There goes the last touring frame. 10mm SHORTER CHAIN STAY and UPRIGHT RIDING POSITION. That should about do it. Glad I got a vintage Disc Trucker 3-years ago!
I love the way this video is made. I hope Surly makes videos just like this for every new release/update. Laid back, to the point, very well made...looking forward to the next one!
Hello Cargo Bike Life and Surly: Thank you for your very good videos. Surly are great frames, bikes and parts. The Big Dummy is just outstanding. One piece of a big good concept. For versatile use. Extremely fun to ride. Fristly it seems expensive, but actually it's not. Worth every penny. The negative critics about it is not providing the wide loaders. How is one supposed to transport for example a big package, a table, a surfboard, another bicycle an so on? A longtail cargo bike without wide loaders is a bad joke. Wide loaders are THE MUST on a longtail cargo bike. Wide loaders are a very essential part. It is not understandable that Surly does not provide wide loaders with the Big Dummy. It's a little bit like selling/buying a pickup truck without "pickup platform". They also don't have it as accessories. The material would cost them maybe USD 5,- max. for producing series. And everybody would be happy.:-) Uncomplete bikes suck. Your side loaders, Cargo Bike Life, are well made and a good solution. Also no good: No bikes deliverable in 2021. What kind of business is that supposed to be? Everything out of China does not lead anywhere. Why not have good work and jobs in the USA, where people would like and being proud about their labor? Producing in China/Asia might be cheaper, but not having bikes available does cost way more. If at least the frames, forks and racks, the specific cargo bike parts, would be "Made in the USA", the delivery ways would be shorter and it would be available in the right quantities. For further parts would bicycle dealers and customers find individually. It just can't be that these bad Walmart bikes are everywhere, but Surlys are not available. Here is something wrong with the system.
Have a first gen Ogre xxl that has carried me all over the world on every imaginable surface (and a few I didn't imagine). I run Schwalbe Big Apples because they're big (duh), comfy, fun looking and indestructible. Was excited about the update until you got to the 47c tire clearance, but still - great job! (Also at 6'8" you guys are among the few who make a frame that fits!) Keep it up! Love Surly!
I still have an original LHT from way way back and it's still my favorite bike. You should keep the name though. Call it LONG HAUL TRUCKER disc. It's just a good name. But if I was shopping a Surly right now it's be the Bridge club.
Dynamo routing on the fork is cool, I've got a lot of zip ties on my current Disc Trucker (though the move to Thru-Axle means I won't be swapping framesets any time soon, I've got a lot of years left in the frame and wheelset before I've worn in all out).
I have a Disc Trucker built from the frameset up to my own specs, absolutely love it! No, it does not have to look as ugly as this one in the video; 26 inch wheels and odd stem choice certainly add to the fugly aesthetics here, I guess. On the updated frameset. Through axles - OK, I guess, time to move on from QRs. Flat mount brakes - meh, IS tabs used on the previous gen frame allow me to use a 180 mm disc at the front for those days when I haul a loaded trailer behind the bike (40 kg including kid, tent, food, clothes etc.)
It seems you know everything. It's always refreshing to get input from folks who know more than manufacturers about what is a perfect bike. I'm excited to see your better bicycle and would love to purchase it.
Some nice changes here, and I understand wanting to keep things fresh... but oof. The shorter chain-stay is an issue for size 13 shoes and rear panniers. I have an LHT with 26" wheels (the mutant 62 cm one) and I'm glad I have that chain-stay for loaded touring or even just pannier grocery trips.
I was looking forward to this upgrade, a Disc Trucker with thru axle would be the perfect for me! But then came the big disappointment: This is not thru axle, this has a vertical dropout on 1 side. The reason given in this video , to not choose for a real thru axle, is because of ease of removal. Hey Surly, than you could have kept the quick release dropout if that was your goal. Somehow Surly always screws up the design for thru axle, they never keep to the standard all other manufuctures use.. (One exeption is the Trek 520, which also has some dumb mix of QR and thru axle.) How on earth did the marketing guys at Surly manage to screw this up. Unbelievable ! My opinion is that if you have disc brakes on a bicycle, you must have thru axle dropouts, to prevent screaming disc when braking, and to make sure that the wheel is in the exact same position after you have removed it. 99% of 2020 bicycles with disc brakes have thru axle, exept Surly, with their own proprietary version of an axle. Also, who asked for this ? Which problem did this solve ?
very nice that the engineers get to talk about their product. i do wonder, however, why the lady engineer said the LHT was released in 2007. I had one in 2004 (and it got stolen about a year later).
So I'm 203 cm tall with a 103cm crotch to sole inseam. I like an upright riding position and bar cons on flat bars. Was thinking of getting a disc trucker and putting a flat bar on it, the one you sell with the swept back bars and little aero bar extensions should be able to accommodate bar cons by the looks of it. With a short riser stem do you think this'll be big enough for me? I couldn't get the older LHT because to ride it would require a very long seatpost and a ridiculously long steer tube with a ton of spacers. A similarly tall man I knew had one set up like that, it looked dodgy though he was happy with it. Excited to think I could possibly finally buy one of your bikes now that the head tube is longer 🙂
In the video are Surly Racks that are on the bike. Surly had its name before the bike came out thanks to JANND. JANND builds tool and gear bags and the Steel Surly Bike Racks rated for 90 LBS carry load super strong Thank you JANND... - rebo
I like that they can take both wheel sizes. I bought the bike as a mini cargo bike. I got 26" wheels to keep my son's weight lower. That was the right decision but after having another kid I picked up the awesome Big Dummy. I wish I could fit 700c wheels on my LHT for faster unloaded ride. Also, the ET tires are great. I know Surly makes an off-road touring bike but if you want to hop in some gravel then it's nice to have the ET.
RugbyNick6 It’s either or, not both. You might fit a 26” wheel in a 29” frame (as long as the bottom bracket didn’t drag on the ground 😂😂) but you couldn’t fit a 29” wheel in a 26” frame.
New updates are very nice. Flashy colors are not good for touring. Please add more colours. If you shorten chainstay pannier bags may rub the tow. Just curious to know.
@Saper There's nothing obsolete about four panniers for touring. For people who are trying to sell stuff it doesn't give anything new to sell, but for people who go touring it's still the way to go. And for commuting an Ortlieb rear pannier is easy on and off, easy to pack and unpack. On a long day ride it provides easy access to stuff. Heel clearance does matter.
I have a Disc Trucker and a 1 X 1 (with Alfine 8 speed IGH). These are great bikes, but I don't want the Trucker to get bunged up, so I ride the 1 X 1 most of the time (for grocery-store/rides around town). They are sturdy enough for my 250lbs and whatever cargo I need to carry. I have 180s on the front, XT disks on the Trucker and BB7s on the 1 X 1. You folks build a great product.
Sooo... a nice video just to let the world know that yet another company took a classic and jumped on the whole gravel bike bandwagon... If you need badly to make a gravel bike, just make a gravel bike... is it because the factories in PRC or ROC are switching their process to gravel frames??
Doesn't sound like it should matter any more. The new version has a 10mm shorter chain stay. There goes the touring frame, now it will be just like the Trek tourer or anybody else's. But do agree finding a Surly in shop is impossible. Glad I got mine 3-years ago, and then it had to be order in. Given how bad the Trek 520 I had was, an unseen bike had to be an improvement. Can't say that last statement improves the experience any.
@@weldonyoung1013 As luck would have it I have found both a last year model DT and LHT available at shops here in Southern Ontario. Color selection limited - black or grey. Just trying to figure out sizing. My current Kona Rove is a 54 cm. Also wondering if the extra $300 is worth it for the DT vs the LHT.
@@smokeycanuck8058 , don't think I can help you out with size. I've only got data on size 58cm to 62 or 64cm from 2016. But you may want to watch out for handlebar width (it can be wide, though easily changed out), however the long crank arm lengths are more difficult to do anything about (make sure to check the lenght, if you're use to mountain bikes you could find the length ok). As I heard it in 2017, Surly does not make different size cranks available, though I managed a smaller size by swapping with another Surly (arranged by the bike shop).
So, I would need a 52 cm frame, and my only option is 26 inch wheels? I would love if Surly could make the LHT available in 28 inch wheel size for the smaller frame sizes. My favorite Schwalbe tyres are not even made in 26 inch anymore !! (MARATHON ALMOTION) And why does the 2020 LHT still have the mounts for a downtube shifter on the frame? In 2020 nobody is using downtube shifters anymore, so if you are going to "completely redesign" the bike, you could have gotten rid of that. Most other bike manufacturers have better solutions for this I think.
Paul Jansson to be honest a 52cm frame is better off with 26 of 27,5 then 29 wheels. And the downtube shifter mounts are just cable stops, but yeah you can put downtube shifters on them. If you wanted to.
@@joramvandervorst7715 You can run 27.5 /650b on a 52 or 54 but it feels very frankenstein. I have a 54cm from 2012 and it completely changes your handling and raises your bb. I think the general idea with the complete bikes surly sells is that they do come with cheaper parts but you can build them up any way you like. It's a cheaper Rivendell to me.
Dean Badgley i allways buy a bare frame, so the component issue is non excistent for me. But i can understand your grief with the wheel/frame and tyre sizes.
Beautiful bike but I wouldn't go touring with it because of the through axel. If it breaks you are in big trouble because a through axle for a specific bike is not easy to find.
@@wogahboy Yeah, it's insane there was never a standard for TA. That ship sailed though. If you know the specs (size) you may be able to find more affordable spares that also fit than OEM.
If it is part of the steel frame, maybe you can just align the hanger ? I mean an integrated (part of the steel frame) hanger is sturdy. (and better than an aluminium hanger like on Giant, Specialized and other bikes)
Well, I'm just learning about touring bikes, and judging from the comments here on the manufacturer's channel it sounds like the purists are disappointed!
I've an older Disk Trucker, the main change I did not like on the new bike was the 10mm reduction in chain stay length. This makes is less suitable for loaded touring. Also I still would like bar end shifters, with a better group set. Larger disk rotor would also be nice. Really want a kickstand mount. 32 Spoke rims are a big downgrade. I getting older, any chance for an all out electric touring bike.
Just as I was getting to the point of wanting a Trucker, you discontinued the canti version. Now that I've twisted my own arm to consider getting a disc version, you turn it into a bikepacking bike. There is still a market for riders wanting a simple, solid, canti-brake tourer. You left money on the table by phasing it out. Now I'll have to pay four times the money for a Riv . . . except I won't.
LOL. My front wheel is a SA XL-FDD dyno DRUM brake. BEST bike part EVER made. FACT. Zero fuss and ZERO problems in 28,000 miles, including 8,100 at 120 lbs on tour. It has easily done over 45 mph several times. My Rohloff14 does have the cable TRP Spyre, the only thing I like on this Surly and most other bikes.
I am not happy with a shortened chainstay,the reason you buy a touring bike is for stability under load and this wont help!And Alivio is a big downgrade frome deore! If I were in the market for a disc trucker it would be an older model!
@@cjohnson3836 The quality of Alivio derailleur and shifters is lower, less reliable, not as precise as Deore. The command (shifter) is a bit harder, causes tiredness.
@@Guillaume_F This bike doesn't use Alivio shifters. That's entirely the point. Its using Sora brakes/shifters and front mech with Alivio crank, rear mech, cassette. The brakes/shifters/front mech are above entry level (which would be Claris). The Alivio crank and cassette both have hyperglide. The only major difference is the rear mech; Alivio doesn't have a clutch. Current Alivio is better than old Deore except for chain retention (something irrelevant on a touring bike). And, this setup is about the only way left to get 9spd road shifting on drops with a "mtb" rear drive. If you want to talk about functional differences between bar-ends (as a whole) vs STI, there's a number of reasons to dislike this Disc Trucker setup. But, saying that (for anything other than mountain biking) Alivio is a quality downgrade from Deore is nonsense, esp for touring. (Or, you can just buy an Ogre and avoid this entire issue)
Shame on Shimano for not offering a low-geared touring crankset compatible with their brifters, so manufacturers are forced to selecting and mixing up from a limited range of "compatible" MTB and road components. That's why we see Alivio crankset married with Sora FD. As a result we get not-so-low gears of about 21 gear-inches and a custom road bottom bracket with spacers, causing cranks asymmetry.
I'm interested - why is it so expensive? Not gonna lie, your branding makes this look like some walmart bike; and the parts on it are also cheap. It's a basic metal frame, which is also cheap to manufacture. I get the decisions, cheap, available parts make it easy to maintain. But then why does the bike cost 400 bucks more than my cube travel exc touring bike that has a belt drive system, and quality parts all through to a fairly expensive bell?
Saper well try to ride trough winter with salt and dirt on the roads, next spring, your thru axle is corroded solid in your hub, happened to me with dt swiss axles and hubs last winter. I am not so convinced about all that advantage for the normal cyclist any more. It’s just change for the sake of it, not to improve.
Still no rear drop outs compatible with an IHG such as Rohloff. Fail. For a bike that supposedly goes on long tours, rtw, you want reliability. Derailleurs are so high maintenance compared to a Rohloff hub. The rest of the spec and appeal of the bike has been down graded with inferior components whilst the price remains the same. Disappointing. The Kona Sutra is a better bike and has better colour options.
would make h bar more curved this or other way .. ergo reasons and supporting upper chest ... blah blah .. handling. bar, h bar is ur point of contact/handling ..blah blah 😘😉😯 happy to send suggestions.
Surly you ruined it, what is going on with you folks? You ruined the fatbike lineup now this, this is now just another wannabe gravel bike, good luck trying to source a 26 inch thru axle wheel if you're in a pinch, shorter chainstays? Really? None of the changes you made make any sense from a touring perspective, i'll have to source the older framesets now. Thanks Surly!
No offense guys but both of you look and sound so bored and unenthusiastic about this bike that it gives me pause. I'm taking my time studying touring bikes so when I buy a bike this time, I have zero regrets (the way I do riding my heavy mountain bike that's converted into a commuter bike now) and am deciding between The Surly Disc Trucker, Trek 520, Kona Sutra, or a Salsa Marrakesh. At the moment I'm leaning towards the Kona or Trek because they seem to use pretty standard parts that I can fix 10 years down the line. Your use of brifters, reducing the spoke count, and shorter chain stay are all turnoffs. Still haven't shut the door on Surly but it looks like a weaker bike with expensive repair down the line.
Thanks for making a wide range of bikes for all sizes of humans ❤️ I Love my Surly Cross Check
There goes the last touring frame. 10mm SHORTER CHAIN STAY and UPRIGHT RIDING POSITION. That should about do it.
Glad I got a vintage Disc Trucker 3-years ago!
I love the way this video is made. I hope Surly makes videos just like this for every new release/update. Laid back, to the point, very well made...looking forward to the next one!
We love our surly lht so many trip what a durable and beautiful bike !!!
That’s going to make for a lot of excited new Disc Trucker owners, I’m loving my 2020 blue Krampus
Krampus is the bike to rule them all!
Im loving my new Krampus as well!
I love my Krampus unfortunately my frame cracked so now hoping you guys from Surly gonna sort it out. Luckily still in warranty
Happy to see somebody which still has interest in making 26" wheel bicycles, when even MTB makers are ceasing and desisting from them.
Hello Cargo Bike Life and Surly: Thank you for your very good videos. Surly are great frames, bikes and parts. The Big Dummy is just outstanding. One piece of a big good concept. For versatile use. Extremely fun to ride. Fristly it seems expensive, but actually it's not. Worth every penny.
The negative critics about it is not providing the wide loaders. How is one supposed to transport for example a big package, a table, a surfboard, another bicycle an so on? A longtail cargo bike without wide loaders is a bad joke. Wide loaders are THE MUST on a longtail cargo bike. Wide loaders are a very essential part.
It is not understandable that Surly does not provide wide loaders with the Big Dummy. It's a little bit like selling/buying a pickup truck without "pickup platform". They also don't have it as accessories.
The material would cost them maybe USD 5,- max. for producing series. And everybody would be happy.:-)
Uncomplete bikes suck.
Your side loaders, Cargo Bike Life, are well made and a good solution.
Also no good: No bikes deliverable in 2021. What kind of business is that supposed to be? Everything out of China does not lead anywhere. Why not have good work and jobs in the USA, where people would like and being proud about their labor?
Producing in China/Asia might be cheaper, but not having bikes available does cost way more. If at least the frames, forks and racks, the specific cargo bike parts, would be "Made in the USA", the delivery ways would be shorter and it would be available in the right quantities. For further parts would bicycle dealers and customers find individually.
It just can't be that these bad Walmart bikes are everywhere, but Surlys are not available. Here is something wrong with the system.
Great job on making changes to just the right areas of the LHT.
Have a first gen Ogre xxl that has carried me all over the world on every imaginable surface (and a few I didn't imagine). I run Schwalbe Big Apples because they're big (duh), comfy, fun looking and indestructible. Was excited about the update until you got to the 47c tire clearance, but still - great job! (Also at 6'8" you guys are among the few who make a frame that fits!) Keep it up! Love Surly!
Hey, that's my kinda bike! 🤘🏼
Right from the horse's mouth ☮️
@@vishsolo2879 the Lord of Touring has indeed spoken!!
I love it!
Can’t wait for a color other than post apocalyptic irradiated baby peas comes out.
I’m excited about this bike! I’m on a Rawland cSogn, which I love, but this bike seems a very worthy option. I may have to take a peek!
I still have an original LHT from way way back and it's still my favorite bike. You should keep the name though. Call it LONG HAUL TRUCKER disc. It's just a good name. But if I was shopping a Surly right now it's be the Bridge club.
Dynamo routing on the fork is cool, I've got a lot of zip ties on my current Disc Trucker (though the move to Thru-Axle means I won't be swapping framesets any time soon, I've got a lot of years left in the frame and wheelset before I've worn in all out).
(because my current dyno hub is QR)
I'm saving to get one and plan on getting one for a touring.
this is a bike for a whole lot of people. had i not just picked up a Crust Nor'Easter I think I woulda gotten dis
This video reminded me why I like to drive in my comfy car places.
I have a Disc Trucker built from the frameset up to my own specs, absolutely love it! No, it does not have to look as ugly as this one in the video; 26 inch wheels and odd stem choice certainly add to the fugly aesthetics here, I guess.
On the updated frameset. Through axles - OK, I guess, time to move on from QRs. Flat mount brakes - meh, IS tabs used on the previous gen frame allow me to use a 180 mm disc at the front for those days when I haul a loaded trailer behind the bike (40 kg including kid, tent, food, clothes etc.)
It seems you know everything. It's always refreshing to get input from folks who know more than manufacturers about what is a perfect bike. I'm excited to see your better bicycle and would love to purchase it.
I would have like to see the long chain stay remain a feature of the Disc Trucker, though!
i love surly bikes
Some nice changes here, and I understand wanting to keep things fresh... but oof. The shorter chain-stay is an issue for size 13 shoes and rear panniers. I have an LHT with 26" wheels (the mutant 62 cm one) and I'm glad I have that chain-stay for loaded touring or even just pannier grocery trips.
I was looking forward to this upgrade, a Disc Trucker with thru axle would be the perfect for me! But then came the big disappointment: This is not thru axle, this has a vertical dropout on 1 side. The reason given in this video , to not choose for a real thru axle, is because of ease of removal. Hey Surly, than you could have kept the quick release dropout if that was your goal. Somehow Surly always screws up the design for thru axle, they never keep to the standard all other manufuctures use.. (One exeption is the Trek 520, which also has some dumb mix of QR and thru axle.) How on earth did the marketing guys at Surly manage to screw this up. Unbelievable ! My opinion is that if you have disc brakes on a bicycle, you must have thru axle dropouts, to prevent screaming disc when braking, and to make sure that the wheel is in the exact same position after you have removed it. 99% of 2020 bicycles with disc brakes have thru axle, exept Surly, with their own proprietary version of an axle. Also, who asked for this ? Which problem did this solve ?
very nice that the engineers get to talk about their product. i do wonder, however, why the lady engineer said the LHT was released in 2007. I had one in 2004 (and it got stolen about a year later).
My LHT is a 2007.
Will Surly ever add a frame option for Pinion C1.12 gearbox?
So I'm 203 cm tall with a 103cm crotch to sole inseam. I like an upright riding position and bar cons on flat bars. Was thinking of getting a disc trucker and putting a flat bar on it, the one you sell with the swept back bars and little aero bar extensions should be able to accommodate bar cons by the looks of it. With a short riser stem do you think this'll be big enough for me? I couldn't get the older LHT because to ride it would require a very long seatpost and a ridiculously long steer tube with a ton of spacers. A similarly tall man I knew had one set up like that, it looked dodgy though he was happy with it.
Excited to think I could possibly finally buy one of your bikes now that the head tube is longer 🙂
this could be a good frameset to build up... but, i would go with 1x, 34 front, 11-42 at the back.. if i need greater than 42 ill just hike it
I have exactly this gearing setup on my previous gen DT. Works like a charm!
You could be right. With a shortened chain stay on the new version, chain deflection could be a problem.
no weight on the specs? Why ? is it tooo Heavy?
In the video are Surly Racks that are on the bike.
Surly had its name before the bike came out thanks to JANND.
JANND builds tool and gear bags and the Steel Surly Bike Racks rated for
90 LBS carry load super strong
Thank you JANND...
- rebo
Until this bike came out I was all for surly, but I may have just switched to kona sutra
I like that they can take both wheel sizes. I bought the bike as a mini cargo bike. I got 26" wheels to keep my son's weight lower. That was the right decision but after having another kid I picked up the awesome Big Dummy. I wish I could fit 700c wheels on my LHT for faster unloaded ride.
Also, the ET tires are great. I know Surly makes an off-road touring bike but if you want to hop in some gravel then it's nice to have the ET.
RugbyNick6 It’s either or, not both. You might fit a 26” wheel in a 29” frame (as long as the bottom bracket didn’t drag on the ground 😂😂) but you couldn’t fit a 29” wheel in a 26” frame.
New updates are very nice. Flashy colors are not good for touring. Please add more colours.
If you shorten chainstay pannier bags may rub the tow. Just curious to know.
@Saper There's nothing obsolete about four panniers for touring. For people who are trying to sell stuff it doesn't give anything new to sell, but for people who go touring it's still the way to go. And for commuting an Ortlieb rear pannier is easy on and off, easy to pack and unpack. On a long day ride it provides easy access to stuff. Heel clearance does matter.
I have a Disc Trucker and a 1 X 1 (with Alfine 8 speed IGH). These are great bikes, but I don't want the Trucker to get bunged up, so I ride the 1 X 1 most of the time (for grocery-store/rides around town). They are sturdy enough for my 250lbs and whatever cargo I need to carry. I have 180s on the front, XT disks on the Trucker and BB7s on the 1 X 1. You folks build a great product.
Hoping to afford a surly bike!
Sooo... a nice video just to let the world know that yet another company took a classic and jumped on the whole gravel bike bandwagon... If you need badly to make a gravel bike, just make a gravel bike... is it because the factories in PRC or ROC are switching their process to gravel frames??
I think you're on to something.
Love it and love to buy one. However finding retailers in Canada that keep a good selection of Surly’s is becoming difficult.
Doesn't sound like it should matter any more. The new version has a 10mm shorter chain stay. There goes the touring frame, now it will be just like the Trek tourer or anybody else's.
But do agree finding a Surly in shop is impossible. Glad I got mine 3-years ago, and then it had to be order in. Given how bad the Trek 520 I had was, an unseen bike had to be an improvement. Can't say that last statement improves the experience any.
@@weldonyoung1013 As luck would have it I have found both a last year model DT and LHT available at shops here in Southern Ontario. Color selection limited - black or grey. Just trying to figure out sizing. My current Kona Rove is a 54 cm. Also wondering if the extra $300 is worth it for the DT vs the LHT.
@@smokeycanuck8058 , don't think I can help you out with size. I've only got data on size 58cm to 62 or 64cm from 2016.
But you may want to watch out for handlebar width (it can be wide, though easily changed out), however the long crank arm lengths are more difficult to do anything about (make sure to check the lenght, if you're use to mountain bikes you could find the length ok). As I heard it in 2017, Surly does not make different size cranks available, though I managed a smaller size by swapping with another Surly (arranged by the bike shop).
Flatmount on a super fine bike.???
Does anyone know what is the size of the Truck Stop Handlebar?
Are you purposely trying to tank the LHT so you don't have to make it anymore? The price seems ridiculous for what you get.
I want one to test ride on the streets and trails of ft worth Texas
Nice!
So, I would need a 52 cm frame, and my only option is 26 inch wheels?
I would love if Surly could make the LHT available in 28 inch wheel size for the smaller frame sizes.
My favorite Schwalbe tyres are not even made in 26 inch anymore !! (MARATHON ALMOTION)
And why does the 2020 LHT still have the mounts for a downtube shifter on the frame?
In 2020 nobody is using downtube shifters anymore, so if you are going to "completely redesign"
the bike, you could have gotten rid of that. Most other bike manufacturers have better solutions for this I think.
Paul Jansson to be honest a 52cm frame is better off with 26 of 27,5 then 29 wheels. And the downtube shifter mounts are just cable stops, but yeah you can put downtube shifters on them. If you wanted to.
@@joramvandervorst7715 You can run 27.5 /650b on a 52 or 54 but it feels very frankenstein. I have a 54cm from 2012 and it completely changes your handling and raises your bb. I think the general idea with the complete bikes surly sells is that they do come with cheaper parts but you can build them up any way you like. It's a cheaper Rivendell to me.
Dean Badgley i allways buy a bare frame, so the component issue is non excistent for me. But i can understand your grief with the wheel/frame and tyre sizes.
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Beautiful bike but I wouldn't go touring with it because of the through axel. If it breaks you are in big trouble because a through axle for a specific bike is not easy to find.
Carry spares? Disc bikes are going to have TA.
@@ze_ep do they make spares?
@@ze_ep I just checked. They do. This changes my mind about touring with it!!
@@ze_ep 60 bucks for front and rear is expensive though.
@@wogahboy Yeah, it's insane there was never a standard for TA. That ship sailed though. If you know the specs (size) you may be able to find more affordable spares that also fit than OEM.
Wow!
Replaceable derailleur hanger has been totally ignored with this update.
If it is part of the steel frame, maybe you can just align the hanger ?
I mean an integrated (part of the steel frame) hanger is sturdy. (and better than an aluminium hanger like on Giant, Specialized and other bikes)
Well, I'm just learning about touring bikes, and judging from the comments here on the manufacturer's channel it sounds like the purists are disappointed!
I've an older Disk Trucker, the main change I did not like on the new bike was the 10mm reduction in chain stay length. This makes is less suitable for loaded touring.
Also I still would like bar end shifters, with a better group set. Larger disk rotor would also be nice. Really want a kickstand mount. 32 Spoke rims are a big downgrade.
I getting older, any chance for an all out electric touring bike.
Where do I sign up ❤❤❤❤❤
Just as I was getting to the point of wanting a Trucker, you discontinued the canti version. Now that I've twisted my own arm to consider getting a disc version, you turn it into a bikepacking bike. There is still a market for riders wanting a simple, solid, canti-brake tourer. You left money on the table by phasing it out. Now I'll have to pay four times the money for a Riv . . . except I won't.
LOL. My front wheel is a SA XL-FDD dyno DRUM brake. BEST bike part EVER made. FACT. Zero fuss and ZERO problems in 28,000 miles, including 8,100 at 120 lbs on tour. It has easily done over 45 mph several times.
My Rohloff14 does have the cable TRP Spyre, the only thing I like on this Surly and most other bikes.
Hippies, hippies, hippies!
Sadly, no 40 or 20mm spaced special mount for rear kickstand. Marin Four Corners or Trek 520 is a better choice in this context.
I am not happy with a shortened chainstay,the reason you buy a touring bike is for stability under load and this wont help!And Alivio is a big downgrade frome deore! If I were in the market for a disc trucker it would be an older model!
Check out the Soma Saga. It has crazy long chainstays.
Alivio has hyperglide. Its only a downgrade if you are mountain biking and need the clutch derailleur, which you won't be doing on a DT.
@@cjohnson3836 The quality of Alivio derailleur and shifters is lower, less reliable, not as precise as Deore. The command (shifter) is a bit harder, causes tiredness.
@@Guillaume_F This bike doesn't use Alivio shifters. That's entirely the point. Its using Sora brakes/shifters and front mech with Alivio crank, rear mech, cassette. The brakes/shifters/front mech are above entry level (which would be Claris). The Alivio crank and cassette both have hyperglide. The only major difference is the rear mech; Alivio doesn't have a clutch. Current Alivio is better than old Deore except for chain retention (something irrelevant on a touring bike). And, this setup is about the only way left to get 9spd road shifting on drops with a "mtb" rear drive.
If you want to talk about functional differences between bar-ends (as a whole) vs STI, there's a number of reasons to dislike this Disc Trucker setup. But, saying that (for anything other than mountain biking) Alivio is a quality downgrade from Deore is nonsense, esp for touring.
(Or, you can just buy an Ogre and avoid this entire issue)
It’s 1 cm shorter. Still really long chain stays.
apa cuma gw yang ngerasa kalau ini keren?? :D
Shame on Shimano for not offering a low-geared touring crankset compatible with their brifters, so manufacturers are forced to selecting and mixing up from a limited range of "compatible" MTB and road components. That's why we see Alivio crankset married with Sora FD. As a result we get not-so-low gears of about 21 gear-inches and a custom road bottom bracket with spacers, causing cranks asymmetry.
Bicycle toured thousands of miles on one of these. Fully loaded this bike is so unstable.
Move from Deor XT to a significantly lower grade Shimano. Too bad. I'm keeping my 2016 LHDT
Boo, brifters (on the LHT... or any other Surly :-)
Ben'; seria melhor você relaxar um pouco, muito tenso cara!
I'm interested - why is it so expensive? Not gonna lie, your branding makes this look like some walmart bike; and the parts on it are also cheap. It's a basic metal frame, which is also cheap to manufacture.
I get the decisions, cheap, available parts make it easy to maintain. But then why does the bike cost 400 bucks more than my cube travel exc touring bike that has a belt drive system, and quality parts all through to a fairly expensive bell?
Big downgrade to what you had before why change what wasn’t broken
Thru axle... WHYYYYYYYYYY
Saper what crap
@Saper It's not even real TA if you watched the video, they talk about "so many new standards" yet they introduce their own half-TA.
Saper well try to ride trough winter with salt and dirt on the roads, next spring, your thru axle is corroded solid in your hub, happened to me with dt swiss axles and hubs last winter. I am not so convinced about all that advantage for the normal cyclist any more. It’s just change for the sake of it, not to improve.
@Severus No they are not.
Still no rear drop outs compatible with an IHG such as Rohloff. Fail. For a bike that supposedly goes on long tours, rtw, you want reliability. Derailleurs are so high maintenance compared to a Rohloff hub.
The rest of the spec and appeal of the bike has been down graded with inferior components whilst the price remains the same. Disappointing.
The Kona Sutra is a better bike and has better colour options.
send me one to replace my LHT
would make h bar more curved this or other way .. ergo reasons and supporting upper chest ... blah blah .. handling.
bar, h bar is ur point of contact/handling ..blah blah 😘😉😯
happy to send suggestions.
Surly you ruined it, what is going on with you folks? You ruined the fatbike lineup now this, this is now just another wannabe gravel bike, good luck trying to source a 26 inch thru axle wheel if you're in a pinch, shorter chainstays? Really? None of the changes you made make any sense from a touring perspective, i'll have to source the older framesets now. Thanks Surly!
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"Dang" You can't use that sort of language on the internet. There are children here for cripes sake :)
No offense guys but both of you look and sound so bored and unenthusiastic about this bike that it gives me pause. I'm taking my time studying touring bikes so when I buy a bike this time, I have zero regrets (the way I do riding my heavy mountain bike that's converted into a commuter bike now) and am deciding between The Surly Disc Trucker, Trek 520, Kona Sutra, or a Salsa Marrakesh. At the moment I'm leaning towards the Kona or Trek because they seem to use pretty standard parts that I can fix 10 years down the line. Your use of brifters, reducing the spoke count, and shorter chain stay are all turnoffs. Still haven't shut the door on Surly but it looks like a weaker bike with expensive repair down the line.
atrocious COLOR surly please
we want Grandpa thermo !
Brifters? Ew, no thanks.
I have no regrets at all about converting my 2019 DT (commuting and short touring) from bar end shifters to brifters. Bar-end shifters? Ew, no thanks.
The surly hipsterism is cringe.
And most of their disgusting colors along the way.
Cringe