I was definitely a bit confused by One-One's statement about The Tape Car. I immediately looked for some environmental on the outside of the car similar to the many train cars we've seen so far. There isn't something you can specifically see in close proximity to the car that fits that bill though. Which leads me to agree with the conclusion that the wasteland around the train is the outer environment of The Tape Car. A solution I'm not sure how much I like, but the only thing that makes sense.
Personally I am led to believe the wasteland is a projection of the tape car, despite how disappointing it is imo. I think that the tape cars boundaries only affect denizens as they can easily be controlled, but if a passenger wandered too far they’d clip through the map like a floating point error.
Zola here hi hello lol I agree that it's a possibility, but I'm not totally sold yet. I'm also not against the idea so long as they can make it work and Owen hasn't disappointed me so far! I agree totally with that last part. I think the force is specific to denizens because the train has more of a control over them.
Given the "normal" world seems roughly on par with modern technology, and the train seems at least a few centuries more advanced, I am more inclined to think either the train/wasteland exists sometime well into the distant future, or is possibly from another universe. It can be noted that, assuming people enter/leave via some sort of wormhole (vs via some other means), by the time this is possible there is no longer any real constraint on either time or space. Granted, the people shown thus far seem to be from the same historical context relative to each other (vs, say, the train grabbing people from different eras), so it is unclear... (Maybe it primarily works forwards in time to limit paradoxes?)
I like what was hinted at the end. I think it's entirely possible that outside the Wasteland...is just it, the answer in whatever form that may be. I know that sounds obvious, but what I mean is, if the Wasteland is in and of itself a pocket universe (a train car) outside it may be the creator/true universe that the train resides in. I also like to prescribe to the theory that the train itself is part hologram but also part reality. What I mean is, and I would love more information so I could explain myself better (give me those train documentaries part 2 ;-;) is that they live in a sort of simulation/altered reality, that way the denizens are real enough and have an impact on the outside world (Atticus, Terrence, MT, The Fleck, etc.) but the environments in which they live in aren't really...real. Just a reflection of numbers and codes on a surrounding. It could be the idea that at any one point in time, if a train car is not observed or resided in, it is not loaded. Just like how the whole world of a video games exists, but specific details and parts only load in once you get closer to it. Its confusing, I'm aware but I love Infinity Train for its endless possibilities and its messages, the lore is just a nice add-on. Can't wait to see more from the Zola and Infinity Train when it comes back!
Personally, I like to believe that the train has no creator, but is kind of like a circle. It has no beginning or end, it just sort of is. Almost like a weird paradox. It exists because it exists.
I'm against this idea because of the idea of a conductor with free will controlling it makes less sense in that context unless you are talking about time travel in that case could be
I think the creatures are more than just projections. I think they are actually matter, not light, objects and living beings created by the car. Since Lake was able to go into the real world. A theory could've been that the train has a range with the wasteland, but I think that the wasteland is a planet made by the train, maybe the train is literally making actual dimensions. Physical, carbon-based dimensions.
This is Zola hi No I actually agree with you and maybe didn't explain that part as well as I could have. There's clearly something artificial about the denizens given that corgis are made from corgi orbs, but I dont think they are projections from the train. I think the train is real since we see a car in mid construction on book 1, but the universes inside are pocket dimensions. I think the Wasteland is a projected dimension from the train, but not that the denizens are projections. The train I think simply has more control and force over the denizens because it is where they originate from.
@@KalinTheZola Yeah, that'd make sense. The train has a lot of control over passengers as well, it took Tulip's shadow. I wonder what else it could do. Maybe it teleports itself back and forth from the normal world to the wasteland, too. I don't know if they're artificial, with Lake and the cat. I think that the conductor may not be treating the denizens with enough regard. They seem to be quite opinionated and have free will. Though, that half made car kinda debunks that theory. The Corgi king was hit by a corgi orb, not a specific orb with his personality coded onto it, so maybe the characters manifest themselves according to their own tastes.
@@christiannataylor2735 Well keep in mind that when I use terms like artificial, artificial intelligence is still intelligence in my book, at least when there seems to be a level of cognizance. Or maybe I'm just the outlier who views it on par with normal humanity in the first place lol
The orbs are so similar to the idea of classes in Object Oriented Programming. A class is basically the blueprint with which you can make an object, its basically the idea behind the thing, given form, so that then, things can be made from it.
I 100% believe tulip is the creator of the train. I think she accessed a pocket dimension (like the train cars) that time doesn't work the same way. She starts off going to coding camp, and maybe she'll be able to make technology like this in the future.
I thought the reason why the denezins couldn't leave was because they were projections/holograms themselves. That's also why I thought the laser clipped right through Lake's hand. She was never made of chromium or ever truly someone's reflection. I think they used Tulips memories to create false memories for an AI. The reason why she's considered "a reflection" is so that the narrative is more digestible to the passenger. Mace said something about there being a new reflection with each passenger in the car, so... does he mean a new one spawns every time someone goes through? It's like an NPC created by a video game. The character is only created to serve a purpose for a player. After a passenger has solved the puzzle, the reflection no longer has a purpose and so it's deleted, recycled etc. Every denizen would be nothing more than a jumble of code that manifests as a physical hologram. That explains how Atticus could be transformed into one of those roach creatures. Because data can be corrupted, distorted etc. And it also explains why Mace said the things he said. Because what he said really REALLY sounds like what I explained. Thats why that season was so existentially horrifying. I couldnt see any possible way of Lake ever escaping because she simply can't exist without the train. BUT THEN THE SHOW UP AND PROVED ME WRONG
You know what's fun? The train then has the power to literally create life. Not only life, but intelligent, complex life. Given that our first passenger, Tulip, is a gamer I think the wasteland serves the same purpose as background art. Like the backgrounds of Overwatch maps, they don't actually exist but are simply a fassade to distract from the fact that there is actually nothing. It might just as well be possible that the train doesn't actually move, it just drives along the same tracks over and over again, each time it hits the end it just spawns at the beginning, creating the illusion of infinity.
I think it would be cool if we got new characters who had heard legends of the train, I mean thousands of people get on the train, there's no way people haven't spilled the beans I mean the government would probably take notice if thousands of people went missing and claimed they went to an alternate dimension
Knowing people (and being one) they’d be declared a nutcase and most would know that they wouldn’t be believed so they kept it to themselves or lied. As for the possibility of most of them telling, I’d say the government is just stupid in their world
@@poptartcat1116 i mean, how can you create a lie about how you went missing for months/years, it’s practically impossible for someone to be gone that long with no evidence of them being there and if enough people spilled the beans, the government would have to take notice... what are crazy people all gonna come up with the same story? I just think it would be a unique idea to have government operatives infiltrate the train.
@@spector1892 They could say they got lost, idk, I get where your going though. If they even faked they were lost, why would their clothes be in good/perfect condition? How do they look alright, how are they acting different (well, that can be concluded as something else but that’s besides the point) and yeah, it’d be cool to see the government interfere somehow (kinda reminds me of Gravity falls)
Strange, I always assumed that when Atticus was turned into one of the monsters, it was just reprogramming him and in fact all the creatures on the train are just those monsters that have just been harvested from the wasteland and mutated to look like other living beings, however if the outside of the train IS a projection, the monsters themselves being a creation makes sense as well
I think you're confusing correlation with proof. Just because the spheres can make the soul sucking roaches, doesn't mean the train/creator of the train invented the roaches. The train didn't invent rubbish bins nor corgis, but it can replicate them. Also, 33 years is just how long it's been since Amelia, you know the fake Conductor, took over and exiled One-One to that location.. The train clearly existed before then. Additionally, i don't recall Amelia using any sound to control things while in the train. Seems like she just did some good old fashioned hacking.
I still think it's pretty substantial evidence, though it's not a smoking gun. I would call it more than correlation however given that we have proof that the creator made the roaches. I didn't mean that the train itself is just inventing them but rather the orbs were made by the creator. "near undeniable evidence" might have been a stretch on my end however I disagree that it's merely correlation and not proof. As for the latter, yes I know. That's why I said that I would argue the train is much older and not merely 33 years. That's the earliest actual date we get for the train in universe, which is why I brought it up as a sort of springboard to say it can be created no later than the mid 1980s but that it probably goes back much further. I can understand the confusion with this and maybe I didn't explain myself well enough, but I'm not saying that the train was made during that time. She did use the same method to control the Steward. If you remember the Ball Pit Car (I used the clip in the video itself actually) You'll see the scene where she makes the same tone that One-One uses to control the Steward and make it shoot the ball pit down. That's phreaking which is why it was brought up in The Past Car in the first place.
@@KalinTheZola there is zero proof that the creator of the train also created the roaches. Merely evidence that they can be replicated using the sphere (just like anything else can and is on the train) and it's likely the creator of the train also made the transforming guns. Again, remember Tulip's wise words "correlation doesn't equal causation" just because the soul sucking roaches exist outside the train doesn't necessarily mean the train creator also created them. Just because there are corgis in the train doesn't mean they were first created there and thus spread into our world from the train, just that they can be replicated. The train can replicate anything, which is why Amelia was trying to hard to find a sphere for humans and others which could help her replicate her old life. For all we know, the soul sucking roaches could have found their way on to the train and then eventually off and just never ended up leaving the wastes and the train creator just so happened to see them and decided to create something to replicate them. There really is no proof one way or the other. Also, think you mean 33 years back is the latest it could have existed. Considering going further back in time goes to an earlier date.
Tbh your points are valid. I don't think it is merely correlation and is still evidence (though does not prove anything) so I regret my choice in words of "undeniable". For the last part obviously you knew what I meant lol
That's my lava lamp actually lol No, no but I got that lava lamp because it reminded me of the character. She isn't in my comic, but she is based off two sister characters in my comic that have ink bodies and that's what I based it off of.
Well it could be made by humans ludicrously far into the future, let's not forget that the train doesn't exist in linear time, as is shown with tulip not having left for any time, even though she was on the train for five months
Oh okay So. A) phraking is redundant. The bell tone opetatikns ran fron the 60s to th e 80s in America but were inplimented in the 50s in europe and in places like aus or some part o africa were used into the 90s. Also more to the point 1/1s 30 yr remark was how long since h e'd was forced out of admin. So 70s to 00s would be thirty years. But the train was a legend even in emilias timd or she would not have been able to hijack it. My guess is it was made in the future as a way of encouraging important people to keep trying to live
Hi Zola here! Except for the very end of your statement, that's actually the point I was making. The 33 year mark is the earliest date we have to off of in the series which means it's technically the earliest known date for the conception of the train. However, because phreaking has been a technique dating back from as early and the 50s then that would be the next earliest. If we assume that because the creator has more advanced tech than we do in the real world, then it's also possible that the conception could go back as early as the invention of radio waves. Granted theres also robotics and technological boons that happened closer to the 1950s range so I generall think that's where the conception of the train sits. I hesitate to bring any timey whimey stuff into the mix because we havent really seen any evidence of time warping technology. Only space.
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Is it possible that the creator of the train will appear in Book 3 or in whatever number the final ends up being?
I mean whatever number the final book ends up being.
I was definitely a bit confused by One-One's statement about The Tape Car. I immediately looked for some environmental on the outside of the car similar to the many train cars we've seen so far. There isn't something you can specifically see in close proximity to the car that fits that bill though. Which leads me to agree with the conclusion that the wasteland around the train is the outer environment of The Tape Car. A solution I'm not sure how much I like, but the only thing that makes sense.
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Personally I am led to believe the wasteland is a projection of the tape car, despite how disappointing it is imo.
I think that the tape cars boundaries only affect denizens as they can easily be controlled, but if a passenger wandered too far they’d clip through the map like a floating point error.
Zola here hi hello lol
I agree that it's a possibility, but I'm not totally sold yet. I'm also not against the idea so long as they can make it work and Owen hasn't disappointed me so far!
I agree totally with that last part. I think the force is specific to denizens because the train has more of a control over them.
Actually bugging through the world and endlessly fall below the map is one of the most terrifying deaths I can imagine.
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Given the "normal" world seems roughly on par with modern technology, and the train seems at least a few centuries more advanced, I am more inclined to think either the train/wasteland exists sometime well into the distant future, or is possibly from another universe. It can be noted that, assuming people enter/leave via some sort of wormhole (vs via some other means), by the time this is possible there is no longer any real constraint on either time or space. Granted, the people shown thus far seem to be from the same historical context relative to each other (vs, say, the train grabbing people from different eras), so it is unclear... (Maybe it primarily works forwards in time to limit paradoxes?)
Or maybe aliens made it on Mars
PLOT TWIST: The train is a tape and the wasteland is the cover that hold sit together
This was perfect keep up with the theories Zola🔥
Well it could be true. Here is a little piece I found. Book two there was no wind and no dust moving that points to something
I like what was hinted at the end. I think it's entirely possible that outside the Wasteland...is just it, the answer in whatever form that may be. I know that sounds obvious, but what I mean is, if the Wasteland is in and of itself a pocket universe (a train car) outside it may be the creator/true universe that the train resides in. I also like to prescribe to the theory that the train itself is part hologram but also part reality. What I mean is, and I would love more information so I could explain myself better (give me those train documentaries part 2 ;-;) is that they live in a sort of simulation/altered reality, that way the denizens are real enough and have an impact on the outside world (Atticus, Terrence, MT, The Fleck, etc.) but the environments in which they live in aren't really...real. Just a reflection of numbers and codes on a surrounding. It could be the idea that at any one point in time, if a train car is not observed or resided in, it is not loaded. Just like how the whole world of a video games exists, but specific details and parts only load in once you get closer to it. Its confusing, I'm aware but I love Infinity Train for its endless possibilities and its messages, the lore is just a nice add-on. Can't wait to see more from the Zola and Infinity Train when it comes back!
I really like this theory,it makes a lot of sense.😎
Personally, I like to believe that the train has no creator, but is kind of like a circle. It has no beginning or end, it just sort of is. Almost like a weird paradox. It exists because it exists.
I'm against this idea because of the idea of a conductor with free will controlling it makes less sense in that context unless you are talking about time travel in that case could be
I think the creatures are more than just projections. I think they are actually matter, not light, objects and living beings created by the car. Since Lake was able to go into the real world. A theory could've been that the train has a range with the wasteland, but I think that the wasteland is a planet made by the train, maybe the train is literally making actual dimensions. Physical, carbon-based dimensions.
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No I actually agree with you and maybe didn't explain that part as well as I could have. There's clearly something artificial about the denizens given that corgis are made from corgi orbs, but I dont think they are projections from the train. I think the train is real since we see a car in mid construction on book 1, but the universes inside are pocket dimensions. I think the Wasteland is a projected dimension from the train, but not that the denizens are projections. The train I think simply has more control and force over the denizens because it is where they originate from.
@@KalinTheZola Yeah, that'd make sense. The train has a lot of control over passengers as well, it took Tulip's shadow. I wonder what else it could do. Maybe it teleports itself back and forth from the normal world to the wasteland, too. I don't know if they're artificial, with Lake and the cat. I think that the conductor may not be treating the denizens with enough regard. They seem to be quite opinionated and have free will. Though, that half made car kinda debunks that theory. The Corgi king was hit by a corgi orb, not a specific orb with his personality coded onto it, so maybe the characters manifest themselves according to their own tastes.
@@christiannataylor2735 Well keep in mind that when I use terms like artificial, artificial intelligence is still intelligence in my book, at least when there seems to be a level of cognizance. Or maybe I'm just the outlier who views it on par with normal humanity in the first place lol
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The orbs are so similar to the idea of classes in Object Oriented Programming.
A class is basically the blueprint with which you can make an object,
its basically the idea behind the thing, given form, so that then, things can be made from it.
I 100% believe tulip is the creator of the train. I think she accessed a pocket dimension (like the train cars) that time doesn't work the same way. She starts off going to coding camp, and maybe she'll be able to make technology like this in the future.
Good job - you did really well for the first time on the channel!
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I thought the reason why the denezins couldn't leave was because they were projections/holograms themselves. That's also why I thought the laser clipped right through Lake's hand. She was never made of chromium or ever truly someone's reflection. I think they used Tulips memories to create false memories for an AI. The reason why she's considered "a reflection" is so that the narrative is more digestible to the passenger. Mace said something about there being a new reflection with each passenger in the car, so... does he mean a new one spawns every time someone goes through? It's like an NPC created by a video game. The character is only created to serve a purpose for a player. After a passenger has solved the puzzle, the reflection no longer has a purpose and so it's deleted, recycled etc. Every denizen would be nothing more than a jumble of code that manifests as a physical hologram. That explains how Atticus could be transformed into one of those roach creatures. Because data can be corrupted, distorted etc. And it also explains why Mace said the things he said. Because what he said really REALLY sounds like what I explained.
Thats why that season was so existentially horrifying. I couldnt see any possible way of Lake ever escaping because she simply can't exist without the train.
BUT THEN THE SHOW UP AND PROVED ME WRONG
You know what's fun? The train then has the power to literally create life. Not only life, but intelligent, complex life. Given that our first passenger, Tulip, is a gamer I think the wasteland serves the same purpose as background art. Like the backgrounds of Overwatch maps, they don't actually exist but are simply a fassade to distract from the fact that there is actually nothing. It might just as well be possible that the train doesn't actually move, it just drives along the same tracks over and over again, each time it hits the end it just spawns at the beginning, creating the illusion of infinity.
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if i was a passenger on the train. I'd be trying to INVESTIGATE who made made it.
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Welcome to the channel! Great video!!
I think it would be cool if we got new characters who had heard legends of the train, I mean thousands of people get on the train, there's no way people haven't spilled the beans I mean the government would probably take notice if thousands of people went missing and claimed they went to an alternate dimension
Knowing people (and being one) they’d be declared a nutcase and most would know that they wouldn’t be believed so they kept it to themselves or lied. As for the possibility of most of them telling, I’d say the government is just stupid in their world
@@poptartcat1116 i mean, how can you create a lie about how you went missing for months/years, it’s practically impossible for someone to be gone that long with no evidence of them being there and if enough people spilled the beans, the government would have to take notice... what are crazy people all gonna come up with the same story? I just think it would be a unique idea to have government operatives infiltrate the train.
@@spector1892 They could say they got lost, idk, I get where your going though. If they even faked they were lost, why would their clothes be in good/perfect condition? How do they look alright, how are they acting different (well, that can be concluded as something else but that’s besides the point) and yeah, it’d be cool to see the government interfere somehow (kinda reminds me of Gravity falls)
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I know plenty of hollywood people who could use a ride on the train.
Strange, I always assumed that when Atticus was turned into one of the monsters, it was just reprogramming him and in fact all the creatures on the train are just those monsters that have just been harvested from the wasteland and mutated to look like other living beings, however if the outside of the train IS a projection, the monsters themselves being a creation makes sense as well
That's an interesting theory!
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I think you're confusing correlation with proof. Just because the spheres can make the soul sucking roaches, doesn't mean the train/creator of the train invented the roaches. The train didn't invent rubbish bins nor corgis, but it can replicate them.
Also, 33 years is just how long it's been since Amelia, you know the fake Conductor, took over and exiled One-One to that location.. The train clearly existed before then. Additionally, i don't recall Amelia using any sound to control things while in the train. Seems like she just did some good old fashioned hacking.
I still think it's pretty substantial evidence, though it's not a smoking gun. I would call it more than correlation however given that we have proof that the creator made the roaches. I didn't mean that the train itself is just inventing them but rather the orbs were made by the creator. "near undeniable evidence" might have been a stretch on my end however I disagree that it's merely correlation and not proof.
As for the latter, yes I know. That's why I said that I would argue the train is much older and not merely 33 years. That's the earliest actual date we get for the train in universe, which is why I brought it up as a sort of springboard to say it can be created no later than the mid 1980s but that it probably goes back much further. I can understand the confusion with this and maybe I didn't explain myself well enough, but I'm not saying that the train was made during that time.
She did use the same method to control the Steward. If you remember the Ball Pit Car (I used the clip in the video itself actually) You'll see the scene where she makes the same tone that One-One uses to control the Steward and make it shoot the ball pit down. That's phreaking which is why it was brought up in The Past Car in the first place.
@@KalinTheZola there is zero proof that the creator of the train also created the roaches. Merely evidence that they can be replicated using the sphere (just like anything else can and is on the train) and it's likely the creator of the train also made the transforming guns. Again, remember Tulip's wise words "correlation doesn't equal causation" just because the soul sucking roaches exist outside the train doesn't necessarily mean the train creator also created them. Just because there are corgis in the train doesn't mean they were first created there and thus spread into our world from the train, just that they can be replicated. The train can replicate anything, which is why Amelia was trying to hard to find a sphere for humans and others which could help her replicate her old life. For all we know, the soul sucking roaches could have found their way on to the train and then eventually off and just never ended up leaving the wastes and the train creator just so happened to see them and decided to create something to replicate them. There really is no proof one way or the other.
Also, think you mean 33 years back is the latest it could have existed. Considering going further back in time goes to an earlier date.
Tbh your points are valid. I don't think it is merely correlation and is still evidence (though does not prove anything) so I regret my choice in words of "undeniable".
For the last part obviously you knew what I meant lol
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I always wonder where the train came from 🤔✌️😎👍
I bet the Infiniti train is made by an organisation or maybe a government
Every time I hear the word freaking I think of the movie hackers. Lol hack the planet
Well it could be made by humans ludicrously far into the future, let's not forget that the train doesn't exist in linear time, as is shown with tulip not having left for any time, even though she was on the train for five months
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Oh okay So. A) phraking is redundant. The bell tone opetatikns ran fron the 60s to th e 80s in America but were inplimented in the 50s in europe and in places like aus or some part o africa were used into the 90s. Also more to the point 1/1s 30 yr remark was how long since h e'd was forced out of admin. So 70s to 00s would be thirty years. But the train was a legend even in emilias timd or she would not have been able to hijack it. My guess is it was made in the future as a way of encouraging important people to keep trying to live
Hi Zola here! Except for the very end of your statement, that's actually the point I was making. The 33 year mark is the earliest date we have to off of in the series which means it's technically the earliest known date for the conception of the train. However, because phreaking has been a technique dating back from as early and the 50s then that would be the next earliest. If we assume that because the creator has more advanced tech than we do in the real world, then it's also possible that the conception could go back as early as the invention of radio waves. Granted theres also robotics and technological boons that happened closer to the 1950s range so I generall think that's where the conception of the train sits.
I hesitate to bring any timey whimey stuff into the mix because we havent really seen any evidence of time warping technology. Only space.
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