event before being joined by AoE 4 in 2022.
Im interested to see pros playing empire wars
Its a new experience
i dont know how aoe4 isnt getting any love
Doesn't pull in the numbers the way aoe2 does. Nothing more to it than that.
Thanks, everybody hates this
They're trolling you guys I swear.. Also.. or.. Maybe we're not seeing things from the perspective of a non-AOE player?
Huh??
Its funny, your Battle Royale fortnite example istn far off. They introduced a Battle Royale mode for aoe2 with an "S-Tier Event" in which you cant build a Town Center and move some random units around...
There even is a quickplay ladder for it with probably 0 - yes, zero - games played in all of 2023.
Quick Play for Battle Royale was removed last year. I think I had my last BR game some time in March 2021. :D
@@FloosWorld_AoE The fact that I didnt even notice its gone kind of doesnt really hurt my point I think :D
Publisher and marketing, sabotages AoE4 af.
I really don't understand, no one plays Empire Wars, no one likes it... WHY?!
well, to Red Bull and a significant part of the community, AOEIV is dead and AOEII is the future, that explains everything basically
I'm 5 minutes into this video and MAN, they are literally unscrewing the head and shit down the neck on this one. Of course it's never going to happen (because why would the community actually work together for something greater?) but my hope is that a lot of good players boycott the shit out of this and show their displeasure so there CAN be a CHANGE towards the attitude towards this game from sponsors. EGCTV should also, for the sake of the players and community, withdraw from participating in this bullshit.
To clarify what I mean by boycott: Ignore the damn thing. I also am against any type of harrasment towards developers, organizers, game companies etc.
If players boycott it, maybe. But if people just don't watch in protest and viewership it terrible, then they will just axe it all together next time they do another tournament, since they don't see a return on investment.
@@oll-turny-llo8200 Yeah I agree on that, have turned around a bit considering the recent turn of events with removing empire wars for example.
the aoe2 casters will probably complain about why noone is upgrading their archers to crossbows or shit like that
Beasty and ML should practice together, just to get the absolute best match to show off aoe4
So ML can throw the game and get free 10k?
AoE2 player that dislikes AoE4/players made the rules. I'd put money on it.
...and its meh
I'm not watching, especially because the 2nd place is already set in stone
bro i as a aoe4 player is feel insulted
When a washed-up Star Craft player figures out he can't get the easy bucks on AOE IV because it's not competitive
Beasty when you win (or whoever wins), needs to talk and show the discontent of you pro players and of the community as well. Not fair of the minuscule prize pool and because we eant to watch games that are played how the game is supposed to play, not in empire wars. Ridiculous for the newest entry in aoe.
Such a big dissappintment.
Just make the tournaments pay-per-view or subscriber only, and make them real
I’d pay $5-10 to watch the tournament
It makes no sense to invite ML.
ML fans have no investment in the qualification stages and its a new mode, ML has not proven himself.
There is a real risk, albeit small, that ML is not a top 4 or even top 8 player in this game mode, the finals could be a complete wash. The real finals could be between 2nd and 3rd
Is aoe2 really that much more popular? Rip lol. But empire wars? Who the fuck plays that
I mean, just look at the viewership of the last couple of S-Tiers. Trust me, even AoE 2 players hate EW but just play it because it's the trademark mode of Red Bull. 9 vill starts turned out to be more popular
Aoe2 is very popular, but most players in Aoe2 play single player, skirmish or custom single player games.
this is garbage.....would have loved to hear from ML himself how he thinks about it
I will Not Watch any aoe e sports content from their official Channels Till this shit gets fixed. Wtf were they thinking still giving aoe2 so much content if they would have a Brain they should make a Slow transition into aoe4 and let aoe2 die slowly. Otherwise they could just Focus on aoe2 and Never released new a Game after aoe3. That makes 0 Sense to me
AoE 2 won't go anywhere, it's too popular to die. Should DE die, people can still play the old version on Voobly and there are already mods that bring in DE's civs, features and balance.
I also highly doubt Microsoft will do a Rockstar-like move and remove all games prior to AoE 4.
I'm kinda certain the decision to minimize AoE 4's screentime for this year's wololo came due to the figures from 2022 where AoE 4 pulled off the lowest numbers which could also explain why AoE 1 is featured again as it had the highest numbers just with its final.
Aoe2 is by far the more popular game (excluding aoe1 but that's a purely vietnam thing).
They tried to pump money into aoe4 to push it the lastb2 years but it just doesnt get the players or viewers aoe2 gets.
The aoe4 casters suck, i would rather have aoe2 casters
You know how to get interest in aoe4 after our BEST SELLING AOE EXPANSION/DLC ? worst game mode for 2 ppl... RedBull is a joke. We cant rely on RB to host any good tournaments for AoE4 anymore :// EGCTV, Rising Empires, SteelSeries, Whamens League, Energy Slapfest.... and More.... :// AoE2 doomers made this shit, to prioritize aoe2. congrats, u dumpstered the aoe4 tourney scene. How to Kill A Game.......
Chill dude. They already changed the game Mode and for Red Bull the viewer numbers are more important and they are much better for aoe2 than for aoe4.
@@AA-gr7eu my response was before they changed it. Or at least before I had seen that they changed it. So no, I will not chill
Well, Red Bull Wololo started as an AoE 2 only series and was exclusively hosted as such for its first five editions before being joined by AoE 4 back in 2022.
I have instantly sold my microsoft shares.
Wow, this Socrata map is really shocking. How can they do this? It's unbelievable! We should better wait for the game of uncapped games.