Clapham South and the Windrush Connection (Tales From The Tube Episode 1)
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- Опубликовано: 7 окт 2024
- What’s the link between Clapham, Chessington and the Caribbean? And what does all this have to do with those ugly buildings on Clapham Common?
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And this was the beginning of a legendary series
Wow. That's one bit of my ancestors history I would never have known if not for you. Thanks Jago!
And mine too
And mine too
Good video and I didn’t know the connection. My Grandad is from the windrush generation and when he came over from Barbados he was promised the dream job of being a train driver. When he arrived he realised that he had been lied to, instead him and fellow immigrants being left to shovel horse poo as well as being treated extremely poorly. Just wanted to point this out as although the rail industry did give the windrush generation work as they came to the UK, it wasn’t as friendly and generous as you make it seem in your video
"Tales from the Tube" is very well done Jago Hazzard, I'm just getting started on them all!
Many thanks! Hope you enjoy them!
"There's that picture of Hitler again. I don't know how it got there!" Wicked!
I don't recognice that other gentleman...is that Max Mosley's dad?
@@vaclav_fejt Enoch Powell. The original Nigel Farage. Racist Conservative MP (then Labour supporter, then DUP MP). Very popular with the british electorate.
@@alistairmcleod7273 Fool !!
Thank you for the massive amount of time you take to post these fascinating videos. As a Londoner myself I had never even considered the reason for the connection between Brixton and the Afro-Caribbean community but this puts it all into perfect context.
I've just discovered your channel tonight and have been enjoying it greatly, i'm on around my 5-7th video in a row! thank you for all your time and effort, many regards B.
Thanks! Glad you’re enjoying it!
@@JagoHazzard Are the tunnels still there or did they eventually put trains in?
Like your style short and to the piont.
@@thedave7760 No,no.They didn't put trains in them as the train tunnels were already there.
I believe they are now used for storage. Incidentally my Father was billeted in one of these tunnels during WW2.
@@simonwinter8839 some of the tunnels are now used to grow salad which is sold locally (Brixton M&S):
'These salads are grown in old air raid shelters and 1940's tunnels, 33 meters below ground level in Clapham Common, London'
@@JulesRosser The produce doesn't travel well then !!
Still no carbon footprint.
Fascinating I didn't know about that.
Backtracking to see your earlier posts, Jago: quite fascinating, Sir! And wonderful editing, particularly the graphics.
I daresay the British Nationality Act was rescinded or I would have been treated more respectfully on my visits to Blighty in 1972 & 1992... I remember the uproar when Idi Amin was kicking British Subjects out of Uganda in '72. Seemed no-one in Britain wanted the consequences of Colonisation back on their doorstep...
Goodge Street was used as an accomodation centre and pay point for the Navy for a while in the 1950's. My father racalled travelling down from Rosyth on leave and going to and underground centre near Tottemham Court Road to receive his pay. He had no idea what the place was at the time.
.....and the Army, too, as a friend of mine can testify.
Absolutely brilliant. Thank you so, so much
Having discovered your videos about a fortnight ago, I must thank you for providing such fascinating content. Even as somebody who isn't a Londoner, with only the barest knowledge of the geography of the place, I love your output. The visuals are great; your voice work is wonderful to listen to; the humour his me in the right places. They're keeping me going through a coronavirus induced quarantine. This "where it all began" tale is interesting both for the history of the channel and the much broader social and cultural history of London that it provides. Thanks, Jago.
Informative, sharp, and to the point. Thanks for this bit of history.
We didn't learn this stuff in school, it's actually shameful! Thanks for bitesizing this piece of history
Visited London from the states in 2019. I toured the hydroponic farm in the Clapham Commons section. Very cool. The lift was broken. But still worth it.
It’s funny, I didn’t know about that farm until a friend told me about it yesterday, and now you mention it today. (X-Files theme plays)
Jago: Hello there! Star wars fans: General Kenobi 🤣
My childhood home was directly opposite that shelter by clapham north, I always stared and wondered what it was for. Thanks to you I now know ! :)
after watching so many of these already, time to go to the start of them. Really great.
I'm amazed this was the subject you started your series with. Right from the start, you chose lesser known stories and handled them with aplomb.
the start of a great series
Thoroughly enjoying going through these videos; have been watching your sub count rise all day. Well deserved! Your editing/humour is spot on too!
As a noob here i've been watching Tales from the Tube hit and miss as the AlGoreRythm fed them to me. This first one is so very, very good i must now go back and watch them all in order! !:-) 😽🖖
Finally I'm back here.
It's funny how this idea has kind of been brought back as the Crossrail 2 plan. I wonder if any of the deep level shelters will be reactivated, as Crossrail 2 construction shafts, when the time comes.
Wow, that’s me all caught up now! I’m impressed by how “on formula” you were right from the very start. You clearly put a decent amount of planning into this series. The earlier episodes are noticeably briefer and sometimes lighter on detail, but that’s perfectly fine. I liked seeing the episodes which were essentially prototypes for later, more in-depth releases. Well done sir!
Starting your (non beer or toy) videos from the beginning after watching a few over the past few days. Happy to be yet another subscriber!
Enjoyed the historical background with this episode.
I would like to compliment you on your video content, not only are they enjoyable but engaging and informative too. Thank you for a great channel.
I learned something new today!
A trip back to the beginning Jago!
Absolutely brilliant video, perhaps one of the best ones!!!
Thanks!
Fascinating stuff - what an excellent start to your fantastic series! I look forward to catching up with them all.
Just found your channel and subscribed. Thank you for the beer reviews!
Fascinating stuff! Thank you
6:10 "Afro-Caribbean community so central to Brixton's identity" - cue shot of largely white arrivistes in one of the dolled-up market malls. All part of the gentrification process that is now driving Brixton's community (of all colours, but especially the artists and musicians) out of the area. May have been 'affordable' in the 1950's, but soon you'd need to be an oligarch to live there.
I finally seen Jago, well his feet anyway.
😊
Great video
Your Moorgate episode came up in my feed. I remember that on the news. Very interesting, great narrative and no awful background music. Now looking forward to watching the Tales from the beginning. Subscribed!
Thanks!
Well done
Been watching and enjoying your vids for a while now. Enjoying the understated humour combined with some real history. Have to say this one is a blinder. Thanks!
You’re very welcome!
Similar thing happened in the history of my city. During WWI and immediately after, there was a labor shortage, particular of workers at the nearby railroad, with both a major yard and shops complex. Mexicans were brought in as track workers and other unskilled laborers, initially housed in converted boxcars down at the railroad yard. They were the start of my city's Hispanic population.
After watching this series during Lockdown, I think I might go on Holiday to London once restrictions are lifted.
Well this was a pleasant surprise to stumble upon. Back in my comparative youth I worked in the shelters at Belsize Park and Goodge Street. It was odd seeing the pedestrian tunnels between parts of complex visible from the live Underground tunnels "next door" and visa versa. We may have had fun making ghostly noises down ventilation shafts too.
Hi Jago, could you please tell me where you obtained the picture of the 3 nurses in this video, as one of them appears to be my mother. Many thanks, and great video as always.
I actually think that's fucking shocking, packing human beings into a tunnel.
I will be visiting Brixton very soon. Thanks again Jago
Came here from Plainly Difficult. Interesting videos, just subbed.
Thanks!
Fantastic video. Thanks for the series!
Time to binge the archive!
I've been quite lucky over the last 27yrs, I've had the pleasure of working in every bunker except Clapham South, I'm currently working in the Stockwell bunker.
Thanks for another cracking vid
Concise and to the point well done
Thanks!
This is one of those "how did I not know this?" jobs. How can something so central to modern British history be so relatively obscure? It's almost as if the narrative agenda is set by "friends of Enoch"........
Thank you, I've marked Brixton as a place to visit next time I'm in London (post-COVID...)
Great! I love it! Especially the ending!
Excellent!
Very good Jago. Really liking your work!!
"Funny how this things go, isn't it...", awesome. ;-))
Just for the record, I'm enjoying watchiching your subscriber count 'Rocket' like Stephenson's locomotive almost as much as I'm enjoying the videos.
Thanks! It’s really taken me by surprise!
According to Lenny Henry's character, Delbert Wilkins, Brixton used to be in West London but the neighbours complained. But I digress.
As for Enoch Powell, as Minister of Health (not sure if that was the correct title) he was responsible for placing advertisements in West Indian newspapers for people to work in the NHS. Obviously, when the labour shortage ended, he wanted to send them all back. I'm sure that if he could have found a similar solution to the "problem" of unwanted, excess white workers, he would have done that also. I also read somewhere once (though I can't find it on line) that he said that there was not a housing problem in this country, in that there were enough homes for the money available to buy them. People being homeless was not the measure.
Racism is not only used to divide people, but it is also used as a smokescreen to obfuscate some of the more evil thoughts of politicians. To this day, when I hear people praise "good old Enoch", I have to tell them that he'd have happily f****d you over as well.
Fabulous again, thank you
'London's Secret Tubes' has a map that states the express line would connect to the main line between Balham and Clapham South.
Fascinating, thank you 🙂
You mentioned Belsize Park. For the last two years I’ve been using this station for my regular commute to work. I turn right out the station, walk past a parade of shops and see on my right, up an alleyway, a graffitied white building. This is one of the entrances to the deep level shelter. It has an operating lift (information courtesy of another RUclipsr). Can anyone in the know, let me know if I’m right in assuming that this is lift 1? It would explain why the three lifts at the station are numbered 2, 3 and 4.
eyy. i think i have struck content gold. it's like ashens, but outside.
That's a really good video there
OMG THE FIRST VIDEO
Apart from the beer reviews. 😊
That was really really good
Thank you 😊
Hitler was a big Southern Rail fan, clearly.
'Lolly'?
Surely you meant WONGAAAAAAA!
fascinating story
My local station omg 😂🤣
There are mercury arc rectifiers still sat in some of the shelters
A SWELL DAY? Jago, that's very American old bean! Desist at once!
I’m a cosmopolitan soul.
Kato your a crackup with your sense of humour.
Did you notice the tube air raid shelter that there was no middle and outside conductor rails???
I had no idea about Brixtons afro carabean origins and it had never crossed my mind. London has gained so much due to the diversity the people who live here.
Very interesting!
Certainly could call the Stockwell one pretty, I helped paint that!
Cool! It crops up again in a couple of my upcoming videos, including the one I have coming this Friday!
Kind friend you do a brilliant job. My old friend was from Pitsea. He claimed he had Pearly King and Queen ancestry. Have a virtual lockdown pint for me. (pron: pitt-see btw). Lavvadak.
You are more than welcome brave Sir Knight. Have some pie and mash for me and roll a big one. Ooh err misses, strike a light etc. I recommend Mark Lizotte (aka Johnny Diesel) cover of Joni Mitchell's The Circle Game. Americana album. Great to make friends.
Just discovered, if true ,that Clapham South was originally labelled Nightingale Lane
Ref in Neil Gaimens ‘Neverwhere’
1:58 "vast amounts of lolly" lol
not specifically tube related but something not covered much
the Latin American community somewhere around Elephant and Castle
love it
Jago i did the quiz and i reolise 23 years on the isle of wight has made me very rusty . I will travel up to the north island soon and spent a few days being an anorack. Can i ask for an episode to include tunals not msrked on the map. I.e lines tk depots and turn rounds. With thanks bernie isle of wight
why dont they knock them down now Jago? what are they used for? i grew up in Clapham south and i know one there has been integrated into an apartment building near the station but why dont LT demolish the other ones? are they protected buildings ie grade II buildings?
Goodge street underground shelter where Professor Travers helped a little by a wandering time traveller lead the fight against the Yeti controlled by the great intelligence.
The Great Intelligence being the bunkers Mercury Arc Rectifier, a machine designed to turn AC into DC, most of the bunkers have them, the Eisenhower has a small one which was installed so that the Americans could use their equipment down there, as they used DC.
If one spends enough time in, for example, Albania, the bunker aesthetic can gain appeal.
It takes no time to find the appeal of JH videos.
Got to love the casual Hitler-Mosley comparison
Very interesting video. Was very surprised to hear about an underground line to Chessington, my home town. Would love to know more about this but couldn't find anything
I’ll see what I can find. I do want to do a video on the Chessington branch, which I find very interesting.
@@JagoHazzard well you would definitely get at least one view from me. Hopefully a few more
Ah Chessington, the other end of the 65 bus route from where i lived in Ealing, am I showing my age?😞
@@chrisstephens6673 I think last stop is now Kingston for 65. All change please
@@robertwells5628 doesnt go to Kent Park in Cleveland Road,where there used to be a bus drivers canteen, either anymore, and this is progress?
Edit now there is topic for a video on the green trailer style drivers canteen.
Just a link to the picture of a certain man. The Chessington line stations (mentioned in the video) are rumoured to have been designed and built by German prisoners of war. Is it true? I dont know but may be worth looking into.
Clapham South is actually safe compared to Clapham North and Clapham Common.
Wonder if the down votes are from "Friends of Enoch"
Honestly, there seem to be quite a few people who are terribly offended that I’m saying nothing more inflammatory than “racism bad.”
Jago Hazzard those people are what we in the biz call “racists”. I wouldn’t worry about them! Thanks for the great content: and congratulations for the recent growth of the channel!
@@JagoHazzard Why didn’t you include Churchill in your video? He warned against West Indian immigration, hence why his statue was graffitied at the recent BLM protests.
You showed Enoch Powell. Did you know that long before his Rivers Of Blood speech, he went to Britain Guyana to recruit for the NHS. Hypocrisy?
Lots of misrepresentation of Enoch, painting him as both better and worse than he was, according to who's doing it.
I liked this, thank youi x
why so many Actons?
I think they’re pretty
Huh, you stopped before the riots. I guess they really weren't part of the story, but I was still expecting it...
And also that no landlord outside of Brixton was cheap enough or desperate enough to take them
I have to disagree with the path of this video's story.
I have never seen any hard evidence - a contemparary map or report - tthat talks about the 'express Northern line' in the 1930's.
Only once the deep level shelters were built and the war is over is this plan talked about and maps produced. I believe this is because London was stuck with these now useless deep level shelters and wanted to put them to use.
Were they built to be used as future rail tunnels...
a. why were they not made with any links to the adjacent existing stations? No passageways, vent shafts or power cable tunnels to link the two systems? Instead all the shelters are totally separate, stand alone constructions
b. why are the tunnels such a curious size? Too small to be platforms, too big for tube trains. They are instead the diameter of the running tunnels on the Moorgate-Finsbury Park line, capable for taking main time trains. So, if there was a master plan in the 1930's and these tunnelss were part of it, then Clapham South, Clapham Common, Clapham North, Stockwell, Oval, Goodge Street, Camden Town and Belsize Park were NOT to be stations ...so where WERE the stations going to be?
c. why was a deep level shelter built at Chancery Lane? That would never fitted into any 'express' line ...and it certainly wasn't designed to be used by the GPO after the war as they had to expand and alter the layout totally to their designs.
I believe the reality is these WERE built as deep level shelters. London Transport was given the job as their experience in deep level tunneling made them the obvious candidates and the sites were chosen as LT already had the ground surveys and this could save time and money.
It was only AFTER they were finished and the war was over that the idea of the 'express Northern line' came about and, looking at the work needed to join up the parts and the pointless duplication, it was soon dropped.
Absolutely. It seems the maker of this video is more interested in sharing his lefty political views than in fact.
Oh hi Mark! The maker of this video here. It’s okay, you don’t need to apologise. The scheme is discussed in some detail in Stephen Halliday’s Underground to Everywhere, Sheila Taylor’s The Moving Metropolis and Oliver Green’s London Underground. It’s possible these are all mistaken, but I think it unlikely.
Mark Jones I don’t think anything in this video was particularly lefty? It seemed like an incredibly good retelling of the Windrush story. Which part did you object to?
@@JagoHazzard yes I've also read a few articles describing the express tube 'plan' but, as i said in my numbered points above, the evidence doesnt add up. None of these articles quote pre-war sources and the only map ive ever seen showing the 'express northern line' is dated 1946 ...3 to 4 years after the shelters have been built, thus confirming my theory that the 'express' plan is an idea that came about AFTER their construction
@@timtjtim I agree. Theres no left wing agenda that i can see, only pointing out the story of the shelters later occupants?
What a pity you have to let petty politics and your own prejudices intrude into an otherwise insightful piece.
I’m sorry you don’t like me talking about the wrangling between London Transport and the government over the construction of new lines, but I’m afraid these political discussions are necessary for understanding the reasons for the existence of the deep level shelters.
@@JagoHazzard It wasn't the political wrangling I was referring to. That's happened with every railway project.
Excellent, problem solved.
Sorry old boy but the virtue signaling is cloying.
I guess you’re just going to have to deal with it.