Excellent explanation. Greetings from North East Italy close to the alps. Working on my backyard patio this weekend that has a similar configuration as your video.
Wow!! I would have completely messed up the direction of the glue and NEVER even thought about making a groove for any flowing water! I live about a mile from the ocean (Virginia) and we get good rain here, so that would be so important to do it that way. Great video!
Interesting method. The way I have done it was to pressure wash all the concrete and then set the pavers in thin set or mortar mix depending on the thickness needed. Then the spaces are grouted with a cement sand mix.
I know guys that use that method you mentioned and I'm sure it will hold up just as well. What I did on this install was per the manufacturer (Techo Bloc) recommendation. Thanks for watching!
Important consideration is to go with the manufacturers installation requirements. I've seen more than a few failures with the thinset and mortar over concrete. Most manufacturers don't reccomend.
Are the pavers that make your border 3/4 inch thicker than the pavers set on the sand base? Since the border in set directly on the concrete with adhesive and the pavers are on a 3/4 inch bed of sand I would think this is necessary but you did not mention anything about a difference in thickness. Also, why did you not cover the entire concrete floor with the mesh fabric? I really like the finished product, you do excellent work.
Post production tip. Try to maintain a consistent audio level from voice to music. I was listening on headsets and had to adjust volume constantly. Thanks for the overlay tips!
I have new professional concrete steps with paver overlay at my side door. I cringe when I look at them. The pitch I'm sure leans into the house. I see exposed cut pavers, a scarred paver, misaligned pavers on the face of the step that resulted in a gap on one side and a cut on the other. Messy oozing mortar between the layers and a 1" gap where the rise and step are supposed to meet. There are a few more odd things to look at besides. I am quickly learning that there is more precision work involved in the process and not all workers have the same skill level. Thank you for your video.
Thank you, The only thing I would worry about is compacting the pavers with the stone over concrete. The stone will be less forgiving then the sand so there's a chance pavers could crack if your not careful.
awsome demonstration - liked that you kept the paver laying process uncut but sped up. Out of curiosity how much would such an install typically cost for a 12 x 5 ft area
I watch this video as I could while I was driving but I could not go through all the details that may have been posted under the video I'm using voice text right now but just wondering can you provide a full material and tool list for this job
I'm not so sure you would have to rip all the concrete up if you had cracks. Schluter makes a hard plastic, uncoupling membrane that allows the installation of tile/stone over concrete. It's called Ditra mat and that's what I'll be using on my concrete patio under the flagstone. I used it before in the entry and the library and it's solid under the stone.
I missed which sand you used for the leveling part…. Great video, this turned out very well. I’m just trying to patch up a spot where the pavers are sinking by my pool.
Could you run those pavers and that cloth that lines the inner area, with pavers? Or do you have to create an expansion joint where an existing pool deck expansion joint already exists? Respect the answer is no but??
great video, 👍 i have one question, I'm going to put pavers on my patio and I'm thinking to place a pergola. can I put the pergola first or after the pavers? thanks
Hi, good informative video! Why do you stop the relief groove/channel at the front of the paver? Why don't you continue that channel all the way through to the end of the paver at the front? Or is that an aesthetics things, so you don't see the groove at the front? Or is their another functional reason? By the way, nice looking work!
Interesting that you didn't do a filter fabric overlapping that first edge layer all the way to the house. Don't you think that the sand will work under there eventually?
The fabric is 4' wide, with the weight of sand and the pavers on top I don't think the sand could get under that fabric. But your right! It would be cheap insurance just to fabric the whole porch. Thanks for watching!
Do you recommend laying down some self leveling underpayment for a patio that has a slightly negative slope towards my house under the patio? Trying to avoid tearing out all the concrete for a large area.
@@j.albertofuentes2874 It’s under a patio cover so it really doesn’t get any water except when I spray it off occasionally. I suppose I could switch to blowing it off as well. Still think self leveler would be okay to put patio pavers over the top of?
@@kcmorgan88 , I understand, in that case , just to be safe , I would recommend it. If , it doesn't seem to be a major issue, then, I guess it is not that necessary.
It looks good but I noticed one thing I wouldn’t of done and that’s burying your porch posts below the pavers, they’re gonna rot out on the bottoms, you should of put them on top of pavers
Thank you, Yes, the 3/8 gravel will drain good. The only thing you would have to keep in mind is the pavers won't really compact into it. So when you set the pavers they would have to be very close to the exact height you want the finished product to be. Hope this helps.
Hello, Would this method work for porcelain pavers as well? It is also an existing covered porch with proper slope. What about perimeter pieces -- would they also be glued down like such? Also, same recommended polymeric sand?
Great video! Curious about whether there are any considerations about the step height from porch to interior? I heard you say you had room, but the step up is now greatly reduced. Is that an issue for tripping? Also, did u do the threshold as well - I like the stone!
I'm thinking of doing the same kind of project. My only concern is my patio slab if its a full pour, or a hollow slab? Does it matter which one to support the weight and drainage of the pavers?
@@srmcontracting thanks.. so we hired a guy to do our back patio with the 1 inch pavers and these did not have any built in spacers on the sides, so when he finished 90 percent of bricks were touching, absolutely no joint what so ever. he then used the polymeric sand but it basically only stayed on the surface as it had no where to go in the joint. he also didnt put any sand underneath because he said the concrete sub straight was perfectly flat (flat but did pitch) now after a couple days we can see a few wobbly bricks . also tons of polymeric sand hardened on top and looks awful. he is coming back out to look and as far as im concerned it all has to come out and be installed with at least an eight inch gap so the sand can go all the way down. my question is, what would be the point of using sand underneath if the concrete is flat and are going to use polymeric sand in-between? also if the bricks have no built in spacers and you do leave a good gap wont they move when you walk on them as you install the polymeric sand or is that why you use and underneath to hold in place when using the sand to fill joint? thanks
The caps are 3" thick, the pavers are 2 5/8" and you put 1" of sand down. The pavers should be about 1/2" higher then the cap before you compact them. After you run the compactor on them they will level out. I hope this helps!
Absolutely, I'm located in eastern PA and we have some of the worst freeze thaw cycles there are. The key is to make sure no water will sit under the pavers.
@@srmcontracting thank you! I'm thinking of going over my existing sidewalks which are in very stable shape. Would application be similar( gluing outer edge pavers and non glued pavers in the middle?). Do you have a web site? Nice video!
Hey man I have one more question regarding how much sand to screed and tamping it. With my project I am putting the outside perimeter paver in a mortar bed of about a half inch thick. I'm just not sure how I match up the sand to the existing mortar bed so that the finished level is flush with the outside perimeter that I put down in mortar. Do I want to match the screeded sand to be the same height as the mortar bed or do I want to say put a screed bar down of an inch thick thinking it will tamp down to a half inch? Thoughts?
Hi, If your using mortar make sure you leave a vein or channel every couple of feet. This way the water can escape that gets under your pavers. Also I've seen guys mortar all the pavers down and then grout them, if you wanted to go that route. With 1" of sand the pavers should compact about 1/2", depending on how packed the sand is you may only get 3/8". But usually with some extra effort you can get them down where you need them to be.
Why did you install fabric in the middle? And why did you not install fabric to the edges? Also, why did you not glue down the pavers which you installed in the middle on top of the fabric? What is the process you are trying to achieve here? And since you installed the fabric up to 3/4 the height of the pavers installed on the edges, how is the water supposed to drain off?
This was explained in the video, watch from 2:00 - 5:00. This is how Techo Bloc (the paver manufacturer) suggests installing pavers over concrete. Thanks for watching
Are you anywhere near Pensacola Florida or wanna just come make some money!!!! I have a huge retaining wall needed and a shit ton of pavers and I’d rather pay you then any one here
This seems like a very bad idea. That sand will trap moisture under the pavers and it will deteriorate the concrete patio underneath. Sand hold moisture and the concrete beneath it will also trap the moisture. Those drainage channels you put in will do nothing. The reason the use sand on things like this is because it goes over crushed stone, which allows the moisture to drain straight down, which allows the sand to dry. You are on sold concrete which blocks that drainage.
Couple points I'll make here. First the obvious, this is a covered porch so the amount of rain that will hit the pavers in minimum. But regardless of that fact this is an approved method by the paver manufacturers and icpi standard. If you watched the entire video you would see I used the G2 Gator Maxx sand. Which basically blocks water from draining through. The porch is properly pitched so any water that does land on it runs off. Lastly, if this sand was constantly wet as you say. Then the pavers would always appear damp but that is not the case. I've been back to this job site several times since the installation for other projects. Thanks for watching 👍
I applaud your attention to detail, but Sand? Why? Roll rubber based coating or pool paint over the existing concrete and you are done! Use overlay pavers and lay right over the top of the coating and it ends up sealed, cushioned and tight ! Way less effort, cheaper, and superior longevity!
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Excellent explanation. Greetings from North East Italy close to the alps. Working on my backyard patio this weekend that has a similar configuration as your video.
Thank you and good luck with your project
You're a craftsman - it's evident that you take great pride in what you do. Thanks for doing this video, sir!
Thank you I really appreciate it
Wow!! I would have completely messed up the direction of the glue and NEVER even thought about making a groove for any flowing water! I live about a mile from the ocean (Virginia) and we get good rain here, so that would be so important to do it that way. Great video!
Thanks, I'm glad I could help. Good luck with your project
It doesn't matter, because the sand will hold most of the moisture in anyway.
Had to cut out part of our patio to repair a septic line. Was thinking about doing something like this.
This looks great
And was a really good informative video
Would like to get this done at our home but hard to find stone layers
Thanks for the video
Thank you and good luck with your project.
Interesting method. The way I have done it was to pressure wash all the concrete and then set the pavers in thin set or mortar mix depending on the thickness needed. Then the spaces are grouted with a cement sand mix.
I know guys that use that method you mentioned and I'm sure it will hold up just as well. What I did on this install was per the manufacturer (Techo Bloc) recommendation. Thanks for watching!
@@srmcontracting It looks like you did a beautiful job and I look forward to the rest of the walkway !
I’m thinking of using mortar as well. I have some granite pavers I plan to use. Do you recommend this in freeze/thaw climates? (New England)
Important consideration is to go with the manufacturers installation requirements. I've seen more than a few failures with the thinset and mortar over concrete. Most manufacturers don't reccomend.
Could I use your method but first pressure wash the patio and put a sealer down (to protect against water) before laying pavers?
Are the pavers that make your border 3/4 inch thicker than the pavers set on the sand base? Since the border in set directly on the concrete with adhesive and the pavers are on a 3/4 inch bed of sand I would think this is necessary but you did not mention anything about a difference in thickness. Also, why did you not cover the entire concrete floor with the mesh fabric? I really like the finished product, you do excellent work.
Thank you, yes the border is thicker. So the sand under the pavers makes up the difference.
Beautifully done
Thank you
Great job as always sean
Thanks, I appreciate that
Post production tip. Try to maintain a consistent audio level from voice to music. I was listening on headsets and had to adjust volume constantly. Thanks for the overlay tips!
Was looking for this comment before I mentioned it myself.
Its a factor
I have new professional concrete steps with paver overlay at my side door. I cringe when I look at them. The pitch I'm sure leans into the house. I see exposed cut pavers, a scarred paver, misaligned pavers on the face of the step that resulted in a gap on one side and a cut on the other. Messy oozing mortar between the layers and a 1" gap where the rise and step are supposed to meet. There are a few more odd things to look at besides. I am quickly learning that there is more precision work involved in the process and not all workers have the same skill level. Thank you for your video.
Thank you, good luck with your project!
You get what you pay for.
Great video , I have a question could I use number 9 stone instead of sand and not add the fabric since number 9 won’t flow under the caps
Thank you, The only thing I would worry about is compacting the pavers with the stone over concrete. The stone will be less forgiving then the sand so there's a chance pavers could crack if your not careful.
What are these pavers called? Love the color pattern and would love to recreate
Techo-Bloc Eva and the color is Champlain Grey
@@srmcontracting thank you so so much! Beautiful job!
awsome demonstration - liked that you kept the paver laying process uncut but sped up. Out of curiosity how much would such an install typically cost for a 12 x 5 ft area
I watch this video as I could while I was driving but I could not go through all the details that may have been posted under the video I'm using voice text right now but just wondering can you provide a full material and tool list for this job
I'm not so sure you would have to rip all the concrete up if you had cracks. Schluter makes a hard plastic, uncoupling membrane that allows the installation of tile/stone over concrete. It's called Ditra mat and that's what I'll be using on my concrete patio under the flagstone. I used it before in the entry and the library and it's solid under the stone.
Thanks for the tip I'll check that product out.
I missed which sand you used for the leveling part…. Great video, this turned out very well. I’m just trying to patch up a spot where the pavers are sinking by my pool.
I used concrete sand. Best of luck
@@srmcontracting Thank you!
Great video. How much would something like this cost
Could you run those pavers and that cloth that lines the inner area, with pavers? Or do you have to create an expansion joint where an existing pool deck expansion joint already exists? Respect the answer is no but??
Great job, we don't do many overlays. My question is would 3/8s chip stone be fine for this instead of concrete sand?
Thank you, yes 3/8 stone would be good too. You would just need to use a little less, maybe 1/2 - 3/4 since it doesn't compact as much as sand.
How did you make the border and center level? Is the set beneath the middle thin enough to make it all level? Or is the border thicker?
Looks good!
Thank you, the border is thicker then the pavers. The sand brings it up to the right level.
Why did you start at the outside? Wouldn't it be easier to start at the house and work your way out? Thanks!
great video, 👍 i have one question, I'm going to put pavers on my patio and I'm thinking to place a pergola. can I put the pergola first or after the pavers? thanks
Thank you, the pergola should be mounted directly to the concrete. Then you would cut the pavers around the pergola legs.
Are the boarders and the paver the same thickness? If so would the sand make the pavers higher than the boarder?
Looks great!
Thanks!
What adhesive did you use on the caps?
By not placing the filter fabric to the wall will allow sand to get under the fabric
Hi, good informative video! Why do you stop the relief groove/channel at the front of the paver? Why don't you continue that channel all the way through to the end of the paver at the front? Or is that an aesthetics things, so you don't see the groove at the front? Or is their another functional reason? By the way, nice looking work!
Interesting that you didn't do a filter fabric overlapping that first edge layer all the way to the house. Don't you think that the sand will work under there eventually?
The fabric is 4' wide, with the weight of sand and the pavers on top I don't think the sand could get under that fabric. But your right! It would be cheap insurance just to fabric the whole porch. Thanks for watching!
I thought of the same. The fabric throughout overlapping at least 12 inches, thanks for your clarification.
Nice work mate
Thank you Cheers
I’m wondering why you didn’t pressure wash the whole porch? Looks as though there was mold on the part you left unwashed.
Thanks! What type glue did you apply? TY!
I usually use SEK or Gatorbond paver adhesive. Thanks for watching!
Does your tamp have a rubber cover?
Really nice looking job.
Thank you, yes it does
Do you recommend laying down some self leveling underpayment for a patio that has a slightly negative slope towards my house under the patio? Trying to avoid tearing out all the concrete for a large area.
I would recommend that. That slightly negative slope will have a big impact at the end when accumulation of water occurs.
@@j.albertofuentes2874 It’s under a patio cover so it really doesn’t get any water except when I spray it off occasionally. I suppose I could switch to blowing it off as well. Still think self leveler would be okay to put patio pavers over the top of?
@@kcmorgan88 , I understand, in that case , just to be safe , I would recommend it. If , it doesn't seem to be a major issue, then, I guess it is not that necessary.
I love it I’m in Houston snd want to get this done
Search for a contractor with a good rep and don't be afraid to ask them their process for installation. Good luck with your project!
which pavers are best for rigid climate (snow and heat)?
It looks good but I noticed one thing I wouldn’t of done and that’s burying your porch posts below the pavers, they’re gonna rot out on the bottoms, you should of put them on top of pavers
Could you use 3/8 pea stone instead of sand.
Great video by the way. 👍
Thank you, Yes, the 3/8 gravel will drain good. The only thing you would have to keep in mind is the pavers won't really compact into it. So when you set the pavers they would have to be very close to the exact height you want the finished product to be. Hope this helps.
@@srmcontracting thank you for responding and yes it helps 👍🏼
Hello,
Would this method work for porcelain pavers as well? It is also an existing covered porch with proper slope. What about perimeter pieces -- would they also be glued down like such? Also, same recommended polymeric sand?
Great video! Curious about whether there are any considerations about the step height from porch to interior? I heard you say you had room, but the step up is now greatly reduced. Is that an issue for tripping? Also, did u do the threshold as well - I like the stone!
so I guess the caps are designed to work with the rest of the pavers by being thicker to compensate for the added polymeric sand?
Yes, their about 1/2" thicker
Great video
Thanks!
Dont you cover the sides with veneer?
You can, but the concrete exposure here was minimal so the customer opted not to have it done.
What pavers did you use?
I'm thinking of doing the same kind of project. My only concern is my patio slab if its a full pour, or a hollow slab? Does it matter which one to support the weight and drainage of the pavers?
As long as the concrete is in good shape you will be fine. Good luck with your project
Does the pavers have to be flushed with the Front entry door step Or you go a 1/2 inch under
You always want the pavers below the door. Thanks for watching!
nice job
Thanks!
What can I use on top of the concrete to fix the slope and level
I think a layer of cement would work. Best of luck, thanks for watching.
What kind of compactor do you use to compact over the pavers and not break them?
It's a lighter duty compactor from harbor freight, I believe 1500 lbs of force. There is a rubber pad on it as well. Thanks for watching!
so does some polymer sand allow zero water to penetrate?
I don't believe there's a poly sand that will block 100% of the water. The polymer I used here blocks 95%
@@srmcontracting thank you
@@srmcontracting thanks.. so we hired a guy to do our back patio with the 1 inch pavers and these did not have any built in spacers on the sides, so when he finished 90 percent of bricks were touching, absolutely no joint what so ever. he then used the polymeric sand but it basically only stayed on the surface as it had no where to go in the joint. he also didnt put any sand underneath because he said the concrete sub straight was perfectly flat (flat but did pitch) now after a couple days we can see a few wobbly bricks . also tons of polymeric sand hardened on top and looks awful. he is coming back out to look and as far as im concerned it all has to come out and be installed with at least an eight inch gap so the sand can go all the way down. my question is, what would be the point of using sand underneath if the concrete is flat and are going to use polymeric sand in-between? also if the bricks have no built in spacers and you do leave a good gap wont they move when you walk on them as you install the polymeric sand or is that why you use and underneath to hold in place when using the sand to fill joint? thanks
Question. How do you ensure the caps level out with the pavers. Just compacting the sand until they meet.
The caps are 3" thick, the pavers are 2 5/8" and you put 1" of sand down. The pavers should be about 1/2" higher then the cap before you compact them. After you run the compactor on them they will level out. I hope this helps!
@Sean Markee - SRM Contracting beautiful thanks
Will it hold up with freeze/thaw cycles?
Absolutely, I'm located in eastern PA and we have some of the worst freeze thaw cycles there are. The key is to make sure no water will sit under the pavers.
@@srmcontracting thank you! I'm thinking of going over my existing sidewalks which are in very stable shape. Would application be similar( gluing outer edge pavers and non glued pavers in the middle?). Do you have a web site? Nice video!
Cost on something like this? Sqft with material/labor ?
Paver layover is around $12 per sq ft, Thanks for watching
@@srmcontracting thank you, so cost on basic patio with 4” base ?
@@rizzotto139 I do a 6" min base in my area because of the freeze thaw cycles. Paver installs start at $20 per SQ ft in my region.
@@srmcontracting thank you so much for this information. Totally understand freeze/thaw and the min 6” base.
What size pipe did you use to screed sand?
1" steel pipe
ACTIVATED the polymer sand? What does that mean????
sweep it over the pavers and mist it with water
did you just tamp the finished pavers at the end? or did you tamp the sand down after screeding it? which is best option? thanks!
I run the compactor with a pad on it, over the pavers at the end. The sand could not be tamped on it's own. I hope this helps, thanks for watching
Hey man I have one more question regarding how much sand to screed and tamping it. With my project I am putting the outside perimeter paver in a mortar bed of about a half inch thick. I'm just not sure how I match up the sand to the existing mortar bed so that the finished level is flush with the outside perimeter that I put down in mortar. Do I want to match the screeded sand to be the same height as the mortar bed or do I want to say put a screed bar down of an inch thick thinking it will tamp down to a half inch? Thoughts?
Hi, If your using mortar make sure you leave a vein or channel every couple of feet. This way the water can escape that gets under your pavers. Also I've seen guys mortar all the pavers down and then grout them, if you wanted to go that route. With 1" of sand the pavers should compact about 1/2", depending on how packed the sand is you may only get 3/8". But usually with some extra effort you can get them down where you need them to be.
Why did you install fabric in the middle? And why did you not install fabric to the edges? Also, why did you not glue down the pavers which you installed in the middle on top of the fabric? What is the process you are trying to achieve here? And since you installed the fabric up to 3/4 the height of the pavers installed on the edges, how is the water supposed to drain off?
This was explained in the video, watch from 2:00 - 5:00. This is how Techo Bloc (the paver manufacturer) suggests installing pavers over concrete. Thanks for watching
What area do you work in?
I'm in lower Bucks County PA
Are you anywhere near Pensacola Florida or wanna just come make some money!!!! I have a huge retaining wall needed and a shit ton of pavers and I’d rather pay you then any one here
No sorry I'm in PA. Good luck with your project
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2 minutes of useful information and 7 minutes of fast motion shit that contains absolutely no new information. Thanks for the effort.
Obviously didn't watch the rest of the video.
This seems like a very bad idea. That sand will trap moisture under the pavers and it will deteriorate the concrete patio underneath. Sand hold moisture and the concrete beneath it will also trap the moisture. Those drainage channels you put in will do nothing. The reason the use sand on things like this is because it goes over crushed stone, which allows the moisture to drain straight down, which allows the sand to dry. You are on sold concrete which blocks that drainage.
Couple points I'll make here. First the obvious, this is a covered porch so the amount of rain that will hit the pavers in minimum. But regardless of that fact this is an approved method by the paver manufacturers and icpi standard. If you watched the entire video you would see I used the G2 Gator Maxx sand. Which basically blocks water from draining through. The porch is properly pitched so any water that does land on it runs off. Lastly, if this sand was constantly wet as you say. Then the pavers would always appear damp but that is not the case. I've been back to this job site several times since the installation for other projects. Thanks for watching 👍
I see you layed the pavers around the columns. Not good! Columns should be cut so water is not trapped around the base of them.
I applaud your attention to detail, but Sand? Why? Roll rubber based coating or pool paint over the existing concrete and you are done! Use overlay pavers and lay right over the top of the coating and it ends up sealed, cushioned and tight ! Way less effort, cheaper, and superior longevity!
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Great video
Thanks!
Looks great!
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