The theology of Ashari's pertaining to Allah's Attributes is so difficult to understand. The Athari approach makes sense with the added comfort that this was the methodology of the earliest generations.
Yes but it introduces a load of philosophical problems for muslims and nonmuslims because it is based on begging the question, it gives no real answer that anyone would think it makes sense.
@@SpazGunn what issue is there it seens aligned with fitra, intellect and text and no false commitments to false random arguments like hudooth al ajsaam when Allah and the Prophets never used such to validly prove their claims to the kaafirs
The problem with saying that Imam Abu Haneefah or Hasan al basri or other early scholars "made mistakes" is that you ignore that they knew Sahabah and Tabeen and they weren't criticized from them like some scholars criticize them today. The books of hadith are the most authentic source after the Quran. They are not however, the only source, and they are definitely not specific sources specialized in teachings fiqh or other specific branches of islamic sciences, like Aqeedah. These Imams were specialized in teaching these things. Maturidi and Ashari Aqeedah came about as a response to the teachings of Mu'tazilah. None of these scholars was perfect, but neither are you nor any other scholar. For me personally the teachings of Imam Abu Haneefah, who saw Sahabah with his own eyes and learned from them, are an authentic source of fiqh and are not to be thrown away as bi'dah or sin. Same goes for Aqeedah and teachings of Abu Mansoor al Maturidi, or the Ashari. I also don't judge the salafis as deviant because their teachings obviously brought them closer to Allah and they pray and give Zakah, believe in the Shart-ul-Eeman and Shart-ul-Islam. Questions like "where is Allah" are not pillars of Iman/islam, and examples of people punished by Allah are mostly for denying pillars of Iman/islam, like the Oneness of God, the day of Judgement, the Prophets (pbut), or completely refusing to pray, give charity etc. May Allah accept all our good deeds and unite us and may our differences only be the differences in rank in Jannah with which Allah will reward us.
The problem with the education system today is do a 4 year course in madina or um al Qura and then go out and propagate and challenge schools of thought that go back hundreds of years. It's amazing how you actually claim to have a Sanad/Silsila. May Allah protect us from these people
I agree we all need to steep ourselves in knowledge and ground ourselves. However, how many schools of thought in creed did the Companions have? ! You are correct. One and it is the way of the Salaf, Ahl Athar, AHL Hadeeth, Ahl Sunnah not the sectarianism of the Asharis and people of Kalaam. May Allah aid us all.
@@KhalidGreen interesting you say that yet most of the text that the " Atharis and Ahlu Hadith " use are written by Ahlu Kalam. Lest you forget the likes nawawi al Subki ibn Hajr and the list goes on. Brother respect to you as you seem like a genuine person and you are free to believe what you will but let's be honest in our assessments and not make it out to be as though the Asharis didn't not leave a major footprint in this sacred knowledge
Also brother, knowledge developed as you well know in the time of the salaf and we had dozens of madhab until ultimately we were left with the 4 and they never had an issue in regards to aqeedah the division came hundreds of years later hence what we have today Ahlu hadith salafi athari or which ever label you choose. I hope Allah guides you and I.
This is dishonesty Akhi. Fear Allah. Asharis in fact don’t use just their intellect....they use the Quran and Hadith to leave zero room for any anthropomorphic interpretation of Allah ﷻ. This is why I stay away from modern salafees. They have very limited understanding of the deen.
Bring forth your proof, if you are telling the truth. They are calling to Tawid and Sunnah. You are ignorant of Tawhid, Sunnah and the unified believes of the four great imaams. Certainly they are the real Ahlu Sunnah since they are the only one that follow the quran and Sunnah in way the companions did. Also, the furthest away from Bidah, shirk and misguidance of the Sufi, Tabliqi, ikhwanis, Asharis, Matarudi, khawarij, shaia and others. They are the safe SECT as per quran and Sunnah.
16:26 This could be the solution to a lot of problems. If Scholars spent as much time praising each other as they do refuting, people would be able to see some balance and take the good and leave the bad. If we can call part scholars great in spite of differences, why can't we call today's scholars great? One reason. Arrogance. Thank you Shaykh Khalid. Maybe you can start a series where you mention the Khayr that can be taken from other scholars. شكرا يا شيخ يمكن هذا الحل. يجب على العلماءِ الثناءَ على بعضِهم البعض
Maa man aaakkeee..... You need to listen to Yasir Qadhi’s video on this topic. It seems like you have no clue about this topic. Don’t risk your Aakhira over this ego battle with other Muslims on Haq.
How did the asharis become so vast in number? Were one of the 4 imams asharis or maturidis? If they weren’t, then why does the Ummah still consist on following Aqeedahs that weren’t practiced by the early generations of the Muslims?
they spread after closing of the salaf, as it was them who beat the crusades in major part. thats how their bida spread but it doesn't change they are post salf and earlier Asharis were closer tot eh sunnah and despite this imam Ashari repented to Athari!
Follow the Sanads/transmissions of teachers. See what leads where, History is essetial when contextualising works of the Imams of the past. Knowing what was going on in the world is essential, it explains how the Madhabs were codified for example and came about. I doubt this speaker has a chain of transmission going back to the Beloved of Allah. When the creed of the Asharis and Maturidis were codified, the subsequent scholars post that time usually classed themselves with either of these schools of creed..along with their school of thought (fiqh).
May Allah reward you for your input. Why not follow the Qur'an & Sunnah and what the Salaf were upon in creed, fiqh, & manners instead of the way of ideologues like Imam Abu Hassan or Abu Mansoor as you alledge. They contradicted the understanding in important issues as revealed to the Prophet (may peace be upon him). Why not adhere to the understanding of those who preceded them who codified the Sunnah? If you are concerned with teachers who return to our Habeeb (peace be upon him) then why would you trace your understanding & approach to latter day Imams who interpreted differently than the Sahabah (may Allah be pleased with them)? That is not logical nor is it honest scholarship and it contradicts the Mathab of Ahl Sunnah. May Allah guide us all to the truth and make us firm.
@@KhalidGreen: There was an instant in the video where you said “ A lot of the Somali women”. Why do you feel it’s necessary to mention that they are Somali? If you got to Minuit 7.54 of the video, you’ll hear it.
Today we call sunnis a sufi, and wahabisam is new sect that claim to be sunni but what can we do with books of history that shows every on is sufi before wahabiyah
We ask that Allah guides us all to the truth so was the Prophet (peace be upon him) Sufi? How about the Sahabah? Was that their ideological or methodological approach to understanding Islam? If not, why would we choose a methodology other than Ahl Hadeeth, who worshipped Allah with sincerity and adhered to what the Sahabah practiced, followed and exalted the Sunnah?
There were "sufis" In the earliest generations, most notibally Hasan-al-basri. Tasawwuf is just a study of spiritualism in islam. And if the earliest scholars and generations didn't not condemn it as much as some scholars condemn it today, why should I?
Assalamu alaykum brother with all due to respect you are not qualified to say who is Ahl sunna and who isn't especially when referring to Muslim groups who follow the fundamentals and foundations of the religion whether they are Ashari or maturidi, ikhwani etc. They all agree on tawheed in it's asl. They are all ahl sunna and Allah will judge them. If they are not then that means the likes of ibn hajar, nawawi, bayhaqi, haytami, juwayni and many hundreds are also not ahl sunna you can't have it both ways. When you point the finger at others you have to look at yourself the term 'salafi' does not exist in classical texts it is a new term and according to some a new sect. Sheikh Al Uthaymeen rh warned against using this term. In classical texts when ahl sunna is mentioned it refers to the followers of the 4 schools since all the classical scholars followed 1 of the 4 madhabs unlike the modern day salafiyyah. So in summary all the group's that hold to the foundations of the religion in speech, belief and action are all ahl sunna. And Allah knows best.
Walaikum Salaam. May Allah reward you for your zeal and love for His deen. I think we both can agree if we both took transport going east from our residence for 3 miles we would not arrive at the same place regardless of our intent. Similarly, groups that oppose the clear Divine texts of the Book & Sunna are not going in the same direction (salvation). There are numerous hadeeth which illustrate this such as the hadeeth of افتراق I have countless videos dealing in depth about this issue of guidance and misguidance and sectarianism. Many if not all the scholars you mentioned have written extensively about the fact we will divide and every group is not correct and only one is saved (generally) from the fire. May Allah bless you to learn your religion and leave off your opinions that have no basis in the Book, Sunnah, or understanding of the Sahabah. If you are a learned person then you should learn more. If you are not then you should keep silent and learn more. May Allah bless us all with good.
@@KhalidGreen wa alaykum salaam brother thank you for your response. We should all unite under the banner of tawheed. Unity of the ummah is so important this why I don't like to refute and point figures. I myself come from deobandi roots but I am athari in creed and hanafi in fiqh.All the group's have goodness and Ahl sunna is the saved sect which ever groups fall in to this we should give them the benefit of the doubt. Differeces in secondary matters will always exist as one sheikh said to me the deeper you go the more ikhtilaf you will find. Sheikh ul Islam ibn taymiyyah mentioned that some who ascribe to the correct beliefs will reach jannah after those who had deficiencies in aqeedah because their amaal as salih were few and the one who had deficiencies feared Allah more and had much amaal of tahajjud , zikr, Quran recitation, nawafil, sadaqa etc etc. We must make shukr to Allah swt for guiding us and to keep us steadfast upon the haqq.
Anyone or any Muslim group that opposes the evidence, principles, Aqeedah of Ahlus Sunnah are not from the specific sense of the Ahlus Sunnah. Asharis and others they oppose the text... As for the Salafi name, it has its root, Rasool sallal lahu alaihi wa sallam used it, and the Ulamah. Ibn Uthaymeen warded against using it as a group, cult mentally... But to identify one self as a Salafi, Ahlul Hadeeth, Ahlul Athar, etc, these are legislated names
@@khanatouch Br did you listen to Shaykh? Ahlus Sunnah has a general sense and a specific sense. General sense means you are not from the Shia. Specific sense means one who strictly follow the Aqeedah of Rasool sallal lahu alaihi wa sallam and his Sahabah radhi Allahu anhum. So those Muslims groups who have opposed the creed of the Sahabah than they are Muslims, from the General Ahlus Sunnah, but are from Ahlul Bidah
May Allah guide and enlighten you, you have a Salafi understanding of our Deen which is Sectarian and crooked. Go study with a real Sunni cheikh with isnad and ijaza and I swear that you will leave this sectarian misguidance and rejoin the majority of the Muslims.
The theology of Ashari's pertaining to Allah's Attributes is so difficult to understand. The Athari approach makes sense with the added comfort that this was the methodology of the earliest generations.
Yes but it introduces a load of philosophical problems for muslims and nonmuslims because it is based on begging the question, it gives no real answer that anyone would think it makes sense.
@@SpazGunn what issue is there it seens aligned with fitra, intellect and text and no false commitments to false random arguments like hudooth al ajsaam when Allah and the Prophets never used such to validly prove their claims to the kaafirs
Mashallah my Brother! You have explained it so well!! May Allah aza wajjal continue to bless you with the ability to clarify! Ameen!!
The problem with saying that Imam Abu Haneefah or Hasan al basri or other early scholars "made mistakes" is that you ignore that they knew Sahabah and Tabeen and they weren't criticized from them like some scholars criticize them today. The books of hadith are the most authentic source after the Quran. They are not however, the only source, and they are definitely not specific sources specialized in teachings fiqh or other specific branches of islamic sciences, like Aqeedah. These Imams were specialized in teaching these things. Maturidi and Ashari Aqeedah came about as a response to the teachings of Mu'tazilah. None of these scholars was perfect, but neither are you nor any other scholar. For me personally the teachings of Imam Abu Haneefah, who saw Sahabah with his own eyes and learned from them, are an authentic source of fiqh and are not to be thrown away as bi'dah or sin. Same goes for Aqeedah and teachings of Abu Mansoor al Maturidi, or the Ashari. I also don't judge the salafis as deviant because their teachings obviously brought them closer to Allah and they pray and give Zakah, believe in the Shart-ul-Eeman and Shart-ul-Islam. Questions like "where is Allah" are not pillars of Iman/islam, and examples of people punished by Allah are mostly for denying pillars of Iman/islam, like the Oneness of God, the day of Judgement, the Prophets (pbut), or completely refusing to pray, give charity etc.
May Allah accept all our good deeds and unite us and may our differences only be the differences in rank in Jannah with which Allah will reward us.
Great words brother.
Well done brother
very deceiving to reject Ashaari and Maturidi as ahlus sunnah but accept them as sunnis.
Not really if you listen, contemplate and comprehend what was said & not worth repeating. May Allah help us all.
Alhamdulillah I found this channel, it’s so informative. Do you have a Twitter as well ya akhi?
Yahaafaazak'Allah brother for the teaching. Salam ya sheikh.
The problem with the education system today is do a 4 year course in madina or um al Qura and then go out and propagate and challenge schools of thought that go back hundreds of years. It's amazing how you actually claim to have a Sanad/Silsila. May Allah protect us from these people
I agree we all need to steep ourselves in knowledge and ground ourselves. However, how many schools of thought in creed did the Companions have? ! You are correct. One and it is the way of the Salaf, Ahl Athar, AHL Hadeeth, Ahl Sunnah not the sectarianism of the Asharis and people of Kalaam. May Allah aid us all.
@@KhalidGreen interesting you say that yet most of the text that the " Atharis and Ahlu Hadith " use are written by Ahlu Kalam. Lest you forget the likes nawawi al Subki ibn Hajr and the list goes on. Brother respect to you as you seem like a genuine person and you are free to believe what you will but let's be honest in our assessments and not make it out to be as though the Asharis didn't not leave a major footprint in this sacred knowledge
Also brother, knowledge developed as you well know in the time of the salaf and we had dozens of madhab until ultimately we were left with the 4 and they never had an issue in regards to aqeedah the division came hundreds of years later hence what we have today Ahlu hadith salafi athari or which ever label you choose. I hope Allah guides you and I.
very subjective... first and last video heard from you
Yes, very last last time I as a Muslim hear from you. Thanls
Jazak Allah khair. Very clear and beneficial
This is dishonesty Akhi. Fear Allah.
Asharis in fact don’t use just their intellect....they use the Quran and Hadith to leave zero room for any anthropomorphic interpretation of Allah ﷻ.
This is why I stay away from modern salafees. They have very limited understanding of the deen.
Correct brother
Agreed 💯
So those that deny and change the words of the quran are the guided ones?
Ashari and maturidi deny Allahs names and attributes its clear cut
100%
@@iimiboy any evidence??
Salafis and Wahhabis are not from Ahlul al-Sunnah. They are ahlul al-Bid'ah.
Well said 💪🏻
absolutely
@Aussie Muzzy you blindly follow the Quran without understanding it
and you worship yourselves, your minds.
Bring forth your proof, if you are telling the truth. They are calling to Tawid and Sunnah. You are ignorant of Tawhid, Sunnah and the unified believes of the four great imaams. Certainly they are the real Ahlu Sunnah since they are the only one that follow the quran and Sunnah in way the companions did. Also, the furthest away from Bidah, shirk and misguidance of the Sufi, Tabliqi, ikhwanis, Asharis, Matarudi, khawarij, shaia and others. They are the safe SECT as per quran and Sunnah.
Alhamdulillah
Jazak Allahu Khayran
Barakallahu Feekum
Bro Asharia and Maturidiyyah are the Soul of Ahlu Sunnah.
Look what Imam Tahawi explain about Aqeedah.
Two souls?
JazakAllah khayran
16:26 This could be the solution to a lot of problems. If Scholars spent as much time praising each other as they do refuting, people would be able to see some balance and take the good and leave the bad. If we can call part scholars great in spite of differences, why can't we call today's scholars great? One reason. Arrogance. Thank you Shaykh Khalid. Maybe you can start a series where you mention the Khayr that can be taken from other scholars. شكرا يا شيخ
يمكن هذا الحل. يجب على العلماءِ الثناءَ على بعضِهم البعض
Brother why do you have to say anything incorrect from yourself or shaytaan in the end of the video .
I do not have to. It is just from the manners of the scholars to attribute the truth and all good to Allah and mistakes to oneself and the Shaitan
Maa man aaakkeee.....
You need to listen to Yasir Qadhi’s video on this topic. It seems like you have no clue about this topic. Don’t risk your Aakhira over this ego battle with other Muslims on Haq.
You're risking your akhirah by listening to him
@@mewzi 🤣 so true.
I’ve watched some scholars that specialize on this topic. They said Motrudis and Asharis are Muslims but they are not from Akhl ul Sunnah.
How did the asharis become so vast in number? Were one of the 4 imams asharis or maturidis? If they weren’t, then why does the Ummah still consist on following Aqeedahs that weren’t practiced by the early generations of the Muslims?
Most people like to follow their desires and deviate
they spread after closing of the salaf, as it was them who beat the crusades in major part. thats how their bida spread but it doesn't change they are post salf and earlier Asharis were closer tot eh sunnah and despite this imam Ashari repented to Athari!
Good question 🖒
Follow the Sanads/transmissions of teachers.
See what leads where, History is essetial when contextualising works of the Imams of the past. Knowing what was going on in the world is essential, it explains how the Madhabs were codified for example and came about.
I doubt this speaker has a chain of transmission going back to the Beloved of Allah.
When the creed of the Asharis and Maturidis were codified, the subsequent scholars post that time usually classed themselves with either of these schools of creed..along with their school of thought (fiqh).
May Allah reward you for your input. Why not follow the Qur'an & Sunnah and what the Salaf were upon in creed, fiqh, & manners instead of the way of ideologues like Imam Abu Hassan or Abu Mansoor as you alledge. They contradicted the understanding in important issues as revealed to the Prophet (may peace be upon him). Why not adhere to the understanding of those who preceded them who codified the Sunnah? If you are concerned with teachers who return to our Habeeb (peace be upon him) then why would you trace your understanding & approach to latter day Imams who interpreted differently than the Sahabah (may Allah be pleased with them)? That is not logical nor is it honest scholarship and it contradicts the Mathab of Ahl Sunnah. May Allah guide us all to the truth and make us firm.
What is that big orange book in the back on right
It says AbdurRahmaan ibn Nasir...
This is academically so invalid, it truly hurts my ears.
7:54 why do you have mention Somali in bad manner
May Allah forgive us and you. Honestly I have no idea what you are talking about. Maybe you need to work on comprehension skills.
@@KhalidGreen: There was an instant in the video where you said “ A lot of the Somali women”. Why do you feel it’s necessary to mention that they are Somali? If you got to Minuit 7.54 of the video, you’ll hear it.
He was talking about that one Somali woman who apostated
@@mahamed4744 why not it's an example
@@AK-sz3xo oh yeah that's right
*_Those who follows the Salaf AsSaleh will call themselves Muslims_*
من أين أنت ياشيخ؟؟
Thankyou brother
Today we call sunnis a sufi, and wahabisam is new sect that claim to be sunni but what can we do with books of history that shows every on is sufi before wahabiyah
We ask that Allah guides us all to the truth so was the Prophet (peace be upon him) Sufi? How about the Sahabah? Was that their ideological or methodological approach to understanding Islam? If not, why would we choose a methodology other than Ahl Hadeeth, who worshipped Allah with sincerity and adhered to what the Sahabah practiced, followed and exalted the Sunnah?
There were "sufis" In the earliest generations, most notibally Hasan-al-basri. Tasawwuf is just a study of spiritualism in islam. And if the earliest scholars and generations didn't not condemn it as much as some scholars condemn it today, why should I?
And Allah knows best.
@@panakid2nd Early people from suffiyah didnt make tasawwuf...
@@fatezero1919 Do you even know what tassawuf is?
What a joke sheik
I think you are not from ahlus sunnah😂
The ppl whom you don't regard to be from ahlus sunnah are from ahlus sunnah
your bringing these gay, apostate groups, etc., and trying to link them with Ash’aris ……? i hope not
Assalamu alaykum brother with all due to respect you are not qualified to say who is Ahl sunna and who isn't especially when referring to Muslim groups who follow the fundamentals and foundations of the religion whether they are Ashari or maturidi, ikhwani etc. They all agree on tawheed in it's asl. They are all ahl sunna and Allah will judge them. If they are not then that means the likes of ibn hajar, nawawi, bayhaqi, haytami, juwayni and many hundreds are also not ahl sunna you can't have it both ways. When you point the finger at others you have to look at yourself the term 'salafi' does not exist in classical texts it is a new term and according to some a new sect. Sheikh Al Uthaymeen rh warned against using this term. In classical texts when ahl sunna is mentioned it refers to the followers of the 4 schools since all the classical scholars followed 1 of the 4 madhabs unlike the modern day salafiyyah. So in summary all the group's that hold to the foundations of the religion in speech, belief and action are all ahl sunna. And Allah knows best.
Walaikum Salaam.
May Allah reward you for your zeal and love for His deen. I think we both can agree if we both took transport going east from our residence for 3 miles we would not arrive at the same place regardless of our intent. Similarly, groups that oppose the clear Divine texts of the Book & Sunna are not going in the same direction (salvation). There are numerous hadeeth which illustrate this such as the hadeeth of افتراق I have countless videos dealing in depth about this issue of guidance and misguidance and sectarianism. Many if not all the scholars you mentioned have written extensively about the fact we will divide and every group is not correct and only one is saved (generally) from the fire. May Allah bless you to learn your religion and leave off your opinions that have no basis in the Book, Sunnah, or understanding of the Sahabah. If you are a learned person then you should learn more. If you are not then you should keep silent and learn more. May Allah bless us all with good.
@@KhalidGreen wa alaykum salaam brother thank you for your response. We should all unite under the banner of tawheed. Unity of the ummah is so important this why I don't like to refute and point figures. I myself come from deobandi roots but I am athari in creed and hanafi in fiqh.All the group's have goodness and Ahl sunna is the saved sect which ever groups fall in to this we should give them the benefit of the doubt. Differeces in secondary matters will always exist as one sheikh said to me the deeper you go the more ikhtilaf you will find. Sheikh ul Islam ibn taymiyyah mentioned that some who ascribe to the correct beliefs will reach jannah after those who had deficiencies in aqeedah because their amaal as salih were few and the one who had deficiencies feared Allah more and had much amaal of tahajjud , zikr, Quran recitation, nawafil, sadaqa etc etc. We must make shukr to Allah swt for guiding us and to keep us steadfast upon the haqq.
Anyone or any Muslim group that opposes the evidence, principles, Aqeedah of Ahlus Sunnah are not from the specific sense of the Ahlus Sunnah. Asharis and others they oppose the text... As for the Salafi name, it has its root, Rasool sallal lahu alaihi wa sallam used it, and the Ulamah. Ibn Uthaymeen warded against using it as a group, cult mentally... But to identify one self as a Salafi, Ahlul Hadeeth, Ahlul Athar, etc, these are legislated names
@@khanatouch Br did you listen to Shaykh? Ahlus Sunnah has a general sense and a specific sense. General sense means you are not from the Shia. Specific sense means one who strictly follow the Aqeedah of Rasool sallal lahu alaihi wa sallam and his Sahabah radhi Allahu anhum. So those Muslims groups who have opposed the creed of the Sahabah than they are Muslims, from the General Ahlus Sunnah, but are from Ahlul Bidah
Literal
Bro you need help
Even salafi are not from alhu sunnah according to you lot of there disagree with Abu khajeeda
May Allah guide and enlighten you, you have a Salafi understanding of our Deen which is Sectarian and crooked. Go study with a real Sunni cheikh with isnad and ijaza and I swear that you will leave this sectarian misguidance and rejoin the majority of the Muslims.
Ashari and Bob Marley? What are you even talking about?
Bob Marley was not Ashari he was a Rasta
@@KhalidGreen I know, But what this guy is talking about?