"This is the worst argument ever..." - Destiny Reacts to Peter Coffin
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Peter Coffin's "Democracy is Good, Actually" - • Video
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The dude scripted his own debate and still lost.
I would give this gold if it was reddit.
I'M DEAD
It just makes him look like a schizophrenic
Coffin dug his own grave.
20 bucks says he made it in the shower too
Super cool of Destiny to let Peter use his apartment to make videos.
Peter coffins attempts at humor are the most cringe thing I have seen in my life.
Super annoying lol
@Venron Hymns na, theyre both really bad at it.
@@killerskiely100 Sorry the second you comment multiple times with the same dumb shit you lose all credibility. If anyone's triggered about anything it's clearly you, and seems like it's cause of destiny's content.
@Venron Hymns the chapos and friends and family of the chapos are funny but yeah holy fuck i dont understand how anyone can watch either peter coffin or thought slime.
@Venron Hymns Na, both sides suck. GOAT comedy only happens when one breaks free from that Left/Right mental seesaw and you're gonna need some drugs for that. The Right is too uptight about drugs and the Left is on all kinds of wrong drugs.
This the equivalent of remembering an argument you had with someone and dreaming of what you would've said at the time. This is just pathetic.
Lmao. That's what I thought.took him 2 months to come with this weak ass comeback
@@nollhypotes Peter
while also just misremembering what the other person said the first time. "man i would have won that argument if my arguments were better and his were worse"
We've all had our fridge/shower moments where we look back on things and imagine how we could've done things differently. That's not something to be ashamed of.
It's just that most folks have enough sense to not broadcast the "How I could've won the argument," fantasy as loudly as possible. The medium is the message and all that.
BREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED *funny face*
Peter Coffin: "Peak comedy."
It's like a really bad attempt to be funny in a similar way to contra but pulled of really badly
@@killerskiely100 Clips or it didnt happen.
@@killerskiely100 Stop being a moralfag. You make the left look so cringy.
@@killerskiely100 Perhaps in the distant past he would use racial slurs, but hes definitely been more responsible about that stuff, and I wouldnt say that he uses them as comedy.
HE GETS BITS COZ CAPITALIST
DID YOU GUYS GET IT?????????
Debate Destiny and lose
Make a fan fiction where you won instead
Refuse to ever debate him again
I never find destiny good with his debates or expressing his opinions properly
@@user-ti6ix5tn2o That's because you're stupid.
@@user-ti6ix5tn2o then youre just a lost cause lmfao
@@Lewa500 it is true
@@pogo8050 most of his debates are subjective
This reminds me of Chris Chan's humor of doing a 'humorous' voice and presenting his political opponents as trolls and babies.
except in sonichu its actually funny
Peter Coffin went MALD in the debate after this debate LULW
Damn I don't have all the memes. What's Mald?
@@mudmudmudmudmud7605 if you dont know what mald means then you dont even have .1% of the memes, fuckin normie
@@mudmudmudmudmud7605 PepeLaugh
@@mudmudmudmudmud7605 it just means you're so mad you begin to bald lol
Thanks and here I thought it was a Miniature Air-Launched Decoy :/
The annoying part about this passive aggressive hitpiece that Coffin made is that both Peter coffin and Destiny probably agree with eachother to a large extent on this issue. It's just a giant strawman
Pretty much. I wonder if Coffin realizes how much he discredits himself and the entire video when he makes such obvious strawmans. He made some really good information in this video, but it's going to be overlooked because of the obvious fallacies he's committing.
Avenger idk; destiny is the same guy who supposedly doesn’t support US imperialism; while simultaneously un-ironically defending the Vietnam genocide war.
Hitpieces and strawman arguments are pretty much all of Coffin's content. Just look at his videos where he challenges peterson's self help ideas by intentionally misreading everything he said or wrote..
@@exiledhebrew1994 He never defended the Vietnam war. In his debate with noncompete, when that vietnamese girl interjected, he said that socialism failing due to outside pressure was a sign of it being a weaker, less effective system that's less likely to function.
Greatkingrat88 he also said”if your country gets rolled over by stronger capitalist nations; that sounds like an argument for my System”
Yes, this is a might makes right argument. So yes, this is in defense of the Vietnam war; or any other offensive genocide war of aggression launched by the capitalists.
“If your a little kid in Iraq who’s whole family is killed by a drone strike; sounds like a good argument for capitalism”
It’s as if Americans just forget that millions of people are raped and killed in these genocide wars.
Yes, destiny was defending war crimes, and the Vietnam war. No backpedaling
11:30 this didn't age well
Fuck that was bad lmao
destiny should start a minecraft server with peter
they can have a racist co-op, making strawman's together.
@@meepchiche001 Now THATS something I would watch.
when I lose an argument, I usually just replay it in my head. I don't make a cringey video of myself replaying the argument against strawmen, and even if I did do that, I wouldn't publish it proudly XD
And leftists complain that Destiny argues against strawmen.
Leftists complain that Destiny doesn't understand leftism
Because he does. Peter's straw men are jokes, clearly. Meanwhile destiny actually thinks that leftists beleives his straw views of what they think. He just dosnt understand leftism. It's not the same as mockery.
@@ianwells5414 Correction: Peter's straw men were bad jokes. If you want to do satire, you still have to do it well. You can't make bad arguments and then claim its satire to run away. That's what every right wing troll does. I'm very disappointed in seeing leftists use the same excuses the alt right does.
@@BeethovenIsGrumpyCat I mean all of the jokes were making fun of real opinions, they just didn't all happen to be destinies (although some certainly were). I'm not sure how this is in any way equivalent to the alt-right shitting on minorities and saying that they are just joking. It was literally set up as satire. Did Steven Colbert's character on the Colbert Report always have to make perfect arguments? Or did he exaggerate the right wing perspective at times for comedic affect. Lets actually talk about the content rather than joke policing.
Leftism is the easiest thing to understand. If it feels like it sounds nice and involves free shit / wealth distribution / hatred of success = good leftism. Everything else makes you literally Hitler.
Hopefully, Gary uploads the convo they had with Peter and the Serfs right after him reacting to this video. That convo had some nice memes
Hell yeah it'll be up in a couple of hours
OK @Subhasish Adhikary, so what you've done here, SHUT THE FUCk UP. What you done here, is you've MADE ME TIRED! That's what you fuckin did! THAT'S ALL YA DID! I'M ALREADY EMOTIONALLY DONE! I'VE HAD A FULL DAY! I'M INTENDING TO PUT MY KIDS TO BED! You've made me fuckin tired. Thats what I'm Falken right now.
@Anthony Navarro www.twitch.tv/destiny/v/489786318?sr=a&t=20021s
Doctor Dankeston Gary who? I’m interested in this vod you guys are talking about.
@@LoLchilled09 Gary is destiny's RUclips editor.
I am gay. No one will see this.
👀
Couldn’t help but notice this comment. Good for you man.
aren't we all?
Guys he's going to be so sad if he sees this again :(
You are gay. I saw this.
Try changing the playback speed to 2x when destiny goes 2x. Absolute 6Head Unit.
this is such a great saga, responding to each others responses. It's good petty fun.
This reminds me of "Jed Mossley" from How I Met Your Mother LOL
holy shit you're right. the most unfunny episode of that show, incredibly.
I'm not surprised Peter Coffin didn't have testicular fortitude to address Destiny directly. This is why people hate online lefties
I find Peter Coffin's video's to be off-putting, Its probably his comedy background leaking in, him not being articulate enough go get a decent point across doesn't help either.
If he has a comedy background he keeps it behind him
Didn't say it was good comedy, we're talking about internet comedians...
If you have confusion on any of his points I'd be happy to explain at any time!
@@nocuh Damn
@@ianwells5414 Maybe you can do a better job then he did, no disrespect I really wanted to like him, but he's not very engaging.
Wait does this guy really think if you give two people the same income, the same job, and essentially the same equality of life that it will rid the world of racism? What sort of bs is that....
I'm a leftist and it looks to me like he isn't saying that much. What he's saying, I think, and what I personally believe, is that part of what causes racism is economic. A class of exploited workers are bound to be unhappy, and it's historically observable that under these conditions people tend towards oppressing others. In telling themselves that "at least I don't have to drink from the n-slur fountain," they get to feel like they're above at least _someone_ on the social hierarchy. So the idea is that alleviating the soul crushing conditions these people are suffering will also eliminate this coping mechanism.
To say that that's all racism is seems reductive, though there is a case for this too. Note also that even if this case is made, it's quite different to say that racism arose from oppressive conditions than to say that ending those conditions will end racism.
Since, after all, we apparently dislike straw men here on Destiny's channel, I think this clarification deserves your consideration.
I'm a leftist and it looks to me like he isn't saying that much. What he's saying, I think, and what I personally believe, is that part of what causes racism is economic. A class of exploited workers are bound to be unhappy, and it's historically observable that under these conditions people tend towards oppressing others. In telling themselves that "at least I don't have to drink from the n-slur fountain," they get to feel like they're above at least _someone_ on the social hierarchy. So the idea is that alleviating the soul crushing conditions these people are suffering will also eliminate this coping mechanism.
To say that that's all racism is seems reductive, though there is a case for this too. Note also that even if this case is made, it's quite different to say that racism arose from oppressive conditions than to say that ending those conditions will end racism.
Since, after all, we apparently dislike straw men here on Destiny's channel, I think this clarification deserves your consideration.
Can't wait for destiny to whip out an animal avatar and just make 10 minute videos destroying Socialists in response videos. This is genuinely where this arc is heading.
Fuck off tankie, you're cringey as fuck.
"i'm going to be pedantic, because i don't like this guy" is a fucking mood
17:18 Fo real tho. Lmao
Worst argument ever... go on
Destiny wasn't done debating lefties in this debate
Please upload the conversation with peter and the surfs
@@GuyShōtō *Snarf
@@GuyShōtō *Turf
It's up now, fam.
*Yarp
@@jilsk3153 lol
19:04 He just made the “If you’re a socialist, why do you have an iphone?” argument.
Well, it's a fair criticism, particularly if you're going after the newest one/one of the more expensive ones instead of a more reasonable older model, or just an older android.
Lycaon1765p
Regardless of the validity of the argument, the fact a socialist is using it is pretty funny.
@@croisaor2308 hol' up.
which?? I must've missed it? I got past that time mark and I don't remember hearing it.
@@Lycaon1765 At that time stamp, he said that Destiny is incentivized by his audience to uphold current system because it's what his audience believes in. Idk if that's fair of Coffin to say but I think Croi misunderstood it as a "you live in the system, hypocrite" arguement.
@@Lycaon1765 That's not a fair criticism at all lol wtf. How are people going to spread a message without technology? Also nobody should be buying iPhones.
"it's just comedy, bro"
These aren’t straw men, this is just a massive straw stack
34:31 peter is that type of person who redraws that bean pun comic, but makes the 2nd bean say "really?", because he doesn't know that jokes can go on for too long.
That guy took stevens apartment as his background lol.
17:33 for MEMES (edit: i'm so salty the editor didn't include the glasses push up)
“Could Cambridge Analytica just be a co-op?” 😂😂😂
This is the third most cringe thing Coffin has done, besides LARPing as his own girlfriend and grooming his now ex-wife when she was 16/17.
"I've said it before and i'll say it again democracy simply doesn't work"
Kent Brockman
If socialists have to explain how a co-op can end racism then destiny has to explain how the current hierarchical buisness structure he supports ends racism.
Ian Wells Destiny never made the positive claim. When has he stated capitalism helps end racism?
@@jon9428 I mean I think that's pretty obvious to everyone and precisely my point, I am not sure of any socialists who think worker co-ops end racism. The most I would say is that any workers who are going to enter into a co-op where black workers have equal power to them are far less likely to not be racist than current business owners who are far more likely to have black people working under them.
@@hoominbeeing He hasn't, but I have never heard a socialist say that socialism ends racism and somehow that is the standard Destiny is using to judge the socialism. My point is that if ending racism is his metric he need to analyze the system he defends as well.
@@jon9428 I mean capitalism does propetuate racism in the way that it allows the mostly white people currently in power to further extract labor and wealth from marginalized people, I dont think anyone would say that co-ops alone completely solves this problem though.
As I said, if you expect this of socalism you have to expect this of your prefered system, and It's really weird to me that your using a government regulation on buisnesses to show how ethical capitalism naturally is.
@@heraldofoblivion499 it's not a deflection, it's a matter of holding your own beleifs at the stame standard you hold others. If were talking about how economics affect racism, all systems should have to defend their achievements and failures.
Someone tell Peter that Contrapoints wants her format back..
*also philosophy tube
Wait, is Peter Coffin "Falcon" from Gameranx?
Right?
Lol they have the same voice and sometimes falcon be dropping them blue pills
I looked into this a while back and while I can't find a direct link, I'm 99% sure it's him.
wtf, I was thinking the same thing!
no idea how they would be connected at all
Remember gentlemen: A guy like Peter Coffin can get himself a 10/10 wife; you can too.
If you think *their* ex is a 10/10 you're fucking delusional.
@@yron33 i assume hes talking about the one he made up
Is this the dude from Gameranx?
Yes Falcon
Holy shit LOL I wish I never saw this
@@igotbandTHEFROG Dude same! 😂
I always expected him to be a gamerbro
Wait is it seriously him?
Destiny got put in a coffin in this debate
Extreme left?! Okay centrist
Destiny kicked a can down the road in this debate
Man, so here's the thing... if that had been done in good faith or less vitriolic, I did think it was a funny parody of Destiny.
"LETS BRING IN A LEFTIST TO DEBATE."
"Hello."
"MORALIST!"
That shit was pretty funny
Destiny: My neo-liberalism beats your socialism.
Peter: NO, MY SOCIALISM HAS A CAPITALISM INVISIBILITY SHIELD!
OMG I have been waiting for a video like this for ages, thank the lord for the cure for my depression
This is literally like when someone gets owned so they make a comic where the other person is dumb sojak and they're smart attractive chad. Saddest shit ive ever seen
Wow. I wasn't watching Peter Coffin's videos anyway, but now it killed any chance I could've watched them in the future.
Did Peter Coffin pull a No Bullshit?
This is just an elaborate straw man
Accusing anyone whose video format uses fictional characters (no matter how much the characters may be based on real people) of using strawman arguments is kind of ridiculous. Especially when those characters are caricatures.
Is.... is this the gameranx guy???
the 94 dislikes are all Peter Coffin cosplaying different Liberals
IS PETER COFFIN FALCON FROM GAMERANX??????
Glad you brought up Brexit, it was in my mind the moment you started the video.
*This is sad😥* What's the purpose of going to college when you'll only end up in debt & misinformed at how "well" centrally planned economies work.
i swear the guy Destiny is reacting to is the guy from gameranx
Guy was acting so obnoxious i didn't even realize he was left at first.
That was a video version of the "Here is my nice argument from me a respectable reasonable person, vs LOL SHUT THE FUCK UP IM A TRIGGERED UNREASOBLE PERSON WITH NO ARGUMENT" comic meme.
Cars destroyed America in more ways than one and most thriving countries (Japan, Canada, many European countries) are curbing their dependency on cars.
Maybe it wouldn't be such a bad idea to stop subsidizing oil at about 50%?
strawman steven...
and destiny
That is 100% the falcon guy from Gameranx right? There is no possible way that isn't him. Same exact speech patterns and inflection. Anyone else know if that is confirmed
his whole video is like seeing in his head having the imaginary convo he wished he had actually had while taking a shower lol. destiny is down to talk anytime but instead of going for round 2 he just turned him into himself as a strawman version of him. its so funny, i dont know if people see how sad it is.
Yeah if destiny had been refusing to debate this guy then I would’ve understood it but it’s not like he isn’t willing to talk to him.
Peter actually put a fair bit of effort into this.
That's why it makes it so uncomfortable.
We arent even willing to give up RDR2 to combat climate change.
The “I’m just a comedian “ bros are getting fucking exhausting
i swear peter coffin is falcon from gameranx, they sound exactly the same. can someone confirm this for me?
Just when I thought the arc was over... here we go again lol.
Peter pretending like this wasn't a representation of Destiny was a really bad argument.
Also, wow. His response after that last discussion is so passive aggressive.
Peter Coffin appeared to be in destiny's apartment in this debate
I couldnt stop laughing at how he portrays Steven.
I always thought that this is what lefties hear people that disagree with them sound like. But to see him just openly demonstrating it was a wild ride.
This dude is basically the Steven Crowder of the Left. So cringe.
Also slavery is still legal in the United States if you are a criminal. 13th amendment.
is this the left version of noBullshit?
Destiny? I wouldn't say Destiny is the same level as no bullshit, but he does jump to conclusions rather quick.
@@LostieTrekieTechie wasn't talking about Destiny XD
@@LostieTrekieTechie Oof, good try. Better luck next time
Peter's wayyyyy better than NoBullshit. The strawmans were incredibly annoying though.
This dude is living in a fantasy world. People will support things that directly effect them more often than not. That's why most people are comfortable saying they support combating climate change yet would be against policy that directly lowers their quality of life. Even if the end outcome is good for them, the immediate outcome is bad and they don't want to take that sort of risk. What if they make all these sacrifices and things don't get better for them. This is why he has such wild beliefs. He thinks people will do what's right.... not what is necessary.
You're just divining these conclusions, what are they even based on? You _can_ compromise endlessly, but if you continue to give in to power - conceding to what 'is' over what ought to be - the philosophical conclusion is _might makes right._ To advocate for how things should be is self-evidently the correct course of action, and does not imply that someone doesn't see how things are. The only logical reason not to advocate something other than doing what seems necessary from a myopic standpoint is if you don't actually want change.
@@Disentropic1 Claiming that I'm just 'divining' conclusions is just insulting, and makes it almost worthless to respond to you. Instead of wondering why I'm coming to my conclusions you are just assuming I'm making them up. In very basic psychology and philosophy there is an idea called 'egoism'. There are many different types of egoism, but a very basic premise is that humans will choose self-interest over altruism and even when choosing to take a altruistic action are doing it in self interest. You can disagree, but do not pretend everyone who states something informally is just making it up. There are plenty of studies you can find showing this. When you take extremely nuanced issues and generalize them as a net positive (like saving the planet) people will act in self interest and say "Yes we should save the planet". Once the nuances come out, and policy starts being talked about, people weigh the negative effects to their own life vs the perceived positive effects.
@@damiennewman1992 Your understanding of what psychology says about altruism and self-interest is apparently _extremely_ naive, to the point where I cannot help but suspect that using this as a justification for your rhetoric is self-deception on your part. Given a competent, or if not then at least a charitable reading, it should be clear that the left does _not_ argue for leaving behind self-interest in the name of altruism. Rather, what's being said is that what you're calling altruistic (e.g. saving the planet) _is_ in the vast majority of individuals' self interest, and that people who don't see this should have it clarified to them. Now are you able to grapple with the actual argument, or would you rather continue babbling about this false dichotomy you've inserted to caricature my position?
I have a far deeper experience and understanding of philosophy than Destiny does, I've watched him learn the ropes, and seen him stumble along the way. There are still many useful philosophical concepts he's totally blind to. The last thing I need is an education on egoism from someone who makes the same naive, narrow-minded errors that Steven _used_ to make (even _he_ has gotten beyond the simple mistake you're making here quite some time ago).
So, let me be humble and to the point for a moment now. I am looking at my own experience and acting based on that. I personally see things the left wants as in my own self-interest, including making compromises in my day-to-day life in order to, if you like, reap the psychological rewards of leaving a future to those who come after me. So my humble question is: what's the difference between me and how another person thinks? I think they're wrong, and I'm trying to get them to see things my way. It's that simple. For you to tell me that people won't endorse left ideas, based on some abstraction you have about "human nature" is, taken literally, an argument that I don't think and feel what I know I do. If you want to convince me I'm wrong, you'll have to show me what the difference is between me, such that I think this way, and someone else, such that they don't, in a way that convinces me it's against my self-interest to try to get others to see things as I do. So, move past your ideology, and get to the point.
@@Disentropic1 I think you completely missed the point I was making which is ironic because you are being so condescending about the exact same thing. I am 100% in favor of saving the planet, and this is not a conversation of left vs right vs extremes. My point had to do with the statistics in the video. Saying 'this percent' of people support 'this general and arguably universal good' does not equate to getting legislation passed to complete said goal, and it's disingenuous to pretend otherwise. That is why I brought self interest. You claimed I was 'making up' the fact that people often act in their PERCEIVED self interest. Many people are not willing sacrifice for that cause because many of the conceptual policies go against the IMMEDIATE self interest of those in the lower and middle class. The video made it sound like the reasoning was because of politicians not wanting to do what is right (and that people owning the means of production would change that), but in reality when a specific idea is brought forward the masses that STILL support saving the planet do not support HOW they are proposing going about it. Telling lower and middle class individuals they can't drive to work is an issue. Telling them they need to upgrade their vehicle is an issue. Telling them they need to update their home with solar panels is an issue. This is because a lot of people don't have that sort of disposable income. People aren't willing to actively harm themselves.
@@damiennewman1992
1. The left does _not_ reduce systemic problems to matters of personality. Take the fascist-friendly theory of the "great men of history." This spin on history imagines most of what's historically significant to be achieved in a vacuum by a few elites, whose names we remember. Put to one side is the bulk of the work that leads to the outcome, work having been done by everyday people, over long periods of time, in mundane ways. To whatever extent Peter Coffin gets this wrong and blames politicians for being 'bad,' he's wrong. I happen to think he doesn't get this wrong at all, though. More likely, you've merely misinterpreted him. The argument is that capitalism creates an incentive for corruption, because as it fortifies power within private industry - power which comes into conflict with democracy - this encourages private power to manipulate politicians. This is not the fault of _bad apples,_ but a systemic dysfunction. While liberals tend to believe that replacing a given leader will resolve the issue, and simultaneously spouts hypocrisy in the form of adages about all politicians being individually corrupt, the left is the group that says this system itself creates the outcomes, and is broken.
2. The left *despises* making the middle and lower class pay for social needs, *far more,* and *far more consistently* than liberals. Do you _sincerely_ believe that opposing leftism is necessary to support the working class!? Come _on._ You are arguing _against_ *BOURGEOIS* 'solutions' to social problems, and somehow pinning those 'solutions' to the _left!!!_ It's liberals who push, for instance, a mere carbon tax, while _leftists_ call for a dramatic overhaul of society, and a massive jobs program to protect those who lose their coal worker positions from losing their financial security. It's the _LEFT_ who call for more progressive taxation. The issues you're describing fall under the heading: *personal responsibility rhetoric.* It's a dodge in order to avoid confronting the systemic nature of our problems. The fact that such solutions aren't palatable to people is not a problem for the left. The problem is that better ideas are marginalized by liberals as "too radical," and the nonsensical suggestion is that because they're more radical, more left, they're also more hypocritical and unpopular than the sort of weak garbage liberals push, as if greater change meant greater hardship.
11:31
Oracle Destiny
Peter Coffin created the best Destiny video ever made. Funny af!
Destiny's responses here is honestly pretty stupid. Three other guy's argument is valid when our politicians are undermining donate change action. We aren't arguing over details on what needs to be done. We are fighting for anything to be done.
It's insane that Peter Coffin had that original convo with Destiny and they couldn't find anything to really disagree on and seemed fine, then he goes and makes that lmao wtf
He is insane. He doesn't want to alienate someone with a left-leaning audience like destiny, so he fakes-nice to him during their original convo. He's all about grifting
I feel like I'm watching South Park.
He sounds exactly like Falcon from Gameranx
cause he is.
@@chad912 DAMN that's such a surprise wtf, My mind is fucked!
Peter Coffin is to comedy what Polio is to good legs
Yeah, your 7 million subs and counting prove you're the king of comedy...
Jajajaa
Leftie Steven Crowder
Hey I'm way more left than Destiny, and Coffins call in was fucking disgraceful
This fucking hypothetical has been stretched so far that it eventually got fucking eviscerated and split into something completely fucking different.
Dude's wearing a yellow t-shirt with a red sweater. He's already lost the debate
Is Peter Coffin Falcon the Hero from Gameranx?!?
Upload date is INSANE
How do you get access to destiny’s google keep ?
destiny put his kids to bed in this debate
Destiny put down his kids for the glory of Capital in this debate. Pepehands to the kids btw.
1 of JLP's 2 main catch phrases are in reference to this guy
Why not just say the reference?
I was teeing it up but you whiffed
The worst type of people are the ones that think they're funny.
That guy played as Destiny so well, might give him a check.
Idk if anybody else noticed this but Peter and Steve live in the same apartment building or something cause their door and stair layout be the same, but maybe that's a lot of LA apts
Today I am a class reductionist Peter.
Oh shit that cliff hanger
27:00 Does Destiny think co-ops can't have government enforced of racial labor standards? Co-ops are meant to spread democracy, not single handedly end racism.
@@heraldofoblivion499 I am not sure the credit can be given to capitalism considering it is a government enforced standard on the free market and capital entities certainly fought the adoption of these standards.
@@heraldofoblivion499 I mean if the only problem you see with our current system is racism than I agree isnt moving it much. Thankfully we can do more than one thing at a time though. Unions and coops are the only structure, based in democracy, to challenge the power of capital, which I think is also a pretty big problem right now.
I also think your much less likely to find a company were the majority of the workers are racist, rather than to find one racist that can rule over all buisness decision as the current capitalist practices allow.
I actually somewhat liked Peter's content before and watched a fair few of his videos, I've also seen plenty of Destiny's debates and enjoyed them too. So when I first saw that Destiny and Peter had a lil' debate thing I was pretty excited, but that ended up not being that great.
Then I saw not too long ago that Peter had put out this video. I could only watch about 10-15 minutes in before I switched it off because it was just super cringey, especially since this was posted a good while after the first discussion. After actually going through the video, it really put me off the rest of Peter's content.
Haven't seen the most recent debate between the two yet but I don't see it turning out well for Peter in any way.
*Invisibleguy1313*
You end up watching the debate?
@@Kyle_Schaff I watched the majority of it, got like 15 mins left to watch.
It's so much worse than I thought it'd be, especially the start...
Destiny got bored to death by coffin in this debate.
42:00 we just gonna let the "Briton was the original empire" go by