Hi, just a suggestion, but I frequently see games being played on videos such as this and think that I would like to play them, but don't know what they are called, so it may be an idea to have an overlay with the games name. I look forward to your next video.
The poem was brilliant! Wishing you and yours all of the best! Thank you for the great videos: they are our gifts, delivered throughout the year. Always appreciated and enjoyed!
You might consider (have considered) a MiSTer Multisystem from RMC/Heber. It gives you all the add-ons to the DE10-Nano with a single board, and comes with a nice, robust case.
Took me a long time to get hold of the DE-10 board (came from america in the end), done an end to end video on building one myself and TBH, the only time I had to look at documentation was the installation for the SD card but that was actually pretty straightforward, so if I managed it, think most people can do it as it was more like a lego kit once I'd bought all the bits!
The basic stuff is rather easy, but the devil is in the details. For a casual gamer, it's pretty much plug & play, except with an interface that's not as nice as RetroPie or something like that. The pain begins when you start to care too much about lag, some people get disappointed when they figure out their MiSTer isn't as lag free out of the box with the default settings as they expected from an FPGA, not realizing that between their HDMI TV and Bluetooth controller, they're bound to experience lag. You'll then realize that if you want lag identical to real hardware, you need to deal with wired controller adapters and a CRT display or two (a bit hard to get CRTs that support both 15kHz and 31kHz signals these days). Or hit the LCD/OLED lottery and try to find a good modern display that can take weird timings over HDMI and not do weird stuff internally.
I got one before the pandemic and chip shortage. For me it is hardware recreation, but one thing I do is use my Recreated Sinclair ZX Spectrum to give the keyboard.
Nice Video, thanks for that. Can I ask where you can get a Mister FPGA in the UK, and am I right in thinking that, if you are happy with HDMI, you wouldn't need the additional VGA board?
This thing causes a serious conflict in me. The sensible, logical adult in me says "Sell all your retro computers while they are still worth something and buy this. This gadget does it all and many, many more that you know you will never be able acquire. Has pixel perfect video on a modern display so you won't need all those old monitors. Every kind of unicorn peripheral will be available to you, and as a bonus, you'll never have to worry about 40+ year old ICs giving up ghost costing you a ton of money to replace". Then the 80's teen in me says he'll stop my heart and kill me if I sell any of my retros...
That cold open. I thought it was a real retro 1980s xmas commercial. That sponsor segway is as engaging as the rest of the video. This channel and pcb way what a team!
Nice poetry at the beginning, both in the sponsor spot and describing how the FPGA works. I also appreciated the phrasing of “that man in the red suit, or that bloke in the cross”!
They are nice, aren't they. Those Mister FPGA's! I've had one for a couple of months now, and I really like it. It has the lowest input lag from a controller I've seen so far (C64 and Amiga cores) and the timing in the games seem perfect. Unfortunately, I'm one of those freaks that really notices the perhaps one frame delay from my Atari style joystick as I haven't seen zero delay versions of the software (SNAC). The Sega Master and Mega Drive however do have SNAC support and I noticed no delay whats however. Even with the real thing side-by-side on the same display! Same for Neo Geo. Then again, I also have a real C128D and Amiga 600 set up for the hard core stuff anyway 😅 Enjoy!! I myself never managed to get the Amstrad working for some reason. And Neo Geo is pretty hard too. Oh, and the PC doesn't work. All the rest seems to be running fine. It is cool to see a running Atari Falcon/030 again as I sold mine a couple of years ago. And it looks great!
Nice description of FPGA vs emulation. But isn't FPGA accuracy not only just as good as the reverse engineering of the original hardware? E.g. is the C64's SID indeed replicated 100% in the FPGA? And the VIC-II as well?
Accuracy varies from core to core. Most cores are made with accuracy in mind, but some aren't. One such example is the ao486 core: it doesn't try to be a cycle-accurate implementation of any particular 486SX based PC. One of the nice things about the MiSTer project is that the cores are open source and often improvements made for one core that uses the same chips, even for different FPGA platforms, get ported over between cores. Some of the core devs are professional engineers with backgrounds in circuit design and reverse engineering of legacy hardware. There also seems to be some overlap and collaboration between MiSTer devs, MAME devs, collectors & restorers. Also, quite a few people in the community that aren't devs themselves support core devs through patreon, loaning / donating hardware they want to see implemented in MiSTer, sharing documentation, reporting bugs they find and so on.
I loved the poem, and the way in which you incorporated your sponsor. Great job! As for the MiSter, I regret procrastinating when it was first introduced, and now the DE10-Nano price has gone through the roof, putting it out of reach for me. I was hoping that with the end of the chip shortage would come a return to affordable pricing, but it was not to be. I’ll just have to be “Sam”, with his Raspberry Pi! Merry Christmas to you and your family.
same here. thought about it about 4 years ago but decided to wait and see if a more 'bespoke' solution appeared (it was just a jumble of parts), but apart from the MARS and RMC's board there's not much, and the de10 is incredibly hard to get still (and far more expensive than it was). bit gutted really.
It really depends on what you're into. If you like to test out a few hard to get systems, the MiSTer can become a huge money saver, as some stuff it supports is nearly impossible to get and/or ridiculously expensive, like the Neo Geo AES and Sharp X6800, and that's not even mentioning arcade stuff... some boards are essentially unobtainable.
I don’t know why I can’t seem to get Retroarch working. The PiMiga seems to work really well, especially on a Pi-400. I have Retroarch on a few platforms (PS3, Windows, Android) and it can’t even emulate a C64. I guess it can play certain games, but you can’t run it as a Vice computer. Can’t even run SNES titles. The configuration setup is utterly bizarre. Seems like a colossal waste of time. I’m hopeful the MiSTer isn’t as flaky but from this video it sounds like it is, or at least, certain cores are.
I never seen this exact setup before, but I've seen very similar ones at around 450 USD + shipping and taxes with no case and 540 to 600 USD with nice aluminum cases. There are some cheaper cases out there made of laser cut wood or acrylic as well and some cheaper not so nice aluminum ones as well. And if you have access to a 3D printer, there are some really nice models for free on thingiverse, printables and so on that shouldn't cost too much to print and look way better than most cheap cases.
Great poem and video but i just dont get what the fuzz with the MisTer project that needs 7 cookie pcb's just to play retro games. There are many more FPGA options in 1 single board more than enough to play retro games and a lot cheaper than the Frankenstein MisTer that looks like a brick from Keops. Just sayin… other than that wonderful editing and informative as usual.
A couple of corrections/clarifcations. You do NOT need the hub or the IO board. The DE-10 Nano will work fine without them. Also. the 'cores' are programs, of a sort, and are only as good as the programmer that created them. Just because a core runs on an FPGA doesn't necessarily make it better, or more accurate, than a software emulator running on a discrete CPU. It's a subtle but important distinction as many seem to think that just because it's an FPGA, it's precisely like the original. That isn't close to being accurate. And perhaps it's a nitpick but FPGAs don't replicate the PCBs. There's a lot of inaccurate information out there. It's a shame to see someone with a platform spreading it rather than dispelling it.
Hi, just a suggestion, but I frequently see games being played on videos such as this and think that I would like to play them, but don't know what they are called, so it may be an idea to have an overlay with the games name. I look forward to your next video.
Brilliant poem and opening! I’m a PCBWay user and love the fact they work with you. Merry Christmas
The poem was brilliant!
Wishing you and yours all of the best!
Thank you for the great videos: they are our gifts, delivered throughout the year.
Always appreciated and enjoyed!
That opening was the best way to promote a sponsor I think I’ve ever seen on RUclips. You’re a poet 😆
You might consider (have considered) a MiSTer Multisystem from RMC/Heber. It gives you all the add-ons to the DE10-Nano with a single board, and comes with a nice, robust case.
Took me a long time to get hold of the DE-10 board (came from america in the end), done an end to end video on building one myself and TBH, the only time I had to look at documentation was the installation for the SD card but that was actually pretty straightforward, so if I managed it, think most people can do it as it was more like a lego kit once I'd bought all the bits!
The basic stuff is rather easy, but the devil is in the details. For a casual gamer, it's pretty much plug & play, except with an interface that's not as nice as RetroPie or something like that. The pain begins when you start to care too much about lag, some people get disappointed when they figure out their MiSTer isn't as lag free out of the box with the default settings as they expected from an FPGA, not realizing that between their HDMI TV and Bluetooth controller, they're bound to experience lag.
You'll then realize that if you want lag identical to real hardware, you need to deal with wired controller adapters and a CRT display or two (a bit hard to get CRTs that support both 15kHz and 31kHz signals these days). Or hit the LCD/OLED lottery and try to find a good modern display that can take weird timings over HDMI and not do weird stuff internally.
15:06 Perhaps try ELITE on the Acorn Archimedes core: it is by far the best version of the game and runs fine on MiSTer.
A like just for crowbarring PCB Way into " The Night Before Christmas" brilliant.
Thanks for all the great content this year.
That poem was magical! Amazing work across the board! Have a great holiday!!!
Thank you! You too!
That MisterFPGA still looks like an interesting system. Merry Christmas to you and yours.
Many thanks!
PCBWay should kick you a fat bonus for that brilliant promo!
Very nice little build video. Interested in more follow up videos. Specifically arcade game emulation
More to come!
I got one before the pandemic and chip shortage. For me it is hardware recreation, but one thing I do is use my Recreated Sinclair ZX Spectrum to give the keyboard.
Nice Video, thanks for that. Can I ask where you can get a Mister FPGA in the UK, and am I right in thinking that, if you are happy with HDMI, you wouldn't need the additional VGA board?
This thing causes a serious conflict in me.
The sensible, logical adult in me says "Sell all your retro computers while they are still worth something and buy this. This gadget does it all and many, many more that you know you will never be able acquire. Has pixel perfect video on a modern display so you won't need all those old monitors. Every kind of unicorn peripheral will be available to you, and as a bonus, you'll never have to worry about 40+ year old ICs giving up ghost costing you a ton of money to replace".
Then the 80's teen in me says he'll stop my heart and kill me if I sell any of my retros...
That cold open. I thought it was a real retro 1980s xmas commercial. That sponsor segway is as engaging as the rest of the video. This channel and pcb way what a team!
Thanks very much!
Nice poetry at the beginning, both in the sponsor spot and describing how the FPGA works.
I also appreciated the phrasing of “that man in the red suit, or that bloke in the cross”!
I ordered my first FPGA : Analog Duo
Enjoy!
They are nice, aren't they. Those Mister FPGA's! I've had one for a couple of months now, and I really like it. It has the lowest input lag from a controller I've seen so far (C64 and Amiga cores) and the timing in the games seem perfect. Unfortunately, I'm one of those freaks that really notices the perhaps one frame delay from my Atari style joystick as I haven't seen zero delay versions of the software (SNAC). The Sega Master and Mega Drive however do have SNAC support and I noticed no delay whats however. Even with the real thing side-by-side on the same display! Same for Neo Geo. Then again, I also have a real C128D and Amiga 600 set up for the hard core stuff anyway 😅 Enjoy!!
I myself never managed to get the Amstrad working for some reason. And Neo Geo is pretty hard too. Oh, and the PC doesn't work. All the rest seems to be running fine.
It is cool to see a running Atari Falcon/030 again as I sold mine a couple of years ago. And it looks great!
The Ironclad Mini-ITX board is a must if you get into the MiSTer project.
I wanted a Mister and was going to get one. Then i did my back in and became unemployed, hoping one day to get my hands on one
Have a wonderful Christmas.. loved the poem, and welcome to the world of MiSTer.. will there be more MiSTer content?
Thanks! And yes, more to come :)
Love the look of that and merry Christmas
The poem was brilliant! Merry christmas!
I thought you'd moved onto GadgetUK's carpet there for a moment! Great vid.
Nice description of FPGA vs emulation. But isn't FPGA accuracy not only just as good as the reverse engineering of the original hardware? E.g. is the C64's SID indeed replicated 100% in the FPGA? And the VIC-II as well?
Accuracy varies from core to core. Most cores are made with accuracy in mind, but some aren't. One such example is the ao486 core: it doesn't try to be a cycle-accurate implementation of any particular 486SX based PC. One of the nice things about the MiSTer project is that the cores are open source and often improvements made for one core that uses the same chips, even for different FPGA platforms, get ported over between cores. Some of the core devs are professional engineers with backgrounds in circuit design and reverse engineering of legacy hardware. There also seems to be some overlap and collaboration between MiSTer devs, MAME devs, collectors & restorers. Also, quite a few people in the community that aren't devs themselves support core devs through patreon, loaning / donating hardware they want to see implemented in MiSTer, sharing documentation, reporting bugs they find and so on.
I loved the poem, and the way in which you incorporated your sponsor. Great job! As for the MiSter, I regret procrastinating when it was first introduced, and now the DE10-Nano price has gone through the roof, putting it out of reach for me. I was hoping that with the end of the chip shortage would come a return to affordable pricing, but it was not to be. I’ll just have to be “Sam”, with his Raspberry Pi! Merry Christmas to you and your family.
same here. thought about it about 4 years ago but decided to wait and see if a more 'bespoke' solution appeared (it was just a jumble of parts), but apart from the MARS and RMC's board there's not much, and the de10 is incredibly hard to get still (and far more expensive than it was). bit gutted really.
If it's possible, can you do a video on how you can use external storage with the Mister?
Absolutely classic!!
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Merry Shackmas, the poem was fun. I still wonder if I should grab a MiSTer, rather than spending money on other systems.
It really depends on what you're into. If you like to test out a few hard to get systems, the MiSTer can become a huge money saver, as some stuff it supports is nearly impossible to get and/or ridiculously expensive, like the Neo Geo AES and Sharp X6800, and that's not even mentioning arcade stuff... some boards are essentially unobtainable.
Merry Xmas bud :)
I don’t know why I can’t seem to get Retroarch working. The PiMiga seems to work really well, especially on a Pi-400. I have Retroarch on a few platforms (PS3, Windows, Android) and it can’t even emulate a C64. I guess it can play certain games, but you can’t run it as a Vice computer. Can’t even run SNES titles. The configuration setup is utterly bizarre. Seems like a colossal waste of time. I’m hopeful the MiSTer isn’t as flaky but from this video it sounds like it is, or at least, certain cores are.
The MiSTer cores are among the most complete and accurate in existence, that really shouldn't be a worry.
You can do something about Atari 2600/7800, ZX Spectrum, C64 and MAME.
Maybe I missed it, but how much does this exact setup cost?
I never seen this exact setup before, but I've seen very similar ones at around 450 USD + shipping and taxes with no case and 540 to 600 USD with nice aluminum cases. There are some cheaper cases out there made of laser cut wood or acrylic as well and some cheaper not so nice aluminum ones as well. And if you have access to a 3D printer, there are some really nice models for free on thingiverse, printables and so on that shouldn't cost too much to print and look way better than most cheap cases.
Huzzah!
The wifi dongle renders the RTC board pointless, as the clock is set from the internet on boot.
…unless you carry the MiSTer with you to places with no wifi.
@@tomerikgundersen8574 Yeah, because people do that...
@@ZaPpaul yeah, I do that 🤡
some times i up date been 7 months lol
Great poem and video but i just dont get what the fuzz with the MisTer project that needs 7 cookie pcb's just to play retro games. There are many more FPGA options in 1 single board more than enough to play retro games and a lot cheaper than the Frankenstein MisTer that looks like a brick from Keops. Just sayin… other than that wonderful editing and informative as usual.
You can come a long way with just the de-10, a ram module and a otg hub. You don’t need any other boards.
A couple of corrections/clarifcations. You do NOT need the hub or the IO board. The DE-10 Nano will work fine without them. Also. the 'cores' are programs, of a sort, and are only as good as the programmer that created them. Just because a core runs on an FPGA doesn't necessarily make it better, or more accurate, than a software emulator running on a discrete CPU. It's a subtle but important distinction as many seem to think that just because it's an FPGA, it's precisely like the original. That isn't close to being accurate. And perhaps it's a nitpick but FPGAs don't replicate the PCBs.
There's a lot of inaccurate information out there. It's a shame to see someone with a platform spreading it rather than dispelling it.
For example, the NES and genesis/megadrive core works even without a ram module and just the DE10 nano only.
It's just another approach to emulation, if it's authenticity your into, this should do nothing for you.