Should Jalen Green Come Off the Bench? Alperen Sengun's Slump and Houston Rockets Expectations!
HTML-код
- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- In this episode of Let's Talk Rockets Roosh and Frank discuss: should Jalen Green Come Off the Bench? Alperen Sengun's Slump and Houston Rockets Expectations post allstar break!
Get exclusive access to all the best Chop Shop Content and become a member today! / @rocketschopshop
Follow the HTX Chop Shop on all platforms: t.co/Anycu1Mqto
Follow our speakers on Twitter: @ftank58, @RooshWilliams
They benched Sengun and he never took it personally, even this helped him to grow more
I’m kinda surprised Alpi isn’t helping Jalen with his mentality. Alpi also got benched at end of games but he didnt let it affect his mindset negatively. He just knew he had to get better
Alpi has been benched countless time since his rookie year. Silas punished him for his mistake while baby sitting Jalen like he’s next Kobe or something
Stone should of drafted Mobley over Green.
@@dandeitch3459nah I blame Stone for hiring Silas and allowing him to ruin those two formidable years of Jalen’s career. I still agree with selecting an explosive lead guard (at the time) over a big man who might possibly get exposed in isolation defense for not having agility for their size
@@gautamsane1499 - there seems to be more guards like Green in every draft than bigs like Mobley. Mobley has the skill set to be a top tier defender at the 4 or the 5 & he is plenty more efficient on the offensive end than Green.
To add the point, you see other teams stack paint with 3 or even 4 guys when alperen has the ball, because they know that there is no shooting at the rockets. And when they stack the paint guess what alperen is going to have a hard time. You see alperen passing out to the open guys at the perimeter but those the guys cant make those open shots. And it will become harder to get off boards because they stacked the paint and now boxing out alperen and jabari etc.
Even worse running lineups with Amen and Jesean on the floor. That can’t ever happen. I don’t care what defensive benefit is.
That’s an excuse. Sengun has come out slow for over a month now. He doesn’t make hustle plays hence why is always getting out rebounded by Amen, Jalen. It’s hypocritical not to fault him as well.
@@felipecornejo7309 Amen and Jalen have options off the bench. Sengun has been ran into the ground with an offense that doesn't have much cutting that allows the other team to load up in the paint and a lack of shooting. Because of the lack of offense Sengun tries to stay out of foul trouble by playing verticality. When that happens he gets taken out of the rebounding possession by the driving player. That's why other players get the boards instead. It's basic basketball.
@@felipecornejo7309also he has to start shooting mid range shots and 3s more too.
That’s the only way he’s going to get them out the paint. We ALL know alpi is going to post and spin and fake or drive and spin.
Shooting is causing him to be double teamed and triple teamed but he’s also responsible for not adding mid range to his game
@@jsdzxAmen has been cutting nicely not bringing extra defender. Every time Tate or Jalen trying to cut they bring extra body to the paint make Sengun go 1 v 3 without room to pass
I think Stone has done a below average job if I am being totally honest. He’s hit on his lower picks, but he basically took best player available. Cam falling, obvious take. Tari falling, obvious take imo. Credit for trading for Sengun, but all 3 of those guys were projected lottery picks. Jabari, very obviously BPA but the way they were obviously glazing Paolo wasn’t smart.
But the biggest whiff has been Green, and he had a lot to do with it. We tanked two straight years, prioritized KPJ, and stunted Green’s development massively. We took Josh solely because of Jalen, then traded him swiftly after “the video”. Apparently missed on Garuba and TyTy. He just hasn’t done anything impressive to me, and we are running out of time on that Nets pick. Like yall said, I don’t hate Stone but he hasn’t been impressive at all. He’s been a 2k GM and ultimately neglected developing his highest draft pick. I think our future is bright with Ime but I don’t know if Stone is the guy going forward.
Its same with the Sengun as well. He was projected 8th to 12th pick. So another falling lottery player and pick the best player available situation.
Then I don’t think you understand that not every pick can be good. Your saying he missed on like 4/9 that’s pretty fine
@@Aventsdor I understand that, but the highest pick looks like it could be his worst (not good) and the way we developed that player falls on him as well. If that’s your guy, cool. He hasn’t been impressive and needs to take some accountability. The “we’ll get em next year” talk is growing tired to many of us.
Great Pod. I agree with both you guys Stone's time as GM has been mediocre. I agreed with standing pat at the deadline, but letting Biyombo sit on the free agent market while you spend draft capital on Adams is mismanagement of assets. it's that simple. much of what has happened to the Rockets this year has been self inflicted. the kevin Porter situation, the missed injury assessment of Tari, the Adam's asset mismanagement, the overload of certain player's minutes just to name a few. at some point we have to stop complaining about the bumpy ride and ask who's driving the bus.
Great takes all around. Curious because I'm half glass full type, what would it take for Jalen to reach Alp's level of trust with the coaching staff and fan base? Roosh accurately assesses the "inverse" perception comparing the two. Is that success measurable or have a threshold to get to Alp's level?
At this point the only two things that make sense:
1. build around Sengun
2. trade Sengun and get a bag of FRP
Im like 50/50 here, I think Sengun is quite good, but whats his ceiling? imho its not a Luka, Jokic type of player Im afraid that is what you looking to build around. The other scenario is getting a bag of FRP, and build another 2/3 years with young players and still look for the player to build around, for me this has less risk at this point, thinking on selling Jalen, Bari, Tari for literally nothing is not a good decision, in terms of return of investment trading Sengun is best option for Rockets to still figure out what all this young players ceiling is. Also remember that at some point you need to decide what to do with all these young players contracts, league is happy at the moment seeing that Rocket does not have a clear strategy.
you ll win about 10 games per year if you trade sengun, i mean go for it
@@Goldenhand31this is about competing for championships not games. You could have an strategy not involving Sengun and have more probs to build a solid team, is going to take more time but Sengun is a player that is ready to take off and rest of Houston players are not ready yet.
after trading alpi, what would u do, when u saw that the other young players ceiling is not as high as expected?
@@laluna6245 you still have FRPs from Alpi's trade to search for star you want or keep looking to draft players until you find THE player, Im sure Alpi is a star... will he become a superstar?
Please keep this coming. Great collab!
Super impressive podcast. You two are clearly basketball knowledgable and articulate and play well off each other. Frank, you're always insightful, but Roosh definitely adds several elements. Please keep this pod going and doubtlessly it'll lead to bigger things. Thank you for keeping it real on Jalen Green and his fangirls need to be made aware of exactly the type of dude they're simping for. Cares more about himself than the team and the city of Houston and that's clear in his playing style. Him and Stone both need to be shown the door.
Excellent 1st show. Keep it up
Both of you guys are idiots
Two of the realist 💪🏼
Really awesome show . Thank you both for breaking it down.
Glad you enjoyed it!
@@ROCKETSCHOPSHOPfire Stone if Green ends up being a bust and forget it was the same Stone who stealed Alpi, Tari and Cam... thats your logic bro?
i love the lowkey shade thrown at locked on rockets jt looks at things through rose tinted glasses wayyyy too often
Great first show and congrats on the future success that's about to come ya'll way
i like the thumbnail and podcast title format, yall should get it on audio platforms
Excellent comments you and your guest make starting from minute 34:00 ...Thank you and your guest.
Congrats Frank & Roosh, great pod. Please keep up the good work.
Well, the upside is its good to know Jalen can actually get upset about something because the guy has a big smile on his face win or lose and he likes to paint his fingernails, so it’s good to know he actually can get mad about something related to the game. If being benched is what gets his attention, then Ime should definitely do a lot more of that. Maybe it’ll snap him out of his rut and make him focus more on his development.
Love it , keep the valuable content coming !
As I mentioned early on this season, they should’ve traded him by the deadline and they didn’t, and that decision is gonna come back to bite Stone. Not surprised by this because he makes poor decisions.
He has no value even before the season begun, he had that scandal with Josh Christopher on top of his inefficient playing style on par with Jordan Clarkson and now Poole & Kuzma. We just gotta admit we blew 2nd overall pick and satisfy with what we got on 16th pick
isnt jalen green the most blocked guy in the league? im pretty sure he is up there! thats elite!
everybody writes or says, alpi must ; defence, rebound, blocks,steals,scores etc. Frank please ask them if there are other more whishes that forgot. If he plays like this next year " adios mucacos " he has no costum on with big S on his chest
Love seeing Roosh. That dude keeps it real and doesn’t sugarcoat things. That’s the last thing we need right now.
That's wild Jalen doesn't see what everyone else see. And I've been out on Stone. He got to go. His networking skills compared to other GMs is questionable. It's like the other GMs don't like him. We can not have that if we're expecting to win.
We shafted due to all the traDes that Morey has done in the past. Look at him know really can’t getting anything now
The team went downhill since 2017. Stone wasn’t GM until 2020.
I don’t understand why the only owner that gets blamed for poor NBA performance is Michael Jordan lol. Meanwhile, the Rockets haven’t attracted a superstar back to the team in almost 10 years. People really forget the bubble season drama 🤦🏾♂️
@@cosmicpressure no one forgot what happened in the bubble. I think Morey is ass to. What are you talking about. What does Morey fumbling the bag because he was bending over for Harden have to do with Stone being suspect?
@@rebitedon my point is all the blame can’t be on Stone if they’ve been trending downwards since Fertita bought the team. How do you paint a mural of your family in the basketball facility when you been last the past 3 years. The issue is giving Clippers Sterling vibes.
Other GMs don’t respect Stone. The Rockets front office is full of amateurs that have no idea what their doing.
Defense is a function of effort, focus, and intensity…and paying attention to shifts and ball movement!
Simple…get between your man and the basket at all times…the closer the better! Help out and get into the lanes with length and quickness…..but always know where your man is!!
Players at this stage in career either have it or they don’t…they are only going to get slower and age…so if they don’t put it into
Play early on..then they are not going to be able to turn it on and off . Offensive minded coaching vs defensive minded coaches vs the balanced approach is the issue at point. Get players that meet your coaching preferences or coaches that match your players…tendencies. All around players are few and far between…already have a tendency…therefore you have to fill in around the stars to balance the Team for the best possible results…..this is an Art and hard to deliver/ succeed given the moving targets and differences in players strength and weaknesses and injuries…but most of all attitudes and egos…preferences and tendencies.
If it was easy…everybody would be able to get the winning formula !
i love this new rockets union.
Appreciate it broadie!!
Nice job , nice podcast guys
Great video 💪🏾
Only read your headline and the answer is YES!!
Agree with all takes but Jalen coming off the bench in a losing season should not happen. It needs to happen if he is on this roster next year but let him have these 28 games and we wash our hands this off season. If he can lead us to play in he gains some stock if not… The damage is done, let’s hope the resentment hasn’t settled with other players.
Thanks guys this was good , love the unbiased rockets dialougue. looking forward to more 🔥
Yeah but Udoka can start working on finding successful lineups that WILL work for a winning season next season. I would personally like to see cam start to see how he handles it
Jalen has already had three yrs, there is no signs improvement, otherwise then I would agree
Dog I’ve got a pod called let’s talk rockets
We will change the name, you should’ve just reached out before dropping a video lol.
The Rockets bought into the HYPE when they drafted Jalen Green. It SUCKS that they didn't draft SCOTTIE BARNES.
Im low key dissapointed in Stone, im realizing how timid he is in his decision making. Its like he talks the way he moves. Even when he talks he sounds timid and unsure to me. I like Stone but when it comes to making tough decisions, I dont trust him to make them effectively.
I think Stone has been burned enough on overrated G league Ignite players. Jalen, Scoot(although not Rockets), Nix and others would have been rated more appropriately coming out of a top college program. These guys are so ridiculously raw and forced to rely on their athleticsm to make up for skill.
Roosh! Where TF u been? 😂😂
I was getting flamed for suggesting trading Jalen, Victor, Jock and Nets 2024 picks for Bridges plus on or two of there big men.I've been a fan since before our championship years and have seen great,good,potential,bad and terrible players and at best Jalen is living only on potential and quickly losing that aspect.Even if we had to throw in extra picks to get Bridges it would've been better than going through this Silas style scenario.
jalen con not be the 6. man, nobody is better and evrybody knows it, thats why he is in first 5
Rookie team hit the rookie wall. It will be better after the all star break.
More
Jalen's trying to get paid so he's not going to come off the bench. Ime is all about the name on the front is a hell of more important than the name on the back.
KPJ situation doesn't look good for Stone as a GM as well.
Maybe Ime and Jalen after the same girl??
Roosh is apart of the show now?unsubcribing asap. I want to see in depth game breakdowns not talk about fake news.
✌
Warriors draft Wiseman number 2 the year before and they traded him. It happens. Sometimes your lottery pick strikes out. Move on.
JUST TO SHOW YOU HOW BIAS THESE GUYS ARE TOWARDS SENGUN! Roosh said in this same interview that the previous 2yrs, they were extremely high on Jalen. Obviously, he's having a poor yr. But does one bad half season make him a bad player?
Sengun was up and down his first two yrs, he struggled! All of a sudden he's having a good yr and Roosh says he is more empathetic as to why Sengun has bad games lately vs Jalen....BS!
Need we forget Jalen's game is more conducive to running. He came out of a running system in the G-League, played in a running system under Silas and with KPJ. Now that he's thrust into a SLOW DOWN system and with a different PG.... now HE'S TRASH??
I LISTEN BECAUSE I LOVE THE ROCKETS, NOT BECAUSE OF THE TALKING HEADS
was succesfull under silas years? u rockets fan? jalen fan? elephant? mice? retard? bastard? tbh idc!
The system is not making him shoot 30.7 from 3 which is TRASH!
Appreciate your opinion but you're the one who sounds biased. Thanks for listening!
Hugely unfair...so if the 2nd pick fails its Stone's fault?
Eithet be fair and use the same logic with Stone stealing Alpi,Tari and Cam or else you guys are being hypocrites.
You guys are sounding like children, we have 6 youngsters right now, your are really expecting them all to reach their maximum ceiling?!
Jalen we just keeping it real! We all want you to ball out and pay yoh that 38 million!!
Sengun need some motivation and more team work mentality in this team. This team is suffering because their basketball IQ is a question mark.
who cuts ? please watch the games again. if they can not 2-3 points, they must cut !!!!! as soon as alpi has the ball, everybody yells " give me the ball"
please, please wathch the games..
Timeline of events:
2017- Fertita buys Rockets
Chris Paul joins Rockets (65-17)
2018 - Ariza leaves the Rockets (53-29)
2019 - Chris Paul leaves Rockets, infamous Small ball (44-28)
2020- Capela leaves Rockets Morey Leaves Rockets, Mchale leaves Rockets, Silas Joins Rockets, James Harden Leaves Rockets, Russell Westbrook leaves Rockets (17-55)
2021: Wood leaves Rockets (20-62)
2022: John Wall leaves Rockets Eric Gordon leaves Rockets (22-60)
2023: KPJ leaves Rockets lol (24-30)
All stars out, no stars in.. how do you buy a superstar caliber team and ruin the franchise consecutively for years to come, and no one questions a thing.
The way I see it there's no excuse to expose private conversations unless it is already public and folks are listening. That's BS to me but that's just me.
There is nothing hidden that shall not be revealed and what you whisper in secret will be shouted from the rooftops. Just don't ever say ish you're ashamed you said and you got no issues.
Amen, Fred, Cam, tari, Bari, my starting 5...and that's with everybody healthy...
Cringe
@@capslock196 what's the cringe?
Double cringe. Where is the best player of the team?
Yeah starting Jabari at 5 makes no sense and will get you killed in the paint. We already have a hard time guarding pick and roll because he won't tag the roll man. He isn't big enough yet for that.
@@vaudou_ bro we already getting killed in the paint, at least with Bari at the 5 the TEAM efficiency will open up... Bari at the 5 can pick/roll, pick and pop to 3, pick and.fad to mid, post up on the block etc.... SENGUN cannot shoot and isn't respected from the outside by other teams bigs, so they sag off clogging the paint... WHAT SENGUN PROVIDES ON OFFENSE, WE CAN GET THAT PRODUCTION FROM AMEN
The Rockets missed on the draft that brought in Sengun and Green. And Sengun is the biggest miss, no matter what is said about Green. Sengun is in over his head. He is physically unable to defend the bigs in this league. This is not Turkey. Even his offensive contributions are the result of Hakeem teaching him low post footwork and that is the gold standard. If he did not have that he would barely be able to score. Hakeem's footwork is like witchcraft on the block. But Sengun cannot jump, his arms are short, his body is thin and he does not have a mean streak. He plays a selfish game also. He wanted to be an all-star. So much so that he campaigned for it. Reminds me of Harden wanting to be MVP. But if you score 20 and give up 20 that is a 0 sum gain. And here you guys are talking about Jalen Green. He is a problem also but how do you trash his play and give Sengun a pass. I am more inclined to give Green a pass than Sengun. He at least has the physical skills. He just does not have the mentality. But he gives off disturbing vibes in his makeup. The dude wears nail polish. That tells me all I need to know.
Are you dumb? Because Hakeem and Alpi came together only one or two hours, which was for PR reasons only. Hakeem did not teach much to Alpi. If that was so easy to be able to score 20 points every game with one hour's training with Hakeem, every player in the NBA would be queuing at Hakeem's door. Go and watch Alpi doing those moves since he was 17 years old. You are an ignorant guy with mice-brain capacity.
Stop it bro 😂
@@jalenjohnson0339 You stop it bro!
why u talk about sengun so nicely.. :) when it's all about jalen green! wtf is wrong with you?
Best two Rockets voices here, by a wide margin.
Quick thoughts: Stone should be on the hot seat. Green was a poor pick, org will struggle to advance until he's traded; high usage/low efficiency guards are a franchise killer. Brooks was a poor signing - overpaid, logjam at position with most talent to develop.
Cam needs to develop handle/playmaking over summer; org needs to assess whether he can play SG and should facilitate his "buy in" (lacking) because he's highly talented. Amen is the real deal, improvement on his shot will significantly impact his ceiling. Jabari's gotten lost in the development, needs to add 15-20 lbs of strength and improve his feel for the game.
Jalen only cares about the lifestyle of NBA 🙏
The bad thing is he already thinks he is him. His 💩 don't stink, they just don't know how to use him. He might be right. Like as in he shouldn't be used on a basketball court.
If you do bench Jalen then that means anytime he plays better than those starting in front of him have to always play better and we're winning or they have to get benched too. otherwise whats the point?
Cause then you're creating incosistency and lack of chemistry. You can reduce Jalen minutes. Maybe bring him out after 5min and bring him back against 2nd unit.
But nba is about chemistry and fit, i don't think any of those guys on the bench fits the starters more than Jalen. As much as inneficient as he has been.
1. No one can initiate plays and create for himself and for others Or be a lead ball handler in some extent where FVV is being pressured.
2. Cam whitmore can't handle the ball and initiate plays for others but he can score.
3. Amen can initiate plays but he is then limited cause he can't score at all beside in the dunk spot as of now and he has other tools defensively.
3. Tari Eason can shoot better but not at high volume yet. And can not be a secondary ball handler to FVV.
4. Only Aaron Holiday is the guy who can do the combination of both but without killing them. Do you want to start Aaron Holiday in 2024? 😅
5. Thats why Stone said Jalen has the skillset that nobody has on a roster. Nobody can do what he does even being inneficient he is still is a threat and commands always the other team best defender always. That would go to FVV and nobody else can handle the ball of Jalen is out.
6. The solution is only if Jalen doesn't improve is to trade him with nets picks for someone like Brandon Ingram since rumours say he could be available.
Thats my point of view
It’s unfortunate but the Rockets missed on the #2 overall pick with green. I would hope to not see him in a Rockets uniform next season.
At this point it's about 99% done. If he doesn't lock himself inside gyms this offseason to work on his body and game, he has to go.
I’m glad finally people are waking up that Jalen has an attitude issue not mental. John Wall is kinda a guy who has strong foothold in basketball players and he knew Jalen had an attitude and try to make him stand in line but Jalen made our front office kick him off the team. I couldn’t believe what I was hearing when Jalen was on Paul George Podcast throwing John Wall under the bus like he try to make him do chores when he was rookie but he ended up letting other rookies do his chores instead. We even had short burst of games where Jalen refused to loose scoring to Cam and always up his score just to show when game was complete out of hand. I always supported Rockets player but he is the first one I cannot stand watching
Great pod!
All these Jalen fans are in their feelings, its amazing. They truly rather see us crash and burn with him rather than blossom and flourish without him. Some snowflake behaviour really. I hope they all leave to whatever team he ends up in and God help that teams fanbase who have to deal with those LMAO
Stone should of drafted Mobley over Green
@@dandeitch3459mobely is aight but I’m not that bummed on missing out on him. If we drafted him we never would have drafted Sengun. I’m more mad about missing out on Scottie, and franz
During Jalen’s draft I was really disappointed that we didn’t take Mobley. To me he’s the more rare talent. Jalen is a hyper athletic 2 guard that can pop off sometimes but Mobley is a super versatile big man, which I think is harder to find.
No way JG will be benched, i would think he would check out and more harmful to the team internal
Enjoyed this episode. But I’m fearful that Stone is trying to gear up for a star trade. Jalen may not work out and even though it hurts that we used the 2nd overall pick for him but Amen, Cam, Tari, Bari and Alpi is a future championship level line up in my eyes and we don’t need a star in there. Even if he doesn’t trade for a star will he be able to put a team with depth behind them? I’m not convinced.
2 guys that are EXCELLENT and interesting.
Excellent
That’s very weak by Jalen but I knew he was weak long ago. Let’s step back for a second and talk about Mr. Franchise. When KPJ walked out of that locker room, Jalen should have demanded his release immediately. We watched gave him a pass, he’s young. That told me personally that Jalen didn’t have a Kobe or Jordan mentality from there I was at least hoping for a Rudy Gay type.
Jalen’s Mad because Ime offense requires a little Basketball IQ which Jalen isn’t great. Second the pick n roll exposed Jalen inability to pass the ball with kinda of success and not getting better.
I called for his trade after the Christopher situation if y’all remember. Now I understand all the talk with the Jalen to Brooklyn trade.
The pressure from heat being applied by Cam and Amen for minutes is cracking him. Let’s call Detroit and see if we can get Ausar Thompson & Grimes or 1 or those backup bigs for Mr. Green
30% from downtown. For a SG. Ouch. I bet if Jalen had worked on his shot and body in the offseason, he might actually have his legs for the full game and shoot far better overall.
How was Ime supposed to use him better? He isn't a great playmaker or ballhandler. He can't shoot. He can at times slash and get to the hoop and at times get some free throws but he can't consistently finish at a high level or make a living at the line, because he can't get there.
Really speaks to self accountability. At this level no one is going to hold your hand and make sure you know that you HAVE TO outwork your opponents if you want to have success. Sadly it appears he doesn't have someone with enough gravitas that can help him drive that point home and/or help keep him motivated. He already thinks he is him.
The way i see it, to me Udoka seems like he dont like Jalen. The vibe is a bit off, jalen lack of shooting is not on Udoka, the only player were you can arguably say that is not used properly is Bari. Cause he just standing in the corner, if anything he deserves more plays called and more post touchs.
The reason is simple, his fg percentages are actually good.
Another thing i.keep hearing is ppl hating on stone, First we must understand that Rockets owed picks to Okc, so when the Harden trade was done in essence he had to recoup some draft Capital back.
So let's look at his drafting, he took jalen , sengun, Bari, cam , tari, and amen. In my opinion I give him an A and the reasoning is because Sengun is looking like a Franchise player, Bari is getting better and better , Jalen is questionable but I'd like to see how he finishes the season since usually he somehow plays better in the 2nd half of the season. Cam.is balling and is putting up crazy percentages similar to Antony edwards at their age.
Let's also give him credit for the Cam trade , which ppl forget . He took that chance and seems like a big hit.
Also since he's the gm let's give him credit for the Udoka hire , while I still think he got some areas to improve,( Like attacking mismatches more) overall he's a really good coach and has turned things around.
Could of Stone done some things better here and there ? Absolutely, but I give him grace because when I look at the whole picture he literally had to redo the whole roster and coaching.
His job ain't done yet, let's see what he does in the offseason.
Jalen saying he’s not been use well is a lazy excuse, even if that’s is the case it doesn’t still stop him from shooting the ball well. He’s shooting whether midrange or 3 pointers have been poor. I’m in support of benching him. If he says he’s not a 6th man he have to prove it on the court bcos right now everyone else thinks that’s where he belong except him.
I understand when Carmelo, Russ, and Klay Thompson refusing to start off the bench since they were top of the game at one point of their career but what has Jalen do? Embarrassing dunk contest during rookie year was biggest spotlight he gotten so far and love that Cam silent roast Jalen by declining slam dunk contest saying he rather cement him self as player before going to dunk contest 😂
It's too late now. January 1 should have been the tie to do that but Sadako is a poor dumb coach. Indecisive, lack of analytical skills, too coward to make adjustments. Fire him. Houston fans deserve a brilliant, smart coach.
We supposed to believe that Roosh got a dm from Jalen and didn't know it was him because he wasn't following him? My Bull 💩 meter is goin wild. This guy is clearly a liar.
Great premiere episode! Keep it up yall the objective analysis is seriously needed! 🔥
Right now I see Green as a Jamal Crawford type....the 6th man who comes in to score 10 points in 3 minutes while ur starters rest
Best collab yet…
HELL NO. WHO YOUR SHOOTERS. HE IS BEING BLAME FOR ALL THE PROBLEM. BUT, NOT HIS FAULT IT'S KPJ. F. UP .
Again?? Same topic we gotta discuss😂 they couldnt even trade the guy over bridges
Great podcast, thank you! Love from Germany
Your report on Jalen's comments to you nails the coffin shut as far as I'm concerned - off the team. We need quality depth with shooting. We cannot be playing VanVleet 37 minutes and we need to prioritize all decisions based on Sengun as the piece you are building around.
First off. There is a difference between someone telling a player what they should be doing who has no affiliation towards the team besides covering it, and the coach telling them. You think because of the response that judges character, which player is going to you that you are coming off the bench. They all want to start. Roosh is a clown for that, and now is trying to capitalize on it. Do I believe he needs to come off the bench, sure, but I also think you have hold everyone else accountable for the stuff they do wrong. Sengun no defense or rebounds, brooks shooting to much, Bari not aggressive, Ime bad substitution patterns and making adjustments to the offensive due to the players they have. If the team can’t shoot threes, what other schemes can you come up with. Good teams make adjustments we have not.
Roosh was surprised and butthurt that he had been talking all this crap about Green and was surprised that the smoke came back his way. It's like you were one of the main people pushing for this man to go to the bench not to learn but because your Ready to move on and your shocked that he was disrespectful to you when y'all talked. That's crazy! And maybe it's me but he was so excited to mention that he personally talked to Jalen Green and that other players just call him to say wassup, like bro nobody needs to know that
great
Rockets messed up not trading Jalen + protected first to a tanking team with a serviceable shooting guard and/or picks. Idk if that opportunity was available, but now the rockets are in a quagmire. Either the rockets sacrifice wins to build up Jalen’s trade value and thus we extend the rebuild, or we play to win and bench him and risk that he essentially fades into irrelevance.
Hell, even Jabari as a 3rd pick isn't hitting the way he should. I'll give him one more year and I'd look to package him and start Tari.
He has a talent but he’s gonna be a really late bloomer and he’s ceiling will be borderline All-Star level if he played in East. He has very similarity with young Jeff Green, Jeff was more of offensive while Jabari is more of defensive side tho. Jeff was one of the most inconsistent player I’ve seen when he was young some night playing like KD but next game he plays worse than Perkins. Just like Jabari mind and body are not sync yet
You can't compare Jabari to himself last year. You must compare Jabari to the market. A third pick is suppose to be franchise changing, not a role player for his career. Jeff Green kept getting traded every three years and is known as the Lebron of role players for a reason. @@AkagiRedSun
everyone knew he would be a high end role player. His comp was Rashard Lewis. I think he is easily on track to being that and I would be more than happy if he becomes that.
@@Aventsdor Hell no. Rashad was an all star a few years. Jabari can’t dribble the ball. At this stage, he won’t learn either.
@@CornellG Hes shown plenty of times he can be very good, he’s just streaky since coming back from injury
I cant buy hanging Stone over simply the Jalen pick. I’m not a fan of Stone. I’m somewhat undecided but Jalen is not the reason. I agree Jalen is failing to live up to the pick. I would have liked to see them trade him before the deadline. However, if you go back in time, almost every expert and almost every mock draft had Jalen going to the rockets. There would have been an uproar if he picked anyone else. He picked the guy that he was supposed to pick according to nearly everyone. It’s actually surprising how many lotto picks don’t live up to expectations. This is not the one thing you judge stone on. It can be a part of it. I think you judge him on everything else. The things in his favor: he got Sengun who should have been a much higher pick, he got Tari Eason who I think will be a star. Those were guys that came later in the first round and may turn out to be the future of the team. Those 2 picks layers are probably the most positive draft picks at this moment. In this last draft he got Amen and Cam. I think getting Cam must have been pure luck, but it looks like those guys have potential to also be 2 great moves. Amen is going to have to learn to shoot, but we all see the potential in those guys. This last off season in my opinion they were so desperate to bring in veterans that they overpaid, but they did need veterans. Van Fleet has been our floor general. Without him we are miserable. At this point Van Fleet looks good. Dillon I did not like paying him for 4 years. It may work out but right now he is taking floor space from other guys and his play has fallen off. So I would say Dillon is a negative currently. Jabari, looks like at worse he will be a solid player and at best a borderline star. I forgot to mention him above. Also they have done pretty well with Holiday and Jeff Green for the roles they were hired for. Jock Landale has been a failure. So it’s a mix bag with a ton of potential.
You also have to ask who picked Silas. Was it the owner or Stone or Harden at the time. Silas damaged all the development of these guys.
Right now if they’re healthy we need Fred, Cam, Tari, Jabari, and Sengun to start. I hope Stone does not fight benching Jalen and Dillon, because somethings don’t work and we need to know if these 5 guys are the future. Amen has to become a better shooter and floor general but if he does then it would make sense he will eventually replace Fred.
Great first show fellas, and i 100% agree that jalen green’s time is running out esp that he’s also now in a contract year. Maybe another rebuilding team might want to take a punt on his potential and give us something half decent in return… but he’ll have to have a better 2nd half of the year to do so.
In better news im absolutely hyped with cam whitmore and still cant believe that we got him at #20!!.. he’ll be starting sooner rather than later and put him with amen, tari, jabari and sengun and our future is looking very bright! 😎☀️🍻
Needed this video!!!
Front office will see it.. a friend of a friend that works there. They might already be watching 👀🤫😆
Stone will be fired this year!!!
Them two men told no lies...if Jalen dont want to grow up on his own then it's Udoka's right& responsibility to step in and grow Jalen up by force...or he can bouce.
Şengün was benched the first 2 years and he came out this year better. In my opinion, he has that mentality you are talking about. I don't see Jalen being that guy but I hope I'm wrong.
Jalen need a jumpshot he can’t shot at all like you guys said you can’t be a starting 2 guard and you can’t shoot
Pls trade jalen to warriors to unlock potential and be future of franchise. Steph gonna be his mentor
Great collab, wanna hear more from yo guys esp about clock ticking on Rafael lol
Anyone know if Nick Caserio knows ball? Serious question. Lol
Man Paul George said "Its your team now." CAP AF
Jalen is young minded and he’s not lifting.
He’s 22 of course he’s immature
That was great hoops fellas!!
Great contente guys, keep it up, Frank give me a virtual high five 😂😂 I'm from Brazil 🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🖐️🖐️🖐️🖐️
✋
New intro 🔥🔥🔥
More of this
Love this pod
Yes please.
It’s cool that Roosh is going to be on the channel from now on.
I agree with you guys it seems like Ime and Stone are two different pages. Ime wants to win but Stone he wants to wait and hold out go through the process.
What Roosh is saying is true we are about to head into year 5 of this mess. At some point man this team needs to start showing results and start winning games.
If Jalen Green has to get bench so be it. I don’t care if he doesn’t see himself as a bench player why should I have you as a starter if you’re not playing well.
If the rockets view Jalen as a failure due to him being a sixth man well hey that’s on Stone. He should have drafted Evan Mobley and it’s his fault this roster is god awful I agree with Frank he has no idea on how to build a legit roster. I think it’s time to find a GM that knows about to build a roster while also knowing how to manage and make the right deals regarding contracts and roster constructing.
Frank and I may be stone haters but it’s been five years. The man hasn’t shown me he can build a championship roster and it’s pretty concerning not to mention that the Nets picks are becoming less valuable.
So yeah if Jalen flames out which it seems like it’s heading that way. Stone should be packing his bags.
This is the 1st year of coming out of tanking. We’ve been winning more games. What else do we want? When we look around the landscape of the league, how many 21 year old guards were playing at an all-star level and leading their teams to the playoffs/championship? Maybe Ant is the only one I could think of, and he was already surrounded by All Star talent (Gobert/Kat) and vets himself. Most guys like Fox, SGA, Haliburton have entered their primes at 23/24 years old before impacting winning. We need JG to be successful if we truly want to be contenders in 2-3 years. It just takes time
@@Dirty_deuce1906 Time that our coach due to him benching him and probably ownership is not willing to take. Also like Frank said the contract is also another reason they might move on from Jalen because I dobut they want to spent 30 plus million on a guard who hasn’t lived up to expectations and Jalen and his camp are going to try to get close to the max deal.
But listen I mean this might be a moot point if Jalen gets it together next year. But this summer is crucial for him he needs to get better because if he comes out and play like this next year. Expect to hear his name in trade talks in a package for a star
@@jalenjohnson0339 Agreed. He definitely has to continue to get better if he’s going to command max money on his rookie extension. I’d honestly just wait and let him become a restricted free agent after next season and decide to match or not. I think his value is too low and it’s way too early to move off of him imo. Luckily for the Rockets we have time and multiple other young players as options