Clifton Park GC, Baltimore Md 180831
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- Grade: C- due to the real risk of getting mugged during play...C+ for course itself
$35 for 18 w/cart @ 3pm wkdy
6100 ydzs from blacks, slope 115
My score:94 (from whites)
This is not a bad course.
It's not that easy, you still will see many challenging holes, no really weak holes. The real problem is playing it while trying to deal with all the road noise & cars whizzing by, and always looking around to see where the threat of a "course invader" is going to come from.
I certainly know that I would not want to lose my bag, clubs & gear to a bunch of thugs or even just one thug or a group of kids having a little fun or even a single wanna-be bad-ass. I'm trying to play golf for 18 holes. They're not. It's an inherent advantage for them. That's 5 hours & a whole golf course for them to fuck with someone out there then hop in a car & drive away. And it is not like the Baltimore police don't have their own issues. I saw one cop car drive through the course while we were out there..There were hundreds of other cars driving through the course & there are holes that are largely isolated. It's just too much of a risk to play here. But they had a full course. I seriously doubt that I will ever return to play this course again even if I were not trying different courses every week.
But if this course were in the average neighborhood it would be fine. It's just...not in the average neighborhood. Not even close. It really makes you wonder is it safe to play golf at all, really, because you could get mugged during a round on any course, out there in the woods. But especially here.
I’ve played there for 25 years and never had a problem
More people are mugged when it's warm, that's held consistent for the past oh I don't know "the entire existence of mankind".
@@touristguy87 Play there every week for 25 years winter and summer spring and fall never had a problem how many times have you played there
@@donwhitlock3216 once...why?
@@touristguy87 Why? Don’t you think I would know a little more than you stick to the facts
@@donwhitlock3216 oh you're trying to say that because you've been there 25 years and nothing has ever happened to you there, that means that Clifton Park is a safe place to play golf, and because you've been there 25 years and nothing has ever happened to you there, that means that you know better than I do about how much of a risk it is to play golf there?
You sound like everyone who has lived somewhere that has never seen violent crime, and known someone who has never committed a violent crime before.
Well there's one problem with that viewpoint.
CP has seen violent crime and you know it.
Maybe it hasn't happened to *YOU* yet but you can't deny that it has happened to some people there ALREADY.
Fun course in a bad location. Used to play in an annual charity event at this course. When you have to drive through neighborhoods with those Blue flashings lights (high Crime area) you know your in for a day
yeah, it's almost as if some people think that all inner-city courses should have blue police-lights flashing around them
Yup, Stay in the suburbs, don’t support inner city courses try to make the game more accessible to everyone!
Facts, this is just like a course in Boston. Right in the middle of the city and half of the people act like there in a Warzone lol.
I played an inner-city course today, got on YT and found this comment. Coincidence?
@@seanmccarthy1069 I'm not sure what relevance that has to this discussion. There are many inner-city golf courses, there are many suburban course and many rural courses. I'm not saying that half of the people treat this particular course as a war-zone and I'm not sure how "a course in Boston" which is 500 miles northeast of Baltimore, equates to this particular course in Boston. But you're trying to make a mockery out of the fact that this this course IS in an urban warzone, which is, in my opinion, quite an irrational action. Either some random course in Boston is, or is not ,like this particular course in the Great Urban Blight that is downtown Baltimore. Second why would you even want to ridicule "half of the people who act like they are in a warzone"?
If 500 people that you know go to the course and say "man, this place feels like it's a warzone!" then why would you try to say that's not even close to true? What is the point of even bringing it up? There are plenty of courses in this country that are in what were at one point actual warzones. I'm not talking about a course that is in what USED TO Be an urban warzone. I'm talking about a course THAT IS IN WHAT IS RIGHT NOW AN URBAN WARZONE. Currently. Today. And likely will simply continue to be one, given the economic trends of the city of Baltimore. And the fact is that most people in the state of Maryland believe that Baltimore IS a warzone.
Of course, not the whole city.
But definitely this particular part of it.
The real question is what part of Baltimore is *not* a warzone.
I guess that it depends on how you define "warzone".
www.independent.com/2014/04/21/traditional-policing-needed-not-gang-injunction/
"Traditional Policing Needed, Not Gang Injunction... Crime Rates Down, No 'Urban Warzone'"
Baltimore.
Crime rates down? No.
Gangs widespread and prevalant? Yes.
Baltimore as a whole is so much of a shithole that it literally has its own housing "lifecycle". At some point there is so much crime that entire blocks of the city fall into ruin making them ripe for private investment and redevelopment where the very same rowhouses and brownstones that sheltered crackheads and drug-dealers from the winter weather in Baltimore are gutted, rebuilt and sold as "rejuvenated neighborhoods". Doesn't mean there aren't some "nice parts" in Baltimore....but Clifton Park is not in one of the "nice parts" of Baltimore. It's hard for it to be in one of the really bad parts of Baltimore because then the patrons would be robbed, even killed, just entering and leaving the grounds. But where it is, is close enough to these really-bad parts of Baltimore for the probability of that happening to be far more than necessary to enjoy a good round of golf.
I have played a whole lot of golf courses in a lot of different parts of the country. I have never been worried about getting robbed on a golf course anywhere but Clifton Park.
That's my opinion. Take it or leave it.
You can believe whatever the fuck you want. Just...the hell if *I* am going to go there and play again.
"Stay in the suburbs, don’t support inner city courses try to make the game more accessible to everyone!'
...why do people, anyone, thinks that it's a good idea to tell someone to "stay" or to go somewhere? There are other inner-city courses. You can't play many of them because they are PRIVATE courses. Call them and tell them to make the private courses public to make the game more accessible to everyone. They will tell you to go play one of the many public courses in the city. Like Clifton Park, for example.
This is a search for public courses in Baltimore:
www.google.com/search?tbs=lf:1,lf_ui:1&tbm=lcl&q=map+of+public+courses+in+baltimore+md&rflfq=1&num=10&ved=2ahUKEwist56ihfL3AhW7mHIEHVq-DnQQtgN6BAgkEAY#rlfi=hd:;si:;mv:[[39.43348243278845,-76.26499588559568],[39.19309084669514,-76.89018662045896],null,[39.31338987930084,-76.57759125302732],12]
I see at least 3 public courses inside 695 one of which is Clifton Park.
I also see Rocky Park, the Woodlands, Diamond Ridge, Timbers at Troy, Pine Ridge, Fox Hollow and Five Farms within a half-hour of 695 plus a whole bunch of public courses between I-76 and I-70 and eve more between I-70 and 495. Why should I give a drunk fuck about inner-city golf in Baltimore? I'm all for taking that property and turning into either a proper park, a housing development or a rack of condos. There are PLENTY of other good places to play golf in the DC-Baltimore-Hagerstown corridor.
If enough people want to have public-transportation options to these courses, the BART and METRO coverage will be extended to them. People can take the metro to or at least near the course and where necessary take an Uber or Lyft from the metro stop to the course. I know that can be done. I've done it myself. Once my car was in the shop and I got on the metro with my bag and took it to Silver Sprint Metro by bus, took the Red line to Shady Grove Metro, caught the bus there to Rte 124 and then walked the half-mile to Laytonsville Golf Course, played 18 holes and came back the same way that I got there. It's not just the 5 hours on the course it's also the time to get there, but why would anyone go through all that time and effort just to get robbed? Who in their right mind would do that?
My whole thing is that when people have to worry about getting ROBBED on a street, or in a neighborhood? There is no good reason to go there. Much less in their own neighborhood, their own apartment-building...their own fucking house? Fuck that. Crime is an incentive to leave and not come back. You will be just another fucking dumb-ass there for someone to rob. Go play golf at some place where you don't have to worry about getting robbed. Promote safe golf-courses. Period. End of story.
@@touristguy87 What I was saying is that there is a course in Boston that is like this. Right in the middle of the hood, yet it's a very good course, Donald Ross design too. However, a lot of people who aren't from the area like to make this course seem like it is in some firing zone. You see a lot of things that you don't normally see: kids riding bikes on the course, people parked and plating loud music, stuff like that. I just hate when people complain about inner-city courses and go pay more money to play at a worse condition course in the summer.